1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: So you've got Marco Rubio in Geneva working on a 4 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: piece steel between Ukraine and Russia. You've got President Trump 5 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: on the phone with Jijun Ping today, as reported he 6 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: is the despot of China. Might not let's say that? No, 7 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: you know, sorry, I just thought. I just thought, you know, 8 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: being a honest would matter a conversation at US Chinese relations, 9 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Taiwan and Ukraine. 10 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: So what comes from that? Hey? 11 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: Talking world leaders is part of the gig Tony Katz. 12 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. Good to be here, Good to be 13 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: with you. Find everything I do over at Tony kats 14 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: dot com. And it was Marco Rubio speaking to the 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: press assembled there in Geneva, saying, hey, we're we're on 16 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: to something here. 17 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: Pretty great. Good day today. 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: I think we made a tremendous amount of progress even 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: from the last time I spoke to you, and I 20 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 4: apologizing for keeping you waiting, but there was more work 21 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: to be done. 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: You know. 23 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: We began almost three weeks ago with a foundational document 24 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: that we socialized and ran by both sides and with 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: input from both sides. And one of the things that 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 4: happens when you've been involved in this now for ten 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 4: months is you get a pretty good sense of what 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: the priorities and the red lines and the important issues 29 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: are for both sides, and so that allowed us to 30 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: create a foundational document, which has been an ongoing working document. 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: In fact, over. 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: The last ninety six hours or more, there's been extensive 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: engagement with the Ukrainian side, including our Secretary of the 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: Army and others being on the ground in Kiev, meeting 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: with relevant stakeholders across the Ukrainian political spectrum in the 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: legislative branch and the executive branch and the military and 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: others to further sort of narrow these points. We arrived 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: here today with one goal, and the goal was to 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: take what's twenty eight points or twenty six points depending 40 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: on which version as it continue to evolve, and try 41 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: to narrow the ones that were open items, and we 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: have achieved that today in a very substantial way. Now, obviously, 43 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: like any final agreement, they'll have to be agreed upon 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: by the presidents, and there are a couple issues that 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: we need to continue to work on. 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: But I think I. 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: Assume one of those issues is land and who owns what. 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: Now. 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: This was a little bit confusing over the weekend because 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: what got reported was this deal was somehow not our deal. 51 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: The reporting was was that this was a deal that 52 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: was put forward by the Russians kind of their wish 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: list that according to a group of centers I believe, 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: including Senator Angus, King of Maine, So that this idea 55 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: of this of this big piece deal where where Ukraine 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: gives up the Dune Bass, they give up to nexkin Luhanskan, 57 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: these larger parts of of Portia, which is to say, 58 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: land that Russia doesn't even control right now, that would 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: that would be part. 60 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: Of this deal. 61 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: We've always said that most probably Ukraine can not have 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: to give up land, and that was the plan. And 63 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: then the Russians didn't come to the table. So Trump said, well, 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: maybe we'll be on the side of the Ukraine and 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Russia will will fall apart, maybe Ukraine will get all 66 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: their land back, who knows. 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: And then that didn't happen, and Trump said, okay, well 68 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: then you Krane's. 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: Gonna give up land, but I'm gonna get a piece Deele. 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: It's gonna get signed, and I'm gonna be out of this. 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I did what I could promise, has 72 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: made promises kept. Trump is going to do exactly that. 73 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: Easier to give Ukraine to give, to get Ukraine to 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: give up plan because as Trump said accurately in that 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: Oval office dust up, they don't have the cards. It's 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: Jdi Vance who played it wrong. It's Donald Trump who 77 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: played it perfectly. In that scenario. 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: JD. 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: Vance pushed back on on Vladimir Zelenski, why haven't you 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: tried diplomacy? Zelenski said, We've tried everything under the sun. 81 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: What are you talking crazy for? Then's then a Vance 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: on his heels was like, you don't even say thank you. 