Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome everybody to the Frames
Speaker 1: per Second Podcast. We are here to review the new
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson movie live. Glad to have you guys with
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Speaker 1: Uh so let's go around the room real quick. Mike,
Speaker 1: how did you enjoy Michael?
Speaker 2: Uh, it was okay, it was okay.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's obviously omissions, but I think they were
Speaker 3: very smart and ending it where they did so they
Speaker 3: didn't have to discuss.
Speaker 1: Any of that, which was intentional, by the way. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah they even said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know the thing you said earlier but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very clearly that they ended it so they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have to, you know.
Speaker 2: But again, we'll.
Speaker 4: Get into it.
Speaker 5: But I feel like for a biopic, there was other
Speaker 5: stuff that I would have kind of not even allegations,
Speaker 5: but there was other stuff that I would have wished
Speaker 5: that they would have dug into more. Yeah, but we'll
Speaker 5: get into that. But it was It was fine for
Speaker 5: what it was, Spike. It was a fun time. It
Speaker 5: was a fun time. It wasn't like a very deep
Speaker 5: movie or anything like that. I enjoyed the music. Of course,
Speaker 5: it's Michael Jackson. I think Jafar did a good job
Speaker 5: of playing Mike. Who is that that's a Germaine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's Jermaine.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who, so I think he did a
Speaker 1: good job of playing Michael Jackson. As I watched it,
Speaker 1: I and then heard the criticism of the rotten Tomato shit,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll get into that stuff. But I
Speaker 1: feel like they were too harsh on him, Like it
Speaker 1: was just like a feel good movie.
Speaker 6: That's probably why they were harsh on him. Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was fine with that.
Speaker 1: I didn't learn anything new about Michael Jackson, but it
Speaker 1: was still cool to see some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: they didn't. One My one thing to what Michael saying,
Speaker 1: what I would like to have seen more of is
Speaker 1: like musical genius, Like I woulded like they did the
Speaker 1: little thing when he was picking the name of thriller.
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to see more of that versus
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they showed. But all in all,
Speaker 1: it was I had a fun time. It was a
Speaker 1: good movie.
Speaker 5: In me, what about your rot I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 5: I had no desire to see this. It looked hello
Speaker 5: corny to me.
Speaker 4: When some of the previews that I saw, I was like,
Speaker 4: they just.
Speaker 5: Pulled his his nephew in here, because he looked like him.
Speaker 5: He's gonna do a horrible job acting. But I was
Speaker 5: totally wrong. Yeah, I think Jafar did a did an
Speaker 5: amazing job with this. I mean he embodies it felt
Speaker 5: like he embodied him, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 5: like he took this role very seriously as far as
Speaker 5: learning the moves. I think he even saw some of
Speaker 5: the stuff too, right, If I'm not mistaken, I don't
Speaker 5: know about that. But but no, I think he did
Speaker 5: a really good job and Yeah, that was surprising. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it for the most part. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: still trying to figure out if I if I like
Speaker 5: American Dreams more. But but no, I think I think
Speaker 5: it definitely exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: American dream was the one that came on TV.
Speaker 5: Series is good to see because they had Angela Bassett, Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: the series was really good.
Speaker 4: This series was really good.
Speaker 5: Uh and it was only a two part series, you know,
Speaker 5: they ran it all the time on TV. But I
Speaker 5: feel like it did a good job with it that
Speaker 5: I feel like just took they just took notes from
Speaker 5: that and put it to this movie. Honestly, and call
Speaker 5: me did a great job.
Speaker 4: As a as Joe think, yes, what you did.
Speaker 2: What you're saying that what he was doing the whole movie.
Speaker 4: He didn't close his mouth every.
Speaker 5: Rod, he fitted into every rod, but it worked him.
Speaker 2: Playing with Coleman. He bodied this good.
Speaker 5: Was almost like his movie he killed.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe's story.
Speaker 1: He talking to the screen every time he came on,
Speaker 1: somebody had something to say to the screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right about that. Yeah, did y'all have
Speaker 4: a lot of that in your movie?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't neither. I didn't. I saw around.
Speaker 5: I saw it on social media, people like basically dancing
Speaker 5: getting it was a concert.
Speaker 2: When I left out the mask like my father, it
Speaker 2: made me even man, yes, and I'm oh, I know
Speaker 2: you were. We we ain't talk about no more.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking for my phone in the back day Jackson,
Speaker 1: stop you get enough.
Speaker 4: And you mad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I've done that before and I'm glad it
Speaker 1: didn't crack my phone.
Speaker 4: But I was concerned about that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well we had like halfway through the movie.
Speaker 4: I just always try to put mine in my pocket.
Speaker 2: I'm bad about that. Mine is always right here. I need,
Speaker 2: I need to stop. That's why I had.
Speaker 4: Sitting there right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I put mine in the cup holder sometimes
Speaker 5: under that.
Speaker 1: Every one a while, every time I get up, I
Speaker 1: do a full sweep of my chair.
Speaker 3: See I don't put any First of all, I know
Speaker 3: he ain't talk about the movie, y'all, but real quick,
Speaker 3: but he.
Speaker 4: Told the story about his phone that happened spikes fall.
Speaker 3: But I always have the close capturing device that goes
Speaker 3: in the couple and if that's not there, y'all know,
Speaker 3: I bring a whole meal.
Speaker 2: So I got my drink, my sandwiches, some fries, all
Speaker 2: that spread. Bro, I don't play.
Speaker 1: But look, there's only one Joe Jackson to me, man,
Speaker 1: and it was in this movie.
Speaker 4: No, the American Dream. I think he was way better. No, no, y'all,
Speaker 4: no way, bro.
Speaker 5: Maic Dream is good, don'tkid me, but but I feel
Speaker 5: like he he looked more like he.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, it's just different. No, that's that's
Speaker 4: Coman Domingo's manner. That was Joe.
Speaker 1: Motherfucking yes, it was dude tripping, Lawrence Hilton Jacobs.
Speaker 4: That was Joe. That motherfucker. Y'all remember him? I do,
Speaker 4: I know that's Joe Jackson. Joe Jackson, Bro, y'all tripping, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 4: when he was young. Remember American Dream. There's only one.
Speaker 1: Remember there's only one Michael Jackson's story, and it's The
Speaker 1: American Dream.
Speaker 4: American Dream is really good. It is.
Speaker 1: Michael isn't topping that Joe Jackson is though, No, Michael was.
Speaker 1: I mean the American Ding was just more dramatic. I
Speaker 1: think it was more than you like this. It's just
Speaker 1: more stuff to care about in that movie. This movie
Speaker 1: is just like really it was a. It was a celebration,
Speaker 1: like a fluff piece. But it's Michael Jackson, so it's good. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I think if the story, even though that's about
Speaker 1: the Jackson's true and this is about Michael, I still
Speaker 1: felt like, like, look, I had a good time watching it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was as bad as the critics
Speaker 1: were making it out to be. And I understand, right,
Speaker 1: I understand their criticisms because halfway through it, I realized
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, yeah, there's no real death,
Speaker 1: there's no real character. I don't really know Mike. Like,
Speaker 1: we already know this story. It is a celebration, which
Speaker 1: is why people were having a good time with it.
Speaker 1: We already know how bad Joe is, which is why
Speaker 1: they kind of I know, the family word of all,
Speaker 1: but why they kind of stayed away from some of
Speaker 1: that stuff. A lot of that stuff we saw in
Speaker 1: the American Dream Move series. You know, we saw how
Speaker 1: abusive he was as a wife and a father, like
Speaker 1: and they went there and this one we really from
Speaker 1: what I remember this one, we really only saw him
Speaker 1: what Michael want on time, but it was definitely understood
Speaker 1: and implied and we all know it.
Speaker 4: It's the one, it's the secret that everybody knows.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I feel like they could have delved
Speaker 3: a little bit more into that and showed how much
Speaker 3: that scarred Michael and Mate, because we I think the
Speaker 3: movie basically just kind of said like, oh, yeah, he
Speaker 3: didn't really have a great childhood, but it didn't it
Speaker 3: didn't go deep into it enough to justify the weirdot
Speaker 3: shit he was doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, that was that was my kind
Speaker 4: of my issue with the film.
Speaker 3: But yeah, anytime anytime Coleman was on the screen, I
Speaker 3: was legit like, that's not Coleman Domingo, that's fucking Joe Jackson.
Speaker 2: Looks like him, acts like him. The ship was insane
Speaker 2: to me, damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But overall though, yeah, I like when I first got there,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm sitting behind by
Speaker 1: side beside these people.
Speaker 2: And they gonna talk.
Speaker 4: They're gonna talk the whole movie, and I'm like, this
Speaker 4: shit's gonna annoy me. What the hell did I do?
Speaker 1: But after a while it didn't really bother me. People
Speaker 1: were clapping, people were cheering and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's really told in three parts. For the most part,
Speaker 1: you had his early childhood, and then you have the
Speaker 1: Quincierra and then you at the post Quincy era, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: ending with bad before all of the allegations hit. But
Speaker 1: so let's talk about like the early beginnings of Mike Again,
Speaker 1: we know the story of Michael Jackson. There's not really
Speaker 1: a lot to really kind of break down and talk
Speaker 1: through in terms of like different things out. But if
Speaker 1: you guys have a scene or a particular moment, feel
Speaker 1: free to interchet. But you know, it's just Michael in
Speaker 1: the beginning. He's a kid.
Speaker 4: He's sitting there with his brothers and he's practicing, you know.
Speaker 1: And therein become the Jackson Five and Michael's on the lead,
Speaker 1: and we see Coleman one day coming home from work
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things that was driving
Speaker 1: him to push your sons further into this business so
Speaker 1: they don't have to work about like him, you know
Speaker 1: what he said in the same But what did you
Speaker 1: guys think about like the first part of this movie,
Speaker 1: like the early beginnings of the Jackson Five.
Speaker 5: So for me, oh wait, I just want to start
Speaker 5: saying that I did take into account. I think you
Speaker 5: asked me if I want to take my son so
Speaker 5: I was trying to figure out is this a movie
Speaker 5: that I want to take him to or that he
Speaker 5: would enjoy, which I think he would ultimately enjoy it.
