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Speaker 1: of ESPN dot com. Steven I thought that was the

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Speaker 1: I look at it this way, Steven, and I want

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Speaker 3: And to what would you attribute it? If that was

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Speaker 1: Steven Holders my guest a ESPN dot com where you

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Speaker 1: can read his work. Steven, what are your Christmas plans?

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Speaker 1: You know, when you were a kid, what is the

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh my gosh, like I'm asked Santa for it.

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Speaker 1: What is the one thing more than anything else that

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Speaker 3: Chris for a Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I would say two different years, I would

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Speaker 3: Did did you get the bike? And the G I Joe?

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Speaker 3: Did Santa deliver?

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Speaker 2: I did? These were separate years, but Santa was good

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Speaker 1: So what we know is Santa was not a twenty

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Speaker 2: Right well, although I could argue that they were actually

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the thing we know for sure that he

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Steven, here we go, Santa's flying around right now, right, and.

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Speaker 1: Now Australia is ahead of us, right, so he's got

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Speaker 1: to deliver what truly, But I'm Santa. So, little boys

434
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Speaker 1: and girls, I know if you're lying, I know if

435
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: you're naughty, I know if you're nice. So if you

436
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: tell me something and you're lying, I'm going to know it.

437
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: So you got to be completely transparent. It's like a

438
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: spell of transparency he puts on these people. But he's

439
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: going to stop by the house of a couple of

440
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Speaker 1: people and once they're over there, shock, He's going to

441
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Speaker 1: ask him, what is it in regards to your profession

442
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: that you need me to deliver for you? Down the chimney,

443
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: we will begin with Chris Ballard. What does Chris Ballard

444
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Speaker 1: ask him to.

445
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: Deliver man health for his team health? Okay, because he's

446
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: egned a lot of players for a lot of money

447
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 2: and a lot of them didn't play.

448
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: Now, the other thing, too, is Santa as jolly and

449
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: as wonderful as Santa is, and he has the ability

450
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Speaker 1: to bring you a BMX bike in the middle of Florida.

451
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: Santa's wonderful and he's a miracle ripper. But Santa also,

452
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Speaker 1: unbeknownst to many people, Santa does have one nitpick rule

453
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Speaker 1: where when he talks to people that know one another,

454
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Speaker 1: they can't ask for the same thing. He can only

455
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Speaker 1: deliver it to one per person.

456
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Speaker 2: Right.

457
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Speaker 1: So therefore, he goes to Shane Steichen's house and he says,

458
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Speaker 1: Shane Stiken, what would you like? What does Shane Styken say?

459
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Speaker 2: Hm? Uh a franchise quarterback. And I don't know if

460
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Speaker 2: they have that guy or not, but he wants a

461
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. Okay, so you can sure of get to

462
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: five hundred with any old quarterback, but that's not the goal.

463
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Speaker 3: Uh, Carl Orsea Gordon.

464
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Speaker 2: Hm a new team? No, that's a good question. I

465
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Speaker 2: don't know. I think she I think she just wants

466
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Speaker 2: I think she wants wins. She asked for wins, that's

467
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: what because she's she's a competitor, and I think ultimately

468
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: that is going to have to guide her and so

469
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: she and Santa will have to pow wow and figure

470
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Speaker 2: out how to how to get that done.

471
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Speaker 3: I think, okay, what about this?

472
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Speaker 1: Santa says, I can deliver you the wins, young Carly,

473
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Speaker 1: but in doing so, I've got to make some changes

474
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Speaker 1: within the building itself.

475
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Speaker 3: Is Carly cool with that?

476
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Speaker 2: I think she is, yes, because that's ultimately the goal.

477
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Speaker 1: You know what, I think Carli orsay Gordon would asked

478
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: for what's that? Guitars because she just sold all of them.

479
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: She didn't have any left. She just needs a guitar, right,

480
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they've sold them yet though, right.

481
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: So my understanding is that they are with the auction house.

482
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a there's a big pile of guitars

483
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Speaker 2: sitting somewhere about to get sold for a whole lot

484
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Speaker 2: of money.

