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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe these characters are WEIRDO?

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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Chase Cinnehammer is out, the gun guy,

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Speaker 1: Guy Relford is in. Guy Ralford had quite the interesting evening,

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Speaker 1: to say the least. We will get to that coming

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Speaker 1: up in Monday Gun Day. I'm sorry you go through so.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you put up with some of

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Speaker 1: the crap that you do, Guy, But the story you

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Speaker 1: have to tell during Monday gun Day is it's just

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Speaker 1: I'm shaking my head so annoying.

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Speaker 3: But what we'll get to it, as you said. But

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Speaker 3: I also I'm not going to blow it out of

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Speaker 3: proportionate agab right on, right on.

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Speaker 1: The old man went and did it. He did it.

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Speaker 1: Governor Braun planning to call lawmakers back to the state

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Speaker 1: House next month to redraw Indiana's congressional districts and address

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Speaker 1: the secondary the state and federal tax compliance is you

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Speaker 1: but I think it's Monday. They're calling the session for

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Speaker 1: redistricting November third. Governor Brown, earlier this morning on social media, quote,

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Speaker 1: I am calling a special legislative session to protect Hoosiers

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Speaker 1: from efforts in other states that seek to diminish their

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Speaker 1: voice in Washington and ensure their representation in Congress is fair.

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Speaker 1: So look, man, I've been on the fence about this,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not anti redistricting, kind of like Rob Kendall is.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, look, if the goal is

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Speaker 1: right call, is it not. I mean people's going to

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Speaker 1: say it's purely politically motivated, but yeah, it's politics. This

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Speaker 1: is what this is.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's take a quick step back though, calling the

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Speaker 3: special sessions? Would you have won the vote on that,

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Speaker 3: on whether Governor Brown was going to call the special

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Speaker 1: Well, he was in here the last time he was

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so this did not come as a surprise

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Speaker 3: to you when he called this.

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Speaker 1: It didn't come as a surprise to me only because

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Speaker 3: Right right here on hammer in Nigel. Okay, Well, and

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Speaker 3: so now that now that it's called. Then your next question, uh,

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Speaker 3: I think it is the most important one, which is

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Speaker 3: long term for Hoosiers. I think that that becomes a

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Speaker 3: really interesting question.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, if you if you think honest representation is

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Speaker 1: what's right, this seems a little unethical, even though they

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Speaker 1: have every right, every right to do it, and other

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Speaker 1: it and counter and and and just look, the thing is,

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Speaker 1: they didn't call a special session for property tax. They

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Speaker 1: didn't call you know, all other things, all sorts of

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Speaker 1: There does seem to be questions as to whether or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the answer I have an answer for it.

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Speaker 3: I called a special session. Now you got to go

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's a risky call too, because Donald

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Speaker 3: There's one difference in there, which is that the legislature

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Speaker 3: Here that individual legislators, a lot of them have expressed

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Speaker 3: But to me, it boils down. It's really a pretty

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Speaker 1: And I really can't imagine Braun would call that special

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Speaker 1: then you know, the leadership of the Senate is going

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Speaker 3: Well, And it's a great point, notge And it's something

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Speaker 3: The problem is a lot of people behind closed doors

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Speaker 3: But when finally called upon to stand up and be

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, now they're voting for it. So things say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: means to achieve your objective, because people will be cowards

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Speaker 1: Some of the atmosphere at Lucas Oil yesterday you were

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Speaker 1: What was the mood, the tone, the tenor the what

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Speaker 3: exactly what happened. And it was fun to have that

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Speaker 1: Is this eight touchdown run from letting back Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 1: Tight rumping that left sideline no problem for the great

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Speaker 1: MVP right here with them. It was fun. Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 5: We feed off of the fans, especially playing at home,

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Speaker 5: so for us to come out firing on all cylinders,

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Speaker 1: Pumpkins, candy, costumes, Halloween stuff. I'm Nigel Guy Ralford, the

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Speaker 1: gun guy in for a hammer real quick. I just

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Speaker 1: want to hammer is the one that sent this to me.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things is TV bloopers. TV anchor,

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Speaker 1: you know news news bloopers. Here's a news anchor that

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Speaker 1: can't stop laughing talking about sour Halloween suckers. Hmmm, that

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Speaker 1: sounds awful.

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Speaker 2: I do not I feel for the people's second that

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Speaker 2: all right, thanks Hanks.

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Speaker 6: If you like.

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Speaker 7: All right, if you'd like a holiday kiss, you might

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Speaker 7: want to.

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Speaker 4: Drug.

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Speaker 1: Story's a story. I'm sorry. I do not feel for

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Speaker 1: the people's suck in that. I do not feel for

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Speaker 1: for the people's suck in that. Oh the best? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Live TV is such a different animal. You've done it before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's happened to me before on this show. Yeah, either

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Speaker 1: are you somebody that turns his light on on Halloween?

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Speaker 1: Guy Relford, mister Zionsvill turns it off, turns it on?

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Speaker 2: Oh on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm all about trick or treaters.

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Speaker 1: I dress up, do you really? Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I dress up something big and scary and and and

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Speaker 3: I've been like a psycho demon biker before and I oh,

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Speaker 3: I put masks. In fact, I get dressed up and

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Speaker 3: go riding. Right if the weather allows, I go riding

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Speaker 3: around my Harley. I'll send you a picture. In fact,

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Speaker 3: seen the movie ghost Writer? I dress kind of s's

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Speaker 3: an awful movie. But I know, I know you, but

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Speaker 3: I mean I have like a skull mask and a

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Speaker 3: the you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Harley's into it.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I like to stare at these kids, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. I love Halloween. I gets a blasted. The fact

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Speaker 1: that it's on a Friday this year just is over

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Speaker 1: the top. It's like like the neighborhood. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, There are lots of lots of little kids

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I think my daughter is going

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Speaker 1: she get her She's the one that got her head

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Speaker 3: Carry her head around with her under, I think.

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Speaker 1: We've got to find a way to at least put

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Speaker 1: like a giant scar around her neck. Now, some adults

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Speaker 1: come on, and it's been replaced by something called trunk

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Speaker 2: So the other day I was asking my cousin.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, what are you going to be for Halloween?

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Speaker 7: And he said something like I'm gonna be a bat.

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Speaker 7: But anyways, I'm like, oh, that's cool. What are you

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Speaker 7: excited for trick or treating? He then kind of scoffs

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Speaker 7: at me. He's like, no one goes trick or treating anymore.

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Speaker 7: He's like, it's trunk or treat, not trick or treat.

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Speaker 7: I said, no, trick or treating, like you go to

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Speaker 7: people's houses. He's like, no, we do trunk or treat.

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Speaker 7: Apparently it's lane to trick or treat now, and it's

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Speaker 7: cool to trunk or treat when you just go to

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Speaker 7: And apparently if you like trick or treating, now you're lane, No, have.

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Speaker 1: You ever heard of that? You know what I've heard

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Speaker 1: of trunk or treat in the sense that like churches

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Speaker 1: up candy, which actually turned out to be pretty efficient.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's efficient. But the goal of Halloween is

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Speaker 3: not just to disperse candy efficiently to a bunch of kids.

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Speaker 3: It's also to meet your neighbors, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, and it's a socialization event. It's not just

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Speaker 3: a bunch of kids. That makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: I may have been over analyzing. It's just a tad there.

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Speaker 3: But I have a question for you. I saw a

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Speaker 3: the question was, we're fair new to the Caramel area

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Speaker 3: they give out full sized candy bars. And I did

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Speaker 3: not respond because I didn't want to be that old jerk,

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Speaker 3: well you trick or treat in your own damn neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you mean, what neighborhood do you

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Speaker 1: I'm in a rural country road or something. Well that idea,

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, okay, but I mean what do you do

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Speaker 1: Despite now a gated community. I thought, yeah, Jefferson Trees

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Speaker 1: give them candy. I'm not going to be scrooge about

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Speaker 3: I just kind of think, well, what's the reason why

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the last clip here, Alison, with all

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Speaker 1: the Halloween parties coming up, you certainly wouldn't want to

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Speaker 1: offend anybody. I know my daughter's costume might offend some

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Speaker 1: sure that doesn't happen. Uh, there is a there's a

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Speaker 1: new place in town you can go. Welcome to Woke

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Speaker 1: World Halloween Superstore. No, I thought this was a spirit Halloween. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we make it look that way. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I want to get a ghost costume that does disrespect

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Speaker 1: All right, never mind? What about a werewolf?

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Speaker 7: Kind of offensive to people with abnormal hair growth?

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Speaker 1: Evil clown?

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Speaker 7: I think of the people with mental issues a Mario

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Speaker 1: Forget it. I'll just wear a white T shirt. Maybe

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Speaker 1: just go with black. It incorporates all the colors. Oh brother, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Beautiful day yesterday it was you and your wife had

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Speaker 1: tickets to the Colts game. Yep, get downtown. Did you

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Speaker 1: have did you go to lunch? Did you get a

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, we had. Uh we went to Harry and Izzy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and staple for my wife and I when we

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Speaker 3: And I usually get the file At sliders, but I

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Speaker 3: Oh I know, but I've never had the burger that's

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Speaker 1: Is it like a smash burger kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a juicy burger and and it tastes like steak.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about that before.

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Speaker 1: So you go to the game. Yeah, A tremendous day

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Speaker 1: Just because I didn't know. It doesn't show up at

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Speaker 3: And so then after I talked to ZPD, and those

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Speaker 3: still not knowing that there had been a bomb threat

438
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Speaker 3: at your law office is at Carmel and ZPD just

439
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 3: checking on you. So then I went listened to the

440
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: message from the CPD officer was lieutenant from CPD, and

441
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 3: then listened to his message, and then called him and

442
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 3: he gave me some more detail and they and and

443
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Speaker 3: then I went out on social media and I saw

444
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Speaker 3: where it had been posted some of the people around

445
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Speaker 3: these scanner sites that you know, listened to the scanner. Yeah,

446
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 3: and Carmel. I mean they kept down the street, didn't they. Yeah,

447
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 3: they closed down a couple of blocks in every direction.

448
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Speaker 3: They had the fire department out there. They brought the

449
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Speaker 3: dog out and swept the building with a bomb sniffing dog.

450
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Speaker 3: I mean they were you know, as.

451
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Speaker 1: About what time was the bomb threat?

452
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Speaker 3: You know, the bomb threat was I apparently seven ish

453
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Speaker 3: and then you finally sent ZBD to my house. It

454
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Speaker 3: was about nine to fifteen when those guys pulled up.

455
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Speaker 3: And this is my second bomb threat. I had one

456
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, so you know, and listen, I

457
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 3: don't take this as any kind of real threat. I

458
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Speaker 3: think it's just some idiot with a phone. Really sure

459
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Speaker 3: why they're targeting my law office.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to this second one second one, yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: twenty one and uh, but do I think there's really

462
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Speaker 1: someone intent on, you know, planting a bomb or doing

463
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Speaker 1: anything else violent.

