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Speaker 1: Line from val Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: It is a strikedown of tariffs, a huge loss for

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: That's how it's gonna get played. And we should be

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Speaker 3: clear it's a loss.

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Speaker 2: It is a six to three decision from the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court saying that the iee PA cannot be utilized. It

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Speaker 2: does not authorize the president to impose tariffs of unlimited

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Speaker 2: duration and unlimited amount. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good

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Speaker 2: to be here, Good to be with you. William Jacobson

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Speaker 2: joins me right now, Cornell Law, professor of the mind

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Speaker 2: behind Legal insurrection dot com. You're already to the writing,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and here is the story. Supreme Court strikes

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Speaker 2: down Trump's tariffs. Let's walk through this about what is

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Speaker 2: the iee PA and.

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Speaker 3: What the six to three decision actually says.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Supreme Court decision came down about an hour ago.

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Speaker 4: It's when you add the majority decision and all the dissents.

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Speaker 4: I think it's one hundred and twenty two pages, So

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Speaker 4: I can't say that I have scrutinized every line in it,

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Speaker 4: and essentially what Justice Chief Justice Roberts, joined by the

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Speaker 4: three liberals plus the two so called conservatives, Cony, Barrett,

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Speaker 4: and Gorsich, found that imposing tariffs was not one of

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Speaker 4: the remedies allowed under the emergency statute that otherwise allows

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Speaker 4: the president to regulate importation. And that's the key phrase,

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Speaker 4: regulate importation. And the question was what does that mean?

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Speaker 4: And it's not one hundred percent clear, but they held

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Speaker 4: which argues otherwise. And I'm happy to talk about that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, one of the startling things during the

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Speaker 4: oral arguments when this took place is everybody agreed that

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Speaker 4: this statute to regulate importation would allow Donald Trump to

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Speaker 4: completely bar imports from a particular country. And the argument was, well,

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Speaker 4: if he can bar all imports from China, can he

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court held, apparently, no, he can't. And that's

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Speaker 4: where Kavanaugh picked up how nonsensical. This is how nonsensic

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Speaker 4: the reading of the regulation is.

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Speaker 2: So we should be clear that this is about a

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Speaker 2: specific piece of legislation, the iee PA, which is the

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Speaker 2: International Emergency Economic Powers Act. This isn't a conversation of

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Speaker 2: whether or not tariffs can be implemented. It's not the

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Speaker 2: President was saying, this is the law, the rule that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to utilize in this case, not even necessarily

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Speaker 4: We have to be very clear that this is not

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Speaker 4: a policy argument. I think the policy is hovering over

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Speaker 4: it would be completely consistent to say I don't like

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Speaker 4: these tariffs. I feel they are an unnecessary cost passed

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Speaker 4: and the question here is under this specific law passed

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Speaker 4: by Congress, does the president's power to quote regulate importation

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Speaker 4: The three dissenters says it does because historically Richard Nixon

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Speaker 4: And so Kavanaugh, I think said, and I don't think

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Speaker 4: And so that's it's a strangest I can't help but

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Speaker 2: Talking to William Jacobson, Cornell Law, professor of the mind

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Speaker 2: behind legal insurrection dot com. And it is this idea

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Speaker 2: that the president has the ability.

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Speaker 3: To regulate, and the i e. P.

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Speaker 2: A Says that these emergency powers can be utilized to regulate,

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Speaker 2: but regulate does not mean a tariff. And as we've seen,

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Speaker 2: we've got these other avenues that the president can explore.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get more into those.

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Speaker 2: But you bring up Justice Kavanaugh, who is part of

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Speaker 2: question of where's Tanji Brown Jackson or where Sonya Sono Mayo.

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Speaker 2: I always consider to be a little more of a

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Speaker 3: Man, we really misread these people.

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Speaker 2: Certainly we misread John Roberts, and that's been a long

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Speaker 2: Gorsich on conservative bonafides on their constitutional bonafides in doing so,

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Speaker 4: Think they're honest people who hold their views and try

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Speaker 4: sure we really. Do and it's it's always been that.

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Speaker 4: so you can't win them, all which is, crazy.

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Speaker 2: Right they're gonna love this decision and still hate The

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Speaker 2: all the. Rest by the, way can we discuss How

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Speaker 2: trump is the worst dictator and authoritarian in the world

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Speaker 2: because you know he's going to go along with what.

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Speaker 3: Happened they're going to figure out another. Way AND i

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Speaker 2: legal insurrection dot. Com but let's get into This kavanaugh

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Speaker 2: descent as you're talking about, it because you wrote about

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Speaker 2: is basically saying about this very concept of regulate via

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Speaker 2: if regulate MEANS i don't have to allow the products

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Speaker 2: Product this Is kavanaugh's arguments to the majority in the court,

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Speaker 4: Here that's, right and that again was discussed at great

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Speaker 4: Syndrome it's about twenty twenty six mid. Terms it's about

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight presidential. Election the authority, Authoritarian No King's

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Speaker 4: day is complete. Nonsense who is the president who did

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Speaker 4: actually disregard A Supreme court Ruling Joe biden on student

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Speaker 4: so it's complete. Nonsense trump will obey this like he

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Speaker 4: has obeyed Every Supreme court, order whether they're for him

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Speaker 4: or against. Him and in, fact he doesn't openly defy

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Speaker 4: any court orders as much as some of his supporters

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Speaker 4: push him to do. It the thumb's nose of the federal,

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Speaker 4: judiciary particularly the district, courts which in many cases have

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Speaker 4: gone off the rails, completely you, know With trump derangement.

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Speaker 4: Syndrome he doesn't do. That he doesn't do. That it's

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Speaker 4: a complete. FABRICATION i don't know if they believe. IT

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Speaker 4: postings of high school, friends a lot of liberals have

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Speaker 4: completely bought into this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff it's.

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Speaker 4: Insane So trump will find another way to get done

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Speaker 4: what he wants to get. Done but there's no question

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Speaker 4: this is a big blow to him because he was

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Speaker 4: using the tariffs as a lesser remedy rather than cutting

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Speaker 4: off trade to enforce his foreign.

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Speaker 3: Policy by the.

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Speaker 2: Way Susan rice was The National Security advisor Under Barack,

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Speaker 2: obama and she did refer to If democrats, win they

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Speaker 2: will enact an accountability.

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Speaker 3: Agenda that was the exact wording that she.

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Speaker 2: Used William, Jacobson Cornell law, Professor legal insurrection dot, COM

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Speaker 2: i appreciate you taking the time to be with.

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Speaker 3: Us more is coming.

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Speaker 2: Up I'm Tony, katz and this Is Tony katz today