1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: I have stated that I'm going to write a book. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm terrible as a writer. I'm off I can write 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: about berban I can write about barbecue. Yeah, that's easy. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't easy. But to write politically, I just find 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: I start writing and then I'm like, I don't want 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: to read this, and then I stop and like, I 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: think I have three or four books that I've started 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: four chapters on. I'm like, Okay, we're done here, Tony Katz, 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. But the 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: new book is going to be Why is it so 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: hard to be normal? Why can't people just be normal? 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: It's constant and consistent in every part of our politics. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Ed Morrissey joins me, right now, he's normal kind of 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: from hotair dot com is where you find him. I've 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: got three things to discuss in a conversation of normal, 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: and we're going to start with the Olympics, because the 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: US Olympic Committee, as you tell the story, has very quietly, 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's Elmer Fudd'd be very very quiet with 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: telling the twoof That was impressive. You gotta admit it 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: was nice. I was good. They are going to stop 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: having male athletes in female sports? Is this so we 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: can be normal? We have now gone through this entire 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: world of insanity of somehow men are women and women 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: are men when that is not the case, and enough 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: pushback has occurred where we're stopping the insanity. Is that 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: what we're seeing? 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's what we're seeing now. They didn't 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: make an announcement of this. They just put it up 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: on the website and people caught up to it right 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: The New York Times had to actually contact them to 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: see if it was legit, and they said yes, we'd 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: had what was it, respectful and productive conversations with the administration. 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: The US Olympic and Paralympic Committee is federally charted, so 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: they kind of have to follow federal policies when it 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: comes to how they operate. So they have been negotia, 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: I guess, for the last few months with the Trump 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: administration and have decided that they're going to come out 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: in favor of what athletics had been prior to you know, 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty nineteen or twenty twenty one, whatever 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: it was, when they started allowing biological males to compete 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: in female spaces. Literally, what we've done for tens of 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: thousands of years until woke arrived and decided that there's 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: no such thing as truth, there's no such thing as reality. 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: We can be whoever we want to be, and everybody 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: else has to play along with our delusions. That finally 46 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: seems to be coming to an end. Now, remember this 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: comes just one year after watching a male boxer beat 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: the living crap out of a female in the ring 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: in the Summer Olympics last year in France, I mean, 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: and it shocked people that they allowed this to take place. 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: And the boxer in question said, well, you know, my 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: gender is in my sex is indeterminate. No, it's not. 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: He's a male. He's fighting in female spaces. And it 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: was clear to everybody watching this thing. And he ends 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: up getting a medal because the next female boxer who 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: was going to go up against him had to withdraw. 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: She was she was intimidated out of competing because this 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: could do serious permanent damage, not just in the sense 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: that boxing is there's always a risk of that in boxing, 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: it was a much higher risk when you put men 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: in against women. And the reason why is because men 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: have biological advantages over women in terms of strength in 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: terms of muscle mass, in terms of bone density, in 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: terms of punching power in this particular sport. So this 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: is that was just insanity. So I think in part 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: the USOPC is reacting to what happened last year in 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: the outrage that it that it created, I think, but 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: also because also because the Trump administration is telling everybody 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: that the policy of this government is that there are 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: two sexes and men should not be in women's spaces not. 71 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: The follow up to that is, I wonder where the 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: carryover is. And that's the part where I'm seeing the normalcy. 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: I understand because the Olympics are Los Angeles twenty twenty eight. 74 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Let's see if they can even put on an Olympics. 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: They're in Los Angeles. But the wrinkle, isn't it a 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: massive wrinkle? Incredible incredible wrinkle, the kind of wrinkles Joan 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Rivers would have had if she hadn't found plastics. The 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: story is what happens in twenty thirty in twenty thirty 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: two with the Olympics. The carryover here, So am I 80 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: rushing to judgment on the idea of normal that the IOC, 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: which is, you know, never found a bribe. It didn't love. 82 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: It could be swayed to going back to oh sure 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: men could be women and whatever. We don't care. As 84 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: this Olympics moves to other nations. 