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Speaker 1: It is a pretty darn good time to be the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. There's no out about that.

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Speaker 3: Football is just spectacular and basketball is about to begin,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, SIGNETI said today Don that he is day to day.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher our guest voice of the Hoosiers in both

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Speaker 3: So it's it's really fun to watch. It's a different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've talked to Don a couple of different

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Speaker 1: Down by the way, they use some of your audio

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Speaker 3: And I've had three opportunities I guess this year the

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Speaker 1: Right They were very complimentary of your call, and rightly so.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher, the voice of the Hoosiers, appreciate it as

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks for having me, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher, the voice of the Hoosiers Colts yesterday. Are

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Speaker 1: up in Germany. That means, I think on Friday, nothing

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Speaker 4: I think somebody from the Colts is joining us tomorrow

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Speaker 1: How much German do you know? None? I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: I'll begin with this yesterday in terms of just the

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Speaker 1: Chap, did you think, over the course the game, do

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Speaker 5: I never liked for Tatter to get fourteen carries. He

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Speaker 1: That's the amazing thing if you were an optimist, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even allowed to go anywhere near the Arctic

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Speaker 1: of wow, they shot themselves in the foot and combination

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Speaker 1: of well, they must be pretty darn good, right.

437
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to take that. But if you

438
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: watch that game, you knew that it wasn't in one

439
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 5: position game. No, I get it, you know so so

440
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 5: and again, any game where you have two on side kicks,

441
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 5: it's not a good game. And you know they had

442
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 5: a successful fake punt. They were five or five on

443
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 5: fourth down, so you know they gave themselves a chance. Yes,

444
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 5: but if I'm not beer sake, it was twenty seven

445
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 5: to seven going into the fourth quarter or something thereabouts.

446
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 5: And but yeah, at least say they made a game

447
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 5: of it. But they didn't make the Steelers do anything

448
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 5: on offense. You know what, they have two hundred and

449
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 5: fifty yards whatever on offense. Didn't make them do anything.

450
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 5: And if you don't make them do anything, all they're

451
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 5: going to do is you know those dink and dunks

452
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 5: and underneath and you know, Jalen Jones comes back and

453
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 5: helps hold Matkift to two catches for whatever it was,

454
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 5: seven or eight yards. But you don't win. You can't

455
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 5: win with turnovers like that. And I think it's a

456
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 5: one off. I went and looked that since two thousand

457
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 5: teams that had six or more turnovers, they were five

458
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 5: ninety two and one. You know, so you don't win.

459
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 5: But again, I think the fact that they made a

460
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 5: respect will give you some I get optimism. I don't know,

461
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 5: but we won't know anything about this team until they

462
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: go to Berlin and hopefully take care of it. Of

463
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: an Atlanta team that you just can't figure out what

464
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 5: they're doing. So and then because then it's then you

465
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: go to the second half of the season, and I'm

466
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 5: telling you, if they find a way to beat Atlanta,

467
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 5: you know, let's see a show a hands you up

468
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 5: to be eight and two at the buye, you know,

469
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 5: and there are no hands in the air.

470
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Speaker 1: So the chapter is the Atlanta game. I mentioned this earlier.

471
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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, our guest CBS four and WXI N Fox

472
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Speaker 1: fifty nine. He's on the Java House Peeling Port guest

473
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Speaker 1: line the Atlanta game now, And I get it. The

474
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: NFL is one week at a time, right, However, you know,

475
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: you have the buy following that, and then you have

476
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,239
Speaker 1: Kansas City, which looms. I mean, everybody and players can

477
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Speaker 1: tell you, they don't look at everybody's looking at that

478
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: Kansas A name, So you don't what you don't want.

479
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: What you don't want is going in the by coming

480
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: off of two losses in a row. So does this

481
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: in any way almost kind of increase the magnitude of

482
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Speaker 1: this Atlanta game of making it must win is a

483
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: an extreme word, but real important to win as opposed to, Hey,

484
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: we've done really good work and let's hope we get

485
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: this one and go in and then that's it. You

486
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very easy to start seven and one and

488
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 5: then let it get away from you. Good teams don't

489
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 5: do that, you know, good teams you know, as a

490
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: couple of players. And it's funny how in the locker

491
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: room players were saying, well, you know, you learn from

492
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 5: this and learn from that. Well, okay, only, like Quentin said,

493
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 5: only if you win, Only if you learn from it

494
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: and come back and win. So yeah, I it must

