Speaker 1: And where are we going here? Anything you have a
Speaker 1: chance against ours? Mister cowboy? Hey mother, what do you
Speaker 1: like to do? Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Play chess? School Seller's play chess?
Speaker 3: They give off that Jonathan Taylor chuck cutting its way
Speaker 3: walking the goal line. He's in there, put down andde
Speaker 3: why Jonathan Taylor Reler finds lawn.
Speaker 4: Here's halliburn into the front court, mishandled it mcgainst any
Speaker 4: shots it?
Speaker 5: John.
Speaker 3: I have never been bedroom to be on the air
Speaker 3: with you here in Indianapolis, a place where so many
Speaker 3: of my dreams have come true. The ride with JM
Speaker 3: V on ninety three five and one oh seven five
Speaker 3: the fan, Hey, welcome into the show. Cayler's over there,
Speaker 3: I'm John right here. That's one hell of a day
Speaker 3: we had yesterday, wasn't it. That is the springboard we
Speaker 3: need to have a fantastic weekend. We've got jack assery
Speaker 3: all around. It started with the inbound new boy, the
Speaker 3: maker ad who's presence? Yes, or I should say today
Speaker 3: on Query and Company clarified things. You know, you guys
Speaker 3: thought about this had you been in a similar spotlight.
Speaker 3: We all think we have the answers. I know I
Speaker 3: act like I have the answers. In fact, there's nobody
Speaker 3: out there that has less answers about anything than me.
Speaker 3: I tell you, the one truth thing that I know
Speaker 3: and I feel comfortable in. This is all really the
Speaker 3: massive amount of things.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I think that's how I'm able to walk around
Speaker 3: upright and not constantly run into stuff.
Speaker 5: Now, otherwise it would be it'd be difficult. It would
Speaker 5: But how would you guys have handled that?
Speaker 3: If you are Tommy McClellan, would you have just said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, it looked like it was scripted and we're
Speaker 3: gonna go by his word. He appeared with Jake a
Speaker 3: little bit earlier today on Query and Company to clear
Speaker 3: the air and said, you know what, it was just
Speaker 3: me trying to be funny, and if you gather a
Speaker 3: dude like that, probably rarely, if ever, has been funny.
Speaker 5: Let's face it, guys, guys like that.
Speaker 3: He's an incredibly intelligent human being, but making people laugh
Speaker 3: is probably not at the top of his This is
Speaker 3: what I've done list, nor will it be.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Hey, this will be funny
Speaker 5: when I knock him dead.
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 3: I kind of wondered about is any boiler Maker fans
Speaker 3: that are left out there that are not on the
Speaker 3: side of man, I wish this crap cloud would just
Speaker 3: go away, and you're thankful for the weekend because you know,
Speaker 3: we all have short attention span, so we're gonna forget about.
Speaker 5: It by Monday.
Speaker 3: But do you wish if you're not hoping that it
Speaker 3: just simply goes away, how about just flexing on it
Speaker 3: and going, Hey, well, this is what we expect. We're Purdue,
Speaker 3: this is what we strive for. This is a new world,
Speaker 3: a new era, new landscape. You could have mixed in. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, our competitors to the south, they got a
Speaker 3: little bit of something right now. Now it's up to
Speaker 3: us to go at it too. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 3: I'm here to raise some funds. I'm here to obtain
Speaker 3: some cash and spread it around and bring high level
Speaker 3: winning to this football program. I'm here to back up
Speaker 3: Barry Odemar football coach. Would you have doubled down on
Speaker 3: that at all? Or that have just made it worse?
Speaker 3: But flexing on that a little bit? Hey, you know
Speaker 3: what I said? What I said, that's what I mean,
Speaker 3: by God? Or do you just say man, I really
Speaker 3: jecked this thing up, and I was trying to be
Speaker 3: funny and I'm not, which again, you can look at it,
Speaker 3: and that's a guy that probably rarely has ever been
Speaker 3: funny about anything. That was probably the funniest he's ever
Speaker 3: been and it was by accident. So I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that that was a comfortable situation for him.
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I will give I'll give
Speaker 3: him credit for coming on. This is what he had
Speaker 3: with Jake a little bit earlier. This is new on
Speaker 3: the Inbound ad Tommy McClellan up Purdue talking about that
Speaker 3: statement that he made that everybody has been talking about
Speaker 3: for the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: The last several days has just been an incredible opportunity
Speaker 4: for me and my family. As we've arrived here in
Speaker 4: the Greater Lafayette community, we've had an incredible worm welcome,
Speaker 4: and yesterday was another banner day of that, being able
Speaker 4: to share the vision and the hope and the optimism
Speaker 4: and the where are we going the trajectory of Purdue
Speaker 4: Athletics and what can be And in the midst of
Speaker 4: that great day made an off the script, off the script,
Speaker 4: off the cuff remark about an instate rival as a
Speaker 4: joke that didn't land well, And I knew it immediately
Speaker 4: as it came out of my mouth. And you know, listen,
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like taking the ball in the first tee
Speaker 4: and putting it in the lake.
Speaker 5: You got to tee it up.
Speaker 4: The good news, Jake, is that we've got eighteen more holes.
Speaker 2: We've got to keep going.
Speaker 4: The thing that bothered me, probably more than anything, is
Speaker 4: it becomes a distraction to what the focus is.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I want to get the attention on where are we
Speaker 4: trying to go? How are we going to get there?
Speaker 4: We've got six hundred thousand living alums, fifty five plus
Speaker 4: thousand students, an incredible state, We've got an incredible opportunity
Speaker 4: ahead of us, and the last thing I want is
Speaker 4: an off the comfort mark to be a distraction to
Speaker 4: what the real goal is here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say this, I don't think it was
Speaker 3: a distraction to what the real goal is. It was
Speaker 3: a need of the nuts to the fan base, That's
Speaker 3: what it was. It was an embarrassing need of the nuts.
Speaker 3: It was like something from where the home videos, remember
Speaker 3: the Yeah that show? Right, what's the Golden Yeah, funniest
Speaker 3: home video and you know, all the funniest moments is
Speaker 3: when accidentally some guy got hit in the nuts every
Speaker 3: single time. That's really the only thing that was redeemable
Speaker 3: about that show is you're going to get like fifteen
Speaker 3: different nutshots and we're all going to laugh. That's what
Speaker 3: the boy, the maker fan base felt like yesterday. So
Speaker 3: there was not a distraction. There's not going to be
Speaker 3: a distraction. This will loom above his head until they
Speaker 3: prove otherwise. And when you win, a lot of this
Speaker 3: stuff goes away. When you win, everybody is quiet. When
Speaker 3: you win, you no longer are a part of the
Speaker 3: butt of jokes. I think what's more distracting on what
Speaker 3: has been more distracting for the fan base and for
Speaker 3: what Purdue is trying to do is what the football
Speaker 3: team has looked like and some of the decision making
Speaker 3: with the football program, and you know, moving forward now
Speaker 3: and hopefully you get that right with Barry Odom who
Speaker 3: to me seems like he says and does all the
Speaker 3: right things. And even though you're the boss, and then
Speaker 3: you all know that Matt Painter always does and says
Speaker 3: the right things. So luckily for you, even though you
Speaker 3: are the boss, you can kind of look around the
Speaker 3: room a little bit and people can help you out.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that that was distracting. But I
Speaker 3: will give the tip of the cap for him going
Speaker 3: on Jake's show and saying what he said.
Speaker 5: You have to to own it.
Speaker 3: But it was not a distraction. It was simply put
Speaker 3: embarrassing as hell. That's exactly what you don't want. Distraction.
Speaker 3: Like I said, the distraction hopefully will go away quickly.
Speaker 3: But that was embarrassing to a lot of folks. And
Speaker 3: the moral of the story is, if your forte is
Speaker 3: not being funny, then probably don't try it in your
Speaker 3: introductory press conference after you at ben tabbed as the
Speaker 3: next athletic director at Purdue.
Speaker 5: That's it. Know what you don't know?
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that's how I walk around because I
Speaker 3: am as dumb as this table top, and I realize it.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to fool anybody.
Speaker 3: You guys ever notice on this show, Hey, it doesn't
Speaker 3: sound like Jamb's trying to fool anybody with this dialogue
Speaker 3: and his ut words usage. Why because I know about
Speaker 3: five is why I can't fool anybody I'm not smart
Speaker 3: enough to fool anybody.