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: Then uh, Zelenski in a broken English and improperly said 84 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: you don't have to deal with the Russians, but you 85 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: will see. 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: And that's when Trump stepped in and said, you don't 87 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: talk to us like that. 88 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: And people who are maggot and people who are independage 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: were like, yep, you don't talk to us like that. 90 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: We're not going to take that kind of nonsense in 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: the Oval, not now, not once, not ever, No, no, no, no, no, no, 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: just not going to have any part from there was 93 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: the cooling off. From there was hey, Ukraine, take this deal. 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: From there was the meeting with Vladimir Putin and anchorage. 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: From there was the meeting with the world leaders when 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: they realized, wait a second, Vladimir said these things before. 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin said these things before, we don't buy into 98 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: any of it. Then came the Russians saying, we didn't 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: listen to a thing, single thing we said to you. 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: Here we are today, Here we are today, and Marco 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: Rubio saying that things look good. 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: The report today is that I think today was worthwhile. 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: It was very, very pretty. It is probably the. 104 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: Most productive day we have had on this issue, maybe 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: in the entirety of our engagement, but certainly in a 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: very long time. But work remains, and because this continues 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: to be a working process, you know, I don't want 108 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: to declare victory or finality here. There's still some work 109 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: to be done. But we are much further ahead today 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: at this time than we were when we began this 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: morning and where we were a wee cou ago. 112 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: For certain. 113 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm glad that the deal is working. I'm glad that 114 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: you are ahead of where you thought you would be. 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: The question before us is whose deal is this? 116 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: Because these senators said, this is not the American deal, 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: this is a Russian wish list, to which. 118 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: You had. 119 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: Rubio come out and say that is absolutely not the case. 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: This is one thousand percent our deal. So it is 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: our deal to tell Ukraine to give it up. 122 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: This is over. There's a part of this that does 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: not compute. 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: And the part that does not compute is the part 125 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: of US selling. 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Weaponry to NATO. And NATO was going. 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: To have a large play inside Ukraine. 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: Wasn't that the big talk? Wasn't that the big everything? 129 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: That that the that NATO was going to get involved 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: and there was gonna be some level of peacekeeping for us. 131 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: And Mark Root, who is the Secretary General. 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Of NATO, was talking tough and and and and Trump's 133 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: doing great here and doing great there, and they're gonna 134 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: sell us arms and we're gonna utilize this and why 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 2: isn't that happening? 136 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't, It doesn't sound like it's happening. Did NATO 137 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: talk a. 138 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: Big game to try and engage a pressure campaign on 139 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: the Russians and then when realizing that didn't work, they said, oh, well, 140 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: we're not going to go to Ukraine. We're still Europeans 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: at heart, and we're just afraid because that's what it 142 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: looks like. 143 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: There was. 144 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: A lot of discussion about how NATO was going to 145 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: be strong and they were going to have this force, 146 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: and now nothing. Something happened, something changed to bring us 147 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: to this place at this time. 148 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: I don't think that's out of the out of bounds 149 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: to say. 150 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: As for whether or not I think the Ukrainians are 151 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: going to take this deal, I'm like you. I don't 152 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: think they have an option. I don't think they have 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: an option. I don't think there's any place for them 154 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: to go. Is this the case, as is being asked 155 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: on the live shame of Ukraine running out of troops 156 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: certainly possible. They can't lose as many people as the 157 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: Russians can lose. I think this is more a conversation 158 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: of everybody else running out of interest. I find it 159 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: ugly to think that we don't see as valuable the 160 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: freedom and security of Ukraine. This is not a question 161 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: whether or not Ukraine's perfect. 