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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I Hammer another violent weekend in downtown Indy

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five years ago. Man, I would be down

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Speaker 3: here every weekend, felt safe, fun South Meridian, all those

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Speaker 3: bars up and down the street. There, There's no way,

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Speaker 3: even in my advanced age at forty nine years old,

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Speaker 3: like I would come down here past a certain certain hour.

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Speaker 3: And even if I did, there's there'd be certain bars

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Speaker 3: certain bars I wouldn't feel comfortable going into. Right, Let's

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Speaker 3: be honest.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I could be okay going into Clayton

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Speaker 4: Anderson's country music bar Downtown Coaches Tavern. I feel like

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Speaker 4: those guys take security very seriously. But from what it

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Speaker 4: sounds like with the Chief of Police and mayor Boss

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Speaker 4: hog Set, they don't have a lot of confidence in

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Speaker 4: some of these other bar owners here in Indy. And

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Speaker 4: this has been a problem Nighte that we've talked about

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Speaker 4: on this show, not only in downtown Indy but in

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Speaker 4: Broad Ripple two.

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Speaker 3: Well sure, yeah, and in the other bar owners. The

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Speaker 3: bar owners that are responsible, the bar owners that take

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Speaker 3: care of business, the bar owners that don't allow their

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Speaker 3: bartenders or staff to drink while on duty. Those guys

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Speaker 3: are going to be successful. Those guys are going to

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Speaker 4: Now, to be fair, I may or may not have

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Speaker 4: had some birthday shots with the staff of Coaches Tavern

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Speaker 4: when we did our live show there, But they've also

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Speaker 4: talking security.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. That was four o'clock

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Speaker 3: in the afternoon. I'm not talking about two o'clock in

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Speaker 3: the morning on daylight saving night of all places.

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Speaker 4: So what we're talking about is three people being shots

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Speaker 4: on a bar and Meridian Street Hevedo Ultra Lounge.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: This is from Indie Reporter on social media. We love

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Speaker 4: the work of Indie Reporter. You hear Rob talk about

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Speaker 4: hear Rob talking about them that account quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: They posted a video of what it sounded like.

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Speaker 4: This is from somebody's cell phone video inside that facility

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Speaker 4: this weekend when gunfire started to ring out. Three shots,

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Speaker 4: three shots and nige three victims. Record show. It's the

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Speaker 4: fifth fight there since February of twenty twenty four. Now

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Speaker 4: that might not sound like a lot, but when you're

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Speaker 4: talking about a high profile tourist area that's supposed to

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Speaker 4: have security at the front gate. This is the fifth

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Speaker 4: time there's been a major incident there in just over

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Speaker 4: a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: That's not good, you know, the But I was watching

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Speaker 3: coverage of this the morning after, and the only person

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Speaker 3: that had this information was Russ mcquaide of It's Fox

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Speaker 3: fifty nine and CBS, And you know, I know, we

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Speaker 3: give him crap about his stance on two A and

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Speaker 3: his diet tribes that he goes on on Facebook, but

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Speaker 3: he mentioned something that interested me. I don't know why,

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Speaker 3: but two out of the three shooting victims had previously

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Speaker 3: been shot in separate incidents, one in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: in Castleton Square, and then another one of the victims

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Speaker 3: had previously been shot in Broader Bold in twenty twenty two. Either,

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Speaker 3: that's one hell of a coincident. And I'm like, how

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Speaker 3: hard is it to get shot? Trouble finds these dudes, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the circumstances of those previous I don't

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Speaker 3: really even know the circumstances of what happened here. They're

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Speaker 3: still putting pieces together here. But Russ was the only

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Speaker 3: remember back the good old days, man, don't you Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: crawling out of Teaky Bob's after doing like a dozen

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Speaker 4: Now, explain what that is. There may be somebody listening

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Speaker 4: that might not be aware of what you're talking about. It,

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm quite many different liqueurs. It involves Bailey's and.

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Speaker 4: It was a shot.

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Speaker 3: It was it was a type of shot. But but

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Speaker 3: it's something totally different now, and I would not go

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Speaker 3: shot multiple times and multiple incidents. They're using up their

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Speaker 4: Now, Boss hog Set, the mayor and the chief of

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Speaker 4: police were really fired up about certain bar owners downtown

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Speaker 4: where trouble seems to be prevalent. Okay, and I get

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Speaker 4: that now. If I'm a bar owner downtown, if I'm

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Speaker 4: security safely. I want no part of that. But I

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Speaker 4: think in this case, multiple things can be true. What's

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Speaker 4: that old expression, The truth is usually in the middle.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how the security works at the Havido

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Speaker 4: Ultra Lounge. I'm not a regular patron there, Nige, but

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Speaker 4: if this is the fifth incident there since February of

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Speaker 3: Seems like it does very well. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: it seems like it's had some fair share of problems.

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Speaker 4: Right, If I'm one of the other bar owners, I'm

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Speaker 4: ticked off at the Ultra Lounge the same way some

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Speaker 4: was it land Sharks when they were.

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Speaker 3: Having There were some other bars there as well, Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like multiple things can be true. You

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Speaker 4: like that might be fair. But also how about the prosecution,

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Speaker 4: how about the judges in this city. You mentioned the

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Speaker 4: dudes that were involved in this Notedge, two out of

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Speaker 4: three had been involved in previous shootings before.

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Speaker 3: Well they were the victims, correct, they'd been shot before

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Speaker 3: at other places. But either that's one hell of a coincidence.

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Speaker 3: But trouble is finding it. I know, I just want

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Speaker 3: the previous shootings. That was Russ mcquaid's reporting. But how

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Speaker 4: We've got questions for the Chief of Police, Chris Bailey,

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Speaker 4: a little bit. Okay, so stick around here that conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: The Hammer and Nigel Show. Hello, my name is Nigel

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Speaker 3: Jason Hammer right over there with a very special guest

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Speaker 3: on the hotline. I'm fired up.

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Speaker 4: We've been waiting to get this guy on for a

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Speaker 4: long time. Yes, as you know, we are big supporters

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Speaker 4: Sheriff Grady Judd from Polk County, Florida. Yo, My man,

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Speaker 4: how are you, Sheriff?

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Speaker 2: It is my honor to be with you. I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: How are you and all the doing in Indianapolis?

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Speaker 4: Man, we're doing great. And you know, Nigel and I

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Speaker 4: were talking off the air while we were waiting for

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Speaker 4: you to connect with us. We're wondering, like, what's working

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Speaker 4: for you in Polk County from a law enforcement standpoint

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Speaker 4: that maybe we could take some notes on here in Indy.

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Speaker 4: I get there's a population difference. I get that, but man,

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Speaker 4: we're having some problems here in Indy. What's working for you, Sheriff?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's almost a million people in this county, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand, so we're not small. But I

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Speaker 2: found out what works is if you put bad guys

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, well that's a damn good idea, right.

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Speaker 2: You know, if they arrest, if they violate the law,

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Speaker 2: we arrest them, and they have a clear understanding of that. Now,

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Speaker 2: there's some places in the states, the various states, that oh,

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Speaker 2: you can do a petty theft and we'll give you

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Speaker 2: in Florida and Polk County, if you do a petty theft,

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Speaker 2: jen let you post a bond to get out. Oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, you have to post a bond, and

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Speaker 2: we don't just let you out. There's expectations you're held

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Speaker 2: responsible and accountable for your misbehavior here, and that makes

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Speaker 2: which is the overwhelming majority of them, really really really

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Speaker 3: Well, Sheriff, here's the difference. I don't know what you're

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Speaker 3: really okay. I'll ask you, what's your relationship like with

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Speaker 3: So you got to be simpotico with the other with

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Speaker 2: Sure, well, we get along really, really well. Our state

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Speaker 2: attorney here is Brian Has. He's like at state attorneys

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Speaker 2: as I'm an elected sheriff, and we're partners. You know.

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Speaker 2: Our arrest them, he prosecutes them. So our judges are

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Speaker 2: tell the governor, I said, hey, this is a good

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Speaker 2: we don't want people that are spineless, that are judges,

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Speaker 4: You know, right right. Sheriff Brady Judd from Polk County,

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Speaker 4: Florida joining us here on the Hammer In Nigel Show.

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Speaker 4: Sheriff is the one that taught me the term rolex ugly,

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Speaker 4: by the way, which is a clip that we have

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Speaker 4: played multiple times on this program.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Shriff, let it be known just before I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I mean to interrupt you.

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Speaker 2: Hammer.

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Speaker 3: We look, we've been playing clips of yours for years

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Speaker 3: on this program. You've given us some gold, Sheriff.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I need all the help I

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Speaker 2: million views a week right now?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's it. Well, you know, maybe step your game

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Speaker 4: up just a little bit there, sheriff. Hey, have you

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Speaker 4: ever had somebody from like I don't know, a consulting

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Speaker 4: maybe you need to calm it down just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Every now and then you'll have someone from what

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Speaker 2: I call the woke left, you know. Yeah, oh, I

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Speaker 2: want the ones that you know have rubber for spines.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, oh, you know, you might hurt somebody's feelings.

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Speaker 2: The only person's feelings. I'm going to hurt the criminal

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Speaker 2: that's violating the law or maybe his mama or daddy,

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Speaker 2: And if his mama or daddy make him behave, I'll

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Speaker 2: quit bad mouthony. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: the overwhelming majority of the people in this county must

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Speaker 2: like what I'm doing. I mean, I'm in my sixth

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Speaker 2: term of office. I have won overwhelmingly. I mean, my

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Speaker 2: smallest win reelection has been like eighty four percent. You know,

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Speaker 5: But do you know they may be shocked to find

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Speaker 4: Sheriff Grady Judd with us, Sheriff, last thing here before

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Speaker 2: Well, just remember what Yogi Bear said a long time

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Speaker 4: Love it, Love it, Sheriff Grady Judge, Polk County, Florida. Sheriff,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much. Be safe, Tell your officer to

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Speaker 4: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. The only way to

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Speaker 3: Gunn Hey, my name is an Igel and that's Jason

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Speaker 4: Now, we never know what we're gonna get with Guy Relford.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll come in here on Monday with a Colt's

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Speaker 7: I'd be in court today. I had a plea hearing

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Speaker 4: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, happy birthday, buddy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sixty eight yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Well, you look like a million damn dollars. And you

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Speaker 7: I saw this and Wall Street Journal tweeted this and

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Speaker 3: I feel like that started in Florida, Yeah, with that dude.

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Speaker 7: And the thing is that Trayvon Martin, right, and George

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Speaker 7: That's not how the law works. I defend self defense cases.

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Speaker 4: So let's do some hypothetical stuff. That's one of my

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Speaker 7: But you're still going to jail, Okay, because because because

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Speaker 4: you can't shoot them in the back.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a really great question. See now, by moving

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Speaker 7: the whole hypothetical adjacent into your home. Now the rules

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Speaker 7: are different, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So there's a big difference between you get public place

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Speaker 4: in your.

