1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Tony cats Today, my. 3 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Favorite districting And for some reason, in the state of Indiana, 4 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: this has become a your issue and the President has 5 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: now weighed in. 6 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: I live in this state. 7 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: I do a morning show in this state, the largest 8 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: morning show in the state. I would say so, I 9 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: will Tony Katz Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 10 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: This show is heard across the state. People have opinions. 11 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. But I've heard a lot 12 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: of opinions about redistricting that involve a tremendous amount of 13 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: what can only be described as nonsense. Now it's not 14 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: that it's nonsense because I want to do and somebody 15 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: else doesn't. In the end, that's how people vote, right, 16 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: do you want something, do you not want something? And 17 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: so they're going to go to their elected officials and 18 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: say do this or don't do those. But I want 19 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: to make the conversation clear that it isn't a fool's 20 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: errand and the arguments against are very much not in 21 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: concert with any rational thought. This has been going on 22 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: for a while, the push for redistricting. There are nine 23 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: congressional districts. In Indiana, Republicans hold seven. So the question is, well, 24 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: so you want to redistrict for the other two. You 25 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: want to redistrict because the Democratic Party has done so 26 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: in California, is doing so in Maryland, well Tony. Texas 27 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: did it first? Concede Texas did it first? Texas engaged 28 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: a legal process, a political process to change districts and 29 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: draw the lines for congressional districts to congressional maps that 30 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: would give the party in power and advantage. That party 31 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: is the Republican Party. 32 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: Texans could then decide what they do about this. 33 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: And in that conversation has come a conversation that's happening 34 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: right here in Indiana, which is the idea of well, 35 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: if you draw the draw the lines differently, you're disentranchising 36 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: these voters. 37 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: No, you're not. That is a lie. So stop it, 38 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 3: and I want you to call people liars who say 39 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: such a thing. It is. No one is disenfranchised. 40 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: No one took away anybody's vote with a differently drawn line. 41 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: Was any vote taken away with the lines drawn as 42 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: they are? You might have in your district a more 43 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Democratic leaning, are more Republican leaning, and you're the other way. 44 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: Was your vote really taken away? Absolutely not. You still 45 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: have your vote. No one was disenfranchised. It is a lie, 46 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: so we should at least call it as such. The 47 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: opportunity Texans have if they don't like this redistricting is 48 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: they can vote out their local state legislator. That's the 49 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: proper recourse in a political process. And I left it 50 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: at that. Then California said, well, we're going to redistrict. 51 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: Oh so now it's about retribution. Well, if it's about retribution, holy. 52 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: Hell, game on kitten. 53 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: Because in the retribution game, Democrats are very very good 54 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: at this and Republicans are very very bad at this. 55 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: And part of the reason Republicans are very bad at 56 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: this is because Republicans think that somehow there are rules 57 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: that they are supposed to be playing by. They're fully 58 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: aware that Democrats don't play by the rules. They are 59 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: fully aware that the Democrats are understanders of power, are 60 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: utilizers of power, and they don't apologize for power, and 61 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: every single thing they do is to amass more power. 62 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: And they don't care how they lie. 63 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: How they scream, how they cajole, how they manipulate, how 64 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: they bus nothing. 65 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: They've shown you. 66 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: Republicans are very concerned about how it looks. We're concerned about, well, 67 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: is this the right thing to do? And then they 68 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: kind of suck on their thumb and wet themselves and 69 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: hold on to their woobiings say mom, is it okay? Also, 70 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: can I have ice cream? And you're like, are you 71 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: Joe Biden? And they're like, I don't know. Is that 72 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: what you want me to be? Because I'll be whatever 73 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 4: you want me to be, Just please don't hurt me. 74 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: That's the Republican Party. And what Trump has done is 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: said you have to fight. 76 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Now. Some people thought you have to fight like Trump, 77 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 2: and that's not one hundred percent true. 78 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: You have to be willing to fight. 79 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: And the most recent thing we saw about this is 80 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: Republicans seeing Democrats screaming and yelling about the shutdown, and 81 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: Republicans said, we. 82 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: Voted for the continuing resolution. Vote for it. We could 83 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: talk about the other things. 