Speaker 5: You got to know what you don't know.
Speaker 3: There's where you can't officially embark on what is the
Speaker 3: true battle right there? And yesterday unfortunately the new l
Speaker 3: LETI director there did not know what he didn't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: trying to be funny, the old zinger, the old zinger.
Speaker 3: What was that dude's name that went on Letterman the
Speaker 3: time and thought he was being funny and it just
Speaker 3: turned out to be a disaster.
Speaker 5: Was his name? Crispin Glover? Is that who that is?
Speaker 3: Or is that somebody different? Here's the guy that did
Speaker 3: the karate kick and it whizz right by Letterman's face.
Speaker 3: That who I'm thinking of, Crispin Glover. See, he thought
Speaker 3: he may have been high on drugs at that moment,
Speaker 3: which is completely different. But he thought at that time
Speaker 3: that he was trying to be funny and it wasn't funny.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: You can got to know what you don't know.
Speaker 3: So hopefully now for Tommy McClellan, their vision of what
Speaker 3: they believe he can bring to that athletic program and
Speaker 3: institution can become a reality and knuckleheads like me can
Speaker 3: stop making fun of it. You got to know what
Speaker 3: you don't know, man, especially, I don't know how many people, Hey, Caleb,
Speaker 3: how many people out there you think are as dumb
Speaker 3: as me? Give me a great example. It just happened
Speaker 3: literally fifteen minutes ago, did it not? Caleb says, Hey,
Speaker 3: did you send me that thing for email?
Speaker 5: Said? Yeah, I said it to you. Where is it?
Speaker 3: You didn't find it? You don't see what's going on?
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't send it. It's in there all the desktop.
Speaker 3: And Eddie Garrison said, it's probably still in your desktop.
Speaker 3: See he knows he guy is the guy. He's not
Speaker 3: very bright right here. It's probably still in there on
Speaker 3: his desktop. He may have just forgotten to do it
Speaker 3: all together. But no fault of yours. I get reminded
Speaker 3: of that on not a weekly, not a daily, but
Speaker 3: an hourly basis, And that's okay.
Speaker 5: I have learned to live with it.
Speaker 3: If you want to hear the entire conversation, Jake was
Speaker 3: out at the State Fair the opening day of the
Speaker 3: State Fair going on. It looks like started out with rain.
Speaker 3: It looks like it's hot and humid and sunny right now.
Speaker 3: So let's go to it. And certainly you can listen
Speaker 3: to that conversation with Tommy McClelland and Jake on a
Speaker 3: podcast at one oh seven five fan dot com. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get to the Fever in just a second, because
Speaker 3: if you thought that that was going to be all
Speaker 3: she wrote in the terms of embarrassing situations on a Thursday,
Speaker 3: you had yet watched the Fever play against the Vegas Aces,
Speaker 3: because that was some embarrassing stuff too, all the way around,
Speaker 3: All the way around. Tricia Thompson, ESPN bot of the Hour,
Speaker 3: how many thirty for thirties has she been involved with?
Speaker 3: I know that she's involved with the show aotani thing,
Speaker 3: but how many do you know at all?
Speaker 6: Not thirty for thirty specifically, but she's done broke a
Speaker 6: lot of stories, even about you know, Daniel Snyder's ownership
Speaker 6: with the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 5: She's very, very plugged in.
Speaker 6: And if you've seen anything about the show, heyo Tani, Yeah,
Speaker 6: thirty for thirty. I think it's a real interesting conversation
Speaker 6: conversation just about gambling and that whole story because it
Speaker 6: is it is a never ending rabbit hole, that whole thing.
Speaker 3: So excited rabbit hole reference right there. That's the first
Speaker 3: time the rabbit hole reference has ever been used on
Speaker 3: this show. Yeah, happy to use I and I apologize.
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting you are, but I normally associate terms
Speaker 3: like that with nerds.
Speaker 5: File that under with green dot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the green dot, rabbit holes. Mount Rushmore's of using narrative.
Speaker 3: Those are the top I got onetionality, optionality, another one
Speaker 3: top five nerdery.
Speaker 5: That's how you tell me automatical And I'm.
Speaker 3: Not suggesting you are, but maybe you're showing signs of
Speaker 3: nerdery when you go in those categories. It's Caleb over there,
Speaker 3: up John and bottom of the ole. Tricia Thompson is
Speaker 3: going to join us. I will tell you this. Don
Speaker 3: Fisher just got back with me. Don says he can join.
Speaker 3: We'll see if we can go at five thirty with
Speaker 3: Don today.
Speaker 1: That works.
Speaker 3: Don Fisher, Voice of the Hoosiers. We're bringing Bob Lovell
Speaker 3: back once again. Four year number one, thoy thirty two.
Speaker 3: Bob lovel is going to join us today at four thirty.
Speaker 3: He starts once again after a summer long vacation hiatus.
Speaker 3: He is back with Indiana Sports Talk. That, my friends,
Speaker 3: is what you call an institution. Did you see the
Speaker 3: meeting of the minds out here. A little bit earlier
Speaker 3: this week, we had Bob Lovell here and we had
Speaker 3: Ray from Telemundo. There are two of the most interesting
Speaker 3: men in the world right there. He is, like, I
Speaker 3: can't believe what's going on here. I felt compelled just
Speaker 3: to say, can somebody snap a photograph of all of
Speaker 3: us together right here? The most interesting dudes in the world.
Speaker 3: Bob's going to join us today at four thirty. Pat
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Speaker 3: Plus he always brings some cool stuff in here, which
Speaker 3: is nice. Pat Sullivan top of the four o'clock how
Speaker 3: I mentioned Bob Lovell four thirty.
Speaker 5: I felt the need for all of us, and hopefully
Speaker 5: you understand this. I felt the need.
Speaker 3: I was compelled to lead us all down the path
Speaker 3: of knowledge of education for the twenty twenty six college
Speaker 3: football season. Does it feel like it's time?
Speaker 5: You know this to be true?
Speaker 3: The gateway to every college football season always starts on
Speaker 3: this show. It always starts with the Almanac, the college
Speaker 3: football Preview. And you can get that via hard copy.
Speaker 3: You can go to Books a Million, you can go
Speaker 3: to Barnes and Noble. Get that bad boy rot off
Speaker 3: the magazine rack. Put that right next to the toilet.
Speaker 3: Nobody has ever been educated more as a member of
Speaker 3: Generation X than toilet readings. It is a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 3: You think Kirk Herbstreet knows something, You're gonna know more
Speaker 3: because that college football preview is right next to your crapper.
Speaker 3: Phil's going to join us, so we're all going to
Speaker 3: be educated on the college football season. Coming up at
Speaker 3: the five o'clock hour mark of this show. Phil Steele,
Speaker 3: as usual his annual destination is on this show at
Speaker 3: five o'clock, and it looks like as long as he
Speaker 3: can do it. At five thirty today, the voice of
Speaker 3: the Hoosiers, Don Fischer, will join us for the first time.
Speaker 3: So cannot wait for that, all right. I hate to
Speaker 3: do it because we're feeling so good even after that loss.
Speaker 3: Going back to Sunday, we were feeling good, feeling about
Speaker 3: what do I say?
Speaker 5: And I may have to put this up on the.
Speaker 3: Dorkery Mount Rushmore of this is how I know you're
Speaker 3: a nerd terms, but we thought that this team had
Speaker 3: turned the corner.
Speaker 5: And you lose in Minnesota on Sunday.
Speaker 3: It was game three of after the All Star Break,
Speaker 3: a three game road trip and the Link's best team
Speaker 3: right now, the WNBA.
Speaker 5: So you give them that.
Speaker 3: And then you go home and they get off to
Speaker 3: what a twenty two point advantage early on. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if I've ever seen a team lose a
Speaker 3: twenty two point lead as quickly as the Fever did
Speaker 3: in the first half of that game last night. That
Speaker 3: was amazing. Anybody ever seen a lead? Seriously, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you do. You think if you would have
Speaker 3: just pulled the all five players off the floor and
Speaker 3: Vegas could have just gone by virtue of not getting
Speaker 3: the inback, you know, I don't know if you would
Speaker 3: lose the lead as quickly as they did.
