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So I just I threw 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: it in that way so that way I'm not offending anyone. 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: But everybody knows that I would probably say something that 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: would offend someone, but I didn't say it. And that 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: kids is called theater of the mind. Remember, often it 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: is not what is said that is the thing that 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: is most shocking. It is the thing that you are 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: left to your imagination to think. We said that's the 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: most shocking, because you can come up with stuff far 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: more weird than me. Oh oh, I could come up 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: with a good zing. What you come up with is 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: downright disgusting. And you should see a therapist. You know it, 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: I know it, we both know it. We don't have 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: to discuss it anymore. Elizabeth Warren is in New York 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: campaigning for Zoronmumdanni, the socialist who would be mayor. And 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: when I say campaigning for, she thinks that he's the 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,279 Speaker 1: future of the party. 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: Progressive socials. 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: What the party should look like? 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: You try to party move. 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: You bet, you bet? This is what the party should 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: look like. The party should look like a communist Islamist. 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: He's a Red Green alliance all to himself. The party 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: should look like somebody who wants to defund the police, 52 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: tax white people more. And thinks that the city can 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: run grocery stores because all the other things the city 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: does it does with such a plumb. The city is 55 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: so well run. Why not be in charge of how 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: people get fed? Got it perfect? But the story here 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: is that of Elizabeth Warren. Now, Elizabeth Warren has always 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: been bad when it comes to her political points of view. 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: She has always certainly been a progressive. She is really 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: no different than Bernie Sanders. Remember she is the one 61 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: who brought you the CFPB, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Right, 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: this absolutely horrific organization that should be defunded and should 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: be taken out because it's purpose. Its purpose is to 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: find a way to take money from your pocket and 65 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: put it into their pocket. That's what it does. No 66 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: one is better off, no one is safer. It decides 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: that some people are at fault or in error, and 68 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: the answer is, well, give us money. No no, we 69 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: just decide no, no, no, We're not constitutionally prescribed or 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: anything like that. He just decides to create an agency 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: to go after you. Her hatred of small business, her 72 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: hatred of capitalism, is clear and obvious. That is most 73 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: seen in this conversation she's having on CNBC. I want 74 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: you to to experience this. I will break it up 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: like I will interject, but I want you to hear 76 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: how she says it. There are two things, what is 77 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: said and then how it is said. Just like the 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: thing that is said is sometimes not as strong or 79 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: as powerful as a thing that is implied or the 80 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: thing that is unsaid, and the person is the the 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: listener is left to fill in with their own imagination 82 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: that can be much more powerful. Not what in that 83 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: case what is left out, but in this case, not 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: what is said, but also how it is said, let's 85 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: start here. 86 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: You mentioned mom Donnie, and you are in New York, 87 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: sort of talking speaking in behalf of him to a 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: certain extent, you know, I wonder though often we see this, 89 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: and this is a local election, New York does not 90 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: operate in a vacuum. It competes with other cities. And 91 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: so this idea of somehow raising taxes on the wealthiest 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: New Yorkers, who, by the way, I would point out, 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: pay roughly fifteen percent of their income right now between 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: city and state. Raising taxes on them will simply drive 95 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: them away. Shouldn't the focus of a mayor be on 96 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: delivering services to the constituents of the city, and doing 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: that by raising the most revenue as possible without chasing 98 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: businesses and the high income. 99 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: Taxpayers out of the city. 100 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: Because they can go to Austin, they can go to Dallas, 101 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: they can go to Atlanta, they can go to Nashville. 102 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: This is your issue. 103 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: It's a national issue, not a local issue. 104 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Now, does anybody, regardless of their political or economic acumen, 105 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: doubt this reality that if you charge me more to 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: live in a place, I am less likely to live 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: there or stay there. Now, it is true that Not 108 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: everybody will leave. People have reasons for staying. I have 109 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: a longtime business partner who lives in the northern part 110 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: of California, the San Fernando Valley, northern part of Los Angeles, 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: I should say, not the northern part of California, northern 112 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: part of Los Angeles, in the San Fernando Valley, not leaving. 113 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: I have yelled at him, I have called him names, 114 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: I have said things insultingly about his cousins. I don't 115 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: know his cousins. I can't believe it, can't believe you're staying. 116 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: But he has family reasons to remain. Right, there's always 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: someone who's going to stay. But as a matter of 118 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: just a general principle, if you charge me too much, 119 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: I can't exist in it anymore, especially when I can 120 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: exist elsewhere. Right. If there are no other options, then 121 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm stuck. If there are other options, then you must 122 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: be competitive. This is such a standard thought to the capitalist, 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: to the rational mind. I didn't say a single thing 124 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: political in that if you have options, if you have choices, 125 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: you may make those other choices based on cost, and 126 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: the more expensive option one is maybe the more attractive 127 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: option two is that's not crazy, Elizabeth Warren, Oh, hold 128 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: on to your hats. 129 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: The issue is affordability. Do you know how many working 130 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: families are chased out of New York City every day 131 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: because they can't afford housing, they can't afford groceries, they 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: can't afford childcare. 