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Speaker 7: Home because now we're talking about not the general self

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Speaker 7: defense rules. Now we're talking about the castle doctrine. And

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Speaker 7: the castle doctrine is a different set of rules. It's

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Speaker 7: a different subsection within that same statue. You might wants

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Speaker 7: to look this up, you want to read the whole thing.

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Speaker 7: It's Indiana Code Section thirty FIVESH forty one DOSH three

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Speaker 7: DESH two. Okay, and we just moved from subsection C

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Speaker 7: to subsection D. And that's the castle doctrine, okay. And

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Speaker 7: what it says is I can use reasonable force, including

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Speaker 7: deadly force, with no duty to retreat.

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Speaker 4: Aha.

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Speaker 7: That means it's a standard ground law. I don't okay,

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Speaker 7: I don't have to run out the back door first.

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Speaker 4: That's all. That means.

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Speaker 7: I don't have to run out the back door first

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Speaker 7: if I reasonably believe I'm either preventing or terminating. That is,

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Speaker 7: my deadly force is necessary keyword to prevent or terminate

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Speaker 7: an unlawful entry into or attack on my dwelling that's

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Speaker 7: where I live. Now, that can be permanent or temporary,

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Speaker 7: movable or fixed, meaning it could be my mobile home

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Speaker 7: when I'm sleeping in the in the RV park. It

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Speaker 7: could be my apartment that I'm renting for the for

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Speaker 7: a moment. It can be my hotel room, and of

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Speaker 7: course it can be my house. But if I reasonably

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Speaker 7: believe that I'm preventing or terminating an unlawful entry into

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Speaker 7: or attack on my dwelling, and that use of deadly

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Speaker 7: forces necessary, and that's a key word in the statute,

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Speaker 7: I can use deadly force. That's the that's the that's

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Speaker 7: the castle doctrine. But to your question, which is such

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Speaker 7: an excellent question, if somebody turns around, sees me and

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Speaker 7: and was running now for the door, saying, oh my god,

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Speaker 7: I get out of here, is any use of force

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Speaker 7: necessary in that circumstance, because necessary is a key requirement

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Speaker 7: of the statute. If I just need to stand there

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Speaker 7: and watch them leave and no force is necessary a house,

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Speaker 7: then it's a different ball game. That's why it's a

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Speaker 7: good question. Now, inside your home, most prosecutors are going

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Speaker 7: to say, hey, he broke in, you shot him. I'm

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Speaker 7: really not going to pick that under those circumstances, but

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Speaker 7: I always tell people, and I teach this stuff all

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Speaker 7: the time, the word necess he's in there. And if

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Speaker 7: somebody's running out on their own in your yard on

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Speaker 7: the curb that's over, you can't shoot him at that

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Speaker 7: point they're running away. Absolutely not. I mean I get

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Speaker 7: and these cases get prosecuted. You know, there are cases

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Speaker 7: where somebody's trying to break into your car and you say, hey,

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Speaker 7: you know, you see him on the ring doorbell, you say,

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Speaker 7: get out of my you know, get get away from

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Speaker 7: my car, and then you chase him down the road

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Speaker 7: and shoot him. Is it running away? Now You're going

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Speaker 7: to jail and stand your ground? Laws, contrary to the

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Speaker 7: Wall Street Journal, don't justify that in any way, shape

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Speaker 7: or form.

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Speaker 4: So if going back to our original scenario here hypothetical,

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Speaker 4: let's say I'm going out to the Havido Ultra Lounge

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Speaker 4: on Saturday, just hypothetically, hypothetically, you know the coupon lady,

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Speaker 4: and I walk in. I was able to get past security.

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Speaker 4: I've got a weapon on me, and I see somebody

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Speaker 4: starting to fire shots and they turn away. They weren't

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Speaker 4: firing at me. But in that case, could I eliminate

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Speaker 4: the threats.

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Speaker 7: Guess, because first of all, you have to be preventing

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Speaker 7: the unlawful use of force, right, So if that's a

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Speaker 7: police officer doing their job or something like that, then

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Speaker 7: it's off the table. But if you reasonably believe that

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Speaker 7: person is just going to murder people by pulling their

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Speaker 7: gun in that nightclub, can you, even as not the

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Speaker 7: intended victim, but as a third party, prevent that serious

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Speaker 7: bodily injury to someone else? Of course, that's the Eli

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Speaker 7: Dickins scenario in the Greenwood Park Mall, which is at

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Speaker 7: not only is justified, but makes him an incredible hero.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, Monday Gun Day with the best

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Speaker 4: two way attorney in all of America, Guy Ralford, host

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Speaker 4: of the Gun Guys show, Guys Supreme Court, they've taken

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Speaker 4: up another two way case they have.

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Speaker 7: This is the Hamani case. And this is really interesting

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Speaker 7: and this bears on a case that got a lot

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Speaker 7: of media exposer as you should when Hunter Biden got

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Speaker 7: convicted of federal law, and of course until Daddy pardoned him,

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Speaker 7: he was looking at some serious jail time.

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Speaker 3: I think that the autopin yeah, well, good point.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we know, because there's a picture of it.

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Speaker 3: In the Galaxy in the White House.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, Hunter Biden was convicted under the statute that

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Speaker 7: says it's illegal for you to possess a firearm or

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Speaker 7: attempt to purchase a firearm if you're a user of

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Speaker 7: or addicted to any illegal drugs. And the monic case

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Speaker 7: is really interesting because it involves a guy who admitted

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Speaker 7: to being a regular user of marijuana. Well, there's no

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Speaker 7: accusation he was high at the time that he possessed

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Speaker 7: a firearm, but he was a regular user of marijuana,

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Speaker 7: and marijuana, as ridiculous as this is, remains an illegal

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Speaker 7: drug under the federal controlled substances that.

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Speaker 4: Have made it legal. But under the federal law, it's illegal.

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Speaker 7: Not always illegal. It's like a Schedule one or Schedule

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Speaker 7: A or however that works, where it's the worst of

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Speaker 7: the drugs. It's in the category up but with meth

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Speaker 7: and cocaine and heroin, And as ridiculous as that is,

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Speaker 7: that's the way federal law is currently structured. So this

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Speaker 7: guy admitted to being a regular user of marijuana, he

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Speaker 7: gets prosecuted, and he gets convicted of a federal crime.

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Speaker 7: Looking at Sarria's prison time because he possessed a gun

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Speaker 7: while also being a quote unquote regular user of marijuana.

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Speaker 7: The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals that oversees Texas where

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Speaker 7: this case came out of, I believe found that to

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Speaker 7: be unconstitutional, and Justice Department, interestingly enough, appealed it, and

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Speaker 7: now it's in front of the Supremes. And I just

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Speaker 7: think this is really interesting because because listen, I'm not

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Speaker 7: a marijuana user. I learned in college that marijuana and

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Speaker 7: I don't get along, right. I want to assume the fetal.

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Speaker 3: Position, and hal is that the excuse I'm going.

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Speaker 7: I inhaled too much, apparently because it makes me completely

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Speaker 7: anti social and paranoid. But it may be a Germaine

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Speaker 7: issue with people in my family, And so I think

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Speaker 7: it's ridiculous that marijuana is illegal to begin with, but

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Speaker 7: it's certainly illegal for someone masta choose between their constitutional

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Speaker 7: rights and smoking a joint from time to time. So

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Speaker 7: that Supreme Court is going to rule on that.

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Speaker 4: Where can people find you? Maybe hire you if they've

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Speaker 4: got questions? How can they reach out? Man?

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Speaker 7: Follow me on Twitter and give me a follow while

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Speaker 7: you're on there. I'm just at Guy Ralford on Twitter

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Speaker 7: or x at Guy Ralford, What.

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Speaker 4: An hour we've had, Grady Judd and Guy Rouls, incredible

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Speaker 4: Hammer and Nigel's show. Baby, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 2: You believe these characters are weirdos.

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Speaker 3: Day said, Hammer is right over there, Allison, our producer

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Speaker 3: has joined us in studio off air conversation. Oh dear god,

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Speaker 3: HR violations. We in let's see the government shut down?

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Speaker 3: What October first? So this is November three. I don't

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Speaker 3: know math very well. Four days. Bill Maher on Friday

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Speaker 3: on his show on HBO was talking about this a

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Speaker 3: little bit that the government shutdown is kind of based

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Speaker 3: on the Affordable Care Act. This is something you and

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Speaker 3: I have been talking about and saying and reiterating for days.

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Speaker 3: This is all subsidies the Democrats pulled. It's like a

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Speaker 3: bait and switch on because they said, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we're just doing this for the COVID emergency, but the

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Speaker 3: emergencies over now. But they still want those emergency acts

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Speaker 3: in place, and they said, oh no, no, now, we

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Speaker 3: want it now. It's forever right, correct, That's it.

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Speaker 4: And listen, anybody that actually follows this closely can see

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Speaker 4: this like we've been talking about it for a while the.

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Speaker 3: Super subsidies, the super you know, the things that were

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Speaker 3: enacted during COVID that said, hey, this is only temporary.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get you guys through COVID and then

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Speaker 3: we're going to end this. But the Democrats want those

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Speaker 3: to go on on and on and on on forever.

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Speaker 4: Right, they were set to expire and listen, the Republicans

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Speaker 4: have the majority. They do like the efficient blue check

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Speaker 4: mark Democrats accounts put some post out going. The Republicans

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Speaker 4: have the White House, the Senate, and the House. This

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Speaker 4: is their shutdown. No, it's not because they don't have

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Speaker 4: the Senate. Well, I mean you do, but you have

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Speaker 4: to have sixty votes. You have the majority. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: have to have sixty votes, so you need at least

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Speaker 4: seven Democrats. Let's say, yes, okay, we may disagree with

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Speaker 4: what's going on, but let's pass a temporary spending bill,

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Speaker 4: a temporary package that allows people to get their Snap

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Speaker 4: without having to dip into private business for people to

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Speaker 4: pay for Snap, and we'll figure it out because in

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Speaker 4: the past that's the way things have gone. Well, the

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Speaker 4: Republicans look like they're actually growing a backbone here and saying, look,

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Speaker 4: we will not be paying for illegals to have benefits

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Speaker 4: from taxpayer money. That's where we draw the line. And

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Speaker 4: if the Democrats want to continue to play games, well

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Speaker 4: then you own this thing. Now, for those of you

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Speaker 4: who may be Democrats hearing that, if you're not giving

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Speaker 4: me the middle finger right now, that's fine, but even

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Speaker 4: members of your own party agree to that. Here is

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Speaker 4: Senator from Pennsylvania John Fetterman.

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Speaker 8: I am deeply, deeply distressing to know that forty two

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Speaker 8: millions Americans are going to lose their snap benefits. And

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Speaker 8: now that's one of the big reasons why I refuse

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Speaker 8: to shutting our government down. And again I feel like

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Speaker 8: the Democrats really need to own the shutdown.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, who needs to own that?

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Speaker 4: Nige? Who did Fetterman say?

