WEBVTT - Michael Live Review 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:10.600 The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everybody to the Frames 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.680 per Second Podcast. We are here to review the new 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.239 Michael Jackson movie live. Glad to have you guys with 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.680 us on board. Make sure you gotts check out is 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.320 the my Salon podcast that'll be out this week. We 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.680 have a conversation about Michael Jackson on there and Dennis 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:27.800 Sports as well. We're covering the NBA Playoffs for those 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.040 of you that are into that sort of thing, in 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.360 the NFL Draft and the NFL Draft. Yeah, we got 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.920 a full recap of that as well. Also check out 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.239 everything despite got going on with another week in the 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:42.479 books as well. Co signed by Mike too. Maybe you 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:48.440 know I'm went from to say something crazy track my 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.760 my recommendation. But yeah, so the movie is finally here, man. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:57.960 Uh so let's go around the room real quick. Mike, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.120 how did you enjoy Michael? 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.000 Uh, it was okay, it was okay. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.920 I mean, there's obviously omissions, but I think they were 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.800 very smart and ending it where they did so they 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:12.000 didn't have to discuss. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.040 Any of that, which was intentional, by the way. Oh 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.520 I'm sure, yeah they even said it. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.039 Yeah, I didn't know the thing you said earlier but yeah, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.680 it was very clearly that they ended it so they 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:21.640 wouldn't have to, you know. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.639 But again, we'll. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:25.080 Get into it. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.320 But I feel like for a biopic, there was other 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.960 stuff that I would have kind of not even allegations, 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.800 but there was other stuff that I would have wished 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.240 that they would have dug into more. Yeah, but we'll 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.200 get into that. But it was It was fine for 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:44.720 what it was, Spike. It was a fun time. It 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.880 was a fun time. It wasn't like a very deep 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.800 movie or anything like that. I enjoyed the music. Of course, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.960 it's Michael Jackson. I think Jafar did a good job 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:59.320 of playing Mike. Who is that that's a Germaine. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:59.360 --> 0:01:59.880 that's Jermaine. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.800 I didn't know who, so I think he did a 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.720 good job of playing Michael Jackson. As I watched it, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.880 I and then heard the criticism of the rotten Tomato shit, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.960 and I'm sure we'll get into that stuff. But I 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.440 feel like they were too harsh on him, Like it 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.799 was just like a feel good movie. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.919 That's probably why they were harsh on him. Like, yeah, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:18.720 I was fine with that. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.640 I didn't learn anything new about Michael Jackson, but it 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.480 was still cool to see some of the stuff that 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.480 they didn't. One My one thing to what Michael saying, 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.920 what I would like to have seen more of is 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.040 like musical genius, Like I woulded like they did the 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.000 little thing when he was picking the name of thriller. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.639 I would have wanted to see more of that versus 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.639 some of the stuff that they showed. But all in all, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:39.920 it was I had a fun time. It was a 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:40.280 good movie. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:45.320 In me, what about your rot I was pleasantly surprised. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:50.160 I had no desire to see this. It looked hello 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:51.320 corny to me. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.280 When some of the previews that I saw, I was like, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:55.800 they just. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.400 Pulled his his nephew in here, because he looked like him. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.840 He's gonna do a horrible job acting. But I was 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.720 totally wrong. Yeah, I think Jafar did a did an 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.800 amazing job with this. I mean he embodies it felt 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.280 like he embodied him, you know what I'm saying. It's 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.080 like he took this role very seriously as far as 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.120 learning the moves. I think he even saw some of 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.160 the stuff too, right, If I'm not mistaken, I don't 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.720 know about that. But but no, I think he did 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:25.120 a really good job and Yeah, that was surprising. So yeah, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.600 I enjoyed it for the most part. You know, I'm 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.600 still trying to figure out if I if I like 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.880 American Dreams more. But but no, I think I think 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.840 it definitely exceeded my expectations. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.600 Absolutely not. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.160 American dream was the one that came on TV. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.640 Series is good to see because they had Angela Bassett, Like, yeah, yeah, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.080 the series was really good. