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Speaker 1: now on the program. Hi, Mike, how are you great?

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Speaker 2: Jake?

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Speaker 1: How are you? You know what it's I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: It's a great time of year. We've kind of made it,

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Speaker 1: if you were to look at teams that you're slotting

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Speaker 2: my one seed line has been has been on autopilot

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Speaker 2: Now that Yukon couldn't handle it out at Creyton, Because

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean, I don't mean anything to necessarily

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the Big Ten. Mike. Of course,

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Speaker 2: It's why is that a big deal? Now? Like I'm

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Speaker 1: real quick. And before we talk about Purdue Indiana produced specifically.

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Speaker 1: I think any broadcast that involves a reference to Omar

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time as always, Mike again. TSN Mike

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Speaker 1: Now. The thing to me, James, that I talked about

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Speaker 1: think the teams like like the Colts do, do James,

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Speaker 1: they do do an Indiana Knights, you know sub theme, right,

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Speaker 1: they do do like a marketing campaign around like the

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Speaker 1: Indiana aspect of it does that is that a concerted

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Speaker 1: effort of being able to say, don't kid yourself, it's

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Speaker 1: still our state.

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Speaker 4: I do think though to a certain degree. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you've been here since nineteen eighty four, so why wouldn't

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Speaker 4: you claim the entire state of yours? But the reality

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Speaker 4: is that when you're in a different time zone, you're

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Speaker 4: most likely not going to be fans of that team.

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Speaker 4: And that's just as real as I can put it. Man,

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Speaker 4: when you can drive across. I mean, I worked in

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Speaker 4: that region for a long time, and off with Indiana.

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Speaker 4: When you can drive from ham into Chicago in the

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Speaker 4: same time that it would take to go from here

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Speaker 4: to Bloomington even less, I mean, it is what it is,

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Speaker 4: and so I'm very curious to see again how concrete

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Speaker 4: all of this becomes. And like most of us, when

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Speaker 4: did they put a sub on the ground. When did

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Speaker 4: someone put a sub on the ground and say this

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Speaker 4: is what we're building.

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Speaker 1: And what's it going to cost the taxpayers of Indiana?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's my questions.

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Speaker 4: Great, that's the part I keep it skipping over.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it ain't free. Okay, James, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the combine that's upcoming. Obviously the Colts no first

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Speaker 1: round pick this year or next. We'll begin with this.

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Speaker 1: Is there a position room or player that would tempt

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard into trying to find his way back into

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Speaker 1: Round one?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question. I thought about this and maybe,

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Speaker 4: and I probably wouldn't do it because you're trying to,

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Speaker 4: I guess, build on what you had last year, so

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Speaker 4: you don't want to change too much. But you know,

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Speaker 4: could you look at someone like Quentin Nelson for example,

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Speaker 4: who's been a perennial all you know, perennial pro bowler,

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Speaker 4: perennial all pro. And would someone want a first round

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Speaker 4: pick for this guy? I don't know if he would

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Speaker 4: even fetch that as a left guard. But is it him?

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Speaker 4: Is it the Forest Buckner? He come off the neck injury,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know if he will get the fretch

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Speaker 4: first round pick. But is there a veteran that you

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Speaker 4: love that has produced that you would think about trying

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Speaker 4: to swing a trade to get a first round pick,

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Speaker 4: because that is something that you at least have to

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Speaker 4: inquire about. But I don't think it's very feasible, Jake,

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Speaker 4: just because in a sense they've decided to run it back,

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Speaker 4: and so I don't see offensively at least making a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of changes to that side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at defensives, defensively, the only player

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Speaker 4: that's worth the first round pick when healthy is the

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Speaker 4: Forest Buckner. And he's not healthy, so he get some

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Speaker 4: position to be in.

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Speaker 1: James, do you believe that Fernando Mendoza in any game?

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Speaker 1: You know? We just heard from Mel Kuiper. We played

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Speaker 1: some audio from Mel Kuiper on this. But but I

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Speaker 1: want your thought. Do you think that that Brenanda Mendoza

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Speaker 1: is going to be the number one pick because he

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Speaker 1: is a can't miss quarterback prospect? Or does he happen

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Speaker 1: to simply be the loan quarterback prospect and the Raiders

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Speaker 1: need a quarterback and he's the one guy that's NFL worthy,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean number one overall pick worthy in

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Speaker 1: most years.