485
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Speaker 1: Do you think there are people that are like thinking

486
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Speaker 1: they're going to be sneaky, like, you know what, I'm

487
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna get on that thing when nobody else is looking,

488
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to swipe away Prince's guitar for two

489
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five bucks.

490
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Speaker 2: Good luck.

491
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Speaker 1: I tried doing that with watches, Like every once in

492
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Speaker 1: a while, I get on something and I'm like, oh

493
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Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm in the totally in the running for this,

494
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: like you know, vintage watch, and then at the eleventh hour,

495
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm like, oh boy, yeah, now

496
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: I see what happened. Everybody else is teen to it there,

497
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Speaker 1: wait until the eleventh hour.

498
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the case here, Yeah, I think,

499
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Speaker 2: And I also believe ultimately they would like to sell

500
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Speaker 2: this thing in mass I don't think that's gonna be possible,

501
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: but certainly, like maybe pieces of it, not individually, but

502
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: like you know, hey, here's there's twenty five amazing historic

503
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: guitars or something. I don't know how it's gonna work,

504
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: but we'll see.

505
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Steve, and I know you have listen.

506
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: Listen. It's got to be worth at least a couple

507
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: a couple of good contracts. I would think you would.

508
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Say, there's that, Stephen.

509
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: You have a son and a daughter, both adults living elsewhere.

510
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: Correct, son is, but daughter is still sixteen.

511
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I'm sorry. I was thinking she was

512
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: away college. Cool enough, but who's counting either way. My

513
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: point being, I certainly hope that everybody is able to

514
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: be under one roof when Santa does bring everything and

515
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: eats the cookies. And you mentioned health for the cold's

516
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: health to you and your family as well, for a

517
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: safe and prosperous not only Christmas, but New Year's. Well,

518
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I do appreciate all the time that you lend to

519
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: this radio station over the course of the year.

520
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: All right, well, sing to you and yours and know

521
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: where to find me in in the year.

522
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, at a Pacer game, right, that's where.

523
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Well that we we can that can be arranged, that's right.

524
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: All right, Steven, appreciate a happy New Year. And Merry

525
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: Christmas to you all right soon? All right, Stephen Holder

526
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: who joins us, and again we'll probably talk to him

527
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: between now and New Year's I guess. But no show

528
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: tomorrow or on Christmas Day on this radio station. We

529
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Speaker 1: will be back with everybody on Friday when we do return.

530
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Speaker 1: Some great submissions last night after the Colts defense basically

531
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Speaker 1: submitted then it was, and yes there is Pacers news

532
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: to get to. Speaking of that, but I want to

533
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: get into the comments that people shared with me of

534
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: when I asked fifteen words, are fewer your thoughts on

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: the Colts season? Some great answers. I'll share them with

536
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Speaker 1: you next. Scott Agnes joins the show. Scott, let's begin

537
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: with this. The Isaiah Jackson injury last night. I saw

538
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: him walking off after the fact. But now Rick Carlisle

539
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: last night had said that there was perhaps concussion.

540
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Speaker 3: Do we know what the latest is in that?

541
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the latest is he was diagnosed with a concussion.

542
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: Has already Jake been ruled out for tonight's game against

543
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: the Bucks, and it makes you wonder about his status too.

544
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Speaker 5: Moving forward with.

545
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: Another back to back coming up this weekend, but they'll

546
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: have the next two days between games. But it's even

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: more difficult for them to take at the moment because

548
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: Tony Bradley last week fractured the tip of his right thumb,

549
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: so that's why they brought in James Wiseman.

550
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 5: So now Bradley's limited. We know Isaiah Jackson's out, so

551
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 5: they're rarely down to Jay Huff and James Wiseman.

552
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: So Wiseman was on a ten day I would assume

553
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: that that becomes a twenty day now right.

554
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: You would assume it will expire before the next game,

555
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: so they'll have to make at least one more transaction

556
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Speaker 4: before Friday.

557
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Speaker 3: Scott one of the things to me that's been frustrating.

558
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Speaker 3: And I get that.

559
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Speaker 1: You're going without all you know, you're going into this

560
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: without all pieces around them, But Andrew Nimharden, Jeris Walker,

561
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Speaker 1: been at Matheren, those three, the consistency or lack thereof,

562
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: to me, has been frustrating. I think nim Hart is

563
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: another one that has struggled with consistency.