Speaker 5: But the stuff that happened in the early stages with
Speaker 5: the father son dynamic, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Just didn't want to see that man, that was really hurtful.
Speaker 5: It was very It just it breaks your heart no
Speaker 5: matter you know it happened, but it still breaks your
Speaker 5: heart every time you see it. So just to kind
Speaker 5: of talk about that beginning part, like you could kind
Speaker 5: of get both sides right in a way, he was
Speaker 5: just a.
Speaker 4: Little like like it was just it was just too much.
Speaker 4: It was too much.
Speaker 5: I understand that he was super determined to get his
Speaker 5: family to a certain place, getting him out of Gary
Speaker 5: and all of that, but I think there's.
Speaker 4: A slightly soft way to do that.
Speaker 2: Slightly well I mean slightly. I mean, you know, people
Speaker 2: raised differently.
Speaker 4: Society had a different way of upbringing.
Speaker 1: There's been you know, uh, conversations and I think possible
Speaker 1: studies about how corporal punishment is attached to you know,
Speaker 1: racism and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: That Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nevertheless, you know, I think over time, we
Speaker 1: are evolving and continue to evolve in society. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that stuff still doesn't exist, because it very
Speaker 1: much so does. But you know, I'm different, you're different,
Speaker 1: and I have scene the need to put belt to
Speaker 1: my kids to make them behave. But but back then
Speaker 1: it was because I got it. I got the whippings.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but interesting you didn't get a whooping he
Speaker 4: was too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay, well we'll talk about so so remember the
Speaker 1: interesting part We'll I'll bring up for next week on
Speaker 1: inste Mice.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about what that was. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like you knew, you knew what was gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: think one thing right when I watched in the beginning
Speaker 1: was I said, I was really hoping they didn't do
Speaker 1: a lot with that, Like we didn't show repeated whoopings.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that. I think one for me was
Speaker 4: good enough.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, since we're on that point, A couple
Speaker 3: of people didn't understand what I meant. Yes, I agree
Speaker 3: with you. I was not saying that we need to
Speaker 3: see more of Michael Jackson and his ass will. That's
Speaker 3: not what I meant. What I meant is they didn't
Speaker 3: go into it. They didn't discuss how that abuse affected him.
Speaker 3: They didn't even really talk about it at all. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it just was lingering.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The rest of the movie, yep, Yeah, Now, I.
Speaker 3: Mean they did have the one scene where you see
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson go in the room and the door closes
Speaker 3: and you see or you see him taking his belt
Speaker 3: off and then the door closes. You're always getting a whooping.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't need to see a kid get
Speaker 3: beat on screen to know that there's abuse.
Speaker 2: It's just the abuse.
Speaker 3: From what we've all understood throughout Michael Jackson's career is
Speaker 3: that abuse really affected everything that he did after that.
Speaker 5: So I just wish they would have maybe talked about
Speaker 5: that or shown the I think the scene with Clyde
Speaker 5: was a cloud with Lorins take. I think that scene
Speaker 5: kind of subtly played into it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I don't think we needed subtle in
Speaker 3: something like this because it's like, why not go ahead
Speaker 3: and talk about, Yeah, you're making a biopic and you're
Speaker 3: trying to humanize this person that now a lot of
Speaker 3: people either see as an icon or they see as
Speaker 3: kind of a monster. Why don't you discuss why these
Speaker 3: things could have happened.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I think all of the the
Speaker 1: bad stuff was subtle. The skin stuff with the glove,
Speaker 1: like they kept like it was subtle. There the nose,
Speaker 1: I think that was subtle.
Speaker 2: That didn't make any sense because the nose didn't look different.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 4: They eventually did a little bit too.
Speaker 2: But it was because Mike Jack had a nose. Bro
Speaker 2: he was younger, he had like a like yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: Really subtle though, like all of that stuff, even that
Speaker 5: they did suddenly, like when he called him big nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the little kid's nose wasn't that big.
Speaker 3: I mean, little Mike Jack was a gorgeous kid, but
Speaker 3: he had a big nose.
Speaker 4: The kid did.
Speaker 2: Who then was this little kid?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 2: He was so good.
Speaker 1: He was in his bag when he sung remake song
Speaker 1: Bobby whoever sung it before him? But what uh the
Speaker 1: one that invoked got.
Speaker 2: When uh oh got you got again?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was really like Lorenz too. The way he
Speaker 5: responded to him, like like just his face was expressed.
Speaker 2: Think he did a really good Lawrence title was he?
Speaker 6: I couldn't see more of that yeah, I would have
Speaker 6: seen more of that.
Speaker 4: And why.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 4: It was good.
Speaker 2: I'm just tripping off you now.
Speaker 1: But okay, so you're right he was good. The reason
Speaker 1: why is not because of that. You know what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about Spike maybe power, that's all.
Speaker 5: That's what he is now, that's the part that it
Speaker 5: was the he did the same thing when he checked Joe.
Speaker 4: We're just like, how about you going to do some
Speaker 4: manager and the stun and let me handle this. All
Speaker 4: I saw was congressman. I thought he did know.
Speaker 2: I thought he was better in this thing.
Speaker 4: He was, but that was that was that was that was,
Speaker 4: that was.
Speaker 2: He didn't even looked you know what, Ma, you said,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't even peep that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have seen a little bit more
Speaker 1: of Barrie's role because we has had him telling him
Speaker 1: to stand still, Mike can stand still.
Speaker 6: Let me go in there, let me get it now.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get after let me go in there.
Speaker 4: I thought he's so good man. Yeah, no, that was
Speaker 4: and you know, I wish a little bit more of
Speaker 4: the mom like we only saw.
Speaker 2: Alone did a good job. I think wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: what are you saying.
Speaker 5: I'm saying no, really, just always the impression that I
Speaker 5: got of his mom, Like, but she could have go
Speaker 5: with a little bit more. She needed to give a
Speaker 5: little bit more because Andrew Bash gave a little bit
Speaker 5: more to the Testament to American Dream.
Speaker 4: They didn't give her a big wrong.
Speaker 5: She was just like they could have gotten to do
Speaker 5: that ship. They could have got anybody to do that
Speaker 5: ship what she was doing. They could have got old
Speaker 5: girl from what's her name, Taylor, what's her name.
Speaker 4: Taylor Rooks?
Speaker 2: No, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: I know who exactly pain.
Speaker 2: They could have got her to do that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she wasn't great, but I thought she was doing that purposely.
Speaker 4: I thought it was the character. I think it's just
Speaker 4: the way he wrote her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't give her a lot. She just kind
Speaker 1: of was there, just kind of standing around and looking
Speaker 1: at ship. She didn't really get a bigger role in
Speaker 1: the movie until later on when it was he was
Speaker 1: more adult. But when you know, Mike was young and
Speaker 1: these things are happening, you could see she has something
Speaker 1: to say. She had thoughts and feelings about it, But
Speaker 1: we didn't see the nurturing which to your point earlier
Speaker 1: Mike could have played into that, right, like, here's this
Speaker 1: guy being abusive to her kids, being abusive to her.
Speaker 1: She's fearful of him as well, and she's not giving
Speaker 1: him the nurturing and care that you would expect from
Speaker 1: the mom you know.
Speaker 4: So, and and that led to certain you know developments.
Speaker 5: You know, I like, I do like that because of that,
Speaker 5: she you know, suddenly said I'm sorry, and I feel
Speaker 5: like that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It was loaded later in the movie.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you're right, Yeah, yeah, without without having to
Speaker 5: say say more. So yeah, I felt like they skate
Speaker 5: skated over a lot of issues they could have dug
Speaker 5: deeper into. So I can definitely see our critics, you know,
Speaker 5: criticized that part.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, like somebody said in comments, this was
Speaker 2: like a concert, like a musical.
Speaker 1: It was like about halfway through, three quarters of the
Speaker 1: way through.
Speaker 4: That's what was the conclusion. I came, it's a musical. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also think that Janet is a hater.
Speaker 1: It has to be rolled out of this specifically, like
Speaker 1: this movie not that bad or solacious.
Speaker 3: So I I read because my brother posted about it
Speaker 3: saying how he loved it, and somebody brought up the
Speaker 3: fact that Janet wasn't in it, and that's just the thing.
Speaker 2: I thought that was somebody were going, but they said
Speaker 2: that there was.
Speaker 3: It was an issue because I can't remember the details,
Speaker 3: but Ja'afar was from like a relationship that from like.
Speaker 2: Cheating or something.
Speaker 5: I think it was something about the mom dated to
Speaker 5: Jackson's rand and that's what they were saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she got she got kids by both type.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they were saying that Janet is cooler with
Speaker 3: the first wherever the first that Okay, I guess Randy,
Speaker 3: and I guess this woman, whoever Jafar's mother is, And
Speaker 3: y'all don't hold me to this.
Speaker 2: This is just what I read on my brother's Facebook,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: But they were saying that Janet didn't want to be
Speaker 3: in it because ja'far was in it and she wanted
Speaker 3: to stay true to Randy.
Speaker 5: She didn't congratulate Gaffar, though she said it did an
Speaker 5: amazing job.
Speaker 4: I did see that he looked just like Michael. That
Speaker 4: shit was creepy. He favored Michael a lot, I'll say that.
Speaker 4: So you didn't realize they were family. I didn't either.
Speaker 4: Some don't feel stupid. Didn't. I didn't either.
Speaker 2: I thought was the lord in the movie. I thought
Speaker 2: y'all knew that.
Speaker 5: I didn't look into this because I didn't have any
Speaker 5: planning on seeing it until y'all said we were gonna
Speaker 5: do it for a live I wasn't gonna go watch this.
Speaker 4: That was the whole thing.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was that that his nephew was playing
Speaker 2: a part of him.
Speaker 3: I was literally like, when I first saw the trailer,
Speaker 3: I was like, what white women are they gonna get
Speaker 3: to play Mike jack And when Jafar showed up, I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, they did some really good fucking special
Speaker 3: effects on this degro because this looks just the funk
Speaker 3: like him. So the fact that he's related makes all
Speaker 3: of it. At what point did y'all realize that he.
Speaker 4: Was after yesterday?