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Speaker 4: I think the latter. I think he's a very good player,

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Speaker 4: and I actually think that he played better as the

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Speaker 4: season went on, and he made a lot of NFL

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Speaker 4: type throws and I was watching them throughout their National

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Speaker 4: championship run. But yeah, this was the Caleb Williams draft.

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Speaker 4: This where the year that Drake may or Jays Daniels

502
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Speaker 4: and those old guys are coming out. And perhaps he

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Speaker 4: isn't the number one overall pick. But what helps random

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Speaker 4: and knows it is that he does have a size.

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Speaker 4: He's a very smart player. Like I said, he can

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Speaker 4: make every throw. It's just a matter of being can't miss.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a hard label to put on a guy

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Speaker 4: when you have had prospects in recent years, like you know,

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, and others who I believe are more in

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Speaker 4: that category. But he's himself very well and the Raiders,

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Speaker 4: I mean, they can't afford to pass on him by

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Speaker 4: any means, and so I think it's a formality that

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Speaker 4: he will be the number one pick, and at this

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Speaker 4: point when he comes to the Indiana Convinceent Center here

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Speaker 4: in a couple of days, that'll be the extent I

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Speaker 4: believe of his pre draft stuff. I don't expect him

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Speaker 4: to do any on field work, only at his pro day,

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Speaker 4: because he's proved enough for himself. And honestly, the only

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Speaker 4: thing that can happen to me is this stock goes

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Speaker 4: down if he perform badly throwing the ball. But he

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Speaker 4: wouldn't do that anyway.

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Speaker 1: James Boyd my guest Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you hear him on the Morning show. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Holder,

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Speaker 1: but in a little bit of a variation. James, you're ready.

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Speaker 1: It's it's late October, early November, and you are sitting

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Speaker 1: there on a Sunday night, getting ready for your Monday show,

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Speaker 1: and you're looking over the highlights of the NFL that

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Speaker 1: week and in the highlights you see that Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: has thrown his first touchdown pass of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six NFL season. What color jersey is he wearing?

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Speaker 2: Purple?

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Speaker 4: For the Vikings. I think they're in a unique situation

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Speaker 4: where they can't trust jjim mc. He had an abysmal

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Speaker 4: first season in the NFL, and I think they should

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Speaker 4: definitely try to look at other options this year, one

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Speaker 4: of them being Daniel Jones potentially in free agency. And

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Speaker 4: if not, you know, could you swing a tray for

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Speaker 4: someone like Anthony Richardson, who Kevin O'Connell, their coach, so

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Speaker 4: very highly of after he got benched a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago, And is that somebody they been willing to

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Speaker 4: take a swing on just to see, Okay, he still

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Speaker 4: got the physical talent, can he be something for my

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Speaker 4: team that you know hasn't had an answer at quarterback?

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Speaker 4: So that to me is the most realistic scenario. But

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Speaker 4: even then, I still think Anthony, with his eye and

547
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Speaker 4: things like that, I'm very curious to where he's at

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Speaker 4: in that process, which is why I can't wait to

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Speaker 4: talk to Chris Ballard next week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last thing, because I know you got to run. James.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Daniel Jones, and this is what's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I think that we all just assumed that it's a

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Speaker 1: slam dunk in. Daniel Jones has no interest in talking

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Speaker 1: to anybody else but the Colts. How do we know

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Speaker 1: that Minnesota, where there is familiarity? He was there, He

556
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Speaker 1: knows their doctors, knows their quarterback room, knows their staff

557
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Speaker 1: and the assistant GM used to be in Indianapolis. And

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Speaker 1: probably there's no love loss with Chris Ballard. What it

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Speaker 1: would do to Indianapolis if Daniel Jones was to sign

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. How do we know the Vikings are not

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Speaker 1: going to make him a blockbuster deal?

