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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday. Later, distinguished

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Speaker 1: California scholar man You and Pen returned to our classroom.

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Speaker 1: Now Professor un Penn, who detected that the Willy Lynch

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Speaker 1: letter was a fake. A lot of people run around

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Speaker 1: still quoting the Willy Lynch letter. He was the person

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Speaker 1: to delve into the history of Africa's greatest leaders are kings,

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Speaker 1: Paula Brice Simms will preview a prostate cancer warness seminar

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Speaker 1: taking place coming up, and Mamma Charilie Lincoln University Professor

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Speaker 1: doctor Ganaka Logoki will update us on the situation involved

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Speaker 1: in the hell Nations on the continent. But as usually,

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Speaker 1: we got to get Kevin to open up the classroom

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Speaker 1: doors for us on this hump day, Grand Rising, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts this morning? How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Excellent?

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Speaker 3: Carl Nelson, thank you for asking my brother, because it's

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Speaker 3: another wonderful Wednesday, the eighth of October and just a

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Speaker 3: minute past six, so no better time than the present.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling, hey, Kevin?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, bro I'm still I'm standing in that

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Speaker 1: mode forever.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I certainly understand that that's where where growth comes from.

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Speaker 3: That's where impact comes from. As you learn, you teach,

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Speaker 3: and as you listen, you learn. So you're inspiring us all.

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Speaker 1: Brother, That's the key, though, listen because you can't learn

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Speaker 1: if you if you're not listening. Some people don't listen.

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Speaker 1: You probably notice that from on this program. You know,

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Speaker 1: instead of asking a question, they don't listen. They just

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you got to listen. That's Keith Hence two ears,

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Speaker 3: you know that kind of that kind of admonition. And

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Speaker 3: speaking of listening, man, are the Republicans listening to America's cry?

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Speaker 3: You know they say that in political Trump's off script

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Speaker 3: O PET and you know President Trump, Speaker Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 3: Senate Majority Leader John Thune are straining to project a

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Speaker 3: united front against the Democrats. Now aren't they supposed to

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Speaker 3: be working together?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Okay, red tie versus blue

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Speaker 3: But you still are wearing a tie, so you can

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Speaker 3: agree that, you know, the costume is the.

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Speaker 2: Same these guys are, I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they are being paid well, well, hundreds or

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Speaker 1: if not millions of Americans are not being paid to

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Speaker 1: that's one of the first things we need to change, family,

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Speaker 1: because if they would feel the pinch, they'll probably you know,

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Speaker 1: reach a compromise quicker than what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: Because right now I understand that that Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: And from what I understand, many of them are not

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Speaker 1: when whenever the situation is resolved, you know, the back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw an article about that whole idea that

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Speaker 3: it says that Trump says that he would like to

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Speaker 3: But then he walked that back and said, I'm happy

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Speaker 3: to work with the Democrats on their failed health care

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Speaker 3: to reopen, and so he's holding them hostage. Right reopen

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Speaker 3: and then we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 1: What you know, Yeah, he saw that both sides of

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Speaker 1: his mouth. It sounded like he understood what was going on.

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Speaker 1: One of the I think it is Marsrey Taylor Green,

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Speaker 1: And what and what they've been saying is that we're

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Speaker 1: So it gets to all these ethical questions too, But

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Speaker 3: Well, part of the disagreement in Congress is the tensions

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Speaker 3: that surfaced yesterday after a White House Budget Office memo

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Speaker 2: I got to look that up.

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Speaker 3: A federal law guaranteeing back pay for furloughed federal workers,

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Speaker 3: one that Johnson and Thune both voted for in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: And so now the one else is trying to ignore that.

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Speaker 1: Well, they tried to, you know, but that is the law,

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Speaker 1: and speak of Jeffreys mentioned that that is the law.

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Speaker 1: But more important, well not more important, but one of

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Speaker 1: if you will, Kevin, is the flight the causing all

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Speaker 1: so it's globally. It hasn't It started spreading a Burbank

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, According to the Associated Press, the staffing shortages

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Speaker 3: airports in Burbank, Newark, and Denver, and about ninety of

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Speaker 3: more than twenty three thousand flights departing from US airports

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Speaker 3: you know, you better call ahead before you take that flight.

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Speaker 1: If you got a flight today anywhere in the country,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you're gonna go to the Bahamas.