162 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: They're not. We don't have to even question that. 163 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: But you can't identify or you can't what's the best 164 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm looking for you have to accept the fact that 165 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: the Russians engage this. The Russians did this, the Russians invaded, 166 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: and now they're going to get in many. 167 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: Ways rewarded with an invasion. 168 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: And the world said, okay, And I think there's something 169 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: really problematic about that. There's something very ugly about that. Yes, 170 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: these areas in the donbask are indeed im ethnically Russian. 171 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: There's a reality to this. I don't say no, But 172 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: what happened here is Vladimir Putin walked in clumsily, may 173 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: I add, like a giant oath, like a baffoon, and 174 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: he's gonna get his wish. 175 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: I can't see how Ukraine's gonna walk away. Do I 176 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: like it? No? I do not. 177 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: I think it's ugly as can be. Sometimes his reality 178 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: is as ugly as can be. We'll see what happens next. 179 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Green resigned. AM I supposed to get upset? 180 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: I've got that breakdown coming up. Keep it here. I'm 181 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 182 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: So Marjorie Taylor Green resigns, AM I supposed to? 183 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: I don't know care. I guess that's the right. 184 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: Question, Am I supposed to care that she's going to 185 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: leave the House of Representatives? 186 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: Hi? 187 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 5: Everyone, I've always represented the common American man and woman 188 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 5: as a member of the House of Representatives, which is 189 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 5: why I've always been despised in Washington, DC and just 190 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: never fit in. 191 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: I don't think that's why you were despised. 192 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but the space lasers may 193 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: have had something to do with it. Tony Katz, Tony 194 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Katz today, Good to be here, Good to be with you. 195 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Find everything I do over. 196 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: Tony kats dot com. I've always said of Marjorie Taylor Green, 197 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get some votes out of her that I like. 198 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: After that, I've got nothing. I'm not interested in her. 199 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in having her in my house. I 200 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: don't think there's anything unique or special or intellectual about her. 201 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: Do I think that we agreed on a couple of things. Yes. 202 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 3: Did I mind her saying we have to release the 203 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: Epstein files? No, not at all. 204 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: But why did the way she did it get the 205 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: ire of Trump if you will, and other people didn't. Oh, 206 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: it's the connection to Thomas Massey, the congressman from Kentucky. 207 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: Who can I share a story. 208 00:12:52,800 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: I have never had an issue with Thomas Massey, and 209 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: then he started having a real issue with Israel, and 210 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: I thought he was just wrong. You know, the argument 211 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: of we shouldn't be giving this much foreign aid, Well, 212 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: that's a standard for him. He was getting into the 213 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: ugly and I didn't understand why he was doing it. 214 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: Didn't make any sense that this is what happens when 215 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: you follow these bots that talk about, oh look what's 216 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: happening in Gaza. None of them are from in Gaza. 217 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 3: They're all lies. 218 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: And that has been outed as of the last couple 219 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: of days, and it's only showing more and more how 220 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: much nonsense is happening on social media, how bs the 221 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: influence is, and the unbelievably susceptible fools who buy into 222 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: this stuff. You'll be able to follow them on social media, 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: especially on Twitter X, because they're the people who send 224 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: me such unbelievably stupid comments. Massy recently announced that his wife. 225 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: Passed away. 226 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: Awful, awful, awful story this was. 227 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 3: Was it brain cancer? I believe it was. 228 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: It was a very long drawn out story, and certainly 229 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: felt awful for him. 230 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: Then it got announced that a year later he got remarried. 231 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: He was married to his first wife for thirty one years, 232 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: and a year later he got remarried. As just I'm 233 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: gonna put it out there, and people do things the 234 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: way they do them, and morning is different, and the 235 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: way they view their lives are different. I have no 236 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: capacity to understand this at all. I don't have to. 237 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: I'm saying I don't have to. It's an aside. I 238 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: don't understand how this happens. I didn't say people don't 239 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: get remarried. I don't have an opposition to remarriag I 240 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: don't live their lives. I don't know what it is 241 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: that moves them. I just simply cannot get my arms 242 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: around it. No, I don't have to, but yes, I 243 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: would like to understand it, because it looks odd as 244 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: all get out. Thomas Massey. I just hope the man's happy. 