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Speaker 3: The Democrats need to own the shut down because they're

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Speaker 3: using it as a negotiating tool to get Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: to do what they want. And Donald Trump, as we know,

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Speaker 3: and as we talked about Friday, it doesn't work well

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about hostage situations so to speak, which

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Speaker 3: you can loosely compare here. Seriously, I mean, look, if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna there's no way that Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 3: to negotiate under duress with the Democrats holding them hostage,

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Speaker 3: with these benefits for illegal immigrants not gonna happen. He

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Speaker 3: said he'd do it in good faith if they pass

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Speaker 3: if they passed a bill. True.

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Speaker 4: Now, I will give you a little counter argument here. Now,

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Speaker 4: this happened when I was on vacation, So maybe you

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Speaker 4: and Spanglish or whoever filled in for me when I

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Speaker 4: was gone, talked about this. I don't like the idea

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Speaker 4: of Trump getting squorely with the filibuster, because there was

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Speaker 4: chatter last week about the old Man saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: let's do the nuclear option here, let's get rid of

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Speaker 4: the filibuster. I don't like the idea of that at all.

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Speaker 4: You've got the leverage here. Keep this damn thing closed

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Speaker 4: as long as you want, because if people who need

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Speaker 4: to get snapped benefits don't get them, Listen, this is politics,

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Speaker 4: And whether you think this is crass or not, I

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Speaker 4: don't care. Republicans have the leverage here. This is a

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Speaker 4: Democrat issue. They're screwing over their own constituents with this.

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Speaker 4: So let it play out. Let it comple completely play out.

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Speaker 4: Where are we at with this nudge actor? George Clooney

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Speaker 4: says that, you know, maybe Kamala Harris replacing Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: in that last election, bringing her out of the bullpen

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Speaker 4: as a candidate without a primary at the last minute

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Speaker 4: was kind of a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Well wait a minute, wasn't it his part of his idea?

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Speaker 3: Maybe not his idea to replace Joe Biden with Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 3: but it was certainly George Clooney's idea to put that

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Speaker 3: op ed out and New York Times after the disastrous debate,

654
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Speaker 3: agets Donald Trump with the blessing of his best friend

655
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Speaker 3: and overlord, Barack Obama, saying, hey, Biden needs to go.

656
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Speaker 3: He was the mouthpiece for it for sure. Oh that

657
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Speaker 3: precipitated the whole thing. Of course.

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Speaker 4: You know what's wild. And this is a story from

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Speaker 4: this past weekend. So a buddy of mine was telling

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Speaker 4: me his parents super liberal, older folks, super liberal. All

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Speaker 4: they watched was CNN, he was telling me. When they

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Speaker 4: watched that first debate between or the only debate between

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Speaker 4: Trump and Biden, they were shocked. They couldn't believe Biden

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Speaker 4: was in that position. Like I'm wondering how many Democrats

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Speaker 4: had sheltered themselves by only watching CNN and MSNBC, had

666
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Speaker 4: no idea that he was a bumbling befow.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think they all knew.

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Speaker 4: You think that they all knew?

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Speaker 3: And I think it was I think it was maybe

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Speaker 3: a relief to some Democrats saying, oh God, thank God

671
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Speaker 3: that we don't have to run him again. But they

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Speaker 3: had no idea that Kamala Harris would be such a disaster,

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Speaker 3: or maybe they did.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how did you not know she finished a

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Speaker 4: last in the primary when she ran as an individual.

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Speaker 4: Nobody likes this woman, she was installed, nobody voted for

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Speaker 4: her to run for president. Were there no King's rallies?

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Speaker 4: Because I'm sure there were probably a bunch of no

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Speaker 4: King's rallies, Nige, because apparently this country really has a

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Speaker 4: soft spot for, you know, people just having things handed

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Speaker 4: to them.

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Speaker 3: Were there no kings rallies? I guess not, huh during

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Speaker 3: that type period?

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Speaker 4: Interesting, So people that voted for Kamala were the ones

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Speaker 4: doing no King's rallies? Will all be damned tomorrow. It's

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Speaker 4: election day. Now, it's not a big one in Indiana,

687
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Speaker 4: but in other parts around the state, around the country,

688
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Speaker 4: rather New York, New Jersey, Minnesota, Virginia. They've got some

689
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Speaker 4: key races going on. Is New York actually going to

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Speaker 4: pull the trigger for a socialist, borderline communist Marxist guy

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Speaker 4: to lead the biggest city in the country.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you needed to add the word borderline

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Speaker 3: there at all.

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Speaker 4: I think he's going to win. I do.

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Speaker 3: He's going up against the love gov disgraced former Governor

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Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo, who was kicked out for sexual harassment reasons. Also,

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Speaker 3: you know, putting elderly COVID patients back in nursing homes

698
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Speaker 3: while they had COVID right killing who knows how many.

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Speaker 4: So I mean that election right there, I mean, those

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Speaker 4: are your choices. The Republican candidate who honestly should just

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Speaker 4: drop out at this point. Curtis Sliwa, the guy that

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Speaker 4: you know wears like the kangaroo style hat and he's

703
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Speaker 4: on the news all the time. He used to be

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Speaker 4: part of the Guardian Angels. The mob tried to put

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Speaker 4: a hit out on him. There's a better chance of

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Speaker 4: me dunking in an NBA game this year than him

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Speaker 4: winning this election. The only chance of Mamdami to get

708
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Speaker 4: beat is if Sleiewaod drops out and as of right now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's doing it. So in honor of

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Speaker 4: this being the night before the election, Notige, I put

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Speaker 4: together a little a lallaby, a little poem. Would you

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Speaker 4: like to hear it? Okay, twas the night before the election?

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Speaker 4: And up in New York they're choosing a new mayor,

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Speaker 4: a police hating socialist, or a sexually harassing Dork. New Jersey, Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: Virginia have key races too, but only New York has

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Speaker 4: AOC with a fake accent pandering right to you. New

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Speaker 4: York pick a socialist. Well, that's for their people to say,

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Speaker 4: and that includes all of the dead Democrat voters who

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Speaker 4: will be voting from beyond the grave. True New York's

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Speaker 4: mayoral election, it's really between a bunch of clowns. Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: It's like watching a football game on Sunday. The New

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Speaker 4: York Jets first, the Cleveland Brown we suck again. Mendami

723
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Speaker 4: hates police, a snake in a white shirt. And as

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Speaker 4: for Cromo, Judge Janine, you have no right to ask

725
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Speaker 4: an employee about her sexual likes and dislikes. Pervert the

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Speaker 4: end there it is, Bravos. Was the night before the election,

727
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five edition Night Presents.

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Speaker 3: It depends upon what the meaning of the word is.

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Speaker 3: Is this anything? Brodybai Indiana Unclaim presented by the Attorney

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Speaker 3: General's Office here in Indiana, reuniting Hoosiers with over one

731
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Speaker 3: million dollars in unclaimed property every single week, fast, easy,

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Speaker 3: free to search at Indiana Unclaimed dot gov.

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Speaker 4: Before we move forward, we just posted a video on

734
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Speaker 4: our social media of you, Nige, standing outside of the

735
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Speaker 4: unisex bathroom here. I've never heard it louder.

736
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Speaker 3: It sounds like if you've ever seen the movie War

737
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Speaker 3: the Worlds with Tom Cruise, the Steven Spielberg version in

738
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Speaker 3: the Tripods, right before they smoke everybody with their lasers

739
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Speaker 3: they go, It sounds exactly like that.

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Speaker 4: That's what the bathroom sounds like. That's what it sounds like.

741
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Speaker 4: It's still going on in there. If you want to

742
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Speaker 4: see the video for yourself, we've put it on our

743
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: Instagram story. You can also follow us on Twitter and Facebook.

744
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Speaker 4: Hammer and Nigel. You got to hear it to believe it.

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Speaker 4: That bathroom's going to blow up. There's no doubt in

746
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Speaker 4: my mind. Is this anything? A homeowner posted a video

747
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Speaker 4: showing how he enforces his no teenager's rule for trick

748
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Speaker 4: or treating. H He had a great setup with awesome treats,

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Speaker 4: but if he found out you were a teenager, he

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Speaker 4: shoots you with an automatic NERF gun. You are a teenager?

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Speaker 9: Are you?

752
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Speaker 4: No teenagers allowed? Happy Halloween? Didn't take anything you like?

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Speaker 4: What do you see that you like? We got macaroni

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Speaker 4: and cheese, We got crackers, we got coode. That's ramen.

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Speaker 4: He's on the drink over there too.

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Speaker 1: You sure you're not a teenager?

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Speaker 4: All right? Happy Halloween? You're twelve? You good? You're thirteen?

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Speaker 4: Hey thirteen? Why are you hold on? Why what you're

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Speaker 4: running for?

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Speaker 3: Was that the at the end was that him unloading

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Speaker 3: the NERF gun the on the teenager, and then and

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Speaker 3: then he even saying, get yourself some mac and cheese

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Speaker 3: and ramen noodles. Look, I don't know what kind of

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Speaker 3: neighborhood it was. Maybe it was like a neighborhood where

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Speaker 3: they needed some more sustenance instead of snickers and butterfinger.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I didn't we come to an agreement

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Speaker 3: on this at one point? Did teenagers count? Like you

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Speaker 3: still serve teenagers if they came to your door and

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Speaker 3: asked for.

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Speaker 4: Right, listen, if they're knocking on my door asking for candy,

771
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Speaker 4: they're dressed up. They're not breaking into somebody's house. They're

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Speaker 4: not selling drugs, they're not shooting somebody. Take a Snickers bar,

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Speaker 4: take a KitKat, take whatever we got here. I'm not

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Speaker 4: mad at that. I'm not mad at that at all. Okay,

775
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Speaker 4: now I've done a one eighty on that. When I

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Speaker 4: was younger, I was like, man, you're a little too

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Speaker 4: old to be here. What the hell. But as I've

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Speaker 4: gotten older, I'm thinking, you're not breaking into my car, so.

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Speaker 3: I'm willing to Here's some ramen noodles.

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Speaker 4: Is this anything? A small dog who went missing from

781
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Speaker 4: her family's home in Mississippi about five years ago was

782
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Speaker 4: reunited with her owners after turning up in Florida, five

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Speaker 4: and twenty miles away. Cut up five years ago. It's

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Speaker 4: a Chihuahua docs and mix. Dog's name is Penny. No

785
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Speaker 4: I saw this, and she saw a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: dodging traffic on a city street. Here's penn owner talking

787
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Speaker 4: about getting Penny back.

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Speaker 10: We thought Penny was a goner for sure. A few

789
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Speaker 10: months went by, we had posted her in some Facebook

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Speaker 10: missing pet groups and we never got any bites. So

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Speaker 10: we just assumed that she had moved on with life

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Speaker 10: with a new family, and indeed she did. She's a

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Speaker 10: little bigger, she's put on a little weight. We were

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Speaker 10: coming to get our dog. Yes, I'm so glad that

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Speaker 10: we were called.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Penny was microchipped, okay, and so she

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Speaker 3: went five years. Penny went five years without anybody checking

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Speaker 3: if she was microchip. She was well fed, looked like

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Speaker 3: she's been taken care of. I must have microchipping. I

800
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Speaker 3: must not understand. I thought, it's like we talked about

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Speaker 3: this last week. I feel like, didn't we didn't We like,

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Speaker 3: it's not like find my iPhone.