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Speaker 3: Guess what the x NFL star herschel Walker is now

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Speaker 3: the first US Bahamas ambassador in nearly fifteen years. Herschel Walker,

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Speaker 3: He's the ambassador to Bahamas. What a great job, don't

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's an excellent job. You're fifteen minutes away from Miami,

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Speaker 1: so it's basically here on vacation. But the only thing

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for, you know, all these jobs that are

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Speaker 1: about Herschel at least he's black, So it's going into

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Speaker 1: you know. So for that standpoint, you almost got to

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Speaker 1: you feel about Herschel. But he's now the US Ambassadors

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Speaker 1: of the Bahamas. But we're paying for him and all

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Speaker 1: the staff and all of that. So hey, those those

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Speaker 1: I look at that one.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, Oh, I see that was an interesting how does

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Speaker 3: summer colds win?

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Speaker 2: A wrap up? But check this out Herschelwalker.

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Speaker 3: Herschel Walker was one of more than one hundred nominees

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Speaker 3: confirmed in a single vote. It's like being a you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and they've been they've been figuring out

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Speaker 1: Somehow they've studied it, just like we talked about yesterday

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Speaker 3: Well, the Bahamas has been without an ambassador since twenty eleven,

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Speaker 3: and it's one of only five countries including Bolivia, Cuba

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Speaker 3: was reading somewhere, maybe it's in this article where China. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: here it is having an ambassador in place more important

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Speaker 3: Herschel Walker said that at his confirmation hearing last month.

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Speaker 3: He said it built a nearly three billion dollar deep

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Speaker 3: that could have implications for US national security. So by

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Speaker 3: having Herschel there, apparently he can kind of slow down

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Speaker 1: But he's to deal with that, Kevin, the United States

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Speaker 1: hasn't shown any love to those countries, and here comes

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Speaker 1: And it goes to the African countries as well, and

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Speaker 1: then I'll expect it to accept it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: like we're breaking up, but I don't want you to

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Speaker 1: go with him because I don't like him, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what it is. So the Chinese

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Speaker 1: are coming to help with infrastructure. They tuned it all

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Speaker 1: care a Baptis as well, and so they're accepting it.

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, the United States gonna wait

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Speaker 1: a mint that you can't accept that from China. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been buddies for quite some time, especially for the Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: You're on our doorstep, I mean fifteen minutes away flight

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Speaker 1: from Miami. You're in Nassau. So you know why you,

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Speaker 1: why is you helping China to set up shop on

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Speaker 1: the care about the Bahamians, if you will that, it's

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Speaker 1: the proximity of where the Bahamas is through the United States.

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Speaker 2: You're right, trying to slow China down sort of.

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Speaker 3: Right, You don't want Guido to come to your door

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Speaker 5: Thanks very good morning, a Cab.

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Speaker 1: And good morning as well, doctor Legoki. You always rely

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Speaker 5: Definitely you know, uh, they hope to have to build

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Speaker 5: So for me, the primary responsibility is African I'm talking

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Speaker 1: And we get back to that, you know, building stadiums,

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Speaker 1: It's twenty seven minutes after the top of their family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks of waking up with us on this Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Mark's joining us. He's in Baltimore City. He's online too.

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Speaker 1: He has a question for doctor Legoke. Grand rise in

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Speaker 7: happy Jewish New Year. The year is fifty seven eighty six,

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Speaker 7: question is is concerning the ideal of balance. The United States,

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Speaker 7: despite the fact that its main policy is America's First,

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Speaker 7: still has an interest overseas in a lot of different continents,

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Speaker 7: including Africa. So my question is what does the United

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Speaker 7: States have to do to balance It's up against the

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Speaker 7: influence of Russia and Red China. As far as having

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Speaker 7: a say in what goes on in Africa. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I mean, building roads is one thing, but trying to

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Speaker 7: take away the wealth of the great Wealth of continent

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Speaker 7: offers and then using it for taking it back to

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Speaker 7: its own country, taking away from the clunty. It's rather unfair.

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Speaker 7: And I know the United States like to have fairness

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Speaker 7: involved in US. So what does the United States have

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Speaker 7: to do to to balance us out? But they're present

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Speaker 7: of some kind, But what do you say about that?

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Speaker 1: All right? Thanks Mark, and doctor Logg. You know that

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Speaker 1: he mentioned the phrase red China. I haven't heard that

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Speaker 1: in quite at some time, but anyway, I know you

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Speaker 1: picked up on that as well. Though Doctor Logga had

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Speaker 1: to respond to Mark's question. Thank you Mark. Doctor.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't know if first of all, we'll be

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Speaker 5: talking about America first with the current president Donald Trump. No,

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Speaker 5: so uh. The second element is that I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not so sure that that the United the United

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Speaker 5: States is the embodiment of fairness when it comes to business.

