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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Boone County Prosecutor's Office holding that press conference

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Speaker 1: First of all, what presume we will get a lot

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Speaker 2: Do we know was there any ring doorbell camera?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Donald Trump he has announced rollback on tariffs

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Speaker 2: Rollback was motivated by concerns from consumers over rising grocery prices.

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Speaker 3: But I thought the tariffs were great.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so then you don't get to bitch about egg

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Speaker 1: How could you run an entire election on affordability, the

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Speaker 3: Now you weren't doing that before. What have you been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they were closing the border down before. Now

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Speaker 3: We got to fix this.

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump has promised a two thousand dollars tariff

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, didn't we learn these checks are going

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Speaker 1: So it comes back then to what we talked about earlier, Casey,

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Speaker 1: So wait a second, we're screwing everyone with the tariffs.

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Speaker 1: But then if you, let's say they put the number

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Speaker 1: if you make two ten, you get screwed on the teriffs,

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Speaker 1: but you don't.

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Speaker 3: Get the benefit.

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Speaker 2: You don't get the check.

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Speaker 3: So you pay all the taxes but you don't get

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Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind, you still have the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: This is all insane, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Casey tell me I'm not the only person who hears

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Speaker 2: And then last week you had JD. Vance. He was

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Speaker 1: So his theories they're going to kick all the illegals

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Speaker 1: Want them to succeed, like I want our country to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that's what Braun would like at this point.

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Speaker 1: Someone to take him to the river and push him

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Speaker 1: into water, pushing him down. I'm sure he wants to.

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Speaker 3: Just fallen a hole and hide.

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Speaker 2: So the Speaker of the House has said that they

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Speaker 2: are still making arrangements.

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Speaker 3: I made it, Kevin. That was pretty funny, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: That was a good way to do. That was a

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Speaker 3: good refu Yeah, thank you, Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: The Speaker of the House said that they're still going

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Speaker 2: to be at the state Capitol on December first, So

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Speaker 2: the House is still planning to vote. This is not so.

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Speaker 1: Much Okay, this is so fascinating to me because you

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Speaker 1: just have it's like a triangle of terror. You got

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, Uh, you get the governor, and

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Speaker 1: then you got the Senate, and then you got the

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Speaker 1: people who are being ignored over here on the on

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Speaker 1: the outside. But like, there's part of me that wants

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Speaker 1: to feel bad for Braun because he's clearly so in

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Speaker 1: over his head and he's playing in league he has

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Speaker 1: no business playing. And like, if you think of the

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Speaker 1: life of Mike Braun, he's basically he's almost a Citizen

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Speaker 1: Kane type of character in the sense that he made

463
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Speaker 1: a gargantuline amount of money in his business life, which

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Speaker 1: good on him, and then he used that money to

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Speaker 1: buy himself a US Senate seat. He bought himself immense power,

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Speaker 1: and then with that he was able to utilize he's

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Speaker 1: somewhat fraudulent six years in the US Senate, which he

468
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Speaker 1: huffed and puffed a lot but didn't really accomplish anything.

469
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Speaker 1: But he aligns himself with Trump to the point where

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Speaker 1: he gets this Trump endorsement, coupled with his own money

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Speaker 1: and his ability to raise money as a US Senator

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Speaker 1: and part of the deal with that though, because the

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Speaker 1: guy is totally out of his league and has no business.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Braun were a regular guy, if he

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Speaker 1: were just a normal state rep, he would have never

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Speaker 1: been a US Senator. He would have never been there,

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Speaker 1: he'd never be the governor. He then becomes totally beholden

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Speaker 1: to Trump and he has to do the bidding of

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Speaker 1: a guy and he's not smart enough for politically savvy enough,

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Speaker 1: and he surrounded himself with people who are not smart

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Speaker 1: enough or politically savvy enough see Josh Kelly's chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to navigate the waters of the state House.

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Speaker 3: And he keeps making promises that he's unable to cash.

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Speaker 1: The reason he's so hated on property taxes is he

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Speaker 1: felt he had to have our support. James Briggs wrote

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Speaker 1: of Indie Star wrote a fabulous article about this several

487
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Speaker 1: months ago about how Braun felt he needed our support,

488
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Speaker 1: our sport literally being us this radio show, and so

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Speaker 1: he was willing to say or do whatever he had

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Speaker 1: to say or do to get us to go along

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Speaker 1: with them, including he just kept changing the plan on

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Speaker 1: the fly, right. They weren't thinking it through and are

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Speaker 1: my view, and I don't want to speak for you,

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Speaker 1: but my view on it was the guy's going to

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Speaker 1: probably win anyway. We got to keep him engaged to

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Speaker 1: try to get property taxes across.

