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Speaker 1: Casey.

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Speaker 2: There is a new documentary out on Hulu about the

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Speaker 2: Delphi murders.

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Speaker 1: I know you have watched it, three part docuseries.

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Speaker 2: That's right by the way. It's Kenell and Casey showing

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Speaker 2: Rob Casey's here. I have now watched it. I did

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Speaker 2: in part because we have a fabulous guest with us

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Speaker 2: who knows that case very well. He is all over

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Speaker 2: that that documentary and he is the former police superintendent

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Speaker 2: for the state of Indiana. Doug Carter joins us. Now, Doug, Hello, Hey,

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Speaker 2: good morning to you. So have you seen the documentary?

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Speaker 3: I did. I watched it over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Is it weird to watch a documentary on a case

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Speaker 2: that you basically knew from start to finish? Like I

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Speaker 2: think if somebody did a documentary or radio show or

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Speaker 2: our radio program, Like, what is that like to see

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Speaker 2: a documentary? I'm sure you you just pick things.

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Speaker 1: Apart the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was quite frankly, it was difficult.

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 3: It was. It took me back in time almost nine

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Speaker 3: years ago, at least in February. That's what it will be.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember all the stuff well? Or is it

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Speaker 2: where things jogging your memory?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, jogging my memory. There was so much to it.

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Speaker 3: There were just so much From the very beginning, I

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Speaker 3: captivated little literally captivated the planet. I mean, they were

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Speaker 3: inquiry from all over the world, so it was it

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Speaker 3: was quite an experience.

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Speaker 2: All right. So I think one of the problems with

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Speaker 2: the Delphi case is that we didn't get to see

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Speaker 2: what went on in the courtroom, and so we were

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Speaker 2: limited to the descriptions of the people who were there

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Speaker 2: a very select amount of media. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: was a major issue And do you think if there

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Speaker 2: have been cameras in the courtroom people would have felt

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Speaker 2: differently about the trial?

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Speaker 3: I do, I do. I look back on that time, though, Robbit,

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Speaker 3: I think Judge gall was dealing with enormous an enormous

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Speaker 3: amount of pressure to make sure that that Richard Allen's

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Speaker 3: rights were protected, that the that the state was doing

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Speaker 3: the right thing, that the defense was going to do

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Speaker 3: the right thing, all the while there's an enormous amount

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Speaker 3: of noise around it, around the entire case. So I understand,

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Speaker 3: I understood then why she made that decision to maintain

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Speaker 3: some civility and control of the courtroom. But I think

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Speaker 3: probably looking back now again Hindsight's twenty twenty that single

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Speaker 3: camera in the courtroom probably would have told a different story,

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Speaker 3: at least to the public.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, and you know this case as

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Speaker 2: well as just about anybody, what do you think was

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing that didn't get relayed to the public

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Speaker 2: from that trial? What do you think if there had

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Speaker 2: been cameras in the courtroom that the public didn't see

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Speaker 2: or didn't get relayed to them by the media, that

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Speaker 2: would have maybe changed some much great question.

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Speaker 3: There was a It seems seemed to be that most

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Speaker 3: of the people that were reporting about this clickcase had

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Speaker 3: and I don't know if it was intentional. I think

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Speaker 2: Mean like they had an opinion on what happened.

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Speaker 3: They did, they formed an opinion, but they didn't talk

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Speaker 3: about the other side. That's interesting, it really was. It

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Speaker 3: was fascinating because I would sit and listen, and then

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Speaker 3: It was totally totally different.

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Speaker 2: Based Okay, so you're saying based on what was going

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Speaker 2: a day's worth of testimony and then you got these

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Speaker 2: news guys that got to do their news hits or

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Speaker 2: their stories or whatever in you know, at best five

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, And I'm not casting blame on them. It

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Speaker 3: was a very difficult period of time for everybody involved.

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Speaker 3: I mean many of them were there all night long

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Speaker 4: I watched the docuseries and I went through Richard Allen

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Speaker 4: was guilty, you know, he was innocent. No, he was guilty.

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Speaker 4: And there was one moment for me this sealed the deal.

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Speaker 4: And I can tell you what that is. But I

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Speaker 4: want to know about your opinion the one thing that

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, can you explain the bullet because even

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Speaker 2: isn't iron clad stuff. You need multiple people can give

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Speaker 2: talked before about this offline. What about the bullets sealed

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Speaker 2: it for you?