564
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Speaker 3: You agree or disagree, I.

565
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Speaker 4: Would agree, but I put Matherin and Nimhart in a

566
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Speaker 4: category of giving it them all.

567
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: They're all despite their.

568
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: Physical limitations, meaning they're not healthy, and they're battling and

569
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Speaker 4: they need help from everybody else. And so of those three,

570
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Speaker 4: Walker is the one that really strikes me. This is

571
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: a breakout type year he could have. The opportunity is

572
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Speaker 4: obviously there, and he's only getting fifteen minutes because that's

573
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Speaker 4: really all he earns is right now.

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Speaker 3: And last night again, I mean, I don't know.

575
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Speaker 1: If Walker was over, he might have had a field goal,

576
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Speaker 1: but he just I I Scott, what is it that

577
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Speaker 1: is missing? I guess I would ask, because is at

578
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: times he looks in flow, and he looks comfortable and

579
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: he has you know, he's a bigger body. But at

580
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: the same time, you know he can play on the outside,

581
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: he can at times have touch, but then it's like

582
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: things just go too fast for him.

583
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Speaker 3: What is it that's missing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think your last point is the number one

585
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: thing is his mind gets racing and then sometimes maybe

586
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 4: his mind gets ahead of his body and whether he overthinks,

587
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, should he take this three or not? Or

588
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: what should he do when he puts it on the floor.

589
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: To me, it's the decision making and overthinking. I think

590
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: out there and you in some of it is understandable,

591
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: right He sees what we're talking about. There's this opportunity

592
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: he needs to prove himself. He was disappointed not to

593
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: be eligible for the finals last year due to injury,

594
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: trying to make up for lost time.

595
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 5: But it just hasn't.

596
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: It hasn't played out as any of us thought. Like

597
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 4: all those things that we highlighted during the draft process

598
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: which made him an obvious fit for this franchise, and

599
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Speaker 4: all the things they talked about is defense, the versatility,

600
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Speaker 4: his length, his defense, his three point shooting. Really all

601
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: that's shown is as a consistency I think from his

602
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: three point shot, although last night he was over four.

603
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: But it seems like he's had.

604
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: To adapt, certainly playing a different defense and what he

605
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: did at Houston where he could kind of you know,

606
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: it's just entirely different. But here, you're right, Jacob, He's

607
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: the one to me that has just not elevated his

608
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: game to the level we thought, to the point where

609
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Speaker 4: I think Johnny Furfey's surpassed him and he's a year

610
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: behind him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Furfey, I know that fans love Furfey because

612
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: of the dunks, right like in Summer League and that

613
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But Furfey's another one that you can

614
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of see now the game starting to slow down

615
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: for him a little bit. And I thought initially he

616
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: looked like he was playing also like a little oversped

617
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: But in talking with the Pacers, they love not only

618
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: his length but the fact that he can be quick

619
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Speaker 1: release and defensively has a little bit of lenked about him.

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Speaker 1: What is the ceiling for Johnny Furfey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I go back to like Mike Dunleavy.

622
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: That's the comparison I like to use for for Fear,

623
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Speaker 4: And you got to remember too, he's like he came

624
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: in as a nineteen year old new to the States

625
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: and spent one year at Kansas, So there's going to

626
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: be more of a a growth curve and more adaptability necessary,

627
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Speaker 4: I think for a guy like him. But now in

628
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: this year, you're totally right. I think things have slowed down.

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Speaker 5: I think he.

630
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Speaker 4: Knows a lot more of what Rick Carlisle and the

631
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Speaker 4: staff are asking from him, and he's more confident in

632
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: his abilities, and I think you.

633
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Speaker 5: See that play out.

634
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: The only thing that has held him back to this

635
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: point has been that ankle injury that he suffered very

636
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Speaker 4: early in the season, maybe even game one, then he

637
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: was out for a month and he came back and

638
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: then kind of tweaked it this past week and it

639
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: is now having.

640
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Speaker 5: To play through that.