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Speaker 3: The finish line.

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Speaker 1: And the more beholden he kind of becomes to us,

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Speaker 1: the more we can stay engaged in try to help

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Speaker 1: him wants the process his starts.

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Speaker 3: The problem was he didn't believe any of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to ask you. Do

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Speaker 2: you think he was just using that right? Of course

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Speaker 2: he wasn't really trying, but.

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Speaker 3: We were using him.

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Speaker 1: We didn't like him either, and we just said, hey,

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Speaker 1: if this guy's gonna win, we might as well just

508
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Speaker 1: make this as big a priority as we can. Make

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Speaker 1: him make it as big a priority as we can.

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Speaker 3: We know what he is.

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Speaker 1: We thought his goofy Lieutenant governor was going to be

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Speaker 1: a much bigger help than he actually turned out to be.

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Speaker 1: And we thought, Okay, between the radio show, the lieutenant

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Speaker 1: governor and Braun just being a just a coward. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll go to the path of least resistance. We can

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Speaker 1: make this thing happen. Well, obviously he didn't have the

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Speaker 1: intestinal fortitude to do that he's he made it. He

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Speaker 1: pissed everybody off by making people believe he did.

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Speaker 3: And then everybody ended up hating him.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing happening all over again with

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Speaker 1: this redistricting stuff, in which he just can't ever speak

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Speaker 1: up for himself. He can't tell you what he actually thinks,

523
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Speaker 1: because he craves being liked, he craves acceptance, he craves power,

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Speaker 1: and I think he made promises to Trump that he's

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Speaker 1: incapable of keeping it.

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Speaker 3: That's why Trump's pissed off.

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Speaker 2: Right. Well, he said he's still committed to doing it,

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Speaker 2: and he's trying to thread the needle too much.

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Speaker 1: Look, he would have been so much better off. But again,

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Speaker 1: it's a guy who craves acceptance and he craves being liked.

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Speaker 1: If he'd come to us a year and a half

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Speaker 1: ago and said, I'm gonna try on this for you guys,

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Speaker 1: but the reality is I'm probably given the goof troop.

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Speaker 1: I have to deal with not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: get a bunch of this stuff, and I'll do my

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Speaker 1: best and we'll see what happens. Okay, that's way different

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Speaker 1: than than the what happens tune He was singing right.

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Speaker 1: And so when you set unreasonable expectations for people, then

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Speaker 1: you're going to get hatred, especially in the political realm,

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Speaker 1: when you don't deliver on those things. And he is

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Speaker 1: once again not delivering, and he doesn't have the juice

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Speaker 1: to change Rod Bray's mind. They look at him and go,

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Speaker 1: you're a joke, Your lieutenant Governor's a joke. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that you were just on a stage fist bumping

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Speaker 1: Micah and Braun were at that Owen County event simpatico

546
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Speaker 1: fist bump and smiling, yucket it up. They look at it, go,

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00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: you both are a disgrace. We're not doing what you

548
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Speaker 1: think we run the show around here. Go sit in

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Speaker 1: a corner, Grandpa. And there's nothing he's going to do

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Speaker 1: to change their mind.

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Speaker 2: So is this the first time that lawmakers have declined

552
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Speaker 2: to follow a governor's call for a special session? Like

553
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: when is that happen?

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Speaker 1: But this is what I don't think people are getting it. Look,

555
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Speaker 1: some legal leagal can can tell me otherwise. They're not

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Speaker 1: going to be in a special session as of tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow is ORG Day. This is why I think.

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Speaker 1: Look, you're not going to convince me that Houston is

559
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Speaker 1: some patriot and all this either that. I mean, they

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00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: picked December first for a reason. Braun called the session

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Speaker 1: the first of November. They had two weeks to get

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Speaker 1: everybody together before ORG Day and do this, in which

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Speaker 1: Braun conceivably could have. Now, I don't know what he

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Speaker 1: would have done. Brought in the National Guard ordered him there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he would have done, but might

566
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Speaker 1: have had more of the law on his side. But

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Speaker 1: what nobody can answer for me is because people keep

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Speaker 1: saying I can't believe Bray would divide Braun like this, Well,

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Speaker 1: number one, I can, but two in my mind, effective tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: there is no special session. It's the legit session starts tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: which means those guys are back in charge of doing

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. Now, if somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: present a legal argument to me otherwise, I'll hear it,

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Speaker 1: but nobody has.