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Speaker 4: We don't. But I think that hesitancy there is. He's

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Speaker 4: coming off the Achilles injury. Jeck, if you were asking

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Speaker 4: me this same question and he had stayed healthy even

565
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Speaker 4: they had made the playoff, but just stayed healthy, then

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Speaker 4: maybe that's a bigger conversation. But yeah, I would say

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Speaker 4: that the Colts are more in love with Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: than he is with them. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 4: means that he doesn't want to come back, but when

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Speaker 4: hearing from Chris Ballard, he's saying, oh, he's our sore

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Speaker 4: and lostarm answer at quarterback, whereas we're talking with Daniel

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Speaker 4: at the end of the year, he's like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: liked my time here. I'd love to come back, but

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Speaker 4: I'll have a representation and have everything else. So I

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Speaker 4: think he'd be very smart too, at least, you know,

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Speaker 4: try to drive the price up in his market by

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Speaker 4: saying I have other suitors, and I think that in

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Speaker 4: this scenario is desperate. The vikings might be he could

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Speaker 4: seriously have another suitor that could change jectory of his

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Speaker 4: offseing a little bit. So it'll be very interest in

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Speaker 4: see what the Colts do, because as you know, Jake

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Speaker 4: go and tag one player in theory him or Alex Peers,

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Speaker 4: and I would lean toward Alex Peers, but that doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean that it's for certain and think it's all to

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Speaker 4: be back until he signed it that line, I.

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Speaker 1: Would lean towards Alec Pierce because the number that he

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Speaker 1: would get with a franchise Tag is more realistic of

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Speaker 1: the number that he would get anyway with a contract,

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Speaker 1: whereas Jones you'd be way overpaying, albeit for one year.

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Speaker 1: James will be of course with the guys tomorrow morning

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Speaker 1: on the Fan Morning Show, and then the combine will

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Speaker 1: get into full swing. They'll have it all covered as well.

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Speaker 1: James appreciate it, man, thank you, you have a good one.

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Speaker 1: James Boyd joining us on the Java House Colebrew Coffee

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Speaker 1: guest line, Pacers in Action tonight taking on the Wizards

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Speaker 1: in our Nation's Capital. Same for tomorrow night. But the

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Speaker 1: question becomes who's in and who's out and who made

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Speaker 1: the field trip if you will, because let's say Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: East joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line.

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Speaker 1: Tony of course with locked on Pacers Forbes a number

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Speaker 1: of different places where you can see and hear his work.

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Speaker 1: He is in Washington, d C. Tony, did you go

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Speaker 1: to DC when you were a kid on any sort

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Speaker 1: of a school trip. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that was a rare nun had experience for me

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Speaker 3: until I was like twenty two years old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the I went in the eighth grade, and

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Speaker 1: I remember going to the Smithsonian and all we heard

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Speaker 1: about was the world's largest diamond, Hope diamond, and I,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, I thought that it was going to

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Speaker 1: be the size of like a billboard. Then we got there,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it. It's ridiculous. It was very disappointed,

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Speaker 1: but I remember vividly being on the field trip. So

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know this what PACER players may not

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Speaker 1: be on any field trips they have because they maybe

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Speaker 1: didn't even make the trip. Are there any that definitively

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Speaker 1: we can say didn't even make the trip for this.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even come out? I mean, we'll see about the

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Speaker 3: guys who were for sure not playing Zubots time up

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Speaker 3: in Furfee Halburn not going to play out here at all.

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Speaker 3: They've been coming outside of Zubots, who we don't know

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Speaker 3: much about what his travel situation will be, just had

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Speaker 3: a kid. All the rest of those guys have been traveling,

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Speaker 3: but Furfee was already in New York for their game's

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Speaker 3: pre All Star break because that's where his you know,

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Speaker 3: acl e Val is, so who knows if he'll be here.

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Speaker 3: And then the obvious other guy you wonder about is

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Speaker 3: Paskal Yakam, who's listed it out tonight's game for personal reasons.

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Speaker 3: I won't speculate as to what that is, but you know,

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Speaker 3: if it's something that will not be resolved by the

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Speaker 3: end of today, you wonder if he'll even be out

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Speaker 3: here for the second game of this. It is a

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Speaker 3: back to back, right, and there's some obvious reasons to

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Speaker 3: play him. There's some obvious reasons to not, as the

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Speaker 3: Pacers who were fined for his non participation in a

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Speaker 3: recent game. So the length of his absence will of

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Speaker 3: course be very nowherey regardless of if he plays tomorrow

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Speaker 3: or not.