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Speaker 5: I'm not so sure about that, particularly in relationship between

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Speaker 5: the United States and then colonized countries or countries that

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Speaker 5: were colonized. So we know the history of the United

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Speaker 5: States in Haiti, in Venezuela, in many other places in

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Speaker 5: the world. In Africa, we know, we know the role

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Speaker 5: of the United States in the assassination of butches to

464
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Speaker 5: Mumba because they wanted to use, like us, a mineral

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Speaker 5: to build a nuclear bomb. So yes, and then so

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Speaker 5: we know what affect the nuclear bomb was before, but

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Speaker 5: they don't because they wanted to increase the power. So

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Speaker 5: we I don't think that America is the embodiment of

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Speaker 5: furness when it comes to that. Now, what the United

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Speaker 5: States should do uh to another to counter China. It

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Speaker 5: is a powert serving and listenings and listening to the

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Speaker 5: needs of the African masses. We are tired of that

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Speaker 5: war between Russia and China. Yesterday they were talking about

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Speaker 5: the Cold War. In the name of the Cold War,

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Speaker 5: then Africa became a battle ground of bloody walls and

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Speaker 5: then destortion of properties and then many other businesses. So

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Speaker 5: today again the only thing America wants to do is

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Speaker 5: to train and country China. But if they wanted to

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Speaker 5: really do things in the country cot to Africa, the

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Speaker 5: first thing is to help people to feed themselves. But

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Speaker 5: be the United States that subsidized it's agricultural products. Is

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Speaker 5: that subsidized It's fathers be the Europeans who do not

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Speaker 5: want African countries to become self sufficient like in the

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Speaker 5: field of agriculture in many other sectors. But the only

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Speaker 5: thing we want basic needs. We want to be able

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Speaker 5: to feed ourselves. We want to be about, you know,

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Speaker 5: to control our resources. But we are not seen that

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Speaker 5: we either be with China, of Russia or the United States.

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Speaker 5: So this is what I want to say, you know,

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Speaker 5: to answer mass questions.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you went there at twenty nine away

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Speaker 1: from the top of the our family. Just check it

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Speaker 1: in I guess you start to Ganka Legoke, he teaches

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Speaker 1: at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania, and these eyes and ears

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Speaker 1: and what's going on in the Francophone world on the continent.

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Speaker 1: But but having said that, though, what what what does

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Speaker 1: Africa need to do? So because the resources that they have,

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Speaker 1: they they send them to other countries, first world countries

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Speaker 1: if you will, using those terms, and then they import

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Speaker 1: them back. Why can't they cut out the middleman? Why

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Speaker 1: can't they just you know, use the mineral resources they have,

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Speaker 1: even though like cocoa for example, instead of sending it

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Speaker 1: off to other countries to make chocolate. Why can't they

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Speaker 1: have the plants there to build uh chocolate, to create

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Speaker 1: the chocolate candies or chocolate drink or whatever. What?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 1: Why they have to export the export their minerals and

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Speaker 1: then import them back at a higher rate. I hope

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Speaker 1: you understand what I'm trying to get out here now.

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Speaker 5: And you're very knowledgeable person. You know, even your you

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Speaker 5: have the answer to your own question. But just because

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Speaker 5: I'm years so I'm going to and answer uh you

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Speaker 5: when I've talked about that issue, I talked about the

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Speaker 5: responsibility of African leaders. But at the same time, it

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Speaker 5: is more, it is like it is deeper than the

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Speaker 5: flaws and the weaknesses of African leaders because as you know,

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Speaker 5: most of the leaders that we had, I we really

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Speaker 5: care about our people. You know, we know the tragic

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Speaker 5: feet the you know they endured or they have to face.

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Speaker 5: And so I'm going to take the example of the first,

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Speaker 5: what the greatest on the country of Africa, Kwameran Kruma

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Speaker 5: than I was the first country to be independent in

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Speaker 5: South South Africa in nineteen fifty seven. Beautiful moments of

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Speaker 5: global solidarity trans national and transracial a moment. Our King

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Speaker 5: was a sling ceremony. Many of the Black American leaders

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Speaker 5: were there. But guess what when the US beat everything

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Speaker 5: possible with the European countries like friends and maybe in

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Speaker 5: England in order to break the spirit of self determination

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Speaker 5: in Ghana, Comunicuma was over grown February twenty four, nineteen

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Speaker 5: sixty six. And then I saw a video of Comuncuba

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Speaker 5: myself saying that we won our political sovereignity. It is

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Speaker 5: when we were about to win our economist sovereignity that

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Speaker 5: they decided to come and Attackles. I've seen that video

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Speaker 5: in Crima wrote in nineteen sixty five neocolonialism the last

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Speaker 5: stage of imperialism. That book Eccording to People has sealed

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Speaker 5: its tragic feet. In that book we can see how

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Speaker 5: you know the Western world used its companies in order

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Speaker 5: to know themIn this dispirit of and the man the