495
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 5: win though, be a good idea to win, yes, because again,

496
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 5: can you come out of the buy and you're in

497
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 5: Kansas City, then you've got Houston and Jacksonville, and you

498
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 5: got Houston again and Jacksonville again in San Francisco. So

499
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 5: you've got to get back to where you were playing

500
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 5: because the way they were playing, they would need to

501
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 5: play like that and most of the time to win

502
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 5: a good portion in the second half of the season

503
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Speaker 5: because the schedule is tougher and Houston's defense will be

504
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 5: the best safe seat. Kansas City. You just don't know. Uh,

505
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: you know, everybody had them as a lot to all

506
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: of a sudden they got their act together, and then

507
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl favorites again of Mahomes, is this, that

508
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: and the other, and then they going Buffalo beats them.

509
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 5: I realized the one percision name, but they but they

510
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 5: beat on pretty good. Mahomes wasn't himself, so it is

511
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 5: week to week that That's why what's really important is

512
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 5: he is not letting the Pittsburgh thing linger get the

513
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 5: offensive line. Please. Everybody had a bad game. Quentin kept

514
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 5: getting pushed back in the in the backfield, Matt Gonzalez

515
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 5: got beat a couple of times. Uh so how do

516
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 5: you respond? And you just knew we've we've we've known

517
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: that that people were waiting to see the Daniel Jones

518
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 5: of the Giants years reappear. There's no question about that.

519
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 5: Even after all he had done in eight games. Well

520
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 5: then he had a giant s light game with the turnovers,

521
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: five and overs. He had holy smokes. So it's in

522
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 5: coming upon him and the team to put that behind him.

523
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 5: And every team, every team has a has a clunker.

524
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: They do.

525
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 5: Carolina won at Green Bay yesterday. I mean, come on, so.

526
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: It was a crazy day all around yesterday, right, I

527
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: mean it just I mean, that's what the NFL chap.

528
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: That's what the NFL is designed for, right the In baseball,

529
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: everybody loves spring training because hope spring's eternal and everybody's

530
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: team has a shot, right And in the NFL, everybody's

531
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Speaker 1: team has a shot every single week. I mean, that's

532
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Speaker 1: why it is what it is.

533
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Speaker 5: There's a there's a handful of teams that suck, but

534
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 5: no your points well taken. And we talked like last week,

535
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: of all the years where the Colts will be playing

536
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 5: really well and all, this this is a year that

537
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: maybe something has happened because nobody's really stepping up. You know,

538
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: Minnesota with their Richie quarterback goes into Detroit and wins.

539
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 5: So the teams that you thought were going to be

540
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 5: head and shoulders above. I still think Buffalo is pretty good.

541
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: I still think Kansas City's pretty good. I've never really

542
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: put the I always said the Colts like third behind

543
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: those guys. This was before yesterday. But you're in the mix,

544
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 5: and you're still as bad as that day was. You

545
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: still got the best record in the league, and if

546
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: I look at it right, you've got the number one seed.

547
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 5: Well that's fine at the midway point, but now you've

548
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 5: got to, you know, gather yourself. Sticking's done a good

549
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: job of keeping them pretty well grounded. Maybe they needed

550
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 5: and I this is a reach, Maybe they needed to

551
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: be knocked down a little bit, just so they don't

552
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: start believing that they were all of that, you.

553
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

554
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 5: They were just going to go out there and score

555
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: thirty a game and finish fourteen to three and all that.

556
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: So maybe this is something a reality checked that if

557
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: you don't do what you're supposed to do, you know,

558
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: protect their course.

559
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's the biggest cliche in sport. But you

560
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be defined by a loss. You should be defined

561
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: by how you react to it, right.

562
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 5: Right, and how they're going to react. I don't know,

563
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 5: we'll see, did you happen.

564
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: To watch last night the game between Seattle and Washington.

565
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: Did you see any of that?

566
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

567
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: I saw most of it because I'm just a I

568
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: have no life, but yes.

569
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Speaker 1: Well can you agree? And actually I think you do

570
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: have a life, And I'll tell you why, because here's

571
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: why you watch a lot of that. Can you agree

572
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: or can we all agree? Or you can be wrong

573
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: that Seattle and the uniforms they wore last night are

574
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the greatest uniforms in the history of the NFL.

575
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty cool, pretty cool. And this is the same

576
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 5: name that the Packers had those throwbacks. I just this,

577
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 5: It's all marketing. I understand that, but some of these

578
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: are just not very good. I think.

