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Speaker 1: Okay, how about this for.

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Speaker 2: A resume of college basketball programs with which you've been

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Speaker 2: affiliated the Florida Gators, South Florida Bulls, Marshall Stetson, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Southern USC, Florida International SMU, and now chirp the ball

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Speaker 2: State Cardinals because Chris kpco who joins us on the

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Speaker 2: Joba House Colebrew Coffee guest line, is the new headman's

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Speaker 2: basketball coach up in Monseye and Worth an arena for

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Speaker 2: ball State, and joins us on the program coach, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: That's a little bit all over the place.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I like it, though, Man, those spots I've been everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna put you on the spot and do

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Speaker 2: some Johnny Cash and see if you could actually name

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Speaker 2: them in order, but that would probably be I couldn't

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Speaker 2: do that with the places if I had to coach,

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Speaker 2: If I had to list all the places in which

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Speaker 2: I failed college classes, we'd be here all day.

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Speaker 4: Right, so you didn't fail up?

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Speaker 2: But well, let's begin with this. And I'm always curious

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Speaker 2: of this. You know, when you now take over a

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Speaker 2: the head of a program, and you've been through all

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Speaker 2: of those places, do you which of those programs do

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Speaker 2: the one that most influenced me.

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Speaker 5: Well, that one, for me in particular is easy, just

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Speaker 5: because just out of sheer years, you know, that was USC.

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Speaker 4: I was there for ten years and.

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Speaker 5: Then just basically the trajectory of it taking over the program,

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Speaker 5: it was not in a great spot. You know, everyone

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Speaker 5: knows a USC the brand, whether it's academically or football,

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Speaker 5: but from a basketball standpoint, the program was not great.

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Speaker 5: When Coachinfield took over and I was on his initial staff,

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Speaker 5: and then where we left it eleven years later, you know,

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Speaker 5: for me, you know, I went from being an opsky

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Speaker 5: culminating us making four straight NCAA tournaments. So I went

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Speaker 5: through a lot and take great pride in what we

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Speaker 2: And for that reason, I wanted to get more into

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Speaker 2: this why Ball State? What was it about? You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming over the course of your journey when you're

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Speaker 1: What was it about this opportunity?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, answer this the same way every time people ask me.

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Speaker 5: And I know it doesn't make sense to a lot

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Speaker 5: of people just geographically where I'm from and where else

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Speaker 5: of my time at. But with the way the landscape

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Speaker 5: is now, there's just more pressure on coaches to win games.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: We have external stakeholders that we have to answer to

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Speaker 5: because of the money now that's in play. And for me,

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Speaker 5: I think whether you're a first time head coach or

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Speaker 5: Really, the only thing you can ask for is alignment,

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Speaker 5: and with that alignment comes are they doing? Is your

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: I don't know if everyone's always going to have the

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Speaker 4: And I knew early on that I.

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Speaker 5: Was Jeff's guy, Jeff Mitchell's guy, just the way he spoke,

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Speaker 5: And then I felt confident with some of the data

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Speaker 2: You know, the NIL are obviously the key three letters here, right.

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Speaker 2: Coach Chris capcous my guest, the new ball State head

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Speaker 2: When you look at NIL in building a program at

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Speaker 2: Ball State? I love Worthing Arena. I was there a

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Speaker 2: it's great. I love it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: Are you competing from an NIL standpoint? Are you simply

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Speaker 1: In other words, do you have the resources?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I have the resource, but I don't have the resources

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Speaker 5: Gone are the old days where you just use your

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Speaker 4: Because that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 5: We aren't going to be able to outbid everybody, but

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Speaker 5: We can't miss on a bunch of guys when we

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Speaker 2: You know, would you look at you know, out of

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Speaker 2: I'm guilty of I'm an insomniac and I come up

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Speaker 1: Think I'm crazy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you would know, let me give you one

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Speaker 2: not going to begin and heavily favor the power Force

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Speaker 2: that really limits what can be done for the non

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Speaker 1: Am I totally off base?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean that was the debate

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Speaker 5: Right going into the tournament, was Miami of Ohio or

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Speaker 4: Right, to me, a team that goes thirty one and

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Speaker 4: oh deserves to be in. I don't care who they played.

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Speaker 5: Three they have how many quad fours they have. If

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Speaker 4: But then you look at the seedless they went.

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Speaker 5: Thirty one and one and they were the last four

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Speaker 4: I don't remember that. I could be wrong, but I

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Speaker 5: Right, But I also do get it from the standpoint

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Speaker 4: Be as strategic as we can. So then when you

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Speaker 5: It in the broader sense, right, having qual one time

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Speaker 4: I see it both ways, but I think the committee

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Speaker 5: Miami Ohio deserved to be in. When you go thirty

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Speaker 5: if they were thirty and one, they deserve to be in.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know where you draw the line at.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I said, coach. I think if you go unbeaten,

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Speaker 2: I don't care what league you're in. If you go

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Speaker 2: seeing teams that are familiar with your pattern. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: different than going out and stepping away and keeping a

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Speaker 2: to me, that gets you an automatic qualifier. There are

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like to me, it's that

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Speaker 2: They were taking on the Lakers. Chris Kapko's my guest

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Speaker 2: who had basketball coach at Ball State? And I'm watching

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Speaker 2: Bronnie James. You had him at USC. What was he

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Speaker 5: He was incredible, incredible any time when more kids and

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Speaker 5: parents are entitled than ever. Lebron never called us once,

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Speaker 5: He never texted coach, he never called coach. He never

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Speaker 5: complained about playing time, he never tried to insert his influence,

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Speaker 5: he never He was completely out of the way. And then,

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Speaker 5: But I've seen enough of for Due to know that

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Speaker 2: Coach In conclusion, here is part of Who's Your Hospitality.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to ask you a couple of quick

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Speaker 1: You ready, you got it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, first sports poster you had on your wall when

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Speaker 4: Who Larry Bird?

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Speaker 1: It's a good answer around here. Did they tippy out?

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Speaker 4: That was from Massachusetts?

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Speaker 5: And I know he's from Indiana, but my dad was

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Speaker 2: Well that's have you ever met Larry Bird? I assume

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Speaker 2: Your predecessor at Ball State, Michael Lewis, who himself of Who'sier,

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Speaker 1: Be what.