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Speaker 1: And let's be specific. You're talking about the bullet that

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Speaker 1: was found.

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Speaker 3: At the crime scene. Yes, yes, it's obviously it was

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Speaker 3: presented in the courtroom. So I'm not talking about anything

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Speaker 3: I can't. But what I explained to people now is

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Speaker 3: if you found something in your room in your home

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Speaker 3: individual that you didn't know, is it more likely than

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Speaker 3: Why would that gun be there? Why would that bullet

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Speaker 3: be there? And it was more likely than not his.

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Speaker 3: So that was a big deal to me. And again

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Speaker 3: I've never investigated a crime like this. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 3: let them do their job objectively. And that was a

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Speaker 3: really really big moment for me.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever did you ever sway on this?

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Speaker 1: Okay? I guess.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's go back because the documentary and

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Speaker 2: they got three hours, right, so they can't get to everything.

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Speaker 2: But it's sort of like there's this giant time hop

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Speaker 2: in the documentary to where now he's just a suspect,

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Speaker 2: Like we just fast forward through basically years of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Was he always a suspect? Was he always somebody that

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Speaker 2: was being looked at? What put him back on a radar?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think people still are confused

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Speaker 3: I think the documentary by Hulu did a really nice

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Speaker 3: job of explaining how all that happened, because, as you know,

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Speaker 3: there was contact with Richard Allen early on, and as

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Speaker 3: simplistic as this is, it was missed. It was just simply.

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Speaker 1: Missed putting a file and getting a drawer.

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Speaker 3: And they did and they said their job.

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Speaker 2: Theirs being Richard Allens, like, well, this guy was here

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Speaker 2: the whole time, and you know, so what you're basically

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Speaker 2: saying is, yeah, that was just a mistake. It was

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Speaker 3: There's no other I'm not going to spin that into

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Speaker 3: something that's not. That's just the reality. And I know

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Speaker 3: we took a lot of heat over this from you Rob.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: Now we talk like does he know all the things?

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that's one that's one of the reasons that

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Speaker 3: I felt like I had to be as involved as

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Speaker 3: I was, and and and my job was to take

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Speaker 3: the not that it was I'm not being disrespectful.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 3: The noise everybody else is jo noise of coming, you know,

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Speaker 3: your position. I did it. I wish I could have

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Speaker 3: I just couldn't do that at the time. I just

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Speaker 2: There's Doug Carter's I guess, former state police superintendent. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about the Delphi murders. There's this very interesting new

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Speaker 2: documentary on Hulu. Is there any has there ever been

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Speaker 2: any doubt in your mind that this is the guy?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Well, once he was identified.

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Speaker 1: Right right right?

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Speaker 2: Never, You've never waivered, never any not? Is there any

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Speaker 2: Is there any truth to if the judge had allowed

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Speaker 2: the because a lot of people feel like they there was.

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Speaker 2: The rulings were very one sided in favor of the prosecution.

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Speaker 2: If they'd have allowed the defense to present the odinism stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the jury's mind would have been changed

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Speaker 2: or would have changed more people in the public. Should

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Speaker 2: the judges said, look, this is such a big case,

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Speaker 3: Well, what Judge Gould did and what I would do

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Speaker 3: really aren't comparable because I didn't sit in her seat.

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Speaker 3: the time. I think if if that whole odinism issue

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Speaker 2: You don't think it would have swayed the jury at all.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: You said you watched the docu series. What was your

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Speaker 3: Again, I thought they did a really nice job. I

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Speaker 3: interesting that that Andrew bald When indicated after his first

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Speaker 3: And again I don't hate him for that. I mean,

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Speaker 3: sure didn't jump to those conclusions. So the defense was

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Speaker 3: not complaining about that. I guess I kind of am,

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Speaker 3: because the one hundred and thirty six page document that

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Speaker 3: and we couldn't respond to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they go in a little bit in the documentary.

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Speaker 3: They do, and there's a gag order at the time.

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Speaker 2: What wester Fell or whatever his name was, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's all over that that. He's like, well, I don't

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Speaker 2: get that back now, Like you know, right, my name

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Speaker 2: is forever linked into this thing.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that is mentioned was investigated. It was there terabytes

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Speaker 3: of documents in the documentary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Was there anything missing from the documentary?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think the documentary could have been eight hours

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Speaker 3: long or maybe ten hours long. But again, they found

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Speaker 3: a real magic balance there, and I hope people watch it.