245 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: I just wish the guy wasn't so angry about everything. 246 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: And his Israel position is pathetically ignorant, so is that 247 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: of Marjorie Taylor Green, because they are not making an 248 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: argument about the idea of what's best for the United States. 249 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: They're making an anti argument that somehow it's about. 250 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Them, and I always took that as a pathetic and 251 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: bad argument. Marjorie Taylor Green wasn't an intellectual on this. 252 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: She was Candace Owen's light, which I just realized is 253 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: gonna be taken in a bunch of different ways. And 254 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: I meant not as impactful. Oh, there's going to be 255 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: a lot of emails. 256 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 5: Just so many Americans are used by the political industrial 257 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 5: complex of both political parties election cycle after election cycle, 258 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 5: in order to elect to whichever side can convince Americans 259 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 5: to hate the other side more, and the results are 260 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: always the same. No matter which way the political pendulum swings, 261 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 5: Republican or Democrat, nothing ever gets better for the common 262 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 5: American man or woman. 263 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people who can buy 264 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: into that, believe that. 265 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: Share in that that this what we see in Congress 266 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: often doesn't get us anywhere. It doesn't amount to anything. 267 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: We don't gain value. We're utilized as the pawns. And 268 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: that's that. Well, that would be a worthy statement. And 269 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: then you say, and that's why being in Congress is 270 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: not helpful. I'd rather try and be impactful from the outside. 271 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm going to resign. 272 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: So she said all that in thirty seven seconds. 273 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: She then has another nine plus minutes of just bothering you. 274 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 5: The debt goes higher, corporate and global interests remain Washington's sweethearts. 275 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: American jobs continue to be replaced, whether it's by illegal 276 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 5: labor or legal labor, by visas or just shipped overseas. 277 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 5: Small businesses continue to be swallowed by big corporations. Americans 278 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 5: hard earned tax dollars always fund foreign wars, foreign aid, 279 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 5: and foreign interest, and the spending power of the dollar 280 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 5: continues to decline. The average American family can no longer 281 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 5: survive on a single breadwinner's income, as both parents have 282 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 5: to work in order to simply survive. And today many 283 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 5: in my children's generation feel hopeless for their future and 284 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 5: don't think they will ever realize the American dream. 285 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: Now, I'll get into a whole thing about gen Z, 286 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: but all right, you've laid this out, now what? 287 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 5: And that breaks my heart. I ran for Congress in 288 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 5: twenty twenty and have fought every single day, believing that 289 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 5: make America great again meant America first. I have one 290 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 5: of the most conservative voting records in Congress, defending the 291 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 5: First Amendment, Second Amendment, unborn babies because I believe God 292 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: creates life at conception, and I love to fight for 293 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: the little guy, strong safe borders. I have fought hard 294 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 5: for that. I've fought against COVID tyrannical insanity and mandated 295 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 5: mass vaccinations. And I've never voted to fund foreign wars 296 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 5: with your harder and tax dollars. 297 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: And that's how it goes for another eight plus minutes, 298 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: her with a litany of I've done everything right and 299 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: everybody else has done everything terrible. Now it gets a 300 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: little deeper in spots where she says, so Trump no 301 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: longer loves me, He's not going to endorse me. What 302 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: do you want me to do? Run for office? Where 303 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: Trump spends millions of dollars against me, and then I win, 304 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: and I now have to defend him against impeachment from 305 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: the Democrats when they get control of the House. 306 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: Which they will. I'm not being a part of that. 307 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: She spent over nine minutes creating a video that could 308 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: have been done in forty five seconds, and she wants 309 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: you to feel bad for her. That's a huge part 310 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: of this. That's only one part. Morris coming up, I'm 311 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: Tony Kats. 312 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 6: In March of twenty twenty four. I wrote a piece 313 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 6: and I talked about the three eyes that were killing Americans. 