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.480 This series was really good. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.840 Uh and it was only a two part series, you know, 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.920 they ran it all the time on TV. But I 0:03:58.920 --> 0:03:59.960 feel like it did a good job with it that 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.440 I feel like just took they just took notes from 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.520 that and put it to this movie. Honestly, and call 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:06.560 me did a great job. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.960 As a as Joe think, yes, what you did. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.120 What you're saying that what he was doing the whole movie. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.760 He didn't close his mouth every. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:24.360 Rod, he fitted into every rod, but it worked him. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.520 Playing with Coleman. He bodied this good. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.040 Was almost like his movie he killed. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.120 Yah. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.040 Yeah, Joe's story. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.440 He talking to the screen every time he came on, 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:39.839 somebody had something to say to the screen. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.560 Yeah, yeah, you're right about that. Yeah, did y'all have 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.119 a lot of that in your movie? 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:44.880 I didn't. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.800 You didn't neither. I didn't. I saw around. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.360 I saw it on social media, people like basically dancing 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:50.919 getting it was a concert. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.279 When I left out the mask like my father, it 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.120 made me even man, yes, and I'm oh, I know 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.280 you were. We we ain't talk about no more. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.799 And I'm looking for my phone in the back day Jackson, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.159 stop you get enough. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:06.400 And you mad? 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.760 Yeah, wow, I've done that before and I'm glad it 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.680 didn't crack my phone. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:14.960 But I was concerned about that. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:20.160 So yeah, well we had like halfway through the movie. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.640 I just always try to put mine in my pocket. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.320 I'm bad about that. Mine is always right here. I need, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:26.640 I need to stop. That's why I had. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.200 Sitting there right. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.119 Yeah. Yeah, I put mine in the cup holder sometimes 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:30.760 under that. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.159 Every one a while, every time I get up, I 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.600 do a full sweep of my chair. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.719 See I don't put any First of all, I know 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.479 he ain't talk about the movie, y'all, but real quick, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.200 but he. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.880 Told the story about his phone that happened spikes fall. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.920 But I always have the close capturing device that goes 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.640 in the couple and if that's not there, y'all know, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:52.479 I bring a whole meal. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.200 So I got my drink, my sandwiches, some fries, all 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.360 that spread. Bro, I don't play. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.800 But look, there's only one Joe Jackson to me, man, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:02.880 and it was in this movie. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.880 No, the American Dream. I think he was way better. No, no, y'all, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:08.840 no way, bro. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.000 Maic Dream is good, don'tkid me, but but I feel 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.800 like he he looked more like he. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.279 I don't know. Yeah, it's just different. No, that's that's 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.720 Coman Domingo's manner. That was Joe. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:26.719 Motherfucking yes, it was dude tripping, Lawrence Hilton Jacobs. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.160 That was Joe. That motherfucker. Y'all remember him? I do, 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.440 I know that's Joe Jackson. Joe Jackson, Bro, y'all tripping, bro, Yeah, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.600 when he was young. Remember American Dream. There's only one. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.400 Remember there's only one Michael Jackson's story, and it's The 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:44.159 American Dream. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.080 American Dream is really good. It is. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.720 Michael isn't topping that Joe Jackson is though, No, Michael was. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.600 I mean the American Ding was just more dramatic. I 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.520 think it was more than you like this. It's just 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.360 more stuff to care about in that movie. This movie 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.440 is just like really it was a. It was a celebration, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:06.800 like a fluff piece. But it's Michael Jackson, so it's good. Yes, 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.880 But I think if the story, even though that's about 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.880 the Jackson's true and this is about Michael, I still 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.280 felt like, like, look, I had a good time watching it. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.280 I didn't think it was as bad as the critics 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.160 were making it out to be. And I understand, right, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.560 I understand their criticisms because halfway through it, I realized 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.880 I was like, oh, okay, yeah, there's no real death, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.520 there's no real character. I don't really know Mike. Like, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.040 we already know this story. It is a celebration, which 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.520 is why people were having a good time with it. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.240 We already know how bad Joe is, which is why 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.800 they kind of I know, the family word of all, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.000 but why they kind of stayed away from some of 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.360 that stuff. A lot of that stuff we saw in 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.520 the American Dream Move series. You know, we saw how 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.280 abusive he was as a wife and a father, like 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.520 and they went there and this one we really from 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.160 what I remember this one, we really only saw him 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.120 what Michael want on time, but it was definitely understood 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.280 and implied and we all know it. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.160 It's the one, it's the secret that everybody knows. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.080 So, you know, I feel like they could have delved 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.360 a little bit more into that and showed how much 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.960 that scarred Michael and Mate, because we I think the 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.440 movie basically just kind of said like, oh, yeah, he 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.000 didn't really have a great childhood, but it didn't it 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.160 didn't go deep into it enough to justify the weirdot 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.000 shit he was doing. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.680 Yeah, you know, yeah, that was that was my kind 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.840 of my issue with the film. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.000 But yeah, anytime anytime Coleman was on the screen, I 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.400 was legit like, that's not Coleman Domingo, that's fucking Joe Jackson. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.320 Looks like him, acts like him. The ship was insane 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.200 to me, damn. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:46.000 Yeah. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.560 But overall though, yeah, I like when I first got there, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.440 I was like, oh my god, I'm sitting behind by 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.120 side beside these people. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:54.679 And they gonna talk. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.240 They're gonna talk the whole movie, and I'm like, this 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.319 shit's gonna annoy me. What the hell did I do? 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.280 But after a while it didn't really bother me. People 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.160 were clapping, people were cheering and all this other stuff. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.680 So it's really told in three parts. For the most part, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.360 you had his early childhood, and then you have the 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.240 Quincierra and then you at the post Quincy era, you know, uh, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.760 ending with bad before all of the allegations hit. But 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:31.280 so let's talk about like the early beginnings of Mike Again, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.680 we know the story of Michael Jackson. There's not really 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.000 a lot to really kind of break down and talk 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 through in terms of like different things out. But if 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.560 you guys have a scene or a particular moment, feel 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.959 free to interchet. But you know, it's just Michael in 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.800 the beginning. He's a kid. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.280 He's sitting there with his brothers and he's practicing, you know. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.640 And therein become the Jackson Five and Michael's on the lead, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.360 and we see Coleman one day coming home from work 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.200 and that was one of the things that was driving 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.160 him to push your sons further into this business so 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.400 they don't have to work about like him, you know 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.160 what he said in the same But what did you 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.160 guys think about like the first part of this movie, 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.080 like the early beginnings of the Jackson Five. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.240 So for me, oh wait, I just want to start 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.480 saying that I did take into account. I think you 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.920 asked me if I want to take my son so 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.560 I was trying to figure out is this a movie 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.880 that I want to take him to or that he 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.240 would enjoy, which I think he would ultimately enjoy it. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.959 But the stuff that happened in the early stages with 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.080 the father son dynamic, Yeah, yeah, I. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.000 Just didn't want to see that man, that was really hurtful. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.000 It was very It just it breaks your heart no 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.640 matter you know it happened, but it still breaks your 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.120 heart every time you see it. So just to kind 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.760 of talk about that beginning part, like you could kind 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.920 of get both sides right in a way, he was 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:56.280 just a. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.520 Little like like it was just it was just too much. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:00.320 It was too much. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.880 I understand that he was super determined to get his 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.360 family to a certain place, getting him out of Gary 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.199 and all of that, but I think there's. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.480 A slightly soft way to do that. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.000 Slightly well I mean slightly. I mean, you know, people 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.400 raised differently. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.439 Society had a different way of upbringing. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:25.720 There's been you know, uh, conversations and I think possible 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.760 studies about how corporal punishment is attached to you know, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.439 racism and all this other stuff. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.040 That Yeah, I've seen that. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:44.559 Yeah, but nevertheless, you know, I think over time, we 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.760 are evolving and continue to evolve in society. I'm not 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.360 saying that that stuff still doesn't exist, because it very 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.560 much so does. But you know, I'm different, you're different, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:01.959 and I have scene the need to put belt to 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.959 my kids to make them behave. But but back then 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.760 it was because I got it. I got the whippings. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:13.280 So yeah, but interesting you didn't get a whooping he 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:13.560 was too. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.719 Absolutely Okay, well we'll talk about so so remember the 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.000 interesting part We'll I'll bring up for next week on 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:20.440 inste Mice. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:20.880 I want to. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.439 I'm curious about what that was. But yeah, it was 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.439 like you knew, you knew what was gonna happen. I 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.680 think one thing right when I watched in the beginning 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.000 was I said, I was really hoping they didn't do 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.600 a lot with that, Like we didn't show repeated whoopings. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.920 And stuff like that. I think one for me was 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:36.520 good enough. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.160 I agree. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.160 So yeah, yeah, since we're on that point, A couple 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.960 of people didn't understand what I meant. Yes, I agree 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.559 with you. I was not saying that we need to 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.600 see more of Michael Jackson and his ass will. That's 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.960 not what I meant. What I meant is they didn't 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.480 go into it. They didn't discuss how that abuse affected him. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.640 They didn't even really talk about it at all. Honestly, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.360 it just was lingering. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:56.760 Yeah. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.680 The rest of the movie, yep, Yeah, Now, I. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.760 Mean they did have the one scene where you see 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.439 Michael Jackson go in the room and the door closes 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:04.920 and you see or you see him taking his belt 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.960 off and then the door closes. You're always getting a whooping. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.079 So yeah, I don't need to see a kid get 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.760 beat on screen to know that there's abuse. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:12.439 It's just the abuse. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.839 From what we've all understood throughout Michael Jackson's career is 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.559 that abuse really affected everything that he did after that. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.400 So I just wish they would have maybe talked about 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:29.040 that or shown the I think the scene with Clyde 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.840 was a cloud with Lorins take. I think that scene 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.240 kind of subtly played into it. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.480 But yeah, but I don't think we needed subtle in 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.679 something like this because it's like, why not go ahead 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.719 and talk about, Yeah, you're making a biopic and you're 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.839 trying to humanize this person that now a lot of 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.040 people either see as an icon or they see as 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.640 kind of a monster. Why don't you discuss why these 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:53.760 things could have happened. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.199 That's a good point. I think all of the the 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.560 bad stuff was subtle. The skin stuff with the glove, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.640 like they kept like it was subtle. There the nose, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:04.880 I think that was subtle. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.199 That didn't make any sense because the nose didn't look different. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:08.520 It was like. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.160 They eventually did a little bit too. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.520 But it was because Mike Jack had a nose. Bro 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.880 he was younger, he had like a like yeah, it was. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.880 Really subtle though, like all of that stuff, even that 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.160 they did suddenly, like when he called him big nose. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.640 Yeah, it's like the little kid's nose wasn't that big. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.760 I mean, little Mike Jack was a gorgeous kid, but 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:30.680 he had a big nose. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:32.000 The kid did. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:34.760 Who then was this little kid? 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:35.200 I don't know? 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:36.680 He was so good. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.520 He was in his bag when he sung remake song 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.920 Bobby whoever sung it before him? But what uh the 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.800 one that invoked got. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:51.280 When uh oh got you got again? 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.360 Yeah, that was really like Lorenz too. The way he 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.920 responded to him, like like just his face was expressed. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.960 Think he did a really good Lawrence title was he? 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.040 I couldn't see more of that yeah, I would have 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.080 seen more of that. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:07.760 And why. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.000 You know, it wasn't bad. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:11.040 It was good. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.360 I'm just tripping off you now. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:20.560 But okay, so you're right he was good. The reason 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.640 why is not because of that. You know what I 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.840 was thinking about Spike maybe power, that's all. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.160 That's what he is now, that's the part that it 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.200 was the he did the same thing when he checked Joe. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.040 We're just like, how about you going to do some 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.400 manager and the stun and let me handle this. All 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:43.400 I saw was congressman. I thought he did know. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.240 I thought he was better in this thing. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.760 He was, but that was that was that was that was, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:49.000 that was. 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.560 He didn't even looked you know what, Ma, you said, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:53.960 I didn't. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.920 I didn't. I didn't even peep that. Yeah. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.600 I wish I would have seen a little bit more 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.360 of Barrie's role because we has had him telling him 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.920 to stand still, Mike can stand still. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.440 Let me go in there, let me get it now. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.920 I wanted to get after let me go in there. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.680 I thought he's so good man. Yeah, no, that was 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.040 and you know, I wish a little bit more of 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.240 the mom like we only saw. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.800 Alone did a good job. I think wait, wait, wait, 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:30.440 what are you saying. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.640 I'm saying no, really, just always the impression that I 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.800 got of his mom, Like, but she could have go 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.480 with a little bit more. She needed to give a 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.560 little bit more because Andrew Bash gave a little bit 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.320 more to the Testament to American Dream. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.400 They didn't give her a big wrong. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.520 She was just like they could have gotten to do 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.840 that ship. They could have got anybody to do that 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.800 ship what she was doing. They could have got old 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.960 girl from what's her name, Taylor, what's her name. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:55.680 Taylor Rooks? 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.000 No, you know what I'm talking about. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.240 I know who exactly pain. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.840 They could have got her to do that ship. Yeah, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.080 she wasn't great, but I thought she was doing that purposely. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.879 I thought it was the character. I think it's just 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:10.600 the way he wrote her. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.480 Yeah, they didn't give her a lot. She just kind 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.000 of was there, just kind of standing around and looking 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.639 at ship. She didn't really get a bigger role in 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.359 the movie until later on when it was he was 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:25.159 more adult. But when you know, Mike was young and 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.160 these things are happening, you could see she has something 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.040 to say. She had thoughts and feelings about it, But 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.919 we didn't see the nurturing which to your point earlier 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.119 Mike could have played into that, right, like, here's this 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.919 guy being abusive to her kids, being abusive to her. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.159 She's fearful of him as well, and she's not giving 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.440 him the nurturing and care that you would expect from 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:48.760 the mom you know. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:54.560 So, and and that led to certain you know developments. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.399 You know, I like, I do like that because of that, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.480 she you know, suddenly said I'm sorry, and I feel 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:00.480 like that's I'm sorry. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.560 It was loaded later in the movie. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:07.080 So yeah, you're right, Yeah, yeah, without without having to 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.600 say say more. So yeah, I felt like they skate 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.400 skated over a lot of issues they could have dug 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.840 deeper into. So I can definitely see our critics, you know, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:18.680 criticized that part. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.800 But yeah, man, like somebody said in comments, this was 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.399 like a concert, like a musical. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.320 It was like about halfway through, three quarters of the 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:28.679 way through. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.040 That's what was the conclusion. I came, it's a musical. Yeah. Yeah. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.400 I also think that Janet is a hater. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.359 It has to be rolled out of this specifically, like 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.359 this movie not that bad or solacious. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.639 So I I read because my brother posted about it 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.000 saying how he loved it, and somebody brought up the 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.520 fact that Janet wasn't in it, and that's just the thing. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.440 I thought that was somebody were going, but they said 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:55.960 that there was. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.800