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Speaker 3: I do. I listened to you, to Casey. I listened

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Speaker 3: to you that day last week, so I kind of

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Speaker 3: had an idea of what your thought was about the bullet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was exactly what you said. That's what Oh

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: It was people breaking news. You're in, you're in on

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Speaker 2: the jury, got it right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that the day.

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Speaker 2: Watching the let's talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Was it was the bullet just like Doug Carter said,

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Speaker 4: that's what's solidified.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about that guy Relford, who's here all the time. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and I remember Guy Reliford. You might have hearved me

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Speaker 3: Well, remember this the probable cause beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 2: And for those who may not know what you just said,

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Speaker 3: I had a detective that listened to every single com

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Speaker 3: That was his job. And again, those admissions came over time.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't that every you're saying, And that's interesting

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Speaker 2: I think the wife is do you think the wife

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Speaker 3: Rob, I walked across that bridge a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: There is no way it was anybody that hadn't been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I've.

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Speaker 3: Lost track of the number of times I was up

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Speaker 4: You've been doing this for quite a long time. Was

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Speaker 3: Yes, Carroll County, Indiana was the most. The most pressure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's a good question right now that that

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Speaker 3: But as with any other capital crime, any other murder investigation,

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Speaker 2: You would go meet with him.

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Speaker 3: I want to go meet with him, I do, but

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Speaker 3: Well, I have lots of questions I would ask him.

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Speaker 2: That would be like, like, not that there's anything lighthearted

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Speaker 2: Okay, And obviously I don't want you to go in

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Speaker 3: Evil lives amongst us, Rob and I do. I think

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Speaker 1: They did that?

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Speaker 2: Had I assume you had obviously seen all that before.

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Speaker 3: Know, look at it from the different perspective. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: In the So in the mind of the criminal, they

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Speaker 3: I'd love to talk with him.

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Speaker 2: So before I let you go get out of here

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Speaker 3: But you know, Rob, one of the things that's important.

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Speaker 3: you know, those are the kinds of things that they

444
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Speaker 3: can talk about them all they want. I'll debate them

445
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Speaker 3: anytime they want to. This is about human beings. This

446
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Speaker 3: is not about intention mistakes and doing things intentionally wrong.

447
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Speaker 4: So you were in the documentary, but it was news clips.

448
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Speaker 4: Did the producers approach you to be on camera?

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they reached out to both Jerry Holman and I

450
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Speaker 3: and we did they because they they wanted to restrict

451
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Speaker 3: what we could say after the documentary, so I guess

452
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Speaker 3: they wanted to own it, and again that's just all

453
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Speaker 3: part of it and we so we declined. But they

454
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Speaker 3: did a really nice job, even though they didn't weren't

455
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Speaker 3: able to interview us like they like like they wanted to.

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Speaker 3: But Holman, I mean, Jerry Holman is just the guy's

457
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Speaker 3: just a star.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Man. Well, you know, I just appreciate you

459
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Speaker 2: being with us today. Obviously, this is a case that

460
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Speaker 2: changed the state. It shouldn't be forgotten how it and

461
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Speaker 2: I thought the documented a good job of capturing how

462
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Speaker 2: those families were impacted. I think they sometimes get lost

463
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Speaker 2: in this when there's media covers that there's these families

464
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Speaker 2: that lost these two little girls. And I just appreciate

465
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Speaker 2: you coming in and shedding some light on this because

466
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Speaker 2: it will always captivate the public. You know, fifty years

467
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: from now, people will still be talking about the Delphi case.

468
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Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's great to get someone

469
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Speaker 2: like you. The record will now be preserved in interviews

470
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Speaker 2: like this on things that the public maybe didn't see

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Speaker 2: or know about.

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Speaker 3: Those that are listening. I also that Florifire is a

473
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Speaker 3: really big deal, and that's still unfinished. Yeah, so even

474
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Speaker 3: while I'm not still there, those detectives are. And if

475
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Speaker 3: you know some say something.

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Speaker 4: Please all right, it is Kendery Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 2: Should we talk about what a complete bussy brawn is

478
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Speaker 2: for a minute? Noodling. I want to use another word,

479
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Speaker 2: but I don't think I'm allowed to say it. Okay, hey,

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Speaker 2: but before I do that, real quick. Thanks to Doug

481
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Speaker 2: Carter for coming in.