Speaker 5: It was incredible.
Speaker 3: It really was.
Speaker 5: Everything was going wrong and so many of the issues
Speaker 5: that this team has had this season.
Speaker 3: The only thing about it was the biggest issue during
Speaker 3: that moment was the lack of offense. They went forever
Speaker 3: in a day without scoring. That has never been an issue.
Speaker 3: That was a serious issue last night. And these are
Speaker 3: some things this late in the season where you go,
Speaker 3: all right, so have we been fooled about where this
Speaker 3: team has been as we get to this portion of
Speaker 3: the season. There is zero way if you're the team
Speaker 3: that's rotten, full of expectations and things to live up to,
Speaker 3: and as talented across the board as this team is
Speaker 3: at home, You're going to turn this thing over twenty
Speaker 3: one times and don't give me that vegas pressure defense
Speaker 3: both sides. It was awful offense and at best it
Speaker 3: was half assed defense. You turned the ball over twenty
Speaker 3: one times in IHLA, I think the Aces turned it
Speaker 3: over sixteen, and there was very little defense being played.
Speaker 3: The ball was just going absolutely everywhere. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: we got these ten people out here and this is
Speaker 3: the first time they've ever seen this round thing.
Speaker 5: It was awful.
Speaker 3: There was a moment where you thought, I gotta turn
Speaker 3: this off. It is awful basketball. It was awful basketball.
Speaker 3: But under those circumstances, if you're the fever at home,
Speaker 3: you just want to survive it. And they were in
Speaker 3: position to survive it, and then unfortunately for their star
Speaker 3: and their team, it unreveled in Tommy McClellan embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what that was. An embarrassment last night. You
Speaker 3: cannot have that happen if it is a team that
Speaker 3: is going all out and they're tough and they're just
Speaker 3: coming down hard on you, and you've got, for example,
Speaker 3: Olivia Miles of the Lynx is out there just taking
Speaker 3: you off the dribble and scoring it will That was
Speaker 3: both sides.
Speaker 5: Of it was crapwater.
Speaker 3: It was there was no need for what you had
Speaker 3: to witness last night inside of Gambridge field House and
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark, unfortunately, in the closing moments of that game,
Speaker 3: the superstar of the team and of the league, certainly
Speaker 3: the profile of the league. You have to close that
Speaker 3: you missed two free throws. Kelsey Mitchell misses a free throw.
Speaker 3: You had that up one incredibly awful position and know
Speaker 3: that was not a foul on Asia Wilson. Oh man,
Speaker 3: she got fouled. She Here's what happened. Caitlin Clark goes
Speaker 3: up to pass the ball deflected. Both had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to go up and get it. Wilson went up to
Speaker 3: get it. She is the bigger player, and in the
Speaker 3: process of getting the ball discarded Caitlin Clark whom turned
Speaker 3: the ball over.
Speaker 5: That's that.
Speaker 3: So don't give me that she was foul. You wouldn't
Speaker 3: foul on the play. The defensive play was made and
Speaker 3: there was just some discombobulation And I think it all
Speaker 3: comes down to the discombobulation of the offensive night that
Speaker 3: Kaitlin Clark was having which would also stand the reason
Speaker 3: why you saw her at the free throw line with
Speaker 3: a chance to put the game away by hitting one
Speaker 3: free throw up three. One free throw does it for you,
Speaker 3: and you missed two with a little over seven seconds remaining.
Speaker 3: Cannot happen. We would say that about anybody on that.
Speaker 3: We would say that about Tyrese Haliburton. In a minute,
Speaker 3: it cannot happen. Zero of two cannot happen. And Caitlin
Speaker 3: Clarke herself talked about this after the game, described her play,
Speaker 3: especially during late game circumstances into regulation and into overtime,
Speaker 3: as follow.
Speaker 7: Obviously just can't happen. And those are free throws I
Speaker 7: usually make and certainly frustrating, you know. Obviously one of
Speaker 7: them gives us a two possession lead and kind of
Speaker 7: cost my name there for sure.
Speaker 6: So that's on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she knows better than anybody else, and she
Speaker 3: should know better than anybody else. Hey, it's tough to
Speaker 3: deal with and it stinks to deal with, but that
Speaker 3: that can't happen. As she said, that cannot happen. You
Speaker 3: don't just give that away. They just gave that away
Speaker 3: last night. But that was some excruciatingly awful basketball really
Speaker 3: on both sides. I mean, Chelsea Gray knocked down a
Speaker 3: couple of threes, and hey, it's not lost on me.
Speaker 3: With Stephanie White, I didn't think they had enough time
Speaker 3: to foul when they were up three. However, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'd come out and say, well, we weren't
Speaker 3: going to listen, the whole thing looked like an absolute
Speaker 3: unathletic mess. Trying to put that thing away defensively, they
Speaker 3: just did you throw it in. You know, you got
Speaker 3: to secure Stephanie White center. You got to secure that
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty ball. We knew what they were gonna run.
Speaker 3: Alexi Hall had her head turned, had no idea where
Speaker 3: the ball was. She was face guarding, and then the
Speaker 3: ball bounced in the right direction, right to Chelsea Gray.
Speaker 3: She knocks down a wide ass open three. Can't happen. So,
Speaker 3: but I will say this, and you're gonna say, well,
Speaker 3: you're just a f the coach. By the way, twenty
Speaker 3: one turnovers, misfree throws, lack of execution late, that's not
Speaker 3: on the coach. Now, I would question why the coach
Speaker 3: was not even if there was not enough time to
Speaker 3: implement a fouling process there. Why you weren't thinking about that?
Speaker 3: I would question that, But everything else is on the players.
Speaker 3: That's all on the players, and really your criticism is
Speaker 3: going to come down to who you like and who
Speaker 3: you don't like. So all the Kaitlin Clark zelots out
Speaker 3: there are going to say, wow, you know she got
Speaker 3: fouled there on that play or is here, this is
Speaker 3: what was going on. They're trying to keep the ball
Speaker 3: away from and none of that could be further from
Speaker 3: the truth. You know who said it right, you know
Speaker 3: who had the accurate description, Kaitlin Clark. So just listen
Speaker 3: to that. No, you have to listen to me. I'm right,
Speaker 3: But you don't have to listen to me. If you
Speaker 3: want to listen to somebody that knows and then truly
Speaker 3: believe it. If you don't buy it right now, listen
Speaker 3: to Caitlin Clark. What we just played was all that
Speaker 3: needed to be said. Yeah, that was an embarrassing laws
Speaker 3: So the introduction of the new Bullermaker ad was beyond embarrassing.
Speaker 5: Steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith going off on it, I think he said the
Speaker 3: most embarrassing moment ever. It'd be the most embarrassing moment. Ever,
Speaker 3: if it mattered as much as what Steven A. Smith
Speaker 3: thinks it matters, I mean around here everybody got aroused
Speaker 3: by it, right well, I should say this maybe the
Speaker 3: opposite of arousal for Bullermaker fans, but you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody got stirred up about it around here. Yeah, nationwide.
Speaker 3: It was just kind of the bud of jokes and
Speaker 3: it was embarrassing. But yeah, most embarrassing thing.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 3: He'll probably pop something off coming up Monday that he
Speaker 3: feels is even more embarrassing than that.
Speaker 5: On the Eddie Moore Automotive Group Potlain and on the Ride.
Speaker 3: With JMV from ESPN investigative reporter, Hey, I'm bolting my
Speaker 3: windows and doors right now, covering up because Tisha Thompson
Speaker 3: joins us, you ever often get that as an investigative
Speaker 3: reporter at the highest level.
Speaker 5: People kind of signe Stephanie A bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People are like, do you want to look at my
Speaker 2: phone right now?
Speaker 3: How does one focus in on wanting to become and
Speaker 3: or accomplish what you have in your world? Your realm
Speaker 3: of investigative reporting, especially on this latest thirty for thirty
Speaker 3: on show, Heyo Tani.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, a lot of it comes from people
Speaker 2: with tips. That's how this story started.
Speaker 8: We got a tip in October twenty twenty three, which,
Speaker 8: just to help people remember, was right before the news
Speaker 8: broke that show Heyo Tani was about or signed a
Speaker 8: seven hundred million dollar contract to play with the Dodgers.
