Speaker 1: So what we have here is the story of he said,
Speaker 1: he said, and he said, he said? Is Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and JD. Vance? Now, nothing about to engage in is
Speaker 1: going to surprise you at all. We are talking about
Speaker 1: two men with two very different views of what the
Speaker 1: job is. What are we talking about. We're talking about
Speaker 1: Iran and in the job. It's a conversation, maybe to
Speaker 1: a larger extent, of how they view America and America's
Speaker 1: role in the world and their job regarding America. I
Speaker 1: would say that if you were to ask both them
Speaker 1: and pull both them, the president and the Vice president
Speaker 1: of the United States, they would say that American safety
Speaker 1: insecurity is job number one. President Trump understands that sometimes
Speaker 1: American safety insecurity means handling it where it is. JD.
Speaker 1: Vance believes that American safety insecurity comes from I'm only
Speaker 1: thinking about America and not paying attention to the rest.
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Speaker 1: This was the story over there at ABC News. Trump
Speaker 1: contradicts Vance says nukes, not oil prices number one priority
Speaker 1: in Iran. Now, for those of us who have been
Speaker 1: paying attention, man, you could have called that one one
Speaker 1: hundred billion miles away. There is a difference between these
Speaker 1: two men. There is a difference in philosophy. And I'll
Speaker 1: start where I start, which is I don't think jd.
Speaker 1: Vance is a dumb guy, not at all. Jd Vance
Speaker 1: approved that he was a capable guy in terms of
Speaker 1: when he broke through. And he said to Martha Raddits,
Speaker 1: do you hear yourself? It was during the it was
Speaker 1: during the run up, and he was still the candidate.
Speaker 1: He is a senator from from Ohio. And Martha Radditts
Speaker 1: of ABC News is talking about trend de Aragua gang
Speaker 1: members who had taken over apartment complexes in Colorado, and
Speaker 1: she said, it's only a handful of apartment complexes and
Speaker 1: jd Vance said, only a handful? Do you hear yourself, Martha?
Speaker 1: And his voice kind of cracked a little bit because
Speaker 1: it was the incredulousness, and it was okay, all right,
Speaker 1: he's he's got this. He's he's handling this, there's no problem.
Speaker 1: And then we went to the Oval Office and Ukraine
Speaker 1: and Vladimir Zelenski. You see, everybody else wants to remember
Speaker 1: it for the dust up, remember it for Trump putting
Speaker 1: Zelenski in his place. Well, Trump was right, I say
Speaker 1: that now just like I said it then. But everyone
Speaker 1: forgets how it happened. How it happened is that jd
Speaker 1: Vance got way over his skis. And when the talking
Speaker 1: was done, jd Vance, sitting on the side couch, decided
Speaker 1: to jump in because he was going to talk about
Speaker 1: how great the president is doing and say that they
Speaker 1: were finally going to use diplomacy. Used diplomacy for what?
Speaker 1: For thwarting Russian aggression? Is that right? You're gonna use diplomacy?
Speaker 1: This was a fantasy of Jade Vance, of the vice president,
Speaker 1: a fantasy, and Vladimir's Lenski. I don't necessarily think it
Speaker 1: was a great guy. I mean, he could have run
Speaker 1: away when Ukraine was attacked and he didn't. There's got
Speaker 1: to be some level of respect for that. He had
Speaker 1: a poor job of asking for help. He just assumed
Speaker 1: it would all come so quickly, and he acted impestuous
Speaker 1: and he acted spoiled, and you know I deserve this.
Speaker 1: That's not the way the world works. It's not the
Speaker 1: way anything works. That's leftism, horsecrap, and nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: be around it or be a part of it. Even
Speaker 1: Joe Biden had to say to him sometimes, would you
Speaker 1: please be easier to deal with I'm giving you billions
Speaker 1: of dollars and all this weaponry. Could you be a
Speaker 1: little nice? And now that part was always legit, and
Speaker 1: that's what Jady Vans tried to pivot to when it
Speaker 1: was already too late, because jd Vance said, we're going
Speaker 1: to use diplomacy, and there's Vladimir's Lenski saying, oh, blah blah.
Speaker 1: We signed this with Russia. They didn't listen to it.
Speaker 1: We signed that with Russia, they didn't listen to it.
Speaker 1: We agreed to this with Russia, they didn't listen to it.
Speaker 1: We'd wanted to do that with Russia. They didn't listen
Speaker 1: to it. What diplomacy are you talking about. We've tried
Speaker 1: all the diplomacy under the sun. What diplomacy are you
Speaker 1: getting at? And that's when jd Vance, the Vice President, said,
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate you coming to the Oval Office and
Speaker 1: arguing with us, have you at least said thank you?