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Speaker 5: If it's in the middle of the day, it's a corona.

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Speaker 1: Okay, non, no wrong, lime or no lime in.

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Speaker 2: The corona Lime gotta have a line? Okay, best concert

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Speaker 2: Musical artists most likely to be found on your playlist.

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Speaker 4: If I hit shuffle, Little Wayne, I probably threw you

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Speaker 1: No, it's not bad, okay, Lil Wayne. All right? Okay,

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Speaker 2: It's a February day, You're not feeling well, You've got

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Speaker 1: You let the guys have the day off. You're flipping

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Speaker 2: Your newborn is taking a nap, and so you're flipping

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Speaker 4: I just watched it the other day. A centuripeed Detective.

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, Okay, Ace Venture Okay, Then the last one,

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Speaker 2: and let's say not name the Boston Celtics or the

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Speaker 4: By USC football. Yeah, spent ten years there USC football.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to argue, man, pretty hard argue.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I myself think that Fat Burger is better than

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Speaker 2: I hope you feel at home, and we certainly love

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Speaker 1: I would love to have you back on coach.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much, guys. I'd love to be back on anytime.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Chris CapCo, the new head basketball coach at Ball State.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy actually that turned down a Faara

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Speaker 1: Hello Mac.

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Speaker 3: Think the bad part about it is I still have

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Speaker 1: I could still remember what half of them were, right.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't he He was dressed up kind of

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Speaker 3: That was the one I loved, mac.

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Speaker 2: It was literally in that time frame, you know, there

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Speaker 2: what in the world you know there are there are

444
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Speaker 2: a ton of examples of that. I mean, but then again,

445
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Speaker 2: back then, we also, you know, we were all eating

446
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Speaker 2: play though you know what I mean.

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a different probably a different world.

448
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Speaker 2: The other one I had was a poster that said

449
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Speaker 2: MVP and PI and it was Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton.

450
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Speaker 2: I had no affiliation to the Philadelphia Phillies, but Mike

451
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Speaker 2: Schmidt's bat was on fire and Steve Carlton's baseball was

452
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Speaker 2: on fire, and I thought they were the coolest things

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Speaker 2: ever loved.

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Speaker 1: All.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is, at one point in your life,

456
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Speaker 3: I remember you told me when you did it, either

457
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Speaker 3: you your mom or your dad, you threw all that

458
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Speaker 3: stuff away. Now you would give anything to go and

459
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Speaker 3: get a couple of those I had.

460
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Speaker 2: I also had penance, you know that we'd go to

461
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Speaker 2: Johnny's Sports them Johnny's Sports Nostalgia in Nashville, Indianna, Brown County,

462
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Speaker 2: and I'd get all of those penance. And I love,

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, I love my dad is the one that

464
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Speaker 2: got rid of most of that once I was, you know,

465
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Speaker 2: out of the house or whatever else. And that's the

466
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Speaker 2: one thing, without question that I would love to go

467
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Speaker 2: back and have a lot of that. But Mac, let's

468
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Speaker 2: get to tonight. It is purduing Texas in the sweet sixteen. You,

469
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Speaker 2: obviously in Fort Worth have seen your fair amount of

470
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Speaker 2: the Longhorns. What is Purdue getting into tonight in terms

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Speaker 2: of what sort of a team or what style are

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Speaker 2: we going to see out of Texas?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Can I how much time we have on this segment?

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see, I'm off the air at three, so

475
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Speaker 2: we got to squeeze in a couple of breaks because I.

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Speaker 3: Came prepared with this detail. And one thing about Jake

477
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Speaker 3: that most people don't know is that Jake's alter ego

478
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Speaker 3: then staffle with is one of the two people to

479
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Speaker 3: contribute the questions and the answers to the popular TV

480
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Speaker 3: hit game show Jeopardy. And here's the thing about Jake.

481
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Speaker 3: He does it without the use of books or the internet,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, all this random, useless stuff off the top

483
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Speaker 3: of his head. And I came across one that I thought,

484
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Speaker 3: you know, I might be able to stomp Jake. Do

485
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Speaker 3: you know the NCAA tournament history detail that is an

486
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Speaker 3: infamous moment involving Texas basketball and Purdue basketball, and specifically

487
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Speaker 3: head coach Gene Katie when you and I were juniors

488
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Speaker 3: in high school.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Purdue is the number one seed in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety n Cuba Tournament and lost in the

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Speaker 2: first round to Texas, first or second round to Texas.

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Speaker 2: And Texas and I got to think they had two

493
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Speaker 2: players that were drafted that year in the first round

494
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Speaker 2: of the draft or in the ninety or ninety one draft.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely nineteen ninety in the NCAA tournament. And

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Speaker 2: if you gave me the initials of the backcourt for Texas,

497
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Speaker 2: I'd be able to tell you. But that was a

498
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Speaker 2: cinderella story for Purdue that year. I believe that was

499
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Speaker 2: Steven Scheffler's group and they were upset in the tournament,

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Speaker 2: and it might have even been in the Dome.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Mistaken, you are in ninety percent right. You would get

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Speaker 3: an a on that answer.

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Speaker 2: I didn't give it in the form of a question, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: but go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I kind of failed at that. The Texas at reguards,

507
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Speaker 3: they were the ten seed. Purdue was the two seed

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Speaker 3: to the Whoosier Dome. Texas pad three guards under Tom Penders,

509
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Speaker 3: Travis Mays.

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Speaker 1: Joey Lance Lance Blakes. There we go. Yep.

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Speaker 3: They combined for fifty six of Texas to seventy three

512
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Speaker 3: points and one point win over the two seed Purdue

513
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Speaker 3: boiler Makers, which was indeed led by Steve Steffler. Then

514
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Speaker 3: needed to give me your best, Don Fister, and give

515
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Speaker 3: me Joe Hillman driving baseline and getting that weak blank

516
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Speaker 3: stuff thrown back in his face by Steve Steffler at

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Speaker 3: Mackey Arena.

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Speaker 1: So across the timeline Joe Hillman to the right. Hillman

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Speaker 1: got a stop.

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Speaker 2: Now fires inside blocked by Steven Scheffler and Purdue comes

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Speaker 2: the other way.

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Speaker 1: That's a good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Been a long time ss I've done by Don Fisher.