Speaker 8: So behind the scenes, while everybody was talking.
Speaker 2: About that, I was trying to figure out if this
Speaker 2: tip was true or not. You know, we get a
Speaker 2: lot of tips.
Speaker 8: At the ESPN Investigative Unit. Sometimes you never learn anything
Speaker 8: about them because they just.
Speaker 2: Don't follow through. In this case, we had.
Speaker 8: Good documents, We talked to a lot of sources, and
Speaker 8: it ended up being one heck of a story where
Speaker 8: we ended up following the money.
Speaker 5: How long did it take you to verify that tip
Speaker 5: to be accurate?
Speaker 8: The initial tip was accurate. It was literally right on
Speaker 8: the money, and we got that in October of twenty
Speaker 8: twenty three, and we ended up publishing our first story.
Speaker 2: There were a number of stories in March of.
Speaker 8: Twenty twenty four, right as the regular season was getting
Speaker 8: started that year.
Speaker 3: So Tisha Thompson joins US investigative reporter from ESPN. Before
Speaker 3: I get started on this thirty for thirty in your
Speaker 3: so your I Guess World of tips? What is the
Speaker 3: percentage of those that have turned out to be accurate
Speaker 3: compared to those that have led to nowhere?
Speaker 2: You know, most of the time the original tip is accurate.
Speaker 8: What happens is trying to confirm it or find multiple
Speaker 8: sources for it. I mean that was the challenge with
Speaker 8: this story in particular, is we knew money was going
Speaker 8: from show hey Otani's bank account to an illegal bookmaker.
Speaker 2: And the reason why that was important is I think
Speaker 2: everybody these days knows.
Speaker 8: You cannot bet on baseball if you're a baseball player
Speaker 8: or a staffer with.
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. That is against the rules.
Speaker 8: But you also are not allowed to bet with a
Speaker 8: bookie or have anything to do with a bookie because
Speaker 8: it's illegal. And it's so trying to figure out just
Speaker 8: because the money went from someone's bank account doesn't mean
Speaker 8: that that person knows that that money is leaving their
Speaker 8: bank account, right, So who is actually the person sending
Speaker 8: the money?
Speaker 2: That was really important to me.
Speaker 1: And in this.
Speaker 8: Podcast we go to a show Heotani's agent and we say, look,
Speaker 8: we have we've seen proof, We've seen that these wires
Speaker 8: sent money to this illegal book maker. We want to
Speaker 8: talk to show Heyo Tani and they said, maybe we'll see,
Speaker 8: but we'll give you the person who knows what happened,
Speaker 8: and that's Epei me Tahara, who of course is show
Speaker 8: Heyo Tani's interpreter at the time and has often been
Speaker 8: described as show Heyo Tani's best friend.
Speaker 5: That's an incredible right there.
Speaker 3: So in your investigation to this and again the thirty
Speaker 3: for thirty podcast the Betrayal of Sho Otani, how long
Speaker 3: did it take Otani to understand what was going on?
Speaker 8: Well, that's what we really get into in the podcast.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people know the headline that
Speaker 8: the interpreter was accused by Otani's lawyer for stealing from
Speaker 8: show Hey, and then the interpreter later says, yes, I'm guilty,
Speaker 8: I did it and goes to prison for it.
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of strangeness leading up to
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 8: As I said, we went to show he Atani's people
Speaker 8: and he said, we want an explanation for what's going on.
Speaker 2: They give me an interview with Epai me Tahara in
Speaker 2: episode two.
Speaker 8: For the first time you can actually hear the interview
Speaker 8: that I do with Epay, and the original interview was
Speaker 8: about ninety minutes long. We don't make you listen to
Speaker 8: all ninety minutes of it, but we let you listen
Speaker 8: to the vast majority of it. You know, the stuff
Speaker 8: with the like nitty gritty detail. You don't need to
Speaker 8: listen all that, but you hear the good stuff. You
Speaker 8: hear him tell me his version of the story. And
Speaker 8: then sixteen hours later, I get back on the phone
Speaker 8: with him and he recants almost all of it. He
Speaker 8: tells me that he lied to me, and he lied
Speaker 8: to show Hey, And so that's very strange. I've had
Speaker 8: a lot of people lie to me in my career,
Speaker 8: but I haven't ever had anything like what happened in
Speaker 8: the twenty four hours leading.
Speaker 2: Up to and after that interview with Epay.
Speaker 6: Tisha Caleb here and I just want to say love
Speaker 6: the podcast and am still still getting through it. And
Speaker 6: I'm glad you talked about episode two because to me,
Speaker 6: that's the most bone chilling part to me, your conversation
Speaker 6: with Epay. When you were talking to him, he kind
Speaker 6: of talked about how bad he felt and the.
Speaker 5: Remorse he felt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, as a reporter, how do you balance that between
Speaker 6: like feeling maybe some sympathy at that time in the
Speaker 6: timeline of the story with trying to get the details
Speaker 6: down and trying to do a job.
Speaker 8: Well, I say this to everybody, everybody's got a story,
Speaker 8: and I'm willing to listen to them. I want to
Speaker 8: hear what they went through. At the same time, with Epay,
Speaker 8: I had been tipped off by a source that Epay
Speaker 8: was prepared to say that he was the one gambling
Speaker 8: and that it was all his fault. And that's what
Speaker 8: essentially happens is is he says I'm the gambler, and
Speaker 8: he does. He expressed a tremendous remorse. And there's a
Speaker 8: moment in an episode two where he tells me he
Speaker 8: hasn't told anyone in his family how much trouble he's
Speaker 8: in because he knows he's in trouble.
Speaker 2: He knows it's bad.
Speaker 8: He does not admit to me in that interview how
Speaker 8: much money he really owed to the bookie. But I
Speaker 8: had been tipped off that it was at least four
Speaker 8: and a half million dollars had been sent from sho
Speaker 8: Aotani's bank account, but it was probably more at least
Speaker 8: sixteen million dollars, And so when I say to him,
Speaker 8: is it at least four point five? He says, I
Speaker 8: think so. And then I say, could it be more
Speaker 8: than that? He says, I don't think so. We're talking about.
Speaker 2: Millions of dollars. He isn't sure.
Speaker 8: So that's an example in the interview where I'm very skeptical.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering if he is in fact lying to me,
Speaker 8: And there's multiple instances of that. And then, of course
Speaker 8: in episode five, which just came out yesterday, and people
Speaker 8: can listen to the Feds lay out their.
Speaker 2: Case of what they found when they got into Epay's.
Speaker 8: Phone and the Bookie's phone, and they compared all the
Speaker 8: records that they collected when they did raids on the
Speaker 8: Booky's house, and they rated Epay's car, and they went
Speaker 8: through all this evidence. And there are multiple places where
Speaker 8: Epay's lying to me in that interview that the Feds
Speaker 8: later said, Nope, guess what it was?
Speaker 2: Sixteen million dollars?
Speaker 3: For instance, Wow Tisha Thompson ESPN investigative report of the
Speaker 3: thirty for thirty podcast, The betrayal of Show hey Otani
Speaker 3: is high level interest and Tisha joins us here on
Speaker 3: the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline.
Speaker 5: I guess I never really knew this.
Speaker 3: Did Epay and Otani know one another before he became
Speaker 3: his interpreter? How did all that that introduction, I guess
Speaker 3: of sorts go down initially?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm really glad you asked about that, because while
Speaker 8: we were all focusing on oh my gosh, all this money,
Speaker 8: how much money?
Speaker 2: Who stole what?
Speaker 8: One of the big questions that kind of went unanswered
Speaker 8: for me until we got a chance to do the
Speaker 8: thirty for thirty podcast is who is Epay?
Speaker 2: Who is this man?
Speaker 8: And we spend a lot of most of episode three
Speaker 8: really digging into what we do and don't know about
Speaker 8: Epay Mitsahara, because we do discover that they meet in Japan.
Speaker 8: He Epay is hired by the Knee Pon Hand Fighters,
Speaker 8: which is a Japanese baseball team to be an interpreter
Speaker 8: for American baseball players who are playing in Japan, and
Speaker 8: Shohi Otani. When he shows up to play for the
Speaker 8: Knee Pon Hand Fighters, his locker is right next to
Speaker 8: the American players, and that's where Epay and Shohy get
Speaker 8: to know each other. And in episode three we interview
Speaker 8: an American player who really got to know Epay because
Speaker 8: Epay was his interpreter.