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Speaker 1: That was fascinating. If you missed the.

483
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Speaker 2: First part of the hour, Doug Carter, former State Police superintendent,

484
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Speaker 2: came on with us, talked about all things DELFI.

485
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Speaker 1: And there's of.

486
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Speaker 2: Course this new Hulu documentary out and he's not interviewed

487
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Speaker 2: in it, and I thought it was interesting. He said

488
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Speaker 2: it wasn't avoiding anybody. He didn't want to be essentially

489
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Speaker 2: bound with silence. Correct, because I guess there's.

490
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Speaker 1: Rules diticipate in it, then he can't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And they couldn't have come on with people like us,

492
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Speaker 2: and so that that made a lot of sense. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 2: but he there was no question off limits. And look,

494
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Speaker 2: that's what you should expect from your public servants. There'll

495
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Speaker 2: be some people that'll be mad about what he said. Absolutely,

496
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Speaker 2: I'm still not convinced the guy did it. I still,

497
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Speaker 2: as a juror, would have doubt doubt he filled in

498
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Speaker 2: some holes for me. A major issue for me is

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Speaker 2: a lack of motive and criminal history. But again, and

500
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Speaker 2: I think he admitted this the judge. Now he didn't

501
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Speaker 2: say it like this, but the judge made a colossal

502
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Speaker 2: mistake not letting the public watch the case.

503
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Speaker 1: Right, not putting a camera in there.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was really interesting when you asked him

505
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Speaker 4: about motive and he answered saying, you know, evil, and

506
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Speaker 4: it wasn't like it was my impression. He was saying

507
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Speaker 4: that something was going to happen that day.

508
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Speaker 1: But he wasn't planning on that specifically. Yeah, I was

509
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Speaker 1: something bad. I was going to take plook.

510
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Speaker 2: I know you don't have to I know you don't

511
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Speaker 2: have to prove motive, you know, to be convicted. And again,

512
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Speaker 2: those jurors saw a whole bunch of stuff we didn't see.

513
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Speaker 2: The judge made a monumental mistake. I think the judge

514
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Speaker 2: made two mistakes. The first mistake was not allowing the

515
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Speaker 2: public to view the proceedings, and the second was all

516
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Speaker 2: of those rulings against Richard Allen. I think they should

517
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Speaker 2: have let him put whatever defense out there that he wanted,

518
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Speaker 2: and then you take away because those are the two

519
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Speaker 2: things you hear, right, like the lack of transparency or

520
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: the perceived lack of transparency, and all the rulings that

521
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Speaker 2: went against Richard Allen. Obviously, like I said, I'm a

522
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Speaker 2: no legal expert, but I think that. But and the

523
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Speaker 2: my point on this is that people will not like

524
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Speaker 2: what he said, and that's okay. But he came on

525
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Speaker 2: and he answered questions, and no point was he like there,

526
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Speaker 2: I won't talk about this, or I won't talk about that.

527
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Speaker 2: He answered the questions we could have done, and he

528
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Speaker 2: said this when we got done with the interview.

529
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Speaker 1: Said we could have gone for hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe at some point we'll have him, we'll

531
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Speaker 2: have him come back, but I don't I've talked to

532
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Speaker 2: him about this multiple times now obviously on airon then

533
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Speaker 2: we've chated a little bit off air about it.

534
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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any doubt in his mind.

535
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Speaker 2: He thinks that allan day he got the right guy. Yeah,

536
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Speaker 2: and people, reasonable people will disagree on that. And I'm

537
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Speaker 2: still not sure where because he asked me when we

538
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Speaker 2: got done so like, you know, what what is your

539
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Speaker 2: what would your hang up be? And I just think

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Speaker 2: the biggest one for me is a lack of motive

541
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Speaker 2: and criminal history. I would have a very hard time

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Speaker 2: believing that a guy in his fifties just woke up

543
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Speaker 2: one day and was like, I'm gonna go kill two

544
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Speaker 2: little girls. I don't know, but anyway, Okay, let's talk

545
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Speaker 2: about so thanks to Doug Carter. It was a great

546
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Speaker 2: interview that's done a wide variety of stuff. Go back

547
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Speaker 2: and listen to it after we get done with the

548
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: program today if you missed it. Okay, Braun is ridiculous, right,

549
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Speaker 2: I mean you've seen the quote.