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Speaker 2: It's being reported that after they left that Annual Indiana

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Speaker 2: Chamber Session that Rod Bray and Todd hust they didn't

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Speaker 2: talk to reporters. Normally they do, they'll answer some questions

578
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Speaker 2: in a gaggle. This time they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They have always those guys have always seen Braun as

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00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: a big fat fraud in a phony, the same way

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Speaker 1: Brian Bosma and David Long saw Mike Pence as a

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Speaker 1: big fat fraud and a phony.

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Speaker 3: They have a way.

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Speaker 1: They want that thing to operate down there, and they

585
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Speaker 1: are not gonna let some governor who they believe is

586
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Speaker 1: just using It's this. It's so weird how Pence and

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Speaker 1: Brawn are basically the same guy and it's going about

588
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Speaker 1: the same.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Pence, do you see all these influencers from

590
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: out of state saying, oh, this says Pence all over it.

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: They're blaming Mike Pence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, those guys don't listen to Pence. They don't talk

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Speaker 3: to Pens. I mean they may talk to him every

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Speaker 3: so often, one of.

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Speaker 2: The Pences, even in the country right now.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would, ever, nobody would enjoy dumping on Mark pen

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Speaker 1: Mark Pence, his brother, this little known brother Mark, Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence more than me. Mike Pence have anything to do

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Speaker 1: with this. He's not in charge anything or calling any shots.

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Speaker 1: These guys just don't want to deal with it. The

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Speaker 1: headache that they'll incur is not worth it. They have

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Speaker 1: a super majority. The only way they can lose. It

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00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: is pissing people off in mass and Rod Brade just said,

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Speaker 1: I ain't doing it.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the report that Donald Trump was going

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Speaker 2: to have a couple of them come to Washington and

607
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Speaker 2: say what right they're like for By them saying no,

608
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Speaker 2: we're we're not coming in, we're not voting, have they

609
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: made the headache even bigger for themselves because now they're

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Speaker 2: definitely on Trump's radar.

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Speaker 1: No, because I I don't think they care at least

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Speaker 1: if they have seven cells in their brain. They shouldn't

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Speaker 1: care because their constituents don't care.

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Speaker 3: They're not for this. This is what Trump orbit.

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Speaker 1: DC Draino, all these other influencers who don't live in

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Speaker 1: our state or threatening this and threatening that the constituencies

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Speaker 1: have not emerged in their districts that are for this.

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Speaker 3: If that was there, they would do it. But the people.

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Speaker 3: And this is why.

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Speaker 1: When people are like, I can't believe Rob is taking

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Speaker 1: the stance he is, because people, this is a great

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Speaker 1: opportunity for the state of Indiana to see how little

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Speaker 1: the public actually likes the Republicans. The people vote for

624
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Speaker 1: Republicans because Democrats are so unelectable, they're so horrendous that

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Speaker 1: they can't even be a part of the conversation. But

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Speaker 1: people are not voting for Republicans because they like them.

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00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: They're voting for them because they're right, and they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna give you more power. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: hand you more power. We're not passionate about it.

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Speaker 3: You have it, earned it.

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Speaker 1: The Republicans could get the people on their side by

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Speaker 1: earning it, but that would involve taking on the special

633
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 1: interest and the donors and the lobbyists, and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to do it.

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Speaker 3: So the easiest path for them is just say we're

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Speaker 3: not having the session. Yeah, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: It is Kendally Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: The Trump Epstein stuff is fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the House of Representatives, they're expected to vote

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00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow on the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which would compel

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Speaker 2: the Justice Department to release all of the federal investigation

642
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: files on Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Now this is different than the discharge petition. This is

644
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: like there's all sorts of competing things now going on.

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Speaker 2: Just one in the House then has to go to

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Speaker 2: the Senate, and then Trump has to sign it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so look they have totally.

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Speaker 1: So Trump came out yesterday and was like, release all

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Speaker 1: the Epstein stuff. And this is just fascinating to me

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Speaker 1: about if you were to say, how could you have

651
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: handled this in the worst possible way.

