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Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Peel and poor guests.

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Speaker 1: I'm more on that coming up, by the way, including

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Speaker 1: one that will be returning to Pitt Road during the

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Speaker 1: IndyCar season when that happens. But Brad Rowland is with

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Speaker 1: locked on Hawks, covering the Atlanta Hawks who are going

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Speaker 1: to be here tomorrow night and joins us on the program. Brad,

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Speaker 1: how are you the We'll appreciate.

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Speaker 2: You have me.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to I appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to this because before we discuss

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Speaker 1: one of the key parts of Atlanta that I think

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Speaker 1: is a really good player. It always takes two to tango, Brad,

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Speaker 1: as you know when you start talking about trade deadline

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Speaker 1: and things like that.

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Speaker 3: But where are the Hawks right now?

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Speaker 1: We obviously know that they showed a lot of promise

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Speaker 1: with Trey Young at one point then clearly decided to

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Speaker 1: go in a different direction from that. Is this a

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Speaker 1: team that is in tweak mode or complete rebuild mode?

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Speaker 4: I would definitely say tweak mode. Part of that is

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Speaker 4: that they don't they haven't had their own draft pick

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Speaker 4: because they've one of the trades team made during the

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Speaker 4: Trey Young era, going get de Jontay Murray and Meal

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Speaker 4: and the deal that that backsire on them pretty badly.

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Speaker 4: But they're also very young. I mean, one of the

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Speaker 4: party lines around here is that they always want to

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Speaker 4: tell you that they are the third youngest team in

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Speaker 4: the NBA. And they also really value their flexibility and

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Speaker 4: a buzzword here is optionality as well, like they have

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Speaker 4: very clean books in the future. For example, they have

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Speaker 4: this awesome draft that coming from Milwaukee and New Orleans

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Speaker 4: this year, et cetera. So they're not actively like tearing

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Speaker 4: down at this point, but they're also not pushing their

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Speaker 4: chips in. They're kind of like, we want to be

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Speaker 4: competitive right now, but really the future is a bigger

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Speaker 4: priority than the president for the Dogs.

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Speaker 1: The one of those pieces, okay, is you know a

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Speaker 1: kong Wu is a guy that was a lottery pick

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Speaker 1: sometimes that feels like forever. But he's a very good player,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's become more even offensively. Initially I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a really good rebounder and a situational rebounder,

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Speaker 1: but his game has developed now more well rounded and

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Speaker 1: is INDIEA is looking for their next Miles Turner, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, and by that I mean a guy that

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Speaker 1: fills that role. He is a name that has been linked,

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Speaker 1: but is he a name that Atlanta would be willing

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Speaker 4: I think the Hawks would be willing to listen on

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Speaker 4: an onkong Wu for sure, Like he's not on the

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Speaker 4: kind of top tier of relatively untouchable assets on this roster.

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Speaker 4: At the same time they had this model around him,

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Speaker 4: that kind of, I would say, informs any speculation about

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Speaker 4: trading him, Like he's on this a really good contract.

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Speaker 4: He's only he's signed for two more years after this

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Speaker 4: one at a very modest price, about sixteen and half

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Speaker 4: I think that they know that allows him a lot

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Speaker 4: the route of maybe having two. But I think that

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Speaker 4: they basically with the essestion of Jail and John and

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Speaker 5: Kind of open listen on anybody.

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Speaker 4: So the answer is kind of in the middle of

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Speaker 4: may they would listen for sure, they're not eager to

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Speaker 1: Them the pieces that Atlanta would want, Let's get to

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Speaker 1: that if they were to move on from because I

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Speaker 1: let's just say hypothetically, Brad, that Indiana and Atlanta began

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Speaker 1: Pritchard saying, Okay, you need what pieces or you're looking

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Speaker 1: for what kind of a player?

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Speaker 3: Tell me what that player looks like.

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Speaker 4: It's really interesting because of a particular with Indiana, like

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Speaker 4: if you turn if you trade Congo, you turn around,

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Speaker 4: the summer might might be more more likely, just because

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Speaker 4: they have more flexibility. But I think at a vacuum,

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Speaker 4: you're you're talking about cost controlled young players player or

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Speaker 4: the Congo, I would imagine would make them worse in

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Speaker 4: the short term. And the Hawks aren't necessarily trying to

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Speaker 4: active consideration to know that you're getting worse than any trade,

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Speaker 3: Do you think Ben Matheren would be aventures to Atlanta?

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Speaker 4: I don't know for sure on this front office is

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Speaker 4: Like you know, they kind of use some more offensive

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Speaker 4: Like he's not signed beyond the season, so it's like,

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Speaker 4: You have to actively really like him to want him

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Speaker 4: timeline that he's on and the offense. I just don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have to assume, would you not, Brad

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Speaker 1: Brad Rollins my guest from Locked on Hawks, he's on

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Speaker 1: have to assume that if the Pacers move on from

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Speaker 1: right because anybody getting him or acquiring him, if it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I would imagine certainly, if you're trading

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that you have to, you know, give them.

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Speaker 4: The max if somebody else goes crazy this summer and

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Speaker 4: I think that if any team what it's all for

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Speaker 4: we're ready to pay this guy a market rate this summer,

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Speaker 4: because otherwise I don't know why you would.

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Speaker 5: Be doing it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I ask this question a lot, Brad, And

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Speaker 1: I know that your job is to cover the Hawks, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're focused on the Hawks, and so therefore you

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Speaker 1: know there's thirty plus other teams in the NBA, and

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Speaker 3: But that's the extent of it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm always curious of this, the out of market

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Speaker 3: Do you see the Pacers right now?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that the league would see it as Look,

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Speaker 1: because a guy got hurt, but also because last year

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Speaker 4: I think the league is certainly more of the former,

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Speaker 4: where they it's totally understandable and everyone kind of understands

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Speaker 4: what's going on in Indiana, like once how he goes down.