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Speaker 4: Now, well, I don't know what that one it is

551
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 4: because is he noncommittal or is he seriously considering?

552
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Speaker 1: So we need a.

553
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Speaker 2: Capital Chronicle as an article about the governor of the

554
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Speaker 2: state of Indiana Mike Braun and he's gonna be on

555
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Speaker 2: with Hammer Nigel this afternoon.

556
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Speaker 1: They'll talk about it that and.

557
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Speaker 2: They're going to get into the AI porn allegations and

558
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Speaker 2: all that. All that stuff. I think this afternoon is

559
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Speaker 2: their intention. But he got so. We had Mitch Gore

560
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Speaker 2: on Democrat representative earlier today talking about this, and look,

561
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Speaker 2: of course they don't want it because it's going to

562
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Speaker 2: go against them. But and like people are like, I

563
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Speaker 2: can't believe you'd have a Democrat Why not? Why wouldn't

564
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Speaker 2: we have Democrats on? They are leaders, they are they

565
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Speaker 2: have votes, they have, you.

566
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Speaker 1: Know, ability to sway colleagues.

567
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Speaker 2: They're going to vote on this thing if it happens,

568
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Speaker 2: the same as everybody else is.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people just because someone.

570
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Speaker 2: Can be right, but you can also be skeptical of

571
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Speaker 2: what they would do in that position at the same time.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's sort of like with the mitchcore.

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Speaker 2: I think if there were a Democrat president that we're

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Speaker 2: pushing hard for redistricting and Indiana or a Democrat state,

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Speaker 2: I think the Democrats would be hard pressed to stand

576
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Speaker 2: back against it, right. I don't kid myself with that,

577
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: but he made a lot of good points, and this

578
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: is they're not even in the state House selling some

579
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: made up thing like Texas is.

580
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Speaker 1: At least Texas is.

581
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Speaker 2: Like, well, we've had all these people move in, you know,

582
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: with these districts are all different, the makeups are different. Now,

583
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Speaker 2: which if you wanted to just extend logic, you could

584
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Speaker 2: do that. That's what the census is for every ten years.

585
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Speaker 2: But Indiana doesn't even have that. And he said, they're

586
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Speaker 2: not even they're not even lying, they're not even fibbing,

587
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: they're not even saying no, yeah, And shouldn't our society

588
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: to be better than we just want to score cheap

589
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: political points, Because what have the Republicans done for you anyway?

590
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Like what if they have the House, they have the Senate,

591
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: they have the presidency, what'd you get? You got some

592
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: bill that's going to add three and a half to

593
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Speaker 2: four now maybe four and a half a trillion on

594
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Speaker 2: top of the fifteen trillion or already going to like

595
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Speaker 2: what are you getting? What is different? What is changing?

596
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Speaker 2: The Republicans had the House of Representatives the two years

597
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: with Biden, did any Biden spending stuff get the kaibosh?

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Speaker 1: No?

599
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: No, of course not so we're all hung up on

600
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Speaker 2: manipulating ourselves into vacating our principles what we know is right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know deep down what this is.

602
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: It's a power grab, of course it is. They can't

603
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Speaker 2: win the election, so they're going to rig the thing

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Speaker 2: in their favor.

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Speaker 4: They can't do it based on their actual governance, so

606
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Speaker 4: let's do it this way. This is the interesting thing

607
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Speaker 4: about Governor Brown's quote in the article.

608
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Speaker 1: He said, it'll be interesting to see what.

609
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Speaker 4: Texas does because they don't have a super majority. Why

610
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Speaker 4: does it matter what Texas is doing to determine what

611
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Speaker 4: Indiana's gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Bingo, if it's the right thing to do. States do

613
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: different things all the time, correct do it.

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Speaker 4: He wants to see how much.

615
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Speaker 1: Of a mess or how easy it is, Yes, exactly.

616
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: If that gets tripped up, it's probably going to impact

617
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Speaker 2: what happens elsewhere because the rest of it doesn't add

618
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: up to much. So you're admitting this is just a

619
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Speaker 2: power play to give yourself more power in Congress.

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Speaker 1: It's not about right.

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Speaker 2: It's not about making the districts more fair, it's not

622
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Speaker 2: making about making voting better.

623
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Speaker 1: It's not about any of that.