314 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 6: Immigration interest rate and closer and immigration, immigration interest rates 315 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: and inflation presents, closed the border, and the mass immigration 316 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 6: is gone. 317 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: That was really weird, Like everything just started repeating, sorry 318 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: about that. 319 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: I was really weird. The wrong button. Tell me. Everything 320 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: just started repeating, sorry about that. Oh good lord, I 321 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: think I figured it out. I hit a wrong button 322 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: and everything just went nuts. Oh gosh, I thought. 323 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: I was losing my mind. You're not crazy. The drugs, 324 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: the sixties are over? Were fine? Who Tony Kats, Tony 325 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: Kats today, Good to be with you. Find everything I 326 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: do over tonycats dot com. That is Scott Besant. He 327 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: was on Meet the Press with Kristen Welker talking about 328 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: the economy. 329 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 6: In March of twenty twenty four. I wrote a piece 330 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 6: and I talked about the three eyes that were killing Americans, immigration, 331 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 6: interest rates and inflation presents, closed the border, and the 332 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: mass immigration is gone, and that was putting a lot 333 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 6: of the immigrations putting upward pressure on housing, downward pressure 334 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 6: on wages. Interest rates are down, and now we are 335 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 6: starting to see affordability. The prices get better. We had 336 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 6: a very big October for home sales. Energy prices, Gasoline 337 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 6: is down, we saw. 338 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: We believe healthcare is going to come down. 339 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 6: We will see an announcement this coming week on that, 340 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: and so across the board, prices are starting to come down. 341 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 6: We're having Thanksgiving week. This will be the lowest cost 342 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 6: for Thanksgiving dinner in four years. 343 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: You got to stop it with the Thanksgiving dinner stuff. 344 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: No one believes that one at all. You sound ridiculous. 345 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: You sound like Joe Biden saying, look at how much 346 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: we've reduced the cost of your Fourth of July barbecue. 347 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: First of all, it's independence cent fourth of July. Secondly, 348 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: it was like eighteen cents. Don't do that to people. 349 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: It's a mistake. I am Scott Bessens. I know heard 350 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: me on Sean Spicer's show talk about him and the messaging. 351 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 3: I know this because I was told this. It happened. 352 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: You know, I talked about Steve Bannon playing the clip 353 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: and Steve Bannon with the nonsense insult calling me a 354 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: stock Republican. 355 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: Sound ridiculous, Steve, ridiculous. I'm embarrassed for you on that one. 356 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: Good gosh, and I deserved better, Steven, but I know 357 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 2: that Besson heard it. 358 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 3: I will not in any way. 359 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: Take credit for the idea of Besson talking more about 360 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: these things. I think I was correct that he wasn't 361 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: getting aggressive enough in the messaging about costs, coming down 362 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: about what it is we're dealing with, about the things. 363 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: That they're doing and why they're working. 364 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: You cannot tell people things are getting better. You have 365 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: to show them in their pocket book how things are better. 366 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: That's reality. 367 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: So Besson's can lecture with his perfectly pressed suits and 368 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: well nodded full windsor all he chooses. Is it costing 369 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: me less for my insurance? Is it costing me less 370 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: for gas? Is it costing me less for milk? Now, 371 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: it's not yet costing me less for insurance. It's a 372 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: real problem. It is absolutely costing me less for gas. 373 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: Talk about that it is not yet. 374 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: At all costing you less for milk. 375 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 2: Don't sell Americans on something that is not happening. Don't 376 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: do it. It's a nonsense, ridiculous. 377 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: Thing to do. 378 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: Now, there was an interesting thing about healthcare there where 379 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 2: it's rumored that Trump is going to come forward with 380 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: a plan to rethink the Affordable Care Act. The subsidies 381 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: are going to expire at the end of the year. 382 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: They don't seem to in certain ways be coming back. 383 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: They may call the vote on this. I don't think 384 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: the vote's going to pass. And people who get Obamacare 385 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: are going to pay a higher price, And of course 386 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: the Democrats are going to utilize that. They've already told 387 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: you they don't care. I people pay a higher price. 388 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: They don't care if kids starve. Democrats don't care if 389 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: kids starve. They don't they it's they're fine by that 390 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: as long as they get if it gets them power. 