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Speaker 3: No, it's some coward with a phone. And so and

465
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Speaker 3: when the officers even said, well, you don't seem particularly concerned,

466
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Speaker 3: and I said, well no, I mean these are someone

467
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Speaker 3: trying to quote unquote terrorize you. You're only terrorized if

468
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Speaker 3: you choose to allow them to terrorize you. And I'm like, no,

469
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Speaker 3: to hell with these people. They're not doing anything. They're

470
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Speaker 3: just an idiot with a phone.

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Speaker 1: They called that, did they call the cops? Then?

472
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Speaker 7: One?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they could. So the whoever called in a

474
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Speaker 1: bomb threat called nine one one were they able to

475
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Speaker 1: trace it? Do they have any idea where it came from? Now?

476
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Speaker 3: They couldn't get anything from the phone call, and right

477
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Speaker 3: now don't they. Yeah, when the call from twenty twenty

478
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Speaker 3: one said Kansas call, that's just what I said. It

479
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Speaker 3: came from somewhere in Kansas.

480
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Speaker 1: I could be calling a calling from it anywhere in

481
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Speaker 1: the world with it.

482
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you get those, you get those spam

483
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Speaker 3: calls that are supposedly from science or car and obviously

484
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Speaker 3: from India or India exactly.

485
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Speaker 1: So who knows.

486
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's getting harder and harder for

487
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Speaker 3: law enforcement to tract phone calls. But they didn't have

488
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Speaker 3: any apparent leads. But yeah, it was all news to

489
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Speaker 3: me until I'm I'm getting ready to hunker down watch

490
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Speaker 3: some Sunday night football and next thing you know, zpd's

491
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Speaker 3: ringing my doorbell.

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Speaker 1: God bless the ZPD.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for thanks to all those and Carmel too.

494
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they all just did a great job.

495
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Speaker 1: But so, there's a there's a camera, is it? There's

496
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Speaker 1: some sort of Google Earth camera in the middle of

497
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Speaker 1: the intersection where your office is located at. And then

498
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Speaker 1: the theory the working theory for that first bomb threat

499
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Speaker 1: on your offices in twenty twenty one was that somebody

500
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Speaker 1: could access that camera and just call from anywhere in

501
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Speaker 1: the world. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. I think you nailed it, Nie,

503
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Speaker 3: what it is. It's if people can look it up.

504
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Speaker 3: It's earthcam dot com, earth cam, Yeah, it's his own.

505
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Speaker 3: It's not Yeah, it's not. It's not associated with Google,

506
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: I don't think. But it's earthcam dot com. You can

507
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Speaker 3: go there and just search for Karla, Indiana. And when

508
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: you do that, you bring up this camera and they

509
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: may have changed the angle of the camera, but it

510
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: used to be when you brought it up. My sign

511
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: that is mounted on the front of the building where

512
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Speaker 3: my office is there at one South Range line says

513
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Speaker 3: law Office of Guy Ralford, right in the foreground of

514
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Speaker 3: the camera when you bring it up at earthcam dot com.

515
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Speaker 3: And I really think it was somebody who knows it

516
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: could be in Russia, Zimbobwa or where it can or Lebanon. Yeah,

517
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: but I think I think they get it. They get

518
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Speaker 3: their jolly's out of phoning in something like this and

519
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: then watching the first responders show up and block off

520
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Speaker 3: the building and bring in the fire department and they

521
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: get they sit there and giggle like a bunch of

522
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Speaker 3: you know, teenage girls.

523
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Speaker 1: You're telling me the cops can't trace that call from

524
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Speaker 1: nine to one to one, or they hadn't at that point.

525
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Speaker 3: I've not heard them being able to successfully trace anything

526
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Speaker 3: from twenty twenty one, and I don't know that I

527
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Speaker 3: have much hope they're going to do it this time either.

528
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Speaker 3: And that's not an insult. No, no, no, the cops,

529
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Speaker 3: I understand. I just think it's where we are with

530
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Speaker 3: technology these days.

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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Guy Ralford. Here, it's Monday, gun Day.

532
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you about this interview that

533
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Speaker 1: I heard you conduct on Saturday during your show, The

534
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Speaker 1: Dumb Guy Show, which is on here Saturday's night. Is

535
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: it five to seven five or seven five to seven

536
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Speaker 1: right here in ninety three WIBC. Who before we play

537
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Speaker 1: this clip, who is Barry Todd and why were you

538
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Speaker 1: talking to him? Yeah?

539
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Speaker 3: Barry Todd is a guy about my age. Long military career,

540
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: retired after twenty one years as an army ranger, then

541
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: built a very successful financial advisory firm and registered to

542
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Speaker 3: do business all over the country, opened multiple offices all

543
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Speaker 3: over the country. Then one night was out with his

544
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Speaker 3: wife just for a fun evening, having some cocktails, singing karaoke.

545
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Speaker 3: Some drunk, belligerent, big, huge guy starts making advances on

546
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Speaker 3: on Barry's wife and at one point Barry leave just

547
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Speaker 3: go out to his car, actually to get some Copenhagen.

548
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Speaker 3: He's trying to come back in the bar to rejoin

549
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Speaker 3: his wife and this big drunk guy won't let him

550
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Speaker 3: in the bar, and and he's like, what are you doing.

551
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: I'm going back to c wife, I think. He goes, no,

552
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: she's mine. Man, using some more color colorful language, is

553
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: an Arizona man, Yuma, Arizona. And they get into a scuffle,

554
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Speaker 3: and Barry had a gun, and they get into it

555
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Speaker 3: with this big guy who physically attacks him, broke his arm.

556
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Speaker 3: By the way, broke Barry Todd's arm. He fights back

557
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Speaker 3: with it, eventually has his gun, gun goes off. The

558
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: other guy goes to the hospital. He survives. But it's

559
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Speaker 3: a clear case of self defense, you would think, after

560
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Speaker 3: Barry's attacking this in a drunk a hole. Yes, totally completely, but.

561
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Speaker 1: Not not that that's an excuse to use a firearm.

562
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Speaker 3: But the whole thing's on video, which clearly substantiates self defense. Nonetheless,

563
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Speaker 3: Barry Todd is prosecuted. He's prosecuted for attempted murder and

564
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: two counts of aggravated battery. He goes through several years,

565
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Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal expense

566
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Speaker 3: and expert witness expense and an investigator expense, and eventually

567
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 3: gets this thing dismissed. But he wrote a book and

568
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: it's called standrew Ground, One Man's Self Defense Nightmare, and

569
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: he talks about how even when you're right, because of

570
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: an aggressive prosecutor who clearly was ignoring the law of

571
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Speaker 3: self defense in Arizona, they can absolutely destroy your life

572
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Speaker 3: even when you're innocent. And it's such a powerful message

573
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Speaker 3: and an important one, and it's very consistent with what

574
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Speaker 3: I teach in my classes all the time and have

575
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Speaker 3: for thirty years, of how you don't want to get

576
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Speaker 3: caught up in one of these if you can avoid it,

577
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 3: because the system can just eat you up where they

578
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: accuse you of crimes that you really didn't come.

579
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Speaker 1: My blood was boiling listening to it. It really pisss

580
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Speaker 1: you off. Whoever this prosecutor was, I'm sure has the

581
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: same agenda as of Ryan Meters type a prosecutor in

582
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Speaker 1: terms of guns and how.

583
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Speaker 2: In the world.

584
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Speaker 1: What I wanted to know, what I wanted to call

585
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Speaker 1: in and ask is like, you have the video, what

586
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: more do you need to know?

587
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: Well, get this they submitted. The prosecutor submits it to

588
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: a grand jury, and their job is to decide whether

589
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: there's probable cause to prosecute him for a crime. Right,

590
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: he submits it to a grand jury, argues about how

591
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: he committed the crimes of attempted murder an aggravated battery.

592
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: Never shows the grand jury the video of the actual

593
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: incident itself doesn't show him the video, and the jury

594
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: finds probable cause, having just heard one side of the

595
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: story and not having even seen the video of the event,

596
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: much less the video from inside the bar that shows

597
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: this guy being aggressive and basically following Barry around the

598
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: bar and bothering his wife and just instigating things from

599
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: the get go doesn't show the grand jury any of this.

600
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: The grand jury, not having seen all the relevant evidence,

601
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 3: finds probable cause. And now he's in the system.

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00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: Man.

603
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: Now he's paying lawyers, paying investigators, paying expert witnesses and

604
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 3: costing an unbelievable amount of money.

605
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Speaker 1: Is that what this clip is talking about some of

606
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: the costs, some of the costs, but also some of

607
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: the lessons he learned.

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Speaker 6: The amount of dollars that we spent on this is astronomical.

609
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 6: And the lessons I learned. Number One, know the laws

610
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 6: in the state where you're carrying. And my wife and

611
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 6: I were licensed in about forty one states. And as

612
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 6: soon as you cross there, get an app on your phone,

613
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: so you know it. Number two, carry the insurance, carry

614
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 6: good self defense insurance. Number three, don't talk to the police.

615
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 6: Don't give it to them. I don't think it really

616
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 6: hurt me. But then again, just follow what the lawyers

617
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: tell you. You don't say nothing without your lawyer there. And

618
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 6: then number four, and this is the most important. Remember

619
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Speaker 6: the attorneys, the private eyes, the expert witnesses. They work

620
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 6: for you, all right, you're the one and write in

621
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 6: the check no matter they're going to give you their

622
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 6: opinion that you do not always have to take it.

623
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 6: And you have to check their work and hold them accountable.

624
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 6: And if they have a problem with that, then you

625
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 6: probably need to fire them in the first place.

626
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Where could go. Where could people? First of all, listen

627
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: to this interview. And he wrote a book, right, He wrote.

628
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: A bo called Standard Ground One Man's Self Defense Nightmare.

629
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: But you got to go back and listen to this

630
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: interview you did with this guy. It's a good interview.

631
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: It's posted on my page on WIBC. You go to WBC,

632
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: go to shows. Then the Gun Guy.

633
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: It'll be that.

634
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: We actually broke out his interview as a separate podcast.

635
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: You don't have to listen to the whole show if

636
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: you don't want to, or the whole show's there if

637
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: you want to listen to that too, But the Barry

638
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: Todd interview we broke out separately. And then also you

639
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: can go if you're interested in buying his book. I

640
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: have no financial interest in this other than I read

641
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: the book and it's fascinating as somebody who carries a

642
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: gun every day. Is a must read, and it's called

643
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Standardground Book dot com. You can go there or it's

644
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: on Amazon.

645
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Speaker 1: Hammer and night Tel you believe it.

646
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: The characters are WEIRDO.