641
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: That's all obviously a mental hurdle when these players suffer

642
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 4: injuries is can they get to their spots and make

643
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: the same same type of moves when when one of

644
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: your limbs in his ankle is not completely healthy.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes is my guest field House Files where you

646
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: can read his work. He's on the Java House Peel

647
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: and Poor guest line. Scott one of the things that

648
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: was a positive for the Pacers, and he has been

649
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: and I was wrong. I mean I had hesitation about

650
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: giving a Max deal to Pascal Siakam, partially because of

651
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: his age and the timelines, and he's been everything and

652
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 1: more that you could ask. So I was wrong there.

653
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: But one of the things that is of concern to me,

654
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: and I want you, Scott Agnes, to tell me if

655
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: I should not be concerned by this. One of the

656
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: things that is of concern to me is the fact

657
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: that Pascal Siakam, when he arrived via trade, the lack

658
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: of mileage for his age was a selling point. Hey,

659
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I know that he's this age but or older than

660
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: other players, but he doesn't have the number of games

661
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: logged in Toronto? Is that getting off set now by

662
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he is the one guy that they're

663
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: having to use thirty five plus a night, and he's

664
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: having to go at a higher level than if he

665
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: had everybody around him to lean on.

666
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's less the mileage or minutes per

667
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: game he's playing right now, and more so how much

668
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: is being asked from him within that timeframe, right Like,

669
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: if he doesn't do it, he's got to have that

670
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 4: feel like, all right, well no one else will or

671
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: I got to do it at both ends and I

672
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: can't take possessions off or anything like that. So to me,

673
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: it's not the minutes. It's more just the lack of

674
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: help across the roster that they're really getting. It's him,

675
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: it's Natherin, and it's Nimhard and the rest of the

676
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: group has kind of struggled, with a few exceptions from

677
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: now and then, right Furfy had a big game the

678
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 4: other night in New Orleans.

679
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: TJ McConnell.

680
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: You know what you can get exactly from him, but

681
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 4: everybody else a lot of question.

682
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: Marks Scott when you were a kid growing up. I

683
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: asked Stephen this question earlier. If you were to look

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: back at Christmases in the Agnes household, you know, each

685
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: year there's the one thing that you like. You just

686
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: you're trying everything. You're going to every Santa that you've known,

687
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: the man, you're asking everybody. You're repeating it to your parents,

688
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: you're telling your grandparents. It is the one gift you

689
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: want more than anything in life itself. Give me the

690
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: gift at any point in the childhood of Agnes that

691
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: jumps out at you as you're like, man, I remember

692
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: wanting that more than anything.

693
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 5: Ooh, that's a great question. Mmm.

694
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: I think I had a lot of high hopes. I

695
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: used to be the guy that had the long list.

696
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: Now I haven't even thought, nor have I even started.

697
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, you're running out of time.

698
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 5: Bud Work calls first Jake.

699
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 4: A couple that come to mind, Penny Hardaway shoes back

700
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: in the day, that must.

701
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: Have been mid probably late nineties, and.

702
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: Probably the other one I think was Oh he was

703
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 4: the rival, and I was so.

704
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 5: Mad that I got it.

705
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: I got the N sixty four, but I think I

706
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: wanted the other one, like a sega maybe and it

707
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: ended up being just fine.

708
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: But I remember throwing a fit about that.

709
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 3: So you were a spoiled kid.

710
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes you.

711
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: Were a brat. Is that what we're getting at? You

712
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: were a brat.

713
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: I was definitely known for being that until middle school

714
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 4: for sure.

715
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough with the and we'll do what we

716
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: did with Stephen Holder earlier.

717
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Santa is he's he's already.

718
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: You know, Santa's got to start out down in Australia,

719
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: and you know down there because it turns midnight faster, right,

720
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: so Santa just has he has the night where everything's

721
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: going perfect.

722
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: He's put it in the ways.

723
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Rudolph is just killing it on the direction. You know,

724
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: Donner and Blitzing are on it. And so he's way

725
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. And he arrives in the United States

726
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of schedule, and so he knows

727
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: that he's going to visit a couple people and he's

728
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: going to ask them, I want to know, as it

729
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: relates to your job, what you want Santa to bring

730
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: you for Christmas? And he begins at the home of

731
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Pritchard and he says, Kevin Pritchard when it comes

732
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: to this basketball team, tell me what it is that

733
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: you want for Christmas that's most going to help your team.