579
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Speaker 1: I think the important thing that the NFL forgets about

580
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Chap is that for the throwback uniforms, they need to

581
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: be uniforms that are throw going back to an era

582
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Speaker 1: that there's at least one person on the planet that

583
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: remembers when they wore those.

584
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Speaker 2: I know, you know what I mean.

585
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: I know you're nineteen twelve, you know yellow jacket, the

586
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Dayton yellowjackets. Yeah, okay, I mean, are there any season

587
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: taking holders left over?

588
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

589
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: But that's what pro teams do to all of them.

590
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: They have five or six seven different uniforms if you're

591
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: baseball in the NBA, and and I understand that, but

592
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: if you're a parent at home, when your kid loves

593
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 5: your team, you're going to fork out money for five jerseys.

594
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: I mean, you know that. That's I understand why they

595
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: do it. But yeah, and whenever the Colts are their throwbacks,

596
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 5: you're thinking, I thought they were wearing throwbacks. And unless

597
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: you see like the double horseshoe in the back of

598
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: the helmet or extra stripes.

599
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Speaker 1: On the the Colts throwback chap, here's the Colts throwback

600
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Speaker 1: that I don't know that I've seen them wear. Okay,

601
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: but if every team in the NFL, and this would

602
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Speaker 1: be a fun exercise, if every team in the NFL

603
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: was forced to wear their nineteen eighty four eighty five uniforms,

604
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Speaker 1: which was the first year that the Colts were in Indianapolis,

605
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: the Colts throwbacks would be the gray pants with the

606
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: horseshoe on the left hip and the number in the

607
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: middle of it. Right, isn't that right?

608
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah?

609
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never like And but if everybody was wearing

610
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: their nineteen eighty four uniforms that I think the winner

611
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: still is Seattle, or maybe some would say Denver, right Tin.

612
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 5: I love San Diegos are cool. The powder with a

613
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: lightning bolt.

614
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for sure, for sure those are good. But

615
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: that's more like seventies chargers, right right?

616
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 5: Did you like themngals with the with the tiger stripes?

617
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: They were like black? I kind of like that.

618
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty hard to argue that. Yeah, it's pretty hard.

619
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Speaker 5: You can argue this. My pumpkins helmet but still black.

620
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: Those black with the tiger stripes are really cool.

621
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Now, how about this Buffalo? Do you know why Buffalo?

622
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Buffalo had like like dark red

623
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: and blue helmets as opposed to the white helmets. Yes,

624
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: do you know why they switched? No true story. Joe Ferguson,

625
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: their quarterback, was colorblind, and so it made it easier

626
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: for him to differentiate offense to defense. And I can't

627
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: remember if that was. I'm not colorblind, so I don't

628
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: know how that was this would work. I don't know

629
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: if that was when they went to the white helmets

630
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: or and they went to the darker colored helmets because

631
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: it was easy for his eye to distinguish I.

632
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: Think Joe Ferguson played a year hair he did, didn't

633
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 5: he did one?

634
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of his career, right, kind of

635
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: like Mark Rippon, Right.

636
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: This is where quarterbacks go to die.

637
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Well, it helps when you have a young prodigy that

638
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: everybody's like, yeah, I'll hold the clipboard for Peyton Manning

639
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: for a year, right, Chack. Trade deadline tomorrow. As a

640
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I believe what like twenty seven hours

641
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: from now something like that. Do you anticipate Do you

642
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: think we're going to see Chris Ballard making a move?

643
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 6: Yes?

644
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: Yes, I just think because if we may have talked

645
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: about this last week, where they are seven and two,

646
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 5: everything in front of him, and they have deficiencies and

647
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: they have the wherewith all the resources to go and

648
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: get somebody, I still think they need a corner. I'll

649
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: tell you what's Cincinnati playing themselves out of it? Maybe

650
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: maybe trade Hendrickson's back on the market.

651
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 6: Uh.

652
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Speaker 5: Diana Russini of The Athletic mentioned that they still want

653
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Speaker 5: like a first round draft pick. I just I don't

654
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Speaker 5: know that Chris does that. I just don't because with Hendrickson,

655
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Speaker 5: let's say I say it's Hendrickson you're getting a quality

656
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 5: guy who's missed the last couple of games with a

657
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: hip injury. He's thirty one, and if you trade for him,

658
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 5: let's say you trade one for him. He's a pregent

659
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: this year, so you've got to trade for him with

660
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: the idea you didn't give him edge rush money in

661
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: a long term. So I I don't know if that's

662
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 5: gonna happen. I think a corner, I think I think

663
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 5: they have an interest in Cincinnati's at Cam Taylor Britt.