647
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Mine him is Nigel, Jason Hammer is out, The Gun

648
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: Guy Guy, Ralford is in. Well he did it. Governor

649
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: Brown calling a special session, I believe at the beginning

650
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Speaker 1: of November, November three for redistricting on the hotline right

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: now to discuss his passion for this topic. So passionate

652
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: he didn't even show up to work today, but he's

653
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Speaker 1: still calling in Rob Kendall from The Kendall and Casey Show. Rob,

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Speaker 1: I've heard arguments for redistricting. I've heard your passionate arguments

655
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Speaker 1: against redistricting. Can we just start like a quick reset

656
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Speaker 1: of what that even means and what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, my passion against this is the

658
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Republicans lie and fail all the time, and if you

659
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: give them these new maps without them having to earn

660
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: a lots, they will just keep governing poorly. It's just

661
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: like your kid, right if your kid misbehaves, you have

662
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: to discipline them. If you just keep giving them stuff,

663
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: they're going to keep misbehaving. And what the Republicans are

664
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: saying is, look, we can't win the first congressional district

665
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: fairly because we govern so poorly both at a state

666
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: and federal level that people don't believe in us and

667
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: don't want to vote for us and put us in

668
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: power or keep us in power, or give us this seat.

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Speaker 2: So what we'll do is we'll just alter the map

670
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: so we get it anyway. What incentive do the Republicans

671
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: have to follow through and keep their promises to people

672
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: if they can just change the rules of the game

673
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: in the middle of the process.

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Speaker 1: What about the argument? And here is what I keep hearing,

675
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: fighting fire with fire, fight back the Democrats do the

676
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: same thing. We need to get down in the dirt here.

677
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: What about that argument?

678
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Speaker 2: So my question would be fight back against what? Because

679
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: we keep hearing Braun and Micah and these people in

680
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Speaker 2: the general simple talking about Massachusetts. Massachusets Jesus, I'm yet

681
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: to see a single person who can draw me a

682
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote fair map that shows these Republican seats in Massachusetts.

683
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: The best you can do. I have a friend who's

684
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: very good at this and believes the Indiana maps are

685
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: fair seventy two and he's a pretty former newspaper writer

686
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: up in northern Indiana. He tried to do this and

687
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: the best he could create was want one swing district

688
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: like the best he could do in the under the

689
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Speaker 2: best of circumstances. See these people flap their guns about unfairness,

690
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: and for that I saw people put it well. In

691
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: the northeastern part of the country, Vermont has one representative.

692
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Speaker 2: Are you saying that person should be a Republican. Rhode

693
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: Island has two. Are you saying, based on the makeup

694
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Speaker 2: of their state, that those people should one of those

695
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: people should be Republican. The argument is ridiculous. All of

696
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: these states Jerry manner. Indiana is already Jerry mannered. Our

697
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: state is sixty forty based on the presidential election Republican.

698
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: Seventy eight percent of our seats in Congress are Republican.

699
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: We've already tilted the map in favor of all this

700
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: whining about Andre Carson, Oh Mary and Teddy Day County, Nigel.

701
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: They just rig the map. They just they just moved.

702
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: The map in favor of more of Carson.

703
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Speaker 2: So that they could save Sparks a couple of years ago.

704
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Speaker 2: It's utterly ridiculous that they keep whining about this when

705
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Speaker 2: they're the ones who did it.

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Speaker 1: Here's my question for you, what's wrong with getting two

707
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Speaker 1: more one or two more Republican seats? I mean, you've

708
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Speaker 1: kind of laid out the argument. I understand that, but

709
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, when all of a sudden done two more

710
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Speaker 1: Republican seats could be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's admit what we're doing then, Like, whoever

712
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: is the presidential election that gets all the seats? I mean,

713
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: that's basically what we're doing in this country. And my

714
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: question to people would be, what does giving you two

715
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: more Jefferson Shreeves get you?

716
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Speaker 1: Like?

717
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: How is your life gonna get any better? Because you

718
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: know it's going to be that Jennifer Ruth Green woman.

719
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: The reports are out that she's pondering running like they're not.

720
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Speaker 2: You're gonna Thomas Massy's in there. And so my question

721
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: is what did the Republicans do this year? They wasted

722
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: all this time in this big bullcrap bill. It added

723
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: trillions more to the debt, is legalized vote buying, the

724
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: crony capitalism, rewarding the donors and lobbyists. Everything's still getting

725
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: more expensive. What does this exercise produce here where we're

726
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: giving away all of our integrity so we can have

727
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: two more squish Republicans who screw us some more? Like

728
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 2: is that really worth all this flight?

729
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: What do you We're speaking with Rob Kendall from the

730
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: Kendall and Casey Show kind enough to call us on

731
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: his day off because he's very passionate about this this topic.

732
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: Governor Brawn calling a special session for redistricting. We'd redrawing

733
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: the maps, maybe getting one or two more Republican seats.

734
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Speaker 1: What okay, let's talk about the top of the food

735
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Speaker 1: chain here in the state legislature. What do you call him?

736
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Speaker 1: Rod and Todd?

737
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Speaker 2: Is that or the boy the Flanders Boys planners who

738
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: for those who don't know, Nigel ned Flanders is the

739
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: neighbor on the Simpsons and his boys are named Rod

740
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: and Todd. So Todd Houston spear of the house, Rod

741
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: and Bray pro tim of the we call them the

742
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: Flanders voye.

743
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Speaker 1: Do they want any part of this at all? No?

744
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: And I think this is what's going to be fascinating

745
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: because you have seen the legislature post Holcombe try to

746
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: re establish dominance over the governor. We saw the same

747
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: thing when Pence came in after Daniels. Now that was

748
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: David Long and Brian Bosma. And I think, look, I

749
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: think they'll ultimately get it done because I just don't.

750
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Speaker 2: It would be so embarrassing at this point if it failed.

751
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: But it's really going to be up to Rod Bray

752
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: to decide what sort of dominance he wants to assert.

753
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: Because Houston, this is essentially alluded to. They have the

754
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: votes in the House. But look right now, they're at twelve.

755
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: The mouth that I did is twelve. They got to

756
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: get to twenty five so that bronze erind boy Micah

757
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: can bend the knee and cast the vote as the

758
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: tie breaking vote. So they got to get to twenty five,

759
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: and so you're basically thirteen short. And we'll see what

760
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: sort of dominance Bray wants to exert over over his caucus.

761
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Speaker 2: I mean, it would not surprise me if he didn't

762
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: let it go forward, but I ultimately think it will.

763
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Speaker 1: And you think this will ultimately pass, and you think

764
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: the lines will get where youdrawn, Well, I.

765
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: Think the pressure for insanity is too great and they're

766
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: totally afraid of Trump.

767
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: And look, well yeah, that's that's that was my next question.

768
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Speaker 1: You can't have mentioned any word dominance because it goes

769
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: above you know, Rod and Todd. It goes to jd

770
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: Vance paying two visits to Indiana and this the state House.

771
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: It goes to Indiana Republicans going to the White House.

772
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: This I'm interested to know what the tipping point was

773
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: for this decision to call a special session.

774
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: Well, they're petrified of Trump, and Trump clearly threatened them.

775
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: I mean, this is pathetic. At this point, they were

776
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: clearly threatened with lack of funding for something. I mean

777
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: that kept being Ron sitting. He's like, well, we don't

778
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: want to get on the wrong side of the Trump administer.

779
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: You're like, who cares? Now, this is what should This

780
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: is what should enrage everyone. Is the signature issue in

781
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: the state for the past year and a half, really

782
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: two years, has been property taxes. Yes, and they screwed everyone.

783
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: These people who are so gun ho screwed everyone on

784
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: property taxes. And then when Braun got asked up, hey,

785
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: why should veto this and call special session and fight

786
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: for us, he goes, eh, now, no point, there's no point.

787
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: There's no point. He's calling the special session without the votes.

788
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Now they may ultimately get the votes, but he's calling

789
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: this special session without the votes. So they won't lift

790
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: a finger to help you. They won't lift a finger

791
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: to fight for you and ensure you can afford to

792
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: stay in your home. But when it comes to being

793
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: subservient to Donald Trump, which they all admit, this is

794
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: a holy political act. They will go to the ends

795
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: of the earth to do that, and that should tell

796
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: everybody what they actually think about you. These people don't

797
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: give a damn about you.

798
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Speaker 1: I will say on a larger scale here, You've always

799
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: been one to say that Indiana needs a more robust

800
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Democrat party only if to hold the Republicans that are

801
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: in power in check and make sure the Republicans are

802
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: working in uh the citizens' best interests instead of their own.

803
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's maybe the one thing that comes out

804
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: of this is and look, I've seen from a lot

805
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: of people, and it's anecdotal evidence, who see what's going on.

806
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: The one good thing that may come out of this

807
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: is it may piss enough people off that the big

808
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: Enchilada next year is getting rid of Diego Morales and

809
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: Bobi is sort of the customer's last stand for the

810
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: Democrats if they can't win with that guy and all

811
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: the money he's going to bring. And as bad as

812
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: candidate as Diego is. So the one good thing that

813
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: may come out of this is that they may motivate

814
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: enough people to say we're done here, like it is

815
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: just so egregious Nigel that there's all these issues facing

816
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: our day. People are getting screwed gas taxes, property tax,

817
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: utility builds. I mean, bad governments could collective the IDC,

818
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: property taxes. Yeah, I mean like all of these things,

819
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: and they're doing anything to help with that. And Andrew

820
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: Ireland was on with the with the with Jim and

821
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: Casey this morning. Yeah, and she asked him about, like,

822
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: well you go to bring anything up? Probably not. And

823
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: it's like, so even the people that are supposed to

824
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: be a great liberty people, they're not going to do

825
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: anything in this special session. It's always party, it's always them.

826
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: It's always the benefit of them, it's never the benefit

827
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: of you. And it amazes me that after getting screwed

828
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: so many times by the state Party and these people

829
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: in Washington, that there's still people who are super excited

830
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: about this exercise.

831
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Speaker 1: That's Rob Kendall from The Kendel and Casey Show his

832
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: take on the announcement earlier this morning from Governor Brown

833
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: calling a special session going to redraw the district lines

834
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: redistricting here at least they're going to vote on it.

835
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Speaker 1: Mean call a special session. Hey man, I know it's

836
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: your day off. I know you're doing some important stuff

837
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: right now. So thank you so much for taking the

838
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: time out and giving us your perspective.

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks much.

840
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Speaker 1: Ever, Nigel presents, it depends.

841
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Speaker 11: Upon what the meaning of the word is.

842
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: Is this anything?

843
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

844
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Speaker 1: Due by Indiana Unclaimed, presented by the Attorney General's Office,

845
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: reuniting Hoosiers with over one million dollars in unclaimed property

846
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: every single week, fast, easy and free to search at

847
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: Indiana Unclaimed dout Gove. I believe Guy Rulford, who was

848
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: filling in for Hammer, has been the recipient of a

849
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: couple of thousand dollars from Indiana. I'm a huge fan man.