Speaker 3: Before he becomes sho He's interpret Wow, that is that's
Speaker 3: some deeply rooted stuff right there. Now, What was the
Speaker 3: most interesting aspects of the entirety of your podcast and
Speaker 3: the investigation you did?
Speaker 5: The reporter you did itself right here?
Speaker 2: Well, I have to say the interview I did with
Speaker 2: you Pay is unlike any interview I've ever done in
Speaker 2: my career.
Speaker 8: And having the opportunity and the time and the space
Speaker 8: to let the fans hear the entire interview, that's pretty unusual.
Speaker 8: We don't normally you have the time to let people
Speaker 8: sit there and listen to the whole interview. But this
Speaker 8: interview warrants it, right, I think having that chance for
Speaker 8: fans to hear that. But also it's very rare for
Speaker 8: the FEDS, and when I say the FEDS, I mean
Speaker 8: the IRS and the other investigators in the US Attorney's
Speaker 8: Office to ever talk about an investigation.
Speaker 2: They do not talk about many of their investigations.
Speaker 8: The IRS special agent that we have in episode five
Speaker 8: has never done an interview before in a twenty year
Speaker 8: career of investigating tax crimes. But he lays out he's
Speaker 8: the guy that went through all the text messages between
Speaker 8: Epay and show. Hey, he's the guy that did the
Speaker 8: raid on the book He's house, He's the guy that's
Speaker 8: found all these baseball cards in Epay's car, And you're like, well,
Speaker 8: why do I care about baseball cards? They end up
Speaker 8: becoming an important part of the story.
Speaker 6: Tricia Last Tisha, Oh my gosh, I did it again.
Speaker 2: All right, sorry about it?
Speaker 5: The last one from me. I'm messing up here.
Speaker 6: In episode four, it's all about Matt Boyer, the bookie,
Speaker 6: and with him and under you kind of get a
Speaker 6: glimpse into the ugly underbelly of the gambling world. Just
Speaker 6: what did you take from spending time with him, and
Speaker 6: just how kind of in my opinion gross, I will
Speaker 6: say that, but kind of what did you think of
Speaker 6: just the whole gambling industry and bookie industry and the
Speaker 6: intimidation factor that they used and they talked about in
Speaker 6: that portion of the podcast.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I keep talking about how unusual it is to
Speaker 8: get people to talk. It's very unusual to get a
Speaker 8: bookie to tell you how he does it and In
Speaker 8: episode four, Matt Boyer not only explains how he hooked
Speaker 8: Epay as a client and how he essentially kept Epay
Speaker 8: on the line, you know, getting him to bet more
Speaker 8: and more and more and getting him to continue to
Speaker 8: pay this massive debt.
Speaker 2: Epay ran up a forty million dollar debt with this bookie,
Speaker 2: so there were a lot of questions about that.
Speaker 8: But he also really gets into detail about how he
Speaker 8: hooks all kinds of clients, not just Epay, but how
Speaker 8: he goes on golf courses and he plays in poker
Speaker 8: games and it feels very friendly, and it feels like
Speaker 8: it's just, you know, a couple of bets between some guys,
Speaker 8: you know, playing some golf, drinking some beers. But it's
Speaker 8: all in pursuit of getting you so in debt that
Speaker 8: the only way you think you can get out of
Speaker 8: debt from this guy simply playing a game of golf
Speaker 8: is to sign up for his book. And how he
Speaker 8: is perpetually threading that needle from keeping his clients from
Speaker 8: going bankrupt so that he continue to make as much
Speaker 8: money as he can.
Speaker 2: Very rare to get that.
Speaker 8: Frank and like Insider's perspective on the guys that you're
Speaker 8: essentially betting against anyone who likes the sports bet really
Speaker 8: should listen to what he's thinking about and how he's
Speaker 8: betting against you, essentially when he's taking your money.
Speaker 3: Man, that is it's a lesson that can be learned
Speaker 3: across the board, right there, tissue.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean it's a remarkable interview. He's very forthright in it,
Speaker 8: and I do a lot of I mean I've interviewed
Speaker 8: him now many times over the last two years. But
Speaker 8: he was about to go to prison. He was convicted
Speaker 8: for bookmaking, and so he was like, what do I
Speaker 8: got to lose?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you how I did it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: One of these days we'll probably watch a feature film
Speaker 5: regarding that. Maybe no A lot of.
Speaker 2: People care about show.
Speaker 8: Hey, I mean it's hard to explain how sameous he is.
Speaker 8: And he's not just this great baseball player, but he's
Speaker 8: an international superstar. I mean, he makes one hundred and
Speaker 8: twenty five million dollars a year just in endorsements. That's
Speaker 8: on top of the money the Dodgers are paying him.
Speaker 8: That's on top of his business and his investments. I mean,
Speaker 8: he is a real international superstar, Tisha, this was awesome.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you jumping on here today, and again I
Speaker 3: want to remind folks the thirty for thirty podcast, The
Speaker 3: Betrayal of Shohei Otani.
Speaker 5: It is available wherever you get podcast.
Speaker 3: It is I guess that I'd probably wrongly say here episodic,
Speaker 3: so there are different episodes and I'm from Southern Indiana.
Speaker 5: Here episodic and it is awesome.
Speaker 3: A tremendous listen, and thank you so much for the
Speaker 3: time today, And a shout out to Caleb who felt
Speaker 3: compelled to put you on the show because of his
Speaker 3: interest in the podcast in the first place.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys.
Speaker 8: Southern Indiana is the hometown of my godfather. It's one
Speaker 8: of my favorite places. Oh oh Dyannapolis is such a
Speaker 8: fun town, so thank.
Speaker 2: You for having me.
Speaker 5: Where's the godfather from Tisha?
Speaker 8: Way down south, tiny little farm.
Speaker 2: There's not even a name for his town.
Speaker 5: It's but you know what's what's it near?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: And I love them to death.
Speaker 5: Do you know what town it's near?
Speaker 8: It literally the border like it's boss as you can
Speaker 8: get in Indiana.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say Posey County right there. The Godfather.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the Godfather right there. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but yeah, Tisha, it's been a pleasure. Thank you for
Speaker 3: joining us.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 3: Tisha Thompson right there of ESPN Investigative Reporter.
Speaker 5: That was good. I had no idea. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 3: I know. I thought like, I'm getting into this and
Speaker 3: I'm you know, because I just gave that speel the
Speaker 3: start of the show about how dumb I am, and
Speaker 3: I go, Wow, this is really going to back it up.
Speaker 5: This is good. This is about ready to back up
Speaker 5: my lack of intelligence.
Speaker 6: That's why you listen to that.
Speaker 5: It's very well done, very good story. Welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of that, not only am I not the
Speaker 3: brightest bulb in the pack, but evidently I have led
Speaker 3: our guy groupie down the path to missing his first
Speaker 3: field goal. Last night Colts camp. That was a night
Speaker 3: practice that had some good things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, camps have opened and the actual games are going
Speaker 1: to start at the end of the month. So we're
Speaker 1: almost there, jamb.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that we're almost there.
Speaker 3: And then coming off of what was an absolute incredible
Speaker 3: season around here last year. You talk about things that
Speaker 3: we never thought would occur or happen. Are you winning
Speaker 3: a national title in football would be chief among those things.
Speaker 3: So your thoughts on the Hoosiers trying to bounce back
Speaker 3: after that national championship of a year ago.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I didn't realize Indiana had that
Speaker 1: many alumni that they could take over stadiums in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: especially going into Miami and having the crowd as pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3: So never say a thing like it, Phil, And I'll
Speaker 3: never see if they go back to back, we won't
Speaker 3: see anything like that again.