524
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Speaker 2: I used to be able to do it better, but

525
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Speaker 2: I do know this, Uh great at it. Tony Jones

526
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Speaker 2: would have been in the back court for Purdue that

527
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Speaker 2: day as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost at the gun. They had Tony Jones

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Speaker 3: and Woody Austin Stucky White and they lost at the

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Speaker 3: gun on a three pointer that hit the front of

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Speaker 3: the ram. And after the game, gmkd law his stuff

532
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Speaker 3: at the press convictor he slammed the fifth fou. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 3: we do things the right way. We don't cheat. And

534
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Speaker 3: he was so mad because, uh, you know, they had

535
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Speaker 3: been upstaged by You might remember the Ball State Cardinals,

536
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Speaker 3: which went to the Sweet sixteen last year and was

537
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Speaker 3: the only team to give that Larry Johnson UNLV team.

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Speaker 2: A game seven point loss to un L V Paris McCurdy,

539
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Speaker 2: Sean Parrish, and of course Chandler Thompson, great Taylor Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Billy, butch yep. So this Texas team that you're

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Speaker 3: going to see tonight is not that Texas team under

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Speaker 3: Tom Penders. This is a more a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And if you're familiar with Sean Miller, who's the head

544
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Speaker 3: coach at UT now in his first year, uh he

545
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Speaker 3: uh he he toasted I which they similar to Matt

546
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Speaker 3: Painter at Purdue. This is not an up and down team.

547
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Speaker 3: This is a really solid, defensive oriented team. They've got

548
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Speaker 3: a big, big guy in the middle, a guy named

549
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Speaker 3: Mattis Voku. Titus was the seven footer averages about fifteen

550
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Speaker 3: and eight a game, So a lot of stuff is

551
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Speaker 3: going to have. People are going to have trouble going

552
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Speaker 3: at the rim against him. He had a great game

553
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Speaker 3: in the previous win against I think with Gonzaga. But

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Speaker 3: this is a thoud team that if they get to seventy,

555
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Speaker 3: they might they might win But to me, Jake, they

556
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Speaker 3: are reflective of what will now be the new world

557
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Speaker 3: of the NCAA Tournament, which is not the mid major

558
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Speaker 3: getting in, but a pretty good team from a power

559
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Speaker 3: conference that slides into the tournament and can makes the

560
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Speaker 3: noise because they've got some pretty talented players. If you

561
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Speaker 3: look at this Texas team, they were one of the

562
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Speaker 3: last teams in. They really only had two quality wins

563
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Speaker 3: all season. They finished five hundred in the STC. The

564
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Speaker 3: only good wins were against Alabama and Vanderbilt. This team

565
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Speaker 3: lost to Arizona State and they barely got in, and

566
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Speaker 3: they barely beat Empty State in the playing game, and

567
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Speaker 3: they do but they do have a couple of good

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Speaker 3: players that you better keep your eye on. You can't

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Speaker 3: sleep on daylyn thwe he's very good and he's he's

570
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: one of those guys can get a double double on

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Speaker 3: you pretty quick. And then the other one, I think,

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Speaker 3: I think people are probably gonna remember Jordan Pope. He

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Speaker 3: played at Purdue. He's one of the few guys. The

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Speaker 3: one thing about this Purdue team, Jake, they're not deep.

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Speaker 3: They go two or three off the bench and that's

576
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Speaker 3: about it. So if any of these guys get in

577
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Speaker 3: filed couple. Texas is going to be. Texas is gonna

578
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Speaker 3: have a hard time. But Jordan Pope is probably the

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Speaker 3: best three point shooter. And then the other guy, he's

580
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Speaker 3: a sixth year player, which is ridiculous, but it's the norm. Now.

581
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Speaker 3: This guy's played at Houston Arkansas and that's Treman Mack.

582
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Speaker 3: He's he can be a problem for you, but he

583
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: can kind of shoot himself into problem and shoot himself

584
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Speaker 3: into he can he can easily convinced to take some

585
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Speaker 3: dumb nuts. But just looking at this game, I don't

586
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Speaker 3: I don't see how Texas wins because I don't think

587
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Speaker 3: there's anybody I don't think there's anybody on that team

588
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Speaker 3: who can give who can take away Braiden Smith. I

589
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: don't know if there's really anybody in college basketball right

590
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Speaker 3: there who can do what Braden Smith does.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his vision is obviously very good, right and

592
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Speaker 2: he has been the thing about Braden Smith that impresses

593
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Speaker 2: me mac is and this hasn't always been the case,

594
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Speaker 2: but I think it has been of late. He knows

595
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Speaker 2: when to go and he knows when to distribute. Does

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Speaker 2: that make sense? Like he he knows when there are

597
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Speaker 2: games where he's got to be the score and then

598
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Speaker 2: he knows when there are games where he's got to

599
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Speaker 2: be simply the distributor, and then he can score when

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Speaker 2: it's opportunistic for him to do.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: Was he the best player in Indiana this year Indiana

603
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Speaker 3: College Basketball?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think Smith might have been the best player

605
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Speaker 2: in the car. I mean, you know, going in he was.

606
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Speaker 2: He was the presumptive national player of the year, he

607
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Speaker 2: was the preseason player of the year. So yeah, he

608
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you look at Purdue in general,

609
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Speaker 2: Trey Kaufman Wren is a wonderful player and at times

610
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Speaker 2: has carried Purdue, but Smith has been their most consistent

611
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Speaker 2: player for sirt and yes, he would overshare. You know.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Wilkerson had a really good year.

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Speaker 2: In Indiana, truth be told, and was a big time

614
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Speaker 2: scorer for Indiana, but they integrative Reese, I think just

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Speaker 2: I think he was playing hurt most of the year,

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Speaker 2: so and Butler did.

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Speaker 1: Butler had.

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Speaker 2: You know, Butler obviously had a year that was an

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Speaker 2: off year and they were riddled by.

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Speaker 1: Injuries, so nobody was able to consistently.

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Speaker 2: I think if you were to say, over the course

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Speaker 2: of a consistency of the year, then yes, it would

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Speaker 2: be him.