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Speaker 1: Tonya, I'm gonna show my cynicism here, okay. And I

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Speaker 1: say this actually in defense of or support of the Pacers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But when you hear that, and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: diminish or dismiss the possibility that there's something you know

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Speaker 1: that Pascal Siaka may have a personal reason, you could have,

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody in the families ill who knows, right,

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Speaker 1: But if the Pacers already have gotten a slap on

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Speaker 1: the wrist from the NBA about their decision or rotation

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Speaker 1: of injury or not playing players that are perceived to

648
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Speaker 1: be available, is this the safest way to just say, fine,

649
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Speaker 1: then we'll just make it personal. Come and get us

650
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Speaker 1: now if you'd like. You know what I mean? Does

651
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Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I get what you're asking. And the thing about the

653
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Speaker 3: player Participation policy is there is a line about like

654
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Speaker 3: what counts as excused, you know, guy away from gaming,

655
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Speaker 3: there is I'm going to look up the line where

656
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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you, but there is something about personal

657
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Speaker 3: reasons in there. Yeah, if a star player has a

658
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Speaker 3: bona fide personal reason for the absence, well they won't

659
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Speaker 3: have The review is like actual non participation in the game.

660
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Speaker 3: It's insane that something called the player participation policy even exists,

661
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Speaker 3: by the way, But if he has a legitimate reason,

662
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Speaker 3: or one the NBA deems to be legitimate, then there's

663
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Speaker 3: no issue with this. There's nothing that he can do

664
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Speaker 3: about it. The Pacers can't be.

665
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Speaker 4: Fine for it.

666
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Speaker 3: So again, we'll need to hear more from Carlisle and

667
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Speaker 3: perhaps Jackham to know more about how long this will

668
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Speaker 3: be or what it really means. And they don't have

669
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Speaker 3: to share its personal reasons, obviously, but that is of

670
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Speaker 3: course a way to say, Okay, this is not this

671
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Speaker 3: is no longer a violation.

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Speaker 1: It can't be by the rules. Tony East is my guest.

673
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Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. All right, Tony.

674
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Speaker 1: So here's the bottom line. I thought Kevin Pritchard was

675
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Speaker 1: you know, he was. I'm not gonna say out of

676
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Speaker 1: character because you know, he's known to be on social

677
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Speaker 1: media from time to time, but he was very interactive

678
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Speaker 1: on social media in the last few days, notably in

679
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Speaker 1: responding to or inquiring about some of Mark Cuban's posts

680
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Speaker 1: regarding tanking. Did you get a chance to kind of

681
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Speaker 1: sip through that in and gauge where the Pacers are

682
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Speaker 1: coming from or there I guess approach to all of

683
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Speaker 1: this since they were fined.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I read some of them, and I found it

685
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Speaker 3: interesting that he was kind of surveying the you know,

686
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: competing thoughts of like, look, every even fans who want

687
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 3: every the Pacers to win every single game they suit

688
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: up for, recognize the benefits of this draft and the Pacers'

689
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: current situation. Like if they won and with the Bulls

690
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: current record and they're the tenth worst team, I think

691
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Speaker 3: if Pachers have to win like eighteen games in a row,

692
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: they have the same win percentage and they have fifteen

693
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: wins total, right, they're not gonna play in the postseason.

694
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Speaker 3: And then Johnny Purpy's injury just happened. And that's even

695
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Speaker 3: if you are again a win every game kind of person.

696
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Speaker 3: You recognize the risk of that you don't want to

697
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Speaker 3: damage next season when Tyry s Talbert is back. So

698
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: everyone recognizes the need for reducing minutes on the high

699
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Speaker 3: minute guys or the starters for next year and being

700
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Speaker 3: long term cautious with them and figuring it all out.

701
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Speaker 3: And they've been doing that this year, right the back

702
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: to backs have been already that kind of situation. So

703
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Speaker 3: I understand why why KP was saying things like asking,

704
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Speaker 3: you know, hey, what do people think of this, like

705
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Speaker 3: we might have to do some of these minutes things.

706
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: It's a prudent thing for them to do, Like it

707
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Speaker 3: objectively is it's not even subjective anymore. But he also

708
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Speaker 3: included I thought this was interesting in his replyted Dustin

709
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Speaker 3: do Pirek about remembering when he went to a game

710
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Speaker 3: as a kid and the players and the star players

711
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Speaker 3: in particular that he saw that made him want to

712
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Speaker 3: pursue basketball as his life. And star players are the

713
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Speaker 3: ones that people want to see, right, so they have

714
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Speaker 3: the balance of like I think right now, I did

715
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Speaker 3: this list last night on my own podcast, Trey Young,

716
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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis, Jaron Jackson, De Monte sabonis, Ce Colovine, John Morantz,

717
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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving. All these guys on the bottom eight teams are.