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Speaker 2: He's freely admitting now without saying the exact words, this

625
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: is all just about we've pulled the mask back. At

626
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: least they're not even lying to us anymore improvement. At

627
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: least they're not even lying. And it's we as people

628
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: have to be better than this, You as we as

629
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Speaker 2: a society, you as an individual listening to us right now,

630
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: you have to put your foot down and say the

631
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: parties don't matter anyway. They all screw us. They don't

632
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: fight for us, they don't do things for us. What

633
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: are you cheerleading for? What are you so excited? Let's

634
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: say the Republicans get three more seats in the House.

635
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: Let's say they win three collectively out of this and

636
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: it's the status quo.

637
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Are you fired up about that?

638
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: Do you think we should be spending all of this

639
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: time in political capital? And don't you have to stand

640
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: up for yourself? Because Braun on the signature issue that

641
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: was most important to most of you, property taxes, when

642
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: he had the opportunity to call the special session and

643
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: fight for you, he said, uh, uh, doesn't that enrage you?

644
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: Haven't you seen enough from these people to know what rotten,

645
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: disgusting individuals they are he's really considering this. He's all

646
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Speaker 2: on board. If it'll work in Texas. If he thinks

647
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: it'll fly through, he's gonna do it. But he wouldn't

648
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Speaker 2: do it for you with the property taxes.

649
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Speaker 4: He said that he's not feeling pressured financially by the

650
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Speaker 4: Trump administration to get this done. So jd Vance came

651
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Speaker 4: here for a breaded portendo loin, I mean, is that

652
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Speaker 4: why he came?

653
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Speaker 1: I just I mean, because we don't know what they

654
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Speaker 1: talked about. It's the same.

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Speaker 2: And I've been I've struggled with this for a long time.

656
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: I just didn't realize it until recently. But I've been

657
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: really struggling with this casey because of a variety of reasons.

658
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Things that have happened nationally, obviously, but obviously some things

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Speaker 2: that are happening here in our own backyard, and how

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Speaker 2: people have behaved and our behaving with the way things

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Speaker 2: ought to be, and how great they could be if

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Speaker 2: people would behave the way they ought to behave and

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Speaker 2: govern the way they ought to govern, versus the stone

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Speaker 2: cold reality of how that's never going to happen. The

665
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Speaker 2: system corrupts just about everybody who goes into it. People

666
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Speaker 2: even maybe with the best of intentions can't or won't

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Speaker 2: stand up for what's right and what's right is you

668
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Speaker 2: and what's best for you, and then you get stuff

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Speaker 2: like this, and it just seems like it's a daily,

670
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Speaker 2: very harsh reminder of just how deep, how just deep

671
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Speaker 2: in terms of the the cowardice from these elected people

672
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Speaker 2: to do what's right is and you're not digging out

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Speaker 2: of that any anytime sooner, probably ever in our lifetime.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it's a very sombering thing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And on that note, let's take a break when

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Speaker 4: we come back, and we can talk about.

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Speaker 1: Tariffs and how they're going to be affecting you. You're

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Speaker 1: going to lift us up.

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Speaker 4: We could talk about the sororities dancing on social media.

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Speaker 1: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three w ib C.

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Speaker 2: All right, you got to do something uplifting. This is

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Speaker 2: the last segment of the show today. We're counting on

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Speaker 2: you because you know I won't do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So do you want to talk about the price

685
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Speaker 4: of things getting expensive?

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Speaker 1: I said, it's uplifting. It's a final segment.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So we're not going to talk about looks. Do

688
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Speaker 4: it with a smile on our face. You're going to

689
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Speaker 4: see higher prices on toilet paper.

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Speaker 1: You're literally doing it. Chi catch up? Wait, what's going up?

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Speaker 4: Companies are going to be passing tariff costs on to you.

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Speaker 1: Ooh thought that I thought prices were going down.

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Speaker 4: So Procter and Gamble they have announced price hikes on

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Speaker 4: twenty five percent of their products starting next month. That

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Speaker 4: includes Sharman, Bounty, Pampers, Loves Tied Gain Puffs, Jill so.

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Speaker 2: This next month. So you better hurry up. If you

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Speaker 2: buy now, you could buy now, buy in bulk. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's the what's the price increase?

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Speaker 4: Are they saying the twenty five percent increase on some

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Speaker 4: of their products?

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Speaker 1: Who we're not talking about like five cents? Then? Correct?

