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Speaker 4: It sounds like it sounds like those three they're not

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Speaker 4: I think the secondary is the better unit. I just

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Speaker 1: The Do you anticipate that there will be a trade?

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Speaker 1: I just I don't disagree with that, Joel. But I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, I think the thing is from from

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Speaker 1: even with Carson Wentz is an option. You had to

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Speaker 1: think that, right, I mean, yeah, both those guys are

431
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Speaker 1: better options than Carson Wentz even right.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, by light years, by light years you're watching,

433
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Speaker 4: you know, Donald's at five and two with the Seahawks.

434
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: Jones is doing what he's doing. If you're if you're Minnesota,

435
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Speaker 4: you gotta be thinking, you know, we invested the first

436
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Speaker 4: round pick, but maybe we should have gone with the

437
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Speaker 4: guy that that that's playing really well right now?

438
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Speaker 1: All right, last of Joel, because I know the locker

439
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Speaker 1: rooms about to open up. Joel a ericson Indie Star.

440
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: The thing that you're working on is you're getting ready

441
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: to go in and you are, you know, skulking around

442
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: in terms of today and the angle in which you're

443
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Speaker 1: going other than the injuries for the Colts. Give me

444
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Speaker 1: the storyline you have your eye on.

445
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Speaker 4: I'm looking at Tanner Borderleini right now. I'm looking at

446
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: the center for the Colts. I think the plate that

447
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: sticks out for everybody is him, you know, running down

448
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 4: a safety and picking him off of Tyler Warren. But

449
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 4: it feels like maybe we're watching a to me, like

450
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: a Pro Bowl caliber type center emerged for the Colts,

451
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Speaker 4: just in terms of all the stuff he can do.

452
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Speaker 4: So that's kind of where I'm where I'm focused on today.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Chris Bawler gets credit for that one,

454
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Speaker 1: because that was one that I'm curious, you know what

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like when he drafted him, we didn't know

456
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Speaker 1: which position specifically, and it has worked out. All right, Joel,

457
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Speaker 1: We'll let you get in the locker room appreciate the

458
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: time as always in Go Blue Jays, right.

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Speaker 4: Oh, of course is it like that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that what you want? That's light? What

461
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Speaker 1: are we going with?

462
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Speaker 4: What's the best one? Is it molten lette? What are

463
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Speaker 4: we talking about?

464
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Speaker 1: Well, they got they got one up there that you

465
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Speaker 1: can get called a barking squirrel. But you can't get

466
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Speaker 1: that here right now. That's the one. I mean, it's

467
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: kind of barking squirrels. Like any of those Wisconsin beers

468
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: you always ask the beer fairy to deliver that are

469
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: out of season. You just can't get them right.

470
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Speaker 4: So you know, well, and I heard the beer fairy

471
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Speaker 4: doesn't pay terriffs.

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Speaker 1: That's right. The beer faery is stuck at the border. Right.

473
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Speaker 1: There's an issue there, all right, Joe, we'll let you

474
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Speaker 1: get to work. Appreciate it, okay, okay, we'll Joel a

475
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Speaker 1: Ericson heading into the locker room. There is something that

476
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Speaker 1: I have noticed of late that is not getting enough credit,

477
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Speaker 1: not getting enough credit that needs to be discussed in

478
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Speaker 1: this town with sports. Glad you're thinking of me, Jake.

479
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: The time is now and it does not involve Eddie Garrison,

480
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Speaker 1: it doesn't, but it does involve girth and insulation. Anything

481
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Speaker 1: you'd like to add there ready, No I'll let you know. Next,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you two things that have happened in

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Speaker 1: this town in the last oh, I don't know, a

484
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Speaker 1: couple of years, but one of them more recently, they

485
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Speaker 1: finally finished the steps on the monument. Let's not get

486
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Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves. By the way, this song right here

487
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: was the number one song the last time the Colts

488
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Speaker 1: won in Pittsburgh. It's been that long. It's a great

489
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Speaker 1: song though, two thousand and eight, yes, November of eight,

490
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Speaker 1: the last time the Colts won in Pittsburgh. Thinking of

491
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Speaker 1: Paul the Mailman for reminding me of that. Now, if

492
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: sometimes things happen for teams and franchises, then at the

493
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Speaker 1: time it's just a little you don't even notice it,

494
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Speaker 1: and then you look back retro actively and say, this

495
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Speaker 1: is where Now, what a brilliant move at the time,

496
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Speaker 1: or what a brilliant move now that at the time

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Speaker 1: I didn't think of. But it wasn't raining when Noah

498
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: built the arc. Okay, sometimes you got to think ahead.

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Speaker 1: For example, late in the season last year, and when

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Speaker 1: I say last year, I mean last season, but actually

501
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: like five months ago, four months ago. The Pacers made

502
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: a move that you didn't think much of at the time,

503
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: where you learned that they recaptured their first round pick

504
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, and at the time you thought, okay, great,

505
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Speaker 1: so they've got their first round pick back. They're in

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. They may win it. Miles Turner is

507
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: going to resign. Tyrese Halliburton, who's had this incredible run,

508
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: is going to come back. They're going to be going

509
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Speaker 1: for a repeat, and they're going to hold on to

510
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Speaker 1: the thirty first pick. Great, it's going to be some

511
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Speaker 1: guy that probably is going to be a G League

512
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Speaker 1: player because they don't have roster spots. And they made

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Speaker 1: that move, and lo and behold, here we are and

514
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Speaker 1: you look at this year. And I'm not saying that

515
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Speaker 1: we are watching the year circle the dream, but we

516
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Speaker 1: knew it was going to be a year for the

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Speaker 1: Pacers of you know, maybe seeing where some guys are.

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Speaker 1: I did think, and we continued to clarify it with

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Speaker 1: if healthy, but I did think, if healthy, it was

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Speaker 1: a team that was going to win over forty two games.

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Speaker 1: But so far they're not healthy, and we'll see how

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Speaker 1: they rebound from that. It is a long year, and

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Speaker 1: we have to remind ourselves that a year ago, when

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Speaker 1: nem Hard and Niesmith were out at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the season, it was like, what happened? The Pacers were

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Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference finals and now they're struggling. Well,

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Speaker 1: then by the end of the year you saw, you know,

528
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Speaker 1: they were clicking on all cylinders. Does that happen this year?

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Speaker 1: We shall see but a stroke of brilliance to recapture

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Speaker 1: again that first round pick, because now you realize the

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Speaker 1: value in that pick. Chris Ballard, the other executive in town,

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Speaker 1: on the other side of town, Chris Ballard, is somebody

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Speaker 1: that we and I'm as guilty as anybody condemned on

534
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Speaker 1: the regular of building and designing a football team archaically

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Speaker 1: and doing so with the pieces and the positions that

536
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Speaker 1: were deemed to be dinosaurs in the twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three era of NFL football.

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Speaker 1: Why in the world are you going out and in

539
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: the top ten picks of the draft taking a guard?

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Speaker 4: Ugh?

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Speaker 1: Why are you building around? Okay, we're we're going to

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Speaker 1: run the ball. What is this nineteen eighty four You're

543
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Speaker 1: gonna try to get Frank o'harrison Seattle, Earl Campbell available,

544
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Speaker 1: You're gonna try to pluck him away from New Orleans?

545
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Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Yeah, our best players defensively

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Speaker 1: are linebackers. What is this like? Are we building a

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Speaker 1: team around? And I remember at the time saying, is

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Speaker 1: this like the NBA We're going to try to build

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Speaker 1: a team with Sam Cassell, Charles Oakley and Patrick Ewing

550
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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenties. It's positionless basketball? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: It's archaic? But if, as I have done, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give, for example, the Pacers a ton of credit,

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Speaker 1: as I did during the NBA Finals, of the fact

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Speaker 1: that they were able to put together a roster piece

555
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Speaker 1: by piece that then complimented and once it was all done,

556
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Speaker 1: you saw the finality of the jigsaw puzzle and went,

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Speaker 1: you know what, that is a really good looking piece

558
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: of work right there. Like put that in a frame

559
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: because all the pieces came together and it's a beautiful tapestry.

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00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, and I'm gonna say that

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00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: about the Pacers, I've got to say it about the

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Speaker 1: Colts because of the way that they're playing right now.

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Speaker 1: And I will give Chris Ballard his flowers, and I

564
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: will give him his due with this. Those pieces that

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: fit together start on the offensive line, with Quentin Nelson,

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Speaker 1: who is clearly the pillar that is not only mobile

567
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: and not only can pull and create paths, but also

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Speaker 1: is maintaining and driving a force six yards away from

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage as Jonathan Taylor's bursting through a hole.

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Speaker 1: This is not a new revelation what I'm telling you.

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: This is not some new discovery that, yes, Quentin Nelson

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Speaker 1: is really good on the offensive line, but at the

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Speaker 1: time if he was your only lineman, are you shooting

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Speaker 1: off rockets over there?

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Speaker 2: Eddywell, that's the that's the plane that's getting ready to

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: fly me out to Dallas tonight to suit him for

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00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Is that? Can people hear that?

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Speaker 5: Home?

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Speaker 1: No, scoot your mic over by that and see people

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Speaker 1: can hear that? We got a computer fan that's going

582
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: over there? How is your what's the what's the computer

583
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Speaker 1: maker that had the cowprint everywhere? What was the maker

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Speaker 1: on that one gateway? No, he's at your gateway? Oh

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00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: eight over there. From the last time the Colts won

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00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, either way, Quentin Nelson in this offensive line

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Speaker 1: at the time that Nelson was like your centerpiece. It's like, yeah, okay, great,

588
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: so they're good at guard. Okay, fine, But Chris Ballard

589
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: in putting together this offensive line, you just heard Joel

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Speaker 1: Erickson talking about Tanner Bordolini, who when they drafted him,

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Speaker 1: they already had Ryan Kelly, and Bordolini is one that

592
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: coming out of college had played a couple of different

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Speaker 1: positions on the line, and it's like, no, this is

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Speaker 1: going to be our center. He I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: he's next to Quentin Nelson. That gives him some perhaps

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: flexibility there. Right the third round, I believe it was

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Speaker 1: in the third round they take Matt Gonzalvas and at

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Speaker 1: the time you think, really, okay, I mean I'm really

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Speaker 1: I mean a guard in round three out of Pitt

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Speaker 1: I mean, big, heavy guy, but okay. But then you

601
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Speaker 1: put next to him, and again it was easy to

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00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: critique at the time because Braden Smith then last year

603
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: missed so much time. But you put Braden Smith back

604
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Speaker 1: in there instead of Dalton Tucker, for example, and each

605
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: piece of that offensive line perfectly meshes with what lines

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Speaker 1: up alongside it. Bernard Ryman's another one. Bernard Ryman was

607
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: a guy that when they drafted him, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of question did they overreach here? And at the

609
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: time you thought to yourself, they needed a tackle. And

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Speaker 1: we've had stability in this town at that position, probably

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Speaker 1: more than any other franchise because you had Anthony Costanzo,

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00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: you had Tarrek. You just went seamless. And that is

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00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: a position that a lot of places it is a turnstile,

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00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: not just in the guy that's there, but in the

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00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: personnel that's trying that position. But what's interesting to me

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Speaker 1: is each person on the offensive line for the most part,

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Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson being the exception, but he is the key

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00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: cod to it all. But all of the people on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line have had something in the past where

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Speaker 1: you wondered whether or not they were even at their

621
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Speaker 1: natural position or whether it wasn't a stretch for them.

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Speaker 1: But offensive line is a position where oftentimes the sum

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Speaker 1: can be better than the individual parts. And they have

624
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: very good individual parts. But many of those parts were

625
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: at the era of when they were placed there thought

626
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: to be a stretch, but they were individual pieces of

627
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: a jigsaw puzzle that have come together masterfully. It is

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00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: arguably the best offensive line in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor is an elite talent with elite burst and

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00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: elite vision, but he is running behind holes that Eddie

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Speaker 1: and I could go through.

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Speaker 2: Do you see the one the other against Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: It was not a hole. It was an entire avenue

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: of the field, right, I mean, it was the parting

635
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: of the seas. And if we or in this case,

636
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: I are going to sit here on these airwaves and

637
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: crush Chris Ballard on the regular for an archaic or

638
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: an outside the box level of thinking in acquisition of personnel,

639
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: while at the same time praising, for example, the Pacers

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00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: because their vision was coming to fruition, then right now

641
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: we need to do the same thing to Chris Ballad

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00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: and say, you know what actually and whether he knew it,

643
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Speaker 1: whether it was by his own design, is irrelevant. The

644
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: bottom line is when he was acquiring those players, each

645
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: individually had question mark, but now together as a unit,

646
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: it is as good, if not better than every single

647
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: one of them in the National Football League. And that

648
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: offensive line. We can talk about the quarterback, we can

649
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: talk about the running back, we can talk about the

650
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: wide array of offensive weapons. We can talk about Tyler

651
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: Warren and the way that it stretches away from the

652
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: line a defense out, but that offensive line is as

653
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Speaker 1: solid as it gets and Chris Ballard deserves a lot

654
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: of credit there, and for those, notably me, who sat

655
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: there and questioned each piece as it came along. Guilty

656
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: is charged wrong, and credit to them.

657
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Speaker 2: He's probably going to win Executive of the Year at

658
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Speaker 2: this rate.

659
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Speaker 1: The NFL stands for not for long, which means if

660
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: you don't produce, that's exactly how long you're going to

661
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: be around. But in the case of Chris Ballard, he

662
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: defied that. And now not for long probably stands for

663
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: the level of the length of time that a label

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Speaker 1: sticks to somebody when you turn your year around, because

665
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: at the beginning you are correct. A year ago, Eddie,

666
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: it was how how long is he going to be here?

667
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: How much longer is he going to be here? How

668
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: much more time is he going to get? Why is

669
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: his Why do we have a general manager that's been

670
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: here this long and has a playoff win? And now

671
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: not but that that that mantra, but he also has

672
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: to know not for long. If it goes south again,

673
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: we're right back to that, but enjoy it while it's

674
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: here because and there's no reason I believe with Daniel Jones,

675
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: with Shane Stiken, with Jonathan Taylor, it's all come together.

676
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: They're on the prespice of what winning the first AC

677
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: South in the ballad era right correct?

678
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Every other team in the division has won multiple AFC

679
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 1: Souths since the Colts last did it. Now, other side

680
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: of town, you heard Eddie mention it. Eddie is getting

681
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: ready to to get himself on a bird and head

682
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: down to Dallas because he's gonna be out there slinging around.

683
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: The rock.