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Speaker 5: economist ofeignity of Africa. So I can give the example

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Speaker 5: of doctor King April sixty and April fourth, ninety sixty

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Speaker 5: Malcolm makes faberuty to the first ninety sty five many

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Speaker 5: other Particianmby was talking about all the people wanted to

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Speaker 5: do the right thing. All Sylvanus Olympo from Togo who

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Speaker 5: wanted to change you have its own currency after the

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Speaker 5: second today who left the French African community. So Silvani

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Speaker 5: people has overthrown actility in the bloody could data. So

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Speaker 5: this is the fate of Africa. So if you have

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Speaker 5: leaders like im Crowry a civic guitar or journey in Nitia,

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Speaker 5: even despite their flaws, despite the limited vision, they mean, well,

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Speaker 5: then we see the proper Ganda. Everything that the European

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Speaker 5: do in another to undermand. So that's why those who

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Speaker 5: are in power who do not want to confirm the West,

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Speaker 5: you know, they want to go along and then they

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Speaker 5: go with that system of the new Colonel, new colonel

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Speaker 5: economic agenda and then they sell their raw materials, they

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Speaker 5: sell everything but the hope that they can secure enough

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Speaker 5: funds in order to do the development sixty years. It

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Speaker 5: did not work. So that's why today being the United

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Speaker 5: States or in Africa, you see the people of the

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Speaker 5: African global global community rising up because we want economist sovereignty.

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Speaker 5: So that is the that's the feat the you know,

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Speaker 5: that's the that that is the fate of Africa. And

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Speaker 5: then one example, I want to give you. I was

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Speaker 5: young and not read the first print of Africles who

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Speaker 5: fought who was close to the French, and the askim

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Speaker 5: a question, so you have cocoa, why you did not

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Speaker 5: build like a like a chocolate factory. I was so

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Speaker 5: shocked by his answer, and I'm selling that answer refew.

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Speaker 5: He said that if I wanted to build a chocolate factory,

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Speaker 5: the Europeans were not going to allow me to do that.

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Speaker 5: So this is what is happening in Africa. And now

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Speaker 5: the dunpo the American chicken present chicken in Ghana or

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Speaker 5: in different on the pat because as they would present

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Speaker 5: themselves as empires. The thing that the entire world is

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Speaker 5: a market that belongs you know, to them. So therefore

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Speaker 5: farmers in the group of stuff I can be edtion

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Speaker 5: have some subsidies in order to weaken, you know, the

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Speaker 5: farmers of those countries, for America, for friends, for England,

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Speaker 5: in order to go there and dump the manufactured products.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hold up, all right there, doctor Legoka got

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Speaker 1: a step aside and get caught up on the ladies' news,

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Speaker 1: traffic and weather in our different cities. Also a tweet

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Speaker 1: question coming in tweeter and this is the tweet. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond to it when we get back. It says,

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Speaker 1: did this administration and they talking about the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: and stop allowing black folks from African countries and students

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Speaker 1: come into the country. So you want to get to

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Speaker 1: your thoughts in that. Maybe you've seen it on your

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Speaker 1: campus at Lincoln University. Family, you too can join our

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Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Ganaka Legoki. Reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls after the news. Trafficking weather

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Speaker 1: that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up

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Speaker 1: with us on this Wednesday morning. It's hump day. That

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Speaker 1: means we're halfway through the work week and seventeen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top of the Hoyt with our guest

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Speaker 1: Dotor Kanaka Lagok. Teachers at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania right now,

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Speaker 1: a shout out to some of our teachers out there.

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Speaker 1: Are teachers getting ready to go to work and taking

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Speaker 1: care of our young people. We appreciate you, and please,

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Speaker 1: if you learn something this morning all the way to work,

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Speaker 1: share it with some of our young folks out there.

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Speaker 1: When you get into the classroom. Coming up later this morning,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with Professor main new Ampim. It's one

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Speaker 1: of our top scholars. He was a guy who figured

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Speaker 1: out that the Willie Lynch letter was a fake. So

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Speaker 1: if you hear any brothers sisters quoting the real Lynch letter,

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Speaker 1: let him know who's a fake. He discovered this years ago.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, he's going to talk about the rich history

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Speaker 1: of Africa's and greatest leaders, kings, queens, the chiefs and

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Speaker 1: all that. He's going to discuss that. But before we

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Speaker 1: speak with Professor am Pim, we're going to speak with

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Speaker 1: Paula Bryce Simms. She's going to preview a prostate cancer

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Speaker 1: awareness seven that's coming up lately this week and tomorrow

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Detroit activist sister Shanna Shakur with

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Speaker 1: some information about the mortgage crisis in Chicago. In Detroit,

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Speaker 1: I should say it's U pardon me, Detroit is impacting

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Speaker 1: our force. Also, Professor James Small will be here and

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Speaker 1: also flip that stock JR. Fenwick and j says, this

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Speaker 1: is a great time to get in the stock market.