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Speaker 2: Well didn't. At one point over the weekend he tell

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Speaker 2: Pam Bondi to start an investigation. Again.

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Speaker 1: Well, now he's saying, it's all going to be democrats

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna find. So do the investigation and let's

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Speaker 1: find out what democrats. I think you said, members of

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Speaker 1: the media, I can't remember exactly who he said were

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Speaker 1: involved in all this. And it is just like the

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Speaker 1: like you allow things. Some people need to hear this

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Speaker 1: when you have bad news and you don't get ahead

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Speaker 1: of that story and tell your version of it in

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Speaker 1: full disclosure, you allow things to take on a life

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Speaker 1: or their own, and then anything becomes believable.

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Speaker 3: Like if you have some horrible.

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Speaker 1: Thing, especially if it potentially involves in some capacity, child predators, pedophilia,

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Speaker 1: child porn, child sex, financiers, human sex trafficking, any of

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Speaker 1: that stuff, get ahead of it and get it all

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Speaker 1: out there, whatever it is. And in the case of Trump,

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Speaker 1: I still don't think anybody is out there thinking that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was involved in trips to Epstein Island, or

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Speaker 1: you know, having sex with girls who are being trafficked,

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Speaker 1: or any of that. But when you repeatedly appear to

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Speaker 1: go out of your way to deny the truth coming

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Speaker 1: out or thwart the truth coming out up to it,

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Speaker 1: including allegedly which has still never been refuted, that they

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Speaker 1: were calling lawmakers.

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Speaker 3: Bobert and who the audioce Mace thank you to get

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Speaker 3: situation room, to get them.

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Speaker 1: To just the other day to not sign that or

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Speaker 1: to remove their name up the discharge petition. People are going,

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Speaker 1: why ye, Look, if you were Trump and the only

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Speaker 1: thing that ties you to Epstein is we had some

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Speaker 1: business dealings, business relationships.

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Speaker 3: You know, I dealt with lots of shady people.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's easily explain, and yes, it would be

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Speaker 1: a bad hit for the day Trump admits business relationship

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Speaker 1: with Epstein and then it's all done. But now you

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Speaker 1: have allowed this thing to remain a news story based

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Speaker 1: on your own opposition to this thing.

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Speaker 2: So people come to their own conclusions. When you don't

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Speaker 2: fill in the blank, right, they will for you right.

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Speaker 1: Because people are saying, why are you hiding this. If

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Speaker 1: there's nothing there, it's horrible. You have to explain it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make it right. Epstein had relationships with thousands

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Speaker 1: of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, some of that is really

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Speaker 2: interesting because he had some notable correspondents and topics. These

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Speaker 2: are some very well connected business people who are seeking

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Speaker 2: Epstein's advice on dating and other topics that didn't have

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Speaker 2: to do with business, Like why are they why would

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Speaker 2: they turn to that guy?

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Speaker 3: They know who he was.

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Speaker 1: Well, but I think weirdos attract weirdos, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's this whole thing about this guy

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Speaker 1: super rich and he's got all these I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: there's a variety of reasons that they get.

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Speaker 3: You know, lots of people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the former first Lady of the United States

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Speaker 1: took a photo with John Wayne Gacy. Does anybody think

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Speaker 1: Rosalind Carter was involved in burying the bodies in the

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Speaker 1: in the crawl space.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: People run into account with have dealings with shady people

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Speaker 1: all the time. But when you can't tell a coherent,

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Speaker 1: consistent story and the story starts changing or new things

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Speaker 1: start coming out, you're gonna feed it and it's going

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Speaker 1: to be so much worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make people wonder what is the truth. Then,

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Speaker 2: well maybe more files will be released tomorrow after they vote.

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Speaker 1: I just think he's and now him be going, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: put it all out there. Well why didn't you say

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Speaker 1: that from the beginning, right, I thought.

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Speaker 2: They did put it all out there? Remember they had

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Speaker 2: all those influencers, but the finders, Yeah, DC Drena was there.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Yeah, he was one of.

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Speaker 2: Them, and they said there was more transis coming. Thank

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Speaker 2: you Rob, thank you Kevin, and thank you for listening today.

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Speaker 2: This has been Kendling Casey on ninety three w I

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Speaker 5: You go back, Yeah,