734
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: That would be what.

735
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: Let's throw out the obvious jake of good health, because

736
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: every team wants that. I would say stability and a

737
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 4: long term piece at the center position.

738
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So a good answer, and Santa writes that down.

739
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: And then Santa gets in his sleigh and he goes

740
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: to the home of Rick Carlyle and he says, Rick,

741
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, I just got done talking to your friend Kevin.

742
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: It seems like a nice guy. The thing is, I'm

743
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: willing to offer you the same thing as Santa Claus. However, however,

744
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: I can only deliver one per person. So Rick Carlyle,

745
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: you have to say something that is most going to

746
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: help your team, but you cannot go with stability at

747
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: the center position. Rick Carlisle asks Santa for.

748
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: What consistency of their play? Fair consistency of their hard play, because.

749
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: Like last night, we saw a solid first half and

750
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: a terrible second half.

751
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

752
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Finally, Santa is going to go to the home of

753
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam and he's going to say, you've been a

754
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: very good boy. You've been a very good boy, because

755
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: there are a lot of players that would have gone

756
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: to Santa a long time ago and asked for a trade.

757
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: There are players that would have gone to Santa a

758
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: long time ago and asked, you know, simply why. But

759
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 1: you left me fabulous cookies. You left me really good milk.

760
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm very appreciative. This is a beautiful home where you

761
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: had all your teammates down in the off season. But

762
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm curious you, Pascal, what is it that you would like?

763
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: What does Pascal Siakam say?

764
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 4: I think you'd say Aaron Nesmith to come back sooner

765
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 4: than later.

766
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: You know that's not a bad th Nie Smith? Is

767
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: you play that Jenga right, that wooden block game. They

768
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: have it at Drake's. They haven't basically at any restaurant.

769
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about? The Jenga I do? Yeah, okay,

770
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Nie Smith is one of those block pieces that is

771
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: far more important than probably people realize.

772
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: You would agree, Yeah, well for sure. At both ends.

773
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: In the locker room, the hard plays contagious, yeah, no doubt.

774
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

775
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Lastly, Santa gets done in Indy and now he's going

776
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: to put on an extra layer and he puts the

777
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: cute little you know, toppings on Rudolph and the gang

778
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: because they're going further north to Milwaukee where things get

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: very very cold, and truth be told nobody, you know,

780
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: for the obvious reasons. The reindeer they do kind of

781
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: like the bucks, you know what I mean. I mean,

782
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of within the family. But nonetheless, Santa gets

783
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: there and he arrives at the home of Miles Turner,

784
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: and he says to Miles Turner, young Miles, what is

785
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: it that you would like for Christmas? You made an

786
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: interesting request to the Easter Bunny last year in the spring,

787
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: and now it's wintertime and it's my turn. What does

788
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Miles Turner say, truth be told that he hopes for.

789
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: I think he would say, I already got paid, and

790
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: if Jannis wants out, I want to go to a

791
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 4: winning situation as well to maximize the rest of my career.

792
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Scott agnesfield House files where you can

793
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: read his work. Always a pleasure, Scott, very you have

794
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: big Christmas plans by chance.

795
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 5: Just in townless family as usual, which is which is awesome.

796
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 5: I love it. It's my favorite holiday across the years.

797
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell the neighbors to keep clear in the

798
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: front yard for your tantrum if you don't get the

799
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: exact specifications of your request.

800
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: Right.

801
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 5: That was the only about thirty years ago.

802
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Scott, Merry Christmas to you man. I

803
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always.

804
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 5: Hey you two the Jake. Thanks enjoyed that game.

805
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the Java House Peel and

806
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: poor guest line. You know what I have not done today,

807
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: and I should have, and I apologize, but I also

808
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: was aware that there were some things we were kind

809
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: of working through, and I appreciate everybody's patients with that

810
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: and as well our engineers and their work. But two

811
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: three nine ten seventy is the telephone number, and after

812
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: a game like we had last night, I'm just under

813
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: the assumption that people would like to get it off

814
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: their chest. Two three nine ten seventy in terms of

815
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: I asked yesterday, you know about what people wanted to

816
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: say in terms of Twitter and their thoughts from last night.