Speaker 5: It was an incredible, surreal moment to attend a game
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: It was just amazing. And you know, when I look
Speaker 1: at Indiana this year, I see a team it's once
Speaker 1: again a legitimate national title contender. And you know, you're
Speaker 1: bringing a quarterback in Josh Hooper. He's got nearly ten
Speaker 1: thousand yards passing in his career. I think he's going
Speaker 1: to fit up well with Kurt Signetti. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: go back to my first conversation with coach Signetti back
Speaker 1: when he was at James Madison. They were just coming
Speaker 1: in from FCS to FBS. They had lost a second
Speaker 1: team All American quarterback. There was Conference Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: They had like seven passes from the previous year back
Speaker 1: on the roster, and I asked coaches, said, hey, I'll
Speaker 1: probably struggle over a quarterback this year. He said, Phil
Speaker 1: had an All conference quarterback every year I've been a
Speaker 1: head coach. We'll have one this year and guess what
Speaker 1: they did. And he's produced one every year. And Hooper,
Speaker 1: he told me, was in the same ship Mendoza was
Speaker 1: in the spring. So I look for a big year
Speaker 1: out of Hoover. All the positions are loaded now. They
Speaker 1: had in a couple of defensive linemen in Kellen Wyatt
Speaker 1: and Stephan Daily that I didn't expect to be there.
Speaker 1: This will loaded Indiana team. I've got it favored in
Speaker 1: every single game with the exception of Ohio State October seventeenth,
Speaker 1: and I've got that one pick them. So if you're
Speaker 1: asking me if coach Signetti can get back and win
Speaker 1: now the national title, I think the chances are there.
Speaker 1: I'm very bullish in Indiana this year.
Speaker 3: So Phil Steele the college Football Preview and we're getting
Speaker 3: previewed right now via the Andy Moore Automotive Group hotline.
Speaker 3: I'm curious your thoughts on this, because you mentioned the
Speaker 3: fan base and then obviously in this NIL era there's
Speaker 3: tremendous resources, but there's also the process that you just
Speaker 3: brought up, and that is the process of selection for
Speaker 3: your roster. And really, either in Bloomington or wherever he's been,
Speaker 3: it seems like the Kurt Signetti has been a master
Speaker 3: of roster selections and this seems like maybe another year
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 5: What makes him so special in that category of phill.
Speaker 1: Just the overall talent evaluation that this guy has. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a coach, I've talked to other coaches, and we
Speaker 1: don't generally talk about other coaches. When I talked to
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three of the one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty eight coaches this year, going over to the rosters
Speaker 1: with them, and the average about now are a call.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to worry about their roster. But occasionally
Speaker 1: a coach will, you know, step out of the box
Speaker 1: for a minute and say, well, you know, coach Signetti's
Speaker 1: the best at evaluating talent. And I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: much a consensus among folks that this guy analyzes, evaluates,
Speaker 1: and just a tremendous eye.
Speaker 3: For talent, and the other thing is coaching staff consistency.
Speaker 3: And you look at the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: That consistency is a big deal to Phil.
Speaker 1: Oh Absolutely look at Oregon this year, brand new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: brand new defense coordinator. Ohio State's got a brand new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I think having the same guys on the
Speaker 1: staff is huge.
Speaker 3: That's Phil Steele College Football Preview. Kind enough to join us.
Speaker 3: So you talk about Indiana, the Big Ten, Ohio State
Speaker 3: as well, new coaches at Michigan and Happy Valley in
Speaker 3: East Lansing. Let's start with a Big Ten ride here
Speaker 3: in some of your thoughts Middle America, and then I
Speaker 3: guess on the left coast in a second as well.
Speaker 5: Within the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Well, I think when you look at the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: you said in the middle. So we'll start with Ohio State,
Speaker 1: probably the most explosive offense in the country. They got
Speaker 1: Julian sand Back who is a Heisman finalist one thousand
Speaker 1: year at Rushier and Bo Jackson best receiving corn College
Speaker 1: football like they have every year, led by Jeremiah Smith
Speaker 1: and the offensive line. I rated them slightly above average
Speaker 1: last year. This year I rate them the number two
Speaker 1: offensive line in the country, so they are loaded there defensively,
Speaker 1: top notch D line, and I know they lost the
Speaker 1: number two and a number six draft pick off the
Speaker 1: D line, but last year they lost two number ones
Speaker 1: and number two and a number five off the D line,
Speaker 1: so actually in better shape. Linebacking is big question mark.
Speaker 1: They lose two of the top eleven picks in the
Speaker 1: draft this year, and they also lose it that top
Speaker 1: notch corner who's in the top eleven picks, But it's
Speaker 1: an Ohio State team clearly capable of contending for it.
Speaker 1: You mentioned two new head coaches, and I think both
Speaker 1: coach Winningham of Michigan and coach Campbell of Penn State
Speaker 1: step into really good situations for Michigan. Kyle Willingham is
Speaker 1: a guy that runs is always the top notch offensive line,
Speaker 1: the top notch defense, top notch special teams, and he's
Speaker 1: got that here at Michigan. The offensive line I rate
Speaker 1: number eleven in the country, the defense overall, I rate
Speaker 1: number sixteen in the country, and he's got a good
Speaker 1: quarterback and Bryce Underwood, an offensive coordinator in Jason Beck
Speaker 1: that gets the most out of the talent on hands,
Speaker 1: so they're going to be dangerous this year. They do
Speaker 1: host Indiana to be a slight dog there and have
Speaker 1: to play Oregon and Ohio State on the road. There'll
Speaker 1: be an underdog in those three games, will pull one
Speaker 1: upset and they're a playoff contender. And then Penn State
Speaker 1: with Matt Campbell, brings over twenty five players with him
Speaker 1: from Iowa State, including his longtime quarterback in Rock Obeck,
Speaker 1: the entire receiving corps, his top running back in Carson Hanson.
Speaker 1: And then the schedule really nice for Penn State. No Indiana,
Speaker 1: no Oregon, and no Ohio State on the schedule. They
Speaker 1: do have to play Michigan and Washington on the road,
Speaker 1: and they get USC at home. But I think Penn
Speaker 1: State's another team from the Midwest, is a potential contender
Speaker 1: for the Big Ten playoff spot. We are getting previewed
Speaker 1: for college football with the Phil Steele kind enough to
Speaker 1: join us right now, so I'm sure Crimson Tide fans
Speaker 1: would probably dispute this. But is Lincoln Riley on the
Speaker 1: hottest seat in college football this season as a head coach.
Speaker 1: He's on the hot seat, but I think he gets
Speaker 1: off at this year and here's why. When I talked
Speaker 1: to coach Riley going over the roster with him, he
Speaker 1: feels this is the best defense he has had since
Speaker 1: he's been to USC. Brings in a defensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: Gary Patterson, who one of the best defensive minds in
Speaker 1: the game. I rate their offensive line number five in
Speaker 1: the country. They've got Jaydon Mayava back at quarterback. Last year,
Speaker 1: the running back corp was banged up Waymon Jordan went
Speaker 1: down the injury. They less their number two. They're number three.
Speaker 1: I'll walk on King Miller rush for nearly a thousand yards. Well,
Speaker 1: King Miller's back, Wayman Jordan's back. They had in a
Speaker 1: couple of vhds. This a loaded USC team both offense
Speaker 1: and defense. And the biggest games of the year Oregon
Speaker 1: and Ohio State, they get them both at home. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind last year they were seven to zero
Speaker 1: at home. So if they take care of business upset
Speaker 1: one of those two teams at home, they've got a
Speaker 1: shot of making the playoff. And that's really what we
Speaker 1: keep Lincoln Riley off the hot seat, getting USC back
Speaker 1: to the playoff. And keep in mind last year when
Speaker 1: they traveled the face Oregon at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Had they won that game, they would have made the playoff.
Speaker 1: They just were playing in the autstin Stadium. Now getting
Speaker 1: Oregon at home, I think that's going to be huge.
Speaker 3: Would you give Dante Moore the nod for the best
Speaker 3: quarterback in the Big Ten?
Speaker 5: Or is that Julian saying going in I'm going to go.
Speaker 1: With Dante Moore for the fact he would have been
Speaker 1: the second pick in the NFL Draft this year had
Speaker 1: he gone into the draft. You take a look at
Speaker 1: a guy that's got all the everything you want from
Speaker 1: a quarterback. He's got the experience as well. And remember
Speaker 1: last year his receiving core Evan Stewart missed most of
Speaker 1: the year to Corey and Moore miss half the year
Speaker 1: with injury. Those guys are both back. They've got McClellan back,
Speaker 1: one of the best tight ends in the country and
Speaker 1: Jamari Johnson and a top notch offensive for line in
Speaker 1: front of him, which are rate number eight. So I
Speaker 1: think dot Taey Moore is going to have a big year. Now,
Speaker 1: they do have to play Ohio State on the road.