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Speaker 1: You can explain why. So if you are in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I make sure you keep you radio locked in tight

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB if you're in the DMV though,

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Speaker 1: or on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL. All right, doctor like, okay, well, let the

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Speaker 1: tweet question came in for you about this current administration stop.

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Speaker 1: I'm just reading it with then this administration stop aligning

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Speaker 1: black folks from African countries and students from this coming

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Speaker 1: into this country. So your thoughts if you've seen any

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Speaker 1: impact on that, especially on your campus at Lincoln University.

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Speaker 5: So can you be the question please?

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Speaker 1: The question is basically the impact of the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: restricting visas for foreign students, especially those from the African countries.

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Speaker 1: If you've seen any impact on the campus on your

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Speaker 1: campus this semester.

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Speaker 5: One thing I can say is that we we do

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Speaker 5: the study Abroad program in Ghana. So we've been doing

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Speaker 5: that for for quite some time, for the last five

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Speaker 5: years and then with a Brainma College. Uh and the

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Speaker 5: program is led by like like by doctor Alice Lesnik

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Speaker 5: from Brainmarck College. But our students who were supposed to go,

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Speaker 5: who were international students, you know, for some security reason,

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Speaker 5: they were not encouraged in order to make the move.

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Speaker 5: The same thing also as Brainma people. If the international students,

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Speaker 5: those who came from Africa, there was one lady from

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Speaker 5: from from Asia. Lads, they did not want to go

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Speaker 5: to Ghana because you don't know what will happen on

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Speaker 5: their way back to the United States. So at that

649
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Speaker 5: kind of thing, yes, and they also, uh, it's not

650
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Speaker 5: like we have like a like a big contingent of

651
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Speaker 5: African students every year, so we don't see how it

652
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Speaker 5: is affecting those wanted to come here. But yes, all

653
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Speaker 5: of us be worried because of the mood of the

654
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Speaker 5: because of the mood Indonesian. And then yes, many people

655
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Speaker 5: based on what I'm reading, Uh, you know right now

656
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 5: they want to either go to other places or they

657
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 5: put on hold, you know, their dreams, you know, to

658
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Speaker 5: come to the United States to study.

659
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fourteen away from the time I man even going

660
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Speaker 1: to England now to study ox Cambridge London School economics.

661
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: They got some great schools over there as well. But

662
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Speaker 1: back to the should nations on the continent, are they

663
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Speaker 1: causing problems for France yet you mentioned the SIFA, which

664
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Speaker 1: is the money that they use, and my contention is

665
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Speaker 1: why make your enemy print your money? Can you know,

666
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Speaker 1: can they find somewhere else? Can can it be printed

667
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: somewhere else? We're talking about Fiat money, the actual paper money.

668
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Speaker 1: Can it? Can it be printed somewhere else? Why? Why

669
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Speaker 1: did France control that? So your response, yeah, so this.

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Speaker 5: Is a it's a good thing that you know you

671
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Speaker 5: asking that question because in recent weeks we heard that

672
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Speaker 5: the Cell states they are going to leave another original

673
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Speaker 5: grouping in West Africa, because in West Africa, like in Africa,

674
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Speaker 5: there are several regional groupings. The most known.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't lost to doctor Legoke Kevin Challemes like

676
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Speaker 1: his his line drop see if you can get him

677
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Speaker 1: back for us. It's thirteen minutes away from the top

678
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Speaker 1: of the family. I guess they starts to Ganaka. Lagoke

679
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: teaches a Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. Also todd At Howard

680
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Speaker 1: his Eyes and Ears and what's going on in Francophone

681
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Speaker 1: sections of the continent. And we've talked about the shale nations,

682
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Speaker 1: Burkino Fassa and this year and Mali they broke away

683
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Speaker 1: from Echo Wash and they started their own union and

684
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Speaker 1: they're negotiating as a group economically, socially, politically, and also

685
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Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, defense as well. So

686
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Speaker 1: they've they've broken away and the French government, and it's

687
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Speaker 1: just one of the questions we have for when he

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Speaker 1: is back. So that okay, I'll let you finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. So in West Africa there are several

690
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Speaker 5: regional groupings. The most the biggest one is called the

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Speaker 5: Economic Community of West African States. So country that speak Portuguese, English, French,

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Speaker 5: all of them, they are that in that regional grouping,

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Speaker 5: but the Franco fun country is colonized by by French.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There are all of them there in another regional grouping

696
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Speaker 5: called the West African Military Economic Union. And then when

697
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Speaker 5: there was like Christ the Crissis with the sell States,

698
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Speaker 5: they left Echo was but they were still members of

699
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Speaker 5: the West African Economic Military Union. And then so that grouping.