850
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Speaker 3: In fact, I texted the Attorney General and said I

851
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: sent him a picture of my check. A couple of

852
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: old bank accounts have been sitting around since I was

853
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: a teenager or younger, and it was like, yeah, it

854
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: was over twenty five hundred bucks I got from Indiana Unclaimed.

855
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Speaker 1: Big deal. So Hammer usually asked me, you know, I'm

856
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: going to switch around and ask you is this anything?

857
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: You bet? That's all right? You've bet we're gonna switch

858
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: it out. Today we have some fun. Two police dispatchers

859
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire injured as they attempted to stop a

860
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: man wearing only a speedo and a hat who was

861
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Speaker 1: trying to get into the dispatcher's building. Here is Hillsboro

862
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Hillsborow County Sheriff. His name's Brian Newcombe. Talking about the attack.

863
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 12: One of our dispatchers was coming in for work and

864
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 12: was accosted by mister Nickerson, which he was trying to

865
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Speaker 12: get inside the building. Typically, they're here rendering assistance over

866
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 12: the phone and over the radio for people that are

867
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 12: calling nine one one or have an emergency that they

868
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 12: need assistance for, and they found themselves needed assistance here.

869
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, who do you call? Then you're the dispatcher. Who

870
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: in the world do you call? Is this anything? Basically

871
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: naked guy in his speedo trying to break into the

872
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: dispatcher's building, dummy.

873
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's definitely something you know, I was teaching.

874
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: I was teaching one of myself defense classes. One time.

875
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: I had a guy say in open class. He goes,

876
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: he goes, you have somebody bricks in my house. First

877
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: thing I'm gonna do is take all my clothes off,

878
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: because nobody wants to fight a naked guy.

879
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing with any one of these stories

880
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: that we do elude new dude in the news or

881
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: even a guy wearing a speedo trying to break in

882
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: to a nine one one dispatcher. There's always drugs involved.

883
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why? What is it with drugs, hard

884
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: drugs and nudity that it in hand You.

885
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: Really wasted and the first thing you will do is

886
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: take your clothes off. You know, it could be because

887
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: the way so many people look naked, that's the only

888
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: way they can really bear to be to be naked

889
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: is once they get really messed up on whatever it

890
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: is they're taking.

891
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: There's a legendary viral video out there on YouTube. They

892
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: call him the Naked Ninja. I think happened downtown Indianapolis

893
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: several years ago where the guy was completely naked. I

894
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: want to say it was on Washington and Meridian, maybe

895
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: somewhere es centrally located downtown and the impd had this.

896
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: He was so left up on drugs. And this guy's

897
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: gotten in touch with me before and he's he's cleaned

898
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: up his act. He got arrested, he's fine. I don't

899
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: It's been years since I've heard from him. But he

900
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: got in touch, wanted to get interviewed and we kind

901
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: of passed on it. But there were several reasons for that.

902
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: But he he fought off. I don't know, five IMPD

903
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: officers naked, got tasers everything, naked, ninja. I mean, I mean, wow,

904
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't get this guy. Now eventually down

905
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: the road they got this guy. But I don't know

906
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: what it is about drugs and getting nude that correlate,

907
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: but especially when you're all messed up on meth or

908
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: whatever he was taken. Those tasers don't work, man, Yeah work.

909
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: Well, I've seen him fail and I've seen many many

910
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: videos of them failing.

911
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Why did they fail? Like just because the drugs are

912
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: in the system and it's your adrenaline flowing, and I

913
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: think that's it.

914
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: Although you know, neurologically, the way a taser' is supposed

915
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: to work, it's just supposed to freeze up you're holding

916
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: neural system.

917
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: Have you ever been tasted?

918
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I didn't voluntarily. I had two people holding

919
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: me and got tased and.

920
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Not a pleasant experience.

921
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: Oh no, your whole body just locks up and you

922
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: just get you just face plant. Man, You've got no

923
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: ability to you know, That's why they have somebody old

924
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: on you when you do it, and no it's not

925
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: a pleasant experience. But yeah, I know I've seen them fail.

926
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: I think, I think more often than just drugs or whatnot,

927
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: it's where actually is the opposite of where naked people

928
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: are able to resist it because you know, the darts

929
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: that come out of a taser maybe not don't adequately

930
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: penetrate clothing. I've seen that happen because you know, they

931
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: got to make contact with his skin for the actually work.

932
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: But why they wouldn't work on a naked guy because

933
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: of drugs?

934
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

935
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: There's got to be somebody out there more sophisticated than

936
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: me and law enforcement who can answer that.

937
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: We'll stay in the realm of law enforcement here for

938
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: is this anything. There's a place where cops want you

939
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: to get hammered and drunk in front of them. Listen

940
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: to this. This is what they call a wet lab.

941
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: Do they get a bunch of volunteers to come in

942
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: and drink, Terry, I need to go have a double thing, so.

943
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 13: They get a double drink until they have the right

944
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 13: VACU level according to the breathalyser YEA.

945
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I will see if any of the people who were

946
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: drinking can pass the sobriety test.

947
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 13: The guy who had the most to drink had fourteen

948
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 13: drinks over about two and a half hours. Yeah, he

949
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 13: didn't pass the test.

950
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: Neither did anybody else.

951
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 13: The cadet said that they would have arrested every single

952
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 13: person who was in that room drinking if they were

953
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 13: stopped on the side of the road.

954
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 3: Don't drink and drive.

955
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: That's the important message the cops can tell. So it

956
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: sounds like, is this anything, guy, It sounds like some

957
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: sort of police training exercise where they have a controlled

958
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: environment where they will solicit volunteers to come in and

959
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: get drunk.

960
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I've seen this. In fact, there are several

961
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: videos out there, and it's really meant as an educational

962
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: exercise in the sense that a lot of people believe

963
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: they can have what six, eight, ten beers or however

964
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: many shots or whatever it is, whatever it is, that

965
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: they're drink of preference and still be able to drive

966
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 3: just fine and pass sobriety tests and whatnot. All of people, well,

967
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: I hold my liquor, and I think this is a

968
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: way of educating people to say, you know what, one

969
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: you're going to pass, you're going to fail. It passed

970
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: the sobriety test and failed to pass a breathalyser much

971
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: earlier and with much fewer cocktails than what you thought.

972
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: So I think it's a valuable exercise for people to

973
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: really learn a valuable lesson.

974
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: It's the Hammer Nigel Show. You're listening to the Hammer

975
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: and Nigel Show. Yeah, Nigel, Hammer's out. The gun guy,

976
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: Guy Rufford, licensed firearms instructor to a attorney filling in.

977
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 1: And whenever he fills in, we like to do ask

978
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: the gun guy where you call in and have any

979
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: type of questions relating to law enforcement, guns, Second Amendment

980
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: and I'll let you take it. Guy. You got the

981
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: phone bank, you got the names right there in front

982
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: of you, two three nine nine three ninety three.

983
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: If you'd like to call in, absolutely, we still do

984
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: have a phone line or two open so people can call.

985
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: Let's go over to the phone lines and Jim Jim,

986
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: thanks for calling Hammer.

987
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: Nigel which got.

988
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for taking my call gun guy. I appreciate that.

989
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 8: I'm going to question about Second Amendment carry.

990
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: I'd like to know if there's any reciprocity between states

991
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 2: with a second amendment carry.

992
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know a lot of people call that

993
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: constitutional carry gym or permitless carry, and it's not so

994
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: much reciprocity so much as a lot of a lot

995
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: of different states. In fact, we're up to thirty states

996
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: I believe we're right at thirty that have passed constitutional carry.

997
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: Each of them that have passed it allowed this is

998
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: permanitless cary, meaning you can carry a handgun without a license.

999
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: Just so everybody's clear on what we're talking about. And

1000
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: those thirty states that have passed it now all recognize

1001
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: it for non residents, so that I would say that

1002
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: meets the definition of what you're talking about, which is

1003
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: reciprocity meaning non red like if if they've passed constitutional

1004
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: carry in North Dakota, by the way, was the exception

1005
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: to this. They made it for North Dakota residents only,

1006
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: and then here is summer or two ago, they changed

1007
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: that and made it open to everyone, including non residents. So,

1008
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: for instance, Kentucky has constitutional carry and they have that

1009
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: applicable to non residents. So as an Indiana resident, I

1010
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: can travel to Kentucky and I can carry my handgun

1011
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: under their constitutional carry law. In addition, they recognize the

1012
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: Indiana license to carry, and since I have one of those,

1013
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: I really essentially have a Belton suspenders. As far as

1014
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: being protected by carrying in Kentucky. That's just one example,

1015
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: but we're up to thirty states now that have passed

1016
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: constitutional carry. It's incredible, It is pretty cool. Go back

1017
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: to the phone lines and Tim has called Tim Welcome

1018
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: to Hammer.

1019
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 4: Nigel, Hey guy, kind of a two part question.

1020
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 8: Sure, So a couple of years ago, my stepfather died

1021
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 8: and my mother gave me one of his old handguns.

1022
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: Have to be registered or am I legally allowed to

1023
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: carry it?

1024
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1025
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: Well tell you what, Tim, We don't have gun registration

1026
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: in Indiana, and there's no registration requirement the federal law,

1027
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: except when you're talking about things regulated by the National

1028
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 3: Firearms Act, which is like machine guns and suppressors, short

1029
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: brailed rifles, et cetera. So if it's just a typical handgun,

1030
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: there is no registration. You couldn't register it if you

1031
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: wanted to. Some police departments locally, if you go in

1032
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: and say I want to register my gun, quote unquote,

1033
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: they'll you know, take the information, serial number, make a

1034
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: model and whatnot and keep it on a list, but

1035
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 3: there's no statewide registration. So the answer to your question

1036
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: is no, there's there's nothing you need to do. And

1037
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: our carry law, both constitutional carry and our license to

1038
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: carry in Indiana both mean you can carry any gun

1039
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: you lawfully possess, and you you know, you receive that

1040
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, as the heir of your father's estate, you

1041
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: can legally possess it, you can carry it. There's nothing

1042
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: to she needed to do. But you said you had

1043
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: a two part question.

1044
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: I think yeah, So with like the same gun, would

1045
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: I be able to trade.

1046
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: It in at a gun shop as well? With sure,

1047
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: with no issue. Absolutely.

1048
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: In fact, you know, in terms of the difference between

1049
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: just like selling the gun, selling it to somebody you

1050
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: know or an acquaintance whatnot, I always prefer rather to

1051
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: trade them in now. The downside is you don't get

1052
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: as much value for them. It's just like trading a

1053
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: car in. You're going to get wholesale value versus retail,

1054
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: so you're not going to get the same amount of money.

1055
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: But it's very safe in terms of knowing that your

1056
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: gun now is going to a retailer, and that retailer

1057
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: before it sells that gun to anyone is going to

1058
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: have to put that person through a complete background check,

1059
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: which you don't have to do as a private individual.

