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Speaker 1: What is your problem? I've got a lot of problems.

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Speaker 1: When you'll put Houston, we have a problem with.

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Speaker 2: What's your problem?

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Speaker 1: I've got ninety nine problems on ninety three double YPC.

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Speaker 2: It is time for group therapy. What's your problem?

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Speaker 1: Jim?

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Speaker 2: You got an issue?

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Speaker 1: I do well. You brought this story and I don't

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Speaker 1: have all the details on it. But this woman in

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Speaker 1: the military leaking classified information? Can we please just stop

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Speaker 1: leaking classified information, especially members of our military? What's the

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Speaker 1: deal with this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whistleblowing has its place, but when it comes acrossing

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Speaker 2: the line into revealing sensitive national defense tactics, it's not patriotism.

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Speaker 2: It's jeopardizing national security. I also have a problem with

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Speaker 2: this for many reasons. I've got a problem with the

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Speaker 2: woman who did it. I have a problem that there's

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Speaker 2: more than one leaker. You probably have a problem with

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Speaker 2: this because when I say leaker, you're probably thinking about

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Speaker 2: the leak about the airmen. This is a totally different leaker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second, because that's

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Speaker 1: a different spin on all this.

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Speaker 2: So, this is a forty year old US Army veteran

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Speaker 2: named Courtney Williams, and she was arrested and charged with

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Speaker 2: illegally leaking classified military information to a journalist. Sounds familiar, right,

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Speaker 2: totally different story. Prosecutors say that she provided classified national

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Speaker 2: defense details with about an elite commando unit, Delta Force,

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Speaker 2: to a reporter, including tactics and procedures, and that is

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Speaker 2: what you cannot do.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: This all started because this reporter was writing a book

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Speaker 2: about trying to expose alleged issues within the unit, sexual

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Speaker 2: harassment issues. But this woman, Courtney Williams, went way beyond

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Speaker 2: just whistleblowing about sexual harassment and was giving up tactics

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Speaker 2: and procedures and resources.

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Speaker 1: For something ultra secretive like Delta Force. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot going on here.

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Speaker 2: Like one hundred and eighty text messages, ten plus hours

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Speaker 2: of phone calls, multiple batches of classified documents were given

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Speaker 2: to the journalist for publication classified documents. Just because your

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Speaker 2: nosy doesn't mean you have the right to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, if there are there are claims that

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Speaker 1: sexual harassment taking place at the base and within the military,

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Speaker 1: and those absolutely should be investigated. Yes, go ahead and

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Speaker 1: investigate those in the proper channels. But just because that

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Speaker 1: may or may not be happening does not give you

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Speaker 1: the right to leak classified information to a journalist. And

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're you know, looks like this woman

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Speaker 1: is going to be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is she's being charged with the espionage

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Speaker 2: jack that is a by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, espionage potentially punishable up to death. So that's a

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Speaker 1: very very serious charge. But the other part to the

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Speaker 1: story that I find very interesting is obviously we had

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Speaker 1: the downed airmen in Iraq, and that was Iran, Thank

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Speaker 1: you keep doing that, and that was a great rescue

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Speaker 1: story and wonderful. And then Donald Trump spent a couple

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Speaker 1: of days talking about how, hey, you know what, there

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Speaker 1: was a journalist that had leaked information that talked about

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Speaker 1: how that this person was down. We didn't want that

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Speaker 1: information to get out. We wanted to rescue them before

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Speaker 1: the public and before Iran knew about it. And we're

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Speaker 1: going to find out who that leaker is and we're

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Speaker 1: going to punish them. And then within twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon comes out and says, hey, we are charging

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Speaker 1: a leaker. Now, what's gonna happen is I'd say probably

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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the public is going to assume that

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Speaker 1: they found the leaker as it relates to that downed

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Speaker 1: airmen in Iran. It has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Now do you think the Pentagon is going to correct

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Speaker 1: that and point out Oh no, no, no, it has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with Iran. No, no, no, They'll let the

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Speaker 1: public continue just.

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Speaker 2: Assuming that, Yeah, that's the leaker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can believe that this had to do with

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Speaker 1: that downed airmen in Iran, but it actually had absolutely

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. It was a totally different

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Speaker 1: subject altogether.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this woman, she previously worked at Fort Bragg,

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Speaker 2: She held a top secret security clearance, and she signed

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Speaker 2: a non disclosure agreement during her service, and so she

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Speaker 2: agreed to protect secrets and then just completely went back

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Speaker 2: on her word. The Justice Department and the FBI said

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Speaker 2: that the leak put the nation, war fighters and allies

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Speaker 2: at risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, whistle blowing is one thing, and if

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Speaker 1: it has its place in time, absolutely just across the line.

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Speaker 1: And if there are sexual harassment claims at Fort Bragg

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Speaker 1: and those are serious, absolutely, let's investigate those through the

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Speaker 1: proper channels. But it does not give you the right

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Speaker 1: to leak classified information about operations and tactics with inside

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Speaker 1: Delta Force just absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, leaks of classified info. This is not a free

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Speaker 2: speech issue, especially if you sign a non disclosure agreement

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Speaker 2: and you agree to protect secrets. You do that, otherwise

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Speaker 2: you're risk troops lives and you're not just writing a book. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So good thing that this woman is being charged with

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Speaker 1: espionage and being prosecuted and held it accountable for leaking

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Speaker 1: this classified information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety

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Speaker 2: three WIBC