Speaker 1: After the movie, you didn't know. You didn't know that
Speaker 1: that was his I didn't find out until I asked.
Speaker 1: I saw Jaffar Jackson when I left the theater, I
Speaker 1: was like, who played Mike?
Speaker 4: And I saw the name.
Speaker 1: I just didn't get a chance to click on it
Speaker 1: to see if he was related. That's why I asked today,
Speaker 1: because I never I didn't get it. I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance yesterday to look it up. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was was so much sense.
Speaker 6: I wonder was he an actor before it was they
Speaker 6: just got that is really impressing.
Speaker 4: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: That's why I was concerned.
Speaker 5: I didn't know it was. I assumed he wasn't an actor.
Speaker 5: I just because I had never seen his name anywhere before.
Speaker 5: I'm like, they just pulled this dude because this is
Speaker 5: his nephew and he looks like him, so how hell
Speaker 5: he gonna do this?
Speaker 4: He did it? He did, Yeah, he did, he did.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 1: But it was fun watching like the earlier parts of
Speaker 1: the Jackson five and Michael and just seeing like his
Speaker 1: talent and seeing like he definitely was like it like
Speaker 1: him as they say, like leaps and bounds above everybody else,
Speaker 1: Like when he sung like it was it was just
Speaker 1: crazy like it was. It was undenivel you know, and
Speaker 1: it was good. They kind of put this in there
Speaker 1: as well. How he got his dance moves from James
Speaker 1: Brown I've always known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that was an American dream. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if it was it not. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was, unless maybe I just forgot. I thought he
Speaker 2: saw him.
Speaker 5: I think he was like on the side of the
Speaker 5: stage of Myron. They had went to a show. He
Speaker 5: saw James Brown.
Speaker 2: But I guess I just didn't know that he studied
Speaker 2: him the way this movie portrayed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I ain't know about studying part. I just
Speaker 5: assumed that he's studying because some of the moves of
Speaker 5: James Brown.
Speaker 2: They didn't even think about it until this movie.
Speaker 4: Wow, trying to not.
Speaker 2: Like I took mine bad and somebody he's like, no,
Speaker 2: fuck that Wow.
Speaker 5: No, I really I never thought about it, never thought
Speaker 5: about it, those old, those old Jackson five eraon Mike
Speaker 5: jack moves.
Speaker 2: It was James Brown.
Speaker 5: I never thought about it all that sliding across the
Speaker 5: stage because James Brown shus to do something similar where
Speaker 5: he did ice skating ship, so he would put his.
Speaker 4: Hands behind his back and he was less like slide forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, so so like yeah, man, James Brown
Speaker 2: was cold. He was really was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I do one critique I did have about
Speaker 1: it was like the pacing because I didn't know because
Speaker 1: I know you said they were gonna stop at Bad
Speaker 1: and it felt like and maybe I just wanted to
Speaker 1: spend more time with the Jackson five young Mike, But
Speaker 1: it felt like we rushed through like different parts of
Speaker 1: his career. So when we went from him being at Motown,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to see more of the story there,
Speaker 1: more of his relationship with Barry Gordy and all of that, because.
Speaker 4: We didn't get a lot.
Speaker 1: We got that one moment where he was asking about
Speaker 1: the midst and mastering, and then it was like, you
Speaker 1: can ask me anything, Michael.
Speaker 4: He was at the Fair Rounds performing and then I
Speaker 4: see you no.
Speaker 2: Off the Wall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, Okay, that was that was fast.
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Like this movie, even though it was long, it was
Speaker 3: two hours and second, I believe it maybe either should
Speaker 3: have been broken up into two parts or this ship
Speaker 3: could have been three. You know, if you can make
Speaker 3: a three hour Star Wars film, if you can make
Speaker 3: a three hour fucking whatever. But yeah, I did think
Speaker 3: that that was a very abrupt jump, and that's a
Speaker 3: point where they could have talked about the abuse.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what for you.
Speaker 2: They kind of jumped from him being a kid to
Speaker 2: him I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: Do off the Wall without Joe's without Joe's.
Speaker 2: Permission, right, What wasn't a huge deal? By did think
Speaker 2: it was awkward? What did it jump from? It jumped
Speaker 2: from him being a kid to him at what point
Speaker 2: of a kid?
Speaker 4: Like they was fair? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Fair?
Speaker 4: And I think that was sixty No, it wasn't. There
Speaker 4: wasn't sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Was it six sevent twelve years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was sixty nine to seventy nine?
Speaker 5: Right, it was like eight years maybe maybe it said
Speaker 5: eight years later somewhere. I think he probably said eight
Speaker 5: years later that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because how was he when he made Off
Speaker 6: the Wall?
Speaker 2: It was in seven eighteen? Yeah, so yeah, he lied
Speaker 2: about he lied about his age.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he was a ten instead of ten,
Speaker 5: and then they jumped eight years so he was actually twenty. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 5: he doing that fucking RFK the RFK math because I
Speaker 5: thought he was younger than twenty.
Speaker 2: Actually, I thought he was like sixteen when he made
Speaker 2: Off the Wall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to find oh was Yeah, I thought
Speaker 5: they started doing that that that uh not Collige, but
Speaker 5: the uh.
Speaker 2: They just started playing.
Speaker 4: Yeah it will start playing the song. Yeah, but that
Speaker 4: was the young mic, right, right.
Speaker 2: And there was so much that happened between that point
Speaker 2: and Off the Wall, they didn't touch on the Wiz.
Speaker 2: They didn't touch what happened. Oh he was twenty Wow,
Speaker 2: they released right before he turned twenty one. They they
Speaker 2: just I don't know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a big but they skipped over ship that
Speaker 3: was very formative for him, Like the WIZ was huge
Speaker 3: from Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Did I see my tripple? Did I see a clip
Speaker 2: of the Wiz?
Speaker 4: I thought that was it? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it was a small I think I missed
Speaker 1: it too. That means it more than that little model
Speaker 1: that was in seventy eight too. Right, he was working
Speaker 1: on Off the Wall and Wiz had the clip of
Speaker 1: the Lion. I think because he played the lion, right,
Speaker 1: he played They're about to light you uppy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Richard.
Speaker 2: Richard Pride, Richard played us Okay, got you got. I
Speaker 2: don't remember who the lion was. I don't know if
Speaker 2: the lion was like a famous person. Yes, so they
Speaker 2: showed like a very quick clip of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, so the middle part of this movie.
Speaker 2: What Dona Ross didn't want to be mentioned in the movie.
Speaker 4: That's why I knew that.
Speaker 3: I knew it had to be something like that because
Speaker 3: they completely skipped over Dirty Diana and all that ship
Speaker 3: Dirty that was also a big thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Donna Ross said, don't use her name likeness.
Speaker 3: None, but funk that like a lot of people assume
Speaker 3: and speculate that her being older fucking around with younger
Speaker 3: Mike kind of pushed him to allegedly do what he was.
Speaker 4: Doing so bad Gladdison.
Speaker 1: So that's why they had Gladys Okay, all right, yeah
Speaker 1: that was that was like, why is Gladyson here? Public
Speaker 1: Enemy B said The line was played by the person
Speaker 1: from the original stage play. Mm hmm, all right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the second part of the movie was the Quincy Jones era,
Speaker 1: which I think they spared through this ship as well.
Speaker 4: They should have took the guy from Insecure playing I
Speaker 4: liked who is the different Lawrence? Lawrence?
Speaker 2: I can't think his name.
Speaker 4: We had a nickname for him. Anyway, I was looking
Speaker 4: at it was.
Speaker 5: I kept thinking it was fucking Hazare from Different World,
Speaker 5: the dude that Freddie was dating, the big tall white
Speaker 5: skin to do.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you, I meant to look it up.
Speaker 1: That I would have loved to see more of his
Speaker 1: creative process for making one of the best fucking albums
Speaker 1: ever in life. So just standing at the board and
Speaker 1: thinking in the pool didn't do it for me. Like
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be in the studio and they
Speaker 1: said to him and Quincy Jones was kind of slick
Speaker 1: beefing like during that year they were it was a
Speaker 1: contentious relationship. They had creative differences at first at first,
Speaker 1: but then it got to a contentious relationship.
Speaker 2: I know you had that with Will Smith.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Wait what there was contention with with Will Smith and
Speaker 5: Quincy sometime, like.
Speaker 1: I like Michael Jackson, Yeah what Quincy got a track
Speaker 1: record for that? Oh yeah, yeah, like beefing with his
Speaker 1: autists and being real. But his documentary was good. It
Speaker 1: was it was they didn't you never seen the documentary?
Speaker 4: Was One Man Another One bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you guys think about the second
Speaker 1: part the Quincy Jones kind of era. This is also
Speaker 1: when he hired John Bronco or whatever he got the
Speaker 1: Bill Bray was the bodyguard, but he got hired in
Speaker 1: the first part.
Speaker 4: Of the movie. But he was with him the whole time.
Speaker 2: So, oh was that a thing?
Speaker 6: Like that?
Speaker 4: Was that a thing?
Speaker 2: Was he always with him?
Speaker 1: Like that Moles Taylor played John Brocco, was like, that's
Speaker 1: the guy, the lawyer, Lawyer, that's the guy that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a big deal. And I didn't have
Speaker 1: context in it either. Yeah, him, I was supposed to be. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought the movie portrayed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 2: The Bodyguard. I mean I understood.
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I remember that being a thing where that dude was
Speaker 2: always around.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I didn't. I didn't really, I'm either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the other movie made that scene
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy was really prevalent as far as
Speaker 1: the lawyer got and I just they went over my head.
Speaker 4: Same yeah with you as much as I think I
Speaker 4: know about Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I was waiting for them to make
Speaker 1: that whole thing makes sense that they never really did.
Speaker 1: What makes sense in what way what they're saying, Like
Speaker 1: John Bronco, the way they made it seem like he's
Speaker 1: gonna come in and he was gonna.
Speaker 4: Be responsible for taking Mike to the next level. And
Speaker 4: I didn't really get that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they put him in there just for
Speaker 5: the not just for but one of the main reasons
Speaker 5: to to send that facts to his dad.
Speaker 2: That was funny.