664
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Speaker 5: I think they have an interest in him. Uh. And

665
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Speaker 5: the Bengals interest in being sellers should be, you know,

666
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: more so now that they've you know, squandered another big

667
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 5: game with with a crappy defense and whatever whatever teams

668
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: are asking for it. And today, if it's a one,

669
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Speaker 5: if it's a two, if it's three, I really think

670
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 5: the price goes down as the deadline appears. Well, we

671
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 5: can't get a one, and we really want to trade

672
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 5: this guy. Where we take it two, where we take

673
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: it three. So you know, I saw Jalen Phillips was

674
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Speaker 5: traded today for a three.

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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

676
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Speaker 5: Some people think that's a bit high. But if you're

677
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: gonna get it, if you're gonna get a a player.

678
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: You've got to give up something, and you know, are

679
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 5: you Are you getting a young player that you might

680
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: resigne as part of your future?

681
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Speaker 2: Is it?

682
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Speaker 5: Is it a one not a one year, but a

683
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 5: half year rental. I think they make a move. I

684
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: think it's a corner. Uh maybe hell shot us with

685
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 5: a pass rush. I thought the pass rush was decent yesterday.

686
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: Uh a lot too.

687
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Speaker 1: I was going to say lost in all of the

688
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: the dramatics of the game itself, Chap, did we kind

689
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: of sleep on the fact that maybe layout to lotso

690
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: is starting to show a little form.

691
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's getting away from the almost sacks to sacks?

692
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 5: What do you have two and a half?

693
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Correct?

694
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: Yet he's got five. So that may that made lessen

695
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: their their desire to go out and pay a big

696
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: compensation for a guy when the crying need for a

697
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 5: corner is obvious. Again, I would always take the pass

698
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 5: rusher because they can t TG what wreck a game,

699
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: But your need right now is at corner, just because

700
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: of the personnel and the injuries. I think they make

701
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: a move today. I don't know tomorrow. Yes, I just

702
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: think they they need to. They the situation is is

703
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: too ripe not to have a move made, you.

704
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Know, Eddie. I don't know if you mentioned this or

705
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: if you know this or not, but when when things

706
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: are ripe, oftentimes what you need to do, Like if

707
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: you're smelling a little ripe, somebody says to you, which

708
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: they might Eddie from time time ripe.

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00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 6: You know what that means.

710
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Time to go zess fully clean, Eddie is what that means?

711
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: Right?

712
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 5: You always go down rabbit hole.

713
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: The Colts always need to clean things up, Chap. But

714
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: you know that's that's what I can say, clean things up.

715
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: There you go, there, you go, there, you.

716
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Go, Okay, Chap. Lastly, from a health standpoint, I did

717
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: not get a chance necessarily to look over it yet today.

718
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: You know, obviously in the NFL, you know, coming out

719
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: of the game, your your big goal is to make

720
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: sure there were no sizeable you know, losses or injuries.

721
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: It looked like they came out of it fairly unscathed, correct, Yeah.

722
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 5: Steven Hiller posted, you know during the game that Buckner

723
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 5: went in a blue tant but he returned of the game.

724
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 5: Jalen Jones came out briefly went back in the game.

725
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: He played a Ton. He played like eighty percent of

726
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: the snaps after not playing for like seven games, which

727
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 5: is a great sign. And again he really had a

728
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 5: good hand in shutting down Metcast. So I think they're

729
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 5: in good shape. They're gonna they don't get Mooney Ward

730
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 5: back until after the bye. Taekwon Lewis might come back

731
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: for the Falcons, So they're really and they needed to

732
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: get Anthony goldback, which I don't know how far off

733
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: he is. He was the pumpmer Turner and Josh Downs

734
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: had had that bad muff that turned out to be

735
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 5: nothing because the defense stepped up. But you can't be

736
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: turning the ball over on special teams at all.

737
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 4: Chap, is there another position that we're not talking about

738
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: that Chris Baller could be examining as a Hey, I'm

739
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: going to go out trade for somebody to bolster up

740
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: this room, or I want some insurance out of a

741
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: certain position, because to me, I think linebacker still stands

742
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: out because we don't know Carls is coming back.