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Speaker 4: You know, Turner leaves as well. That's secondary to Halliburton

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Speaker 4: like this, that's still a really good nucleus of a team,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, one of the things I like to do, Brad,

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Speaker 1: One of the things that fascinates me about sports in

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Speaker 1: general is every franchise has a player that is a

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Speaker 1: might be Lance Stevenson. Lance Stevenson is like forever a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite. I don't know that anybody in Chicago. You

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess here the four most popular and

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Speaker 1: number one all time, I'm saying, Okay, number one's got

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Speaker 1: to be Dominique Wilkins. Correct, Yes, for sure, I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he still remains in a tier by

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Speaker 4: himself as far as long as you're old enough to

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Speaker 4: remember something about Dominique, he's still number one for sure.

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Speaker 3: Brad. How old a fella are you?

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm about to be forty, so I

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Speaker 4: remember the Dominique era. I'm people people younger than me don't. Maybe,

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna go with Tree Rollins.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he definitely has kind of a to your point

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Speaker 3: That's a good way saying, following right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here, here we go. Here's the rest of my four, Dominique.

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Speaker 1: I'll go with Steve Smith.

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Speaker 1: That was go ahead, Bob Pettitt. But that's more Saint Louis, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a it's funny, he's the best player

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Speaker 3: Here are my last two.

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Speaker 1: Trey Young, I'm still gonna put up there, even though

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Speaker 4: Would agree with that, even though his his star faded lay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, my last one is my curve ball. Here, John Drew.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, John Drew is a sneaky beloved here.

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Speaker 1: That's that's like the show Brad, We're sneaky beloved. That

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Speaker 1: it's the new motto for this program. Sneaky beloved is

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Speaker 4: Really good player for a long time and not a

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Speaker 3: Okay, So then lastly, who am I missing?

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Speaker 1: Anybody that I'm missing that you're like, Jake, You're moron,

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Speaker 4: for sure. He was also a journeyman, but like had

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Speaker 2: Same thing. Very dear to the same.

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Speaker 1: Miss, all right, Pacers and Hawks. It will be tomorrow

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Speaker 1: night at Gamebridge Field House.

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Speaker 3: Brad.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, and should these two at some point

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Speaker 1: hookup back in the playoffs, we will or actually if

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Speaker 1: there's a trade as well, love to have.

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Speaker 1: Brad Rowland joining us from locked on Hawks joining us now,

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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and por guestline. We'll get the Pacers

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Speaker 1: side of things. Our friend from the Indianapolis Star. It

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Speaker 1: is Dustin who joins us on the program. Dustin, I

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Speaker 1: Atlanta is a very promising young player that was a

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Speaker 1: seen his name linked as a potential trade. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a hard time knowing that one. I'm

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Speaker 2: like everything that I've seen is just like the Pacers

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Speaker 2: what would what would Atlanta want? And you know, like

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Speaker 2: what would serve their purposes? I think it's an interesting question,

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Speaker 2: Certainly, they're you know, they're on that fringe, you know

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Speaker 2: going to build around Jalen Johnson and Dice Daniels and

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Speaker 3: Uh sixteen he makes sixteen million by the way Dustin.

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Speaker 1: Unless unless you did a sign and trade, right if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they could do it, but they can't do it

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Speaker 3: Until Jim gotcha? Okay, makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do it, like they can't negotiate on

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Speaker 2: so you can't do it. You can't do a sign

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Speaker 1: Dustin this team, the Pacers themselves. Let's go back to

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Speaker 2: You know, it does seem like everybody else is kind.

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Speaker 2: around twelve. You know, I don't know if all those

436
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Speaker 2: teams get the twenty, there's probably one or two of

437
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 2: them that don't, and so you know, then twenty becomes

438
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 2: the number where it becomes a little bit of an issue.

439
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 2: But you know, like you know, they just blew a

440
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 2: huge lead against Atlanta on on Monday. I mean like

441
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 2: every time they play well, there's a tendency to look

442
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 2: like maybe this is when they get going and maybe

443
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 2: it becomes a problem, but they tend to lose games

444
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 2: after that, and especially when they play better teams. You know,

445
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 2: certain they were able to get that win against Oklahoma City.

446
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they're playing too good to worry about yet.

447
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna give you Dustin, I'm going to give

448
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,919
Speaker 3: you five names.

449
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: Here, Okay, Yeah, And of the five, I want you

450
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Speaker 1: to tell me which player we most definitively know what

451
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 1: they are, Which one is the closest to the ceiling

452
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,719
Speaker 1: of solid understanding of who and what they are as

453
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Speaker 1: a player? Okay, Tis Walker, Ben Matherin, Jay Huff, Johnny Furfey,

454
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Speaker 1: Ben Shephard.

455
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 5: Am I ranking them all in order?

456
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 1: No, just the one of those guys that you say, Okay,

457
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 1: that one we are most able to now definitively draw

458
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: a conclusion.

459
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 3: As to who and what they are.

460
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Speaker 1: Jerris Walker, Ben Matherin, Jay Huff, Johnny Furfey, Ben Shephard.

461
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Speaker 2: It's Ben Shephard by a long shot. I think I

462
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: would rank them.

463
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Speaker 6: In order.

464
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 2: Shepherd, Tough, Furfy Walker or Math and Walker. I guess

465
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 2: h Walker I think still has the most room to grow.

466
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Speaker 2: And this last couple of weeks, You're like, all right,

467
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 2: you know, I do think it certainly should change Rick

468
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: Carlile's view, and you know, I imagine has to at

469
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: least partially change the way they did. Ownership is looking

470
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: at not ownership, but management is looking at it. But

471
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: Ben Shepherd is who he is. You know, Ben Shepherd

472
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: is going to make open threes, He's gonna annoy you

473
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 2: on defense, He's going to move to basketball, you know.

474
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Rick always says like he you

475
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: know exactly what you're getting from Ben Sheperd every time

476
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: you're starting to really know what you're getting from Johnny Furphy.

477
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Every time. There's probably still a little bit more growth there.