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Speaker 4: No, And it should be though, because we brought up

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Speaker 4: the fact that you can follow these sharks in the

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Speaker 4: ocean that have been tasks him swim up and down

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Speaker 4: the Eastern seaboard, but if you tag a dog, you

807
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Speaker 4: still can't find it.

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Speaker 11: Alison, Yeah, no, I believe that is exactly where we

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Speaker 11: landed on. And I don't understand why that's not a thing.

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Speaker 11: If I can look at my iPhone and track that,

811
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Speaker 11: if I can track my Uber driver, coming to pick

812
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Speaker 11: me up? Why can't I track my dog?

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Speaker 4: Right, especially if you're paying for that service.

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Speaker 3: So what's the microchip good for?

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Speaker 9: Then?

816
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Speaker 3: Just the information as to who owns it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's basically like it's like a caller, but for

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Speaker 11: the insights. You take him to the vet and the

819
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Speaker 11: vet has a scanner, or you could buy the scanner

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Speaker 11: on Amazon yourself, but you have to have a scanner

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Speaker 11: to scan it, and then it tells you the person's information.

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Speaker 4: I think with the advances of technology and the ability

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Speaker 4: to spy on people, let's not get ourselves, we should

824
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Speaker 4: be able to track where the dog goes.

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Speaker 3: Here's the question. The original owners lost the dog five

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Speaker 3: years ago and they had to drive five hundred miles

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Speaker 3: to go get it. Would you go get it at

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Speaker 3: that point?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 4: At that point, yes, I think if the dog has

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Speaker 4: been able to survive for five years, he warrants a

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Speaker 4: drive there. Now. If the dog is always trying to

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Speaker 4: escape and then gets out, clearly he didn't want to

834
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Speaker 4: be with you, maybe it's the best thing for him

835
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Speaker 4: to escape your crappy house. It's the hammer in Nigel Chef,

836
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Speaker 4: my name is Nigel Chason. Hammer right over there with

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Speaker 4: a very special guests on the hotline. The Chief of

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Speaker 4: police for the IMBD is Chris Bailey. Chief, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for taking the time to join us here

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Speaker 4: on a Monday, big headline this morning action downtown over

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Speaker 4: the weekend and the mayor. And it sounds like you too,

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Speaker 4: pretty fired up about certain bars, certain bar owners in

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Speaker 4: the way they're doing business.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's unfortunate. I mean, things have been

845
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Speaker 12: going really well down there. We got seventy thousand, seventy five,

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Speaker 12: seventy thousand plus kids in the chaperones, FFA in and out,

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Speaker 12: no issues. You know, it's always a big weekend for

848
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Speaker 12: US pacer game. We get cold skins, we got all

849
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Speaker 12: the things, will come and go, and yet consistently we

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Speaker 12: have a problem in about a two block area, consistently

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Speaker 12: over the course of the last I don't know how

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Speaker 12: many years, and we had some significant, significant problems with

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Speaker 12: a few bars. Those bars were eventually shut down and

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00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 12: those places remain empty to this day. And yet we

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Speaker 12: continue to still have these issues. And then, you know,

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Speaker 12: for the life of me, I can't understand why. And

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to get into specific names of bars

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Speaker 12: or any of those things. Because there's people that do

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Speaker 12: what they're supposed to do every single weekend and we

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Speaker 12: don't have any issues from it, and they know who

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Speaker 12: they are. The ones that have issues, they know who

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Speaker 12: they are because they hear from us routinely. We try

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Speaker 12: to work with them. We try to bring exercises. I

864
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 12: met with a group of South and Meriading Street and

865
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 12: other bars operators, managers, building owners a couple months ago

866
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 12: and when I saw things ramping back up that had

867
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 12: been gone for a while, and I thought in the

868
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 12: mess which was clear that ultimately they're accountable for what

869
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 12: happens inside their establishments, and provided them things they could

870
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 12: do to help themselves, help the area, help their community excise,

871
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 12: gave them some things that they can do. Some of

872
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 12: those folks listened, there's maybe not so much. So you know,

873
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 12: we can't let we can't have these things happen. And

874
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 12: they do have some accountability, but ultimate, at the end

875
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 12: of the day, the person that pulled the trigger in

876
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 12: both those two instances are the people responsible.

877
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: And have you heard from two questions? Have we found

878
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: the person that pulled the trigger? And then secondly, have

879
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: we heard I'm sure you talked to bar owners that

880
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 3: are doing the right thing and that are concerned about

881
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: things that are going on downtown.

882
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

883
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 12: You know, after my meeting I had with them, everyone

884
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 12: was in their rown, whether whether you are a person

885
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 12: who is problematic, your bar problematic, the people that attend

886
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 12: your bar problematic or not. They had to listen to me,

887
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 12: and I think some of them were pretty Maybe they didn't,

888
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 12: you know, appreciate that they were being brought into the

889
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 12: same room and had to listen to the principal talk

890
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 12: about the problems and the consequences. But I had conversations

891
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 12: with them a couple after the fact, and you know,

892
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 12: explain my position that I'm not trying to single out.

893
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 12: I'm trying to make everybody work together.

894
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 9: You know.

895
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 12: Some of the suggestions were, if you have a person

896
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 12: that's problematic in your bar and they're what's going to

897
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 12: keep them from walking down the street and walking in

898
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 12: someone else's bar and being problematic? Are you sharing information?

899
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 12: Are you talking to each other?

900
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Are you doing those things?

901
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 12: And I'm not sure that they are to the extent

902
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 12: that they should. You know, just a few months ago,

903
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 12: the bar right next door to this one had two

904
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 12: women shot in the leg by a armed security guard,

905
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 12: an employee of the bar who was trying to you know,

906
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 12: basically allegedly extort them for you know, cover charge that

907
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 12: they weren't charging to get in there. So that that

908
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 12: can't be IMP's fault, right, It can't be all the

909
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 12: other systems all that that is a problem with who

910
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 12: are you hiring, why are you hiring them, what are

911
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 12: their directions and those type of things. So there's a

912
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 12: little bit of a blame to go around to a

913
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 12: lot of different people with these incidents.

914
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: Chief when it comes to blame, and I know that's

915
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, a word that we're going to throw out there,

916
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 4: and everybody wants to find somebody to blame. I said

917
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: earlier on the show. I feel like multiple things can

918
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: be true here. I feel like you can criticize the

919
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 4: bars themselves for maybe a lack of security or letting

920
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 4: a bunch of things go. But also, I mean, you've

921
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: got a bunch of repeat offenders that are still out

922
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 4: on the street with violent records and they're allowed to,

923
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 4: you know, go into these same establishments as anybody else.

924
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 4: I feel like there's equal blame there. Does that make sense?

925
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 12: No? No, Yeah, one thing doesn't have to be true. Right, there's,

926
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 12: like I said, there's a little piece that goes around

927
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 12: in this particular incident. I just found out, you know,

928
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 12: after a conversation with Nigel earlier today, when did some

929
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 12: research on my own about something. One of the persons

930
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 12: shot was only twenty years old, should.

931
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: Even been in the bar, right.

932
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 12: And then you talk about people that are involved in

933
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 12: other criminal offenses, and I'm not going to talk about

934
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 12: the victims in this case, but yeah, we do see

935
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 12: these repeat violent offenders or these repeat offenders that end

936
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 12: up somehow with another gun and.

937
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: They go out just like everybody else.

938
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 12: So there's, yeah, there's a lot of blame to go around,

939
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 12: but in this particular case is preventable. We spent an

940
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 12: exorbitant amount of money, over time, money just for those

941
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 12: two couple blocks of downtown. And it's frustrating for me

942
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 12: because it should be frustrating for tax payers.

943
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: They're certainly not.

944
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 12: Generating that much tax money back into the economy that

945
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 12: we're spending down there to make sure adults who should

946
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 12: know better can go out, have a good time and

947
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 12: go home. And let me be clear about something else,

948
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 12: ninety nine point nine percent of the people do that

949
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 12: but it only takes one or two, and like in

950
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 12: this particular incident, to catch somebody with a straight round

951
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 12: walking on the street, or suddenly a gunfire erupts in

952
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 12: a building where you're trapped and confined, where some money

953
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 12: can be seriously killed, or multiple people can be hit

954
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 12: by bullets like we saw in that one bar.

955
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: Talk a little. Look. I'm not a bar owner. I

956
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: don't know much about running a bar, but I've been

957
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 3: going to bars for a long time. I'm forty nine

958
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: years old. I've Here's what I understand. Here's what I understand.

959
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: I understand that you cannot operate a bar successfully and

960
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: with no problems if the employees are also drinking along

961
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: with the patrons. Is that a problem with some of

962
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: these bars downtown that you're finding, is that the employees

963
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: are also imbibing along with the patrons.

964
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

965
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 12: I've had reported to me from our officers where we've

966
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 12: had issues and you go to talk to the manager,

967
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 12: you see bartenders and they're.

968
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: They're half popped themselves.

969
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 12: So there have been those reports. To me, It's not unusual,

970
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 12: I think if you've been going to bars as long

971
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 12: as you say, and I have no doubt that you have, Nigel.

972
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was an awkward publican.

973
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 12: Stop my laugh from coming out. But help uh that

974
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 12: you know you see that.

975
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: You know some.

976
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 12: People at the bar will buy the bartender shots, right

977
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 12: and how many times the night does that happen?

978
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 3: Uh?

979
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 12: And if you're part of your responsibilities to make sure

980
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 12: people aren't overserved, and you can't do that if you

981
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 12: yourself have been overserved. So I'm not saying it's rampant.

982
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 12: I'm saying that it happens. It has happened. Uh, And

983
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 12: I'm sure it happens, and not just bars downtown but

984
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 12: all over all over what we see those kind of things,

985
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 12: and those are things that as a business owner or

986
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 12: manager you just can't you can't set up with.

987
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 4: Speaking with the Chief of Police for IMPD, Chris Bailey

988
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: here on the Hammer in Nigel Show, Chief, we hear

989
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: from your bosses and city leaders, Downtown Indy is the

990
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 4: safest part of Indy, especially when there's an election year.

991
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: You hear that at every single debate and campaign. When

992
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 4: these headlines come out, and they happen unfortunately quite a bit.

993
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 4: It feels like, what's your response when you hear somebody

994
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 4: in your city say you know what, I like downtown Indy.

995
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for downtown Indy, but I don't feel safe

996
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 4: being downtown after ten o'clock.

997
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, that's the hardest part of our job

998
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 12: is to fight perception. You can, you can put numbers

999
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 12: out all you want, obviously, if it believes that leads

1000
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 12: the headlines that people see, you know, on the websites.