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: It's a possibility. I mean, it may still even be 86 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: a possibility in Los Angeles. Right. This is the USOPC 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: may not be the controlling authority when it comes to 88 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: the Olympics in Los Angeles, it's still going to be 89 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: the IOC. Not to mention the fact that the you know, 90 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: the governance in Los Angeles, in California is part of 91 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: that whole radically woke, you know, activist stream that created 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: this situation in the first place. I mean, Gavin Newsom 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: finally admitted in March that it was deeply unfair to 94 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: have males competing against females in sports, and then proceeded 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: to do absolutely nothing about it. And it's still refusing 96 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: to do anything about it. Karen Bass is well, Karen 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: Bass is just Karen Bass, and she's going to have 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: problems anyway staging this Olympics, just simply because of the 99 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: law enforcement environment in Los Angeles, the tax environment in 100 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. They're hiking the minimum wage in Los Angeles 101 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: to a point where the hotels are now backing out 102 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: of the deals that they made to offer discounts for 103 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: Olympics travelers. So that's going to be a problem when 104 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: the Olympics arrived at in was it three years And 105 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily sure that they're going to pull this 106 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: off anyway. I'm still on a wait and see. I 107 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: was around for the eighty four Olympics. I was living 108 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. I'm a native Angelino and the city 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: did a marvelous job of pulling off of that particular olympiad. 110 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's going to be the cases 111 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: time around. And you got to think the IOC is 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: thinking the same thing. This might be an excuse for 113 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: them to relocate it. 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're going to relocate it 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: out of the United States. That's the question. Talking to 116 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: Ed Marscy of hotair dot com. So we don't know 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: if we have normalcy here. We certainly don't have a 118 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: normalcy in Late Night where Stephen Colbert after the announcement 119 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: that the CBS was getting rid of the entire Late 120 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: Night franchise, there was conversations about did the show lose 121 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: forty million dollars. Colbert first says, hey, thank you Tiffany Network. 122 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I love you so much, and then the next day says, oh, 123 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: by the way, you paid Trump sixteen million dollars. You 124 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: suck the settlement that took place because of the edited 125 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: video regarding Kamala Harris, to which CBS was completely and 126 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: totally in the wrong. Your argument, I've been discussing this. 127 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: I think that CBS should end the show immediately. Don't 128 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: let it drag on for ten months. The idea of 129 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: whether or not Colbert is going you into it is inconsequential. 130 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: End it and end it now. Your argument is that 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: this is the death of wit. Whether it's Colbert or 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: John Stewart and I have discussed things and around this. 133 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: You're saying that they're are the ones who are making 134 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: the case for Paramount, that there's no need for this 135 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: show anymore. Yeah. 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: I mean John Stewart's entire response to this on his show. 137 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: And this is also a Paramount show. It's on Comedy Central, 138 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: which is owned by Paramount. It used to be by 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: a comm now it's Paramount. Now it's gonna be sky 140 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: Dance apparently down the road, although they'll probably keep the 141 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: Paramount brand the same company though, and John Stewart goes 142 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: on the show and does a gospel song that is 143 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: entirely f You's theme. Those are the lyrics. 144 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh no, absolutely right, blank himself, go blank yourself, 145 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: go blank yourself, and the choirs behind them and everybody 146 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: is just having a good old time. Yeah. 147 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Well, John Stewart's having a good old time. Maybe that 148 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: small audience in front of him is having a good 149 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: old time. And that's the problem. The problem is that 150 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: Late Night has curated its audience down to the radical 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: activists that it's clearly pandering to, and has basically repelled 152 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: everybody else. That's the reason why the Late Show was 153 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: losing forty million dollars a year. The New York Times 154 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: had this last week. The Ankler had another piece on 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: it late last night, saying that CBS had actually communicated 156 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: or Paramount had actually communicated that they were going to 157 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: end the show to Colbert's agent prior to the settlement, 158 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: a few days prior to it becoming known. They'd already 159 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: made the decision, and it was a business decision. This 160 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: is the Godfather line. It's not personal, Sonny, it's strictly business. 