684
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: Pacers are in a situation now at the guard position.

685
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: Please put your table in the upright position, your tray

686
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: in the upright position, because we are on our way.

687
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: If you can play point guard, if you can play

688
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: guard maxon generation of twenty four thousand feet today twenty

689
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: four you're ten thousand short. Eddie going down the right

690
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: him number that's probably about right. We'll see if the

691
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Wi fi works. If the Wi Fi works, then it's

692
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: going to be better than the back court for the

693
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: Pacers right now, not because of a knock on the players,

694
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: but the personnel in general. It is literally it's Oprah Winfrey.

695
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: You can play point and you can play point. We'll

696
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: let you know the latest on the health status or

697
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: lack their rup for Indiana. Next Pacers and Action tonight

698
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: they are taking on the Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle's old

699
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: stomping grounds. Also of note, by the way, that took

700
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: place over an hour and a half ago or so.

701
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: Marco Andretti, who, of course as a rookie one of

702
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: Christenari's great calls can a teenager win at Indianapolis back

703
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six when he was leading the race.

704
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: He had passed his father for the lead late and

705
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: came within literally feet of winning the race before Sam

706
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: Hornish got passed him. Marco Andretti today announcing, after twenty

707
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: starts in the Indianapolis five hundred and thirty years in racing,

708
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: his retirement from open wheel racing and the Indianapolis five hundred.

709
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: So Marco who was a pole sitter and finished in

710
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: gosh I think four or five different times top ten

711
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: finishes at the Indianapolis five hundred. But Marco Andretti announcing

712
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: his retirement today. Okay, the pacers tonight, Eddie, you may

713
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: have to get. As you are producing the broadcast tonight,

714
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast with Mark Boyle, Eddie Gil Pat Boylan,

715
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: you are going to be probably consistently referencing different outlets

716
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: to familiarize yourself with those that are on the floor.

717
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't mean it to say that it's at the

718
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: level that it was after the brawl, when they were

719
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: basically going out. We talked about it yesterday with Rick

720
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Carlisle talking to the morning show guys about it, you know,

721
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: when they just had to piece meal together a roster.

722
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: But it does from an injury standpoint, raise some interesting

723
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: questions for them, including would this be a situation where

724
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: how much of this is precaution I guess is what

725
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and how much of it is knowing the

726
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: reality of where the year is and thus, you know,

727
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: in a precaution in that aspect of if they were

728
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: full throttle and expected to be a title contender again

729
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: this year, would some of this be pushed through neither

730
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: here nor there? Perhaps, But they are devastated right now

731
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: by injuries.

732
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Speaker 2: Talking about the pacers, are you asking pretty much if

733
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: I feel like any of these guys would be out

734
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: there if the season was different, like if the outlook

735
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: on the season was different.

736
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and we don't know the severity of

737
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: some of the I mean, I'm not discrediting the fact

738
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: that they're injuries, you know what I mean. But you

739
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: do wonder sometimes that makes it sound like I'm questioning

740
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: the validity of it. That's not in its seriousness, you

741
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I mean how much should

742
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: we be concerned? Right for Obi Toppin's injury, I think

743
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: is one that there is concern because and Ralph Friefkin

744
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: to join us coming up in just about ten minutes

745
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: will give us better indication here. But when you start

746
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: talking about things like sore foot due to stress that

747
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: that sort of terminology, is that preventative meaning there is

748
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: concern that that could morph into something far more severe

749
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: and debilitating. I don't know the answer to that, but

750
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: I think that it's some to keep an eye on,

751
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, mathering for example, the toe injury. If this

752
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: was a situation where they're vying for the four seed

753
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: with a month ago in the season, does he push

754
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: through that versus the situation they're in.

755
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: Now, that's a good question on that part. I mean,

756
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: I know he was in a boot after that Memphis

757
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: game on Saturday, so at least there was some level

758
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: of seriousness in terms of pain there, and it looked

759
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: pretty good walking around yesterday, you know, shoot around. He

760
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: was getting up some shots for the Pacers. But I

761
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: think Carlisle listened to him as what we.

762
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Tweak Johnny Furfey the same, right, Johnny Furfey with a

763
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: foot injury. Obviously, we are aware that Tyres Haliburton out

764
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Cam Jones has yet. Cam Jones is a curveball in

765
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: all of this as well, because here is a player

766
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: that I think they have very high expectation towards and

767
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: they'd like to get out there, and there is ample

768
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: opportunity right now for him to get minutes, except for

769
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: that he himself is also injured. Yeah, with the back injury,

770
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: are we gonna see mac McClung tonight.

771
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have to write, I mean, continuing

772
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: the fact that the healthy guards right now are Ray J.

773
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: Dennis and Quinton Jackson, who is coming off a hamstring injury.

774
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: He only played ten minutes on Sunday.

775
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, Peter is also hurt, who to me feels

776
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: like a Ben Shepherd kind of player, but he was

777
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: one of He may have been in the Pacers opener

778
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: he was, If not, I think he and Toppen came

779
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: in together. First two players off the bench. Probably Shepherd's

780
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: getting log a lot of minutes. Jaris Walker, you would

781
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: think becomes big. The one silver lining in this would

782
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: be that at some point you're going to look back

783
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: and say, there are players for the Pacers that got

784
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: significant minutes and that could help them in the long run.

785
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Once they and it may be a while from now,

786
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: but once they're at the point where they are full

787
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: throttle from a health standpoint, and certainly we know that

788
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: that is at minimum one year from right now. But

789
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: when that's the case, they are going to have they're

790
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: going to again be not that they weren't already. Assuming

791
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: that the roster stays intact and everybody gets back to

792
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: the point where their one hundred percent, they're going to

793
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: be the deepest team in the league. They already were, really,

794
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: but you're in a situation now where you get even

795
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: more opportunity to add to that depth. Ralph Freef will

796
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: go over with us some of the injuries from around

797
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: sports and notably the Pacers, and he'll do it next

798
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: one o'clock on a Wednesday. How are you? My name

799
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: is Jake Querry Eddie Garrison, the other voice you hear

800
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: on this program.

801
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: You know, Jake, I'm dragging a little bit, so once

802
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: you can go in with Ralph Reefield, I'm gonna get

803
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: me a cup and put some water in. Anythink I'm

804
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: gonna have one of those regular energies from Java House.

805
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: You know, I don't uh with the peach screen tea.

806
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you go to java house dot com,

807
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: you can enter in my name or one oh seven

808
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Speaker 1: five the fan under the search bar, and you get

809
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: the Quarry Bundle, which includes Wrangular Energy and the Colombian

810
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: Coffee and the Liquid Science, and you get twenty five

811
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Speaker 1: percent off by using Jake twenty five.

812
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Speaker 2: Now, have you tried a suicide of putting all those

813
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Speaker 2: together and see how that would taste?

814
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: Don't you remember in Little League that was the best, right,

815
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: you put put everything all together in one I don't

816
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: know that they would want that that terminology used, but

817
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: that's certainly what we used in anytime. That like snow

818
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: cones all that, right.

819
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: You know, allah flavors like snow cones are like you're

820
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: out like in my case, travel base while you're out

821
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: with the team after you.

822
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: Know, pick up a winter wherever you go somewhere and.

823
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: It's self serving and you're like, oh, I dare you

824
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: to get all these mixed into one cup.

825
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: The liquid science you can mix with about anything, the

826
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: orange and the Arctic Blue. Joining us now, by the

827
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Speaker 1: way on the Java House, Peel and Port guest line.

828
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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef of Ralph Reef dot Com. That's ore ei

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Speaker 1: ff Reef Executive Performance Solutions. It has become perhaps the

830
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: best segment we do each and every week. I think

831
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: it probably is the best segment we do in terms

832
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: of just injury updates from the guy who knows it

833
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: as well as anybody. Ralph Freef. Ralph, how are you?

834
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 6: I'm doing very well, Jake, thank you.

835
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with this. I I was talking about this, Ralph,

836
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: and I'm adult. I mean with this, we know okay,

837
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: when you look at the Pacers injury list, and let

838
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: me read for those that are listening, the injury list

839
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: as it appears right now heading into their game tonight

840
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: with Dallas, Obi Toppin is out with a right foot

841
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: stress reaction. Benedict Mathern is out with a right great

842
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: toe sprain. Johnny Furfey is out with a sore left foot,

843
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Nimhart is out with the left shoulder strain that

844
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: we're aware of. Okay, Cam Jones, who is their rookie,

845
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 1: is out with a lower lower back stress reaction. TJ.

846
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: McConnell out with the left hamstring strain, Tyrese Haliburton, of

847
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: course the achilles, and then Tailan Peter is out or doubtful,

848
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: I should say, with a right groin strain. But let's

849
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: begin with toppin a right foot stress reaction. Ralph, I'm

850
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: a moron, but my concern with that is when I

851
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: hear foot stress reaction, I wonder if that means they

852
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: have to be preventative because of fear that that could

853
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: lead to something more severe as somebody myself who has

854
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: fractured part of my foot. Am I off base?

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Speaker 5: There?

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00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 7: No, you're You're spot on, and so my thinking is

857
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Speaker 7: that ob in discussions with their medical team, suggested that

858
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Speaker 7: he's got some discomfort in his foot. They were probably

859
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Speaker 7: very aggressive and got imaging of that, and upon reviewing

860
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Speaker 7: the image, there was signaling or a difference in the

861
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 7: coloration of whether they used a CT scan or an MRI,

862
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Speaker 7: and I realized that he's got some stress reaction in

863
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Speaker 7: the bone. Doesn't mean the bones fractured, doesn't mean there's

864
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 7: a crack. It's not a stress fracture. It's a stress reaction,

865
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Speaker 7: which is similar to having a cold but not having

866
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Speaker 7: the flu.

867
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Speaker 1: Okay, And the when I think of the bone, Ralph,

868
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: all I know is that, like you know, the bone

869
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: is just like this super hard material, right, and then

870
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Speaker 1: in the inside of it you've got a marrow in it.

871
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: But what exactly when you hear stress reaction and you

872
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: mentioned a discoloration, that would mean that the bone has

873
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: been compromised in what way? Is it a softening? Is

874
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: it simply a bruising? What in layman terms that would mean? Specifically?

875
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 7: What it means that the bone hasn't been able to

876
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 7: disperse the energy that's gone through it. Typically these occur

877
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Speaker 7: the highest percentage occur in the second and third toe,

878
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 7: not in the not in the piggly wigglies that you

879
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 7: can reach down and and and touch, but but but

880
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 7: in the ball of the foot. So the second and

881
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 7: third metatarsal, which are the the hard bones that that

882
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 7: create the ball of the foot and and so that

883
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Speaker 7: bone has not been able to handle the stress that's

884
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Speaker 7: been put on it.

885
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Speaker 1: When you're doing examinations on elite level athletes, do you

886
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: typically refer to them as the pig? I'd like to

887
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: think you do, right, the piggly wigglies.

888
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 7: Well, we we keep things simple and and so, you know,

889
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 7: another way of thinking about the stress reaction is if

890
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Speaker 7: you take a if you take a twig off of

891
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Speaker 7: a tree, let's say a sycamore tree or a tulip

892
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 7: tree here in Indiana, and you bend it back and forth,

893
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 7: bend it back and forth, and it starts to fray

894
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 7: a little bit, but it doesn't snap's that's a stress reaction.

895
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Speaker 7: You've created some disruption of the materials on the inside

896
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Speaker 7: or around the layers of the twig. And that's what's

897
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Speaker 7: happened with a stress reaction.

898
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: And is there typically a uniform amount of time that

899
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: then that twig, then if you lay it back down,

900
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Speaker 1: you know, goes back to repairing itself in the case

901
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Speaker 1: of the bone here, to not being you know, having

902
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Speaker 1: that reaction, if you will, and getting itself back to

903
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: normal form. Is there a pretty uniform amount of time?

904
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Speaker 1: Ralph or is it literally different for every single human being.

905
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Speaker 7: No, there is a standard that I like to use

906
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Speaker 7: and have used in my careers that is twenty one

907
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Speaker 7: days from the date of onset and so and that's biology.

908
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 7: And I always I learned from a really good surgeon

909
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 7: many many many years.

910
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 6: Ago, you can't fool biology.

911
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 7: And so the body within those three weeks is it's

912
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 7: going to lay down some new material, it's going to

913
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Speaker 7: heal it, it's going to strengthen it back, and it's

914
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 7: going to get healthy. Now there's a lot of other factors.

915
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 7: So here come all the other factors.

916
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: Footwear, how are.

917
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 7: They going to manage his weight bearing or non weight

918
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 7: bearing houses, nutrition pattern, ben what's his vitamin D levels?

919
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 7: And those those all have factors within. Does this become

920
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 7: a three weeks or less window where they reimage it

921
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 7: and the picture is clear, it's normal, or in three

922
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 7: weeks do they reimage it and it's still has markers

923
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 7: of saying, you know, we're making progress, but we're not

924
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 7: there yet. And that's where it becomes individualized away from

925
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Speaker 7: sort of the textbook of biology.

926
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Speaker 1: When you mention the foot in general. Ralphrief is my

927
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Speaker 1: guest on the Joba House, Peelmporg guest line Ralphreef dot

928
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Speaker 1: Com where you can see his unbelievable resume and the

929
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Speaker 1: things that he's doing now medically speaking, when you look

930
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Speaker 1: at it, Ralph and with these injuries, Johnny Furfey simply

931
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: a sore foot right Benedict Mathern, and we saw the

932
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Speaker 1: contact that leads to a toast brain for Mathern. In

933
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Speaker 1: this situation with Obie Toppin. One of the things that

934
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Speaker 1: is unique to this Pacer season that has not been

935
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: the case in the past is the short off season

936
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Speaker 1: because of the fact they were playing, especially in the

937
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Speaker 1: case of Obi Toppin through June. How much of these

938
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Speaker 1: could be cumulative lifetime achieved awards of the foot finally

939
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: saying enough I need a break.

940
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Speaker 7: Well, it's a great discussion point is this amount of

941
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 7: off season.

942
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Speaker 6: So if we count days.

943
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Speaker 7: And I'm I've always been a numbers person, as I said,

944
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 7: twenty one days, three weeks on a stress reaction. So

945
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Speaker 7: it's been one hundred and eleven days from June twenty second,

946
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 7: that that last day of the NBA season until the

947
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 7: Pacers and most of the other teams in the league

948
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 7: opened their exhibition season, So it was one hundred and

949
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 7: eleven days between games for the Indiana Pacers.

950
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Speaker 4: You know, you keep you.