1001
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 12: You know what leads off every newscast, as it will

1002
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 12: tonight and probably tomorrow will be what happens down there,

1003
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 12: you know, And that's at the detriment. I think sometimes

1004
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 12: a downtown, downtown, no doubt, is an economic engine of

1005
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 12: the entire state of Indiana. We all have a vested

1006
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 12: interest in making sure that it's safe and it's a

1007
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 12: great place to live, work and visit, and it is.

1008
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 12: But when you have these things happen, it is always

1009
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 12: a step back. It is always another punch and they

1010
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 12: gut and another black guy.

1011
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: I've had at.

1012
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 12: Least three different police conventions in this city this year,

1013
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 12: and every time I go and open remarks or at

1014
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 12: the end of if I speak to people that I

1015
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 12: know from all of the country, they love our city,

1016
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 12: they felt safe in our city. But they may also

1017
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 12: not have been on it one in the morning or

1018
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 12: two in the morning. What's the old saying, nothing good

1019
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 12: happens after midnight, And I'm especially believe in that now

1020
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 12: with the amount of people who aren't afraid to pull

1021
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 12: the trigger, who have conflict issues, who may be hire,

1022
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 12: drunk or both at the same time out that late,

1023
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 12: if you're bumping into them the wrong way, something bad

1024
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 12: might happen. It's very unfortunate, and I wish ahead and

1025
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 12: half it.

1026
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: Well.

1027
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 12: We're going to keep doing everything we can to let

1028
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 12: people know the downtound safe, but also help them understand

1029
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 12: that it is and do our you know, make it

1030
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 12: actually make it safe.

1031
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 4: Well, Chief, I know the job's not easy and you

1032
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: guys have a thankless job, but keep up the hard work.

1033
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 9: Man.

1034
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 4: Tell your officers there's a lot of people out there,

1035
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 4: specifically the listeners of our show, that are rooting for them,

1036
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: and be safe.

1037
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 12: You know who ran toward the gunfire over the weekend,

1038
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 12: IMPD officers, We're all should be very grateful and thankful

1039
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 12: for him. I know I am, and I appreciate the

1040
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 12: time to come on the show and talk about the

1041
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 12: great work that they do every single day because they're

1042
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 12: the best of us.

1043
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show, Nige. If you need

1044
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: a reason to drink, tonight's okay, it's National Sandwich Day,

1045
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: National Sandwich Day.

1046
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll drink to that.

1047
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 4: Better sandwich turkey or ham sandwich, whichever you prefer, or

1048
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: a PB and J.

1049
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna go club sandwich, which includes both. I

1050
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: believe in bacon and lettuce and spicy mustard and mayo.

1051
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 4: What about a grilled cheese, maybe with bacon, maybe without,

1052
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 4: depending on how you get down.

1053
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could do a grilled cheese a more basic

1054
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: Put butter or sometimes secretly mayonnaise and cook it over.

1055
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: Put mayonnaise on a grilled cheese, yes, wow, instead of

1056
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: putting the butter and grilling it. Okay, put mayonnaise.

1057
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 4: Okay. What about the McRib? What does the McRib fall

1058
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 4: in the hierarchy? Once a year, I'll do a McRib.

1059
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: Are we at that time? Have we passed it? And

1060
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 4: we're getting close? Are we We're getting close?

1061
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: Okay?

1062
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 4: Which brings us to great moments in sandwich history.

1063
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 13: I said, you supposed to offer me the extra McRib

1064
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 13: for a dollar when you buy the mcgrib meal.

1065
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna believe it.

1066
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 13: She looked me up and down and she said, we

1067
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 13: don't look like you need extra mcgrib excuse me, I

1068
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 13: throat punch said, I'm not turned down. So if you

1069
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 13: come to the McDonald's and you see a lady aam

1070
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 13: Charlene in there, tell a Carla sent you, and then

1071
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 13: you throw puncher puncher, and I don't give it. This

1072
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 13: is against my civil.

1073
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: Rats, great moments and sandwich history.

1074
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: I don't think we need to go any further than that.

1075
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: That's it. You can't get any better than that at all.

1076
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: And you know what, it's easy to judge that woman.

1077
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 4: I get it. I understand when you're expecting to get

1078
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 4: a bogo deal on a McRib sure, and you get

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Speaker 4: lip from the quote McDonald's worker, it's time to throw hands.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over

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Speaker 3: there with a very special in studio guests.

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Speaker 4: City County Council meets to know I and from time

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Speaker 4: to time, at least once each month, we touch base

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Speaker 4: with Michael Paul Hart from the City County Council, pH

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Speaker 4: representing District twenty. How are you, sir? Fantastic pleasure to

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Speaker 4: be back. Happy to talk to you guys, so correct

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Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong. But from the last time you

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Speaker 4: joined us in studio to now, you decided to officially

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Speaker 4: pull the trigger on saying I think Joe hawk Set

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Speaker 4: should resign. Other counselors have said this a while back.

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Speaker 4: You were a little late to the party. Why yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was a little late.

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Speaker 14: I was the fifth to come out and say it.

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Speaker 14: And you know, there was a whole other series of

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Speaker 14: reports that came out from the Indie Star and.

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Speaker 1: Mirror, and those guys do it. They really do a great.

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Speaker 14: Job on investigative journalism, and I'll give them credit where

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Speaker 14: credits due. But one of the things I spent a

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Speaker 14: lot of time on are these economic development projects in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 14: I sat on that committee for the last six years

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Speaker 14: and now I was reflecting on a lot of those projects.

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Speaker 14: And you can see now that you know how much

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Speaker 14: the taxpayers are out just on these projects. I mean

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Speaker 14: you're talking five million in demolition on the old jail,

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Speaker 14: eighteen million on the Gold Building, and it's impacting other

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Speaker 14: things that you know, are taking opportunities away from outside

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Speaker 14: of the Indianapolis area. So that I mean struck a

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Speaker 14: chord with me, and of course then all the you know,

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Speaker 14: the corroboration between Thomas Cook. Here we are again having

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Speaker 14: that conversation, and then it's it's the leadership staff who's

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Speaker 14: trusted to put you know, the right foot forward and

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Speaker 14: make these decisions, are doing what's in the best interest

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Speaker 14: for them. And that was something that you know, if

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Speaker 14: you combine the first report, HR gave the recommendation to

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Speaker 14: hog set fire Thomas Cook, don't promote Scarlett Andrews, and

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Speaker 14: those are the two people that were doing all that dirty,

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Speaker 14: dirty business.

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Speaker 1: And what did he do.

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Speaker 14: He didn't fire Cooker, well, he gave him, you know,

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Speaker 14: an extra extended time, and he promoted Andrews all the

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Speaker 14: way up to deputy mayor.

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Speaker 1: Eventually.

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Speaker 4: Was this before he brought back Thomas Carl Cook to

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Speaker 4: work on campaign.

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Speaker 1: This was this would have been around the same time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and yeah, we've talked a lot about the

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Speaker 4: sexual harassment and it's staggering how much stuff was taking

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Speaker 4: place and how the media in the city outside of

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Speaker 4: this show, in this radio station are just now kind

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Speaker 4: of jumping on the story. But go back to the jail,

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Speaker 4: Like you mentioned something a second ago. How much did

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Speaker 4: it cost to demolish the old jail and then the

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Speaker 4: new jail you build has less beds than the one

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Speaker 4: you just tore down.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so here was the problem is that you know,

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Speaker 14: many developed like we put out these requests for information

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Speaker 14: right or the city will to say, hey, we've got

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Speaker 14: this land, tell us what you think you can do

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Speaker 14: with it, and they'll have a bunch of developers and

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Speaker 14: they'll come, you know, give them their project scope. And

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Speaker 14: what happened in this case is there was you know,

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Speaker 14: we can do these ten things for this amount of money,

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Speaker 14: and that's what they accepted. And then you might have

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Speaker 14: other developers say we could probably only do like maybe

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Speaker 14: five or six things, you know, and still keep it

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Speaker 14: within budget. Well, the city went with the bigger project

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Speaker 14: and the bigger budget, and then ultimately those developers couldn't

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Speaker 14: show up. Well those were the Thomas Cook projects and

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Speaker 14: then so when they couldn't deliver, then the city had

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Speaker 14: to come in and we talked about that jail project,

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Speaker 14: you know, spend five million to knock it down.

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Speaker 1: And that's that was the story of.

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Speaker 14: You know, there was a couple developments like that where

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Speaker 14: they picked bigger over zealous projects that ultimately couldn't get done,

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Speaker 14: and then the city had to come in and then

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Speaker 14: use tax payer dollars to get those projects done.

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Speaker 4: How much poll did Thomas Carl Cook have in this city?

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Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous lot. It was a lot.

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Speaker 14: I mean it looked like he was really, you know,

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Speaker 14: making a lot of decisions on you know, hiring and firing.

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Speaker 14: The chief of staff generally does right, but I mean

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Speaker 14: he had a.

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Speaker 4: Lot, which is staggering considering this guy's background, and if

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Speaker 4: the reports are true from not only the Indie Star,

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Speaker 4: but Mirror Indie and people have reached out to us,

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Speaker 4: I mean, hawks had had to have known about the

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Speaker 4: allegations that were happening.

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Speaker 1: Certainly, and so where the question was why why'd you

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Speaker 1: a why why? To the party right? And to me,

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Speaker 1: it's that the ultimate judgment and decision making.

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Speaker 14: And when we look at, you know, all the issues

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Speaker 14: that are going on in Indianapolis, we look at the

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Speaker 14: crime that we're talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Morning, and you know, you blame bar owners.

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Speaker 14: You look at the homelessness all over the city right

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Speaker 14: whether it's downtown or in Fountain Square, and you're asking,

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Speaker 14: are you putting the best people in charge to make

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Speaker 14: these decisions. I have to question a lot of that.

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Speaker 14: Are you are you putting the right people in charge now?

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Speaker 14: The chief of police, absolutely, I trust Chris Bailey and

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Speaker 14: I think he's a great, great chief of police. But

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Speaker 14: you know, some of these other things I have to

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Speaker 14: start to question. And I look back now and really think, wow,

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Speaker 14: you know, and that's what you know between the sexual

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Speaker 14: you know, harassment allegations, between the current decision making process,

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Speaker 14: who's been in charge and all this stuff coming out,

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Speaker 14: you know, to me said, now that's it, that's that's

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Speaker 14: the strong.

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Speaker 3: And then what about the HR firm that came in

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Speaker 3: and started making all these suggestions on how to proceed

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Speaker 3: with the city's HR. What's the status there? I mean

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Speaker 3: that was like four hundred and fifty thousand dollars I

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Speaker 3: think to have them come in and make suggestions and

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Speaker 3: advised as to how to proceed with the HR policies

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Speaker 3: within the administration certainly.

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Speaker 14: So I was approached by Counselor Dan Boots. So Dan Boots,

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Speaker 14: and again I always get credit. I think Council Boots

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Speaker 14: is a great counselor. He's on the other side of

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Speaker 14: the house, but he works. He really works hard. Him

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Speaker 14: and I are working on about five different things right now.