161 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: And that's what this is. When you lose forty million 162 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: dollars a year because you've curated your audience down to 163 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 2: Antifa and your and your show million dollars a year, 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: you're not going to You're not going to survive very long. 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: And and to your point about you know why they're 166 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: letting this guy go on. There was a little tradition 167 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: of this in Late Night, right Johnny Carson got I 168 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 2: got a year, Jay Leno got a year. I think 169 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: David Letterman. 170 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Didn't get a year. Conan got nothing. 171 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Conan didn't get a year. But you know, you 172 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: and I have been in the broad in and around 173 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: the broadcast industry. People don't realize how unusual that is. 174 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: When you get when you lose your show, they've your 175 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: studio up, they put your stuff out in the box 176 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: on the sidewalk and said hope you have a good life. 177 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they don't give you even an hour to 178 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: go to your audience and say, well it's been it's 179 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: been real. And on the rare occasions that it has occurred, 180 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: almost always they live to regret it because what does 181 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: a host get up and do? Oh, I can't believe 182 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: this company's firing me, call in, call in, tell me 183 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 2: why you think that I'm great? The that's what That's 184 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: what Colbert is doing right now. It's predictable. 185 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Talking to Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com, there's there's 186 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: the story about how they have dismantled their audience. One 187 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: of the things not discussed is how all these late 188 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: night hosts clearly were in concert with one another. Never 189 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: to try and out do one another. Never try and 190 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: be too much. Doesn't matter who's number one, say the 191 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: same things and take the money. No interest in competition, 192 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: only an interest in the political ideology. Is it you? 193 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: It is my belief that this is the first of 194 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: the dominoes to fall in late night. Is their room? 195 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: Is their room for late night TV in today's America? 196 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: Not in the way it's structured right now. And I'll 197 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: tell you the only one that's actually working is Gutfeld. 198 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: And it's a different show, much different. You know. People say, well, 199 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: Gutfeld's doing it, and it's because he's conservative. No, Gutfeld 200 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: has a different show. He's got a panel show. Panel shows. 201 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: Panel shows work. First off, they're very low costs. And 202 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you got this, but I got 203 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: a pr email from Fox this week saying, oh, you know, 204 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: you know, Colbert has two hundred staffers and it costs 205 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: you know, one hundred million dollars a year to produce 206 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 2: the show. You know, Greg's only got twenty staff or 207 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: less than twenty staffers, and it costs you know, somewhere 208 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: in the eight figure or to me seven figure range 209 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: a year to produce that show. Yeah, you can do that. 210 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: I mean, the ad revenue should will support a show 211 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: like that. The problem with late night the other parts 212 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: of the late night genre is that people can get 213 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: stand up comedy riffs and celebrity fixes from social media 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: and YouTube. It's real easy. You don't need to go 215 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: you don't need to stay up till eleven thirty Eastern 216 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: time to watch this on Colbert or Kimmel or Fallon. 217 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: You just go to YouTube. You go to the start 218 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: the celebrities Instagram accounts and watch their reels and then 219 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: you know, click on YouTube's shorts to see you know, 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: various different comedians do their thing. You know, I'm kind 221 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: of addicted to Dave Chappelle's you know, comedy bits on YouTube. 222 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: He's great, So I don't need to tune in for that. 223 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: I can do that on my own time. 224 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: And certainly we are past the point where late night 225 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: makes a career. What made Johnny Carson's show beyond a 226 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: touchstone a cultural touchstone, is that careers were made or 227 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: broken based on the three minute set you did on 228 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson. Just being invited onto Johnny Carson meant you 229 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: were going to get booked. If you did well on 230 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson, you're going to be a headliner for six months. 