Speaker 1: And that's when Vladimir Zelenski, not perfect with the English,
Speaker 1: started talking about your problem is you don't have a
Speaker 1: rush to deal with. You've got a nice, big ocean.
Speaker 1: But soon you will see. And that's when President Trump
Speaker 1: stepped and said, don't tell us, we'll see. Don't tell
Speaker 1: we have the cards. We have all the cards, the
Speaker 1: beautiful cards. They playing cards, my faces and all the cards.
Speaker 1: I'm the king and the Queen, I'm the jack. Oh.
Speaker 1: I really have a terrible impression of Trump. It's so
Speaker 1: bad because it's not gritty enough. It's not gritty. I
Speaker 1: think Shanon Gillis changed the idea of what a Trump
Speaker 1: impression is. It's a little higher. But it's not that
Speaker 1: I gotta I'll work on it. I swear I will.
Speaker 1: Trump was right. Vance is the guy who stepped in it.
Speaker 1: And that's when you first learned that JD. Vance is
Speaker 1: a very different view of American policy. When JD. Vance
Speaker 1: started talking about the idea that America is not the
Speaker 1: idea America is the soil. Because his great grandparents were
Speaker 1: buried in Appalachia, I never took that one well. Never
Speaker 1: once did I take that one well. I never took
Speaker 1: well that we had a Department of Homeland Security. Are
Speaker 1: we people who think of homeland, land of the free,
Speaker 1: home of the brave number one? Since I put it
Speaker 1: together as homeland, okay, home on I don't know. We're
Speaker 1: the land and we're not the idea. We have land
Speaker 1: that we should protect, but we are an idea. The
Speaker 1: idea is what's powerful. The idea is what lights the world.
Speaker 1: The idea matters. I said, Okay, that is not where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Then we have heard him when discussing Iran
Speaker 1: and discussing this alleged deal in the MoU He said
Speaker 1: it to Megan Kelly said it to others with this,
Speaker 1: it allows us to get out of there. As if
Speaker 1: taking out the Iranian terrorist threat is somehow not worthy
Speaker 1: and not worth our time, not our problem a Lah Tucker,
Speaker 1: Carlson and all the rest of that crowd. That is clearly,
Speaker 1: in my view wrong. I don't argue that we should
Speaker 1: be fighting every war. I don't argue that we should
Speaker 1: be writing every check. It's a terrorist organization that is
Speaker 1: doing us harm. The end, what are we waiting for? You?
Speaker 1: Want to buy into the idea that this is Israel's bidding.
Speaker 1: It's pathetic and it's sad, it's weak, and it's nonsense.
Speaker 1: None of what the Iranian regime wants to do has
Speaker 1: anything to do with Israel. It has to do with
Speaker 1: their wants. And if you think Iran is not a
Speaker 1: threat to America, it's like you've never read a book.
Speaker 1: You don't understand their goals, their desires. It's weak, it
Speaker 1: is pathetically ignorance, and we should say shame on those people.
Speaker 1: If you don't think Trump has gone about the war properly,
Speaker 1: we'll see that would be different. That would be different, right,
Speaker 1: because that's a policy conversation. I'm cool with that, kitten.
Speaker 1: That's a worthy discussion. If you want to argue that
Speaker 1: we should not have gone into Iran, that could also
Speaker 1: be a policy decision. If you want to argue Iran
Speaker 1: is not a threat to the United States, that's laughable, ignorance,
Speaker 1: bull crap. There's the difference. I can handle all the
Speaker 1: other stuff, but that first, that the idea never a
Speaker 1: threat to us. It's just it's pathetic. It is pathetic.
Speaker 1: I say so. And where at any time now we
Speaker 1: hear that about JD. Vance. Let's just get out of there.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, different. Now, this the President coming out
Speaker 1: on a social media post saying that the number one
Speaker 1: goal is and always will be Iran not having a
Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. But it was last week where jd Vance
Speaker 1: said that the goal number one for the administration amid
Speaker 1: the war was to quote keep oil and gas cheap
Speaker 1: for Americans all over the country. And then obviously goal
Speaker 1: number two is ensure that Iran never gets a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1: I feel confident we're accomplishing both of those goals. Now,
Speaker 1: one could argue that a it's a little it was
Speaker 1: a little bump, it's a little thing. It's just the
Speaker 1: way he said. He said the first one, first, he
Speaker 1: said this one. This, it's all the same. I don't
Speaker 1: believe it is all of the same. And we should
Speaker 1: be clear that there is a divide here. This is
Speaker 1: not new, This is not new. But I think this
Speaker 1: divide is where the divide of the country is going
Speaker 1: to come, not left right, right right. I said last
Speaker 1: week that you know we're in we're in midterm season.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this. Midterm elections have begun. Everything is is
Speaker 1: focused on this. This is what the next two months
Speaker 1: are thousand percent. This is what the next two months
Speaker 1: are all about. Every focus is there, and certainly you'd
Speaker 1: rather have lower oil prices to make it easier on
Speaker 1: your candidates. On thousand percent. Can I also put something
Speaker 1: else out into the ether? The post Trump America has begun.