951
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 7: Go backwards, and let's say you add on thirty days

952
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: and thirty days. Let's say they were eliminated in the

953
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Speaker 7: first round in April. Now, all of a sudden, you're

954
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Speaker 7: looking at one hundred and forty days, one hundred and

955
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 7: sixty days of But what I want to throw into

956
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 7: this that I see because when I was on a

957
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 7: college campus, I was at Butler University the last seven years,

958
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 7: and their men's and women's basketball program. We brought our

959
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 7: athletes in somewhere between May fifteenth and June fifth, depends

960
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 7: on if they were freshmen, their high school graduation, if

961
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 7: they were transferring in, and so forth. And so you know,

962
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Speaker 7: Butler goes on the court tonight, Purdue goes on the

963
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 7: court tonight. Those kids have been involved in back So

964
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 7: the physical accumulation is one factor, but the mental stress

965
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 7: is the other factor. And so you take the Indiana

966
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 7: Pacers Oklahoma City unbelievable seasons, right and we're so proud

967
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 7: of the Indiana Pacers to get to the end of June.

968
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 7: And so you think in that compressed time, how much

969
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 7: of their life was compressed. I'm not talking about the physical.

970
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 7: Somebody was didn't have enough time for the body to

971
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 7: fully recover. Yeah, one hundred days is a long time

972
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 7: for the amazing human body, right, And and so I'm

973
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 7: not as much on that as I am in the

974
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 7: in the mental framework, the mindfulness, the hay did I

975
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 7: miss my family reunion that we always have on you know,

976
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 7: June tenth because we were in the NBA finals. Hey,

977
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 7: did I get to go to my aunt's funeral because

978
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 7: of this?

979
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 6: And that?

980
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 7: Did I We had a trip planned and now we

981
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 7: can't go on it. Just all of these mental things. Hey,

982
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: I was planning on being a sponsor for a shoe

983
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 7: company and I missed the I missed the cruise. You

984
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 7: see what I'm saying, James.

985
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot.

986
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 7: There's a lot that got compressed out of their normal lives.

987
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 7: And I think that the there's so much research that

988
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 7: maps the neurologic, the mental state of mind to physical

989
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 7: well being and healing. It's just there's research that points

990
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 7: for that as being a factor. I think the short

991
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 7: window of getting away from the profession has had an

992
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 7: effect on both teams.

993
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, Ralph, along those lines, people that

994
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: are listening that you know, are just going to work

995
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: every day, you get the kids going to school, and

996
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, in life in general, right, and they're not

997
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: professional athletes. I mean, I'm not a professional athlete. You're

998
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: not a professional athlete. But what I'm getting there from

999
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: what you're saying is, aside from the beauty of the

1000
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: fun of being able to hear seagulls on the beach,

1001
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: for those of us that are fortunate enough to be

1002
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: able to do so, it sounds to me like what

1003
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, Ralph, is there is a component where it

1004
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: is good for the human body to occasionally, you know,

1005
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: once a year, or if you're fortunate enough, twice a

1006
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: year or so, to just get away and take say

1007
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: a week to get away from things.

1008
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 6: Is that a fair statement, the very fair statement, you know,

1009
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 6: and I heard it within your own colleagues of when

1010
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 6: the NBA season was opening and you're putting pacer games

1011
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 6: on your network and whether it's Christenary or Mark Boyle

1012
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 6: or anybody saying, wow, here we are again, that was quick, right,

1013
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 6: And so.

1014
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 7: It compresses everybody and how that translates to the elite

1015
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 7: athlete body that has to perform in October at an

1016
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 7: elite level when they're they weren't maybe looking forward to

1017
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 7: camp with the same enthusiasm and anticipation as if they

1018
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 7: had been beaten in the second round and have a

1019
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 7: chip on their shoulder.

1020
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: Ralph one of the things that when we look at

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Speaker 1: Ralphrief as our guest ralphreef dot com, the website r

1022
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: eiff the sticking with the pacers before we move to

1023
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: the colts here. I have been very curious to watch

1024
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson because he was an elite level springboard type player.

1025
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: He had an achilles injury. He is back from said injury,

1026
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: and it's only you know, we're inside of five games here.

1027
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I have been watching it because I've been curious to

1028
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: see it. I know everybody is different, but because Tyrese

1029
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Haliburton is going to be coming back from the same injury,

1030
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: I have been curious to see how much athleticism it

1031
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: would appear Isaiah Jackson may have lost you to the

1032
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: achilles or the time away. What is a fair amount

1033
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: of time to allow him to play before we can

1034
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: truly assess what and where he is going to be.

1035
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 7: Well that's a lot of times in recovery from those

1036
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Speaker 7: types of injuries, whether it's an anti recruciate ligament, a

1037
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 7: major joint injury right, or major soft tissue like the

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Speaker 7: Achilles tendant. There there were often put into a situation

1039
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 7: in professional sports for pay for play where there's sometimes

1040
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 7: we have to get back in, get the athlete back

1041
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 7: in to play into shape and the body learning how

1042
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 7: to adjust to.

1043
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 5: The rigor of play.

1044
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 7: As I said last week or a couple of weeks ago,

1045
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 7: we have yet to reproduce game Ocean game level speed

1046
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Speaker 7: in a machine. We can't. We can't get him at

1047
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 7: that level until we get him at that level, so

1048
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 7: to speak. And so we can't put Isaiah Jackson in

1049
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 7: a game like situation until he's in games. And then

1050
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 7: at that point he accelerates his level of play neurologically, physically, emotionally,

1051
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 7: and then now the body starts to become acclimatized to that.

1052
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 7: And so playing into his normal hops all right, is

1053
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 7: going to take some time. His body needs to feel it,

1054
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 7: understand it, and then make the these micro adjustments. And

1055
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Speaker 7: we've seen it over and over again that somebody sort

1056
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 7: of comes out of the gate a little less than

1057
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 7: they were. But the only way you can get there

1058
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Speaker 7: is in gameplay.

1059
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Speaker 1: As part of that psychological you know, just in terms

1060
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Speaker 1: of I think I've mentioned to you before, Ralph that

1061
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned it on the radio, probably enough

1062
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Speaker 1: that people are tired of hearing it. But you know,

1063
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Speaker 1: when I came back from with cardio rehab, it was

1064
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Speaker 1: so to me. I remember going into cardio rehab and

1065
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Speaker 1: being like, I don't need to be here. I just

1066
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Speaker 1: ran forty miles like two weeks ago. And then I'm like, well,

1067
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Speaker 1: you know what, though I'm a cardio patient here right

1068
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: and psychologically speaking, I was so worried about the health

1069
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Speaker 1: of my heart and to be able to have them

1070
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Speaker 1: look at it and see me on a treadmill and

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01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: get the peace of mind of no, you are on

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: the right path here. Psychologically it was so big because

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: my brain was telling my body to slow down a

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01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit. Is there an element of that that also

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: comes into play, say with an Isaiah Jackson or any

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01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: player coming off injury.

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Speaker 7: Yes, So, within the realm of sports psychology behavioral psychology,

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01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 7: there is a part of that practice that takes an

1079
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 7: athlete with an injury and their return to play. That

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01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 7: evaluates and mentors that athlete on their level of confidence,

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01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 7: and it's very public. Again, there's been lots of things

1082
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 7: written on this, lots of talks. Doctor Adam Shank, who's

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01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 7: a great sports psychologist here in the Indianapolis area, uses

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 7: that tool. We used it about the university. I'm sure

1085
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 7: he uses it and it really gives feedback to the

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01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 7: athlete as to well, I think I'm ready, but boy,

1087
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 7: as I go through this evaluation process, hey, doc, I realize, yeah,

1088
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 7: I'm holding back a little bitter. I've got some fears.

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 7: Let's work through that. And that's the value of a

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 7: sports psychologists. So there are you have to gain your confidence.

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Speaker 7: I was up at Ball State this morning with Coachy

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 7: Rimovich and their staff for practice and he showed a

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 7: clip of Kobe Bryant talking about preparing himself from a

1094
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 7: very early age and it was about just out working

1095
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 7: everybody and getting your reps to the point to where

1096
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 7: it becomes subconscious, and that's where you have to get back.

1097
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 7: You can't go on the court thinking about.

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01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: Boy, this feels like that.

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Speaker 7: That was the move I made right before I tore

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01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 7: my achilles a year ago or Hey, I got bumped

1101
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 7: going into the lane on this. You've got to get

1102
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 7: rid of those thoughts. And the only way you can

1103
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 7: get rid of those thoughts is play a game and

1104
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 7: have professional support sports psychology to help along the way.

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: Taiekwan Lewis of the Colts. Ralph is still not practicing.

1106
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's practiced yet today, but he

1107
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: has not yet this week with the groin injury. Typical

1108
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: time frame I know we've talked about groins before. Typical

1109
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: time frame for something like that in a general vacuum

1110
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: would be what.

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01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 7: Really tough to answer, Jake. And so you know, if

1112
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 7: and I don't know if he's a repeat offender, if

1113
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 7: he's had this injury before over the last couple of years,

1114
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 7: that would sometimes shorten the return to play. And but

1115
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 7: again it's it's such a critical component to single leg

1116
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 7: stance and being able to rotate over your hips and

1117
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 7: so forth. But two to four weeks it would be

1118
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 7: the window that I would put on it of being

1119
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 7: somewhat normalizing would be two to four weeks from date

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Speaker 7: of injury.

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Speaker 1: Ralph. Before I let you go, you mentioned something that

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01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: jumped out at me about Obie top and just in

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01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: general foot injuries or foot pain, et cetera. One of

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: the things I like about having you on here is,

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: like I said, very few of us, you know, obviously

1126
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: nobody on the radio right now talking has been a

1127
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: professional athlete, right and very few get to that level.

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Speaker 1: But the number of people that are listening that have kids, adolescents,

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe high schoolers, maybe even young kids that are trying

1130
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: out sports for the first time. And now we know

1131
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: about you know, year round sports and all of that.

1132
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: And when you get kids that are eleven, twelve, thirteen,

1133
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, the foot's still growing. You're having to,

1134
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: over the course of a basketball season maybe even buy

1135
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: shoes twice because the foot has grown. I know this

1136
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous to ask it this elementary, but if you

1137
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: are a parent with a young person who is playing basketball, football,

1138
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: whatever sport it may be, and you're buying cleats, tennis, shoes,

1139
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: et cetera, and the kid is still growing, what are

1140
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: the things that you want to look for in terms

1141
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: of making sure that you are doing what you can

1142
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: to be preventative from preventing you know, about these sorts

1143
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: of an injury or this sort of a stress over

1144
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: the course of time on a still growing aspect of

1145
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: the body.

1146
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, great question, and I say, have the footwear that's

1147
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 7: appropriate for the sport. Example, don't wear a running shoe

1148
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 7: and a cutting sport. Don't go soccer practice with a

1149
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 7: running shoe. They're too soft, they're too flexible, they don't

1150
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 7: support the foot. And so having the appropriate footwear for

1151
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 7: the court, the turf, the grass, jumping, the side to

1152
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 7: side movement is critical. So that's that having the right

1153
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 7: right shoe for the activity.

1154
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 6: And then.

1155
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 7: I've done this for years is I buy an accessory

1156
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 7: insole that is typically better than the insule that comes

1157
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 7: with the shoe, and there are a number of companies

1158
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 7: that buy you know, off the shelf insoles and making

1159
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 7: sure the arch is supported and also the ball the

1160
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 7: foot so that it's got a soft landing.

1161
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: And do you want it being like a tight fixture

1162
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: on the foot itself or do you want room inside

1163
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: the shoe for the foot to move around as you move.

1164
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 7: All based on comfort And unfortunately I think a soccer immediately,

1165
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 7: you know, our soccer athletes have a tendency to need

1166
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 7: the shoehorn their foot into the soccer shoe and they'll

1167
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 7: they'll have them on, they'll dip them in water and

1168
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 7: then have them dry with it so that it fits

1169
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 7: like a glove.

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Speaker 6: And sometimes that puts a.

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Speaker 7: Little bit of pressure on the foot structure. But I

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 7: think our friend Alex Core and others would say, make

1173
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 7: sure that toe box has plenty of room for the toes.

1174
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 4: Those piggly wigglies.

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 7: Make sure they got room to breathe.

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: You know what Alex says, There's no business like tow business, Right, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: A pleasure as always. I'll let you get back to

1178
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: making your spam for lunch. Amen, Brother Ralph Free joining

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01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: us on the Java House Peel and Port guest line.

1180
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Last night, speaking of sports, I watched something

1181
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: that I became totally captivated by and I want to

1182
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: share it with everybody because I think you'll enjoy it too.

1183
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you next. Thank you to Ralph Free for

1184
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: his time. You've got me down in two thousand and eight.

1185
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: Kick now noticed this two thousand and eight, the last

1186
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: time the Colts won in Pittsburgh. I recall, and I'd

1187
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: have to think of what year it would have been.

1188
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: When Jordan Sparks sing the national anthem at for the

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Speaker 2: five hundred. Oh, that was fantastic.

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: What year was that? About? Two years ago? I think? Oh,

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: I was going to say what made you? Oh, George

1192
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: Sparks right there? Yeah, I want to say what. No,

1193
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to say that this would have been maybe

1194
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: three or four. The Colts played a Monday night football

1195
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: game in Pittsburgh, and I was working at Channel six,

1196
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: which of course is the ABC affiliate and back you know,

1197
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: money that football on ABC, and so I was there

1198
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: mostly like in an editing, you know, producer type role.

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think I maybe did one on

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: field hit with Dave first, but I mean, you know,

1201
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Dave was the guy. And after the game, the Steelers won,

1202
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: and we were in our back then you had satellite trucks.

1203
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: What year was this? Look up the Colts history in Pittsburgh.

1204
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, oh, four total guests, and if

1205
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, the final was something like twenty

1206
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: eight fourteen somewhere in there. I could be totally up

1207
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: based in that. But Pittsburgh won the game, and afterwards

1208
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: we were in the satellite truck and we're feverishly editing

1209
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: in order to do, you know, a postgame show or

1210
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: whatever else, and all of the Steelers fans are leaving

1211
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: and it's racus. And you know, we were four years

1212
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: removed from when the Pacers and Lakers had played in

1213
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,959
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals and they tried to overturn the satellite

1214
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: truck after the Lakers had won, so Dave had this

1215
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: PTSD of that. So we're locked in the satellite truck

1216
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: and we hear all of this noise and people are

1217
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: banging on the door. I mean banging on the door.

1218
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: You said, what was the score?