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: What Zorn is saying is. 134 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: I want people to be able to afford to live 135 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: in New York City. That's what keeps a vibrant city, 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: that's what makes people want to live. 137 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: Nobody disagrees with that, senator, But raising taxes in order 138 00:07:59,200 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: to do it? 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Why is that answer? 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh dear, are you worried that billionaires are going to 141 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: go hungry? 142 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: And there it is. The rational argument is you're raising 143 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: taxes on these people. You're going after these people. They 144 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: won't stick around. And the response from Senator Elizabeth Warren 145 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: is one of mocking, one of shaming, one of attacking, 146 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: one of attempting the concept of emasculation. Listen to how 147 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: she responds. 148 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: People to be able to afford to live in New 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: York City, that's what keeps it a vibrant city, that's 150 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: what makes people want to leave. 151 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: Nobody disagrees with that senator, but raising taxes in order 152 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: to do it. 153 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Why is that the answer? 154 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: Oh dear, are you worried that billionaires are going to 155 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: go hungry? 156 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: No, I'm worried that they're going to leave and spend 157 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: their money elsewhere. 158 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, they've. 159 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: Threatened to do that over and over, and now they have. 160 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: They left. Here's and Goldman Sachs. When they create new jobs, 161 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: they do it in Dallas. Blackstone won't build a new headquarter. 162 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: That's pointing to the data. Here's what your high tax 163 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: policies have wrought. And what about the fact that the 164 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: taxes are already incredibly high, the services are not incredibly great. 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: Maybe there is a problem with these leftists they keep electing. 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: What does Senator Elizabeth Warren say? Boohoo, she's trying to 167 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: do her very best impression of the sopranos. Oh boy, 168 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: you she hates you. You know that right. Elizabeth Warren hates 169 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: the fact that you think you should be allowed to 170 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: keep your money. She loves the fact that she's going 171 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: to tax you more, and she thinks it's just glorious 172 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: that you would complain, because you shouldn't have a right 173 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: to complain. Now, what you're going to say to me 174 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: is Tony, I'm not a billionaire millionaire. I'm not even 175 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a millionaire, So what does it matter to me? It 176 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: matters to you because it is a philosophy. Margaret Thatcher, 177 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: the former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, explained, the 178 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of 179 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: other people's money. This is the fact to keep in 180 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: your head at all times. In order for the socialist 181 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: day communists Elizabeth Warren to function, Bernie Sanders to function, 182 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Zoronmum Donnie to function, in order for Tim Walls in 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: Minnesota to function, Gaven Newsom, et cetera, they must have 184 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: access to your cash if as is being pointed out 185 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: by CNBC. Right there, that's David Faber asking the questions. 186 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: He's one of the original hosts of Squawkbox, which is 187 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: their morning show. You already have people leaving, You already 188 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: have headquarters not being built in New York because they 189 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: can't afford to build in New York. To which you 190 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: note that Elizabeth Warren, the Cenator from Massachusetts, dismisses that idea. 191 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: Why because facts and reality get in the way of 192 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: the socialist and ake communist fantasy. The fact is the enemy, 193 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: the feeling, the idea is what matters, and the answer 194 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: is let them leave, we'll tax more. But this is 195 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: the point, this is why it affects you, even if 196 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: you're not a billionaire nor a millionaire, because eventually, as 197 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher said, you run out of people's u you 198 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: run out of other people's money, and the billionaires leave. 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: The millionaires are next, because what they're not going to 200 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: change their ideology, their philosophy, They're not going to leave 201 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: the cult. Simply, the issue is you're not paying enough, millionaire, 202 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and then the millionaire leaves, and the person who makes 203 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand a year they're not paying enough, and 204 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: eventually the person who makes thirty four six hundred dollars 205 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: a year is not paying enough. They never learn, They 206 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: only know how to take. She is confronted with the 207 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: reality that people are indeed leaving and businesses are not 208 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: growing in the city, and her answer is more taxes. 209 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh poor you, who cares about you? Just give me 210 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: your money, Bernie please, Oh no, no, there's no money. 211 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: Whey boy. That's actually audio of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie 212 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Sanders and Acassia Cortez, Jasmine Crockett Ayana Presley. She did 213 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: to leave Ilano, mar Chris van Holland, Dick Derman. Oh god, 214 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: I just got winded. Who who? I should have just 215 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: said Democratic Party and moved on with the day. Confronted 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: with reality. They do not stop. Elizabeth Warren is never 217 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: going to stop, and which is why we have to 218 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: keep winning elections because people like her can never ever 219 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: ever be allowed power. Elizabeth Warren gets power again, you 220 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: are going to pay for it. No, no, literally, you're 221 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: going to pay. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today,