231 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: If for some chance you got to sit down on 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: the couch, you had a career. It was done, it 233 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: was complete, and it was finished. And certainly that has 234 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: gone away in a world of YouTube. When we talk 235 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: about being normal, the normal late night host who looks 236 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: at the millions of dollars they're getting and the audience 237 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: that they have an opportunity to reach, says, how can 238 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: I reach then serve that audience best? In every case, 239 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: the late night host said no to that, I am 240 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: opposed to that, I am not interested in that, and 241 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: they brought about their own destruction. That's a weird thing 242 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: to see happen. It's very weird for somebody in show 243 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: business where the business parks is more important than the show. 244 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: It's weird for them to say, how do I self 245 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: immolate right here in front of everybody? How do I 246 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: end this? And the only thing I can come to 247 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: is that they the Late night host is in a 248 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: set of full belief that the people who the networks 249 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: are with them. This is what they want and there 250 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: would never be a moment where they were at risk. 251 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: Do they now make a change or is it too late? 252 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: The die is cast? 253 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: I think the die is cast, but I think it's 254 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: I think it's first off, I think that the audience 255 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: repellence is permanent. I don't think you're going to have 256 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: anybody but the activist tuning it. Saturday Night Life has 257 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: the same problem. It's just that I think that the 258 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: costs are significantly lower because they only do it once 259 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: a week too. I mean, so that's a that's a 260 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: part of this. I mean, that's a you know, the 261 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: Late Show was, you know, five days a week, forty 262 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: eight weeks out of the year. I'm sure that Colbert 263 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: got four weeks of vacation or so, or maybe they 264 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: brought in guest hosts during his vacation. But that's expensive. 265 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it just is it's going to be expensive. 266 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: That's part of the that's part of the structural problem here. 267 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: So they've lost that audience. And frankly, everybody knows that 268 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: they can get this same type of content much cheaper. 269 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: You know. 270 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: One of the reasons why it might not be so 271 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: immediate at NBC and ABC is both Fallon and Kimmel 272 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: have done a pretty good job of integrating YouTube and 273 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: social media streams too into what they do. And apparently 274 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: Colbert just was an old dog who wouldn't learn that 275 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: new trick, but Kimmel and Fallon have been better at it. 276 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: They've also cut costs ABC and NBC. ABC and NBC, 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: excuse me, have cut costs on those shows. I think 278 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: both of them only run four nights a week now, 279 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: Monday through Thursday, and one of them lost the band. 280 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: I forget which one of them lost the band. 281 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't watch either one. 282 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: Reducing costs, but they have the same problem advertiser falloff. 283 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: Advertisers just simply aren't interested in it because the audience 284 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: keeps shrinking and that's going to continue and I think 285 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: within maybe even by the end of the supposed run 286 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: of Colebert. Both Kimmel and Fallon will be looking for 287 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: something else to do. 288 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Okay, And I'm on record that this is the first 289 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: domino to fall talking to Edmarssey of hotair dot com. 290 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: But I want to get into where I think there's 291 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: an error in the argument, which is we are making 292 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: a statement through this that this is the end of 293 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: late night. Certainly, late night does not have the cultural 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: connection that it used to have. Late night does not 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: create careers like it used to. There are a tremendous 296 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: number of options and the bifurcation of all content. And 297 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: you have what these hosts did to themselves and did 298 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: to the audience in showing every day how they hate 299 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: half of America and how they weren't interested in being funny. 300 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: They were only interested in being on the attack. More 301 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: of my interview with Ed Morrissey, including the conversation around 302 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: whether the Jeffrey Epstein Files is jump the Shark and 303 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: who's responsible for that happening. It's all coming up. Keep 304 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: it here. This is Tony Katz today. So have we 305 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: reached the silly season regarding Jeffrey Epstein? This was my fear. 306 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: I wanted the information everybody else was playing politics. We 307 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: wanted to know what was happening. Everybody else want to 308 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: figure out how they could build some kind of political 309 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: fiefdom out of it all. And the next thing you know, 310 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: you get to a place where every conversation about Jeffrey 311 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Epstein is oh, Trump's didn't do this, or Trump's hiding this, 312 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and oh, how do we attack Republicans here? And man, 313 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: it hasn't affected MAGA in the slightest Tony Katz, Tony 314 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Katz today, good to be with you. I was having 315 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: this conversation with Ed Morrissey from hot air dot com 316 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: specifically about how MAGA and Trump's supporters are all around. 