743
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 5: I'll just I'm I you can't bank on that. I

744
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: was gonna say linebacker.

745
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 7: Uh.

746
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 5: And again with the Bengals, we always, you know, I

747
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 5: always go back to where your coordinators from and Cincinnati,

748
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: and they've got Logan Wilson, who's a quality, quality starter,

749
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: has been benched in favor of a rookie. And I

750
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: think he's been inactive the last game or two. Uh

751
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 5: so that's that's a possibility. He's a little more costly

752
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 5: as far as salary, but I would I wouldn't turn

753
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: my back on a on a linebacker who can who

754
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 5: can offer some cover skills. They've got tackle guys. Uh,

755
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 5: they need to cover linebacker that that's been missing all year.

756
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Chap I'm gonna do a Twitter ex post survey here.

757
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you give the first vote, Okay, in

758
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: fl's worst team, New York Jets, Tennessee Titans, New Orleans

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Speaker 1: Saints or other which in parentheses I put in Miami

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Speaker 1: with a question.

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00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Mark, I go Tennessee.

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00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, posting a right, I'm gonna see if I could vote.

763
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: Can I do my own vote here?

764
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Eddie?

765
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Can you can you do a vote as Tennessee please.

766
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: From the Quarrying Company Twitter?

767
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Sure I can do that. Lock in chap as. Vote

768
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: number one is Tennessee is the worst team. I think

769
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Speaker 1: it might be the Jets.

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00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: Chap.

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough of New Orleans.

772
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: I tell you.

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00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 5: Another crappy team are the Giants. I mean they won three,

774
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 5: but holy.

775
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Mokes, Raiders are pretty bad too.

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00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: Right, there's there.

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00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 5: We were talking about this of the year where there's

778
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 5: some really good teams, no great teams, there's some really

779
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 5: bad teams.

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00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: Giants are two and seven, two and seven three Giants?

781
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: Okay, us excited about Jackson Dart and we'll see. But

782
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 5: how Brian dabels So has a job?

783
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Okay, do not know?

784
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 5: Well.

785
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, Atlanta, for example, going into this game in Germany

786
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: is three and five with after the exchange rate is

787
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: still three and five. But I feel like Atlanta is

788
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: actually And I know it sounds crazy because your record

789
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: is your record, I get it, but Atlanta seems to

790
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: me a little more competent than that, am I Am

791
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I giving them too much credit here?

792
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: No, look at their schedule though they've they've had some

793
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: big wins and some bad losses. There's no middle ground

794
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: with them.

795
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

796
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, and they've got some great offensive talent with

797
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: Robinson and Drake London and and Pitts. And you know,

798
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 5: Pennis is that the problem is Pennis is like so

799
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 5: up and down, gives you great stuff and did not

800
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 5: great stuff.

801
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 6: Uh.

802
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 5: This is another one of those that the Colts can't

803
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 5: roll the ball out there and win it. They're gonna

804
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: have to play well so uh but but again, if

805
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 5: you're if you're a good team, these are the kind

806
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: of teams that you beat. But then I say that

807
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 5: they should have You know that that's Pittsburgh the kind

808
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 5: of team they should have beat. But Atlanta's Atlanta is

809
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 5: just hard to prepare for because you don't know which

810
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 5: Falcon teams you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have one vote in for the and

812
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: you said again you think it's Tennessee chap Yeah.

813
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: Just because I saw him and they were really bad.

814
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: Too.

815
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: They were really bad.

816
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami looks completely clueless, not unlike this show. All right, cheap,

817
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. As always. We'll talk to you

818
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: next week. Good and talk all right, be well, guys.

819
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Speaker 1: All right, Mike Chapel joining us Java House, Peel and

820
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: Port guest Line. Joining us now in the Java House,

821
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: Peel and Poor guest Line. He is of course a

822
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: return guest to the program, going back to the playoffs

823
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: from last year. Talking about with Bucks Radio Network and

824
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: locked on Bucks, Justin Garcia joining us and Justin whoever

825
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: would have guessed back when we were talking about the

826
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: budding rivalry between the Pacers and the Bucks that the

827
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: day would come when we would be discussing Miles Turner

828
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: suiting up on the other side of things for Milwaukee.

829
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Speaker 1: And it's going to be a fun one tonight at

830
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: the field House as a result of that. From the

831
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Speaker 1: Indiana standpoint, it's a major talking point about Miles Turner.

832
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: What about on the Milwaukee side and their fan base.