1219
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: I want to say it was twenty eight fourteen. So

1220
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two they were in Pittsburgh and

1221
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: lost twenty eight to ten.

1222
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: Okay, was that a Monday night? I have to I mean,

1223
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: that would be it. That's what I'm talking about. Then

1224
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: I remember Pittsburgh had twenty eight, but either way, these

1225
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: people are banging on the door and we're like, oh gosh,

1226
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: So finally we have to open the door up to

1227
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: go out and do a live shot. And we open

1228
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,440
Speaker 1: the door and there are these people, all these Steelers

1229
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,919
Speaker 1: fans gathered around and we're thinking, okay, this is literally

1230
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: like being a piece of raw meat walking into a

1231
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: wolverine den and all of these Steelers fans are like, hey,

1232
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: we just wanted to make sure, you know, do you

1233
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: guys have a good time while you're here? Where did

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: you like? Where did you eat dinner? And you need

1235
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: any suggestions on places to eat tomorrow for breakfast and

1236
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, be safe getting home and whatever else. It

1237
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: could not have been nicer. They literally were like, just

1238
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: help bent on making sure that we enjoyed our stay.

1239
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: That was a Monday night, Jake, you were correct? Twenty

1240
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: eight ten? Was the final? Twenty eight to ten? Yes,

1241
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: can you name Pittsburgh starting quarterback? That would have been

1242
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: pre Rothlisberger obviously right, It would have been after Neil O'Donnell. Correct, yep,

1243
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: Charlie Batch, no, go ahead and hit me Tommy Maddox. Wow, okay,

1244
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: mister XFL should have known that. So last night I

1245
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: watched the World Series. Blue Jays and Dodgers tied at

1246
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: two games apiece. That probably exhausts the level of interest

1247
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,839
Speaker 1: that people, for the most part in Indianapolis have about

1248
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: the World Series, although it was cool to see in

1249
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: game number three a Central Indiana native Southern Indiana maybe

1250
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: wherever you consider Bloomington to get the win, which was

1251
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: cool for the Dodgers in terms of the official scorebook

1252
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: on an eighteen inning game, and ball State graduate Alex

1253
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: call was in the game as well. Yeah, a couple

1254
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: of ties right for Central Indiana. Yeah, and the game's over.

1255
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: And that's when I remembered that the season finale of

1256
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: Chad Powers has dropped. Now, any of you watched Chad Powers.

1257
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: I haven't yet, Jake, I am like way behind on

1258
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of shows.

1259
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: Tell me the shows that you're watching and or have

1260
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: in Q to use the term.

1261
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: So there's a show called jin I am. I started

1262
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: watching The Boys and gen V is like a spin

1263
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 2: off of it. So the answer to gen X Okay,

1264
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 2: they're like somewhat tied. And so I was watching The Boys.

1265
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm starting season one in gen V. I've got

1266
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 2: to finish the last season the Boys. Now I can

1267
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: watch season two of GENV. Who's jen w And then

1268
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: I need to watch Lane Man, I need to watch

1269
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,480
Speaker 2: Chad Powers. I need to watch Starting five with Tyre's Halliburton.

1270
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: And of course, uh that's about it.

1271
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: Okay, before I get the Chad Powers question about Starting five, Okay,

1272
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 1: Harden my total naivete here, I've watched two episodes of it. Okay,

1273
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: allow me to ask these questions before answering. Okay, Okay,

1274
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: I am aware that last year during the NBA Finals,

1275
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: notably and during the playoffs in general, there was a

1276
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: camera crew falling around Tyre's Halliburton for a Netflix show.

1277
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm aware that's Starting five, if I'm not mistaken, is

1278
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: about different players in the NBA. Are the two things

1279
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of the same or are they separate

1280
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: of one another? Believe they are the same? So Starting

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Speaker 1: five had it, which is on Netflix. Okay, they had

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Speaker 1: a camera crew following around Tyrese Haliburton, Jalen Brown, Shay Gilchis,

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: Alexander and Kevin Durant, and James Harden all season long,

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: just the playoffs. So in that capacity, does each episode,

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: in other words, is there a Jaalen Brown season and

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: then a James Harden season or does it intertwine throughout

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,839
Speaker 1: the course of each episode?

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01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: Intertwine so like there may be an episode where you

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 2: have Tyre's Halliburton featured in there with Jalen Brown or whatever,

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 2: and there may be another.

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: Way they could say in this particular episode, Haliburton and

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: his teammates are getting ready for Milwaukee. Meanwhile, Jalen Brown

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: was down in Dallas that kind of thing.

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 2: Yes, and then a bunch of other stuff early in

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01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: the season so far they got into Tyres and Jade

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: in their relationship.

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Speaker 1: I know, and that's starting five. I was featured in

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: one of them, by the way, I don't know if

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01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: that's featured, but prominently my phone blew up when it

1300
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: was on, because not when it was on, but like

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: the day because I realize now, you know, I mean,

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: people watch all these things at different times, but I

1303
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: periodically get people that will screen grab to me. It

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: really is probably the best photo ever of Shannon and I.

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01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 7: Oh.

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: White Lotus is another one. That's another one I need

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: to finish.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: So starting five is in your queue. Landman is fantastic. Landman.

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: The new season drops, as the kids say, November sixteenth.

1310
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: That much. I know. Chad Powers I was intrigued by

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: because and it's on Hulu. I didn't even know that

1312
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: I had Hulu and all these other apps till all

1313
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden one day a little box showed up

1314
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: in my mailbox and they said, you need to plug

1315
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: this in if you still want to have cable isn't.

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: That Disney Plus Because Hulu is not its own little

1317
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: entity anymore.

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: Hulu is part of I believe, Disney Plus, and it's

1319
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: part of that bundle, but you click on the little

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: Hulu delio in order to get to it. Yeah. I

1321
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: very convoluted. I've never felt older, but I'm very proud

1322
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: that I was able to figure all this out. So

1323
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: I plug in this little box on my TELEVI was saying, well,

1324
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: this is great, and then I said, well, look I

1325
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: have all of these options now now that the price

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: went up a little bit, and I hate to admit it,

1327
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: but then I started sampling the goods and I thought, okay,

1328
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: well this is pretty good stuff. I enjoy having this.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 1: So Chad Powers was the show on Hulu. It is

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: produced by Archie Manning or excuse me, by Eli Manning

1331
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning, Oh My Amical Productions, and the show

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: itself is based off of I've mentioned this before. There

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: was a skit, oh, I don't know, two or three

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: years ago where Eli Manning got dressed up in disguise

1335
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: and posed as a walk on for Penn State football,

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01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: and of course he's out there throwing the ball all

1337
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: over the place, and these guys like whole cow and

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: then they find out it's Eli Manning. The show Chad

1339
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,839
Speaker 1: Powers is about a guy who was the hot shot

1340
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel esque quarterback at Oregon who then has a

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: massive fall from Grayson College football a handful of years

1342
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: ago and he's now in his mid to late twenties

1343
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: and his relevance is faded. So he comes up with

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: a way to disguise himself to try out as a

1345
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: walk on for a fictional but within the realm of

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: this show, big time program in the state of Georgia,

1347
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: and they feel.

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Speaker 2: Personally connected with your time at Kansas, Jake, Does this

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: speak to you a little bit?

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01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: Yes, at the age of fifty, I went back to

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01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: school to make up for the disgrace of my time

1352
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: at Kansas.

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 5: Yes.

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: So in it though, the thing that I like is

1355
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: they play and obviously you can understand why with the

1356
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: Mannings being involved, but they play Old miss they play Tennessee,

1357
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: and they played Georgia, and it's actually they incorporate actual

1358
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: footage from those those universities, so it looks pretty real. Now.

1359
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: When I first started watching it, I thought this is

1360
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: going to be this hokey, cheesy like SNL skit type show. Yeah,

1361
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: And it starts out kind of that way, and it

1362
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: feels a little bit saved by the bellish in the

1363
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: fact that you're watching it thinking this is kind of

1364
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: so bad, it's good, But as it goes along, I

1365
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: found myself really into it. And now last night was

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01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: the season finale. There's only six episodes, and each one's

1367
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: like thirty five minutes, but it gets a little bit

1368
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: more involved and a little bit the writing in it

1369
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: is a little bit deeper, and it is truly enjoyable.

1370
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: And now I find myself. I find myself last night

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: googling will there be another season of Chad Powers? Because

1372
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: it leaves you in this ultimate cliffhanger and then in

1373
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: the ultimate plot twist of all of it, the feeling

1374
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: this the Fema, no, not at all. The female lead

1375
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: in it is in real life is Mark Sanchez's wife,

1376
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, well, she might be a

1377
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: little tied up and busy right now with other stuff

1378
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: to be able to go back and do a show,

1379
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: because life got complicated for her a couple of weeks ago, right,

1380
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the show itself, Eddie It's one

1381
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: of those things where I watched it and then I thought,

1382
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: this is fun, and it's a fun thing to be

1383
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, when you watch these shows. One of the

1384
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: fun things about it, whether it's land Man, Ted Last

1385
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, is to be able to say to other people, Hey,

1386
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: did you see what happened last night? Or did you?

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01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: Are you watching it? And the problem with this is

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01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm the only person that watched it. Pat

1389
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: Dye or my buddy and I are the only two

1390
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: people I think that watched it.

1391
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: No, why are you wearing the Jordan hoodie today?

1392
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: Because it's like forty five degrees out.

1393
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know if this was in connection to what

1394
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: Jordan said about load management last night.

1395
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: No, but it's interesting you mentioned that because I did

1396
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: see that and it felt kind of like when Jordan

1397
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: looks at the iPad and starts laughing, And it does

1398
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: relate to what's going to happen tonight in Texas, And

1399
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: we'll tie all that together. On the other side, sometimes

1400
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: things happen where I get torn because I can very

1401
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: clearly see both sides of the coin with the pacers,

1402
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: and we talked about it earlier with Obi Top and notably,

1403
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: and we talked about it with Ralph Free from the

1404
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: right foot stress reaction, you know. And for that matter

1405
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: of the Colts. You know, you look at the Colts

1406
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: right now and they're pretty healthy. Colts are pretty healthy.

1407
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: Taekwon Lewis with that groin, Anthony Gould with a knee.

1408
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: You know, those are pretty cut and dry. I think

1409
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: injuries that you realize the severity of it. And when

1410
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: you look at the Pacers in some of the injuries

1411
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: that are out there. And the NBA load management has

1412
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: become such a hot button issue going back to oftentimes

1413
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 1: the best players when they miss a game. People resent

1414
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: it because Steph Curry only comes to Indianapolis once a

1415
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: year and you and kids are going there and the

1416
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: Carmel Dad's Club is down there and all these kids

1417
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: are lined up and they're all wearing their Warriors jerseys

1418
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: and it's a back to back. They were in Detroit

1419
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: the night before. Load management, No Steph Curry. Same with

1420
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: Lebron James sometimes with the Lakers, even when he was

1421
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: in the East and was with the Cavs or whatever.

1422
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: Load management and he's not playing, and because they.

1423
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: Are a stretch when Lebron did that like it felt

1424
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 2: like there was a stretch of years where Lebron wasn't

1425
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,560
Speaker 2: play an indie.

1426
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: Right and so then because they are already polarizing figures

1427
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: because they're the best at what they do and you're

1428
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: seeing them win titles, and in the case of Lebron,

1429
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 1: they're holding your team back from you know who. The Pacers,

1430
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: as I have said prior to to what we are

1431
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: seeing right now, the Pacers two best franchises that ever

1432
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: been accumulated in the NBA standpoint, Both of them just

1433
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: happened to coincide with the peak of Michael Jordan and

1434
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: then Lebron James, and that leads to this disdain. Notably

1435
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: with Lebron James and then Steph Curry. You didn't have

1436
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: it so much with Michael Jordan. Jordan was beloved by

1437
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: so many people because he was so unique, and he

1438
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: was so groundbreaking, and he was so pop culturally relevant,

1439
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: and there also was just a different era where he

1440
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: did not have the opportunity, as crazy as it sounds,

1441
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: because he was in the greatest commercial ever with the

1442
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: Gatorade commercial. I still walk down the street and the

1443
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: song is stuck in my head. The air Jordan's I mean,

1444
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 1: he was ubiquitous amongst pop culture, but at the same time,

1445
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: it also was a pop culture that didn't have the

1446
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: number of outlets and avenues to completely saturate you like

1447
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: you get today. And so load management has become this

1448
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: buzz word. And I looked at the Pacers and the

1449
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 1: thunder both and the number of injuries, nagging things that

1450
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: are popping up with their teams, and thinking to the

1451
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: fact that they're coming off of the NBA Finals, and

1452
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 1: you wonder about load management and the validity of that discussion.

1453
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, as part of the NBA on NBC, sat

1454
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: down with Mike Turrico and the topic of load management

1455
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: came up, and he said something very interesting about I

1456
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 1: recall when he was a rookie, he had a foot

1457
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: injury initially that hurt him as a rookie in the

1458
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: NBA with the Bulls, and then he became the Ironman

1459
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: obviously later in his career. Keep in mind there was

1460
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: the baseball venture as well. But here is Michael Jordan

1461
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: talking about the early motivation, if you will, of load

1462
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: management and playing through it.

1463
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 8: I twist my ankle and I had a teammate he says,

1464
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 8: you twists your ankle, young fella, come over in and

1465
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 8: sit with me. You know this is you need to

1466
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 8: I said, no, man, I'm trying to make a name

1467
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 8: for us. Of there's no way I can sit. You know.

1468
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 8: I need to get out there and show what I'm capable.

1469
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 8: I want to play. I want to win. I want

1470
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,879
Speaker 8: to I want to I want to make an impact.

1471
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 8: And I twisted my anco taped it up and I

1472
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 8: went back out and I played. I always felt that,

1473
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 8: I always felt the necessary need that I could never

1474
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 8: leave my comrades out if I can perform right, even

1475
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 8: if I couldn't.

1476
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, Utah for a great example.

1477
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 8: You know everybody said the final it's a game five,

1478
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 8: which is a very pivotal game. I was going to

1479
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 8: find a way to get out there, even if I

1480
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 8: was a deco. Well, once I got out there, you know,

1481
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 8: you never know how you're pushing yourself.

1482
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: You never know what happens, right, Okay, I love that

1483
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: and I understand it and the thing I love about it,

1484
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 1: And this is where I say, I can see both

1485
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: sides of the coin. I think that Jordan played in

1486
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: an era where and I know, listen, I get it.