1060
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: So no, you can absolutely trade it in. I've done

1061
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: that a number of times, and again you're giving up

1062
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: some value, no question, but it's a good way of

1063
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: knowing that your gun's not going to end up in

1064
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: the hands of someone who you wouldn't want to have

1065
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: your gun. Let's go to the phone lines again and

1066
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: we got Bob or Rob Bob.

1067
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Bob is called Bob. Welcome to him.

1068
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: Remark Bob, Hey, nice to me, and you are talking

1069
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: to you.

1070
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I have a couple of questions about transferring some

1071
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 9: of my handguns and rifles and shotguns to family members

1072
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 9: because I'm getting kind of long in the tooth and

1073
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 9: some health issues, and I wanted to know. I had

1074
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 9: three handguns and two shotguns and one twenty two rifle

1075
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 9: and one shotgun that I bought when I was like

1076
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 9: eighteen from a friend and it's never been registered as

1077
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 9: far as I know. I was wondering if all I

1078
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 9: would actually transfer them or some to my family members.

1079
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know the same deal, right, guy.

1080
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: You just give them to them, You just give them

1081
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: to But there's an important question though, Bob, are they

1082
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: in state?

1083
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: Are they here in Indiana?

1084
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1085
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 9: Three out of the six hour one is in Illinois.

1086
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 9: Buy's planning on moving to Indiana.

1087
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1088
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: There are restrictions on transferring a gun to someone across

1089
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 3: state lines. There are some exceptions to that which are

1090
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: kind of cumbersome and complex, But I would as far

1091
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: as if they're in Indiana and they're not residents of

1092
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: a different state, you could, as Nigel said, you can

1093
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: just give them to them, transfer them, say here you go,

1094
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: here's the gun, and you're good to go. No, no else,

1095
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: nothing else necessary. Now what I've always done whenever I've

1096
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: transferred a gun, if it's not to a gun shop

1097
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 3: like I was talking about just now with another caller,

1098
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: if I'm transferring gun to a private individual, which I've

1099
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: only done a handful of times, if that, I'll always

1100
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: document that in the sense of I want to bill

1101
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: a sale that has their name, my name, and the

1102
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: serial number and whatnot all on it, the date, and

1103
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I don't try my family member. I've not

1104
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: sold a gun or transferred to gun to a family member,

1105
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: but whoever it is, I personally want some documentation that

1106
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: as of this date, I am no longer the legal

1107
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 3: owner of that gun. I've transferred that gun. And thats

1108
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: not to say I just trust any of your family members.

1109
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: Is just to say that if that gun shows up

1110
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: in a crime scene or whatnot, or someone knocks on

1111
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: your door, wanted to know when you got rid of

1112
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: that gun, You've got a piece of paper signed by

1113
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: them that says, hey, on this date, I transferred this gun,

1114
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 3: and everybody acknowledges that. Let's go back to the phone

1115
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: lines and let's take a break.

1116
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: Now, take one more Okay, keep calling two, three, nine, nine,

1117
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: nine and three ask the gun guy. We'll take one

1118
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: more call and then we'll take a break and we'll

1119
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: come back with another segment. That sounds great. Let's go

1120
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: to Dave. Dave, Welcome to Hammer and Nigel.

1121
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 8: Hey guy, it's a great show so far.

1122
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: Brother.

1123
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 8: I think your first caller, Jim stole my thunder. I

1124
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 8: was going to ask about is that Utah gun permit?

1125
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 8: I think worth like is legal in thirty two states,

1126
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 8: but it's worth it. But apparently if you go to

1127
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 8: thirty right now, why buy it? But anyway, I got

1128
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 8: to follow up on this your two A Project. Are

1129
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 8: you glad to talk about this on the show?

1130
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: Sure you bet?

1131
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, The Two Day Project two A Project is a

1132
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 3: gun rights organization that I founded in twenty twenty. It's

1133
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 3: based right here in Indiana. If you ask the legislators,

1134
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: the legislators who was right out front getting constitutional carry

1135
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: passed in twenty twenty two, they'll tell you the two

1136
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: A Project was. And so, yeah, we're a gun rights organization.

1137
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 3: We'd love to have folks as a member and you

1138
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: can join at the Two Way Project dot com.

1139
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: All right, he thanks the gun guy guy Ralphord filling

1140
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: in for a Hammer. Let's continue the Ask the Gun

1141
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: Guys segment. Do you bet?

1142
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 3: Let's go right back to the phone lines, and Bill

1143
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 3: has called Bill. Welcome to Hammer, Nigel.

1144
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 10: Hey, thanks guys, great great show today, guys, thanks making

1145
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 10: my call. Thanks a mach I'm I'm embarrassed to say, guy,

1146
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 10: I don't know the answer to this. The revolvers that

1147
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 10: I own, it's just like any other revolver. Pull the trigger,

1148
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 10: gun goes bang. It doesn't matter if it's single or

1149
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 10: double action. My question is I have a friend who

1150
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 10: bought his daughter a revolver. I don't know the manufacturer.

1151
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 10: I've never heard of them, which doesn't really mean anything.

1152
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 10: But my question to you is this, he's telling me

1153
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 10: there's a safety mechanism on the revolver.

1154
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of this. This is

1155
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 2: new to me.

1156
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 10: My question to you is, can he legally, without having

1157
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 10: to play the tax stamp game or classify the pistol

1158
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 10: now as an AOW, can he go to a gunsmith

1159
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 10: and have that safety mechanism removed legally so she can

1160
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 10: operate the gun.

1161
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: Without having to screw with that.

1162
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: Sure?

1163
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's just a legal modification of the gun. You're

1164
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: not turning into a machine gun. You're not turning it

1165
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: into a short brailed rifle, short brailed shotgun. Right and

1166
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: and no AOW doesn't specifically does not apply to handguns.

1167
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 13: So no.

1168
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: They question here though, why would you want to remove

1169
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: a safety mechanism from a gun?

1170
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: So he's explaining it to me.

1171
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 10: Sorry, guys, see, he's explaining to me. She doesn't she

1172
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 10: He took her to the local gun range, had her try.

1173
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 2: A whole bunch of pistols.

1174
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 10: She's a you know, she's not comfortable with a racket

1175
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 10: at Nigel with what chambering a semi auto pistol. So

1176
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 10: he thought, well, well, you know, revolver is the way

1177
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 10: to go, because he just pull the trigger.

1178
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: Gun goes bang.

1179
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 10: So he got her this manufacturer of a certain brand

1180
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 10: which I've never heard of. It's not a Ruger, it's

1181
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 10: not it's nothing I'm familiar with. And she struggles with

1182
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 10: it when he has taken her back to the range. Apparently, Nigel,

1183
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 10: there's the way you have to hold this gun to

1184
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 10: squeeze the trigger. And he doesn't feel comfortable her being

1185
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 10: able to defend herself. God forbid if she needed to.

1186
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the short answer, nudge to your question is

1187
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: that before you can use the gun to defend yourself,

1188
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: you have to remember to disengage the safety. And there

1189
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: there are and this happens in every course I've ever

1190
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 3: seen or taught where somebody's using a revolver or well,

1191
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: let me back up, or somebody's using a gun with

1192
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: a safety. You know, there's usually semi automatic because it's rare.

1193
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 3: The revolver has a safety on it. But when somebody

1194
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 3: has a safety on their gun, especially under time pressure,

1195
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: you've got a target Russian at chair, you've got to

1196
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: draw and fire within a certain amount of time, or

1197
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: you're in competition to draw and fire faster than somebody else.

1198
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: Somebody always forgets to flick the safety and you're sitting

1199
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: there pulling the trigger. Nothing's happening, you know, and theoretically,

1200
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: in the real world, the bad guy's killing you at

1201
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: this time. So like a lot of police carry glocks,

1202
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: right or a lot of cops before, the problems with them,

1203
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: like SIGs like SIG three to twenty. There's no safety

1204
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: on those guns because there's no external safety, which means

1205
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: you have to flick a lever before the gun will operate.

1206
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: And that's because cops don't want to have to remember

1207
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: to disengage the safety before they pull the trigger and

1208
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: it goes boom.

1209
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Sixty seconds left. Sorry, that was my fault. I was

1210
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of curious about that though.

1211
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: No, it's an interesting question. I'm glad we had time

1212
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: for it.

1213
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Colton.

1214
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: You're on the clock, brother, you got a quick question,

1215
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: I'll get you answer.

1216
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, quick questions for you guy. Could you just quickly

1217
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: explain some of the pros and cons to going through

1218
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: registering and that's dr for purchase and going through the

1219
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 4: ar pistol route.

1220
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1221
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, to have a pistol, you

1222
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: have to have a brace on it. And listen, I'm

1223
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: just not a fan of braces. Braces, they're not real stocks.

1224
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: They typically aren't adjustable, they don't function as stocks. I'd

1225
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: rather have a real stock on my damn gun. That's

1226
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: why I'm going to SBR my guns, that is making

1227
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: a short barreled rifle. And the big plus starting January

1228
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: first is now the stamp to get your registration on

1229
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: an SBR is free as of January one. That was

1230
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: a provision in Trump's great, big, Beautiful bill. So I

1231
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: don't own an AR pistol because I don't like braces.

1232
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: I like real stocks. And that's exactly the answer to

1233
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: your question from my perspective.

1234
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: Brother Hammer and Nigel, do you believe these characters are weirdos?

1235
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is out the

1236
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: gun guy guy ralpher filling in of Mike Braun did it.

1237
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: He pulled the trigger. Calling a special session November third,

1238
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about redistricting, getting those votes

1239
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: to redraw some congressional lines here in the state and

1240
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: possibly maybe pick up a seat or two in the

1241
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: House right now. There are two to be picked up

1242
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: if they go that way. There's also look, we're gonna

1243
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: talk about this all week. This is going to be

1244
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: a big deal. But there's also something else that's kind

1245
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: of attached to this special session. Yeah, that nobody's talking

1246
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: about it. We haven't mentioned it yet. Is the federal

1247
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: tax compliance issue. And guy, maybe you and you just

1248
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: got a text message from a former rep. That could

1249
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: shed some light on this and maybe give people more

1250
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: of an idea of what this is about.

1251
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, a good friend of mine served in the legislature

1252
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: for a long long time, very very productively texted me

1253
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 3: after he heard our discussion about why Braun called this

1254
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: special session, and I think he raised a very very

1255
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: good point, and that is that when Governor Braun announced

1256
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: he was calling the special session, he mentioned two different

1257
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: issues he wants the General Assembly to address. Just one

1258
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: is redistricting. The other one is the fact that and listen,

1259
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm not a tax guy. I have no authority whatsoever

1260
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: on the tax code. But apparently there are some recent

1261
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: changes to the federal tax code that require Indiana to

1262
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: realign its state tax code to be consistent with parallel

1263
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: to the new as amended federal tax code. So that

1264
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: needs to be done, and that was reason in and

1265
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 3: of itself to call the special session. Here, Governor Broun

1266
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: has cover because he can call the special session and

1267
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: say in order to alleviate some of that political pressure

1268
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: that he's getting from Washington and President Trump, specifically Vice

1269
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: President Vance. Now two trips to Indianapolis, he can say, hey,

1270
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: I called a special session to address the redistricting when

1271
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: he really needed to call it anyway. Now he just

1272
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: gets to lump this in and he gets political cover.