702
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Speaker 2: Now this is where the public and see this is

703
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Speaker 2: the game, right, This is the the con This is

704
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Speaker 2: why Trump is so mad about Howell refusing to reduce

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Speaker 2: the interest rates. He's trying to get you to think

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Speaker 2: that the economy is fine by pumping a bunch of

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Speaker 2: money into the economy to hide.

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Speaker 1: Does this sound familiar?

709
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Speaker 2: Casey cut the interest rates to pump money into the

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Speaker 2: to hide the actions of the government. Huh, where did

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Speaker 2: we where did we hear that before? Where did that come?

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Speaker 1: What? Uh? Oh, it was called COVID. It's exactly what

713
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Speaker 1: they did during COVID. How'd that work out for your

714
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Speaker 1: buying prowess?

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Speaker 2: Casey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the long run, not so high exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what and this is why people this

718
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Speaker 2: way should never be anybody's team. She never have any

719
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Speaker 2: favorites because Trump is going to screw you big time,

720
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Speaker 2: and that's going to be the reality of the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't there's no the realities. We live in a

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Speaker 2: world economy. The ship is sailed. This is not Ross

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Speaker 2: Paro nineteen ninety two anymore. Right, that was the that

724
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Speaker 2: ship of sale. Now, can you make our can you

725
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: make our buying power greater? Can you make us stronger?

726
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Speaker 2: Can you get things that you want? From a political

727
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Speaker 2: perspective with teriffs? Yes, which is what they should have

728
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Speaker 2: been about the idea of We've always said, the idea

729
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Speaker 2: of stopping fentanyl coming into the country, bingo great. Use

730
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Speaker 2: those terar all day, every day to make Canada and

731
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Speaker 2: Mexico absolutely try to or not try but do crack

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Speaker 2: down on illegal drugs that are killing people left and right,

733
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Speaker 2: including young young kids, get them out of get them

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Speaker 2: out of this country. There's ain't nobody has any problem

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Speaker 2: with that. But when you're just everybody this country, that country,

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Speaker 2: that like, of course, the prices are going to go up,

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Speaker 2: and then for them to act like we're going to

738
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Speaker 2: give you again. Does this sound familiar. We're going to

739
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Speaker 2: send some money into your bank account. It's money you're

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Speaker 2: going to pay back in terms of the price increase.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So Hershey is another one that is expected to raise prices.

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons for Hershey is high cocoa costs,

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Speaker 4: but also the tariffs. Some of the brands that are

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Speaker 4: going to be infected affected, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be infected. You are a spot on

747
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Speaker 2: case effected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, include Reces and also kit Kat. Kraft.

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Speaker 4: Hines says that they will be raising their prices more

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Speaker 4: than they had originally planned, and that will include Heinz Care, Kraft,

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Speaker 4: mac and.

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Speaker 1: Cheese, also jell O.

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Speaker 4: They say that the price increase will be teriff related

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Speaker 4: cost pressure, but also slumping sales.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 4: We were not selling as much, so let's increase the price.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess to produce the same amount of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I look again, I maintain that people are buying

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Speaker 2: less because everything costs more.

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Speaker 1: They are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt when you go to the

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Speaker 2: grocery store, you absolutely tell me you don't.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, COVID was six years ago.

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Speaker 2: Now tell me that when you venture around the grocery

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Speaker 2: store you don't do it with the different strategy that

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Speaker 2: they did six years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you obviously have a more discerning eye and you're

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Speaker 4: probably choosing something less expensive, or you're doing much more

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Speaker 4: comparison on how many ounces is in this bottle versus

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Speaker 4: this bottle, So what's the price difference here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is this is all the fault of

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Speaker 2: the government. There was zero reason for COVID to ever

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Speaker 2: shut down society. Look, was COVID real? Of course, did

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Speaker 2: people get sick, yes, did they pass away, yes, tragically,

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Speaker 2: But ninety percent of the populace could have maintained a

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Speaker 2: pretty regular lifestyle. Would they have probably gotten COVID at

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Speaker 2: some point? Sure, most people did. Anyway, there's not one

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Speaker 2: person walking around and goes, well, I didn't get COVID

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Speaker 2: because because I know a lot of people who mass

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Speaker 2: they social distance. They rarely went out they still ended

782
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Speaker 2: up getting the thing. Hey, a virus did the virus stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's how it works. You could have kept ninety percent

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Speaker 2: of the population operational and going to work and doing

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Speaker 2: their stuff, and we would have got through the thing

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Speaker 2: quicker anyway, and it would have kept this insanity at bay.