1487
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time. Lebron couldn't have played

1488
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: in Jordan's era because the game back then was so

1489
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: much more physical. He didn't have to go through the

1490
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: lane and get challenged by Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason.

1491
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: Lebron James is bigger than Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason.

1492
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: You know that's the game is just different in the

1493
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: way that it's played. The physicality of it in terms

1494
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 1: of I don't mean the physicality in terms of brute athleticism.

1495
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: The athleticism of it, yes, and the quickness and the

1496
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: cutting and everything. It's just there. There is a little

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: bit of apples and oranges there. But one thing from

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01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan that he said there that I totally relate to.

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01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: And I want to be very clear. I'm want to

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01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: be very clear. In no way, shape or form am

1501
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: I saying I or anybody else or Michael Jordan. Okay,

1502
01:25:53,080 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: throughout the course of my career, and I know, I

1503
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: guarantee you J ANDV would say the same thing here.

1504
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Guarantee it throughout the course of my career. And I

1505
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: know J ANDV will back me up on this that

1506
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: he thinks the same way about this. We work in

1507
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: an industry that is so specified and so finite in

1508
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: terms of the number of jobs that are out there.

1509
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: We are driven by a paranoia of not getting the

1510
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: opportunity to show what we can do, or rather not

1511
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: being here to let somebody else show what they can do.

1512
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: And then suddenly we get wally pipped tons of people

1513
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: that can do this job, no question about it, and

1514
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 1: it is a blessing and it is the ultimate. It's

1515
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: a responsibility, but it is a blessing to have this

1516
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: opportunity because so many people could do it. And if

1517
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: we are afforded the opportunity, you do not want to

1518
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form vacate it because you're

1519
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: driven by a paranoia that you're not every single day

1520
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: getting the chance to prove what you can do, and

1521
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: you don't want somebody else to come in and get

1522
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: the opportunity to then themselves prove it. So there is

1523
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: a drive of competitive nature that I understand when Michael

1524
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: Jordan says that, and Michael Jordan, who was and again

1525
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm now removing myself in comparison here, okay, but Michael

1526
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: Jordan in nineteen eighty four was the virtually unanimous College

1527
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: Basketball Player of the Year. Yes, he had Sam Perkins

1528
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: on his team. Yes, Patrick Ewing was a junior at Georgetown,

1529
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and yes, Chris Mullen was still at Georgetown,

1530
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: and yes, a chem Elijah On was at Houston. But

1531
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. In nineteen eighty four, North Carolina was the

1532
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: number one team of the country. They were upset in

1533
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: the tournament by Indiana, and Jordan then goes immediately into

1534
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: the Olympics coached by Bob Knight, and Bob Knight to

1535
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 1: anybody that will listen the discussion, this is the greatest

1536
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: basketball player I've ever seen. Anybody needs to draft him. Well,

1537
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, the Houston Rockets are going to take a

1538
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: live one because they need a center, and Knight says,

1539
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: then draft Jordan and put him at center. But that's

1540
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: the guy you need on your team because of his drive,

1541
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: his desire and his competitive nature and that drive, that

1542
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: desire and the desire to compete, and the paranoia, even

1543
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: when he was the greatest basketball player in the world,

1544
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: continued to drive him to the point of when it

1545
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: comes to load management, where it would be impossible for

1546
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: him to fathom that others would not want to have

1547
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: that exact same thought process because they too would be expendable.

1548
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: And he always the reason Jordan became and was the

1549
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: best player is because he always was driven by the

1550
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: fact that he could be expendable. And maybe that goes

1551
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: back to the fact that when he was in high

1552
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: school he was cut and he was not. It was

1553
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: not automatically a given to him at the age of fifteen.

1554
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: He was not on the cover of Sports Illustrated, he

1555
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: was not on ESPN. They were not moving his game

1556
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: to other places. He had to What happens to you

1557
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: in your formidable years drives you throughout. So I absolutely

1558
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: applaud and love that aspect of it. But I also

1559
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: can see the other side of it in the fact

1560
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: that today the game is more year round in terms

1561
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: of the offseason stuff of World Basketball Championships and the

1562
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Olympic Games and everything that goes into all of it, right,

1563
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: and the load management that comes with it, And in

1564
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: addition to that, the better understanding of just as we

1565
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: continue to go along the body, the medicine, everything the

1566
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 1: treatment that goes in the MRIs that I'm not saying

1567
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: that he was in a dinosaur age, but I think

1568
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: we are more conscientious now with team, with team aspect

1569
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: of the team itself saying you are going to set

1570
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: out and the player not even having necessarily that right

1571
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: to say no, I insist on being out there. Well yes,

1572
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: but our imaging this says that it's just a little

1573
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: bit of apples and oranges, but it's also there is

1574
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: a reason why Jordan became so beloved. Another thing that

1575
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: caught my eye over the weekend was somebody from a

1576
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: national standpoint saying, what we know here one of the

1577
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: teams in this area is absolutely for real and everybody

1578
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: better pay attention. And the guy that wrote it's going

1579
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: to join us next Eddie's spinning all the hits from

1580
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, right, So the theme of the day,

1581
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: we didn't even realize it.

1582
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. And these are like the songs

1583
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 2: that I listened to when I was in middle school

1584
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:46,520
Speaker 2: in high school.

1585
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: And don't made me feel old at all. Last time

1586
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: the Colts won in Pittsburgh two thousand and eight, we'll

1587
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: see if they can snap that streak coming up on Sunday.

1588
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: It's not heinz Field anymore, right, isn't it like some

1589
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: act or something like that? I liked when it was

1590
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Hines Field because when I went and covered a game

1591
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: there once, I got to the hotel and they had

1592
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: a basket for me with every Heinz product known demand.

1593
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,560
Speaker 1: There were, I pre sure stadium forty six things I

1594
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: didn't even know. We're made by Hines. We're in this

1595
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: little gift basket. Speaking of gift basket, sometimes storylines just

1596
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: are gifted right there before your very eyes, Like for example,

1597
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: this weekend, I was scrolling ESPN dot com, one of

1598
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: my favorite obviously websites like most of you, and as

1599
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling along, I see a headline that says, essentially

1600
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: and it is so weird when you talk about college

1601
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: football to think that Indiana and Vanderbilt are two of

1602
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the major storylines. But those were in the headline and

1603
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: a column written by David Hale, who covers acc but

1604
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: also college football for ESPN dot Com, And I said,

1605
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: this is a guy I want on the show. And

1606
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: he joins us now on the Java House Peel and

1607
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: poor guest line, David, how are you?

1608
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 5: I am well, I.

1609
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 3: Am excited to be joining folks in the land of

1610
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 3: my old pal Daniel Indiana Jones. I support him and

1611
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 3: all of his his people out there.

1612
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Glad of that, Let's begin with this, Actually, Daniel Jones.

1613
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: You know you've covered the ACC and Duke football and

1614
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: you've seen him, and then of course he was on

1615
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: the East Coast in New York with the Giants. Are

1616
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: you surprised by what we're seeing from Daniel Jones?

1617
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: Well, as an Eagles fan, I grew up an Eagles fan,

1618
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 3: and I think anybody who gets away from the Giants

1619
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 3: you expect big things from after that.

1620
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 5: Uh so that goes without saying. But look, Daniel Jones

1621
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 5: is a very athletic guy. And it's funny.

1622
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: You know, there was the I think it was his

1623
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 3: rookie year to play where he just kind of got

1624
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 3: tripped by the turf Monster and it became sort of

1625
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 3: this meme of, oh, Daniel Jones is just this awkward,

1626
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, weird white guy.

1627
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 5: Who can't really run.

1628
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 3: No, he's a really good athlete and he's a really

1629
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 3: really smart guy with a very good arm, and so

1630
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 3: put into a system where you're not asking.

1631
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 5: Him to be everything.

1632
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 3: Uh to me, it was a no brainer. And I

1633
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 3: felt like he was a guy who was, you know,

1634
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 3: pretty underrated during his time with the Giants because he

1635
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 3: was always sort of playing with one handtag behind his

1636
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 3: back in a program that just it's not had great coaching,

1637
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 3: it's not had a lot of great talent around him,

1638
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 3: and they're in a division where they've been out talented

1639
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 3: by at least one and usually two teams on an

1640
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 3: annual basis. So look, the situation that he's in now

1641
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 3: is terrific. I'm not you know, I'm surprised by how

1642
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,839
Speaker 3: good it's been, but I'm not surprised that he's found

1643
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 3: new life with some fresh scenery.

1644
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Do you think there's an advantage? And I do want

1645
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: to talk about your college columns. You have several things

1646
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: that are that jumped out at me, David, But do

1647
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: you think there is an advantage in being somebody at

1648
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: the quarterbacking position that is coming out of a non

1649
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: blue blood In other words, you know, if you're quarterbacking

1650
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,839
Speaker 1: at Duke, it's not like you're throwing to the receivers

1651
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence was throwing to at Clemson, right, or

1652
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: that a lot of quarterbacks at Alabama have are afforded

1653
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: the opportunity to throw to. Does that help a guy

1654
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: do you think when they get to the league.

1655
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 5: You know, I think it can be a double edged sword.

1656
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 3: And I'll point out it's not just that Daniel Jones

1657
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 3: was at Duke. I mean, he was a non scholarship

1658
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 3: guy when he got the Duke. David cut Cliff is

1659
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 3: one of the only people who truly believed in him.

1660
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 3: But when the guy who believes in you also was

1661
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 3: the guy who coached the first two Manning brothers, you know,

1662
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 3: that's not a bad guy to have in your corner.

1663
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 3: And I do think it, you know, particularly at a

1664
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 3: program like Duke, where there is the understanding of every

1665
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 3: coach who has been there is talent is not our advantage,

1666
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 3: but intelligence is. And so I think you learn the

1667
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 3: position and you learn the intricacies of it. I remember

1668
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 3: way back in what seven six eight, talking to the

1669
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 3: late great John Clayton about Matt Ryan, and Matt Ryan's

1670
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 3: numbers were not great at the time, and he's like, well, yeah,

1671
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 3: but have you looked at who he's playing with? And

1672
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 3: that was sort of a very reasonable point. Matt Ryan

1673
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: turned out to be a pretty darn good quarterback by

1674
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: elevating next to nothing at Boston College when he was there, So,

1675
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I think that there is. Now the flip

1676
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 3: side of that is the NFL is a different animal

1677
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 3: and you are going to be surrounded by elite talent,

1678
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 3: and I think you need to also know how to.

1679
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 5: Deal with those guys.

1680
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 3: You know, again I mentioned I'm a Eagles fan, Like

1681
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 3: there's you're not going to run into AJ Brown's when

1682
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: you're at Duke, and as a quarterback, you know, being

1683
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 3: able to work with someone like AJ Brown and manage

1684
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 3: that personality and the expectations that come with.

1685
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 5: It, like, you've got to be prepared for that too.

1686
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 3: So I think there's there's there's certainly pluses and minuses

1687
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 3: to it. But I do say when you go when

1688
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: you play for David Cutcliff and you play at a

1689
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 3: program like Duke, You're not coming out of there an idiot.

1690
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 5: There's no doubt about that.

1691
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: David, can we have you as a weekly guest. We're

1692
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: like two minutes in and I can already tell right,

1693
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: I'll the the overall everything about it, right. I like

1694
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: the perspectives. I like the local tie in, and that

1695
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: leads me to this. You have a column at ESPN

1696
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: dot com. You write about college football, and I want

1697
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: to read an excerpt of what you wrote, because I

1698
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: think it's great. Talking about the Heisman candidacy of Fernando

1699
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: Mendoza of Indiana. You say the only potential pitfall for

1700
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Mendoza now is that many Heisman voters had not previously

1701
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: been aware Indiana had a football program and are very

1702
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: confused about why he doesn't play for Texas. Now that

1703
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: that leads to this question, do you believe that nationally

1704
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: speaking people truly believe that Indiana is for real?

1705
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 3: I think so, and I certainly wouldn't have said this

1706
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 3: last year. You know, I think there's there's always been

1707
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 3: a year in and year out in college football. We

1708
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 3: have the quote unquote Cinderella story that the feel good team,

1709
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 3: and Indiana was largely that last year you think back to,

1710
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 3: I mean the TCU team in twenty twenty two that

1711
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 3: pulled out one miracle after another and got all the

1712
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 3: way to the national championship game. But I think the

1713
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 3: folks who watched college football and really know the game

1714
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 3: always sort of can differentiate between Hey, that team got

1715
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 3: a few games, had a relatively easy schedule, some good

1716
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 3: matchups for them, great great story, they've played punched above

1717
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: their weight. Good story, But they're not gonna win. They're

1718
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: not gonna win at all. They're not as good as

1719
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 3: the true blue bloods of the game, the Georgia's of the.

1720
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 5: Bamas, the Ohio States.

1721
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 3: And again, I think that was certainly the case for

1722
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 3: Indiana last year, where they took a lot of flak

1723
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: for not having played a particularly difficult schedule. But this

1724
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 3: year's Indiana team, and I say this, you mentioned Vanderbilt

1725
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 3: off the top, I think they're in this conversation too.

1726
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,919
Speaker 3: They're I think they have proven there more than capable

1727
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 3: of playing with anyone. They have legitimate NFL talent on

1728
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: this Indiana roster, Like this isn't a bunch of guys

1729
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 3: who were overachieving. This is guys who are largely doing

1730
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 3: what they should be doing because they're really talented. And

1731
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 3: when you go out to Oregon and you win in

1732
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,839
Speaker 3: an environment like that against the team that's got probably

1733
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 3: a dozen nflers that are playing regular snaps for them

1734
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 3: like that, that tells me that this is a team

1735
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 3: that is capable of winning all any game. And then

1736
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 3: the flip side of that is you start looking around

1737
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 3: college football at who those blue bloods are, and yeah,

1738
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 3: I made a little joke about Texas and.

1739
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 5: They're Texas ain't good.

1740
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 3: Texas has gone to overtime two weeks in a row

1741
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 3: with teams that are one in twenty eight in SEC

1742
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 3: play over the last two years. Like what does that

1743
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 3: tell you about Texas? Alabama lost to Florida State and

1744
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: the opener like these are not.

1745
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 5: I think the.

1746
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 3: Great teams are still very good, but instead of being

1747
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 3: like an A plus completely lapping the field, they're just

1748
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 3: a little better than everybody else. And everybody else has

1749
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 3: gotten a little better too, particularly if you're a program

1750
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 3: that's willing to invest money, which Indiana is, and has

1751
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 3: a good coach and a good coaching staff, which Indiana does.