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Speaker 3: And you know the great thing about when I was

625
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Speaker 3: when I've I've watched for do a little bit because

626
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Speaker 3: I'm you know you and I are about to stay age,

627
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Speaker 3: and I still can't get my head around that the

628
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Speaker 3: best basketball team in Indiana is Purdue and the best

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Speaker 3: college football team of the nation is Indiana. So when

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Speaker 3: I've watched Braden Smith, I thought that could be the

631
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Speaker 3: new modern college player who plays a long time because

632
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: there's real money to be there's there's consistent money to

633
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Speaker 3: be made now as a good college player. And the

634
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Speaker 3: thing that baffles me about him is that the average

635
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Speaker 3: nine in a college game where there's only forty minutes,

636
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Speaker 3: and to average fourteen points a game. Those are astounding statistics,

637
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Speaker 3: especially for an offense that is not like a team

638
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: that likes to score in the nineties. In the nineties,

639
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: you've got you know that you're almost increasing your dot

640
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: per game all not by two, but maybe by a

641
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: third more than your standard college offense. And when you

642
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 3: look at Purdue, they don't go go go. This is

643
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Speaker 3: not you know, Jerry Tarkanian or Billy Tubbs or any

644
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Speaker 3: some of those pipeline offenses that we thought certain points

645
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Speaker 3: in college basketball, and to average that that kind of

646
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Speaker 3: productivity at that level of efficiency because he's not screwing

647
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Speaker 3: up very much, is that? Those are astonishing stats to me.

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Speaker 2: But by the way, Mac, you are you're correct that

649
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: we're the same age, right, So we know each other's

650
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: history well and the you know one thing that we

651
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Speaker 2: have in common when it comes to you and I,

652
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Speaker 2: Neither one of us were scoring in the nineties either, right,

653
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Speaker 2: isn't that pretty accurate?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you can bind all of my attempts the

656
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Speaker 3: course of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, fair enough.

658
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Speaker 2: By the way, the Speedster's poster featured Steve Largent, Chris

659
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Speaker 2: Collinsworth and as well as that. And this is the

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Speaker 2: big one here, right, going back to the Saint Louis Cardinals.

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00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Wow, Pat Tilly is that right?

662
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

663
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: The Saint Louis Football Cardinals played with Roy Green. He

664
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: was he was the opposite of Roy Green. Roy Green

665
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: must have something to do that day, so they sent

666
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: Pat instead. There here go do this poster. Who's your

667
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: final four?

668
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Mac? Oh? God, uh, I hate to say this because

669
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: I know everybody's whining and complaining about about there's no

670
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: mid majors anymore. And I think before I give that

671
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: really boring answer, wasn't it a few years ago we

672
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: had Florida Atlantic, San Diego State, Yukon, and who is

673
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: the other one? Uh three mid majors Dian Diego State,

674
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: Florida Atlantic.

675
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Texas, Texas Tech went in there where they hold on

676
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: the mat Tech.

677
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: It was another mid major. And the ratings for it

678
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: were absolutely god awful. Correct?

679
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Correct? I mean, yes, that's the thing. We love the

680
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Cinderella story, but the ratings go up as the blue

681
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: bloods are there, right.

682
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And it broke my heart. It absolutely broke

683
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: my heart because I want to see listen, this tournament.

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: The end of this tournament has always been Walmart versus

685
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: Goldman Facts or Target versus Bank of America. It's always

686
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: been that way.

687
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: Miami Florida, by the way, it was Miami, Florida, Yukon

688
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: at Florida Atlantic and San Diego State.

689
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, the Miami one doesn't really count, but

690
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: from a just little basketball standpoint, Miami wasn't in part

691
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: of that. But anyways, nobody watched. The ratings for it

692
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: were as bad as they ever were And the part

693
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 3: that breaks my heart about this tournament is that what

694
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: made it is the chance of an outset Valparaiso getting

695
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: to the sweep sixteen, fall State going on a run

696
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: and giving Vegas a game of its life. That's what

697
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 3: made this tournament. So when I look at this field now,

698
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, and that's the way it's becoming. I know,

699
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: people boy in anil the transfer portal or Copperans consolidation

700
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call it. So you know,

701
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: when I looked at this tournament, I have thought Arizona

702
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: because Arizona's in the Big twelve and I'm in the

703
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: Big twelve. I live in the Big twelve area, so

704
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: I see him a lot. I thought Arizona would get

705
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: to the final four. I thought Duke would get to

706
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: the final four. I think Duke is better than Yukon.

707
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: I think Duke is really really good, although I think

708
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Saint John's can give them a game. And on the

709
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: other side, I don't think Houston can score enough. So

710
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with Illinois getting in. I think

711
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: Illinois is going to be a final four team. And

712
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: then on the other side, I think Iowa State's going

713
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: to upset Michigan. I think Iowa State. Iowa State's going

714
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: right now, and I think they've got the favorable match

715
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: up against Tennessee. But I know it makes me sound

716
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: more than I am, but I think of all those

717
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: different ones, I think Iowa State's going to pull off

718
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: the biggest upset, even though they were a two sets.

719
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: So I've got Iowash State, Illinois Duke in Arizona. Yeah,

720
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: and I'll say Arizona will win at.

721
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: All when Iowa State plays well.

722
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw them going to Mackie and take

723
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: care of Purdue handily. And when they're playing well, they're

724
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: as good as anybody in college basketball. But it seems

725
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: like they are also prone to the off day as

726
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: much as any of the elites.

727
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: But we shall see what happens, all right.

728
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: Mac will let you get back to your constant cowboy coverage,

729
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: but I appreciate the information and the trip down memory lane.

730
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: When it comes to the Texas Longhorns, I can't believe

731
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: I didn't remember the names other than Lance Blanks, but

732
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: I did eventually get Lance Blanks.

733
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Speaker 3: I still got an a artist totill way. But thanks

734
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: for having me on.

735
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. MK Kingo from the four fourst Start Telegram.

736
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Speaker 2: Tony East joins us from locked on Pacers, Forbes, WTHR

737
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: number of different places, Tony, do you get the impression?

738
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Speaker 1: And I do.

739
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: If I'm coming down on a fast break in the NBA,

740
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: I ask people this all the time, Tony in the NBA,

741
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: and I'll get your thought on this. Okay, if you

742
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: went out right now in an NBA game, pacers put

743
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: you in uniform, They put you out there, and you've

744
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: got to play the entire game. All you have to

745
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: do is score field goal and you get a million dollars?

746
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Could you do it?