478
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 2: You know, Huff has you know, like he's limited in

479
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 2: the ways that he's limited. He's good in the way

480
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Speaker 2: that he's good. I think he is going to be

481
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: who he's going to be. And Matherin is still Matherin,

482
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Speaker 2: and I you know, there's there's certainly a good possibility

483
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Speaker 2: he gets traded next week, and you know, like you

484
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: might find out more of who he is later. But

485
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're just seeing that. It's just

486
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, he's never going to perfectly fit in for

487
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Speaker 2: what they wanted to be.

488
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Matherin he's a player that they

489
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Speaker 1: could trade at the deadline, not because they're going to

490
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Speaker 1: parlay that in other words, conventional wisdom. Dustin Dustin appierrec's

491
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Speaker 1: my guest Indianapolis Stari is on the Java House appel

492
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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Conventional wisdom says, and I've been

493
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Speaker 1: preaching this forever, you take Matherin and you trade him

494
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Speaker 1: at the deadline for the Miles Turner report placement, and

495
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: then in the draft you draft the Benedict Matheren replacement.

496
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Speaker 3: Okay, right now, Yes, if.

497
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: The Miles Turner replacement is not there, is there the

498
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Speaker 1: chance that they would move Matherin just to clear the

499
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Speaker 1: space in the minutes for somebody that they're going to

500
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Speaker 1: draft at the wing position, and then later they will

501
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Speaker 1: figure out and just with the cap space what to

502
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Speaker 1: do in terms of getting somebody to get Turner. In

503
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Speaker 1: other words, could they move Matherin just to move him

504
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Speaker 1: or is it going to be only if they can

505
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Speaker 1: get a valuable piece immediately?

506
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Speaker 2: I mean they have to get something back. I think

507
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: that's the purpose, is that you don't want to move

508
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: that asset and get nothing back. So I mean, like,

509
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they will, like, I don't think you'll

510
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: see them trade him for another guy who's on an

511
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: inspiring contract who they don't think is very good. You know, like,

512
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be one of those

513
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: situations where it's like, Okay, just get this guy off

514
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: my team. You know, they are to shoot for a center.

515
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: They are going to try to parlay that into a

516
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: five man. But if for whatever reason, one is just

517
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: not in the market and they believe that, you know,

518
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: there's a better they have another path. The other The

519
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: other thing is I think like you probably have to

520
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Speaker 2: take what's you might have to take what's out there

521
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: the five in terms of what you can get for him,

522
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: because it's just like, I don't know when something else

523
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: shakes loose, you know, I feel like you've just got

524
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 2: to have somebody in there pretty soon that you can trust.

525
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Speaker 2: But you absolutely can draft, Like I think they have

526
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Speaker 2: to look at it and say, okay, well you can

527
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Speaker 2: draft his replacement, because that's what it looks like that

528
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: there is. You know, if you end up with Boozer,

529
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But if you know, like if

530
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: you get Peterson or de Bonsa, then he absolutely is

531
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: the replacement for those minutes and he has opportunity to

532
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: play him that those that guy will have an opportunity

533
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: to play himself, and the more has more chance to grow.

534
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: You know, you have more. You know, his clock takes

535
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: longer terms of when you have to make a salary decision,

536
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: uh later on. But yeah, I mean I think yeah,

537
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: Like I think you want to you know, clear the money,

538
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: clear the minute, clear the opportunity. But I think you

539
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: also do want to get something back for it. Like

540
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: I think they would feel like they messed up if

541
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: they had the number six pick in the draft. Think

542
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: he was the fourth leading scorer in the class and

543
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: you don't get much of anything out of him. I

544
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: think they want to make sure they get an asset.

545
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Do you think, by the way, who is the best

546
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: player in the draft? I have my own thought, But

547
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: who do you think it is?

548
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: I think Peterson and maybe I mean, like I'll view

549
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: that two different ways. I mean, like Boozer is probably

550
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: going to be the one that will get all the awards,

551
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: and he deserves it because Peterson's barely played, you know,

552
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: I think Boozer is certainly the best, the most impactful

553
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: college player. I think Peterson probably is the most game

554
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: like presuming he's healthy, walks in and can do exactly

555
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: what you need and can do. I think, I mean,

556
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: I think he just perfectly fits the Pacers. I think

557
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: like he has been the quick shooting wing that I've

558
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: been looking for, and so I think he's I think

559
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: Peterson's the best overall talent. De Bonsa might have the

560
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: most upside. Boozer is the best college player, and he's

561
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: the guy that I am most certain that he's going

562
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: to be a good NBA player.

563
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: I think it's de Bonsa if I mean, Okay, there's

564
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: no right answer here, right, you know what I mean?

565
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: I just any of the Boves can be yet, and

566
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 3: I've seen more of him.

567
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but b Yu has been on

568
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: when I've been channel surfing, you know what I mean.

569
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: And Peterson, to your point, Peterson's had some I don't

570
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: know if it's necessarily totally injury issue or it's you know,

571
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: preservation issue, whatever it might be, but it seems like

572
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: he has played the least. I haven't seen a lot

573
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: of Boozer, if I'm being completely candid. But so anyway,

574
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: having said all of that, we will end with this Dustin.

575
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: How confident are you that a notable trade will take

576
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: place for the Pacers before the deadline?

577
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 5: Pretty confident?

578
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: I put it in the sixty percent range. You never

579
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: know when someone's going to come around. Like it seems

580
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: like a lot of people think Matnn's getting moved, you know,

581
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: like and you know, and I'm not saying that among

582
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: Pacers guys, I mean like national media, that kind of stuff.

583
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: What is it from an outside standpoint?

584
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: Is he coveted?

585
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean, is Mathern a guy that you think people

586
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: are are intrigued by.