817
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: And let me read you two other really good ones again.

818
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: Fifteen words are fewer is the way I asked it

819
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: last night. I like this from pond Bear went over

820
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: fifteen words, but it's good.

821
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: I think this offseason is going to look.

822
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Like twenty twelve twenty twenty six is I'll say, screwed.

823
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: You might as well trade Taylor, Pittman, Nelson, Franklin, anyone

824
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: of value with a contract is gone. Their careers are

825
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: done here. That sounds extreme, but I don't think it's

826
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: totally off base in terms of something that can be explored.

827
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they do it, but I could see

828
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: them exploring it. Ross Mattlock, Ross matt eight. Ross Mattlock

829
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: has I think the best answer of all and I've

830
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: used it today. Ross Mattlock gets total credit for it.

831
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: Achilles heel bigger issue than achilles tendon. That is so brilliant, Ross,

832
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: that is so brilliant. And you are right, the Achilles

833
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: heel meaning in this case for me and all, you

834
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: can come up with a one hundred different things that

835
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: you think would be the Achilles heel. But the Achilles

836
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: heel has been defensively and lack of late season execution

837
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: for the Colts defense and depth. Those two things have

838
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: absolutely been things that have done in the Colts at

839
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: this point. Kurten, did you say that we have a

840
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: couple to participate.

841
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Are you there.

842
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: We've got Moe and Kimball on the line. Your choice.

843
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: We will begin with Mo. Mo is exactly what the

844
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: Niners offense had last night. Plenty of momentum and it

845
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: never let up.

846
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: What's up, Mo?

847
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: Well, I just got up, you guys.

848
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 6: The fan has been my alixir, kind of stort of

849
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 6: because I got this morning. I'm drowning myself and my

850
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 6: orange juice and I look across my room and I'm

851
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 6: looking at that bottle of vodka and I'm thinking, at

852
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 6: nine o'clock in the morning, should I and I I

853
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: passed on it. But they are driving me, the Colts

854
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 6: are driving me in that direction.

855
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: It's I don't know what to say a fan.

856
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 6: You know, I bought season tickets for thirty some years,

857
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 6: and it just keeps going over and over and over

858
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 6: and over. I know how you feel about it, But

859
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 6: I can talk myself into all kinds of ways in

860
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 6: which if they just jettisoned everybody and tried to make

861
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 6: it work, that I can see a way where it

862
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 6: could work. I don't know, but we keep you know,

863
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 6: it's that insanity thing, But you and I keep going

864
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 6: over and it just keeps going on and on and on,

865
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 6: and we repeat ourselves and everything. Shoot, we even repeated

866
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 6: ourselves getting filliped rivers.

867
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this mode, do you ever have

868
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: you ever had one of these dreams?

869
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Speaker 1: And maybe it's just me and my own neuroticism, do

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Speaker 1: you ever have a dream where you are like a

871
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Speaker 1: in a building and you got to get to you know,

872
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Speaker 1: a final exam or something like that, But every you're

873
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: in a hallway and every time you try the door,

874
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: it's locked, and you keep trying a different door, its

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Speaker 1: locked again, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what it feels like.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every combination they're trying to use for

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Speaker 1: the last ten years is locked.

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Speaker 6: And that's the same thing with fandom. You know, I'm

880
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 6: setting around and businesses they jettison sayings, they start all over.

881
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 6: If you've gone for so long, and all I want

882
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 6: is hope, But it seems like we get into that

883
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Speaker 6: part and then we have no hope and and fight.

884
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 6: I just wanted to see some fight. And that was

885
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Speaker 6: so totally disappointing last night with the with the with

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Speaker 6: the defense.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not being too critical when I say that

888
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: defense looked like they had no heart no hope, no plan.

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Speaker 2: Right. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 6: I know when you said something about watching training camp,

891
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Speaker 6: and that's exactly what I thought. There were times when

892
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Speaker 6: they just looked like they were statues. They were like

893
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Speaker 6: them blocking dummies or whatever that they have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean the word dummy. I'm not calling it.

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Speaker 3: No, I know what you mean. They're just standing there right, Wait,

896
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Speaker 3: they're just standing there waiting.