833
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, I'm indifferent on

834
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 7: Rush as well, so I'm with you guys. It's certainly

835
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: big out here. I mean, I think the rivalry was

836
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 7: probably bigger for the Bucks than the Pacers the last

837
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 7: couple of years. Is that fair to say, because you

838
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 7: guys won all the matchups and the Bucks didn't. But

839
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 7: it certainly kicked up the level with intrigue. I mean,

840
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 7: I remember the day that the news broke, we all

841
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 7: assumed this was some type of sign and trade that

842
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 7: the Bucks had managed to pull off with the Pacers,

843
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 7: and then learning that Damian Lillard that's waved and stretched

844
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 7: and this team is going in a totally different direction.

845
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 7: I think both fan bases probably did an immediate one

846
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 7: to eighty on Miles Turner that he was not quite

847
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 7: Tyree Celiburton levels, but he was a big thorn in

848
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 7: the Bucks side, especially when you compared him to Lopez,

849
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 7: and he instantly became one of the two or three

850
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 7: most popular players on this team. So I know there's

851
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 7: a lot of intrigue on the Indie side, but I

852
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 7: think for Bucks fans too, they just want to go

853
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 7: to Indiana and finally beat the Pacers.

854
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: How has he played so far?

855
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 7: I think he's been okay, you know. I think if

856
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 7: you look at the numbers, it certainly doesn't jump off

857
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 7: the page. I think there's still a lot of trying

858
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 7: to figure out how he fits in alongside Yiannis. I think, honestly,

859
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 7: the only real complaints that you would have is you'd

860
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 7: like him to be a little more aggressive so far,

861
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 7: but there's a lot of little things that he's brought.

862
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 7: His defense, as we expected, has been terrific, and he's

863
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 7: able to replicate a lot of what Brook Lopez did,

864
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 7: but obviously give you more with some more of his versatility.

865
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 7: But he's brought in and He talked about this at

866
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 7: media day too, wanting to be an agent of change.

867
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Speaker 7: I think is that he termed it. He's brought in

868
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 7: a lot of that with this group that I know

869
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 7: a lot of the players had talked to Miles too

870
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 7: and kind of started to pick his brain of how

871
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 7: did you guys have so many comebacks last year?

872
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: Like what did you do?

873
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: And the way they moved without the ball and their

874
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 7: offensive movement overall, He's been the guy that's kind of

875
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 7: steered a lot of that where if you watch the

876
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 7: Bucks offensively this season, it's I mean, obviously there's no dame,

877
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 7: but just the way they're playing, it's night and day

878
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 7: from how things were the last two or three years.

879
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

880
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: The the thing about Miles Turner when he was here,

881
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Justin is the I always thought that

882
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: Turner was a piece for Indiana that facilitated and contributed

883
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: in ways that weren't necessarily statistical, because he was just

884
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: a conduit to the way that the Pacers wanted to play.

885
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: By having that I mean, you know that, I mean,

886
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, his ability to pass out of the high post,

887
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: and then his rim protection and his ability to shoot

888
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: from the outside and I guess Lopez would have been

889
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: a I'milllart type player for Milwaukee, and maybe that's the

890
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: role that he is looking to fill in or they're

891
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: looking for him to fill in. But the one thing

892
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: that I guess I would be curious of, and that

893
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: is how critical a role is he expected to be

894
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: once it all comes together in Milwaukee? Is he thought

895
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: to be Are they looking at it saying Miles Turner

896
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: is going to be the robin to the batman of Giannis.

897
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 6: I don't think it's that level.

898
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 7: And I think that's where a lot of the Number

899
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 7: one if you're carrying close to twenty five million dollars

900
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 7: in dead cap space, so that's going to bring some

901
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 7: skepticism with the wave and and stretch of being. But

902
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 7: I think the other part that some people would push

903
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 7: back on was do you expect this guy to be

904
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 7: your second best player? I think if you factor in

905
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 7: both ends of the floor, it's a discussion. Offensively, I

906
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 7: don't think that was ever the intention for this group.

907
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 7: That they just wanted some more versatility in that spot.

908
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 7: They wanted him to be a defender that allows you

909
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 7: to play the same way with two bigs that are

910
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 7: seven footers that can protect the win, but get away

911
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 7: from just the traditional drop defense and have Miles play

912
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 7: out on the perimeter a little bit more and free

913
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 7: up the honest even more so. But I think the

914
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 7: bigger thing, too is the Bucks have really pushed and

915
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 7: we heard this. I mean every team has said two

916
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 7: things through the offseason and training camp of we want

917
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 7: to play faster and we want to take more threes.