Speaker 5: Man, you want us to do right, they always get it.
Speaker 5: Joe when he received oh man, he went right to
Speaker 5: the room. I'm whoop his No, you're not.
Speaker 2: He's grown. He has grown to know what you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Beat him? She would really wasn't thinking you could be
Speaker 4: an adult? Is crazy? Twenty years old at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's not This ain't going to be no whooping. He
Speaker 4: thought he was gonna whoop it like he was a kid.
Speaker 2: He said, hes gonna get my belt when he comes
Speaker 2: in here. Yeah, I was wondering.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been living and you know what, the
Speaker 1: way that made it seem like Mike probably would have
Speaker 1: to He probably would have got that belt.
Speaker 2: Twenty years old, mom, wan have stepped in.
Speaker 4: One thing I didn't realize is that he stayed in
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 1: Because about his house, I get it. And when I'm
Speaker 1: saying with Joe house, no, it was Michael's house. Okay,
Speaker 1: Michael pay for that house.
Speaker 2: That had to be his.
Speaker 5: All the giraffes and all that. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 5: they were still there. But Joe had money too from
Speaker 5: from Michael. But I'm sure are you saying?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I feel like if Michael would have just bounced and left.
Speaker 2: Then Joe would have been fucked.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because remember also just to add it on, this was
Speaker 1: when Mike wanted to go solo. So what you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: like there was he wanted to go solo and then
Speaker 1: he wanted to fire Joe. So the first conversation was
Speaker 1: going solo. He went to the two white e x
Speaker 1: were like, Yo, I want to go solo, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, but we need to handle this conversation with
Speaker 1: my dad. That's what you were talking about, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you guys to tell him. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go straight in there and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell him that I'm gonna do my own thing.
Speaker 2: That was I ain't gonna tell Joe shit.
Speaker 1: And I did like though, how the white folks were
Speaker 1: scared of Joe bro And I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was because they didn't want to lose the business or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I don't think we which again I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have seen more of that, to wield that
Speaker 1: sort of power.
Speaker 2: Over white people in that era. Yes, it's insane, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to the point where they were just like
Speaker 1: shook me like all right, that is all fellas, thank
Speaker 1: you for coming to tell me this, and showed some respect,
Speaker 1: like you like you fucking soprano he was, he.
Speaker 4: Was, no, Yeah, I thought that was dope.
Speaker 2: But god, they said whoa And then what do you do?
Speaker 4: He just looked down at the paper and they just
Speaker 4: looked around like, I guess we're gonna he.
Speaker 2: Can do it after he could do what I need.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because his brothers for his brothers, brothers so good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So that was the guy the lawyer got,
Speaker 1: helped Mike get the sony the lawyer got helped Mike
Speaker 1: get the Sony catalog. That's why they didn't say.
Speaker 6: Nothing about it, right, So you wouldn't know that. That's
Speaker 6: why I went over my head.
Speaker 3: And that lawyer, I mean, the guy that plays him.
Speaker 3: I know he's a good actor, but he was just
Speaker 3: dead pan the whole time, so he didn't really.
Speaker 4: Do it for me, didn't He wouldn't. Yeah, that's tell her.
Speaker 2: I've seen him and he's good.
Speaker 4: Fantastic for Whiplash.
Speaker 2: M hm, he's a young kidd Whiplash.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 2: What's fantastic?
Speaker 4: No? What was he?
Speaker 1: He was?
Speaker 4: Was he?
Speaker 2: It was a mister fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: About the one we see that, the older one, So
Speaker 3: that's not a good reference. Bugging, bugging he was the one.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the one with Michael.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, it is. He wouldn't.
Speaker 5: God, yeah, you've probably never seen Whiplash either. Yeah, he's
Speaker 5: a prominent that might like Whiplash.
Speaker 4: But yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so he breaks for Joes and now he's
Speaker 1: hooking up with Quincy, Rod Tinperton and stuff like that. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we saw a little bit of
Speaker 1: Quincy and Mike. But I'm with you bro show me
Speaker 1: more like they making thriller, Like they really should have
Speaker 1: focused on that for a minute, like just the post
Speaker 1: its and the shott at Prince, did you get your k.
Speaker 2: Before Prince gets it?
Speaker 4: Prince, I don't do it, but I wish we would
Speaker 4: have got more of that that too, like between him
Speaker 4: and Brent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been a thing like I understand
Speaker 1: why they cut some stuff as far as it being
Speaker 1: selations and they ain't wanted to be that type of movie,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of other creative things, like
Speaker 1: again to making a thriller that would have made this
Speaker 1: have more depth. I feel like, yeah, so off the
Speaker 1: wall dropped in seventy eight, and then in eighty one,
Speaker 1: that's when you heard that guy and of course that's
Speaker 1: when he had his first surgery, just talking about his
Speaker 1: nose and uh, Mike telling that bold ass talked.
Speaker 4: About it was.
Speaker 1: Joe knew that ship was Bush Michael Michael.
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, I like how this sequence felt okay.
Speaker 5: The reason it didn't feel so.
Speaker 4: Like, man, why do you do that?
Speaker 2: It made it feel like.
Speaker 4: Dang.
Speaker 5: I don't know if enduring is the right word, because
Speaker 5: he didn't he didn't like get on him. He was
Speaker 5: just like shot, like damn, what you do to your
Speaker 5: why'd you do that? Like like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It made it.
Speaker 2: He didn't come off like harsh in that bad. It
Speaker 2: might have been him figuring out like okay, something's wrong
Speaker 2: with this boy.
Speaker 5: It felt like that, right, I'm not tripping, okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: So I was like this this moment felt felt where
Speaker 5: he's just like knd oft let him live right, like
Speaker 5: like he let him have it.
Speaker 2: It's just like, let him do what his thing. So
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting he did.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of with my with Mike is that
Speaker 1: when he when he did it, when he was looking,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh.
Speaker 4: This motherfucker I lost his mind.
Speaker 5: I feel like Coman did such a good job at
Speaker 5: processing different thoughts and that not that I feel I
Speaker 5: didn't get.
Speaker 4: I feel bad for my son and the damage that
Speaker 4: I did to him.
Speaker 5: I felt like very judgmental and like this motherfucker crazy,
Speaker 5: I don't know, this ain't my kid.
Speaker 4: All of that that I got.
Speaker 1: From because when Bubbles came, he had already checked Oh
Speaker 1: my god, when Bubbles bro he was.
Speaker 4: Already checked out, like he crazy. Of course he got
Speaker 4: a monkey, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And you catch what Mike said about bubbles and how
Speaker 4: protected the chips.
Speaker 5: That was a good scene protected. He looked right at Joe,
Speaker 5: Joe just laughing. I mean what I mean, at what
Speaker 5: point do you say, Okay, what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 5: with my kid?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's bringing Lama's home, giraffes, peacocks, and now he brought
Speaker 3: a fucking monkey.
Speaker 2: But I think the draft everybody out the house for
Speaker 2: to come see this goddamn monkey.
Speaker 6: But he'd have to acknowledge how rough he had been
Speaker 6: on Mike and taking his job.
Speaker 2: You would because look, if you're asking your.
Speaker 1: Jo, well yeah, he wouldn't have you right, because he's
Speaker 1: not that type of person. But I think once you
Speaker 1: asked yourself that he told it to his mom he
Speaker 1: was like, well, these are my friends.
Speaker 2: He never had the opportunity to get friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, even still, I think that at
Speaker 3: some point they should have been like, look, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 5: You have a giraffe outside my room eating my trees,
Speaker 5: eating my goddamn trees.
Speaker 2: Boy, what's wrong with you? Now you've got a fucking
Speaker 2: monkey the niggas just levels to it, like trying to
Speaker 2: understand your kids.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: I do, not saying that. No, no, no, that's not
Speaker 2: that I'm about to say something, and I don't want
Speaker 2: you to take offense to it.
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus, not saying that you were Michael Jackson. But
Speaker 5: you said that your mom gave you, like she was
Speaker 5: very understand of the things that you were doing.
Speaker 8: She could have been like, is wrong, my son? I
Speaker 8: got with you, That's all I'm saying. Your parents give you.
Speaker 2: But I didn't bring a monkey home.
Speaker 5: But I was doing I was doing ship that was
Speaker 5: weird culturally, you know what I'm saying, Like I was
Speaker 5: coming home with a skateboard, listening to punk and dyeing
Speaker 5: my hair green.
Speaker 2: That's different because I was still getting good grades.
Speaker 3: I was still you know, if I was bringing home
Speaker 3: fucking mice, but would like, get that ship.
Speaker 2: The funk out of my house?
Speaker 4: Did you see, Bend? I did see, And that's exactly.
Speaker 2: What I was thinking about.
Speaker 5: I was like, if I brought a mouse into my
Speaker 5: mother's home, she would have put me out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I get what you're saying, like, yeah
Speaker 3: he is he was different. Yeah, but they didn't seem
Speaker 3: like the kind of parents that nurtured different. They seemed
Speaker 3: like the kind of parents that were, or at least Joe,
Speaker 3: where it was okay, well, as long as you're making
Speaker 3: me all this money, you can bring home a fucking
Speaker 3: dinosaur and I don't care.
Speaker 2: But they didn't. He wasn't nurturing enough to be like,
Speaker 2: why the fuck is he trying to bring home a monkey?
Speaker 1: Because Joe was clearly using Mike, But he also thought
Speaker 1: that he was responsible for their successes exactly, But he
Speaker 1: needed Mike for the success, so he was.
Speaker 4: He was in a bit of a.
Speaker 2: A quandary, that's what I call.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he he was. He was in a bad situation,
Speaker 4: but he know was crazy.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 2: He made him crazy exactly, but he ain't gonna accept.
Speaker 3: That right, which is why I feel like he didn't
Speaker 3: dive into it right. A normal parent would have definitely
Speaker 3: been like, all right, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: You just went and bottle monkey?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I know, I was thinking about y'all need to jet
Speaker 4: the damn monkey, y'all talking about these damn kids.
Speaker 2: But they did make it seem like, Yo, what the
Speaker 2: hell going on?
Speaker 4: They did see that and see what yeah, what are
Speaker 4: you doing to the monkeys?