317 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: They may disagree with how Trump handled Epstein, how Pambondi 318 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: handled Epstein, how Republicans handled Epstein, but they're not leaving 319 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: Trump's side. They're not voting for whoever it is the 320 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: left to sides put up there. They're not now in 321 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: favor of Democrats. That's just not happening at all. We 322 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: get to that conversation, but I started by continuing this 323 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: conversation about Late Night and of course the end of 324 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert, and rightfully so, and they should fire him 325 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: right now. But if is it that late night makes 326 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: no money? Or is that these people, these hosts make 327 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: no money? And what are these networks cable are otherwise 328 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: now going to do with this time. That is different 329 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: than whether or not the networks, even cable networks see 330 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: a value in late night property. If you're not engaged 331 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: in some kind of conversational mill, U, what are you 332 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: doing with the time? It's it's reruns of gun Smoke, 333 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: by the way, gun Smoke, Bravo in the reference a 334 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: little something, No, yeah, all right, forget it. The the 335 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: real the question comes to a business one. Not of 336 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: this costs us way too much for what we get 337 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: back out of it. Let's put an end to that. 338 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: And I don't believe this has anything to do with 339 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Trump and the settlements at all. But does the network 340 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: now say and the cable news operator now say, there's 341 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: no value to having a unique bit of programming here? 342 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: Just play more news because three people yelling at Scott 343 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Jennings is good enough. 344 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: It might be good enough. It's certainly in terms of, 345 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, return on an investment, because it's a lot 346 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: less of an investment. Sure, look, I think that they're 347 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: gonna fill the airtime with something, but you could do 348 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: the same thing by just having like a stand up 349 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: comedy hour and with somebody heavy on the bleeping right, 350 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: you know, or just say hey, this is after this, 351 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: after ten pm, and we're just gonna we're just gonna, 352 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: you know, raw dog it out here for an hour 353 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: with stand up comedians. Kusha heck of a lot less 354 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: to do that. Production costs would be minimal, and you'd 355 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: probably get more interest from people because at least if 356 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: you're inviting a fairly decent mix of comedians, right, piety 357 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: of approaches might be it might be worth doing. But 358 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of like the it was a 359 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: Don Kirshner's rock thing that they were used to do 360 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: on Friday nights back in the seventies, sixties and seventies, 361 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, featuring new up and coming new bands. You 362 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: could do something like that, and you do up and 363 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: coming new bands if there's any such thing anymore that 364 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: don't use auto tune. But the point is is whatever 365 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: is going to go up there is going to be 366 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: a much lower cost, probably won't be host centered, probably 367 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: won't have a whole lot of explicit politics in terms 368 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: of a monologue that you know, leads in every single 369 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: night you won't see dex you know, dancing vaccines on 370 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: on the stage. I mean, I mean that was the 371 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: jump the shark, you know, nuke the fridge moment for 372 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert. Anyway, but you know, the point about not 373 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: being about Trump is is is worth hitting one more time. 374 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: If this was about Trump, they would have shut down 375 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: the show. At the time of the settlement, it's not 376 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: about Trump. They were going to give this guy a 377 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: ten month off ramp to have a classy exit so 378 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: that he could be dignified. He could fill out his contract, 379 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 2: he could he could complete you know, stick the landing 380 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: sort of thing. I'm not sure that this thing survives 381 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: past this week or next week because he keeps inviting 382 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: guests on now that are going on and on about 383 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: what a martyr Stephen Colbert is for free speech right, 384 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: and you know how paramount stinks. I don't think you're 385 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: going to spend one hundred million dollars or whatever the 386 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: ten month pro rate cost structure is for that, maybe 387 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, eighty million dollars to do brand derogation five 388 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: nights a week. 389 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: I got to assume there's a little bit of this 390 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: having