1273
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: I thought that was just such a wise point that

1274
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't smart enough to come up with on my own,

1275
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: and I wanted to mention it because I think that's

1276
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: a very good theory.

1277
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: So do you think this is but I mean, you know,

1278
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: quote from Braun, I'm also asking the legislature to conform

1279
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: Indiana's tax code with the new federal tax provisions to

1280
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: ensure stability. It's certain certainty for taxpayers and tax repairers

1281
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six filings. So what's your contact

1282
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: is saying, the former representative is saying, is that this

1283
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: is equally like I feel like they're just kind of

1284
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: tacking that on. Is that what you're saying, They're tacking

1285
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: this little this this tax.

1286
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: That can easily be the appearance right because he's saying,

1287
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna do what the big hitters in

1288
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: Washington want me to do and which some elements of

1289
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: Indiana Republicans want me to do, which is to call

1290
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: a special session to do redistricting. But he really needs

1291
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: to call a special session anyway, So this way he

1292
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: can have his cake and need it too, call it

1293
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: for a reason that he needed, you know, separate and

1294
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: apart from redistricting, and get the political heat off of

1295
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: him by saying he wants the legislature, whether they have

1296
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: the votes or not, to address redistricting, and by the way,

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Speaker 3: while still whipping votes to get enough votes to accomplish

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Speaker 3: the redistricting so he can get he he can do

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Speaker 3: both and claim credit for both at this.

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Speaker 1: Point, because we had Governor Braun in here last week

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Speaker 1: and he seemed to be very confident that he I

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Speaker 1: got the feeling that he was going to call the

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Speaker 1: special special session and that they were going to be

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Speaker 1: able to have enough votes to redistrict. That's my feeling.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I couldn't imagine him calling a special session,

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Speaker 1: spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers money and

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Speaker 1: then coming up short. Note.

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Speaker 3: That really makes you look like a week leader. It

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Speaker 3: does make you look weak. At the same time, it

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Speaker 3: allows you to deflect and say I wanted him to

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Speaker 3: do the right thing. I just and this is frankly

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Speaker 3: exactly what he did on property tax I know he

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Speaker 3: said I wanted to stand firm, I wanted a much

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Speaker 3: more significant reductions to property taxes that people in the

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Speaker 3: legislature wouldn't agree with me. I did my best, and

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Speaker 3: he has the exact same out if he chooses to

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Speaker 3: go that direction if they don't do what he wants

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Speaker 3: him to do on property taxes. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you because I heard your interview with

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Speaker 3: Governor Braun right here in this studio. At the same time,

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Speaker 3: I've also heard what Rod Brays had to say, which

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Speaker 3: is that he doesn't think the votes are there in

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Speaker 3: the Indiana Senate.

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Speaker 1: So if he doesn't think the votes are that's the

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Speaker 1: whole thing here, and I just don't I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: that Governor Braun is going to risk that political appittal

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Speaker 1: to say yeah, we're gonna call a special session and

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Speaker 1: then all of this on the redistricting it gets voted down. Ah,

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Speaker 1: I did what I could. But that makes Braun, like

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's gonna be like, what kind of leader are you?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? That's fair? That's a big risk,

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Speaker 1: I guess, is what I'm saying. Right, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna call a special session on property taxes, which,

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Speaker 1: like you pointed out earlier, the legislature already voted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see, we don't have a vote yet on redistricting,

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Speaker 3: so he can make these people responsible.

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Speaker 1: And so is Braun beholden to Trump or the citizens

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Speaker 1: of Indiana. Lots of Hoosiers, I think would probably say Braun,

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Speaker 1: this is just off the top of my head. I'm

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Speaker 1: just thinking. I'm saying, lots of Hoosiers that voted for

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Speaker 1: Trump saying Braun should do whatever Trump wants. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I mean you don't think that, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, a lot of people are saying that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm just giving you guy Ralford Japan rights now just

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Speaker 3: me personally, No, his number one priority ought to be

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Speaker 3: the citizens of the state of Indiana. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I still am disappointed. He didn't actually go ahead and

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Speaker 3: veto the property tax bill, for instance, and and draw

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Speaker 3: a line in the sand and say, this is not

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Speaker 3: what I wanted, not what I campaigned for. You do

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Speaker 3: this the way I wanted you to do it the

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Speaker 3: original Senate bill won, or don't do it at all.

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Speaker 3: And and even if they still went back against him,

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Speaker 3: he at least drew a line in the sand. I

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Speaker 3: think here he had to draw a line in the

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Speaker 3: sand and make it clear that he wants to do

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Speaker 3: what the constituents right here in Indiana elected him to do,

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Speaker 3: which is lead us the way he campaigned on. And

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Speaker 3: so no, I think his number one priority ought to

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Speaker 3: be what his constituents want him to do right here.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, the president of the United States

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Speaker 3: and Republican Party nationally starts leaning on you, and so

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Speaker 3: I can start talking about, well, you know, you know

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Speaker 3: that that's a nice governorship you got there. It'd be

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Speaker 3: a shame of somebody primaried it here next election. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, there, there are there are there. There are

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways they can lean on him that

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Speaker 3: I'm sure are very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: If the goal again I said it earlier, if the

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Speaker 1: goal is domination by the repub by the Republicans, then

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Speaker 1: redistricting is the right call. If that's if you're hardcore

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Speaker 1: and you want to win and you don't want the

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Speaker 1: Democrats to ever have a chance ever again to ye

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Speaker 1: to you know, to be in the mix, then it's

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Speaker 1: the right call. But if you think honest representation is

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Speaker 1: what's right, then it does seem a little unethical. It's

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Speaker 1: a choice you have to make, even though unethical doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that they totally have the right to do this. No,

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Speaker 1: such a conundrum.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting and listen, I mean my natural reaction to

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Speaker 3: the issue is to want to do the right thing,

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Speaker 3: do what's you know, the most ethical, But then pretty

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Speaker 3: easily somebody calls me naive, which is well, guide the

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Speaker 3: Democrats don't play by those rules exactly, and all we're

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Speaker 3: doing is counteracting what they're doing in all these states.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you've seen the districts in Illinois and

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Speaker 3: California and New Jersey and Connecticut and Maryland and New York,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're ridiculous, they're laughable. So they're saying, all

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Speaker 3: we're doing is playing by the same rules as the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: So in a perfect world.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, hey, let's do the right thing. Let's be ethical,

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 3: let's give everybody an equal voice, and that's the way

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Speaker 3: our government is designed to function. But there's a little

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Speaker 3: whisper behind my ear that tells me I'm being stupid

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Speaker 3: naive because that's not the rules that those aren't the

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Speaker 3: rules that the Democrats follow.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show Kevin Bowen

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: from when I was seventy five to fan their morning show,

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01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: our sports stock station here in the building. To talk

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Speaker 1: about the Colts, their big win. We'll talk IU, we'll

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: talk the injury ridden Pacers a little bit after five

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Speaker 1: point thirty. My name is Nigel. That's guy Relford filling

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Speaker 1: in for Hammer. One of the things that I thought

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Speaker 1: was funny, and it always comes up when talking about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and you know, being an authoritarian, being a dictator,

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Speaker 1: is that he's going he's gotten merch to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, he's going to run for a third term.

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Speaker 1: I love this, and look, he was asked about this

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Speaker 1: today and there's several ways that people are theorizing that

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Speaker 1: he's going to kind of circumvent the constitution. Let me

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Speaker 1: just play this audio. Here's Trump ruling out running for

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Speaker 1: the vice presidency in twenty twenty eight, which is an

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Speaker 1: approach again that some of his supporters have floated to

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Speaker 1: allow him to serve an additional tournament office. He read,

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Speaker 1: how you might try to serve a third term if

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Speaker 1: you can run it to the vice president. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: be allowed to do that. The White House convision. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd be allowed to do that. But I would. I would.

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Speaker 1: I think it's stupid. Yeah, I would rule it up

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Speaker 1: because it's too cute. I think that people would like

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Speaker 1: that it's too cute. It's not it would be right.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We also has on the record is saying I would

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Speaker 1: love to do it. Though I would love to I

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Speaker 1: would love to run for a third term, not as

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Speaker 1: vice president. As he was saying it's too cute. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. He can't do it

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Speaker 1: anything anyway. The Twelfth Amendment says anyone constitutionally ineligible to

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Speaker 1: be president is also ineligible to be vice president. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's, you know, under the twentieth Amendment. In the

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Speaker 1: twelfth Amendment, there's some there's people trying to circumvent that.

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Speaker 1: Here is I'm going to play somebody here of Trump's

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01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: former advisor Steve Bannon seems to think that Trump has

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight in the bag. And this is him

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Speaker 1: on something called The Economist podcast a few days ago.

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Speaker 11: And does he need a third term in order to

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Speaker 11: see that job through? Well, he's going to get a

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Speaker 11: third term. So if Trump twenty eight, Trump is going

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Speaker 11: to be president of twenty eight, then people just sort

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01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 11: to get accommodated with that.

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Speaker 1: So what about the twenty second amendments?

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Speaker 11: There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time will lay

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Speaker 11: out what the plan is.

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Speaker 1: But there's a plan.

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Speaker 11: And President Trump will be the president in twenty eight.

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 11: We had longer odds in sixteen and longer odds in

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Speaker 11: twenty four than we got in twenty eight. And President

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Speaker 11: Trump will be the president United States, and the country

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 11: needs him to be president Nied States. We have to

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Speaker 11: finish what we started.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, guy, is this anything Steve Bannon there

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Speaker 1: running his mouth. I just don't think the constitution works

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: like that. You would have to amend the constitution first.

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: There are amendments in place to keep everything that he

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Speaker 1: was talking about, including you know, running on a VP

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Speaker 1: ticket and then having the person resign, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, having the president resign and having Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: as vice president takeover as president. There's amendments in place

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Speaker 1: that don't allow for that.

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Speaker 3: Listen, anything I want to say about Steve Bannon. He's

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Speaker 3: never struck me as a constitutional scholar. And I think

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Speaker 3: what you see, you know, the Trump twenty twenty eight

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,879
Speaker 3: merged and some of that stuff people need to understand.