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Speaker 5: Most of the countries that speak French they use the

701
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Speaker 5: sip a frink which is connected to the which was

702
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Speaker 5: connected to the the French Frank but now it's expected

703
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Speaker 5: to the U. And then of course the money is

704
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Speaker 5: printed in France. And so we were waiting to see

705
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Speaker 5: all of us. We are expecting the news of those

706
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Speaker 5: countries of the Silled states creating their own money or

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Speaker 5: their own currency. That's what we've been expecting. But in

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Speaker 5: the recent weeks we heard that they announced that they

709
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Speaker 5: are leaving also the West African Economic Money Union, and

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Speaker 5: they announced the first of all, they announced the sip

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Speaker 5: of Frink and then they announced that very soon as

712
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Speaker 5: they're going to you know, to have their own currency.

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Speaker 5: So that is the latest about the sip A Frank

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Speaker 5: in the Sell States.

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Speaker 1: That's great now. And for some of relations who aren't

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Speaker 1: familiar what's going on on the content with the health stage. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what they did they broke away from France instead of

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Speaker 1: sending them money to the French treasury. If they had

719
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Speaker 1: to do any major project, they had to get the

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Speaker 1: okay from France, and then the France French companies had

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Speaker 1: the first dips on if it's infrastructure, building an airport,

722
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Speaker 1: you know, or building a building or harbor or whatever,

723
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Speaker 1: you know, major major infrastructures like that, the French people

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Speaker 1: had the first tips and they had to use send

725
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Speaker 1: all their money to the French treasure. Correctly, if I'm

726
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Speaker 1: wrong and I'm saying this, that's like okay, and the French, well,

727
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Speaker 1: then send them back the money. And this is what

728
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Speaker 1: the Sale nations decided to stop. Is that is that

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Speaker 1: you know, I just.

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Speaker 5: Want to yeah, I just want to to just say

731
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Speaker 5: a few thinks, but I will. It's just correct about

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Speaker 5: what they were doing, is that fifty percent of the

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Speaker 5: you know, the foreign reserves of these African countries have

734
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Speaker 5: to be deposited like in the French public treasury. And

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Speaker 5: then so when we want to do like some international transactions,

736
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Speaker 5: so those after the African countries will things in dollars.

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Speaker 5: Then when the money is good, when they get things,

738
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Speaker 5: they do bad things in dollars or when they want

739
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Speaker 5: to get something, the dollars in dollars, dollars converted to

740
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Speaker 5: the euros, and the euros converted to the sleep a

741
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Speaker 5: frink and the French keeps fifty percent and then give

742
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Speaker 5: nine fifty percent for the country to the country. So

743
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Speaker 5: that is the system they put it to place. In

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Speaker 5: recent years, we were told that you know, it is

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Speaker 5: that the fifty percent is no longer in France, but

746
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Speaker 5: we don't know if it is true. But that is

747
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Speaker 5: the reality, and it's also part of the tragedy of

748
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Speaker 5: those African countries.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me actually this is nine away from the

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Speaker 1: top of What about the other Francophone countries like the Gambia, Senegal,

751
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Speaker 1: who else? Court of war? These other countries, what are

752
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Speaker 1: they doing. Are they still sending them money to the

753
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Speaker 1: French treasury as well, or they are considering the breakaway

754
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Speaker 1: like as a hell nations.

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Speaker 5: Oh, but a lot of what they're setting at least leaders,

756
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Speaker 5: particularly the Prime Minister Usman's uncle, who is the leader

757
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Speaker 5: of the party that defeated the former president who was

758
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Speaker 5: the French puppet, they were talking about living the sip

759
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Speaker 5: A frame. But since they've been there, we don't know

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Speaker 5: what they're doing. They don't talk like that anymore. They

761
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Speaker 5: were saying that they could do that collectively with other countries,

762
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Speaker 5: but I don't. I'm not aware of any conversation between

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Speaker 5: Senegal and the Cell States about dropping the sip A.