587
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: Intrigued yet coveted? No covet is the question of degree,

588
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: you know. I think there are people out there that

589
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: look at it and see him as somebody who can

590
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: help you. But I don't think I don't think anybody

591
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: has looking like obviously if you were, if you were

592
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: good enough to be coveted, the Pacers would be trading him,

593
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, Like I guess he's he's played well enough

594
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: to intrigue people. I don't think he's played well enough

595
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: for anybody to be like, man, that that's the guy

596
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: who changes me completely. You know, some of that's been

597
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: injuries this year. It just just hasn't been as explosive

598
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: or be that just you know the score that he's

599
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: that you've seen him capable of being. And I think

600
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: it's just the last thing you saw kind of still

601
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: sticks with you. There are certain teams that they look

602
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: at him and say, okay, we could use that guy.

603
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: But out if there's a somebody who looks at him

604
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: and says, okay, that guy's changing my franchise, you know,

605
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: and maybe he goes back to being that player. You know,

606
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: maybe he goes someplace else and gets more an opportunity

607
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: at an offense that fits him better, and then you know,

608
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: next year he's averaging twenty five or whatever. But I

609
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of people thought, all right, with the

610
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: opportunity in the minutes he was going to get this year,

611
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: he was going to score twenty five a game, you know,

612
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: just by virtue of Okay, the opportunity is going to

613
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: be there, the shots are going to be there, you're

614
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do what you want. And he

615
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: hasn't put up the same kind of numbers, and some

616
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: of that's toe and some of that's and everything. But

617
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: I think there would be more teams looking at him

618
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: in that fashion if he came out and put up

619
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: those kind of numbers this year.

620
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Speaker 7: Dustin, Let's say they do make a trade at the

621
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 7: at the deadline, and it's not for a center. What

622
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 7: would that trade be to address another need on the roster.

623
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, then you can always use wing them, you know,

624
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: like you can always use more guys at the two, three,

625
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: and four, you know, like like that's talents you can

626
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: always have. Like it wouldn't be bad for them to

627
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: have another two guard, uh, you know, maybe a combo

628
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: type guy. Maybe somebody's two.

629
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: Three, three four.

630
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: And again if you're if you're gonna move math, and

631
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to have more depth there. You

632
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: have to have somebody that can put the ball in

633
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: the bucket, doesn't have the scord level of math and has,

634
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: but I think you'd like to have somebody in there

635
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: that can get you points, uh at the two or

636
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: the three. And that might be somebody that's perfectly fine

637
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: to bring off the bench, but you know, I think

638
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: you could use a little You're gonna want somebody back

639
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: with a little bit of punch if that's what you're

640
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: If you're moving Mather and you know, and you're you know,

641
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: you're trying to get something else and it's not a five,

642
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: then then I think that's what you'd want, even if

643
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: it's on a limited basis, Even if you're thinking okay,

644
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: well we're getting Peterson later. You just you just don't

645
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: know how the lottery balls are going to go. You

646
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: can't be sure that you're getting Baron Peterson. If you do,

647
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: you know you can make some moves at that point.

648
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: But I would think if you had to go somewhere

649
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: else that isn't the five uh, that's where you would

650
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Speaker 2: I think most.

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Speaker 1: Look tomorrow night Pacers Hawks Gamebridge Field House. Dustin will

652
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Speaker 1: have all the coverage for The Indianapolis Star, of course

653
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Speaker 1: and happy to have him on the Java House Pelaport

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Speaker 1: guest line. Dustin appreciate it, man, absolutely, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on. It's our friend from the Indianapolis Star. That

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Speaker 1: is Dustin joining us on the program. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: in the Java House Pelaport guest line. You hear him

658
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Speaker 1: in the mornings along with James Boyd, jeff Rickord. He

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Speaker 1: is Kevin Bowen. Kevin, I'll begin with this the NFL

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Speaker 1: news of the day. I don't know if you saw

661
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Speaker 1: it or not. Minnesota kind of a peculiar time because

662
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Speaker 1: usually changes come right at the end of the year

663
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Speaker 1: or you know, end of the season when a team's

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Speaker 1: season ends. But the Vikings are moving on from the

665
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Speaker 1: general manager spot. That means they have an opening. Ryan

666
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Speaker 1: Grigson was the assistant GM. I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: means for him, but do you think this may have

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Speaker 1: something to do with the Vikings having to look and

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Speaker 1: see Sam Darnold in the Super Bowl and Daniel Jones

670
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Speaker 1: having played well for Indianapolis and JJ McCarthy struggling.

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Speaker 6: Love the Chris Weber story. I will pray for Eddie,

672
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Speaker 6: as I do pretty much.

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Speaker 3: On a daily basis.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was And honestly, you bring up Gregson, you know,

675
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Speaker 6: I remember Gregson was fired pretty deep into January as well.

676
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Speaker 6: It was definitely like a three ish weeks after the

677
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Speaker 6: season ended.

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Speaker 5: He is still the assistant.

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Speaker 6: GM there, I believe, if I read the press release correct, though,

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Speaker 6: they have somebody else that's running the show through the draft,

681
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Speaker 6: some like VP of Football ops. So I don't know

682
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Speaker 6: exactly what it means for Gregson per se. But yeah,

683
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Speaker 6: obviously when can bring up to Daniel Jones point, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think that's an interesting one because I believe I

685
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Speaker 6: could be wrong with this. I believe Minnesota actually offered

686
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Speaker 6: more money than Indy did for Daniel Jones' past year

687
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Speaker 6: and I think Daniel Jones very understandably look at and said,

688
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Speaker 6: you know whatever, fifteen million versus twelve million, whatever the

689
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Speaker 6: numbers were, I have no idea what they were. Where's

690
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Speaker 6: the shoulder leash? And obviously Anthony Richardson's leash was quite

691
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Speaker 6: short again, McCarthy's much longer. So I think he made

692
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Speaker 6: obviously the right decision on that. But I wonder, yeah,

693
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Speaker 6: to your point, if that's some in the disagreement, it's

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Speaker 6: Kevin O'Connell and that coaching staff might have been more

695
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Speaker 6: inclined to, you know whatever. Either want to bring back Donald,

696
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Speaker 6: they want to bring back Jones, and you know how

697
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Speaker 6: much of JAJ McCarthy with a high draftick was part

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Speaker 6: of the decision.