Speaker 1: Trump fans may not want to hear it. You may
Speaker 1: not want to hear it whereever you are on the spectrum,
Speaker 1: but it's here. The post Trump America has begun. Vance
Speaker 1: very clearly, very obviously, is trying to figure out his
Speaker 1: next moves as he runs for president of the United States.
Speaker 1: That is obvious. New York Post reporting that Rubio's outperforming
Speaker 1: Vance in a twenty twenty eight matchup hypothetical. Vance, however,
Speaker 1: had a fundraiser with Donald Trump Junior and some people
Speaker 1: who were the original funders of what was it? Tucker.
Speaker 1: They started on the left. They may still be on
Speaker 1: the left for all I know. One hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a plate, unless you wanted the special meet and greet,
Speaker 1: it was two hundred fifty thousand dollars a plate. He's
Speaker 1: raising money and he has got Donald Trump Junior on
Speaker 1: his side. Hard Donald Trump Junior has lied, not lied.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, don't read other things, Tony while you're doing
Speaker 1: the show. That's foolhardy. Donald Trump Junior worked aggressively to
Speaker 1: get jd Vance to be the vice president. He has
Speaker 1: talked about this, braggs about this, brad about moving President
Speaker 1: Trump into picking jd Vance. I say, as clear as day,
Speaker 1: jd Vance was never my guy. He was not the
Speaker 1: guy I would have selected for vice president. The guy
Speaker 1: I would have selected for vice president Sarah huckeby Sanders.
Speaker 1: I would have picked the governor of Arkansas ten thousand.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about somebody who got through
Speaker 1: the first term smelling like a rose, turned herself into
Speaker 1: a player, and has capacity, Sarah huckeby Sanders. What should
Speaker 1: we discuss this? Now we are in it and in
Speaker 1: the post Trump world? The right versus right argument isn't
Speaker 1: actually about Israel, and isn't even a specific conversation regarding
Speaker 1: foreign policy. It is the idea of is America a
Speaker 1: leader or is America America better leaving alone? Isolationist America
Speaker 1: versus allied America. Now I say allied America. I do
Speaker 1: not say entangled America, because I think that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of places where a bunch of US we
Speaker 1: have crossover. I don't. I have no issue with taking
Speaker 1: on the Iranian regime. I do have issue with the
Speaker 1: idea of nation building. You know how much nation building
Speaker 1: I want to do in the Gaza Strip? Zero less
Speaker 1: than zero. Do I want to help thwart the Chinese
Speaker 1: presence in African nations? Yes? Do. I absolutely want to
Speaker 1: eliminate it in South America and Central America? You bet,
Speaker 1: you bet I do. What's the take from jd Vance
Speaker 1: on that? Is jd Vance a Monroe doctrine, Guy Monroe doctrine.
Speaker 1: President Monroe was about limiting European influence in the Western hemisphere.
Speaker 1: Now we have to discuss it as a limiting of
Speaker 1: Chinese influence in the Western hemisphere. And have we now
Speaker 1: engaged the idea that we keep this hemisphere and they
Speaker 1: have that hemisphere? We move the US S George Washington
Speaker 1: out of theater. It's now in the Middle East. We're
Speaker 1: leaving the US US Abraham Lincoln. We supposedly are going
Speaker 1: to be replacing that carrier group in the Pacific. When
Speaker 1: will be a question is it already there steaming its way?
Speaker 1: Will it's a good question. Maybe we are already into
Speaker 1: these things, and maybe this will appease the Vance types.
Speaker 1: But this divide between Trump and Vance, I don't think
Speaker 1: it is just a little bit of a little hiccup thing.
Speaker 1: I think it is a real fundamental difference about not
Speaker 1: caring whether or not Iran is a nuclear weapon. But
Speaker 1: the people who say Iran was never getting a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 1: it's just it's so laughable. Just deal with the reality
Speaker 1: of who they are, what they want, what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Dear Lord, they could be enriching uranium right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on in Pickax Mountain, and neither
Speaker 1: do you. I'm assuming America as a whole, our apparatus
Speaker 1: has an idea what's going on. But Trump advanced we're
Speaker 1: talking about actual different visions for America, and Rubio and
Speaker 1: Vance definitely are, and you and I might be. And
Speaker 1: this is where we're at. This is where the right is.
Speaker 1: It starts now, it starts now. What's the vision for
Speaker 1: America going forward? What's our vision of the world going forward? Yeah,
Speaker 1: got a lot more than midterms to contend with.