to deal with the unions that work on that show, 391 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: and how you give those guys a soft landing as well? 392 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Talking to Edmarscy of hotair dot com and I'll tell 393 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: you if they want them late night programming, I have 394 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: a fantastic variety program. They're singing, there's dancing, there's juggling, 395 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: there's acts with water. You know what I call this? 396 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: Sh hope, no, no, no, no, clue, no notes. What 397 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: do you call the show? 398 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: The Aristocrats? God, that felt good. 399 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure your 400 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: audience is. 401 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: Gonna get that. Oh yes, they will greatest audience in 402 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: all of radio and video and TV right here. Oh 403 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: they got it? Oh? Oh that felt good? 404 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: Aristocrats? The uh. 405 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: I do want to hit one more subject with you, 406 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: Ed Marcy of hot air dot com, and that is 407 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: that of Jeffrey Epstein. By the way, only I Tony 408 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: Katz could go from The Aristocrats to Jeffrey Epstein in 409 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: the same sentence. 410 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a pretty it's a pretty good segue. Actually, though, 411 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: I give you high marks for the segue as well. 412 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: Try that NPR uh. The I am one of the 413 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: people who argued that it's important and imperative that the 414 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: information about Epstein be released. I think Pam Bondi has 415 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: done a terrible job with the release. I think the 416 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: giving the binders so called influencers was embarrassing. I think 417 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: President Trump had a rare misstep when he's saying why 418 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: are we talking about Epstein and going after his own supporters. 419 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: It was a mistake. Promises made, promises must be kept. 420 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: This information about this child predator, who was involved with him, 421 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: this is stuff we want to know. We cannot have 422 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: two Americas where some people can get away with the 423 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: most awful things in the world and some people can't 424 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: get away with not paying their parking ticket. I'm not 425 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: interested in that American I do believe that a lot 426 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 1: of this got misplayed by the Trump administration. All of 427 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: that said, the House has to now go into recess 428 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: a day early because the Democrats want to play politics 429 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: with the Epstein files. Even though President Trump already told 430 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: Pambondi to get court permission and release what you can. 431 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: Democrats want to say release everything and want to push 432 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: this to a vote so Republicans could vote no on it, 433 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: so they could say, oh, look, Republicans are trying to 434 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: hide the Epstein files. Well, they didn't care about the 435 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: Epstein files for four years. It is. Have we now 436 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: hit the moment ed of Epstein's silliness. I want the information, 437 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: and these people who are supposed to be our leaders 438 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: don't seem to give a damn about anything except how 439 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: they can get some weird political victory that lasts all 440 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: of five minutes. Yeah, it was. 441 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: It's the one really big fumble so far in the 442 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: Trump administration is the whole Epstein thing. They're the ones 443 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: that stirred the pot, right, They're the ones that came 444 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: out and said, we're gonna blow the lid off of this. 445 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: We're gonna name the names, We're gonna release the client list. Well, 446 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as a client list. As it 447 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: turns out, the binders were full of stuff that we 448 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: had already been released, and they knew it at the time. 449 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: They asked the influencers involved to just, you know, just 450 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: just keep me kind of quiet right now. But the 451 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: stuff is coming. The stuff is coming. It's it's not 452 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: it's not ready yet. The stuff that they're talking about 453 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: is actually grand jury testimony. For the most part, it's 454 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: grand jury testimony, and it's under Sea because one of 455 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: the cases is still active, the case against Delane Maxwell, 456 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: is that the Supreme Court right now there is a 457 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: potential that the Supreme Court could order a new trial, 458 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: which means that you have to go back through the 459 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: whole process. So federal judges are not usually interested in 460 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: releasing grand jury testimony anyway, especially when it contains so 461 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: much information about underage victims of sex trafficking. That's another 462 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: wrinkle that's in this. The judges yesterday are late last night, 463 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: I believe, told the Department of Justice, both judges who 464 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: are who have this testimony under seal that they want 465 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: more information about what it is that they want released 466 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: because there is some really humiliating information in here when 467 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: it comes to the victims, and they don't think that 468 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: it's a great idea to put this out in the public. 