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Speaker 3: But Donald Trump is one of the all time great

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 3: trolls of in the history of social media, and he

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Speaker 3: loves to put stuff out there that just gets people

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 3: riled up and has them running around in circles waving

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Speaker 3: their hands in the air. And I just think it's

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Speaker 3: hilarious when he does this. The Constitution says what it says,

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Speaker 3: and President Trump is plenty smart enough to know that

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Speaker 3: any efforts along those lines would not be successful legally.

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Speaker 3: And frankly, you know, how do the American people really

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Speaker 3: feel about that? Because whoever would run as president, for instance,

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Speaker 3: with him as vice president so has to win the election.

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Speaker 1: And how many do you Yeah, that's exactly, But you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to amend the Constitution and you

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Speaker 1: have to draft the amendment, you propose it two thirds

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Speaker 1: vote and both the House had said it, ratify it,

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Speaker 1: and then survive litigation, and then you have to run.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it has to be ratified in

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Speaker 3: thirty nine states. And do you think that happens overnight?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at the last few constitutional amendments and

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Speaker 3: how long they they took to even get done. You're

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Speaker 3: assuming you can pass the resolution in two thirds by

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Speaker 3: a two thirds majority of Congress or a two thirds

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Speaker 3: vote in a constitutional convention and they still get it

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Speaker 3: ratified by three quarters of the states. That's thirty nine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's not going to happen. Everybody knows it's

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Speaker 3: not going to happen. And I think Bannon's not smart

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Speaker 3: enough to figure that out, or maybe he's just trolling too,

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Speaker 3: But I think President Trump is just having fun with it,

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I do too, you know, And maybe he's talking about

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Speaker 1: Don Junior in twenty twenty eight Trump.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Trump twenty twenty eight Don Junior, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: or one of the daughters.

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Speaker 1: Don't looks like when that's the argument like we had,

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Speaker 1: we were kind of mocking the no Kings protests and

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, a couple of Saturdays ago

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Speaker 1: in the State House. You know, it's not just Trump,

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Speaker 1: It's like, we hate billionaires, we hate the people in control. Well,

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Speaker 1: I got news. I got bad news for the people

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Speaker 1: at those New Kings protests. Those are highly organized nationwide

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Speaker 1: protests by billionaires, funded by billionaires.

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Speaker 3: That's such a good point, Niche.

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Speaker 1: It is so true.

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Speaker 3: You know, if George Soros is writing you a check

1508
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 3: to go to go campaign and protest that you hate billionaires,

1509
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: how incredibly hilarious is that? I mean ironic, certainly, but

1510
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's just hilarious.

1511
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: And then we and then of course we get the tweets,

1512
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: we get them on social media. Well, Donald Trump has merchandise.

1513
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: He's openly said he would like to run for a

1514
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: third what president you think Obama wouldn't have wanted to

1515
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: run for a third term? Exactly, He didn't go out

1516
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: and nobly say it. I don't think like Donald Trump does.

1517
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: But like you said, Trump could be the ultimate troll

1518
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: the people that hate him the most.

1519
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: Again, and don't ever and you and I I know

1520
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: agree on this completely, but don't ever discount the value

1521
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: that Trump puts in just trolling people, just totally making

1522
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 3: people spend I think when they commemorate, when they finally

1523
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 3: get done with the ballroom, right, that he's causing all

1524
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: this controversy, which I also think is.

1525
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: A hilarious that's a whole Yeah, I'm so glad you

1526
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: brought that up. The ballroom that he's paying for by money.

1527
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, But when they commemorate that, I think it would

1528
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 3: be completely like like Trump to come out with a

1529
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 3: big plaque that says, yes, this is his Royal Majesty

1530
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: Donald Trump ballroom.

1531
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, just just totally to get people spinning on

1532
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: this whole. No ki gigs, is that all they have?

1533
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: Like when they were yeah, there was a twenty four

1534
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: hour news cycle maybe forty eight when they were you know,

1535
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: morning Joe was saying, oh my dear lord, I can't

1536
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: believe look at the because the White House was under construction, right,

1537
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: and so it was east pretty bad, was it? The

1538
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: east wing.

1539
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: It's just still over a soccer that was built in

1540
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: the forties. I mean, it's not like it's been there since.

1541
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: You know, they rebuilt it after the War of eighteen twelve.

1542
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 3: They just they built the east wing to hide a

1543
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: bunker that they built in the forties during World War Two.

1544
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: It's sick, is that what they have to complain about.

1545
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: After Donald Trump just basically all but solved the Hamas

1546
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: Israeli conflict and got the hostages back. Well, we really

1547
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: can't talk about that anymore. But me and Donald Trump

1548
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: spending his own money to construct a ballroom on the

1549
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: White House. That's all they have exactly.

1550
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: Do you see what what Representative Swallwell said today, Oh

1551
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: this is hilarious.

1552
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 6: He said.

1553
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: He said it should be a precondition of any Democrat

1554
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: running for president in twenty twenty eight that they commit

1555
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: to tear down Trump's ballroom.

1556
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: Tear it down. Okay, it was, it was.

1557
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: It was what I was paid for with no government funds,

1558
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: all private funds. And you know, and and and by

1559
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: the way, do you know they have a bunch of

1560
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: these state dinners where they're bringing in emperors and kings,

1561
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 3: prime ministers and presidents and they have them in tense.

1562
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1563
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's dumb like your brother in law's you know,

1564
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 3: brother in law's wedding you with the big white tent

1565
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 3: and this is at the White House. Yeah, and so

1566
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: we're building a ballroom. Swall Wall says, in order to

1567
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: run for president in twenty twenty, you have to commit

1568
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 3: to tear it down. Bring in bulldozers and knock it down.

1569
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 3: These people you talk about Trump derangement syndrome. Oh, it's

1570
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: that's classic.

1571
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: The Hammer and Nigel Show. My name is Nigel Guy

1572
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: Relford filling in for Hammer the Colts. What a gorgeous

1573
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 1: day for a Colts beat down of the Tennessee Titans

1574
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: Division rivals thirty eight to fourteen to final score. We'll

1575
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: go straight to the hotline and bring on Kevin Bowen

1576
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: from the morning show on one seven five the Fan.

1577
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, and then we'll get to the game,

1578
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: like do you remember where you were, what you were

1579
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: doing when you heard Daniel Jones was coming to be

1580
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: the Colts quarterback? And do you remember your thought process

1581
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: and what you were thinking and can you compare and

1582
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: contrast that to what you're thinking now?

1583
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 4: Well, I that's a great question, Nige. I don't necessarily recall,

1584
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 4: like you know, where I maybe was, but you know,

1585
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 4: I just I figured and wrongly it was just the

1586
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 4: same old, samele, you know, a different you know whatever.

1587
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 4: Jacoby Rissett, Carson Wentz Gardner Minshew, you know, Matt Ryan,

1588
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 4: you know, just one of these others. And then you

1589
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 4: know it kind of hit me probably midway through the

1590
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: off season. I was like, oh wait, like this is

1591
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 4: real in the sense of like he's going to I

1592
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 4: think start. You know, it kind of hit me, Yeah

1593
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 4: a little bit there, like, oh no, this is like

1594
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 4: going to happen to picture like I'd be debating Jonathan

1595
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 4: Taylor or Daniel for NFL MVP on our radio show.

1596
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 13: No.

1597
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris thought, Okay, your your takeaways from the game.

1598
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: I believe he called put on what they call a clinic.

1599
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: Is that is that the term? Is that the term

1600
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titan on the Tennessee Titans.

1601
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's an accurate way to put it.

1602
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's surgical what they've done. And you know,

1603
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 4: I honestly feel like I've done the same Monday Show

1604
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: like several times this season NIGE and done it in

1605
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 4: a you know, like uber positive light. You know, we're

1606
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 4: not us NFL teams blowing other feet out to the

1607
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 4: level that the Colts have. You know, it's very rare

1608
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 4: to like have to play in fourth quarters around emptying

1609
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 4: your bench in the NFL, and yet the Colts have

1610
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: done that. I know I've said this to you guys

1611
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 4: here on these Mondays, but just to reiterated, the Colts

1612
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 4: do not have a single twenty point win last year,

1613
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: the year before, or the year before that. Wow, And

1614
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 4: this year they already have four of them. And we're

1615
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 4: I mean, we're we're not even at the midway point

1616
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 4: of the season. So I mean that to me, just

1617
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 4: like from a I guess a context standpoint, maybe that's

1618
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 4: kind of the best way to sum it up. They

1619
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 4: had eight wins last year, all eight or by one score. Yeah,

1620
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 4: this year got four by twenty points and another one

1621
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:04,919
Speaker 4: by fourteen.

1622
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: And so you were debating on your show whether it's

1623
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: going to be Daniel Jones or Jonathan Taylor for MVP.

1624
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I know after that eighty year old that

1625
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: eighty yard touchdown run by Jonathan Taylor, the whole I mean,

1626
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: that was the play where everybody was chanting MVP.

1627
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And honestly, I think part of this sense

1628
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 4: from Okay, what is MVP. Is it the acronym most

1629
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 4: valuable player or is it the best player in the NFL.

1630
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 4: To me, it should be the best player in the

1631
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 4: NFL because when we get into the definition of the

1632
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 4: actual acronym, spelling it out, well, quarterback is the most

1633
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 4: weighed position in the entire sports landscape. You know, there's

1634
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 4: no position like quarterbacks, So of course he's the most valuable.

1635
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean, if I told you the Culture are going

1636
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 4: to go start their backup running back or the backup

1637
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 4: quarterback tomorrow, you'd vote for them starting their backup running back.

1638
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 4: But if you're talking, the best player in the NF

1639
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 4: fell to me in twenty twenty five. It has ben

1640
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 4: Jonson Taylor and the fact that he's taking his game,

1641
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 4: which is already on a Hall of Fame type of path,

1642
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 4: the fact that he's taking it to another level is

1643
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 4: just amazing.

1644
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know you had the numbers right there in

1645
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: front of you. I don't I misplaced mine somewhere, But

1646
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: multiple games, one hundred yard games, two hundred yard games,

1647
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: he just keeps seeing like and teams don't have an

1648
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: answer for him. And I'm wondering what we're going to

1649
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: see moving forward. How are teams that are left on

1650
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: the schedule going to contain Jonathan Taylor or Daniel Jones

1651
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:35,719
Speaker 1: for that matter.

1652
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, good luck.

1653
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. It's just this balance. You know,

1654
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 4: they can attack you in multiple ways. It seemingly is

1655
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of throw to score in the first

1656
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: half and then run to win in the second half.

1657
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 4: Taylor's numbers in the second half are astonishing this season,

1658
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 4: and that's probably the most I say, just dynamic out

1659
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 4: element to your offense because you know the fact that

1660
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 4: you can be multiple and again you can be a

1661
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 4: bit unpredictable. Your tight end is a huge help. I

1662
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: think in recent yes, the Colts are kind of tipping

1663
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: their hands, yes, depending on what tight end was on

1664
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 4: the field. The fact that you have Tyler Warren out

1665
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 4: there is can do so many different things. I think

1666
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 4: it's a huge help as well. So I believe the

1667
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 4: young kids would say the Colts are a wagon right now.