718
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Speaker 1: Out except for Siakam.

719
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Speaker 3: He's playing for the Pacers, so they probably have the

720
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Speaker 3: best player and best team of these bottom eight teams.

721
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Speaker 3: So how they manage to do what is best for

722
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Speaker 3: them now and the rest of the season and for

723
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Speaker 3: next year while also recognizing the importance of the draft

724
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 3: is maybe the biggest storyline for the rest of the season.

725
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Speaker 3: And I think Kevin was kind of exploring both sides

726
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: of the thinking there and kind of explaining, like maybe

727
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: not explaining. He didn't outright say what he thought they

728
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: should do or anything like that, although he did talk

729
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: about their future draft picks and what could happen if

730
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Speaker 3: they lose the pick this year, what could or should

731
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: happen for them the rest of the way, and kind

732
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Speaker 3: of feeling out the fan base his thoughts on it.

733
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Speaker 3: And I thought it was very interesting to see him

734
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Speaker 3: replying to a lot of people. He was very clearly

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Speaker 3: reading all the replies, which I really respect.

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Speaker 1: I really respect that you anticipate seeing the debut of

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Speaker 1: Zubats as a pacer win.

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Speaker 3: Great question, I would I mean Carlisle said that two

739
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Speaker 3: days ago what the two days ago, that he and

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Speaker 3: Toppen are still a while away. I do think they

741
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: want both of those guys to play this season at

742
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Speaker 3: some point, specifically when I don't have a great deal

743
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: for that. I will say, like we could see them

744
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: a brief moments of the last two practices in normal

745
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: jerseys and not just like standing off to the side

746
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: or in green or anything like that, which is like

747
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: a you know, a third unit guy, And so they

748
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: might be like, I don't think they're full participants by

749
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: any measure. And when we were talking to Andrew Nemhart,

750
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: he said something like he got a few live reps

751
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: in with Zubots, but not the full amount. So I

752
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: think they're a progressing tour playing. Jack bu Cannon told

753
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: me that the plan is to play them at some

754
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: point this season. But what is the right time is

755
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: a good question. How many games is a good question.

756
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: I just estimate, like early March they have a couple

757
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: of home games in a row before going on the

758
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Speaker 3: road trip. Maybe Zubats wants to play in LA against

759
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 3: the Clippers that's on March fourth, right, something in that

760
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: range right now makes some sense. To me, but a

761
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: while might mean more than that, and we'll see when

762
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: this actually comes to what makes the most sense for

763
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Speaker 3: them to do. And if they play their every game

764
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: the rest of the way after they return, or if

765
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: they just play a few, get their sea legs, you

766
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: know they fit in the new environment, and then okay,

767
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: you know, focus on what needs to be focused on

768
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: That is the voice of Tony East. He's on the

770
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Get a reminder

771
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: use the app, the Java House app, download it and

772
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: when you pre order your beverages and or from any

773
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: of the brick and mortar locations, then you're gonna get

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: twenty five percent off with the code Jake twenty five Tony. Lastly,

775
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: as we start, and I know it sounds weird to

776
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: say the second half of the season because you know

777
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: they've played more than that, but coming off the All

778
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Star breakdow, is there realistically anything left to learn for

779
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: the Pacers or is this a matter of simply playing

780
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: out the games and then seeing where the chips fall

781
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: in terms of personnel.

782
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: That is, yeah, the personnel part, well, it'll certainly be

783
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: more learned in the summer, but you know, it's not nothing.