469 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: Not only that, but grand jury testimony is really one sided. 470 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: It's just a prosecutor putting on it's hearsay ends up 471 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: in theirs. A lot of this stuff hasn't been necessarily 472 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: confirmed or corroborated. The risk of smearing people who haven't 473 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: actually done anything wrong. And Alan Dershowitz should know that 474 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: better than anybody. He wants it all released, because he says, 475 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: just get it all out there so everybody can have 476 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: this discussion. But this is what judges are looking at, 477 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: so there's not much to release. To the point now 478 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: where you've got the Deputy Attorney General of the United 479 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: States who wants to have a meeting with Gallainne Maxwell 480 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: to see if she if she's willing to testify to 481 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: what she knows. This is the sex trafficker. She's the 482 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: one who was doing most of the dirty work for 483 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. She was finding the girls, she was bringing 484 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 2: the girls to him. And it's worth noting that that's 485 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: the only thing that she was convicted of, was trafficking 486 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: girls to Jeffrey Epstein, not to anybody else, but just 487 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein. And that was enough. That's all it 488 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: took to get her twenty years in prison. So all 489 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: of this, I think is a distraction, but it's a 490 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: distraction that the Trump administration created Pam Bondi especially, and 491 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: it is a huge mistake. You never promised something that 492 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: you can't deliver. She clearly can't deliver on this, and 493 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: now they're looking to sort of back you know, retro, 494 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: you know retro fit or retro engineer to where they 495 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: can they can do this, and Democrats are doing what 496 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: I think Republicans would do under the same circumstances. We're 497 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: just taking advantage of it and making sure that everybody 498 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: knows that these guys are flailing. And they are. 499 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: But the I think the problem that the Democrats have 500 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: is that you didn't care about this for four years. 501 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: It's clearly obvious that it's political to you. And if 502 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: this is all you have, Trump still wins on the economy, 503 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: Trump still wins on the border, Trump still wins on 504 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: the Middle East. Trump still wins on men are not 505 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: women and women are not men. Trump still wins. Trump 506 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: still wins. Trump still wins. So the other part of 507 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: this is that somehow the Epstein conversation has created a 508 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: rift in MAGA. I think it created some people trying 509 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: to protect their fiefdoms and some people who really showed 510 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: themselves to be very Bill Crystal, We're not going to 511 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: talk about this. We'll tell you what to talk about. 512 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: That's that's not a way to do things, guys. Bill Crystal, 513 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I'm conservatism. I'll tell you who a real 514 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: conservative is is not a way to go about winning 515 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: friends and influencing people. But true, if the Democrats are 516 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: going to rely on this to gain some kind of victory, 517 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: who in the world are they pulling over from Magaville 518 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: or from independence, or from moderates or from low propensity voters. 519 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: I argue that number is zero. 520 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, almost certainly. But again, they don't have too 521 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: many cards to play, and that's a solid point. And 522 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: Bondy just gave them half a deck, right, So they're 523 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 2: going to play those cards as long as they can 524 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: play those cards, and hopefully it erodes some confidence and 525 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: it's et cetera, et cetera. Maybe at least to some 526 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: other scandal. You know. I think that they're still sort 527 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: of semi hoping that there's something about Trump in these files. 528 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: If there was something about trumpet would have leaked out 529 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: during the Biden administration. There's nothing about Trump and the 530 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: dirkshiw Witz says, I've seen all of this. There's nothing 531 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: about Trump in it. There's nothing about any he said, 532 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: there's nothing about any current office holders that are in 533 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: this either. This is mostly like business leaders and people 534 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: around politics, but there's no current office holders in this mix. 535 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: So again, there's really not. This is going to be 536 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: a huge exercise in disappointment and dissolution and failed expectations. 537 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: And this is why politics is about setting expectations in 538 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: a manner that you can meet them and be credible 539 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: in doing so. This is practically a Harvard Business School 540 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: case of how not to do politics. 541 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Ed Marscy hotair dot com. Always appreciate you, man. More 542 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: coming up. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.