Speaker 1: They also play USC on the road, and that's going
Speaker 1: to be tricky, and they also have Illinois, but I
Speaker 1: think when you look at Oregon, they could very well
Speaker 1: become the fourth different Big Ten team in four years
Speaker 1: to win a national title.
Speaker 3: Phil, what do you like Washington? And then what do
Speaker 3: you think about one of the old standbys, certainly in
Speaker 3: the Big Ten that is Kirk Farrence and Iowa City
Speaker 3: with the hawk Gys this.
Speaker 1: Season, Yeah, Jed Fish did not step into a great
Speaker 1: situation his first year, had a completely rebuilt roster somehow
Speaker 1: got him to a Bowl game even though they were
Speaker 1: coming off a national championship. It wasn't high on them,
Speaker 1: but last year got them the nine wins. Demand Williams
Speaker 1: is back and I'm not going to worry about what
Speaker 1: happened in the offseason. He's got the team completely behind him.
Speaker 1: That's all water under the bridge right now. They've got
Speaker 1: the offensive line and the defense. I think when you
Speaker 1: look at Washington with after Week ten this year, they're
Speaker 1: in the mix for a playoff spot. But their final
Speaker 1: two games they host Indiana and travel to Oregon. I
Speaker 1: think that knocks them out of the playoff spot, but
Speaker 1: they'll be a contender during the year. And with Iowa,
Speaker 1: I just have so much admiration for coach Farence and
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Phil Parker. I mean, they lose a lot
Speaker 1: off the defensive side of the ball, but you know,
Speaker 1: Phil Parker, I haven't playing one of the best defenses
Speaker 1: in the country. Offensively, they lose their quarterback. And here's
Speaker 1: showing my respect level for coach Fernce the special teams.
Speaker 1: They lose their kick returner, punt returner, punter, kicker, and
Speaker 1: on top of that, they lose the special teams. Coach
Speaker 1: I still rank them a top ten special teams and
Speaker 1: they'll develop it somehow, some way, somehow. And Iowa last
Speaker 1: year was within four plays of actually being unbeaten. Their
Speaker 1: four losses last year were all by seven by less
Speaker 1: than seven points. So I think he'll have them being
Speaker 1: the solid team once again this year.
Speaker 3: And in Kurt Signetti, it's interesting to note that one
Speaker 3: of the toughest accomplishments he felt a year ago on
Speaker 3: the way to the national title was that game in
Speaker 3: Iowa City that the Hoosiers, if you remember the regular season,
Speaker 3: had to survive.
Speaker 5: That was a year ago.
Speaker 3: It's Phil Steele with us right now, despite the new
Speaker 3: ad and a foot in the mouth situation. During the
Speaker 3: introductory press conference yesterday at West Lafayette. I think Barry
Speaker 3: Odom has done and said all the right things going
Speaker 3: into year number two now in West Lafayette. What's on
Speaker 3: the horizon for this rebuilt Boilermaker team that hopefully, in
Speaker 3: the minds of the Boilermaker fans there takes it up
Speaker 3: a notch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they didn't add as many transfers as last year,
Speaker 1: and didn't add as many transfers after spring as last year.
Speaker 1: In fact, without the second spring port a win, probably
Speaker 1: more of a team atmosphere. In fact, I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you JMV. When I talked to the coaches this year,
Speaker 1: they would all say, Phil, how you doing. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. There's no second spring portal window. I
Speaker 1: have to rewrite one hundred and thirty eight teams all
Speaker 1: in the month of May. But each coach told me
Speaker 1: they felt more like a team this spring because the
Speaker 1: team that they took into the spring, they knew where
Speaker 1: they're going to be taken into the season. They could
Speaker 1: coach them harder. They could list the guy third string
Speaker 1: and then he's not going to transfer. The players could
Speaker 1: bond together knowing their buddy was going to leave after
Speaker 1: spring practice, and the players didn't have to be about
Speaker 1: worry about being replaced after spring practice with the second
Speaker 1: portal window. So I think we're going to see a
Speaker 1: better brand of football around and I think produced one
Speaker 1: of those teams to be affected by that because last
Speaker 1: year they brought in so many players post spring it
Speaker 1: was tough to get that team together. But the schedule's brutal.
Speaker 1: They played the ninth toughest schedule in the country. It's
Speaker 1: going to be tough to win a lot of games
Speaker 1: this year. I don't see him getting too a bowl game,
Speaker 1: but I do think they'll be more competitive. And I
Speaker 1: like Ryan Brown at the quarterback spot. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that I think, you know last year he came in
Speaker 1: after spring practice was over, transferred back in and tried
Speaker 1: to learn the offense. I think fare better this year
Speaker 1: in his second year in the offense.
Speaker 3: That is Phil Steele College Football Preview. He's getting this
Speaker 3: updated here via the Eddy Moore Automatic Group Potline. You've
Speaker 3: talked about a lot of really good quarterbacks across the
Speaker 3: nation so far. What are your thoughts on CJ. Carr
Speaker 3: and the fighting Irish of Notre Dame going into this season?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm rather high on this group. In fact, I
Speaker 1: picked him number one in the country. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at CJ. Carry, he was the star
Speaker 1: of the Manning Passing Academy. He's the Heisman front runner
Speaker 1: right now and did well in his first year as
Speaker 1: a starter. Had a twenty four to six ratio last year,
Speaker 1: and now he's a veteran quarterback. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about Notre Dame. First of all, I'm on
Speaker 1: the Joe Moore Award Committee, so I value offensive line play.
Speaker 1: And when you look at their offensive line with Craig
Speaker 1: Jagasaw Napa Lambert all NFL caliber offensive linement, I rate
Speaker 1: them the number one offensive line in the country. You
Speaker 1: look at the receiving corps, Jordan Faison's back, Greathhouse missed
Speaker 1: most of last year with injury. He's back, and they
Speaker 1: had a couple of Ohio state transfers and Milond Graham
Speaker 1: and Quincy Porter. I think that's a dynamic receiving corps
Speaker 1: this year. And I know they lose Love and Price,
Speaker 1: but I like the running backs they have, and with
Speaker 1: this offense, you're going to see some running backs emerge. Defensively.
Speaker 1: Last year, they held opponents to ninety five yards per
Speaker 1: game below their average, and they have nine starters back
Speaker 1: my number five d line, number one linebackers, number one DBS.
Speaker 1: I rate them the best defense in the country. Special
Speaker 1: teams have got number four in the country. And then
Speaker 1: factor in the schedule, I rate it the number sixty
Speaker 1: six schedule. The two toughest games are at BYU and
Speaker 1: home against Miami. Other than that, I've got him a
Speaker 1: two touchdown favorite in every single game. Their model this
Speaker 1: year is leave no doubt, and I think the Irish
Speaker 1: will leave no doubt. I think they dominate the regular season.
Speaker 1: Now the key is getting by that bye week. Only
Speaker 1: one coach has been able to manage the bye week situation,
Speaker 1: you know, having three four weeks off while your opponent
Speaker 1: just played last week. That was coach Signetti. Can Marcus
Speaker 1: Freeman overcome that same obstacle?
Speaker 3: So Phil Steele with us? All right, continue down the
Speaker 3: quarterback road here. You mentioned arch Manning, arch Manning and
Speaker 3: Austin with the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: You know last year didn't have a great supporting cast,
Speaker 1: only a one returning starter on the offensive line. His
Speaker 1: top running back had five hundred and ninety seven yards.
Speaker 1: This year, they've got a veteran offensive line now rank
Speaker 1: into the top twenty. You look at the receiving corps,
Speaker 1: not only have Brian Wingo and them at Mooseley back,
Speaker 1: but they had in Cam Cameron from Auburn, one of
Speaker 1: the more underutilized wide receivers in the country and one
Speaker 1: of the best out there. You look at the running
Speaker 1: back corps, they had in two thousand yard rushers Hollywood's
Speaker 1: Mothers from Menci State and Relike Brown from Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Last year, arch Manning got better as the season went on.