1752
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 5: And so I think you add all of this up

1753
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 5: and just the.

1754
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 3: Narrative that we're used to in college football because it

1755
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 3: has been the blueprint for you know, as long as

1756
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 3: most of us have probably been watching the sport.

1757
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 5: I think it is markedly changed now.

1758
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 3: Is it changed for the long haul or will it

1759
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 3: kind of the pendulum slip back. I think they're the

1760
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 3: rich tend to stay getting richer for a reason. But

1761
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 3: Indiana is sort of the proof in the pudding of

1762
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 3: like this this can work Now.

1763
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Is this, David, when when you analyze Indiana and you

1764
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: talk about, for example, you know there are NFL players

1765
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: on the roster with Indiana, some of those guys might

1766
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,480
Speaker 1: not have been NFL prospects when they got to Indiana.

1767
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you know, opportunity, maybe that's

1768
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti, maybe it's combination of both. But it seems

1769
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,480
Speaker 1: to me like if you look at Indiana and Vanderbilt,

1770
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean Vanderbilt, really if you look at those programs,

1771
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: am I correct in this statement? Kudos to the way

1772
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: that they went about and Scott Dolson and Indiana went

1773
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 1: about the business of turning it around and getting Kurt

1774
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: Signetti and investing. But the storm was perfect for Indiana.

1775
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: I can't speak to Vanderbilt and their approach, but for Indiana,

1776
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: it was the perfect storm of the NIL and the

1777
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: transfer portal availability era, and Indiana was the team that

1778
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: was sitting there looking for an opening and in the

1779
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: left lane, and it finally came open, and they blew

1780
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: past a bunch of people and merged right back in

1781
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: and did so, merging in with the blue bloods. Is

1782
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: Indiana taking advantage of an opportunity and it's now too

1783
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:16,520
Speaker 1: late for others to take that same advantage.

1784
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this is fun. I've had numerous conversations

1785
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 3: because as a journalist like I would like to know

1786
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:24,679
Speaker 3: my day is going to look like when I wake

1787
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 3: up both the time. But you talked to like ads

1788
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 3: and coaches and they'll tell you chaos equals opportunity. And

1789
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 3: kudos to Indiana because they understood what was happening in

1790
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 3: the sport when I don't think everybody else did, and

1791
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 3: pounced upon that opportunity. And again, I just the opportunity

1792
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 3: wasn't there before.

1793
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 5: I mean it used to be.

1794
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not naive enough to suggest no one

1795
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 3: was paying players, but it used to be where paying

1796
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 3: players was not an easy thing to do, and so

1797
01:40:55,880 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 3: that the the advantages that other schools had were geography

1798
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,440
Speaker 3: and money for facilities and coaches.

1799
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 5: And stuff like that.

1800
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 3: Well, you can't change your geography, and building buildings takes

1801
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: a whole lot of money and a long lot of years,

1802
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 3: and it doesn't guarantee you a whole lot of anything.

1803
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 3: But being able to open up a check book and

1804
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: say how much do you need? That gets the job

1805
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 3: done quickly. And Indiana to their credit bought into a

1806
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 3: new system. But that, you know, the flip side of

1807
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 3: that is too like, look at what's happening with North

1808
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 3: Carolina right now and Bill Belichick and it's a disaster.

1809
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean it can't work, but it's not

1810
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 3: working now. And this was a little bit of Carolina

1811
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,560
Speaker 3: being like, Oh, here's our opportunity.

1812
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 5: Let's go get this guy.

1813
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 3: You've got to get the right guy, and they've got

1814
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 3: to come in with the right approach, and they've got

1815
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 3: to be the right fit for what you're doing. And

1816
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 3: Signetti is all of that. Signette is a guy who

1817
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 3: wants to punch up. He wants to come in with

1818
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 3: a chip on his shoulder and prove himself against the

1819
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 3: big guys who think he was never worth it in

1820
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 3: the first place. Like he is the perfect fit for Indiana.

1821
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,640
Speaker 3: Indiana aid their moves at the right time in the

1822
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 3: world the college football universe. The stars aligned and the

1823
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 3: door opened and they walked right through.

1824
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: By the way you taught at Eastern Kentucky. Is that right?

1825
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 3: That was a long time ago, But I had I

1826
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 3: got a solid three semesters in there before either they

1827
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 3: wised up or I got another job. I can't remember

1828
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 3: which the name.

1829
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever just out of curiosa? Did you ever

1830
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 1: drink al eight when you were there?

1831
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 5: Oh god, yes, yes bye.

1832
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 3: Girlfriend at the time, wife now hated them, but I

1833
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 3: would make us get them every now and.

1834
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: Again, and you still got married.

1835
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 3: Well, we disagree on everything else too. That was a

1836
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 3: load on the list.

1837
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 1: Now, what year did you graduate from University of Delaware?

1838
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 3: Now, you're really making me feel old. I graduated in one,

1839
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 3: and then I went back and got a master's degree

1840
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 3: in community in journalism at Stricus in five.

1841
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm going to make you feel young now.

1842
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: In ninety three, Delaware played in the first round of

1843
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: the NAA Tournament against Louisville at the Hoosier Dome and

1844
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: I went down for practice and I met two dudes

1845
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: from Delaware that had driven all night just to come

1846
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: to the game. And so I'm like, where are you

1847
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: guys staying. They're like, dude, we have no idea, we

1848
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: just drove in. I go, well, you're staying at our house.

1849
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: I was my parents, I mean I was in college myself,

1850
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: so my parents put them up for the weekend. And

1851
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 1: then the president of University of Delaware made me an

1852
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: honorary bluehen for what that's worth.

1853
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 3: True, this is it's like it's like finding a leprechaun

1854
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1855
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 5: You hope the.

1856
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: Funny I should mention. Okay, back to Indiana real quick.

1857
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm curious of this, and I was worried that the

1858
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: rest of the country was going to see it this way.

1859
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: There are certain college football programs, David, that I call

1860
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: them IKEA programs and other words. They look really really

1861
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: good when they're from Afar, and then you really break

1862
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: it down and you're like, yeah, this is actual just

1863
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of like plastic parts that are putt together.

1864
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: Nothing against Ikea, but you get what I'm saying where

1865
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: they Texas Tech falls into this category for me, like

1866
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: they look really good every year and then by the

1867
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: end of the year you're like, yeah, they're an alamable team. Okay, fine,

1868
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Give me a couple of

1869
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: teams that you in your mind that you categorize this

1870
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 1: year with Indiana in terms of how solid they are.

1871
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Texas Tech's are good.

1872
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 3: Ikea analogy because it's you assemble it like one of

1873
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 3: those bookshelves, Like it was just like I don't know

1874
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 3: if these pieces fit.

1875
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: Right totally totally.

1876
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 3: You know, I will say I am relatively sold on

1877
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 3: what Alabama looks like now. Like Ty Simpson, they ran

1878
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 3: into Florida State at the absolute wrong time, and I

1879
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 3: think in some ways they're better as a result of it.

1880
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 3: I think they're very good. I think Miami is very good,

1881
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:53,599
Speaker 3: and yet they're going to be playing to an inside

1882
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 3: straight in the acc let alone.

1883
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 5: In the larger landscape of things.

1884
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 3: But I always kind of go back to are you

1885
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 3: good on both sides of the line of scrimmage?

1886
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:03,919
Speaker 5: And do you have your quarterback?

1887
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,040
Speaker 3: And if you've got those three things that can play

1888
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 3: at a high level, I think you can make the

1889
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 3: rest work. And Miami's got a potentially high level quarterback

1890
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 3: and they're very good on both sides of the line

1891
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. And then you know, look, I Ohio State.

1892
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 5: I'm going to go ahead and say is really good.

1893
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 3: Until we see them actually play somebody really good. You know,

1894
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 3: like this weekend they're gonna play Penn State. And this

1895
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 3: was a game back in August you would have said

1896
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 3: with a.

1897
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 5: Season defining game, it means nothing.

1898
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, so you.

1899
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 3: Know, I just they're They're so talented in so many ways,

1900
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 3: and if you look at like who's the future draft prospect, like,

1901
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 3: they've probably got as many NFL dudes as anybody. But

1902
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 3: you put Indiana and Ohio State against each other, well,

1903
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 3: one's got a freshman quarterback who has not really been asked.

1904
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 5: To do a whole lot, and the other one's.

1905
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 3: Got a quarterback who's done a bunch and is in

1906
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 3: his third year as a starter. And I think that

1907
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 3: can make a big difference there. So you know, to me,

1908
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 3: I love what Julian Sands done. He's play wonderful, but

1909
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm not quite ready to buy into Ahada State's about

1910
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 3: ready to repeat because I just I don't know that

1911
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 3: you do that with a quarterback that young.

1912
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:08,679
Speaker 5: Maybe he pros me wrong.

1913
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 1: Better job Penn State or LSU or are we in

1914
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: an era now where the size of the stadium and

1915
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 1: the program prestige are irrelevant.

1916
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 5: I don't think they're irrelevant.

1917
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 3: And you know, again, who knows as the rules continue

1918
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 3: to evolve how much that sort of strength comes back

1919
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Speaker 3: into the fray.

1920
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Speaker 5: It's funny because I think the strength for.

1921
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Speaker 3: Both of those programs is where they recruit from LSU

1922
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:39,959
Speaker 3: is basically a standalone program in a very fertile recruiting area.

1923
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 5: Penn State is basically the only game in town in.

1924
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 3: The Northeast to recruit at a high level, so it's

1925
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 3: not as good a recruiting area, but it's a wider one.

1926
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 3: I think they both are really good. I would probably

1927
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 3: lean Penn State just because your path to the playoffs

1928
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 3: is not as hard as the Big Ten as it

1929
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 3: is if you've got to go play Alabama and Georgia

1930
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,719
Speaker 3: and Florida every year in the SEC, so slight lean

1931
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 3: Penn State. If your goal is I got to get

1932
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 3: to the playoff. If your goal is I want to

1933
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 3: have the best players that I can find, the LSU

1934
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 3: is probably a little bit better.

1935
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 5: Job.

1936
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 1: Does Marcus Freeman stay at Notre Dame and are they

1937
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 1: a playoff contender?

1938
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 5: I think he does.

1939
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 3: I think Notre Dame learned a little bit of a

1940
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 3: lesson from how things ended with Brian Kelly. I'm not

1941
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 3: sure they were sad to see him go, but I

1942
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 3: think that they were embarrassed at how it went, and

1943
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 3: I think the Irish have sort.

1944
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 5: Of turned things.

1945
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 3: They've opened the door to Marcus Freeman to do some

1946
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 3: things that they probably were not doing with Brian Kelly.

1947
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 3: I think they'll keep Marcus Freeman and I think, yeah,

1948
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 3: look the way CJ. Cars playing is great. They lost

1949
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 3: two games to two teams that I think are going

1950
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 3: to probably be in the playoff to open the season.

1951
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 3: They're blowing the doors off people now. And Jeremiah Love

1952
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 3: is one of my favorite players. If you can only

1953
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,879
Speaker 3: sit down and watch a handful of players on a Saturday,

1954
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 3: go watch Jeremiah Love.

1955
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 5: He's ridiculous.

1956
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody in conclusion here that Indiana would have

1957
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: on that list of players that you say or must watch?

1958
01:47:59,800 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 5: Yea.

1959
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 3: You know the way that Elijas Thra has played this year.

1960
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 5: I was just looking this up.

1961
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 3: You know, he's one of just four big ten wide

1962
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 3: receivers with ten touchdown passes to eight games in the

1963
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 3: last twenty years. Like he is as big a big

1964
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 3: play guy as there is in college football right now

1965
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 3: at the receiver position. I've had a ton of fun

1966
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 3: watching him. I'm not sure i'd put him on the

1967
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Loved pedestal, but he's you know, he's like a

1968
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 3: little not to step below there.

1969
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: David Hale ESPN is our guest Java House peeling poor

1970
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: guest line, David. Spencer Dunkley was the center for Delaware

1971
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 1: that year in ninety three, and he was drafted by

1972
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: your Indiana Pacers that I know are number one in

1973
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 1: your heart.

1974
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: I hope that that's probably the last British guy that

1975
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 3: they've drafted there. But I love Spencer Duckley and Alex

1976
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 3: Cole were the stars of that team, and yeah, those

1977
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 3: guys are great.

1978
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,759
Speaker 1: Spencer Dunkley was in fact the guy. There was some quote,

1979
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, he said something along the lines

1980
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:03,600
Speaker 1: or somebody said maybe it's Dick vital if Delaware beats Louisville,

1981
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 1: like I'll walk all the way to Delaware from Indianapolis.

1982
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 1: And so we were hoping to what happened. And I

1983
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: was trying to lead the Delaware guys in cheers and

1984
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,600
Speaker 1: everything else. And at least I got to become an

1985
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: honorary Blue Heat and now a leprechom. So there's that.

1986
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Happy to have you with the club that's we meet

1987
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays, right, it's a huge club, David, I appreciate it. Man.

1988
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 5: All right, good to talk you guys.

1989
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 1: David Hale joining us on the Java House Peelaport guest

1990
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: line ESPN dot com. And that is again he has

1991
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,880
Speaker 1: Mendoza right now as number one in his Heisman watch,

1992
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: and I think you know there are certainly other players

1993
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: that are going to be in the mix Ohio State.

1994
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 1: The real thing here is for a lot of programs,

1995
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 1: like in Ohio State, for example, or Alabama, you get

1996
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: divvy up a little bit of the voters. If you

1997
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: for for example, Alabama, if you're a voter in the Southeast,

1998
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: you know there are players in a number of different

1999
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 1: schools that are going to jump out at you. Or

2000
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna look at even Alabama's roster and say, okay, Simpsons, fabulous,

2001
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: but what about you know, ABC or D The same

2002
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: with Ohio State, Mendoza and sarat has been unbelievable. But

2003
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 1: what Mendoza is doing and the poise that he is showing,

2004
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: and the fact that keep in mind he is coming

2005
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 1: out of and it's now the ACC I realized. But

2006
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: cal on the West coast. So you have Heisman voters

2007
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: as well that are familiar with him in a wider

2008
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: array of areas in terms of being able to watch

2009
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 1: him every week and seeing what he does and have

2010
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 1: him on the radar that I think helps him. And

2011
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, Indiana and Purdue both have had their fair

2012
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 1: share of players that probably should have won the Heisman

2013
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: but did not. You know, obviously Drew Brees, but Leroy Keyes,

2014
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 1: Jim Everett was a great player, Mark Herman was really close,

2015
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: and George Rogers won it that year out of South Carolina.