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Speaker 2: But it sort of makes you think case that it

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Speaker 2: really wasn't about keeping you from getting COVID, that it

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Speaker 2: really was about governmental control over every facet of your existence.

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Speaker 4: And the question is will the prices drop again? Well, no, yeah,

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Speaker 4: experts are saying, yeah, no, you don't usually see price

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Speaker 4: deflation once a group has gotten used to paying a

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Speaker 4: higher price.

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Speaker 1: It's very much like your government. And once it's there,

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Speaker 1: it's going to stay there.

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Speaker 2: And here's what you're going to risk. And it will

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Speaker 2: take a while, it won't be overnight, and it may

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Speaker 2: take twenty or thirty years for this to play out

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Speaker 2: in full. But people are getting so sick of the

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Speaker 2: system as it operates, and you're seeing this like with

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Speaker 2: the price of bitcoin, they are going to start seeing

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Speaker 2: all they society takes buy in for society to function properly.

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Speaker 2: If everybody opted out of society, the society of society

804
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Speaker 2: couldn't operate. It's a voluntary compliance, right, and you're going

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00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: to start seeing more and more people take their voluntary

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Speaker 2: compliance and tell the government where to shove it. And

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Speaker 2: they're going to start operating outside of traditional means. I

808
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: mean like the dollar right, and that is you're going

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00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: to see a seismic shift in how government and society

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Speaker 2: operates over the next twenty or thirty years because people

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Speaker 2: won't be able to afford living. That's where people draw

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Speaker 2: the line when they can't afford living.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the latest trend.

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Speaker 4: You've probably seen lots of different videos beautiful girls dancing.

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Speaker 2: A little never in any.

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Speaker 3: Part count.

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Speaker 1: Bet up for sure.

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Speaker 4: So sorority recruitment campuses all over the country. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: the rush talk is flooding social media and it's the

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Speaker 4: sorority girls dancing and synchronized dances.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they have.

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Speaker 4: The outfit of the day posts or even costumes like

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Speaker 4: grease or Barbie or top gun.

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Speaker 2: It's a great marketing tool. You think, well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you're thinking about going to a college, I'm a

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Speaker 2: married person, so we'll bring Kevin on this one. If

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Speaker 2: you're thinking about attending a college, well, you can get

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Speaker 2: this fine degree, or you can look at this for

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Speaker 2: the next four years.

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Speaker 1: keV, what are you going to prioritize.

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Speaker 2: I could get this degree that probably won't take me

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Speaker 2: anywhere because society falling apart, or I can look at

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Speaker 2: this for the next four years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the scenery would be nice.

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Speaker 2: Casey, Every decision I ever made in my life is

836
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Speaker 2: about what I could look at for the longest amount

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Speaker 2: of time. This would totally sell me if I were

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Speaker 2: a young man pondering what sort of higher learning institution

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Speaker 2: I would be continuing my studies at.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of people are saying this is because

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Speaker 4: of the Sidney Sweeney ad and I don't know if

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Speaker 4: it has much to do with that, just because some

843
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: of the costumes they've chosen denim or you know, there's

844
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Speaker 4: different themes throughout them. But I think more than anything,

845
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Speaker 4: this is this generation saying we are glad that were

846
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Speaker 4: past COVID. They're not masked up, they're healthy, they're dancing,

847
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Speaker 4: they're having fun, and I am glad to see that

848
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Speaker 4: versus what we had been seeing.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, absolutely, people have permission in society now to

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Speaker 2: be normal again. And what's normal is dudes like looking

851
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Speaker 2: at hot chicks having fun, right like, remember the Girls

852
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Speaker 2: Gone Wild videos?

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Speaker 1: Why were they so popular?

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Speaker 2: Right by the way, No, no, no, Kenneth asked Rob,

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Speaker 2: are you now pro crypto?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I think it's as ridiculous as I did before. I'm

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Speaker 2: simply saying that people are going to keep opting out

859
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Speaker 2: of societal norms, and I think it's going to set

860
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Speaker 2: up a calamity for this country when you don't have

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Speaker 2: a collective buy and in society on how it works.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Rob, Thank you Kevin, Thank you for listening today.

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Speaker 4: This has been Kendall and Casey on ninety three wib

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Speaker 4: EC