Speaker 1: I thought in the Bowl and even late in the
Speaker 1: year he was playing great football, much better the start
Speaker 1: of the year. I look for that to continue. So
Speaker 1: with the better supporting cast, I think it'll be one
Speaker 1: of the top quarterbacks in the country. Then defensively it's
Speaker 1: a top ten defense. I've got Colin Simmons back at
Speaker 1: De Hero Canoe inside, and then how about adding Rashine Biles,
Speaker 1: an All American mindbacker from pitt This is a very
Speaker 1: talented Texas team. Now they do play the toughest schedule
Speaker 1: in the country, not only nine SEC games, but also
Speaker 1: Ohio State, but I think they're capable of getting to
Speaker 1: the SEC Title game and perhaps winning it. I think
Speaker 1: they're a legitimate national title contender.
Speaker 3: We saw the Hurricanes lose the national title game back
Speaker 3: in January. They are loaded up once again and Fletcher
Speaker 3: and Tony Malachi Tony is one of my favorites across
Speaker 3: the college football landscape. As far as excitement is concerned.
Speaker 3: What do you think about the Hurricanes first navigating the season,
Speaker 3: possibly getting back to the playoffs again, then making another
Speaker 3: run as they did a year ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I live in Cleveland and we're looking for
Speaker 1: a quarterback next year, and there's I can't remember a
Speaker 1: quarterback class like the one we're having now. You got
Speaker 1: to figure the Heisman winners a quarterback, right, But if not,
Speaker 1: it might just be Malachi Tony. Because this guy not
Speaker 1: only is a dangerous receiver, he's a dangerous runner. He
Speaker 1: was the fourth leading rusher last year. He threw seven
Speaker 1: passes last year. He's a dangerous punt returner averaged thirteen
Speaker 1: yards per punp return and went surprised at me if
Speaker 1: they get him involved in the kick returns as well.
Speaker 1: So there's a dark horse Heisman possibility for you. Now
Speaker 1: they add in Darien Mensai quarterback who I think can
Speaker 1: even maybe top Carson beck stats from last year. And
Speaker 1: they also had in Cooper Barcade his top receiver. You
Speaker 1: look at them defensively, yes, they lose Bain and Messador,
Speaker 1: but they're talented on the defensive side. If you have
Speaker 1: one question mark with Miami, it's the offensive line. They
Speaker 1: have just one starter back. However, I've been talking to
Speaker 1: Mario Christoball since his day's back at Florida International. This
Speaker 1: guy always has a top notch offensive line. He'll develop one.
Speaker 1: Miami's the most talented team in the ACC. They do
Speaker 1: have to play Notre Dame on the road. I've got
Speaker 1: him a slight underdog there, but I've got him favored
Speaker 1: all the other games. And once they get to the playoff,
Speaker 1: they've got that playoff experience now. And heck, they gave
Speaker 1: Notre Dame a heck of a game or not our
Speaker 1: name Indiana heck of a game last year in the
Speaker 1: title game.
Speaker 3: Yep, Phil, I'm curious here regarding the SEC. We'll get
Speaker 3: back to that for a moment.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 3: The expectations for Lane Kiffin and Baton Rouge or the
Speaker 3: half twos in Tusco looser for Kalin de Boar this season,
Speaker 3: what's of the highest priorities in those two situations.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the hype is going to be
Speaker 1: on Lane Kiffin and LSU. They might be close to
Speaker 1: the top ten when the season begins. But the thing
Speaker 1: that concerns me is the massive transfer portal turnover. They've
Speaker 1: had sixty plus transfers come in. You know, last year
Speaker 1: Texas Tech had the number one portal class, but that
Speaker 1: portal class was topped on top of my number five
Speaker 1: most experienced team in the country. Lane Kiffin's got the
Speaker 1: number one portal class on top of the number ninety
Speaker 1: three most experienced team in the country, and they have
Speaker 1: a brutal schedule. I think they may not be the
Speaker 1: national title contender a lot are calling for. Meanwhile, Alabama's
Speaker 1: way under the radar. You look at the fact that
Speaker 1: last year they got blown out by Georgie, blown out
Speaker 1: by Indiana, couldn't run the football in the postseason, and
Speaker 1: lose Ty Simpson. Nobody likes them. They're number six in
Speaker 1: the SEC media poll at the start of the year. However,
Speaker 1: Kellen de Boor's in year three, He's got talent throughout.
Speaker 1: I like both Keelon Russell and Austin Mack. I think
Speaker 1: whoever wins the job could be a Heisman contender at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. They will get a run game.
Speaker 1: They've got Daniel Hill, EJ. Croll, Kevin Riley, ak Dear.
Speaker 1: The emphasis was on it in the spring. Ryan Coleman
Speaker 1: Williams heading off the year last year with eleven drops.
Speaker 1: He's got a chip on his shoulder. He'll return the
Speaker 1: defense solid. They're bigger, bigger upront on the D line
Speaker 1: and the entire secondary returns. And when I look at
Speaker 1: their schedule this year, they got them favorite in nine
Speaker 1: games and three toss up games. The toss up games
Speaker 1: are home against Georgia, at Tennessee at LSU. I think
Speaker 1: those all in the winnable category. I think Alabama's going
Speaker 1: to surprise a lot of folks this year.
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Speaker 5: Mike Elko, I think is a talented coach.
Speaker 3: He did win eleven straight with Texas anim a year ago,
Speaker 3: and then I think most noted.
Speaker 5: We remember the two that they lost in a row
Speaker 5: down the stretch.
Speaker 3: What type of team will the Aggies have, especially those
Speaker 3: in return and Mike Elko once again coming up this year.
Speaker 1: Very talented. Now they got to get Marcel Red to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more consistent for starters, but he
Speaker 1: can be a dangerous quarterback. They've got Mario Krabbecker receiver.
Speaker 1: They had in Isaiah Horton from Alabama. You know, my
Speaker 1: biggest question mark with A and M probably goes back
Speaker 1: to the offensive line, just one starter back there. When
Speaker 1: I talked to coach Elko his first year, he said
Speaker 1: the offensive line was middle of the road to the SEC.
Speaker 1: Last year he said it was at the top of
Speaker 1: the SEC, and it was. They were nearly a Jill
Speaker 1: Moore Award finalist. This year is back towards the middle
Speaker 1: of the road with the potential to get up there
Speaker 1: if the offensive line comes around. I think they're a
Speaker 1: legitimate playoff contender. And I'm going to agree with the GMV.
Speaker 1: I think that Mike Elko is one heck of a
Speaker 1: head coach always gets the most out of the talent
Speaker 1: on hand.
Speaker 5: It does see exactly like that too.
Speaker 3: All right before we pop up the magazine or I
Speaker 3: shouldn't say in this case where we can go online
Speaker 3: to find all of your material. I got to ask
Speaker 3: you Heisman Trophy race this season. You mentioned the quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: and they're a lot, but there are some skill position players.
Speaker 3: We talked about Malakai Tony, but Jeremiah Smith of Ohio
Speaker 3: State is absolutely stand alone I think in that category.
Speaker 5: How do you expect this race to end come December?
Speaker 1: Wow? At this point it is a pure tossup because
Speaker 1: you could say arch Manning, Dante more CJ Carr, Trendent Chambliss,
Speaker 1: Julian Sayan, Jeremiah Smith, Darien Mensa, Josh Hoover of Indiana,
Speaker 1: and then we talked about Malachay Tony. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: a long shot at you. Any of those other ones
Speaker 1: could win it. I'm going to say, here's a long shot.
Speaker 1: Gunner Stockton at Georgia twenty to one odds right now,
Speaker 1: and he's best in big games sixteen and two versus
Speaker 1: ranked teams solid and fourth down south in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: and they've got the schedule to potentially be close to
Speaker 1: undefeated at the end of the year. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go with the long shot Gunnerstock at twenty to one,
Speaker 1: even though you know the other ones, I have a
Speaker 1: better chance of winning it. Right now, the preseason favorite
Speaker 1: is CJ. Carve Notre Dame.
Speaker 5: You are the absolute best. Phil.
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Speaker 3: Seriously, I can't thank you enough, and you do all
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Speaker 1: I appreciate I always enjoy our conversations each and every summer.
Speaker 5: You got a pal.
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