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Speaker 3: Here can we learn?

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Speaker 1: Kevin and I talked about this a little bit over

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Speaker 1: the course of the week, certainly at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the week. If you look at Seattle and it's a

703
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Speaker 1: copycat league to a great extent, But with Seattle and

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Speaker 1: what they've done in going out and getting Donald, and Donald,

705
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Speaker 1: to his credit, has played at a high level. And

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Speaker 1: you know he's and he did a year ago. Now

707
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Speaker 1: he has some untimely turnovers and he's avoided that to

708
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Speaker 1: an extent, But is there any blueprint that Seattle has

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Speaker 1: shown that the Colts can kind of replicate or maybe

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Speaker 1: even we're on the path to replicating of Daniel Jones

711
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Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt. Do they have as good a cast

712
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Speaker 1: around Jones as Seattle has built for Darnold?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say no on that aspect, particularly defensively. You know,

714
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Speaker 6: Jackson Smith a jigba, you know, is definitely in a

715
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Speaker 6: different wide out level. But yeah, specifically on the defensive

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Speaker 6: side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think one thing that.

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Speaker 6: Stands out to me about Seattle Jake is like, you know,

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Speaker 6: I go back to I guess I go back to

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Speaker 6: Carly or say Gordon's question for Chris ballor the the

721
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Speaker 6: top question for her GM was you know, do you

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Speaker 6: still have the.

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Speaker 5: Juju or the or the shimmy?

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Speaker 6: Was that the right where I think you said or shimmer?

725
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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: Do you have the do you have the shimmer still?

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Speaker 6: And I, you know, Seattle, I guess asked out of

728
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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll a couple of years ago. And you know,

729
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Speaker 6: whether Pete Carroll's answer was you know what they wanted

730
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Speaker 6: to hear or not. They decided that despite you know,

731
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Speaker 6: this guy having a great, you know, NFL run for

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Speaker 6: He really had a very very strong ten year run there,

733
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Speaker 6: and if I'm not mistaken, I want to say they

734
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Speaker 6: had winning seasons each of his final two years there.

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Speaker 6: They still decided, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna make a change.

736
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Speaker 6: So I've got to something that's a little different here. Uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, from an organizational standpoint, if you want to

738
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Speaker 6: look at it from the top down, and you know, honestly,

739
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Speaker 6: New England if you want to look at them too.

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Speaker 6: You know, they had a beloved player in Geron Mayo

741
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Speaker 6: take over for Belichick, and after one year they said

742
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Speaker 6: enough was enough, which you know is a kind of

743
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Speaker 6: Nate Buorkrenny approach, like the Pacers, Hey enough is enough,

744
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Speaker 6: and you know, not every you know, higher after one

745
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 6: year it turns into Rick Carlisle Mike Rabel. But you know,

746
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Speaker 6: obviously it worked out very very well for both of

747
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Speaker 6: those franchises and in how you look at it, whereas

748
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Speaker 6: the Colts has been a little bit more of a no, no, no,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna hold onto things.

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Speaker 5: We believe, you know, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's the possibility, Kevin that the Colts

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Speaker 1: could try to get theirselves get them I was back

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Speaker 1: in the round one.

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Speaker 5: That's a good question.

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Speaker 6: I haven't given a ton of thought. I would probably

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Speaker 6: say no, I don't. I mean, where are they. They're

757
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Speaker 6: in the middle of round two, right, or you know

758
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Speaker 6: a little bit. Yeah, I don't know where exactly the

759
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Speaker 6: picket is. But whatever, they're in the middle of round two. Boys,

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Speaker 6: that's quite a leap, I don't. I mean, maybe if

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Speaker 6: you moved a player, you could get maybe an additional

762
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Speaker 6: second rounder. It'd have to be a very marquee player.

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Speaker 6: And then maybe you try to package something together and

764
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Speaker 6: get into the back in the round one. But I mean,

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Speaker 6: I would think just as an organization, you would only

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Speaker 6: do that for quarterback. I don't think they view their

767
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Speaker 6: quarterback need that dire. I don't know if their quarterback situation,

768
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Speaker 6: paired with this draft class meets stat criteria.

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Speaker 2: You know, the team I think about the most that

770
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Speaker 2: did that.

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Speaker 6: Was Baltimore with Lamar Jackson that twenty eighteen draft. And

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Speaker 6: you know, he was a pretty polarizing prospect here with

773
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Speaker 6: a lot of debates and a very quarterback heavy draft class,

774
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Speaker 6: and he was a fifth quarterback taken in the Sam

775
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Speaker 6: Darnold draft, in the Baker Mayfield draft, in the Josh

776
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Speaker 6: Allen Josh Rosen draft.

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Speaker 5: There so I don't. I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: To answer it, I just that's a lot and put

779
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Speaker 6: through it your Pidou for a quarterback, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Maybe there's an edge rusher, but no, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, by the way, Kevin, you know when

782
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Speaker 1: you talk about the quarterback, I think we just have

783
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Speaker 1: this foregone conclusion or understanding that Daniel Jones is going

784
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Speaker 1: to resign and come back, and I know, coming off

785
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Speaker 1: the injury, that would seemingly lock him in because I

786
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Speaker 1: don't know how many people would be knocking down his door.

787
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Speaker 1: But if we ruled out the pot, what if an

788
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Arizona okay? Or let's say that the Raiders look at

789
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: it and say, you know what, you know, we love

790
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: a different player number one overall, and we just don't

791
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: know Mendoza is a franchise quarterback. So we're going to draft,

792
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, whatever player at number one, and let's just

793
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: take a flyer that Daniel Jones is going to be

794
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: healthy and throw a big number at him. Are we

795
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: certain that Indianapolis is going to obviously, I think he

796
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: wants to be here, But do you think there's the

797
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: possibility that some other team does make a call on him?