2016
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: And then from Indiana's standpoint, I still believe that, and

2017
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 1: I've always believed that Ernie Jones in eighty seven should

2018
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: have been better in terms of the votes that he got.

2019
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: Anthony Thompson in eighty nine should have won it. Randall

2020
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: l you know, they've had great players that have come through,

2021
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: and this might be and it is odd to just take,

2022
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that's a transfer and had played

2023
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: elsewhere for the majority of his career and then comes in,

2024
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: but you take what you can get, right, and he's

2025
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: playing at an unbelievably high level. Again, you heard me

2026
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 1: mention Java House peeling poor guest line. Jake twenty five.

2027
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: That's the number two five at Java house dot com

2028
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: for twenty five percent off and that includes as well,

2029
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: if you search my name once you get there, that

2030
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: has the Jake Querry, the Fan Bundle, which is for

2031
01:51:55,080 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 1: different beverages Instant Peeling Poor, the Columbian Coffee Wrangler Energy,

2032
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:05,799
Speaker 1: and the two Liquid Science refreshment drinks, hydration beverages, Arctic

2033
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 1: Freeze Flavor and Orange Flavor, as well David's pretty cool

2034
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 1: Eddie college football right.

2035
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 2: There, boom skid, did you explain what caught your eye

2036
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 2: and asked why you wanted to have him on?

2037
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: So this is what I like about him. When he

2038
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: was he mentioned in his article about Indiana he was

2039
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: talking about the Indiana UCLA game, okay, And in his

2040
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 1: article about Indiana he says, and Jerry news Jerry Newheisel,

2041
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: is you know a former UCLA quarterback that's now on

2042
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: the offensive staff there? And he says not since his

2043
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,719
Speaker 1: role as the villain and back to school seeing Thornton

2044
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Mellon's astonishing triple Lindy to win the dive meet, had

2045
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: Jerry Nudeheisel Jerry Newheisel been so embarrassed and even still

2046
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,560
Speaker 1: enjoying a forty some point lead. Signetti roamed the sidelines

2047
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: with the same error of indignation as an assistant regional

2048
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 1: manager of a mid level textile distributor, frustrated with another

2049
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 1: supply chain hiccup. And I saw that, and I thought, so,

2050
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 1: knowing UCLA's history with people within their football program that

2051
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,919
Speaker 1: went on to acting career, you know Mark Harmon for example,

2052
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: that went onto acting careers, and knowing that it's in LA,

2053
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: I thought, wait a minute, Jerry Neuheisel Back to School

2054
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: came out like in the mid eighties, and Jerry Newheisel is,

2055
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, well younger than that. And I'm like, was

2056
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 1: he in back to School? Was there a redo with

2057
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: this that I'm not familiar with it? Was there a

2058
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 1: Netflix show? And I'm racking my brain, and I mean,

2059
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 1: this is how I obsess over things. And I couldn't

2060
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 1: figure out the connection. Literally couldn't figure out the connection,

2061
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa what? So finally I just happened

2062
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: to notice that, you know, his email address is enclosed

2063
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: on his articles, right, And so I'm like, I'm going

2064
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 1: to email this dude and just ask him, Hey, you know,

2065
01:53:56,160 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: am I missing something here? But you know, so I

2066
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 1: literally sent him a message that says, you know what

2067
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 1: am I missing? And he wrote back and said no,

2068
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: he just looks like any of those dudes from the

2069
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: eighties that played a movie villain, like, for example, somebody

2070
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: in Back to School that would have been a villain,

2071
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 1: or the blond headed kid from Karate Kid. And he said,

2072
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: I was trying for a pop culture reference, but maybe

2073
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: I swung and missed my bad. And right there, I'm like,

2074
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: this dude, sounds cool. I said, Okay, that's cool. By

2075
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 1: the way, you want to come on the radio sad. Yeah,

2076
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm a sure, no problem, And there we are, and

2077
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: he drinks AL eight, which if you've never had it,

2078
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: it used to be exclusive to Kentucky. You can now

2079
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 1: get it around Central Indiana. But it is a fabulous

2080
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: caffeinated it's called a late one because it's got so

2081
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 1: much caffeine in it, a caffeinated ginger ale beverage. And

2082
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: when I was in college, some buddies and I went

2083
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: camping at Red River Gorge and we had all just

2084
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 1: turned twenty one, and we were so thrilled to go

2085
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 1: and buy beer for the first time on a camping

2086
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: trip legally that we w and we bought two cases

2087
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: of AL eight. We're like this this ale is going

2088
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: to be awesome. And we sat around the fire after

2089
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 1: about an hour and a half somebody's like, man, I'll

2090
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: tell you what. We're just pounding these beers and I

2091
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, running a marathon. Then we looked

2092
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 1: at it. I'm like, oh wait minute, this is a

2093
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 1: caffeinated ginger ale. But al eight is pretty darn good,

2094
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: pretty darn good. All right, colts, who's practicing? Who's not?

2095
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 1: Where do things stand for? Pittsburgh? We will get you

2096
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: up to speed next, Eddie Garrison has been doing nothing. Now,

2097
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 1: how old were you in two thousand and eight? Eddie?

2098
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Where were you in life? Nine? Sorry? Ten? Nine to ten?

2099
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 1: You were bomping around to this at the age of ten.

2100
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, we don't want to play music

2101
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: from when I was ten.

2102
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 2: They can meet Tomorrow's team obviously. On Friday, it's all

2103
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 2: Halloween music. Do you like big Band?

2104
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Uh, okay, your favorite Halloween song? That's

2105
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: a good one, Monster Mash. How many different ones are there?

2106
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean a fair amount. Right, he

2107
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 1: did Mash. I mean it's a good song for sure.

2108
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 1: They did the Moonstone. It was a graveyard smash, that's right.

2109
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: The Halloween theme has to be the first one we

2110
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 1: go with, though, right, do you do that at the

2111
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 1: beginning or at the end. Both the house that Halloween,

2112
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: the original Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis, the block where

2113
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Annie lives and you know they they're walking and he's

2114
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: behind the shrubs and all of that. That's all in

2115
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 1: South Pasadena. I was gonna say that many guys, you've

2116
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 1: been there. Yes, I went there this past year when

2117
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: I was in Long Beach, I think in April. I

2118
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 1: went to the house and there are several right around

2119
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: the corner is the house that was from Peewee's Big Adventure,

2120
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 1: and there's there's all but the whole movie of Halloween

2121
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: is filmed in like a two block area. The hardware

2122
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 1: store that Michael Myers broke into, and the Myers house

2123
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: and all of it's all right there. It was. It

2124
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 1: was actually really cool for the Colts. In fact, Pittsburgh

2125
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:17,120
Speaker 1: has been a house of horrors for them. They have

2126
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 1: not won there since two thousand and eight, and if

2127
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 1: they're going to do so this Sunday, they are going

2128
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 1: to be looking at the availability of the following players, Samson, Ebicom,

2129
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 1: Taekwan Lewis, and Anthony Gould. All three of those though

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Speaker 1: two knee injuries and then in Taekwan Lewis's case a

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Speaker 1: groin injury. Shane Steichen did say even before practice began

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Speaker 1: today that none of those three would practice. But Jalen Jones,

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Speaker 1: it looks like is kind of mending back. It was

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Speaker 1: the limited right direction every practice last week and they

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Speaker 1: have not yet committed to whether or not he will

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Speaker 1: be acting. But Jalen Jones I recalled back at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the year at training camp at Grand Park

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Speaker 1: when we had Jalen Jones on its matter. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to jinx either of the two of us, but

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Speaker 1: it was just before he was hurt, unfortunately, and the

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Speaker 1: discussion then was you know what exactly his involvement would

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Speaker 1: be and how whether he was a main starter. I

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Speaker 1: mean it was the defensive backfield was obviously at that

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Speaker 1: time still kind of wide open in terms of just

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Speaker 1: getting a real feel for where you were going to

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Speaker 1: be because we knew that obviously Ward was an acquisition

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Speaker 1: that was going to see plenty of time, and you

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Speaker 1: knew that the safety position cam bind him now was

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Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a mainstay. And Nick Cross,

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Speaker 1: who I think has really been Nick Cross has exceeded

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Speaker 1: in my opinion expectation this year, and Justin Wally looked

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Speaker 1: like a promising young core. Yeah. And and Johnan Edwards

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Speaker 1: was another one that you know, ended up making the roster,

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Speaker 1: and thank goodness now that that was one because they

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Speaker 1: have had to go really deep into the depth chart

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Speaker 1: because of injuries. Wally that you mentioned is a significant one, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: because I really believe this. I think through camp when

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Speaker 1: they watched I think they really tabbed him as this

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Speaker 1: is a guy that is probably going to be a

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Speaker 1: starter for them.

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Speaker 2: You know, I go back then he you know, just

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Speaker 2: some of the reports that we were getting from rookie

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Speaker 2: mini caamp and what I think the initial depth chart

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Speaker 2: looked like. And Justin Wally was slated ahead of Jalen Jones,

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Speaker 2: and he had to wonder, like Jalen Jones was I

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Speaker 2: forget what the injury was, but Jalen Jones was dealing

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Speaker 2: with an injury during OTAs in mini camp and he

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Speaker 2: missed I think so, but he for sure injured that

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Speaker 2: again in training camp and then he comes back and

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Speaker 2: reaggravates that hamstring injury and Week one to open the season.

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Speaker 2: But it just felt like from the get go that

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Speaker 2: this staff and you heard what Chris Ballard said with that,

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Speaker 2: you know, like with the behind the cults or whatever

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Speaker 2: on a draft day like that was a guy that

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Speaker 2: he did not want to leave the draft without because

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Speaker 2: he had such high praise and loved the character, loved

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Speaker 2: the upside in his the skill set that he brings,

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Speaker 2: and it just felt like he was one of those

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Speaker 2: gems that Chris Ballard has been able to find in

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Speaker 2: the second in the third day of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Does does the Pittsburgh offense overly jump out at you

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Speaker 1: though as intimidating is the wrong word. But I watched,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've seen a fair amount of them, but

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Speaker 1: I watched against Green Bay and even even when they

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Speaker 1: were and yes, they were down, so you know they've

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Speaker 1: got to go to the air, right and Metcalf is

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Speaker 1: a big target. But it does not, to me jump

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Speaker 1: out as an offense. And this is the advantage for

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Speaker 1: the Colts. The Colts offense clicks on all cylinders and

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Speaker 1: is healthy to the point where do you realize the

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Speaker 1: amount of like the pace that the opponent has to

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Speaker 1: play at offensively, not just and in Pittsburgh's case, you know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you think about and the weapons that he

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Speaker 1: has in moving the ball around. But they're not household names,

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Speaker 1: and they don't it's not an offense that is that

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Speaker 1: maintains possession for an extended I'd have to look at

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Speaker 1: their time of possession advantage or disadvantage on the year.

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Speaker 1: But it is getting into the period with the Colts offensively,

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Speaker 1: numerically speaking, they're getting into the category of if you

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Speaker 1: are the opposition, you want to keep the ball out

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones's hands. I'm gonna repeat what I just said,

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Speaker 1: you want to keep the ball out of Daniel Jones's hands. Now,

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Speaker 1: did anybody think that that was going to be a

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Speaker 1: legitimate statement in late July, early August, whenever it was

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Speaker 1: that he signed. If I would have told you that

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Speaker 1: the narrative of you want to keep the ball out

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones's hands was a legitimate one in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, you would have assumed that Colts fans

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Speaker 1: were the only ones that would be saying that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fascinating that you say that. Jake and

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Speaker 2: I go back to the days of when Kansas City was,

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Speaker 2: you know, starting to burst onto the scene with Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey in his prime, tyreeek Hill Kareem Hunt when

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Speaker 2: he was an explosive running back, and that's what team's

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Speaker 2: trying to do. And it just didn't matter because they

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Speaker 2: could get chunk after chunk and they were so methodical

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Speaker 2: on how they could, you know, march down the field

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Speaker 2: and score. That's kind of what I feel like this

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Speaker 2: Colts offense was that right now, Like correct, you can

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Speaker 2: hold on the ball for eight minutes if you want,

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Speaker 2: but your defense still can't stop the Colts from scoring.

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Speaker 2: Like you want to take away Jonathan Taylor. Okay, oh,

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Speaker 2: we'll go to Tyler Warren over in the middle. You

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Speaker 2: want to take Okay, we'll go deep to Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 2: Other thing here Colts can do, Eddie is they can

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Speaker 2: do one of two ways. They can either death you

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Speaker 2: by paper cut or just slash you.

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Speaker 1: Right. If it is a game that is requiring the

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Speaker 1: Colts to maintain possession, to keep the ball out of

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Speaker 1: the hands of when they go to Kansas City on

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Speaker 1: November twenty third, yep, you watch their game plan. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine in particular late in that game is going

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Speaker 1: to be Tyler Warren in different areas and Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: as well, between the tackles, whatever it may be to

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Speaker 1: keep the ball out of the hands of Patrick Mahomes. Now,

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Speaker 1: if Kansas City's offense is clicking that day and Mahomes

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02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,360
Speaker 1: is being Mahomes and you need to get into track

2238
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,440
Speaker 1: meet shootout, they can do that too. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that the Colts have been able to do

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Speaker 1: to this point is when they need to, they can

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Speaker 1: keep the ball away from the opposition. A big part

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Speaker 1: of that, and I talked about this earlier. There are

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Speaker 1: a ton of things when you go they don't do

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Speaker 1: this anymore because it's a different era. I don't think

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02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:19,120
Speaker 1: they do this anymore. But back when people still had

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02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 1: DVD players at the end of the year, the Colts

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02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 1: would send season ticket holders like a DVD of the

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Speaker 1: Colts Season in Review. And if you were to look

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Speaker 1: back at the end of this season and go back

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Speaker 1: and say the season in review, assuming it stays on

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Speaker 1: the same trajectory it's been on and assuming they stay

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Speaker 1: relatively healthy, then one of the things that that documentary

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Speaker 1: should discuss. Of course, Daniel Jones is a huge story.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Tyler Warren is a huge addition. Of Course,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor is arguably the best player in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League Offensively, of course, Alec Pierce has shown a

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Speaker 1: versatility at the receiver position that we did not anticipate

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Speaker 1: going into the year. But a huge and non sexy

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Speaker 1: portion of all of that comes down to what I

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Speaker 1: discussed earlier, and that is that, individually, each member of

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Speaker 1: that offensive line not named Quentin Nelson, every one of

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Speaker 1: them at some point had question marks. Tanner Bordolini, Is

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Speaker 1: this a guy that's going to be able to play center?