Speaker 2: I didn't catch that, y'all. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not I'm not I'm not on that side.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I was.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I'm going back to the first point that they thought
Speaker 4: it was weird that he brought brought a chimps chips.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 2: He was my new friend, and I had the same
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he wasn't molesting bubbles.
Speaker 5: We don't.
Speaker 2: We don't know that.
Speaker 4: But can't he can't. He can't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Right sign language and ship apes.
Speaker 4: And then he went from bubbles to kids.
Speaker 2: Oh my oh, you admit that he found Okay, you
Speaker 2: finally on the side.
Speaker 6: If he did it, hey, playing twisters with bubbles, it
Speaker 6: was insane.
Speaker 4: His brothers didn't want to play with them.
Speaker 9: Man, they was grown moneymore At that part, I was like,
Speaker 9: wrong with no, one is grown his head just brought
Speaker 9: twist home with his brother.
Speaker 4: He had a kid at a children's store.
Speaker 5: He like, bro, I'm going to play some ball. I'm
Speaker 5: going to get twist. Yeah, I'm gonna play something more
Speaker 5: than twist.
Speaker 4: I did ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I did wonder Even though they kind of made it
Speaker 1: make sense. But he was in that that that children's
Speaker 1: so I was like, is this originer.
Speaker 4: Like toys? And there was a bunch of kids coming
Speaker 4: up to it. Like boy, I was like, you're trying
Speaker 4: to give us a hell to that. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't take that.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I did think I did think it. Well, actually yeah,
Speaker 2: I did think it.
Speaker 3: When he first started putting him in the in the cart,
Speaker 3: when him and maclamore were walking around, I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: why is he bringing.
Speaker 2: About the body?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the body and he's shooting that shooting He turned
Speaker 4: around the corner and shooting at me with this ship.
Speaker 4: What happened? Shout in with the damn toy?
Speaker 5: That should have been a fucking sign. Something wrong with
Speaker 5: this boy? You over your You're a grown ass fucking man.
Speaker 5: You over your hide and shooting me with ship? No man,
Speaker 5: he and his ship right, and he's smiling like he
Speaker 5: had I don't know, we need to check.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was your.
Speaker 1: Bodyguard to I think they were suddenly saying like he
Speaker 1: never got the experience a child here, you know, they were.
Speaker 4: He can do whatever.
Speaker 2: Jesus all right.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: It was a killer.
Speaker 6: It was running long, like trying to help you out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that he was a big kid man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But they also showed my you know, being kind visiting
Speaker 1: children's hospitals.
Speaker 4: We know, we remember. I don't know if I remember that.
Speaker 4: I know, but they weaponized that against him later.
Speaker 2: But you know, man, when I was a kid, I
Speaker 2: didn't know any better.
Speaker 5: When I was a kid, I was like, man, I
Speaker 5: wish I had cancer so I could give Michael Jackson
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 4: To the room.
Speaker 2: I didn't know any better.
Speaker 4: I loved Michael.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish I was sick, so Michael Jackson would
Speaker 5: come see me. I would get like cold, want to
Speaker 5: make a wish. Yeah, I wouldn't wish.
Speaker 2: I gotta wish Mike come.
Speaker 4: On my room. I don't know. You probably to come true.
Speaker 1: If the allegations are true, Mike Man, probably you probably
Speaker 1: got away on Skath.
Speaker 4: You could be happy. But anyway, moving on. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: we see in eighty two he's working on uh okay,
Speaker 4: this story.
Speaker 2: I thought eighty one is that's when he I was
Speaker 2: like ahead think oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighty one is when he high Blocker. But eighty
Speaker 1: two is when he started working on the the beat
Speaker 1: It and the Thriller joints. I had no idea. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Did you guys know about this
Speaker 1: crips blood stories?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I heard him. I always thought it was bullshit.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson the crew.
Speaker 4: Gotta know that.
Speaker 2: I've been know now, Michael Jackson the crew. He's a crow.
Speaker 4: He didn't get jumped in, but he's a crip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a crow.
Speaker 4: You didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I'm being serious. You didn't know as Michael Jackson is
Speaker 2: a crow.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you because bruh, I'm not gonna have me
Speaker 4: on this. This motherfucker told you he was dangerous. Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson and crip. So it's a real story, yess, I'm around.
Speaker 4: Probably not, but the Chris Blood story, this ship is real.
Speaker 2: I heard it was, but it sounds ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It looked ridiculousulous.
Speaker 5: Have y'all never seen this? Uh the whole video of
Speaker 5: h Yeah, okay, like I'm talking about like the short film.
Speaker 4: And there's gang members there, yes, but but it all
Speaker 4: seemed like like I don't know something, they just picked
Speaker 4: bad gang members. That's really what it was.
Speaker 3: But no, but in the long form video that he's
Speaker 3: talking about I think those gang members that were in
Speaker 3: the movie were supposed to be real gang members.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were trying to that they but I'm saying
Speaker 2: it just seemed fake.
Speaker 4: Oh you're talking about in the movie, these were real games,
Speaker 4: not in no no, no.
Speaker 7: No, no no.
Speaker 3: There's a long form version of the beat It video, yes,
Speaker 3: where it's almost like a mini documentary. It's like a
Speaker 3: short film and there's there's gang members in that, and
Speaker 3: the implication is these are real gang members that they
Speaker 3: brought off the street.
Speaker 2: But when you're watching that video, they look fake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel you.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was weird. It was because I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: It just yeah, it seemed like they made all this up.
Speaker 1: It felt like that yeah really, Yeah, he's just gonna
Speaker 1: you know, he's just watching the news like, oh, they
Speaker 1: need to come together.
Speaker 4: At first, for I said, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 4: is how we're gonna get we all the world.
Speaker 2: I thought that I did exactly what I thought that.
Speaker 4: Video.
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be all the world or
Speaker 2: heal the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was gonna be one of those two.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and my understanding that he called both of
Speaker 4: the gangs.
Speaker 1: There to meet him in his warehouse, and while they
Speaker 1: were waiting on Michael, they were in their breakdancing.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying this seems ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Is that how the story went? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Since, okay, I said, y'all a clip of Snoop said
Speaker 5: he was a crop. I don't care what Snoop said.
Speaker 5: I don't listen to Trump.
Speaker 1: Supporters, all right, Well, anyway, yeah, so this was weird.
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to ask you all if this was
Speaker 1: a real story now.
Speaker 4: And you're gonna tell me.
Speaker 3: He had all these crips and bloods in this room
Speaker 3: and the first thing this man said was your butter's
Speaker 3: mind and they were all like, oh yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: I don't had them doing Yeah, I don't ship. That
Speaker 3: was like, bro, it was a different brand to homophobia.
Speaker 3: Ain't no way that I'm believing that.
Speaker 1: No, no, Yeah, So I don't know that was that
Speaker 1: was weird. But I did like the thriller. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: MTV moment. I did like that.
Speaker 2: I've heard that's a real story too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, try harder, respect, Yeah, try harder.
Speaker 1: But again, I think this is another part where I
Speaker 1: felt like it was It was a little weak because
Speaker 1: Michael is kind of doing the talking and and John
Speaker 1: Bronco is just sitting there.
Speaker 4: You're the fucking manager, like you should be pressing down
Speaker 4: on him, you know so, But yeah, but yeah, try harder.
Speaker 1: And I like that he used his leverage at like
Speaker 1: the perfect time in that it was you the hardest
Speaker 1: artists in the world and without MTV, and you know,
Speaker 1: being on MTV is gonna make you even bigger. However,
Speaker 1: he still had the threaten to take away all the
Speaker 1: other rock acts too from the MTV for what to
Speaker 1: be effective.
Speaker 4: I thought that was really good.
Speaker 3: Was the terminology that's juicy? I don't remember that ever
Speaker 3: being a thing that he said that when he was
Speaker 3: meeting with the Bluzz.
Speaker 2: And the Crips.
Speaker 4: He did, but it's Michael Jackson. But was that a thing?
Speaker 4: I don't remember. That's why I said it is Michael.
Speaker 2: He could have been saying all kind of sh I
Speaker 2: don't remember anybody saying that.
Speaker 1: I don't either, Yeah either, But yeah, so there, let's
Speaker 1: see what else? So yeah, a thriller? Oh did you
Speaker 1: guys like the reenactment of the music video for Thriller?
Speaker 6: Okay, was I tripping or what they're not saying thriller.
Speaker 6: You weren't saying thriller.
Speaker 2: What do you think they were saying?
Speaker 6: I have no idea, but it sounded like maybe it
Speaker 6: was the sound in my movie.
Speaker 1: It sounded like they maybe didn't have some type of
Speaker 1: license in or something, so they like they had know
Speaker 1: they did just what I was.
Speaker 4: I was like, it just sounded weird. It sounded really
Speaker 4: weird to me.
Speaker 2: I really liked it.
Speaker 4: That was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because God, when you go back and watch the
Speaker 5: actual video, the people that they got in this movie
Speaker 5: looked just like the motherfuckers in the video.
Speaker 4: Had that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Killing it such an iconic moment that that fucking video.
Speaker 3: Wait, do we pass the part where we did pass
Speaker 3: the part where where Michael Jackson's mama went off on
Speaker 3: Joe right said, I think this was right around us
Speaker 3: the time. Did y'all catch that giraft outside the window?
Speaker 3: He gave me the fucking vibe of that bear. I
Speaker 3: forgot what movie it was, Train Dreams. That giraffe was like, boy, I'm.
Speaker 2: Over here, I told you said, damn.
Speaker 1: People laughed out loud of that that the same the
Speaker 1: time and of that was hilarious fucking hilarious. Yeah, was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the thriller scene was dope. I know he was there
Speaker 1: into Peter Pain, Yes, in his place nether Land. That's
Speaker 1: why I put to you never threw that before.
Speaker 4: I never knew that. I never knew he was in
Speaker 4: the Peter Pain like that.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Yeah, because.
Speaker 4: I know the book. Yes, I got a check, but
Speaker 4: you never know.
Speaker 1: Crazy question for him to ask the cartoon I used
Speaker 1: to have a cartoon series, Peter Pain.