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Speaker 6: You know, Honestly, when I saw the Minnesota news today,

799
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Speaker 6: they were the team that kind of popped into my

800
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Speaker 6: mind just because Jones spent a couple months there.

801
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Speaker 5: He speaks very.

802
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Speaker 6: Glowingly if Kevin O'Connell, and again, I believe Minnesota offered

803
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Speaker 6: more than Indy last year and free agency. So you know,

804
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Speaker 6: if you were in the Jones camp, do you look

805
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 6: at things and you know whatever, Let's just play this

806
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 6: out the hypothetical, if Minnesota were to offer you know,

807
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 6: X amount of million more this offseason, would he view

808
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 6: it a little bit differently than he viewed.

809
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Speaker 5: It last last offseason?

810
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Speaker 6: Whereas now he's like, oh wait a minute, I could

811
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Speaker 6: go there and beat the starter now, you know what,

812
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Speaker 6: let's not diminish what the Colts did for him. I

813
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 6: don't want to lose sight of that. I think Daniel Jones,

814
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Speaker 6: very understandably, you know, is a big believer in change psyching,

815
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Speaker 6: and you know, really appreciates obviously what played out here.

816
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Speaker 6: I think from a lifestyle standpoint, the pace of you know,

817
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 6: living in you know, the middle of Indianapolis is a

818
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: little different than living in New York City, not to

819
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Speaker 6: say Minneapolis would be more of that speed. But you know,

820
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Speaker 6: if that again is a in a team that I

821
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Speaker 6: have thought about, because it is odd, Jacob, You've been

822
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Speaker 6: in this business a long long time. You typically don't

823
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Speaker 6: see two sides of the leverage situation both be so

824
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Speaker 6: public and winning the marriage to continue. Like you know,

825
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: usually someone draws a little bit of a at least

826
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Speaker 6: a public line in the sand. You know, behind closed

827
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Speaker 6: doors they might not, you know, be as willing, but

828
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Speaker 6: you know, at least publicly they act like they're going

829
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Speaker 6: to play hardball or deep down they really know where

830
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Speaker 6: they're going to want to be when it's all said here.

831
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Speaker 6: So I still assume he will be back here. And

832
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Speaker 6: I would assume also there's teams that would just would

833
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Speaker 6: be hesitant about the Achilles.

834
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Speaker 3: I mean, that would be the big thing.

835
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Speaker 1: It almost felt like if there was the possibility that

836
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Speaker 1: there would have to be a bidding war for Daniel

837
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Speaker 1: Jones in the offseason, that the Achilles took that out

838
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Speaker 1: of the equation. I just you can never rule out.

839
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Speaker 1: I guess the question I would have, Kevin, is do

840
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Speaker 1: you think the Colts would it be wise of the

841
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Speaker 1: Colts to have a backup plan ready to go in

842
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Speaker 1: the event that they are shocked and somebody comes in

843
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Speaker 1: and swoops that away.

844
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Speaker 6: Well, yes, But I also think, and this gets into

845
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Speaker 6: a whole different sort of discussion, if you really, you know,

846
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Speaker 6: whatever you've met with Jones' representatives of the combine here

847
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Speaker 6: in a few weeks and all of a sudden you

848
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Speaker 6: get depression that you're way off on what you think

849
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 6: is the ballpark market. You do have the franchise tag,

850
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: which you.

851
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: Know can be used.

852
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 6: Now, the franchise tag is a forty million dollar guarantee,

853
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 6: So I mean, that's a whole different can of worms.

854
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 6: But and again, in the back of my mind, I

855
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: tend to think it makes more sense to use that

856
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 6: on Alet Pierce. So you know, if all hell breaks

857
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 6: loose and.

858
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: You're really in panic mode, you know you.

859
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Speaker 6: Could go with that that method if you would like.

860
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Speaker 1: Kevin bow and my guest, you hear him in the

861
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Speaker 1: morning of course on the Fan Morning Show with James

862
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: Boyd and jeff Rickord.

863
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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 1: One of the things also, I know you guys have

865
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Speaker 1: discussed it seems as though when you're talking about free agency,

866
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I think we anticipate that Alec Pierce is going to

867
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: be coveted around the league, But it also seems like

868
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: this foregone conclusion that he will stay here. Am I

869
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: being too bullish on that thought? And what do you

870
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: think his number is going to be?

871
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

872
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 6: And that's where I think the franchise tag makes sense

873
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 6: because I think if you let him to the open

874
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 6: market and you try to be competitive there, I think

875
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 6: you're going to see some very big offers for him.

876
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 6: You know, he's still in his prime, he's not had

877
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 6: injury history. You know. Again, the thing about Pierce, and

878
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 6: I can hear people say, hey, he doesn't catch enough

879
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 6: balls from my wall, like you know, okay, fine, but

880
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 6: he had He possesses the hardest trait to find, in

881
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 6: my opinion, in the NFL for a receiver, and that

882
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 6: is the ability to consistently make plays down the field.

883
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 6: That's really where the NFL is trend has gone defensively

884
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 6: is you know, we're gonna do anything and everything we

885
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 6: can to eliminate the ability for teams to just you know,

886
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 6: turn drives into four plays and seventy two yards and

887
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 6: you hit a thirty yarder and twenty yarder and boom,

888
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 6: now you're cooking. You know, the methodical driving down the

889
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 6: field is a little bit more difficult for an offense

890
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 6: to sustain. And so that's why when you look at

891
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 6: Pittman versus Pierce, for example, again, what's the harder trait

892
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 6: to replace if it gets.

893
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: Into that decision.

894
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: To me, that's obvious the hardest one to replace it

895
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 6: would be Pierce's home run ability. So you know, I've

896
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 6: kind of been under depression Jake that they would just

897
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 6: franchise Tag Pierce, give Jones whatever, what Baker May got

898
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 6: a few years ago, with Sam Darnold got a few

899
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 6: years ago. You know, something along those lines is kind

900
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 6: of how I look at it. But you know, if

901
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 6: if all of a sudden they do want him to

902
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 6: hit the open market again, I think he would be very,

903
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 6: very coveted. So that's a that's a really interesting one.