1668
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 4: I don't really know what that means. Whether they are

1669
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 4: a wagon, I.

1670
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: Don't know what that means. We're speaking with Kevin Bowen

1671
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: from one O seven to five to the fan, So

1672
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: have the Colts passed all the tests they needed to pass?

1673
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: That kind of sounds like a raw, raw, raw sort

1674
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: of fan uber fan question, like we keep on saying,

1675
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Tennessee's a week team. They played some

1676
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: other week teams. But they've had some tests, they failed some.

1677
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 1: They failed a test against the Rams. But what do

1678
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: they have coming up now? They got the Steelers next week.

1679
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: The Steelers lost to the Packers last night. Was it

1680
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: thirty five to twenty five or something like that? Is

1681
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 1: that a quote unquote test on the road for the Colts?

1682
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1683
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 4: I think going back to your original question knowledge of like,

1684
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 4: have they passed all the tests? Is the answer to

1685
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 4: that I think is no. But at the same time,

1686
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 4: I want to make sure, like all the tests that

1687
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 4: have pretty much been put in front of them, they've

1688
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 4: like virtually aced all of them, which again does not

1689
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 4: happen in the NFL. Teams do not have the scoring

1690
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 4: margin that the Colts have. Now, have they played one

1691
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 4: of the easier schedules in the league so far? I

1692
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 4: don't know if the data would say that, but my

1693
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 4: guess is they probably have. You know at Pittsburgh, yes,

1694
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 4: that's a little bit of a different challenge. How about

1695
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 4: at Kansas City, Yes, in a few weeks after the

1696
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 4: bye week, how about a trip to Seattle in December?

1697
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 4: You know, you still haven't played the second place team

1698
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 4: in your division Jacksonville either game. You still haven't played

1699
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 4: the third place team in your division, Houston, either game.

1700
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 4: So yes, I think really today marks a shift in

1701
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 4: the season, not just because the midway point. I think

1702
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 4: for the most part the and I say this in quotes,

1703
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 4: the easier part of your schedule is largely over and

1704
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 4: now the more difficult part will start to arrive. I

1705
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 4: think of their final nine ninege yeah, I want to

1706
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: say six of them are away from home, so just

1707
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: there kind of the sheer number. And again I don't

1708
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 4: think you're gonna be You know, they were a fourteen

1709
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 4: point favorite yesterday. I mean Hammer would know this full well.

1710
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 4: I mean that is a massive number in the NFL.

1711
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 4: There's not going to be a fourteen point favorite in

1712
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: any game the rest of the season.

1713
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Did you hop on Hammer's bet with Jonathan Taylor three touchdowns?

1714
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: Did you hop on that train? Because I did, and

1715
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: I want, but I only got it at plus six

1716
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: hundred though.

1717
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to be careful. You know how many

1718
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 4: times I hop on anything of Jason Hammer's. But to

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Speaker 4: be saying, not only not only that profitable bet right there,

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 4: but he also gave us a Benedict matherin pacer first

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01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 4: three pointer to open up the season last Thursday. We

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 4: have Hammer on every Thursday at nine thirty. Oh yeah,

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01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 4: Jason Hammer has made our listener's a lot of money

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Speaker 4: and my kid's five twenty nine is very grateful.

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Speaker 6: Right right.

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Speaker 1: We speaking with Kevin Bowen Morning Show for one of

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Speaker 1: seven five the Fan, our sister sports talk stations. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Pacers. I was listening to you

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: and JMV on the radio yesterday. I'm doing the Colts pregame.

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01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: It's your Your conversation steered towards the Pacers, and when

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: it did, it kind of sounded like both of you

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01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: wanted to drive your your cars into brick walls all

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01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: of a sudd It's sudden, you know what I mean.

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01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: It sounded like, and I'm not talking about from an

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01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 1: on air performance quality, it just sounded sort of in

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01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 1: despair about what the Pacers are going through right now

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: in terms of injuries and the start of their season.

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Speaker 1: Can you break that down for me?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So, they currently have eight players missing time due

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01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 4: to injury, particularly in the back court, like that's where

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01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 4: virtually all of it is. And this is including Tyree

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 4: Halliburn here so the other night on a satur night,

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: and I consider myself, I guess a follow over the Pacers.

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01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: They had a.

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 4: Lineup in the first quarter where their two guards were

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01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 4: guys by the.

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Speaker 2: Name of ray J.

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01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 4: Dennis and Taylan Peter. Okay, and like, I mean, you've

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01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 4: got to be an eighty suit where I guess a

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01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: forty one night season ticket holder could probably know who

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01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 4: those two guys are at nights. They're getting in in

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01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 4: the first quarter of game two of the season. Like

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 4: to me, that sounds like a lineup for the fort

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01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 4: Wayne madd Ann to the Noblesville Boom, like, and it

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01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 4: is shot. I mean, that's just the reality of where

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01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 4: they're at right now. They are in a dire health situation.

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Speaker 4: Guys injured, Tyree Talliburton, TJ McConnell, Benedict Matheren, Andrew Nemhart,

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Speaker 4: Obi Poppin, Johnny Fursey, I mean, the list goes on

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 4: and on. So yeah, it's just a weird evaluation period

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01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 4: of the Pacers right now because you're like complimenting them

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01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 4: on their effort and yet they're zero to three and

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01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 4: an oh and four start would be I think the

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Speaker 4: longest in like twenty or thirty some years. But that's

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Speaker 4: just the reality of how banged up they are right now.

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Speaker 1: That first game of this regular season was that where

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01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle was kind of going nuts? Is that was he? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that the right?

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Speaker 1: And have you talked to him since then?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So we had him on just before that thunder game.

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01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 4: So we have him on every Tuesday, okay, ye, So yeah,

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01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 4: we are schedul to have him on coming up coming

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01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 4: up tomorrow. And I mean it's got to be uber

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 4: frustrating for him because I know the officiating opening night,

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01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 4: he was, yes, you know, obviously too pleased to that.

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 4: And again that was a point in time where they

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 4: were a little bit healthier.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 4: Since then, you know, Nemhart got hurt in that game.

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01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 4: Since then, Ben mcmatherden's gotten hurt, Obi Toppins gotten hurt.

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01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 4: So you know, now right now they are just in

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01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 4: scramble mode. I've never seen the Pacers this injured. I

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01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 4: mean to think the Pacers have more guys injured than

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01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 4: the Colts right now. And the Colts play football and

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01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 4: there's forty six of them that play every game versus

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 4: what twelve NBA players.

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Speaker 1: What about are you are you football number two? Looking

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01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: at the rest of their schedule, what do they have?

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01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on finishing out with IU football?

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 4: Well, on paper, the schedule is a joke. The rest

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01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 4: of the way, they got four games left in the

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01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 4: Big Ten. Those teams have combined to win one Big

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01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 4: Ten games. So it is a collision course to Lucas

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01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 4: Oil Stadium and Ohio State in all likelihoods for the

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01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 4: Big Ten championship game here in a little over a month.

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01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 4: I sound like a broken record. I feel like I've

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01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 4: done the same Monday show about the Colts. I feel

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 4: like I've done the same Monday show about IU football.

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01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 4: They just won their second Big Ten game by fifty

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01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 4: points this season.

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Speaker 2: Like I Believa, you used to.

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01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 4: People checking out on IU football at halftime they go

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01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 4: out to Tampa. Now you check out because the game's

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01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 4: not entertaining anymore. They're just eating the brakes off the opponent.

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01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: Kevin I fell asleep during the middle of that game.

1805
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:53,759
Speaker 1: Once it hit. Once it hits the thirties, I was like, COUM,

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01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: that's a good thing.

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 4: And again, nothing because of anything in the enda did

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01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 4: poorly because what we're doing the breaks off.

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Speaker 1: Their opponent there.

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Speaker 4: So they do go on the road the next two

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Speaker 4: weeks at Maryland and at Penn State. Again, those teams

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01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 4: have struggled here lately. Obviously Penn State's got a new coach,

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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 4: but still based off how Indiana's played this season, it's

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01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 4: it's stay healthy till the Big Ten title game. In

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01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 4: all likelihood, they're probably looking at a buy in the

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01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 4: college football playoffs, unbelievab, which would put them you know,

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01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 4: not getting a home game, it would immediately put them

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01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 4: into the quarter final part of the bracket.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning on your sports morning show, Pacers coach Rick Carlisle.

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Speaker 4: What else, Yeah, we also have Doug Bowls on, so

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01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 4: I think Doug wants to come on chat a little bit.

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01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 4: Never too early to look ahead to never another five hundred,

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01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 4: So the great Doug Bowles will join us and then

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01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: hopefully Rick Carlisle there in Dallas for a game on Wednesday,

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01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 4: so I will have Rick join us from there.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen one seven fan, thank you as always, have a.

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Speaker 4: Great week, you bet Nige, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's a Hammery Nigel show sampled Okay, Hammer's out the

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01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:10,839
Speaker 1: gun guy Guy Ralford is in moonshine. Mondays aren't stopping. Baby.

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01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: We have a super fan that likes to make illegal

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01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: moonshine for us, and this time he's dropped off a

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01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Halloween batch. Previously, Guy, we had this whole just several

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01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: different flavors, and he labeled them all. Look at this

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01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: mason jar right here. There's no label on what this is,

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01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: but could you describe maybe what you're looking at.

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01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of mustard color, and it's got

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01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 3: some viscosity to it.

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01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: It's got some viscosity. It is mustard color. I was

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01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: gonna say pumpkin, because this is inco the super fan

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01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: that made this for us, and and.

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Speaker 3: By the way, as your attorney, this is not this

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 3: is not illegal moonshine. This is moonshine, the legality of

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01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 3: which has not been substantiate.

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01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna start saying that from now on. I

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01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: think it just sounds neatter when we say so if

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01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: you don't, I don't know what this is like. I

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01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: know it's moonshine, but I don't want flavor. And we're

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01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 1: about to put it in our body. We're going to

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01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: experience it together. He did say again, this was Halloween

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01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: flavored high Halloween style moonshine here, so uh heres to

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01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: you cheers on moonshine Monday. Thank you to our super fan.

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01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 1: I think it's got a little pumpkin, little yeah, little cinnamon,

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01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: and definitely a little spice. You could tell you that

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01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: I always said, this guy has this moonshine. I mean,

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01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: don't let the viscosity, like you said, and the color

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01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 1: and the smell fool you, because it's got a kick

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01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: to it, right.

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01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,879
Speaker 3: But it's fabulous.

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01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I would. I would put this

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01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: over ice cream. You would do another one? Alright, Well,

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01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: let's do another one man Guy Ralford, the gun guy

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Speaker 1: filling in for Jason Hammer three w IBC.