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Speaker 1: Should they maintain and you know, re sign Ryan Kelly

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Speaker 1: Bordolini's played different positions in college. Can he be an

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Speaker 1: NFL center? Matc Gonsalvez, he has a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: Some thought he might have been a stretch. He's a

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Speaker 1: big guy, but does he have the range, the movement

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Speaker 1: side the side that is necessary? Braden Smith and how

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Speaker 1: committed he missed a lot of time a year ago.

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Speaker 1: We find out that there were some things going on there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was an OCD issue and and I

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Speaker 1: don't mean that lightly, I mean legitimately, but been a

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Speaker 1: real solid player, but durability at times has been a question.

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Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson goes without saying Bernard Ryman, did they stretch here?

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Speaker 1: He's got remember Bernard Ryman when he came out of

2277
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Speaker 1: the draft, short arms. He's got short same with Breen Smith.

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Speaker 1: And they literally have like the same measurables. They're not

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett though. Right, you don't need the double gloves

2280
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 1: because we have woodans. That's right. But there were question

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Speaker 1: marks about all of them individually. But the sum is

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Speaker 1: so good with all of those parts. And Chris Ballard,

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Speaker 1: whether it's dumb luck or whether it was brilliant scouting,

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02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 1: or whether it was expertise in knowing the trenches of

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, and that Chris Ballard kept preaching,

2286
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 1: kept banging his fist on the table about to anybody

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Speaker 1: who would listen, that the trenches is where football is

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Speaker 1: won and lost. And we all, myself included, and I

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Speaker 1: was the leader of the parade here. We all snickered

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Speaker 1: about it. We all talked about how he was trying

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Speaker 1: to win in an antiquated version and archaic version of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. You don't win in the twenty twenties by

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Speaker 1: winning in the trenches and having solid linebackers and a

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Speaker 1: running game. We need to air it out. You got

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Speaker 1: to go and lo and behold what has happened, and

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Speaker 1: that offensive line right now, we can argue till the

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Speaker 1: cows come home. Whether the most valuable player of the

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Speaker 1: Colts is Daniel Jones or Jonathan Taylor. I think Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor personally is the most explosive offensive player, and I

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Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is the most valuable one because he

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Speaker 1: is obviously the computer that is facilitating everything and firing

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Speaker 1: off everything. But neither one of those are or even

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Speaker 1: in discussion, if it was not for that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: in the cohesiveness of that group, the versatility of that group,

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Speaker 1: the non stop motor of that group, continuing to block

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Speaker 1: two yards down to play three yards down, the play

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Speaker 1: polling and creating areas where Johnathan Taylor at times has

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Speaker 1: a lane that is wider, I would say wider than Meridian.

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Speaker 1: But if you've driven up Meridian in the forties in

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Speaker 1: this town, then you get like super nervous because you're

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02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 1: bumping the curb on the regular. It's very narrow, but nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: by NFL standpoints very wide. That offensive line deserves every

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Speaker 1: flower that they can get, every one of them. And

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Speaker 1: it's an entire season, not just eight games, but through

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Speaker 1: nearly the halfway point now that has been the most

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Speaker 1: under talked about or overlooked aspect of their success. Is

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Speaker 1: JMB here or is he out today? Eddie? I believe

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Speaker 1: JMV is in studio today. We will find out from

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Speaker 1: John what he's got lined up for the big program,

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Speaker 1: and we will do it as part of the crossover,

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Speaker 1: and we will do all of it next. If you

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Speaker 1: are just joining the program, where have you been? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have been playing songs all day that were number

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Speaker 1: one in two thousand and eight, that was the last

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Speaker 1: time the Colts won in Pittsburgh. That led to Eddie

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Speaker 1: commenting that he was ten that year, and so I said, well,

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Speaker 1: we should play songs that were number one at some

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Speaker 1: point from the year that I turned ten. And I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at it here and it's unbelievable. I mean, literally

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Speaker 1: every single one of them. May maybe I'm biased, but

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Speaker 1: every one of them, Eddie, I'm convinced you will know

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Speaker 1: every single song from the year that I turned ten

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Speaker 1: years old? Is that nineteen eighty two? Is how were

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Speaker 1: you saying? Correct? I mean it's and so we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: How about tomorrow? We'll do it tomorrow? Okay, because I

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Speaker 1: have a guess.

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Speaker 2: On my tenth birthday? What's your g oh on your

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02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 2: time birthday? I don't know, but that's got to be

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02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 2: Olivia Newton, John Era, right.

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02:10:05,720 --> 02:10:08,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, John say well?

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02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 9: Is it physical?

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02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 1: What physical? Was the number one song of nineteen eighty two,

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02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 1: But the number one song the day that I turned

2350
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 1: ten years old was that eighty two? This is my playlist?

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02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 1: Totally crap. What month? September? So that would be.

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02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 9: Chicago's hard to say. I'm sorry, no, close real close,

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02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 9: hold on we got yeah, because see that would have

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02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:38,000
Speaker 9: been in seventh grade, so it was amazing.

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02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:38,960
Speaker 1: How you can do that. I mean I'm the same way.

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02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:41,040
Speaker 9: Two eighty three, and I just remember in the fall

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02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:44,280
Speaker 9: listening to hard to Say, I want to hit John.

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02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, soundtrack of a movie, signature song of the movie itself.

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02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:59,280
Speaker 9: So Somebody's Baby Jackson Brown was not number one though, No.

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Speaker 1: Two?

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02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 9: Oh oh well? Endless love.

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02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,360
Speaker 1: Nope, No, that was probably give you one more hint

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02:11:05,400 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 1: from the movie You Ready.

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02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:13,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, prediction huh prediction pain, I have the Tiger and

2365
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 9: go survivor.

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02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:17,320
Speaker 1: I had the Tiger number one when I.

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02:11:17,080 --> 02:11:19,080
Speaker 9: Almost said ebony and ivory.

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02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: That same year a little earlier, that was summer.

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02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was weird. How it's almost like in nineteen

2371
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 9: eighty two, I grew up. I went from sixth grade

2372
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:32,120
Speaker 9: to seventh grade, so it was almost like a matured

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02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:34,480
Speaker 9: Maybe it was just puberty and stuff.

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02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 1: So in other words, so Olivia Newton John in January

2375
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:41,760
Speaker 1: of that year wasn't as much on your radar as

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02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 1: she was by the years.

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02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 9: What did you ever notice in that song? The lyrics

2378
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 9: aren't really talking about working out. You didn't notice that

2379
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:54,520
Speaker 9: in sixth grade, but you were out. It became such

2380
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:58,560
Speaker 9: a workout anthem. But she really wasn't talking about working out.

2381
02:11:58,760 --> 02:12:01,280
Speaker 9: I think she was more to about being worked over.

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02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:02,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

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02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:03,320
Speaker 1: Cool.

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02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:08,040
Speaker 9: I I had a great deal a depth of admiration

2385
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:11,120
Speaker 9: for that song, and we thought it was all bubblegummy

2386
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 9: and stuff, But that thing was that was like PG.

2387
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 9: Thirteen stuff.

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02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:18,839
Speaker 1: What was your favorite song by Oliving John? I loved Xanadu.

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02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:20,400
Speaker 9: I do like magic.

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02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 1: That's a good one. My twist of fate and.

2391
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 9: That's not bad. Well, remember what did I play for

2392
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:28,200
Speaker 9: you once upon a time on the air?

2393
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:29,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

2394
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:29,520
Speaker 1: Heart attack?

2395
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:30,360
Speaker 9: Yes, heart attack?

2396
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:32,800
Speaker 1: I think you did actually from.

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02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 9: The day after the day after. I'm very kind, hey

2398
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 9: joining us now from his hospital bit.

2399
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:42,560
Speaker 1: I remember that.

2400
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:46,960
Speaker 9: I just actually called Matthew Graves and uh nine days

2401
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:49,680
Speaker 9: from Triple Bypass, the head coach of Indiana State because

2402
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,600
Speaker 9: they play Butler later on the night, and Jake I said, hey,

2403
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:55,920
Speaker 9: how you feel. I'm feeling great? Thanks for calling. I go, hey,

2404
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:57,760
Speaker 9: you want to hop on here really quick?

2405
02:12:58,120 --> 02:12:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.

2406
02:12:58,880 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 9: Coming on the show.

2407
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:00,720
Speaker 1: So is he coming on?

2408
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,240
Speaker 9: Mark Schlessinger, their interim coach who's coaching tonight, the team

2409
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:06,880
Speaker 9: from Edgewood High School by the way, nineteen ninety two,

2410
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:10,760
Speaker 9: the former un O head coach, is going to come

2411
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:12,240
Speaker 9: on here. I think right at three they're on a

2412
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:14,200
Speaker 9: bus on their way to Hinkle.

2413
02:13:14,360 --> 02:13:15,760
Speaker 1: Very cool. What else you got lined up on the

2414
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:17,920
Speaker 1: Big show? Iron Eagle three point thirty.

2415
02:13:18,280 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 9: Iron's got the call in Pittsburgh coming up on Sunday, obviously,

2416
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:26,400
Speaker 9: and I think keV will be by here and Denari

2417
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 9: at some point a little bit later.

2418
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,160
Speaker 1: On, Denary's going to have to get himself familiar with

2419
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:32,240
Speaker 1: the roster because they are going to have some new

2420
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:35,400
Speaker 1: faces on the floor tonight, Eddie that everything gets underway

2421
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 1: in Dallas tonight at what time? Eight o'clock?

2422
02:13:37,200 --> 02:13:39,160
Speaker 9: Right here on the fan, you go to a lot

2423
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:43,160
Speaker 9: of NBA games, I do who do you dislike as

2424
02:13:43,160 --> 02:13:47,080
Speaker 9: an official the most? Is there one that stands out?

2425
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:47,720
Speaker 1: Problem?

2426
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 9: Because everybody's used to be Scott Foster or Tony Brothers,

2427
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:57,080
Speaker 9: But I've always thought that they should take a back seat.

2428
02:13:57,120 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 9: I think they're better than this particular pipsqueak.

2429
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,960
Speaker 2: I can't stand Tyler Ford. Huh Tyler Ford? Is that

2430
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 2: where you're going?

2431
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:05,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2432
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:08,600
Speaker 9: He actually I think he got upset once because I

2433
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 9: ripped him. I think I referenced him as a pipsqueak.

2434
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:13,440
Speaker 9: Wants to this a lot because he's from around here.

2435
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 1: Huh.

2436
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:16,720
Speaker 9: Ed molloy, No, I like him better than this guy.

2437
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:20,400
Speaker 9: I cannot stand this guy. And he was working last night.

2438
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 1: Oh Josh Tivans.

2439
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:25,880
Speaker 9: I can't stand Josh Tivin for what reason? I just

2440
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:27,960
Speaker 9: think he's a jackass. I don't think he knows what

2441
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:30,640
Speaker 9: he's doing, and I think he lets stuff. He always

2442
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:35,080
Speaker 9: looks like he's trying to have this justifying conversation with everybody,

2443
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:39,920
Speaker 9: and he's almost always wrong. Replay shows him being wrong.

2444
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:42,800
Speaker 9: There's no way he can get grated out. Well, he's

2445
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:49,520
Speaker 9: a huge jackass. Is that too severe? Jackass? No, their

2446
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 9: NBA guys they make much They make so much more

2447
02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:54,480
Speaker 9: money than everybody. Then you know, that's.

2448
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,480
Speaker 1: Last night with a guy that was like, these officials

2449
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:01,760
Speaker 1: are terrible and it's because they don't make any money

2450
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,680
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to do it. And I'm like, that

2451
02:15:03,800 --> 02:15:04,840
Speaker 1: could not be more in it.

2452
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:07,080
Speaker 9: That would be high school level. That's why I don't

2453
02:15:07,120 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 9: get on those guys, right, because I.

2454
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:12,960
Speaker 1: Understands of the rules that are called are I mean,

2455
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:17,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty unbelievable. Now. I think I told you who

2456
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:22,000
Speaker 1: is help me out here, John, I just blanked bald

2457
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 1: headed official been around forever. He retired like four or

2458
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:29,480
Speaker 1: five years ago. Uh, it's gonna drive me nuts. I'm

2459
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:32,080
Speaker 1: going to think of this we're off the air. Yeah,

2460
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 1: but the Shannon had taken a friend of the game

2461
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,120
Speaker 1: years ago that was a heavy set fellow, and he

2462
02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:41,280
Speaker 1: was all over this official and he was wearing a

2463
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:45,560
Speaker 1: Regi Miller ury and what's that earl? And the official

2464
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 1: looked at him and said, I got to tell you

2465
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:50,360
Speaker 1: that is the biggest Reggie Miller jersey I've ever seen?

2466
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:53,520
Speaker 1: Is that a jersey or a tent? And Shannon's friend

2467
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:55,560
Speaker 1: said back to him, I don't know, but I got

2468
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:57,600
Speaker 1: to have it back to your wife by tomorrow and

2469
02:15:58,160 --> 02:16:00,560
Speaker 1: that's great, and the official was like, that is. So

2470
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 1: he turned Joey Crawford. Joey Crawford, That's what is Joey

2471
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Crawford Toronto. That is so solid? And he bought the

2472
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:09,360
Speaker 1: whole row around the beers and hot dogs.

2473
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:11,720
Speaker 9: That is that's pretty awesome. Hey, by the way, too,

2474
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:15,360
Speaker 9: why don't we know major League Baseball umpires as we

2475
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:17,600
Speaker 9: used to know them. We used to know them, Eric

2476
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 9: Greglan site by name, John McSherry. Yes, Doug Harvey.

2477
02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doug Harvey was a big one. Yeah. I think

2478
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 1: Paul part of that's major League Baseball in general. Right,

2479
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:32,760
Speaker 1: But I've enjoyed the postseason and tonight Game five, Eddie

2480
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:37,280
Speaker 1: who wins Dodgers? I think he might be right. But

2481
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 1: they're going back to Toronto, baby, They're going back to Toronto.

2482
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:42,320
Speaker 1: And you know that Canadian beer is stronger. They're in

2483
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:43,960
Speaker 1: the INDIANPA to Hooters and before you know you're in

2484
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,640
Speaker 1: the movie. Big Daddy John's up next. He will be

2485
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 1: with Indiana State basketball coming up just a couple of minutes.

2486
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:51,880
Speaker 1: We will be back with you at noon tomorrow. And

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02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:53,440
Speaker 1: I thank you for listening to Quary Company.