904
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: You know.

905
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: One of the things about Pierce in his game, Kevin,

906
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: to me, that's underrated and it feels like he draws.

907
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: In my mind, I know that I'm embellishing the number,

908
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: but it feels like that he draws at least two

909
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: critical pass interference penalties per game that extend drives or

910
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: move drives for Indianapolis. And is that that I would

911
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: assume that's just his ability to get behind the defense

912
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: and then they're playing catch up, right.

913
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 6: I mean, I would argue with maybe the Colt's best weapon.

914
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: And yeah I say that half jokingly, half seriously, but

915
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 6: it's almost like, oh, bleep it, Al Pierce is down

916
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 6: there somewhere, might as well throw it down to him.

917
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 6: I always tweet out during game, whatever the cool to do,

918
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 6: throw the ball to Pierce. I'm like, good things happen

919
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 6: when you target him. And when I say that, obviously

920
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 6: he comes down with a lot of those balls.

921
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 5: But also you know in the backyard, he's the.

922
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 6: Biggest and oldest dude, and he's a big brother that

923
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: the little brothers are all clawing at in the game

924
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 6: of five hundred, and they naturally bring him to the

925
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 6: ground and boom, that's.

926
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: A flag like Dv's panic. I think we see.

927
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many games you can point to

928
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 6: this year where that happens. I recall it was at

929
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 6: the Houston game where Jones threw a ball that almost

930
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 6: hit the cheerleaders, and yet the Houston DV was so,

931
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 6: I think it was a safety that had gotten isolated

932
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 6: on Pierce.

933
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 5: He was so worried about it.

934
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 6: He kind of brought Pierce to the ground and they

935
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 6: deemed it still catchable, I guess. And Pierce's ableers are

936
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 6: all flagged there like yeah, I mean, if you add

937
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 6: it up, his passingerference are holding penalties, I would argue

938
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 6: you to have another couple hundred yards.

939
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 5: To his season.

940
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Kevin, how was the trip up to Notre Dame and

941
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: I saw I think it was Jordan Cortnett made comment

942
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: to the fact that he was disappointed by the crowd

943
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I know, you guys went up there for

944
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: that game, double overtime game right with Virginia.

945
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 6: Yes, correct, Yes, I would agree with that from Jordan Cornett.

946
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 5: Crowd was pathetic.

947
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: What now and I can't recall what night it was,

948
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: so was it during? Was it before or after the

949
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: snowstorm and et cetera.

950
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 6: Well, I mean yeah, I mean it was Tuesday night, so,

951
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 6: I mean it was the seven o'clock game before I

952
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 6: you at nine. Now, they didn't weirdly, they didn't get

953
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 6: as much snow as we did when Racestaw and I

954
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 6: were driving up.

955
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 5: There and by and by the way.

956
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 6: When I say we, I mean Racestaw was driving and

957
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 6: I was just you know, had the nice shotgun experience.

958
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 6: You know.

959
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 5: Thirty one was a breeze.

960
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 6: I mean it was like they still have the lake

961
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 6: effect from that apocalyptic snow they got a few weeks ago.

962
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 6: But it really, you know, thirty one wasn't bad at all.

963
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 6: So great time. I'm great game, brutal ending. You know,

964
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 6: it was a question your fandom type of law. It

965
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 6: was a big look in the mirror moment for me.

966
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 6: But I'm back on it tomorrow.

967
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

968
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: Eyracuse, when when they hired Michael Shrewsbury, you got shirtless

969
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: and you brought in donuts out of your joy. It

970
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: was hard to eat the donut with you sitting there shirtless, admittedly,

971
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: but are you beginning to question that not being shirtless

972
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: simply Michael Shrewsbury is a good guy. I mean, don't

973
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but is he the right guy for

974
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that job?

975
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? Totally fair question. You know, Notre Dame is trying

976
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 6: to do a little bit of what Purdue is doing,

977
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 6: and they they're they're trying to recruit the high school

978
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: kids more than live in the portal. They just don't.

979
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 6: And I know it sounds weird to say, but they

980
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 6: don't have the nil flush fund that a lot of

981
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 6: these programs too.

982
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 5: For basketball.

983
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 6: To be very clear on that. He also has losses.

984
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: But you know, Marcus Burton is likely out for the year.

985
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 6: He got hurt whatever six.

986
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 5: Games end of the season, eight games end of the season.

987
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean it's a bit of an excuse,

988
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 6: but you know there is some validity to it.

989
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: I would still like to see kind.

990
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: Of one more year with him, you know, if you

991
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 6: can bring back he On Harrelson, you know, Burton get healthy.

992
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 6: They don't really lose much really at all of their group.

993
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 6: And I mean, at the end of the day, it

994
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: is Notre Dame basketball. I mean, I love it like

995
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 6: it's one of my children. But I mean it's me

996
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 6: and seven other people in the world that treat it

997
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 6: like that. So I would like to see just another

998
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 6: run with it. But you know, the resume is the

999
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 6: resume right now. I mean, they haven't won, they haven't

1000
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 6: beaten a ranked team. I think the stat is in

1001
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: his tenure, which is just astonishing. So yeah, I don't know.

1002
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 6: I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, but I'm trying

1003
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: to give you an unbiased answer with a very biased brain.

1004
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 7: Kevin, the last eleven games Pacers are six and five.

1005
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 7: I saw you were out of practice today for the

1006
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 7: Blue and Gold. When are you making this recent two

1007
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 7: weeks stretch for the Pacers from a team perspective? And

1008
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 7: then you know, individually with Jonas Walker, Johnny Furfey uh

1009
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 7: flourishing as of late for Indiana.

1010
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would say first you start with

1011
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 6: just general health. I mean, it's the healthiest they've been

1012
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 6: all year long, especially now that matherins back Obie top

1013
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 6: and was doing some shooting drill, so I don't know

1014
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 6: if his return seems to potentially be happening soon. Obviously

1015
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 6: you get in the awkwardness of you know, what you

1016
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 6: might do as the.