Speaker 3: It was a series. I remember it was a cartoon
Speaker 3: series Peter. I just thought it was the way he
Speaker 3: was stroking his face like that every time he was
Speaker 3: in the book.
Speaker 4: He did it to his lips, and it's that's what
Speaker 4: he even got a those job.
Speaker 2: That's when he got a nose job.
Speaker 4: He saws these are bad parents.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point it's like, bro, what is happening
Speaker 2: with this child?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like for real, Peter, I never thought about it that way.
Speaker 2: What you say, I'm not repeating that. That's kend yo.
Speaker 4: Yo. That wow.
Speaker 2: Joe captain Hook he had him labeled as Captain in
Speaker 2: the water or whatever.
Speaker 4: So this so did he never call him dad? Why
Speaker 4: did he call him Joseph.
Speaker 3: Again, that's part of the stuff that I didn't really
Speaker 3: love because it's like, that's what I got.
Speaker 2: No contact, seem like had a problem. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He was a kid too, Joseph. Yeah, I never heard
Speaker 2: him call him that.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did. I don't think any of them did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all they all called him jokes because when
Speaker 3: they were coming getting from the room, they'd be like, Joseph.
Speaker 2: Wants to see you.
Speaker 4: That is weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no contact, so that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think as we moved to the final part
Speaker 1: of this movie, the final act, I do felt like
Speaker 1: I wish that would have been a deeper conversation about
Speaker 1: like here he is the biggest artist in the world,
Speaker 1: selling out everywhere, and well the racial on the tones
Speaker 1: of what was happening in music him just can't be
Speaker 1: on MTV and he and like you said, Mike, when.
Speaker 4: He called it was like I'm gonna pull all my acts.
Speaker 4: And he didn't have slouches.
Speaker 2: Those were huge, he said, all these motherfuckers, bro, So
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: They're gonna, you know, comply, because they don't want to
Speaker 1: lose that. They don't want to lose the white that catalog. Yep,
Speaker 1: and Michael Jackson is damn there bigger than all of them.
Speaker 1: So it's not like white people were not listening to
Speaker 1: his music at that point and he didn't get their
Speaker 1: play because they just wanted to be racist and Mike changed.
Speaker 2: All of that ship. They glossed over that too much
Speaker 2: for my taste. I agree they didn't even factor in.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know they did touch on the Villa
Speaker 2: Igo ship, which whatever, say whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, because I think there was more to that. I
Speaker 3: don't think it was just because he had been Aligo.
Speaker 4: You think he actually was trying to bleach.
Speaker 2: He turned himself into a white woman.
Speaker 5: So you you're still even with that that with them
Speaker 5: trying to clear that up, you still think that was
Speaker 5: the case if you're watching, I'm sorry, but I had
Speaker 5: the same exact discussion of my girl last night, and
Speaker 5: I literally sound like, I'm tired of you acting like Roberson.
Speaker 4: So it's just funny that.
Speaker 5: Now I'm having the same exact discussion with you because
Speaker 5: she said the same thing.
Speaker 2: She's like, wait, do you really think he bleached his skin?
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, of course he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that was a cover up, but he
Speaker 4: was just trying to even it out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: See see.
Speaker 3: But no, I do think he had been a ligo,
Speaker 3: I definitely, and I do think that he was probably
Speaker 3: insecure about it. But that doesn't explain the nose and
Speaker 3: then the hair. He turned himself into a white woman.
Speaker 3: There was definitely racial issues happening with Michael Jackson, and
Speaker 3: the movie did not touch on any of that. Maybe
Speaker 3: they couldn't because they don't have any facts with it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it definitely seemed to me that growing up he
Speaker 3: had issues with race.
Speaker 2: And racial identity, racial acceptance.
Speaker 1: At the fair, it was a bunch of white people
Speaker 1: at the Fair, which you know, I thought was weird,
Speaker 1: And they even had the whole statement in there was
Speaker 1: uh well, maybe not weird given the times, but even
Speaker 1: had the statement in there talking about I'm a proud
Speaker 1: black artist.
Speaker 4: Like, okay, that sound weird.
Speaker 2: It did sound very weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, okay, Like, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Think they could have dropped a little bit of a
Speaker 3: nugget and they didn't have to go into like okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: you were trying to change into a white woman, But
Speaker 3: they could have dropped something in there to imply that
Speaker 3: he was even thinking about these.
Speaker 2: Things, because I'm sure if you think about it, by
Speaker 2: the time he was getting that.
Speaker 3: Big, when he would perform, he would see a sea
Speaker 3: of white faces because who could afford Michael Jackson tickets.
Speaker 4: It was mostly white folks, and he was playing.
Speaker 2: Overseas a lot.
Speaker 3: So I wish they could have just maybe dropped a
Speaker 3: little bit of that into the movie to see like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe he's noticing this and this is having an effect
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 2: Because who's the white woman that he really liked that
Speaker 2: he was around all the time.
Speaker 4: Denise Richards?
Speaker 2: That's what Who was Denise Richards?
Speaker 4: She played in movies and stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was a white woman that he
Speaker 2: was around all the time.
Speaker 3: But she was like real glamorous, Oh you're talking about
Speaker 3: wasn't it Elizabeth Taylor?
Speaker 4: I think it was Elizabeth.
Speaker 5: I think it was a Liza bit of Taylor always
Speaker 5: word hello dollar that lady. So I can't but I
Speaker 5: remember I remember seeing him around this lady all the time.
Speaker 4: I thought it was his godmother.
Speaker 1: For you talking about Taylor talking about shields, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was. That's not what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: This is an older lady.
Speaker 4: Yeah she was.
Speaker 2: She was, Uh, she was older.
Speaker 4: I was definitely. I'm pretty sure a lot of white
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 2: And then he it's so much so he was like,
Speaker 2: I want to look like y'all.
Speaker 4: Well, the last part of this is.
Speaker 1: Uh, we popped back where you know, Michael, we did
Speaker 1: the whole thriller thing, so he's rocking and rolling at
Speaker 1: this point, and then uh, we get Don King and
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson.
Speaker 2: H that was Oh really I didn't love that. I
Speaker 2: didn't love Don King and this. Yeah, like it wasn't terrible, but.
Speaker 5: It was kind of It was weird, especially when they
Speaker 5: made Don King scene.
Speaker 4: I think he was the man at that point in time.
Speaker 4: He was, but they made him seem like he was
Speaker 4: all shady and like this.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 4: Like he was saying, I know you're right, You're right,
Speaker 4: all right? Then the truth he was just like what
Speaker 4: said that? For me? It was like.
Speaker 1: King, but like, well, I guess he did have a
Speaker 1: lot of power. You're right, all right, he did have
Speaker 1: a lot of power. It's just I guess it's more
Speaker 1: how the actor portrayed him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was just like joining the sense of like
Speaker 5: white people. He he he ain't take no ship from
Speaker 5: white people. He had a certain authority.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he was like, don't screw me, whether
Speaker 1: he says don't screw me on this Joe or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: So I think at that point Joe kind of had
Speaker 2: a bad rep, didn't he.
Speaker 4: I can't. I mean, he probably had a rope not
Speaker 4: having Mike in the pocket. Yeah. Yeah, this was eighty four. Yep,
Speaker 4: that was it, because he was like, its Michael gonna
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was like, yeah, yeah, the streets, the streets
Speaker 5: are talking, yep, cat your fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would know, absolutely, he would know if anybody know,
Speaker 2: he would know. They cover that era though.
Speaker 5: Because man, I fucking love that goddamn album Victory Victory,
Speaker 5: But they didn't do State of Shock.
Speaker 4: How you do this whole movie? I was waiting for it.
Speaker 5: The dude next week was dancing the whole time. I
Speaker 5: was like, bro, if they hit State of Shock, I'm
Speaker 5: getting up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got up in my theater. Definitely dancing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially at our theater.
Speaker 4: You know what I was.
Speaker 1: I was I so I didn't see anybody behind me,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see it. So I was at a
Speaker 1: sophisticated one.
Speaker 4: This time. I didn't do it about us.
Speaker 5: This was I had to go tomorrow. Dog, I'm not
Speaker 5: going nowhere tomorrow. You know they had private theaters in marro.
Speaker 4: I heard, so people could dance. Yes, they don't want
Speaker 4: to complain. Yeah, yeah, they have private theaters there.
Speaker 2: But are the what do you call the little thing
Speaker 2: we have the monthly? It didn't it wouldn't work for that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, okay, them.
Speaker 2: Private theaters were sold out.
Speaker 4: I already knew what was going down in there.
Speaker 2: Yes, it got so.
Speaker 5: It got so bad at our theater. I don't know
Speaker 5: if y'all checked it later. They canceled other movies like
Speaker 5: everything was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: Series.
Speaker 2: It said sorry, sorry, no more shoring spoiler for the
Speaker 2: rest of the day.
Speaker 5: I was like, also with Michael Jackson, it was like
Speaker 5: it in when I was leaving here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pack you're like, yeah, it was close to my
Speaker 2: new job.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah to the white people.
Speaker 2: No, he was in cabb Oh they got death.
Speaker 4: Wish, yeah, all the times, bro, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: It was I was like, because I was trying to
Speaker 4: find someone.
Speaker 5: I was trying to take Dawn to the movies yesterday
Speaker 5: and I was trying to see if there was a
Speaker 5: new animated yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: Because I'm still processing what I was gonna let them
Speaker 4: see Michael or whatever. And man, I looked. I was like,
Speaker 4: what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: My app I was like, man, don't tell me. This
Speaker 2: is because of Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: I looked, I'm talking about seven, seven fifteen, eight eight thirty.
Speaker 4: Man, I was like, damn the motherfucker. They shut that
Speaker 4: ship down for Mike.
Speaker 2: You know what that shows you?
Speaker 3: That shows that you can't listen to fucking critics because
Speaker 3: I didn't see what y'all I was talking about.
Speaker 4: I believe you. I've just heard it too.
Speaker 5: If critics were tearing this movie apart, clearly the general
Speaker 5: public does not care.
Speaker 2: They want to see Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: As soon as Don came mentioned was gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, yeah, why it was?