764
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Speaker 5: Frank so ivery coasts don't even think about it. The

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Speaker 5: president of Ivory Coast, mister Watau, is now the one

766
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Speaker 5: that trying to advance the interest of the French. He's

767
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Speaker 5: been accused of trying to top or even trouble from

768
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Speaker 5: booking a Paso. There's a tension between Ivory coasts and

769
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Speaker 5: booking a Faso so yes, and when there was a

770
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Speaker 5: there was a conversation, I think twenty nineteen not twenty

771
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Speaker 5: nineteen years, there was a conversation when they saw that

772
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Speaker 5: many African leaders and then social activists they were attacking

773
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Speaker 5: the cife Frank. So the first the first the French

774
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Speaker 5: president Imam Macron and then mister Waterap the print of

775
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Speaker 5: A records, both of them, they came and they came

776
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Speaker 5: out and they announced that the safe Frank was going

777
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Speaker 5: to be replaced by Echo Echo e CEO, which was

778
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Speaker 5: supposed to be or which is supposed to be the

779
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Speaker 5: currency of Echo. Was that the many African experts have

780
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Speaker 5: been working on that project for thirty years. And then

781
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Speaker 5: water App the print of ave records said that before

782
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 5: the entire community of the of Echo was before they

783
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 5: used that currency, the French speaking countries in West Africa

784
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 5: will be the first to use Echo in replacement of

785
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Speaker 5: the safe Frink. And then we never saw that project.

786
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 5: We knew that they did that, or they did that

787
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Speaker 5: because they want to throat or they wanted to destroy

788
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Speaker 5: the project put into place by African countries toward their

789
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 5: own currency replacement of ecowas and many other currencies in

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Speaker 5: West Africa.

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Speaker 1: All right, six away from the top of the our

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Speaker 1: doctor Ganako Lagoke family, good morning if you just joined

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Speaker 1: us the Grand Rising discussion. What's going on on the

794
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Speaker 1: continent here and what we're seeing and the discussion is

795
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Speaker 1: based on the vestiges of of colonial rule. They these

796
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Speaker 1: Europeans came up and they carved up Africa and the

797
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: French speaking Africans are in one group. You got the English,

798
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Speaker 1: you got the Portuguese, you got the German. They all

799
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Speaker 1: took a piece of Africa. Right now, our brothers and

800
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: sisters on the continent are pushing back and asking for more.

801
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: They got their so called independence where they still were

802
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: dependent on the mother countries for economy and especially for

803
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the money, especially when the country

804
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Speaker 1: certain minerals as well. Those European mother countries control that.

805
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Speaker 1: And what we're seeing is a pushback from the Sound Nations,

806
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Speaker 1: especially as a group they decided former group and they're

807
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Speaker 1: pushings countries are nic Year, Ebu, Kinofansa and ma Lei.

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Speaker 1: So this is what we're discussing. We've come up on

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Speaker 1: a break. But I got a tweet question for you

810
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Speaker 1: from one of our listeners, doctor Lake, and the listener says,

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Speaker 1: some have inquired about the Pan African conference in Togo

812
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Speaker 1: that's coming up, and Twitter ones know why Togo and

813
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: some have expressed things about the president of Togo and

814
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Speaker 1: the human rights issue in Togo. How will this be

815
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Speaker 1: addressed or has this as this has the history been

816
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: considered of what's going on in Togo? And again Togo

817
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Speaker 1: is one of these French speaking countries, so your thoughts on.

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Speaker 5: That, Yeah, thank you very much. I don't know how

819
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Speaker 5: much time we still have, but I'm going to Turin

820
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Speaker 5: and then be brief. Even though it's a big question.

821
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Speaker 5: The first thing that we need to know is that

822
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Speaker 5: with the African Union, countries can come with some projects.

823
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: The Tagoli is Minister of Foreign Affairs proposed to the

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Speaker 5: African Union, kid of African Routs and African the ASPLA

825
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Speaker 5: and then under the under the auspices of that Decade

826
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Speaker 5: to Go took the initiative to organize the Non Pan

827
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Speaker 5: African Congress and the line of the of the series

828
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Speaker 5: of Panactican cardings initiated by w BD Boy and then

829
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Speaker 5: Ghana for instance, was chosen as the champion for reparations

830
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Speaker 5: and I rey cost my country led by mister Watara

831
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Speaker 5: was chosen as the champion for the second decade of

832
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Speaker 5: Argenda twenty sixty three. And then uh Kenyao we've under

833
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Speaker 5: the leadership of Hutu were chosen, you know, to be

834
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Speaker 5: the champion for climate justice. And there are things like that,

835
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Speaker 5: you know the African Union does. And then I heard

836
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Speaker 5: many people complaining about to go organizing an Pan Afican

837
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Speaker 5: the None and African Congress. But it may be it's

838
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 5: because they don't know how the African Union functions and

839
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Speaker 5: all they forgot that in the history of Pan Africanism,

840
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: states have been involved in organizing Pan African meeting gatherings. Yes,

841
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Speaker 5: the state of Ghana and Kruma is completely different from

842
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: the state of Togo on the leadership for Yasimbe. I agree, are.