918
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 7: The Bucks especially said that going back to the summer

919
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 7: League that they were the most efficient three point shooting

920
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 7: team in the league. But I think they were eighteenth

921
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 7: in the temps per game, So they were fine if

922
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 7: the efficiency numbers dipped a little bit as long as

923
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 7: they're taking more shots. And that's the other thing that

924
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 7: Miles is going to help them with is right now,

925
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 7: he's averaging about the same as he did in terms

926
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 7: of attempts a year ago. But they believe Miles Turner

927
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 7: can get up more three point attempts than brook Lopez,

928
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 7: and he can certainly get off the shot, as you

929
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 7: guys saw, much quicker than brook Lopez did, which just

930
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 7: creates those.

931
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 6: Secondary actions for this group that you have to react quicker.

932
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 7: So if you asked me to say, where would you

933
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 7: anticipate Miles in kind of the pecking order if you

934
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 7: ranked the most important Bucks players, I think it's probably

935
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 7: three on that list. Like coming into the season, we

936
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 7: all believe probably Kevin Porter Junior. I think where we

937
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 7: were right was we thought the starting point guard would

938
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 7: be the second most important player for this Bucks team,

939
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 7: that Miles was not a role player, but a guy

940
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 7: that just did a lot of good things for you,

941
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 7: but not necessarily your second best player.

942
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 6: And that's become Ryan Rollins.

943
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 7: So I think that's also helped Miles too, that this

944
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 7: is more a team brand of basketball and you're not

945
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 7: telling Miles Turner hay go be our second best player

946
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 7: and score twenty points a night.

947
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: By the way, Rollins has played really well, right, I mean,

948
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: and this was a little bit of and you tell

949
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here justin Justin Garcia is our

950
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: guest talking about the Milwaukee Bucks. It seems like Rollins

951
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: to me is like that found twenty when you're doing

952
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: your You're launch. Yeah right, they didn't expect us at all?

953
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

954
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: No? Yeah?

955
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 7: I mean I think they feel like Aj Green is

956
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 7: like a found ten dollars bill in the laundry with

957
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 7: what he developed in terms of his shooting, and he's

958
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 7: fine defensively. With Ryan, you saw flashes of it last year.

959
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 7: I think his growth was really stunted early in the

960
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 7: season when he suffered a shoulder injury and his option

961
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 7: was either you can have surgery and it'll basically knock

962
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 7: you out for the year, or you can rest and

963
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 7: rehab and play through it. He opted to do that,

964
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 7: and he kind of stalled a little bit until leaning

965
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 7: into the playoffs. But then, as you know, you guys

966
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 7: saw firsthand, it became very evident the Bucks had maybe

967
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 7: five and a half guys they could really play in

968
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 7: that series against the Pacers, and Ryan was one of them.

969
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 7: So they remained high on him all through last season.

970
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 7: In the summer as well. Having said that, I don't

971
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 7: think anybody envisioned unless it's people in the organization. I

972
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 7: don't know that there's many that envisioned Ryan Rollins posting

973
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 7: twenty five point and then two nights later out dueling

974
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 7: Steph Curry and having thirty two points in terrific defensively.

975
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 7: So yeah, he's been that found twenty or even more

976
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 7: in your laundry.

977
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: Justin do you believe that Miles Turner, that Milwaukee would

978
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: have would have gone after Miles Turner as aggressively and

979
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: as emphatically, you know, hey, here's the offer. And we

980
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: don't know this was what was said, but I mean,

981
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: by all account, it seems as though it was along

982
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: the lines of, here is our offer. You cannot use

983
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: this to try to counteroffer somebody else's deal because you

984
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: have until X amount to sign it or it goes

985
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: off the table, and that's that. Would they have had

986
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: the same approach and would they have had the same

987
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: level of interest in Miles Turner if he had the

988
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: exact same production, was the exact same player, but was

989
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: coming from the Portland Trailblazers, Orlando Magic or New Orleans Pelicans.

990
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: How much of the motivation to acquire him was not

991
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: only the win of getting Miles Turner, but the additional

992
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: bonus of dissolving Indiana.

993
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm a naive. I don't really

994
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 6: think that was a huge factor for the team.