Speaker 5: It looked like ship's should It was awful, dude.
Speaker 4: It looked like he was dancing as all the way
Speaker 4: down to the bottom.
Speaker 2: When that little sizzle fell in there, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is what y'all hooked. He looked like ghost Writer,
Speaker 2: the old Ghostwriter movie. He was running down the stairs.
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, little fucking shitty CGI, is this
Speaker 5: oh so bad man?
Speaker 4: But I still felt it.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the burn was that bad. I agree, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know he had to like get what they
Speaker 2: say late implants or.
Speaker 5: Something plants, you know that ship. I didn't know it
Speaker 5: was almost ruined his career. Like, I didn't know it
Speaker 5: was that bad. I thought it was just an incident
Speaker 5: that happened and then he got right back out there
Speaker 5: and no, they made it seem like, no, this almost
Speaker 5: ruined his career.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, oh shit, I would own PEPSI.
Speaker 1: Well, he took all the money and gave it to
Speaker 1: the children's like they said seven figures, yeah.
Speaker 4: Seven figures.
Speaker 1: I ain't tell what the amount was, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like give it all here, yeah, which was nice.
Speaker 3: He saw They kind of implied that that's where the
Speaker 3: painkillers started, yep, which I don't know if that's true
Speaker 3: or not, but I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 4: Yep. I did too. Oh okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he had that drip and he was walking around
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah damn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they even showed it yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: everything like that was real subtle.
Speaker 3: I feel like they did a good job with that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. It was this was this was after
Speaker 3: the moonwalking scene, but you didn't you didn't.
Speaker 4: Oh was that at the Motown twenty five things? Remember?
Speaker 4: But it was off the wall because I was trying
Speaker 4: to remember if that was the first time he did it.
Speaker 3: After that, yeah, that was the first time he did it.
Speaker 3: It was all television and I can't front that scene.
Speaker 3: That kind of got me hyped.
Speaker 4: He was killing it.
Speaker 2: It kind of got me hyped. I felt like I
Speaker 2: was there and there he was killing this ship. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, ship, what was that?
Speaker 4: And then they came.
Speaker 1: They relay that really will They didn't even Quincy Jones,
Speaker 1: I was I mean Lurn's take character came backstage.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's ship crazy.
Speaker 4: And then of course Joe coming through like he didn't.
Speaker 4: You can't even get one day, dude, You're like.
Speaker 6: This funny Joe thought he was responsible for all of
Speaker 6: this ship.
Speaker 2: I see why, though I disagree. You know, I understood
Speaker 2: his take when he was saying that. He was like, man,
Speaker 2: I built this ship.
Speaker 6: Your son just happened to be Michael fucking Jackson to right, right.
Speaker 3: But you do got to wonder how far Mike jack
Speaker 3: would have gone if Peter had Yeah, that's a good point,
Speaker 3: or if Joe wouldn't have pushed him as hard as
Speaker 3: he do, you know, because Michael Jackson was him, because
Speaker 3: he was so different and unique and kind of weird,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have been any of that without Joe. Probably
Speaker 3: that's not excusing abuse, So don't be stupid Reddit, right,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a it's an interesting.
Speaker 2: Quandary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, that was that was dope, And I
Speaker 1: felt like they captured, like just the reactions in the
Speaker 1: crowd when people saw it.
Speaker 4: It felt like they made it real, like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: what did he just do? Sort of moment.
Speaker 1: I think it was one moment he was doing a
Speaker 1: dance and he stood on his toes. You're like, I
Speaker 1: thought it was the same one.
Speaker 5: They were like, yeah, oh yeah, right, You're like, you know,
Speaker 5: I was supposed to stay on my toes a little
Speaker 5: bit longer, which.
Speaker 4: Is like what But to us we were like, it's
Speaker 4: still sucking dope.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know that, like right, but when you
Speaker 1: go back and look at the original clip, it does
Speaker 1: seem like he's he wanted to stay longer, but he
Speaker 1: didn't on on that on that part, So I thought
Speaker 1: that was interesting that they put that in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the last thing we got in this movie
Speaker 1: was basically he was like, yeah, I'm still gonna do
Speaker 1: the tour because you know, because again we yeah, Joe Jackson.
Speaker 5: Being a day till about when when is he gonna
Speaker 5: be able to perform? Yeah that was crazy and didn't care, no,
Speaker 5: not at all, but Joe.
Speaker 2: That sounded like Joe.
Speaker 1: Yep, he had a lot on the line. I'm not
Speaker 1: excusing it, but you know, don King, we don't know what.
Speaker 1: We don't know what King was gonna do to him,
Speaker 1: and he come.
Speaker 2: Through sick sick the other mic on you don't want that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but uh yeah, he did the Victory tour,
Speaker 1: which was killed and that was a moment like Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson reunited with his brothers man for a whole tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I felt his brothers though that wasn't really
Speaker 2: a reunite. That was where you're backing band.
Speaker 4: I never felt like it was.
Speaker 3: No, but that album is hard spite it is the album.
Speaker 3: Did they They didn't say that, but they give the
Speaker 3: impression that they felt like that. And and I don't
Speaker 3: see how they wouldn't because Michael Jackson was in the
Speaker 3: front singing his own songs, but in the front and
Speaker 3: then in the back. But they're playing his music that,
Speaker 3: you know, And they didn't even I mean, they touched
Speaker 3: on Jermaine a little bit.
Speaker 4: They said he stayed at Moti, he.
Speaker 2: Stayed in Motown.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess they didn't really need to delve
Speaker 5: into that too much. But I don't know, man, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I think overall, I mean, the fact that
Speaker 5: Janet wasn't in it, LaToya was kind of talked.
Speaker 2: About, yeah, maybe done, and she did. He did a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was weird that it was only one sister.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because reb wasn't in it either.
Speaker 4: I don't yeah, I think they only showed one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess they all were just like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't put us in this ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but no, it was it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was cool because I yeah, it's just like you
Speaker 1: definitely go back, you know, back in time, because that
Speaker 1: that was a big ass moment, like because a lot
Speaker 1: of the adults at the time, they grew up with
Speaker 1: the Jazz five, they saw them break off.
Speaker 4: I don't know. If Janet was doing her.
Speaker 2: Thing then no, she was probably on good times at
Speaker 2: that point, right, probably so.
Speaker 4: Uh, Tremaine had an album out, so I think he
Speaker 4: had a hit.
Speaker 3: I think he had that one hit. I can't remember
Speaker 3: what it was called it was. I had the album. Uh,
Speaker 3: it was him and he had it was him and
Speaker 3: that red.
Speaker 4: Was it or you're talking about was it not? Don't
Speaker 4: take it personal. Oh, I know what you're talking about, man.
Speaker 5: Ship.
Speaker 4: Somebody to look it up.
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up now.
Speaker 4: Serious. Yeah, that was the jam, wasn't it. I don't
Speaker 4: think that was the song? That is that? Is that
Speaker 4: the name of the album?
Speaker 2: No, that's the same of the song.
Speaker 4: But there was whatever he had like a video.
Speaker 5: I don know what you're talking It was him in
Speaker 5: like a red car. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was that song, but.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't remember. He had a couple of jams.
Speaker 4: But you know Jermaine's number one hit, Let's get serious.
Speaker 4: I guess that is it was.
Speaker 2: Let's get serious.
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder wrote it and somebody else. I don't hear
Speaker 1: it in my head though, I don't hear how it goes.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm struggling with it.
Speaker 3: You remember that this is the album talking about Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: let me take your fancy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: It was him in this bright ass red car with
Speaker 3: this woman tickling his chin. You don't know nothing about that, Spike,
Speaker 3: I don't, but yeah, man, I was all right, you
Speaker 3: know it was. It was very smart to end where
Speaker 3: they ended it, because then they can just make the
Speaker 3: excuse of, well, the allegations didn't happen till after that,
Speaker 3: so we don't, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, which is which is kind of when I
Speaker 1: was on I was just kind of getting in some
Speaker 1: info wiki just background that that's kind of what they
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to and gives them.
Speaker 4: Room to make a too.
Speaker 1: So if it does well, which it fucking did, this
Speaker 1: shit Killed Part two is not going to do anywhere
Speaker 1: near as well.
Speaker 4: I feel like the only reason this did so well is.
Speaker 3: Because they didn't touch on any of the allegations or
Speaker 3: the controversies.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think I agree with your statement about I
Speaker 1: don't think part two would do well because these are
Speaker 1: the albums after this.
Speaker 2: You have dangerous, dangerous, good album, but it wasn't remember the.
Speaker 4: Time Invincible, So it's a different part of Michael's career
Speaker 4: that people don't want to remember.
Speaker 3: No, I remember the time was on Dangerous you think
Speaker 3: of the history was Oh it had black and white
Speaker 3: on it, right, Yeah, black and White was on Dangerous.
Speaker 4: So there's still more to talk about it.
Speaker 2: But that's where the controversy still. That's the controversy. So
Speaker 2: they would have to do this very I don't know
Speaker 2: how they can.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: It's not without not in this way, like this is
Speaker 1: a very much like celebration of Mike.
Speaker 5: I think you can still put it in his like
Speaker 5: in a in a in a better light from his perspective.
Speaker 3: But see, then you open yourself up for your own
Speaker 3: movie being controversial. Like right now, the movie isn't controversial.
Speaker 3: It's just people think it's bad.
Speaker 2: But whatever, what I think is bad and they feel
Speaker 2: like they left out stuff, But see I.
Speaker 3: Don't think they left They did leave stuff out, but
Speaker 3: it wasn't like insensitive leaving things out. Like if they
Speaker 3: did a part two and they just continued on with
Speaker 3: his career and never touched on any of the kids stuff,
Speaker 3: then that.
Speaker 2: Would be weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be disingenious that would be disingenuous, and
Speaker 1: I think they can't do that. That's why I think
Speaker 1: they should stop. I think not because of the money,
Speaker 1: but this should have been it. This should be the
Speaker 1: writer could do it. I don't because I mean, you're
Speaker 1: made ninety four to one hundred mil. It's probably gonna
Speaker 1: do two hundred mile globally. It already has done two
Speaker 1: hundred are already. Yeah, So it's it's through the roof,
Speaker 1: which makes sense. It does my Michael Jackson and we
Speaker 1: people get a chance to relive it here all of
Speaker 1: the hits that they grew up listeners.