391 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: Let the kids starve, let them not eat cake, I believe, 392 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: is what Representative Costio Cortez I would say. 393 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: At this moment. So the plan. 394 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: As is described is something called the Healthcare Price Cuts Act, 395 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: and the idea. 396 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: Is that why does money. 397 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Flow to these subsidies, to hospitals and others, Why can't 398 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: it flow back to the people now. As a matter 399 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: of just course, I object to all this stuff vehemently, 400 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: because I object to Obamacare vehemently. 401 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: I object the Chief Justice John Roberts. But I can't 402 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: go back in time. 403 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: The idea that we would pay the government that we 404 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: let them take our money through the most obscene concept, 405 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: which is the income tax, which has the federal government 406 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: being my partner in the utilization of my labor. That's 407 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: what it is. I offer up my labor, someone pays 408 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: for my labor. Why the hell is the government a 409 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 2: silent partner in my labor? 410 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: Well, Tony, the country has to run. 411 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: Screw that a million ways we can make that done. 412 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm asking a different question. My labor belongs to me. 413 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: I utilize it as I see fit. There is a 414 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: value for it, and people then compete for that value. 415 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: And you also have to be able to make money 416 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: for your partners, which I do in great measure. Why 417 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: is the government involved in that contract. They don't deserve 418 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: any part of my income. Screw them, every member of Congress, 419 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: every member of the executive branch, every member of the judiciary. 420 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: I don't give a damn. 421 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: They don't deserve any part of my income. That is 422 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: an affront. I now become an appendage, a slave if 423 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: you will, of their desires. But if you engage taxes 424 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: on goods, well, I could choose whether or not I 425 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: buy the good. I can choose whether or not the 426 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: choice is worth the squeeze. I have no issue with this. 427 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 2: If states charge an income tax. 428 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: I have no issue. I don't like it. 429 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: I might leave a state. I would go to a 430 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: state that maybe has a lower income tax. But states 431 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: have rights. 432 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: Federal government has no right to charge an income tax. 433 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: To hell with them, and anybody thinks like them not interested, 434 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: don't want to hear it. Well tony, you don't want 435 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: to fund the government. Well tony, you don't care about 436 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: these people. 437 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 3: We whoa whoa whoa. 438 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: My labor is mine, and if anybody thinks they're entitled 439 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: to a part of it, I say, let's fight. I'm 440 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: talking about Jackson's shark style. I'm sorry, am I the 441 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: first person ever to explain it like this? Because there's 442 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: no way possible. I'm the first person ever to explain 443 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 2: it like this, if only because I know that Reason 444 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: magazine exists, So there's just no way. I'm the first guy. 445 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: But that's the fundamental issue. 446 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 5: I have. 447 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: The idea that the government takes our money and now 448 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: is going to dole it back to us, and we're 449 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 2: supposed to say thank you. 450 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: Ooh who. 451 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 3: Despicable. Despicable. 452 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: But let's hold off on that, just for a moment 453 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: to understand what is being discussed here. Terminate what the 454 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: White House refers to a surprise premium hikes generated by 455 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: the ACA. Eliminate zero premium subsidies currently offered under the 456 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act Obamacare, which would stop ghost beneficiaries, you know, 457 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: fraudulent policies and things like that. 458 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: Take the money that would go to all of these 459 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: groups and give it back to the people. 460 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: I haven't done enough looking in, I haven't done enough research, 461 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: I haven't done enough talking to people who know more 462 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: about this than I do. 463 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: There are two questions to be asked in. 464 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: This conversation, which is true of all economic conversations. Number One, 465 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: are we talking about a conversation? Are we talking about something. 466 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: You can make real? Can you get Thomas Massey to 467 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: vote for it? Meaning? Can you get it past the House? 468 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: Can you get it past the Senate? You're going to 469 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: change Obamacare? 470 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: Fundamentally, Democrats are going to scream you're killing Grandma now. 471 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: Unless you're willing to tell those Democrats to shut their mouths, 472 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: you dirty freaks. 