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Speaker 14: And he came to me and he said, look, I'm

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Speaker 14: trying to pick up the pieces that was left behind

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Speaker 14: on this sexual Harassment Investigative Committee because that was an

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Speaker 14: ultimate failure by Christa Carlino. And so he approached me

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Speaker 14: and says, hey, Mike, I know you work. You know,

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Speaker 14: would you be interested in joining a working group. I'm

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Speaker 14: trying to put together what those recommendations are, you know,

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Speaker 14: looking reading on all that.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, what we did is we formed a.

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Speaker 14: Working group of about six counselors who actually work, and

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Speaker 14: we sent out about another thirty four questions to Fisher

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Speaker 14: Phillips things that just never got asked in the investigative committee.

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Speaker 14: They gave us back those answers, and then we went

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Speaker 14: and found industry experts, you know, Women Defense League, and

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Speaker 14: then some human resource experts, and then we brought in

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Speaker 14: the city to really we brought them in actually last

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Speaker 14: week to you know, show them the recommendations that were coming,

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Speaker 14: ask them what they're doing, and trying to put together

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Speaker 14: a broader solution for you know, it's not we can't

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Speaker 14: solve for everything right, right, We're going to try and

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Speaker 14: at least, you know, look at where the failures occurred

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Speaker 14: and then craft policy moving forward to make it to

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Speaker 14: where it's less likely for it to occur again in

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Speaker 14: the future.

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Speaker 4: Michael Paul Hart joining us here from the City County

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Speaker 4: Council District twenty got the big meeting coming up tonight.

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Speaker 4: You're part of the Committee on Safety in Downtown Indy,

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Speaker 4: which we've talked about in the past. It's a committee

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Speaker 4: that doesn't meet very often for some reason. It's a

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Speaker 4: committee who's chair wants to close debate about safety in

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Speaker 4: downtown Indy. It was another violent weekend. We had the

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Speaker 4: Chief of Police on earlier. You got a debate between

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Speaker 4: bar owners downtown and is that the patron's going in.

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Speaker 4: Have we heard from the leadership of the Safety committee

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Speaker 4: on the council.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we have not. You know, we're scheduled to

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Speaker 1: meet meet I believe as early as next week.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's standard business.

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Speaker 14: There's you know, no no new business has been added

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Speaker 14: to that, and those agendas are coming out today or

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Speaker 14: at least the introductions are coming out today. But it

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Speaker 14: looks it's standard up appointing people to committees and things

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Speaker 14: of that nature. There's no creative thought coming out of

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Speaker 14: our committee leader for public safety.

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Speaker 1: It's really how is he the leader?

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Speaker 4: Like how does this happen?

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Speaker 14: So the way I mean it's there's a this has

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Speaker 14: been joked about in the past, but it's a committee

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Speaker 14: called Committee on Committees. Right, there has to be a

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Speaker 14: group of people that select the chairman. And that's there's

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Speaker 14: three of them, the minority leader, the majority leader, and.

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Speaker 1: The President of the Council.

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Speaker 14: And you know internally the only the majority party gets

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Speaker 14: to select committee leaders. Sure, so we're you know, Republicans

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Speaker 14: aren't picking anything, right, we don't sit on it.

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Speaker 1: We don't lead any of the committees.

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Speaker 14: So it's between Maggie Lewis and Vopp and they're figuring out,

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Speaker 14: you know, who's paying dues, who's doing what, who's got

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Speaker 14: an expertise and X, Y and z, and then they're

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Speaker 14: ultimately making that decision on who that committee chair is.

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Speaker 1: And for public safety they chose Lero Robinson.

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Speaker 4: Can you file some sort of grievance with either one

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Speaker 4: of those, whether it's Maggie or Vop and say, listen,

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Speaker 4: I get I'm the minority over here. We have an

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Speaker 4: extreme minority on this council. But the leader that you

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Speaker 4: picked never wants to meet, never wants to do anything.

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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, there's some allegations against him too,

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Speaker 4: Like what would happen if you were to do that?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's I think the paper is more expensive than

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Speaker 14: the time it actually submitted.

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Speaker 4: To be ignored in the orders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 14: You know, the best thing we can do, I mean

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Speaker 14: is do what we're doing now, right, talk about it,

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Speaker 14: show these things, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, and name names.

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Speaker 14: I think that's important, absolutely, And I mean we're when

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Speaker 14: I'm clipping things, right, I mean, I use smart India

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Speaker 14: as my outlet for a lot of this stuff. But

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Speaker 14: you know, we're clipping these things. We're trying, like I'm

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Speaker 14: trying to bring speakers and people with new ideas to

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Speaker 14: the council and they're shutting it down. So we're putting

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Speaker 14: that on online, right, We're sharing that on social media,

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Speaker 14: and it's trying to get people, you know, we're trying

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Speaker 14: to get people involved to say like this is who

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Speaker 14: you're letting get elected. Like, think about that now, and

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Speaker 14: then what decisions you're going to make in twenty twenty seven?

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Speaker 4: Talk to me about the Washington Square Mall. For years,

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Speaker 4: we kept hearing about, you know, investors, they want to

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Speaker 4: revitalize this, they want to make it, you know, something positive,

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Speaker 4: different types of things, whether it's housing, whether it's different

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: places where people can shop. Doesn't seem like any of

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: that's worked.

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 14: No, no, no, no, it hasn't. Over the years. It's

1296
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 14: been so since twenty nineteen, it's been the same. It

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 14: hasn't changed a bit. Like a group has owned it,

1298
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 14: but they haven't invested any money. And when I ran

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01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 14: my campaign, that was the top issue is we got

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 14: to fix the mall. So for me, the whole thing's

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 14: got to be scraped. I mean it's got to be,

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 14: you know, just demolished.

1303
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: You've got a couple of.

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01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 14: Good buildings over there that are worth keeping. Like Target

1305
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 14: owns Target, so Target would absolutely.

1306
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: Want to stay.

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 14: And I've got a great relationship with them at the

1308
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 14: corporate level, and we've talked about these things.

1309
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: You've got AMC over there. It's a great movie theater.

1310
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 14: I'm giving my secret away, but it really is a

1311
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 14: good it really is a good movie theater. So there's

1312
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 14: a couple of assets still. But my plan is now

1313
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 14: that I've found out officially. I've actually gotten in contact

1314
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 14: with the guys who owned the mall. It's a company

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 14: called Dirget Properties, and I had a meeting with them

1316
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 14: a couple of weeks ago and I asked them, just,

1317
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 14: you know.

1318
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: Straight up is the mall? I said, what are you

1319
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: doing really?

1320
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 14: And they said, well, we don't have any plans on

1321
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 14: knocking it down or really rebuilding it. And I said, well,

1322
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 14: then is it for sale? And he looked at me

1323
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 14: and he said, everything's for sale. And I said, well no,

1324
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 14: I'm asking you very pointedly because if you tell me

1325
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 14: it's for sale, I'm going to go try and sell

1326
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 14: your mall. I'm going to go find people. I want

1327
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 14: to see if there's ways for us to get involved.

1328
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 14: We talked about all these projects downtown, right, all those

1329
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 14: things investments made. That's how I am phrasing this product.

1330
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 14: We have an opportunity.

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 4: It's a big piece of property and you're.

1332
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 14: And they're like it or out the blue lines going

1333
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 14: in over there, right, But it's going to come with

1334
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 14: all new road.

1335
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: And all new infrastructure.

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 14: It's going to be a nicer road, less lanes, but

1337
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 14: a nicer road. And it's a phenomenal piece of property.

1338
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 14: It's like forty seven an acres to where we've got

1339
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 14: to get it in the hands of and or There's

1340
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 14: a lot of different ways that we could go about this,

1341
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 14: but into either a group of people that's you know,

1342
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 14: a CDC, which is a community development corporation that want

1343
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 14: to be kind of that glue that brings it all together,

1344
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 14: a private development organization. But there are there are tools,

1345
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 14: and there are people that are certainly going to be interested.

1346
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 14: The biggest hurdle was really getting in contact with these people,

1347
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 14: and I was able to get that done.

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago.

1349
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 14: So now we're we're having real conversations and I'm out,

1350
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 14: you know, talking to everybody I know about trying to

1351
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 14: buy the mall.

1352
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: So if anybody's listening want to buy by the mall,

1353
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: I want.

1354
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 4: To say, like, what would be the future of that?

1355
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: Is it another shopping facility? Is it demolished and turned

1356
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 4: into something else? So you opened all ideas.

1357
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: All ideas.

1358
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 14: So I partnered with Ball State a few months ago

1359
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 14: and I went, They've got an urban school design urban

1360
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 14: planning school in Marion County, and I knocked on. I

1361
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 14: sent a random email, honestly, and I got a professor

1362
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 14: on the line and I said, hey, look, I've got

1363
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 14: this mall. Can you help me show what's been done

1364
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 14: in other areas and just you know, the what's more expensive?

1365
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: And she did.

1366
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 14: She went and she gave me about seven or eight

1367
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 14: different examples, put together this beautiful presentation that shows you know,

1368
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 14: if you want and I'm not suggesting this, but a

1369
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 14: logistics center, right, you could knock it down low cost,

1370
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 14: but you know, top of the chart is you know,

1371
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 14: mixed use. You're gonna have apartments, condos, townhouse, shopping centers,

1372
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 14: trails And that's that to me is what I'm out

1373
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 14: there pitching, is like, this is an opportunity to you know,

1374
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 14: rechange the dynamic of that side of town.

1375
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 4: How much?

1376
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: How much we're talking so they wouldn't give me a price.

1377
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 14: They wouldn't be the price, so they they want a

1378
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 14: price they offered made to them, which you could assume.

1379
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 4: For best offer. Is that what we're talking about for

1380
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 4: the Washington Square mall. Man, that's wild because I remember

1381
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: growing up man that was a hot spot. Nige. I

1382
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 4: think I bought my senior pictures photo where I look

1383
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: back to the front man of a color Me back

1384
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 4: cover band from the Washington Square Mall back in the day.

1385
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 4: What's coming up at the big council meeting tonight, Counsel,

1386
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 4: it's a there's.

1387
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: A lot of a year appropriations.

1388
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 14: So there's a couple of things that caught my eye,

1389
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 14: one of which, you know, I was really pushing on

1390
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 14: Merrors to tell me he needed more people because I

1391
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 14: was okay with that, because we seem to not be

1392
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 14: prosecuting enough people. So during the budget season, I was

1393
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 14: trying to get him to tell me, yes, we need

1394
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 14: more money, and I was fine with that. I was

1395
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 14: going to try and get some over there to hire

1396
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 14: more prosecutors. It looks like he's asking for another quarter

1397
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 14: million dollars for personnel. I don't know if that's for

1398
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 14: more people.

1399
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, didn't you say he wasn't going to

1400
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 4: ask for more money.

1401
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 14: He did, He did, And yeah, there's there's a lot

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 14: of that in this council introductions. A lot of collective

1403
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 14: bargaining agreements. Those are union agreements for the police fire

1404
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 14: those are getting paid up at the end of the year.