784
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: For example, whether or not they do get a draft

785
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: pick in the first round this year, It's very possible

786
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: to me that some combination of Ben Shepherd, Jarris Walker

787
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: and Quinton Jackson are like fighting for a rotation spot

788
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: next year. Anything they can prove the rest of the

789
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: season will of course be valuable in their pursuit to

790
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: be a part of that, right, Like, I think that's

791
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: totally reasonable, And I think you also want to know

792
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: up here the paincer are some of these back end

793
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: guys like Rick Carlisle talked about some of their two

794
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: way guys see and then play a little more in coming,

795
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 3: you know down the stretch Easton Thompson and Peter cam

796
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: Jones and Michael Potter, that group that didn't play much

797
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: when the Pacers were you know, Potter played a good amount,

798
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: but didn't play it a ton for the Pacers while

799
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: they were you know, on this bitch stretch recently, Like

800
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Speaker 3: can are they in the mix for like back end

801
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: of the second unit next year? Are they going to

802
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: be development projects still? Should they even be on the team? Right,

803
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: these are things that they need to figure out about

804
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: those guys too, because their contractors are cheap, and if

805
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: you have chieved good players, that's very important. So figuring

806
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: out what they are and what they can do is

807
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 3: also part of this. And so there's some development to

808
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: learn about a lot of guys, and you also want

809
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: to see them in contexts of playing with the team's

810
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: best players, like learning about Furpy and Tiakam together was

811
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: a big thing that happened this year. But how much

812
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: they can do that and still set them up for

813
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: success is a tricky balance to strike down the stretch.

814
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Speaker 3: So that's why I think they would say that they

815
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: would hope to learn in these final twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: You know, up the guys that you mentioned, the one

817
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Speaker 1: that what I watch and sometimes I fall in love

818
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: with with the play of a guy, and then I realized, like, yeah,

819
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: I was kind of played that guy's you know, there

820
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: was circumstantial and not in mainline stuff. But Potter to

821
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: me looks like a guy that there is going to

822
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Speaker 1: be a place for him. I mean, like tenth to

823
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: eleventh guy. Don't get me wrong, but I think he

824
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Speaker 1: is somebody that next year could still be in rotation.

825
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Speaker 3: You agree or disagree, No, I do agree, But they

826
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Speaker 3: just played New York in New York, and they started

827
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Speaker 3: him you go guard Carl towns Man, Like, you know,

828
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Speaker 3: he did a fine job in that game, and he's

829
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Speaker 3: probably at best competing to just stay on the team

830
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Speaker 3: as the third big and not pass Jay Huff as

831
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Speaker 3: the backup. But the thing that always strikes me about

832
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Speaker 3: him is like he may not be exceptional in any

833
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: one thing, but he doesn't stink at any skill that

834
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: is asked of him or centers in the NBA. Like,

835
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: he can move pretty well, he can shoot well enough,

836
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't hold the ball for very long by all

837
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: that stuff that really matters for the Pacers and makes.

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Speaker 2: Him a good fit.

839
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Speaker 3: He does it every night, right, so he'll certainly emanual.

840
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: He miss the shots and makes some defensive mistakes and

841
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: things like that. This is his first in or contract ever.

842
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree that he's looked at least intriguing

843
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: for the role he's auditioning for and the role he

844
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 3: currently has, and with Zoo Bots out he's gonna play.

845
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: He's played some four too, like that versatility matter, So

846
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Speaker 3: I agree that he's looked interesting and will continue to

847
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: get chances to do so.

848
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Speaker 1: I'd imagine, you know, Eddie that's kind of like this show.

849
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Speaker 1: That should be the new mantra for this show. We'd

850
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: like to say educate and entertained, but the reality is this,

851
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: this is the show that we don't do anything really well,

852
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: but we overall don't have an area where we suck.

853
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Speaker 1: That's basically it. Right here we go. I like that.

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: That's the new motto for the show, courtesy of Tony's.

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Speaker 3: Say about something when you say it about something else,

856
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, am I being insulting?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to say it as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: No, I took that as a compliment, and on this

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Speaker 1: show I would take it as a compliment too. Nothing

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Speaker 1: I do really well, but I don't suck anywhere either,

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? All right, Tony, enjoy. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be there obviously for both games Pacers whiz right.

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Speaker 1: I will.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing you guys did poorly today was

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Speaker 3: the guest you guys had on at two thirty I

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Speaker 3: would say.

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Speaker 1: Technically it was two thirty four, I think, So you're safe, right,

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, appreciate it. Go enjoy, Go walk around

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Speaker 1: the mall and enjoy all of the fabulous things that Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC has to offer. It is a fabulous city. A

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Speaker 1: question about it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, I sure well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Tony East joining us on the program.