473 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: Unless you're willing to walk up to Chuck Schumer while 474 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: he's doing an interview with CNN and say. 475 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: Chuck, you are a lying freak. To hell with you 476 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: and your whole family. You also don't know how to 477 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: make a cheeseburger, shut it and then walk away. You've 478 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: got a problem. You got to be able to fight 479 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: that fight properly to be able to get the vote. Secondly, 480 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: what is the immediate result? What's the immediate result for 481 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: the for that American citizen? What is the immediate results overall? 482 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: Do people all of a sudden see a lowering of 483 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: healthcare costs so they can then say Trump and Republicans 484 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: lowered healthcare costs. Now you understand that by doing this, 485 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: you're not removing the Affordable Care Act, You're not removing Obamacare, 486 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: which I see as an issue. Republicans have had over 487 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: a decade to come up with a better plan feel 488 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: the air quotes, and they've never done it. 489 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: They have failed epically on that subject. 490 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: You've got polling that state seventy four percent of Americans 491 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: supporting it's sending the tax credit, including fifty percent of Republicans. 492 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: I do not count me amongst the people who are rational. No, no, no, 493 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: we actually have to fix the problem. Is this a fix? 494 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: I think this is a code of fine and that 495 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: I consider worrisome. But if you return the money directly 496 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: to the people and that is seen as an immediate savings, 497 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: immediate more money in the pocket, then it's the win. 498 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: And that, Secretary Besson, is my story to you. 499 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: Don't tell people things are coming, although it's good to 500 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: explain them and then claim something is here that isn't 501 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: explain what you're doing, why it matters, why we're in 502 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: this fight together, what's coming down the line, these things 503 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: that were working on every day. Tell the story that 504 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: is inspirational. Don't undercut your message with hey, Thanksgiving meal 505 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: costs twenty five percent less. 506 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: I don't care what Walmart said. We don't want Walmart thanksgivings. 507 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: We at the very least want of Target Thanksgiving. You 508 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 3: get my point. 509 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: You can win this arguments. You're smart enough, you are 510 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: the guy. You're the adult in the room. Keep adulting. 511 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz, and this right here is Tony Katz. 512 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: Today someone asked me in the chat room did I 513 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: think that Ron DeSantis was running for president in. 514 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty eight? 515 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: And I yeah, I think everybody's gonna run for president 516 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: at least right now. Tony Katz Tony kats today, guys, 517 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: good to be here, Good to be with you. I 518 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: am on the YouTube's right there. 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And one of the things 528 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: that brings Ron DeSantis' name back is that Ron DeSantis 529 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: was talking about Doge and he said, Doge fought the 530 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: swamp and the swamp won. Doge is shutting down Corn 531 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: of Federal Officials, Office of Personnel Management, DOGE doesn't exist 532 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: as a centralized entity. The Department of Government Efficiency has dissolved. 533 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: Very disappointed. Doge was the right idea. Doge was everybody's saying, 534 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: this is what I voted for. And if you had 535 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: a Doge without Elon, but you were going about engaging 536 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 2: these cuts, going about engaging these reductions, we'd all be pleased. 537 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 3: To end this early? Is wrong? 538 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 2: Now you could argue, well, no, no, I see they're 539 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: doing it this way, they're doing it that way, They're 540 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: doing it the other way. You could do it in 541 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: a lot of ways. But where are the conversations about 542 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: the reductions every day? Is usaid really gone? Are we 543 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: going to find another six months it's been reconstituted somehow. 544 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: Are you telling me that what we have, this bloat, 545 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: this wreckage, is just the way it's always going to 546 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: be for forever and all we are is on the 547 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: slow decline. I'm personally not a wanter of that, and 548 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: I don't think you are either. One must run fast 549 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: and break things sometimes, and Doge was doing just that. 550 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: This isn't the time to give up the ship. This 551 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: is the time to triple down. 552 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: And anybody willing to pick up that mantle is gonna 553 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: have a good opportunity in twenty twenty eight. 554 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today.