1405
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 14: The Economic Enhancements District is getting their money in this introduction.

1406
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 14: So they're five and a half million dollars going to

1407
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 14: the folks that you see downtown wearing the red shirts,

1408
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 14: the safety ambassadors, the folks doing the cleaning, the housing,

1409
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 14: the shelter program, all that that comes together, some of

1410
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 14: the funding comes together.

1411
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: I've got my urban forest.

1412
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 14: We're getting closer on that, so we've got some money

1413
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 14: moving around. We've got a dedicated fund that we're creating.

1414
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 14: Just moving a lot of money around at the end

1415
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 14: of the year, trying to get the accounts right and

1416
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 14: be prepared for twenty six.

1417
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 4: All right, look forward to the meeting. Tonight's good luck

1418
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 4: Counselor Michael Paul Hart, Thank you so much.

1419
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 5: Are you really okay?

1420
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 4: Are you alcome?

1421
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 12: Thanks?

1422
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,480
Speaker 4: Going to be okay?

1423
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 9: Are you okay?

1424
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine.

1425
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 8: I'm pretty freeing far from okay.

1426
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 4: Are you okay with this?

1427
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: On the Hammer and Nigel?

1428
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 9: How yeah?

1429
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,440
Speaker 3: This kind of depresses me. Hammer October saw the lowest

1430
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 3: box office receipts in twenty seven years, the movie Tron

1431
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 3: and the Smashing Machines starring The Rock We're all massive flops.

1432
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 3: Are you okay with this?

1433
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 9: Man?

1434
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm a wrestling guy, you guys know, I like

1435
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 4: the wrestling. Yeah, the Rock is box office poison. Like,

1436
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,480
Speaker 4: when you make him the main player in your movie,

1437
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 4: it's guaranteed to flop. I think he's had like one

1438
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 4: movie where he's been the star that's been any.

1439
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 3: Good, Jumanji. Maybe I don't know.

1440
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 4: For the most part, he's better off as a number

1441
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 4: two in a movie. Wow, this whole Smashing Machine movie

1442
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 4: was awful. The Tron movie was awful, and you can't

1443
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 4: just say that, well, we're tired of reboots. I mean,

1444
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 4: maybe Tron was, but Smashing Machine was an original movie.

1445
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: It's just an insane amount of crap coming out of

1446
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: Hollywood right now.

1447
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 3: Just real quick. Back to the Future, a movie that

1448
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 3: was made forty years ago, made it into the top

1449
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: five the box office placements this weekend because it had

1450
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 3: like a you know, re release right back to the

1451
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: Future forty years ago, correct five movie at the box office.

1452
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: It beat out the Bruce Springstate movie, which is tanking,

1453
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 3: by the way, because let's be honest, Springsteen's kind of boring.

1454
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 2: Now.

1455
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 4: I know, Rob Kendall somewhere is having his head spin

1456
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 4: around like beetlejuices, But the life story of Bruce Springsteen

1457
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 4: is okay, you know, underachieving dude makes good mumbles during music. Okay,

1458
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 4: I feel like I already know that about Bruce Springsteen

1459
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 4: from when I've gathered and I haven't seen the movie,

1460
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: but there's nothing new. You don't learn anything in this movie,

1461
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: and his story is not that exciting. So now you're

1462
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 4: more of a movie guy than I am. Why would

1463
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 4: you say that everything right now sucks? Is it the

1464
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 4: rise of streaming? Is it lack of original idea?

1465
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: Is the rise of streaming? Straight? It used to be

1466
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 3: straight to DVD meant something negative. Now straight to streaming,

1467
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: straight to Netflix, made for Netflix means something totally different,

1468
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's the key right there.

1469
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 4: We were excited for Happy Gilmore sequel, yeah, which was

1470
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 4: direct to Netflix absolutely more than any movie that's came

1471
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 4: out this year.

1472
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well except Mission Impossible some of the other stuff.

1473
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 3: But even then, I didn't go to see Mission Impossible

1474
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 3: at the box office. I waited until I was able

1475
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: to stream. It's a Hammery Nigel show. My name is Nigel,

1476
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: It's Jason hammer over there, Colts Lose on the Road

1477
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 3: to the Steelers twenty seven to twenty. I'm pretty confident

1478
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 3: in saying that it wasn't really even that close, would

1479
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 3: you agree, Hammer?

1480
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 4: Unfortunately that's the case, But let's defer to our expert here,

1481
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 4: Kevin Bowen, part of the morning show over at our

1482
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 4: sister sports station one O seven to five. The fan

1483
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 4: KB that final score says it was a one possession game,

1484
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 4: but boy, it didn't feel like it.

1485
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, and have six turnovers in the game,

1486
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 9: it definitely feels like it's probably a much bigger margin

1487
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,440
Speaker 9: than it is on the scoreboard.

1488
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 12: So really it all turned.

1489
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 9: I thought when TJ. Watt, you know, stripped Daniel Jones

1490
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 9: there early in the second quarter, I thought the Colts

1491
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 9: were well in their way to building another multi score

1492
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 9: first half lead and was kind of used to the

1493
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 9: same old, same old. But now here we are having

1494
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 9: a little bit of a different Monday conversation than we've

1495
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 9: had this year.

1496
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 4: So let's get into what went wrong. All season long.

1497
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 4: That Colt offense has been clicking. The offensive line was

1498
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 4: giving time to Daniel Jones. Yesterday, they were able to

1499
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 4: take Jonathan Taylor out of the game. Daniel Jones was

1500
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 4: making some bad decisions. That offensive line seemed like it

1501
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 4: was Swiss cheese.

1502
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: What happened?

1503
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the root of it is right there.

1504
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 9: It is the offensive line, which has been I would argue,

1505
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 9: one of the best units for the Colts this season.

1506
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 9: But you know, obviously the pass protection, I think it's

1507
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 9: pretty easy to see. And you know, I brought up

1508
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 9: that TJ. Watt the strip of Daniel Jones earlier. But

1509
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 9: I also think the inability to establish Johnson Taylor was

1510
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 9: a big, big problem. You know, I thought hurt a

1511
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 9: lot of Colts sayings, you know, hey, Shane Stige' is

1512
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 9: not establishing you know, Jonathan Taylor enough. And you know,

1513
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 9: I felt like it's kind of typical Shane's m O

1514
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 9: this season. He is very, very adopting of his own

1515
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 9: philosophy if he will of throw to score, run to win,

1516
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 9: and when they did run Taylor in that first half,

1517
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 9: very ineffective. His longest game I think was six yards.

1518
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 9: He had eight carries in the first half. In the

1519
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 9: third quarter, they gave it to him six times, which

1520
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 9: is a good amount for a single quarter, and his

1521
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 9: long carry then was just nine yards. And you know,

1522
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 9: by that point the score had kind of gotten out

1523
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 9: of hand and you had to throw it to get

1524
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 9: back in the game. So you know, when I say

1525
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 9: poor offensive line. To me, it's both those things. It

1526
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 9: is the inability to you know, control the line of

1527
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 9: strip mitche to establish your best player in Jonathan Taylor,

1528
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 9: but then also holding up in pass protection with some

1529
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 9: really critical critical issues there. So yeah, easily the worst

1530
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 9: offensive line game of the season.

1531
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 3: One big name sports commentation who shall remain nameless, kind

1532
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 3: of encapsulated the irrational passionate Colts fan in me when

1533
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 3: he wrote these words across the Colts off the super

1534
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 3: Bowl contender list puke City. Daniel Jones just bleeped us, all,

1535
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 3: are we tuck me off a leg? We're not there yet,

1536
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 3: are we. That's just that's the irrational Colts fan in

1537
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 3: this person's take. And I honestly I was watching that too,

1538
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 3: and I was thinking, Okay, this isn't for real.

1539
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I like to think that, you know, nine games

1540
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 9: into a season, a seven to one start probably earns

1541
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 9: you a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. Yeah,

1542
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 9: you know, honestly, this conversation could just blow down to

1543
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 9: me saying, yeah, the cult had six turnovers, and then

1544
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 9: I was hanging up and talking again next Monday, Like

1545
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 9: you know, so much of it is just rooted in that.

1546
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys remember.

1547
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,919
Speaker 9: This game, but the last time they had six turnovers

1548
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 9: in a game was eighteen years ago when Peyton Manning

1549
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 9: threw six interceptions on Sunday Football against the Chargers, and

1550
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 9: yet they still almost won that game after the Terry

1551
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 9: missed the twenty nine yard field goal for the win

1552
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 9: late in that game. So that's how long it has been. Now,

1553
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 9: I will say this, you know, when you start to

1554
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 9: look at the playoff caliber teams the Colts have faced

1555
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 9: the season, I would call Denver that I call both

1556
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 9: the Rams and the Chargers that I called Pittsburgh that

1557
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 9: you know, all four of those games, you know, you

1558
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 9: combine it all the Colts are two and two. In

1559
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 9: those games, I'd say Rams and Broncos are kind of

1560
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 9: a coin flip. Chargers the Colts kind of controlled, and

1561
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 9: yesterday I'd say Pittsburgh kind of controlled. But I think

1562
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 9: there is a little bit of all, right, when a

1563
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 9: team is able to slow down Taylor and then was

1564
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 9: able to get after Daniel Jones a bit and you

1565
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 9: put a little extra on his plate and the opposing

1566
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 9: quarterback largely protects the football. You know, those types of teams,

1567
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 9: it becomes a bit of a coin flip type of game,

1568
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 9: and these are more of the teams I think you're

1569
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 9: going to start.

1570
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: To see in the second half of the season.

1571
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 9: They'll go to a Germany next week and take on

1572
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 9: the Falcons. But then after that, you're at Kansas City,

1573
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 9: You're at Jacksonville, You're at Seattle. Those are three of

1574
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 9: your four games after your bye week. So I do

1575
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 9: think this type of competition and playing away from home

1576
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 9: is something the team will see a lot more of.

1577
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: Chatting with Kevin Bowen from one O seven to five

1578
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 4: to fan here, Daniel Jones yesterday, all right, he was

1579
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 4: under duress, the line was bad. But for the first

1580
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 4: time since he's put the horseshoe on. That was the

1581
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones that we kept hearing about in the offseason, right,

1582
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 4: That was the New York Giants Daniel Jones yesterday, was

1583
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: it not?

1584
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's some of that, certainly with that interception. Now,

1585
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 9: I'll go back to what I said earlier. I do

1586
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 9: think so much of it was rooted in the offensive

1587
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 9: line play.

1588
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: But again, a little.

1589
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 9: Bit of the question exiting New York was if you

1590
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 9: pressure him, you know, he's a guy that will wilt

1591
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 9: under the pressure. Now to the first eight games, he's

1592
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 9: been the opposite. He's actually feasted when teams have really

1593
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 9: pressured him. So, you know, this is a little bit

1594
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 9: of a look in the mayor week for him. I

1595
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 9: would say probably, you know, the rockiest game for him

1596
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 9: individually this season. You know, how does he respond to that?