995
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure it makes for a great story,

996
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 7: and you certainly don't mind of, Oh, this is really

997
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 7: going to set Indiana back with you know, obviously Tyery's

998
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 7: Helibert now. But the important part, and you know we've

999
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 7: talked about it on shows that I've done in elsewhere

1000
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 7: for the last like two years, it feels like is

1001
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 7: I think brook Lopez was still a valuable piece, but

1002
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 7: you just started to see more and more. I mean,

1003
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 7: father Time is unbeaten, and no question up with you

1004
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 7: that yeah you can still you know, defend the rim,

1005
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 7: but as again you guys saw, you can put him

1006
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 7: in actions where you can really take advantage of that.

1007
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 7: And the other thing with Brooke is he needs that

1008
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 7: solid perimeter defense around him where you funnel things to

1009
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 7: him and then he doesn't look quite as exposed and

1010
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 7: that just got shipped away year after year for the

1011
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 7: Bucks for the last couple of years. So having said

1012
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 7: all that, you also have Gianni's who is growing sense

1013
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 7: and purpose as a center. But I mean, I know

1014
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 7: it's a very low volume of sense. He's been better

1015
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 7: at shooting the three this year, but you need to

1016
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 7: surround him with shooters and especially big so Bucks brought

1017
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 7: in Jericho Sims last year kind of similar to Ryan Rollins,

1018
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 7: not anywhere near those levels. He showed you a lot

1019
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 7: of signs that you liked, and I think he was

1020
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 7: a piece that Bucks fans thought, here's a young babe

1021
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 7: you can move around. The problem is he can't shoot,

1022
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 7: so you can't really play he and Giannis together. And

1023
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 7: it just comes back to you need another center that

1024
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 7: can protect the rand and can also shoot threes.

1025
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 6: And I mean, I know it's becoming more and more.

1026
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 7: Common, but when you look at the most effective guys

1027
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 7: that have done that, it's really been Brooke Lopez and

1028
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 7: Miles Turner for the last handful of years. So Miles

1029
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 7: Turner's name would come up a lot with Bucks fans

1030
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 7: of it's time to move on from Brooks, go get

1031
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 7: Miles Turner, and I think we all agreed that. Then

1032
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 7: you'd say, okay, great, But there's no real means for

1033
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 7: the Bucks to do that with their situation.

1034
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 6: We didn't anticipate them just saying okay, we're moving on

1035
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 6: from Dame.

1036
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they had to get creative with it, right

1037
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: in terms of the money, and one would assume that financially,

1038
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: it kind of puts a limit on them moving forward.

1039
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 7: Correct in theory yet and where it gets interesting though,

1040
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 7: is so if it's so, I mean, they could go

1041
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 7: one of two ways for the Bucks here. If this works,

1042
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, they have a lot more available

1043
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 7: throughout the course of the year. Like you get through

1044
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 7: the season, they got three first round picks, but they

1045
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 7: can suddenly put in a package. They would have a

1046
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 7: you know, a Ale Kuzma expiring contract and other contracts

1047
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 7: that they could piece together, which for the longest time

1048
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 7: their salaries were just super maxes and then a lot

1049
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 7: of minimum contracts. But then they also have again, like

1050
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 7: you've got Ryan Rollinds making four million dollars a year

1051
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 7: for the next two seasons. You just locked up aj

1052
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 7: Green for ten million dollars a year. Gary trans Junior

1053
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 7: and Kevin Porter Junior both came back for basic Labor

1054
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 7: League minimum their free agents next year. But if this works,

1055
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 7: it's easy to coach those guys into sticking around and

1056
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 7: taking a little less. So you do have that hanging

1057
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 7: over you with that twenty million dollar game stretch figure,

1058
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 7: but you're in a much better spot suddenly, campwise.

1059
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: Justin's going to be a lot of fun tonight at

1060
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: the Fieldhouse. We will see. I'm anticipating that Miles Turner

1061
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: gets even though I think fans deep down as a dude,

1062
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: they still like the guy, but he's going to get booed,

1063
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: probably regularly, and I would imagine might be every time

1064
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: he touches the ball. But we shall see. But that

1065
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: is what makes sports go round. It's been a fun

1066
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: rivalry for certain. I think it was surprising by a

1067
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: lot of people. But over the course of the year,

1068
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: look forward to having you back on if we could.

1069
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: Justin Justin Garcia from the Bucks Radio Network and Locked

1070
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: on Bucks. Appreciate it, man, Yeah, no problem. Justin Garcia

1071
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: on the program.