1017
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 5: Season moves along.

1018
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 6: But you know, as far as Furfy and Walker, yeah,

1019
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 6: I mean that's you know, to a lot of people,

1020
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 6: Letty that that might mean more than the wins and losses,

1021
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 6: Like if Furfey and or Walker become a thing, then

1022
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 6: that's really key for whatever the next era looks like.

1023
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 6: For you know, Tyree Taliburton, you know, Rick Carlisle specifically

1024
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 6: today was pretty you know, very complimentary of like Furfey's

1025
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 6: ability to defend us out failing and you know that

1026
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 6: aspect to you know, it's kind of been a missing

1027
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 6: ingredient for the team and everything.

1028
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 5: So definitely have played better.

1029
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 6: And now we wait, we wait Thursday, I guess you know,

1030
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 6: are we watching the final few games of Benedic matheren

1031
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 6: a PACER's uniform? How exactly will the deadline play out?

1032
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 6: That's kind of the big storyline.

1033
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Now, speaking of that, where do things stand with your

1034
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Benedict Matherin statue that you were going to build?

1035
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 6: Well, it's currently under some snow.

1036
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'd have to start there.

1037
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 6: I probably have to, you know, I know you guys

1038
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 6: have a bet on the snow bank in the parking lot.

1039
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: I probably have to start.

1040
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: Do you want to get in on the bet on

1041
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: the snow bank in the parking lot? Kevin?

1042
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, Eddie told me.

1043
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: You know, Eddie and I discussed it the other day.

1044
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 5: I first time. I think it's a great bet by

1045
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 5: both of you.

1046
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 6: I think it's very entertaining.

1047
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 5: I probably signed a little bit more with you.

1048
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 6: I always find it which it pains me to say,

1049
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 6: but I always find it like amazing when you drive

1050
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 6: by those big, like you know, mall parking lots in

1051
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 6: March and you're like, holy bleep, bet, snow.

1052
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: Bank is still there now.

1053
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 6: Having said that, the sun has been out like every

1054
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 6: day this week, so weirdly, I feel like it's melted

1055
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 6: a little little bit more than I thought it would.

1056
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: However, however, keep in mind I did say, and Eddie

1057
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: backed me up here. I did say when initially making

1058
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: the wager with Eddie that if if we get more

1059
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: snow that is added on to it, that you have

1060
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: to factor that in, right, And I don't know that

1061
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: we have any forecasts in the next couple of days,

1062
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: but it's hard to think that we will not have

1063
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: another snow before it's all gone.

1064
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: Right, there's a chance of flurries next week.

1065
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 6: Okay, oh boys, it's gonna get real complicated, real quick.

1066
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 6: So yeah, all in all, I probably sided with you

1067
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 6: on it, but you better believe I'm gonna be monitoring

1068
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 6: that thing like none other.

1069
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 5: I'm all in on this.

1070
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 7: See now, you could also get all in on this,

1071
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 7: So you're siding with him but rooting for me just

1072
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 7: to get this on the record, right, yeah.

1073
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, that probably sums it up correct.

1074
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, now how about this just so you know,

1075
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Eddie and Kevin, since you're a father, you're always trying

1076
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: to be hip with kids, right Kevin?

1077
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, whole thing.

1078
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: So you know, the new one six sevens six seven's Kevin.

1079
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be rude here. That's kind of

1080
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: played right, the six to seven thing. It's it's been

1081
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: eighty six. So the new thing is this?

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00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 5: Okay, I thought it was forty one was the new one?

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00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: Now the new one's QR.

1084
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: You're speaking, you're speaking to somebody and like the kids

1085
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: come in and you and your wife are talking and

1086
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: they say, what are your mom talking about? And you say,

1087
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, we're just speaking QR. And then

1088
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: you go q R and that means Kevin. Now you

1089
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: want to know what that means? And this is brilliant.

1090
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: This is brilliant. Do you want to know what that means?

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00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 5: Yeah? I'm on the edge of my seat.

1092
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: When when you go to a restaurant and they say

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00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: we've gone paperless with our menu, but you can use

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00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: your phone to scan this.

1095
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: What do you scan?

1096
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: You QR code? It up.

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00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you're speaking in Lingo to someone kind

1098
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: of like pig Latin, you're speaking in QR, which is code.

1099
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Speaker 1: Kids will love this. I just came up with the

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00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: kids will love it as a matter of fact. Just

1101
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: so you know, Eddie, do you haven't had the breaking

1102
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Speaker 1: news sounder if you could?

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00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 5: Uh?

1104
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: No, I think I think zet is broken right now, Jacob.

1105
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: It's been proposed to me right now, surf Side is coming.

1106
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Could come out with the hip combo join the latest

1107
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: coolest rocket ship of beverages surf Side in QR No.

1108
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: More six seven see see man.

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Speaker 3: Listen you guys a lord.

1110
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Speaker 5: We're in the final half hour of the week.

1111
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are with that opportunity to get on

1112
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Speaker 3: this train. Either get on. It's leaving the station. It's

1113
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: leaving the station and we're now. I mean, you know,

1114
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: you don't have to be on the train if you

1115
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Speaker 3: don't want to.

1116
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 6: I think my ticket's stuck in the snow bank with

1117
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Speaker 6: the Benedict matherin statue.

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Speaker 1: Last question, keav we got a week before it happens,

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Speaker 1: but you're rooting for who in the super.

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00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 6: Well rooting for the Seahawks. I do think New England

1121
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 6: can make it much more interesting than people think. And

1122
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 6: I know the drake may like ill his shoulders a

1123
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 6: little weird, but I don't know. I feel like people

1124
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 6: are really writing off New England way too early.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I'd like to see

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00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: Seattle as well. Again, they are ospreys, that is, the seahawk,

1127
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: a large bird, according to Kevin's son, all Right, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the weekend, appreciate the time as

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Speaker 5: Always, Praying for you, Addie, See you boys,