84 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: Everyone should be amazed that Republicans in the shutdown didn't crack, 85 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: because that's what everybody was expecting. That's what Democrats were expecting. 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: They don't care whether they're in the majority or they're 87 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: in the minority. 88 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: They know how to wield power. 89 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: They know how to apply pressure, and Republicans in the 90 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: main throughout history have capitulated on the shutdown. 91 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: And man, there's a real learning lesson there. 92 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: No one is disenfranchised by the changing of the drawing 93 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: of the lines. This leads us to the idea of fairness. 94 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: You take a look at your state right now. You 95 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: take a look at how the lines are drawn, and 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: you tell me what is fair about it? 97 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: Go out all. 98 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: Wait, Fairness does not exist in the drawing of a 99 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: congressional line. Fairness is the thing you tell your kid 100 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: when you want them to share the legos with the 101 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: other kid, so everybody will stop complaining and you can 102 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: go back to watching whatever it is you're doom scrolling 103 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: on Facebook. That's what fairness is. Actually, that's not even fair, 104 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: that's just bad parenting. Fairness does not come up in 105 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: this conversation at all. Fairness was when everybody who is 106 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: a legal citizen of the United States got to vote, 107 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: and then they've voted for elected leaders, and those leaders 108 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: then were imbued with certain levels of power, and the 109 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: question is why. 110 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 3: Don't you use it? And now what you're saying is. 111 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: Because they won, they shouldn't be able to use it. 112 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, well they use it. It's 113 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: not fair. 114 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: Stop it. Fairness is a child's argument. It is not 115 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: a factual argument. It is not even a decent argument, 116 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: and it is an argument that the political right in Indiana 117 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: and everywhere else. 118 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: Should push to the side. Then I was told, well. 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: You know, the overwhelming amounts of people in Indiana were 120 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: called hoosiers. By the way, hoosiers don't want this. Some 121 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: of those polls had a resounding fifty one percent of 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: people who were opposed. If you think that fifty one 123 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: percent is overwhelming, I don't think you understand what a 124 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: poll looks like. And secondly, don't blame me because Republicans 125 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: have done arap job of selling the story Democrats will 126 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: oppose everything Republicans do. 127 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: So am I really supposed to pay attention to their 128 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: part in this poll? What does that matter in a. 129 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: Political process where the Republicans won the seats? 130 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: It doesn't. Now you might. 131 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: Say, specifically to your district, well, if this happens, I'm 132 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: not going to get reelected because there's many Republicans and 133 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: independence of an issue. You could make that argument. That 134 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: isn't the argument being made The argument being made is 135 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: it's somehow overwhelmingly and no, it's not. 136 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: No, it's not. It's a political process. 137 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: Abortion in the state of Indiana is overwhelmingly not wanted. 138 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: If Democrats had power, abortion would be legal up until 139 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: the third grade. Did I say anything that isn't true? 140 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,239 Speaker 2: The answer is, of course not. We're having a conversation 141 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: about power and the utilization thereof. One of the questions 142 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: has been is this all about Trump? Trump wanted to redistricting. 143 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think. 144 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: Trump did start this thing. And by the way, we 145 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: should be clear that just because your redistrict doesn't mean 146 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: it's gonna work. Doesn't mean it's gonna work. It's very 147 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: possible that it doesn't work. Everything has a downside, Everything. 148 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: Is a risk. 149 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: I concur with that. So did Trump? Was he the 150 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: first person to say yes? Does it make it wrong? 151 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: No? 152 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: And the follow up to this is, somehow this is 153 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: really going to energize Democrats. That that might be the 154 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. It isn't going 155 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: to energize democrats. Trump hate energizes democrats, not policy, Trump hat, 156 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: not economics, Trump hat. That's the whole thing. If Republicans 157 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: don't redistrict. Do you think Democrats are going to like you? 158 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: You think they're going to vote for you if you 159 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: don't in the state of Indiana vote for redistricting Republicans. 160 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: Do you think any Democrats going to think, well, finally, 161 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: he's not Hitler. You don't believe that, do you. 162 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: You don't actually believe that you will be loved, do you? 163 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: They might? 