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Speaker 6: Most importantly, sometimes they double team them, and I thought,

898
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Speaker 6: what the heck are you guys thinking?

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Speaker 1: Mo, Listen, when it all comes down to it, here's

900
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Speaker 1: the thing. Football is a great game, and the Colts

901
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: are a franchise that have given a lot of, you know,

902
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: joy to people for a long time. And I love

903
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: the fact that all we want is hope. That should

904
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Speaker 1: be their model for next year. But most importantly, at

905
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Speaker 1: Christmas time, it's about health, and it's about family and happiness.

906
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Speaker 1: And I wish you a very merry Christmas for your

907
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Speaker 1: entire family. With that, Kimball joins us. Now, Kimball, what's up?

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Speaker 7: This is your seventy five year old favorite race car driver.

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Speaker 3: Seventy five year old favorite race car driver.

910
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I talk while back. You call me Charlie Kimball.

911
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: I love it, man, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, you're still what is it you race

913
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Speaker 1: late models?

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Speaker 7: Well right now to the twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Dodgs to Rango.

916
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Speaker 1: Well listen, I mean you know there are late models,

917
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Speaker 1: whether it be cars or otherwise, you can always be

918
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Speaker 1: chasing them down right, I mean you get what I'm saying,

919
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Speaker 1: all right, Kemball, yep.

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Speaker 7: Well I'll tell you what everybody's talked about. The defense,

921
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Speaker 7: So I won't talk about that because that's a dead horse.

922
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Speaker 7: But my feeling right now is I feel good for

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Speaker 7: Philip Rivers. They give him no shot last night, and

924
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Speaker 7: he did everything he could. He did, and it seemed

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Speaker 7: like that we went away from the running game from

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Speaker 7: Jonathan Taylor after he got the almost a fifteen hundred

927
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Speaker 7: yards and you know in they finally everybody finally figured

928
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Speaker 7: out what to do to stop him.

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Speaker 2: So other than.

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Speaker 7: You have to have players to have a defense, that

931
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Speaker 7: mean you have to have a coach. And everybody come

932
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 7: in talking about lou or Animo. So he was supposed

933
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Speaker 7: to be the savior. Well I don't see it, but

934
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Speaker 7: you know I will part with this shot right here?

935
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Speaker 7: Go you all the way thanks again, Happy New Year,

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Speaker 7: and a good blessing to you.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, Happy holidays as well, Kimball. That's our man,

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Speaker 1: our seventy five year old race car driver. I love

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Speaker 1: it right, and happy holidays, and you are right.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think? Did you ever think can you

942
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Speaker 1: imagine going on the way back machine at any point?

943
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Speaker 1: When I say way back even three years ago, but

944
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Speaker 1: can you imagine certainly thirty years ago, forty years ago

945
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Speaker 1: saying to someone I'm looking into the future. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: in the future in twenty twenty five, and I'm seeing

947
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Speaker 1: a city that is still picking itself up and dusting

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Speaker 1: itself off from being one half away from winning an

949
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Speaker 1: NBA title in Game seven. But they thought that they

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Speaker 1: were going to find some peace of mind based on

951
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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts get out to a potential number one

952
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Speaker 1: seed in the AFC, but when it all went south,

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Speaker 1: it was all made good based on the fact that

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Speaker 1: they would still be a week away from watching the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers as the number one seed in the college

956
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Speaker 1: football playoffs get set to beat Alabama and then go

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Speaker 1: on and for the second time, potentially beat Oregon or

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech, where Bob Knight would coach after he was

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Speaker 1: fired from Indiana, and then they'll go on and potentially

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Speaker 1: face the Ohio State Buckeyes, who they previously beat at

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Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium in the Big Ten championship game. There

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Speaker 1: are so many elements of that statement that thirty five

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Speaker 1: years ago, someone would have looked at you and without question,

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Speaker 1: without question, you're in LaRue, Carter or Central State or

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Speaker 1: whatever it was open at the time, because people would

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Speaker 1: have been like, there's no way that none of that

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Speaker 1: is of sound mind, none of it. Ten your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on it, if you'd like. From last night, a total collapse,

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers said something about where he thinks the Colts

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Speaker 1: are