747
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 6: Is a team helping me try to get that goal done?

748
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 6: Or do I have to like singularly fit in the

749
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 6: system and do.

750
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: It well in this situation that I'm about to come

751
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: up with, they're helping you a little bit.

752
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, then yes I could.

753
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: Yes.

754
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: So in other words, ten.

755
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 7: Minutes, yes I would score once or twice.

756
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Yes you think so.

757
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 7: But not like that because that's the sole goal of

758
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 7: the team. Where are we trying to win too?

759
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 6: I have a lot of questions about this because, like,

760
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 6: what's stopping you from just not playing any defense?

761
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 7: And we get one stop and they just throw it

762
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 7: to me an other end.

763
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Okay, bingo, because here's my questquestion if okay, let me

764
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: ask us, which is a bigger guarantee that you're gonna

765
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: cherry pick like that and they're gonna throw down to

766
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: you and you just gotta lay up and then you're

767
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: off the floor and that's that.

768
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: Or and by the way, I've.

769
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: Got a question for you about the halftime show last night.

770
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Please tell me you saw it, or are your odds

771
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: better that way of just cherry picking or the odds

772
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: better that you have a breakaway layup and the only

773
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: thing standing between you and the basket is Luka Doncic.

774
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing how like he sang tries. It

775
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 7: is maybe a little hard.

776
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 6: Like he's been putting a better foot forward on defense recently,

777
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 6: but he's still quite a big negative on that end.

778
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 6: And he's still an overwhelmingly positive player because he's that

779
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 6: freaking good on offense. But it is a he's not

780
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 6: very mobile on the defensive end of those let's put

781
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 6: it kind of like that.

782
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he's late on the defense, and look, he's a

783
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: wonderful talent. There's no doubt about it. He is offensively,

784
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: perhaps the most gifted talent in the league, no question

785
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: about it. But I am amazed Tony. I really watched

786
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: it closely last night. I just never really had paid

787
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: attention before. He's late defensively ninety percent of the time

788
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: because he's whining for so long.

789
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

790
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that there was a lot of five on four

791
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 6: last night because of that. With the Lakers in general.

792
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 6: The thing that I wonder about Lucas he's so good,

793
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: like does he ever sprint?

794
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: You know, he hopped?

795
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 6: It seems like, yeah, it always seems like he's like

796
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 6: like hopping or you know, he's not really like running

797
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: very fast. And then he's like, oh, I just scored

798
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: forty three points like Cali. But yeah, it's he is

799
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 6: in a lot of actions. Defensively, Let's say that.

800
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: You know, he may be Marvin Harrison. I remember well

801
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: during the Monday Night Miracle game when Keishawn Johnson was

802
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: miked up and they kept showing in the first half,

803
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison would get a you know, a twelve yard out,

804
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: then he stepped out of bounds and Keishawn Johnson's like, oh,

805
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: that's how he gets his catches, he avoids contact, he

806
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: steps out of bounds. Well, Marvin Harrison probably extended his

807
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: NFL career by four years because of preserving his body

808
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: from that stuff. Right, So maybe Luca's the genius here, right,

809
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: Maybe he's he's extending and by not exerting his energy

810
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: half the time, that.

811
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: Would be awesome selfishly, because he is a joy to

812
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: watch flip in thirty footers like they're like layups. But

813
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 6: you do wonder about the ceiling of a steel like

814
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 6: kas which is weird to say, because the MAVs million

815
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 6: the Finals with.

816
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 7: Him as their best player, but they got worked in

817
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 7: that series.

818
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 6: I'll be very curious how the Lakers do in this

819
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 6: postseason and now and how they respond to whatever happened.

820
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: Well, I thought last night, and I know we're here

821
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: to talk Pacers, but I will say I thought, and

822
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: I have not watched a matter of fact, at one

823
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: point I had to look up, and I'm embarrassed to

824
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: say that where exactly they slot in the West. They're

825
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: third in the West, behind two really good teams in

826
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: Oak City and San Antonio. But I think they look

827
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: for two guys that when you have two guys that

828
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: have been the alpha everywhere they've been. I thought Luca

829
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: and Lebron seemingly now their offensive scheme with then a

830
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: bunch of role players really does mesh pretty well together.

831
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: I think they were.

832
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 6: Having issues with that for a lot of the season.

833
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 6: And Lebron came back from injury, like he didn't missed

834
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 6: a lot of time, but this was like a little

835
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 6: over a month.

836
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 7: Ago, and he has figured out how to be that.

837
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 6: Third option for them, because even Reeves gets the balmore

838
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: and him for them now and now that he's kind.

839
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 7: Of figured out exactly where to use his.

840
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 6: Strengths, what you know, and how that all should click

841
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 6: together for that team, Like they've been awesome and he's

842
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 6: like the best third option maybe.

843
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: We've ever seen.

844
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: He's so powerful.

845
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 7: He looks great last night for a forty one year old.

846
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 7: So they could the top two teams.

847
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 6: The less are so good, so who knows, but the

848
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 6: Lakers could be really good actually in the playoffs.

849
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: We'll see if you right now were starting a franchise,

850
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: would you and you had, like, let's say it's Tony

851
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: one of my favorite games. Here, give me a city

852
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: not named Seattle, Las Vegas, or Nashville. Give me a

853
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: city that does not have an NBA team right now

854
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: that the NBA is going to give you an expansion franchise,

855
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: where are you putting the team?

856
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 7: Louisville or Vancouver?

857
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 6: I think both two great basketball markets and in places

858
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 6: that haven't had ever for a long time a pro

859
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 6: team in Louisbo's case, and for twenty seven years now,

860
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: when did the Griddlies move two thousand?

861
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe.

862
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, so go, I'm gonna go with Louisville here, okay.

863
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: And what are you gonna call them? The Louisville what?

864
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 7: Oh boy, the Bridges? I got nothing for that one.

865
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: The Louisville the Louisville Rivers. How's that? Okay? Okay?

866
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 7: What's the Triple A baseball team?

867
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: The bats?

868
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 7: We'll be the balls?

869
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: How about that?

870
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 7: We'll be the basketballs?

871
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me, will be the balls? Is that what you

872
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: went with?

873
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: There?

874
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Is that what you said?

875
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, we have to stay on the.

876
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I won't say it's nuts. Okay. So here, here's the thing.