1597
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 9: Is there as you get deeper into the season, is

1598
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 9: there more of a blueprint of like, all right, now

1599
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 9: you've seen kind of eight games against the Colts, this

1600
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 9: is what they do, this is what they're trying to emphasize.

1601
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 9: I thought Pittsburgh did a really nice job of kind

1602
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 9: of taking away his first and second reads, and then

1603
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 9: as he tried to make his way through those progressions,

1604
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 9: either he panicked a bit or the offensive line just

1605
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 9: wasn't able to hold up through that. So it was

1606
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 9: all part of the NFL grind. But yeah, I think

1607
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 9: there are some of the Daniel Jones whatever, seeing ghost,

1608
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 9: you know, poor ball security in the pocket. Those things

1609
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 9: were very prevalent yesterday.

1610
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 3: The attitude for a team after a game like that,

1611
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 3: after so many mistakes is and should be well, just

1612
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: got to forget about it and move on, forget about it,

1613
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: move on, forget about it, move on. I feel like

1614
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: sometimes it's pretty easy to say that now you probably

1615
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: shouldn't forget about it. You should probably go back and

1616
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: see what the hell happened and then make adjustments and

1617
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 3: then move on to Berlin. But I'm I've never been

1618
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: one for saying it, I'm just gonna forget about it.

1619
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: What about you?

1620
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I'm definitely with denied. You. You have to

1621
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 9: fully acknowledge and dissect that tape and self, you know,

1622
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 9: evaluate your your own self, you know, to make sure

1623
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 9: that doesn't happen again, and that isn't something that's going

1624
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 9: to become a repetitive thing. And you know, that's the

1625
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 9: beauty of the seven to one start. It's that one

1626
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 9: game doesn't define you. I mean this cold season, and

1627
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 9: I say that in a negative light. I mean, if

1628
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 9: you are able to make sure that that is the fluke,

1629
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 9: then obviously you're still going to be in a great position.

1630
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 9: But you know, this whole league will be watching that

1631
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 9: Pittsburgh film very intently because it's not like this Pittsford

1632
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 9: defense is a bunch of world beaters. Throughout the first

1633
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 9: two months of the season. They had many issues and

1634
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 9: questions entering Sunday there, and you know, this is a

1635
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 9: conversation I think we talked about last week. Guys. This

1636
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 9: is more of the norm the rest of the way,

1637
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 9: games away from home, better competition, and you know, for

1638
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 9: the most part, there are some you know, solid quarterbacks

1639
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 9: that say Aaron Rodgers had some banner day, but you know,

1640
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 9: when you're facing Rogers or Stafford or you know, go

1641
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 9: back to Justin Herbert again, those guys largely either can

1642
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 9: a make plays or by they protect a football. So

1643
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 9: maybe you don't, you know, win the turnover margin to

1644
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 9: the level that you have won eight grand of the

1645
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 9: Colts had so much of their self inflicted stuff from.

1646
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 4: Yesterday, KB, Let's pivot to the Pacers and look, with

1647
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 4: the injuries that are taking place, I don't think anybody

1648
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 4: expects much out of this team. But I want to

1649
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 4: talk about tonight for a second, because boy, I'm anticipating

1650
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 4: a very interesting response when Miles Turner gets introduced to

1651
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 4: that PACER's crowd for the first time as a member

1652
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 4: of the Milwaukee Bucks, because boy, he just went kind

1653
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 4: of scorched earth on the Pacers since his departure, which

1654
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. KB. This kind of goes

1655
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 4: along with the trend. Paul George did it, Depot did it.

1656
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 4: And now Paul George crapping all over the organization. I'm sorry,

1657
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 4: Miles Turner crapping all over the organization on his way

1658
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 4: out the door. What can we expect tonight?

1659
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 9: Well, seven o five, be in your seats and you'll

1660
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 9: get about a minute long tribute video and I'll be

1661
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 9: very curious to see the response. I think you'll get

1662
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 9: more booze than maybe you would have gotten two or

1663
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 9: three months ago. Again, based off just kind of what

1664
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 9: he has said. Now, you know, at the shoot around

1665
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 9: this morning for the Bucks, he did try to clarify

1666
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 9: some of those statements, and basically he labeled it that

1667
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 9: the rug was pulled out from under him. He is

1668
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 9: speaking specifically to the Pacers' front office and ownership. I think,

1669
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 9: to try to succinctly put it, basically, I think he

1670
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 9: thought he was going to return. He thought he was

1671
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 9: going to get a very healthy contract from the Pacers,

1672
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 9: And when Tyree Taliburton tore his achilles, all of a sudden,

1673
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 9: the Pacers said, all right, our willingness to give him

1674
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 9: a bigger deal and dip into the luxury tax is

1675
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 9: not there. As all of this unfolded, the Milwaukee came

1676
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 9: in and they offered a contract. If you believe the numbers,

1677
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 9: four years, one hundred and eight million versus the Pacers

1678
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 9: three years sixty six million, that is a huge difference.

1679
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 9: And so that is how it unfolded, and he felt

1680
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 9: whatever loved, you know, more celebrated. However you want to

1681
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 9: put it by the Milwaukee front office versus the Pacers'

1682
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 9: front office, and if you go by the numbers, yes,

1683
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 9: that's there. He doesn't owe the Pacers anything frankly to

1684
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 9: return there. He felt like his comments have been a

1685
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 9: bit misconstrued. I actually thought he clarified things, you know

1686
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 9: pretty well and basically summarized it as there is zero

1687
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 9: ill will against the fan base here. But he felt

1688
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 9: like ownership in the front office again whatever misled him.

1689
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 9: I think it's probably a fair word to use.

1690
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 4: But Denny, I say something about have a Burton being

1691
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 4: like a fake tough guy or something like that.

1692
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, I listened to the full interview. I think I

1693
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 9: was just kind of a bit of a snippet there

1694
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 9: that was that was pulled out. I think there was

1695
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 9: a ton of praise around Haliburton for that and was

1696
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 9: more of just like, this is a really you know,

1697
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 9: nice dude that if you see him in an alley

1698
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 9: per se, there's some March Sanchez joking there, but Caliburn

1699
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 9: is going to be you know, fighting guys or you know,

1700
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 9: maybe talking as much as he does on the course.

1701
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 9: So look, fans, by all means boo and I probably

1702
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 9: would boo him too. That's the beauty of being a fan.

1703
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 9: You know, we are so passionate.

1704
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 3: About our own and all of that.

1705
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, I'll probably look

1706
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 9: back on the Turner career when it's all said and

1707
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 9: done and say, you know what, nice player. Wasn't a diva,

1708
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 9: you know, gave an organization ten pretty good years, wasn't

1709
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 9: probably isn't as good of a player as he thinks

1710
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 9: he is, and that's why he was in trade rumors

1711
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 9: and that's why he didn't get some mega hundred million

1712
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 9: dollar deal. But you know what, Turner's block was great,

1713
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 9: and it's pretty rare to be a ten year starter

1714
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 9: pretty much anywhere in today's NBA. But for tonight, by

1715
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 9: all means, let the venom out and create a little

1716
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 9: bit of a unique atmosphere inside of an NBA arena

1717
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 9: on a Monday night.

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01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 4: It's a couple acts left here KB because we're running

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01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 4: a little bit behind. But how has he been with

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01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 4: Milwaukee so far living up to the contract?

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01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, a little bit of a struggle, to be honest

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01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 9: with you, No, has not lived up for the contract

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01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 9: is by the fairest way to say that has not

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01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 9: shot it well, So I'll be really interested. You know,

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01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 9: Miles Turner embracing the villain role is not something I

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01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 9: think suits him. So how he plays tonight I think

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01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 9: will be fascinating and frankly, the Pacers need another win.

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01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 4: What's coming up on your show tomorrow, Rick Carlile.

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01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 9: At eight, so we will chat with him about everything

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01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 9: that happens tonight inside a Gamebridgehew thousand. We'll actually have

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 9: Malaney Low, Colts, director of Football Ops on our show

1732
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 9: at nine. It is a whole lot to go through

1733
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 9: to send a team to Germany to play in the NFL.

1734
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 9: So the Colts will fly out Thursday night, so we'll

1735
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 9: get a little bit behind the scenes of what it's

1736
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 9: like to travel an NFL team across.

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01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 4: The pond one O seven five the fan that's Kevin Bowen,

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01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 4: part of the morning show KB, thank.

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01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 9: You, you bet, thank you?

1740
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 4: Ready for a little moonshine.

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01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 3: And nine nine left back there left because you were

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01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 3: gone last Monday, you, me and Guy Ralford had some

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01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: more that our friend dropped off, a Halloween edition, if

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01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 3: you will. I think it was like pumpkin Spy, was

1745
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 3: good pumpkin spice. So I'm curious as to what we

1746
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 3: had back there waiting for us this.

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01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Time moonshine Monday next to sample.

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01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, moonshine Monday here on the Hammer of Nigel show.

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01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 3: You missed it last week when Guy Relford was filling

1750
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: in we had it was again we have a super

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01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 3: fan that drops these jars of moonshine off. This isn't

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01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 3: store bought. No, this isn't legal, no, not at all.

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01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 3: This is bootlegging actually, but last week its official title.

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01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: Last week it was like a really delicious pumpkin spice. Okay,

1755
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 3: but but it wasn't labeled. The last match he gave

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01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 3: us was labeled. I don't know what this is. This

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01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: one labeled that we're about.

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01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 4: To try here, but I'm pretty confident this is the

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01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 4: uh Reese's Peanut butter Cup version. Okay, Because when I

1760
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 4: spoke to super Fan again, I don't want to give

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01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 4: his name away. I don't want him to get in trouble.

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01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 4: He said that this would be one of the flavors

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01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 4: we would be getting. So I feel like this is

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01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 4: that Reese's Peanut butter Cup flavored shine.

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01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 3: Okay? Cool? And why because it's a very dark color.

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01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 3: It looks like almost chocolate milk.

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01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 4: Smell it a little bit, smell it.

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01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here, cheers here, cheers Moonshine Monday.

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01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 9: Here.

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01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 4: Oh that's good.

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01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 3: That's Reese.

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01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 3: And you taste it more after it goes down. Yeah, yeah,

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01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 3: it takes it a second.

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 4: I want some more, now, fill it up against pour

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01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 4: me some more. Man Poo poo boy, super Fan.

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01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 3: The thing about this is it's it's like it's sweet,

1778
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 3: but it's got that moonshine kick to it, right, like

1779
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like.

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01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 4: You don't think it's as strong as it is. And

1781
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 4: then after about five more drinks, you don't have your

1782
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 4: pants on anymore. This is really good. Thank you to

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01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 4: the super fan. It is a Moonshine Monday, and we

1784
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 4: are coming back for one more hour here on the

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01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 4: Hammer and Nigel Show. Cheers everybody.

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01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 3: When we used to cheap, we live the moon shot

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01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Shin