164 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: And Republicans seem to be concerned about this idea that 165 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: it will energize democrats. Maybe you should be more concerned 166 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: about energizing Republicans and independents and moderates and the people 167 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: in your state economic success, lower taxes, expanding education to 168 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: the trades. Put out your vision, execute on the vision, 169 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: succeed and show your success, show your work, and tell 170 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: your story. You're so worried about making a move because 171 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: the other guy's going to get angry. You're not making 172 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: enough moves to show all the people in your state 173 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: what a good job you're doing. And you're sure as 174 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: hell aren't selling it. You're not you know it, I 175 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: know it, we all know it. Let's not kid each other. 176 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: That's the whole point of this. Let's not lie. You 177 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: win by being bold and engaging policy that helps all 178 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: the people of your state. So the idea that, well, 179 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: we're not going to vote for this because we will 180 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: energize democrats is a weak response, is a childish response, 181 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: is a fear based response, and says to me, you 182 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: shouldn't be a representative of mine. 183 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: Know how. 184 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 4: Finally, let's talk about the why. What is the value 185 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 4: of redistricting, Tony, What is it that we win we're 186 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: playing on. 187 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: This federal level. 188 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: I would argue that your state legislature has a responsibility 189 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: to the nation. 190 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: I oppose the direct election of senators, and if you 191 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: know me at all, you know that I always have. 192 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: The direct election of senators took place in nineteen thirteen 193 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: the seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. I have 194 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: always always opposed this. 195 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: I'll read it. 196 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: By the way, The Senate of the United States shall 197 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: be composed of two senators from each state, elected by 198 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: the people thereof for six years, and each senator shall 199 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: have one vote. Senators used to be selected by the 200 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: state legislature, therefore more responsive to the state and not 201 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: as responsive. 202 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: To the whims of the people. 203 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: It was a purposeful decision by the founders that the representative, 204 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: thus being having more of them, they would therefore be 205 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: closer to the people, closer to their needs, closer to 206 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: their wants, and yes, more able to move and rise 207 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: with the temperature that they're creating. They're hot about a subject, 208 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: their representatis is going to talk about it. The Senate 209 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: often referred to, I think kind of weirdly as the 210 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: cooling saucer for the people who want to use that argument. 211 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: Was there to engage debate, the world's most deliberative body, 212 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: not to be moved moved by the whims. Well, you 213 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: have the direct election of senators. They're moved by whims. 214 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: It was a mistake and it took away states' rights. 215 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: This is your right, and you have a national responsibility. 216 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: You have a national responsibility to look at what's going 217 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: on around the country, how other states are acting and 218 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: reacting and ensure if anything, I don't know survival. And 219 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: you say to me, well, that's just a power grab. 220 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: And now we come back to it. All politics is 221 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: a power grab. Politics is power. Why are we pretending 222 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: somehow it isn't. Democrats don't have an issue with power, 223 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: and they don't care if you like it. They have 224 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: said so they want to pack the court. I've got 225 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: candidates for offits talking about it. I've got the former 226 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: attorney general talking about it. They use the power to 227 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: impeach Trump twice over nonsense. They couldn't even get the 228 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: second impeatrient right, they have no problem utilizing the power. 229 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: A power grab, kitten, All politics is a power grab. 230 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: Let's grow up. Let's be people who are honest. 231 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: Republicans in the state of Indiana. At least they won 232 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,479 Speaker 2: and they can use their power to engage a legal process, 233 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: and if the voters have issue, the voters can respond 234 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: in their local elections. I can think of nothing more 235 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: conservative than that, nothing more American than that. 236 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: I believe we should redistrict. 237 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: And I think the arguments against are absolute bunk, childlike, 238 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: pablem unsirious. Doesn't mean I'm going to win the fights, 239 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: but I wanted to make sure I was clear about 240 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: the position. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.