877
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: So you've got this team in Louisville, and you are

878
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: the head of your expansion franchise, and you have your

879
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: choice between one of three players to select first and

880
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: the expansion draft. Are you going with Shake Gilger's, Alexander

881
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Webam Yama or Cooper Flag?

882
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, Cooper Flagg, You're ruled out. You got to

883
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 6: prove like real playoff things. To me, honestly, Wemby hasn't either.

884
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: You know.

885
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 7: That's that's a big discussion.

886
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 6: I think when I talk to other people, like media people,

887
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 6: right now is like Wenby might just be the best

888
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 6: player right now, and he is twenty one, twenty two

889
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 6: whatever he is, you know, that seems like the natural pick.

890
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 7: But everybody always say the same thing of like, wow,

891
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 7: he hasn't done it in the playoffs yet, Let's see.

892
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: How that goes.

893
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 7: Whereas Shay is also.

894
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 6: Mostly pretty young and has done it in the playoffs

895
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 6: really two times. They lost to Dallas two years ago,

896
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 6: but Dallas role player shot the crap out of the

897
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 6: ball that year, and then they won the championship last sho.

898
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 7: Obviously, and he was very good.

899
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 6: And it's just it's so rare that a guy like

900
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 6: him who's scored twenty plus points in however many games,

901
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 6: what is it, one hundred and thirty now and averages

902
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 6: thirty a game, like on starting five, they did that

903
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 6: segment where he was getting a haircut. He at thirty

904
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 6: points in a game and his wife said, nice joashs

905
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 6: and I you at thirty points and he said, that's

906
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: below my average. Like that's crazy to say out loud

907
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 6: as a sentence. And he's good on defense, It's like,

908
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 6: that's really rare for a player of that level of

909
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 6: offensive potency. But obviously when Banyama is the best defensive

910
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 6: player in his offense is very quick, complically emerging. So

911
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 6: flag I'm pushing to the side not proven enough.

912
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 7: I think I take Shay just barely.

913
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 6: But I think a year from now that could look

914
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 6: stupid because Wemby, I mean, every night he did something

915
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: you've never seen before.

916
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: And he just can do so many different things. That's

917
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: the thing that's remarkable about it.

918
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 6: You know, they played the Spurs last, the Placers did

919
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 6: right on Sunday whenever that was, And there was the

920
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 6: first half play where Siakam shot it and he blocked it.

921
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: It was a goaltend that wasn't called, and so Siakam

922
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 6: and Carlisle were upset.

923
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: They should be.

924
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 7: It was a goaltend, but lost in the moment.

925
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 6: Of that play was like that was insane, Like how

926
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 6: did he even get the ball?

927
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: He had a play this year, and I don't remember

928
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: who they were playing, but I remember I I videoed

929
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: it off the television and posted it and then I

930
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: was one of five thousand people that did the same.

931
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: He had a play that I saw this year Webin Miyama.

932
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: We're talking about where he blocked a shot like pinned

933
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: against the glass, passed it to a teammate who immediately

934
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: passed it back to women Yama, who brought the ball

935
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: up the floor, got to the three point line, crossed over,

936
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: stepped back and hit a three. And I'm like, this

937
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: guy's seven foot five or whatever he is.

938
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable.

939
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, people, some people think he's seven foot eight. I

940
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 7: don't know if I think he's that tall, But it's

941
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 7: not like out of.

942
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: The realm of possibility, given what you see him do.

943
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 6: Did you see last night his plays a two sequence

944
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: played with Gig Jackson, by chance, did not Gg Jackson

945
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 6: on the Grizzlies dunked on Wimbanyama, something that only John

946
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 6: Moran I think is une before.

947
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 7: So I guess if you're on the Grizzlies you just

948
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 7: getting in.

949
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 6: The jump for that, and so on the other end,

950
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 6: Wamby dunked on GG Jackson and Gig dunked or jump

951
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 6: to try to block it, and I was like, wow,

952
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 6: you're way shorter.

953
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 7: I can't believe he jumped. And he's basically said post.

954
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 6: Game, yeah, I didn't think i'd really had a chance,

955
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 6: but wouldn't have been sick. Basically, I was like, yes,

956
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 6: I respect that being your answer to that moment.

957
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: It was great listen, great player, no question. What did

958
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: we lack last night? Learn in that game?

959
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: If anything about Indiana that we have not already seen

960
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: before before I get to a WNBA question.

961
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's it's like not seen before ever.

962
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 6: Is tough this year specifically, like they haven't had I

963
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 6: mean this isn't a lot of time, but they've had

964
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 6: three straight games with roughly the same rotation, and like

965
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 6: their core guys are, especially on offense, look very potent

966
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 6: right now. I think they've shot fifty from the field

967
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 6: and forty from three and six games in a row.

968
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 6: Like their offense is actually kind of humming right now.

969
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 6: In Nemhard's passing is maybe the newest new thing nineteen

970
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: assists is just ridiculous. He said thirty three across his

971
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 6: last two games. I wonder what that means for his

972
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 6: spot next year when he's playing the two. But I

973
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 6: think it's kind of been one last reminder, right They

974
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 6: have a couple more games coming up a home here

975
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 6: against playoff teams that had this season been normal, they

976
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 6: at least could have been decent and not, you know,

977
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: the worst win loss record in the league, which they

978
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 6: have right now because the Wizards won last night. So

979
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's something new, because I think

980
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 6: a lot of people thought they would be atatealy halfway

981
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 6: decent this year. But the fact that they've now had

982
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 6: a couple of stretches this season where it's like, okay,

983
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 6: that's the pacers we've seen for the last couple of years.

984
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 6: At least know where these so there's no doubts about

985
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 6: who these guys are going into the summer.

986
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: What can you and clip notes version Tony East is

987
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: my guest.

988
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: He's on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line Tony,

989
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: I am a man of average intelligence. I took algebra

990
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: seven times before I finally passed. Thank you to my tutor.

991
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: So in layman terms. Can you explain to me exactly

992
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: what went down with the w NBA in terms of

993
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: like collective bargaining agreement and a potential work stoppage that

994
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: then wasn't because it was avoided, and where things stand

995
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: right now.

996
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, they had a lot to sort out, right there's

997
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 6: two new teams this year, it's an expansion draft.