Speaker 2: And they don't want to feel bad about liking Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm leaving it right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were smart to do this as far as
Speaker 3: like monetarily, they were smart.
Speaker 2: It's already two seventeen, it's going to be And what I.
Speaker 4: Was saying earlier that they were going to bring in
Speaker 4: they had to do a rewrite because of this kid
Speaker 4: Chandler that apparently there's a h NDA or something like
Speaker 4: that where they can't include his name in.
Speaker 2: The store in the Morning Chandler.
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the first allegations. Hold on,
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it. My computers
Speaker 1: about to run out of power. Jordan Chandler. So yeah, Uh,
Speaker 1: there was a clause in the settlement with one of
Speaker 1: Jackson's accuses Jordan Chandler, forbidding any mention of Chandler in
Speaker 1: the film. Wow, So they had to rewrite it. Variety
Speaker 1: reported that they were going to mention it in the
Speaker 1: third act.
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's the part you're saying they took out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the part. Yeah, I was talking about. Is
Speaker 4: the mice one that took out?
Speaker 1: And uh, they have to do some rewrites because Logan
Speaker 1: who is this Logan guy? Uh, one of the scripts
Speaker 1: got damaged in the in the Fire Palisades fry.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, that's charging because you gotta do
Speaker 2: super chets.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: I do have a supercharge. I do need a charger,
Speaker 1: but I do have a I have to get my
Speaker 1: Uh it's bombing. It's probably in that bottom section. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a power bank in there. All right, put
Speaker 1: it right, we can put it right here. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I going to drop the first super chat on here. Well,
Speaker 1: let me close out this. Yeah, answer a real quick question.
Speaker 2: From Marty McFly.
Speaker 3: He's saying, I don't know why folks think the second
Speaker 3: movie is going to get into it. I don't think
Speaker 3: there's any way for them to make a second movie
Speaker 3: without them getting into it. Yeah, those accusations was were
Speaker 3: a huge part of his career from Dangerous through History,
Speaker 3: So it would be very odd unless I'm misunderstanding your question,
Speaker 3: Martin McFly, But I don't see how they would be
Speaker 3: able to do that.
Speaker 5: I think I think they're I think what he's probably
Speaker 5: saying is that there's still enough entertainment pieces. I get
Speaker 5: what you're saying too that it would and you in Spike,
Speaker 5: it would just be disingenious, is what you're saying, the
Speaker 5: words you use to just act like that like those albums.
Speaker 5: But they basically did that with his first part too though.
Speaker 5: But there weren't any accusers this point. The accuser, from
Speaker 5: what I remember, came after Bad. Yeah, that's that's That's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They ended. It just happened. Well, mccula cochin said he
Speaker 4: never did anything.
Speaker 1: Everything that I read, but everything I read said that
Speaker 1: everything started after Bad, that the accusation started after Bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Okay, yep, so, but.
Speaker 3: Well, we were just informed that this is not a
Speaker 3: life story. So I appreciate you all letting us know
Speaker 3: that that he didn't die after bad happened.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't know that, damn. Well, now you've learned
Speaker 2: something new.
Speaker 4: I thank you. I'm just playing, don't be don't be
Speaker 4: so sensitive, play safe.
Speaker 2: You're gonna talk about closes and stuff, everybody passing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah. They did a good job of capturing that because
Speaker 4: we we all saw that ship. Fat yeah.
Speaker 5: I think Eddie Murphy did the best rendition of that. Michael, yeah, man,
Speaker 5: we're passing down and stuff, and then him saying yeah,
Speaker 5: we saw that, yeah, and then him saying say yeah,
Speaker 5: well he again said he's gonna walk up to Joe
Speaker 5: and tell him to his face.
Speaker 4: But he just made the announcement on stage. I remember
Speaker 4: that ship too.
Speaker 10: Remember that wait you remember which part when he made
Speaker 10: that announcement on stage, which was, oh that he was
Speaker 10: going the last remember that whatever.
Speaker 5: From what I've read, that was like a huge thing
Speaker 5: because it wasn't playing, no, it wasn't was like, let's
Speaker 5: talk this ounds right, And the brothers were like.
Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, you see their face? Yeah you serious?
Speaker 2: They were just got by Jerry Crowd You're gonna leave
Speaker 2: me now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Joe was back to selling this world parish
Speaker 5: and it will.
Speaker 3: That was kind of foul though for him to do
Speaker 3: that a little bit because his brothers wasn't I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they weren't ship, but they weren't ship
Speaker 3: like that. It was kind of dirty for him to
Speaker 3: just be like, all, I'm gonna announce this on stage
Speaker 3: and even my brothers don't know, and.
Speaker 4: They were probably happy to be back on stage get
Speaker 4: some money in their pocket. Bro right.
Speaker 2: It had been a minute and the only one really
Speaker 2: doing it it was Jermaine. That was kind of dirty.
Speaker 4: Mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely dirty.
Speaker 6: I didn't know he sold out Dodger Stadium eight nights
Speaker 6: in a row.
Speaker 1: I was eight, that's what he said, twenty eight like Bromichael, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're yeah, it sounds crazy, but it's still
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Like I think we do forget. So the
Speaker 1: Jackson five at that time, so when they went to CBS,
Speaker 1: they had Triumph Destiny, so they still had hits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still had some hits without Mike. And then in
Speaker 1: eighty nine they came back, but to find hit I will,
Speaker 1: but uh well, you're kind of right, but it looks
Speaker 1: like each song had something on it that did something.
Speaker 1: And then they did the twenty three hundred Jackson Street joint.
Speaker 4: No I remember that. Oh man, that was so good.
Speaker 2: I remember that. Really, that's you remember that twenty three
Speaker 2: hundred Jackson Street. This was after the Victory album, don't
Speaker 2: it was. I didn't bother with it because Mike jack laught.
Speaker 4: That song is so good. I remember that. Look it up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: They on Triumph, they had Heartbreak Hotel, which was displaced Hotel,
Speaker 1: and they had can You Feel It?
Speaker 3: That was that was a big That was Triumph was first.
Speaker 3: I thought it was Triumph in Victory, am I am?
Speaker 3: I getting it backwards?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, you're right, it was Triumph then Victory. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I was saying was like leading up to the
Speaker 4: Victory tour, they had songs.
Speaker 1: They had popular I won't say popular, I won't say hits,
Speaker 1: but they had popular song when Mike wasn't around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that. Yeah that that album went
Speaker 4: to number ten on the Billboard LP. Uh so, yeah.
Speaker 4: They released like five singles on their Destiny that was
Speaker 4: before that.
Speaker 1: What did they have on that one. Blame it on
Speaker 1: the boogie, shake your body down to the ground. I
Speaker 1: remember blaming on the boogie.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: So they had a joint off that joint going places
Speaker 1: before that had okay, well, yeah you missed, you missed the.
Speaker 2: Time then, like, I'm sure if you played it I
Speaker 2: would remember. I remember it right now.
Speaker 3: The only Jackson album including Jackson five joints, the only
Speaker 3: Jackson I might still listen to fucking Victory.
Speaker 4: Well, hold on, Mike may have still been part of
Speaker 4: those joints. Hold on.
Speaker 1: He was definitely part of the seventy sixth and seven,
Speaker 1: so he loved did he leave in Destiny?
Speaker 2: Why are you always in my business?
Speaker 4: Rob Costa?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 4: Damn?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's no Michael Jackson. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: hold on, let me get make sure I got my
Speaker 1: timeline right. So which album they do without him? So
Speaker 1: he was still win them with Destiny? Let me get
Speaker 1: in a super one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one after Victory.
Speaker 4: It must have been Triumph.
Speaker 2: Triumph was before Victory.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so yeah, disregard everything I said. I'll look
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 2: Just go ahead and go on to super Chats.
Speaker 4: Never mind. Yeah, I take everything out back. Victory was
Speaker 4: the one he wasn't on, wasn't on Victory.
Speaker 2: He was on Victory. He was on the cover of Victory.
Speaker 2: Remember he was the only one that was all glittered
Speaker 2: out with the fucking glove.
Speaker 4: And they ain't have ship with the mic.
Speaker 2: I thought they had an album after Victory, is what
Speaker 2: I was saying.
Speaker 4: They did. It was twenty three hundred Jash and I
Speaker 4: thought that's the one he wasn't on. He wasn't on
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they did have an album without him.
Speaker 4: Money that one that sounds stupid as fun.
Speaker 2: They took him, but we got there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, they damn they need a mic bro.
Speaker 2: They didn't need poor Mike the second Mike left them, damn.
Speaker 4: So he was still doing apples.
Speaker 1: Never mind, I'm gonna read the super chats because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I do plan on.
Speaker 4: I'm planning and actually.
Speaker 1: Going through Michael Jackson's whole career musically, through his whole discographer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a lot, but it's gonna be fun. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 4: so that is the movie.
Speaker 1: I get the credits criticism of it in terms of
Speaker 1: lack of character dev there were things they missed. I
Speaker 1: felt they could have went deeper with some of the stories,
Speaker 1: but again, and I think for his fan base, they
Speaker 1: don't want to see all that. And I think what
Speaker 1: they covered not a lot of a lot of that
Speaker 1: was present, so they couldn't really get into that. So
Speaker 1: with the second one, if they have released one, we'll see,
Speaker 1: that's when I think they could be fair.
Speaker 4: But but it was fine, and that's it. We're done,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 2: It wasn't too bad too, So we appreciate.
Speaker 4: You guys tuning them, man and watching us cover the
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson film.
Speaker 2: And people showed up too.
Speaker 4: It's Michael.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's one thing I say.
Speaker 5: I didn't for whatever reason, they didn't registered that this
Speaker 5: many people would go out and watch this movie like that.
Speaker 4: I didn not. I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I never hit me that they would. I don't know, man,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I didn't never take it that seriously.
Speaker 4: I just didn't.
Speaker 2: It's Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, it makes sense now, But before I
Speaker 5: just never even Yeah, it's never even registered.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we'll leave it there, man.
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