998
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 7: And all that stuff.

999
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: So they had.

1000
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 6: A like a harder not a harder deadline, but like

1001
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 6: an earlier than you'd expect before the season deadline to

1002
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: get everything agreed to because they have a lot of

1003
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 6: off season deadlines to sort out.

1004
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 7: But the biggest, at least cor issues that.

1005
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: Were reported in the media that were big hold up

1006
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 6: points for teams and players, the league versus the players

1007
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 6: was one revenue for the players, what's the percentage that.

1008
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: It should be?

1009
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 7: That's obvious. That happens every.

1010
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 6: Time there's a new CBA dispute in any league. And

1011
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 6: you know, the league was at one point proposing that

1012
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 6: it was based on profit or all on revenue, and

1013
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 6: the players wanted it to be based on profit. I

1014
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: might have that backwards, but you get what I'm saying,

1015
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 6: and the percentage differences they had like the league said

1016
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 6: fifteen percent, the players said way higher.

1017
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 7: I think they ended up settling on twenty percent of

1018
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 7: revenue was the number there. And then housing credits for

1019
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 7: like players who.

1020
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 6: Don't make a certain amount of money, that was a

1021
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 6: big thing. Minimum salaries at a certain level was a

1022
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 6: big thing, right, all sorts of like, hey, this league

1023
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 6: is built now, like we should be paid, and they should.

1024
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 7: They're the players, and the players at the W started

1025
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 7: their own three on.

1026
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 6: Three league that already is very popular and pays them

1027
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: good money.

1028
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: Like they have that level of gravity.

1029
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 6: So there was a lot for them to figure out,

1030
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 6: but they they got it done last week and now

1031
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 6: they are doing all those things that I mentioned kind

1032
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 6: of checklists in order of they have less than a

1033
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: month to do all of this expansion draft, a real draft,

1034
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 6: and free agency, and then training camp starts on April nineteenth,

1035
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 6: So there's gonna be a lot of chaos that might

1036
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 6: end up being simple because there's not a lot of time,

1037
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 6: but they got all of it sorted out. We've seen

1038
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 6: a few trickle outs of announcements from the league now

1039
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 6: about what the rules will be for these things, so

1040
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 6: the Fever can start prepping for their expansion draft and

1041
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 6: who they should protect them, things like that. But it's

1042
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 6: all very fresh and new and confusing, and it's gonna

1043
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 6: be a way different league. Like the minimum salary for

1044
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 6: this coming season is higher than the max salary was

1045
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 6: last year.

1046
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: That's a huge change.

1047
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: So when you say the and yes and listen and

1048
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm Tony. I had made the point when this first

1049
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: kind of came as an announcement that what this says

1050
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: to me when people were wondering forever why the WNBA

1051
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: and why NBA franchises were continuing to basically subsidize the

1052
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: league itself, that there was a purpose to that because

1053
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: you had to wade through and you and I might

1054
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: have talked about this, I can't recall, but there have

1055
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: been so many secondary leagues in sport that have that

1056
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: have eventually just gone away because they haven't had you know,

1057
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: the idea might have been great, but they ran out

1058
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: of time. And the WNBA, the reason why you continued

1059
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: to fund this league twenty years ago was because what

1060
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: you were doing was you were creating a benchmark and

1061
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: a goal and a landing spot for young female basketball players.

1062
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: And what you see now is a league of players

1063
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: that are able to finally get the buy in because

1064
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: of the work that and the trail that was blazed

1065
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: well before. Now, does that mean that eventually we will

1066
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: have a situation like you had with the ABA where

1067
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: those players then or and I'm not saying that they're

1068
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: not that they're not owed that. But if you're a player,

1069
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: a pioneer player of the WNBA, do you are you

1070
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: owed the ability to say, you know what, we're the

1071
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: ones that helped make this possible. We need a retroactive

1072
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: slice of the pie.

1073
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder if that'll happen. I mean it would

1074
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 6: be far off from now. I think if that became

1075
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 6: the case, I mean that that's becoming a thing for

1076
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 6: the ABA like now right like very recently, not super now,

1077
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 6: but you know the last ten years or so, and

1078
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 6: that was you know that lead's been done for forty years,

1079
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 6: so you know, you wonder how long that would take.

1080
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 6: And I think that because the next step for the

1081
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 6: w money wise, is basically what you said, right, Okay,

1082
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: they know how much money's going to the players.

1083
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 7: Now, eventually they're got to pay back creditors.

1084
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 6: And you know they got a bunch of you know,

1085
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 6: seed funding, not seed funding. They got a bunch of

1086
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 6: funding in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, I.

1087
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 7: Can't remember exactly what year that was.

1088
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: Like most people want, you know, they're a turn on

1089
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 6: investment at some point, right, so they have a lot

1090
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 6: to chew through for the reasons that you described.

1091
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 7: But it's like.

1092
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 6: Every early pro sports league that ends up making it

1093
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: is like how many NBA franchises holded the first ten years.

1094
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 7: Of the NBA that you know we talk about now.

1095
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 6: So they got through that stage and now I think

1096
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 6: it's I mean, they're growing like crazy for a reason,

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Speaker 6: and every time there's a new team, that team's pumping

1098
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 6: a bunch of money into the league. So it's clearly

1099
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 6: here to stay now. And I think this was probably

1100
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 6: the hardest CBA they're going to have to do for

1101
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 6: a long time, just because there were so many conflicting

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00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 6: goals of the w and their money paying back creditors,

1103
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 6: their commissioner's contract ends this year, versus the players being like, hey,

1104
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 6: we're the reason this league has exploded the last five years.

1105
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 6: So I don't think that tension will be as strong

1106
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 6: in future cbas, which will help them.

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Speaker 2: Tony East is my guest joining us on the Java

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00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. All right, Tony, last

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00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: one for you here, since we're playing hypotheticals about your

1110
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 2: expansion team in Louisville. Okay, yes, that's okay, you are given.

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00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, we haven't done the tankathon in

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00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: a while. Here, let's do the tankathon, Natana. I don't

1113
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: know if you happen to have the draft sounder over

1114
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: there by chance, but Tony, you know how we do this.

1115
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: I run the NBA Draft Takathon. Yes, once the pick

1116
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: is in, then we'll hear that sound. And then, Tony,

1117
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me we did this with

1118
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: Scott last week. I'm going to run the tekathon. It's

1119
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: going to tell me what selection the pacers have. I

1120
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: want you once and I'm I'm going to be David

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00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: Stern here. I will tell you what pick it is,

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00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: and then I want you to tell me the name

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00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: of the player the pacers are selecting.

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00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this fun exercise?

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00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: Okay?

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00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: Yes?

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00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: Are you sitting down? I don't want you to like,

1128
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, anything bad to happen because you're excitement. Okay,

1129
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: here we go. I'm running the simulator now, to see

1130
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: where the Pacers will be selecting. Once I have that, Nathaniel,

1131
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: I point to you. You play the sounder in here

1132
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: we go. Okay, sounder, there we go.

1133
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1134
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: With the third pick in the twenty twenty six NBA Draft,

1135
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: the the Indiana Pacers select.

1136
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 7: So there's an answer that's on the screen in front

1137
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 7: of you that I'm trying to guess. Or am I

1138
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 7: telling you what I would do?

1139
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: Okay?

1140
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: So here, let me let me get let me get

1141
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: the Edswer sketch and shake it of this fun exercise.

1142
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna read off,

1143
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run the simulator again. Okay, I'm gonna read.

1144
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: To you what what pick the Pacers.

1145
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: Would be landing on, and then I want you Tony East,

1146
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: to tell me who you believe would be the pick

1147
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: if they are selecting in that situation.

1148
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do this.

1149
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 7: He did that ruin the funnel, Righty.

1150
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: No, we're doing it again here. Oh boy, hold on,

1151
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: I did it now, Tony.

1152
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: You screwed the whole thing up because I did it again,

1153
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: and it has am picking fifth and that fifth pick

1154
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: goes to the Clippers.

1155
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: So you screwed the whole thing, so I'm gonna do

1156
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: it again.

1157
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: Here we go.

1158
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: Here we go.

1159
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: With the first pick in the twenty twenty six NBA

1160
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: Mock Draft, the Indiana Pacers select.

1161
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 7: I played dumb so I can get the first pick.

1162
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 6: I WoT that Aja Demons, I think would be the

1163
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 6: pick at one. It seems like that's the most common

1164
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 6: answer from.

1165
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 7: People who know anything about.

1166
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 6: The drafts or have been connected to this at all.

1167
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 6: I mean, the Yu lost in the first round, but

1168
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 6: he was absolutely tremendous. It just seems like he has

1169
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 6: the highest feeling of these guys. I haven't watched enough

1170
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 6: to have my own opinion, but given what other people

1171
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 6: seem to think, I think right now he would be

1172
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 6: the most popular pick at number one.

1173
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.

1174
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: And I do not agree with people who say that

1175
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: Boozer would go number one if the Pacers had it

1176
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: all right, last thing, Tony, I know that you love

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00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: and you are always.

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00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, one other thing because it ties

1179
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: into this.

1180
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, I went to a show

1181
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: at the Miurat and so Shannon and I went and

1182
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: got something to eat right there on mass Have and

1183
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: I walked in and in the restaurant was the guy

1184
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: that does deal or no deal from Key Bank.

1185
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 7: Uh huh, you love that.

1186
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I was starstruck. I didn't say anything to him.

1187
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: I almost went up to say, like deal or no deal,

1188
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: but I was starstruck by it. I know that you

1189
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: love that. At pacer games, do you watch the halftime all?

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00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 6: Uh?

1191
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 7: Sometimes?

1192
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 6: But I usually take a lap around the club level

1193
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 6: to like think about what just happened so I can

1194
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 6: more appropriately articulate it later.

1195
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 7: But I do see them sometimes.

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00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: You did not see it last night?

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00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 7: Not see last night? No?

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00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: I did not.

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00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: So last night was.

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Speaker 2: Oh kind of a circus sole meets oh, I forget

1201
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: the fellow's name that stacks the chairs.

1202
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: Oh man, he stresses me out, I know.

1203
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: Uh, And and I will say, uh, time to let

1204
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: a little hemming out of the tight suit.

1205
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: If I if I may.

1206
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: But but having said that, this guy last night was

1207
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: a similar thing. But he was stacking like I don't

1208
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: even know how to describe it, and then doing handstands

1209
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: on it. Okay, so basically beams and he was stacking

1210
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: them on one another and then doing handstands and gymnastic

1211
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: type things on it.

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00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 7: Oh, oh, I know you're talking.

1213
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 6: About I've seen this guy, Okay, but it's not not

1214
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 6: I'm not a high as the chairs, so I'm still

1215
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 6: kind of high.

1216
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty high.

1217
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 2: So last night, though he got he still had one.

1218
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 2: There was another round of beams still on the floor

1219
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: and his assistant that hands them to them was sitting

1220
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: next to them, and he got to what would be

1221
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: the penultimate beams and it started wavering. I mean it

1222
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: was it was going back and forth and it was

1223
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: getting I'm like, whoa wait, and he still did his

1224
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: handstand and you know, leg exercise and whatever else. But

1225
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: then he started coming down and I think I think

1226
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: he punted on the last one. I think he punched

1227
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: on it. I think he realized no boy, and oh

1228
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: and I'm getting out of this right, which is fairly unprecedented.

1229
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 6: I can't watch these hype rider ones, and especially like

1230
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 6: the Fever had that game where Red Pana got hurt

1231
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 6: and then the.

1232
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 7: Next game where was the chair guy in India? I

1233
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 7: was like, I can't, I can't look.

1234
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: At that well. And that's the thing.

1235
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised they don't put a matt down

1236
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: because i mean kidding aside.

1237
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: I was watching it.

1238
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, if something did go wrong here, Like, I mean,

1239
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: this guy's in real trouble, right, Yeah, yes, I'm surprised.

1240
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean I I there has to be. Can you

1241
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: imagine the thickness of the paper that guy's got to

1242
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: sign before he goes out there, you know what I mean?

1243
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get this straight, mister Smith.

1244
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: You're telling us you're going to stand on one hand

1245
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: on eighteen stacked pogo sticks. Yes, that's correct. Okay, fine,

1246
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: go out and do it. I mean there has to be.

1247
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: Stanley CON's got to be involved in some way, all right,

1248
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: Tony appreciate the time

1249
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: As always, Thanks for having me, Tony East joining us