843
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hold, I thought right there, doctor Legoki. We gotta

844
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: take a short pat. We got to check the trafficing

845
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities. Now I'll let you finish

846
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: your response on the other side, family YouTube can join

847
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: our conference conversation rather with doctor Ganakala gok reach out

848
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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four to five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take a phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and grand Rising family, thanks for starting your day

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Speaker 1: with us. This Wednesday, it's a hum day. That means

852
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: we're halfway through the work week. After this, it's downhill

853
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: all the way to the weekend. I guess this Doctor

854
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: Ganakola gok is originally from the Court of War, the

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00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: Ivory Coast. It teaches at Lincoln University in Pennsylvania. He's

856
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: like our eyes and ears what's going on, especially in

857
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Speaker 1: the Francophone countries on the continent. The momentary by we're

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Speaker 1: gonna speak with Paula Brice Sims, but let's go back

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00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: to doctor Legg and I'm finished his response to that

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Speaker 1: Tweek question about this upcoming Pan African conference in Togo.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing people saying that they have some concerns

862
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Speaker 1: about Togo hosting this conference. So what have you heard,

863
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: doctor locality finish your thought?

864
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I understand that people have concerns because of

865
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 5: this history of the political system and political regime in Togo.

866
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: I understand that the current president for in smb UH

867
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 5: came to power in some conditions in which or during

868
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 5: which we don't there were human word violations, then there

869
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 5: are some that they are continuing human words volations. In

870
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 5: Togo recently some people were protesting and then some of

871
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 5: them were arrested, and they keep arresting people and some

872
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 5: people were killed. This I understand. On the other side,

873
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 5: on the other hand, we saw that somehow to go

874
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: has decided to organize this congress and the TOG is

875
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 5: given the opportunity for those who want to meet and discuss.

876
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 5: So my question is do we boycott the opportunity do

877
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 5: we take advantage of the opportunity. So that is the

878
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: dilema or the conversation, the equation that many people need

879
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 5: to resolve. I have learned in my journey in politics

880
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: that politics is not about and I'm courting Bible or

881
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 5: the former fronts of agricause. Politics is not about choosing

882
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 5: between the good and the bad. It is a bad

883
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 5: choosing between two good things and you choose, you know,

884
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 5: the better or the best, or it's choosing between two

885
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 5: bad things and then you choose the lesser of the

886
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 5: two evils. So that's the situation my lead that we

887
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: are talking about niche, we are talking about booking off

888
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 5: as that we are talking about Senegal that we are

889
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: talking about. None of those countries want to organize a

890
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 5: real Pan African conversation in order to bring together people

891
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: who want to think about the future of Africa, the

892
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 5: future of Pan Africanism. It is not happening. We try

893
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 5: to have some brothers from the United States who went

894
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 5: to see eventrawly to urge him to organize a Pan

895
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 5: African conference. Myself, I wasn't booking ap as so I

896
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: met the former Prime Minigel of booking up as well.

897
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: I've been talking to people. I tried to do the

898
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: same thing in Senegal. Those leaders, for some reason, they

899
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: don't see the importance of putting together a Pan African

900
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 5: meeting so to go. They expect everything that we think

901
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 5: about them. They want to give the opportunity to people

902
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 5: to meet. So for me, people can be there and

903
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 5: then they discussed and even raise some critical issues. But

904
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: human rights violations that are happening on the concept of

905
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 5: Africa are particularly in to goal. So this is what

906
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 5: this is what I can see. So if people can go,

907
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: if they have the opportunity, if they are invited, they

908
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: can go and then talk about the issues of Palestine

909
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: or Sudan or Congo, and many other elements. So if

910
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 5: now they are there and they're reading these issues and

911
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 5: the government of to Go wants to arrest some people

912
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: or want to silence some people, of course this is

913
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 5: going to be another another issue. So that's my position

914
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 5: on the on the topic.

915
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing that, because for some reason they

916
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: invited me. I don't know how they got mine information

917
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: and all that, so and I haven't decided whether or

918
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: not to go. So that's why I'll ask you that question.

919
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted that question who's going as well? But I

920
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: want to go before we let you go? Though, doctor

921
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: let go? Okay, is there anything we should know what's

922
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: going on with the heal Nations because you just mentioned

923
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about them not not wanting to hold

924
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: the host of Pan African conference conference. It seems to

925
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: be like we're getting radio silence from from the shale nations.

926
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: What's going on there? Real quick?

927
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're doing, like I said, they're doing many good things.

928
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 5: You know, the mean the meant to free their countries. Uh,

929
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 5: you know they're trying.

930
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: But.

931
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 5: Maybe because you know, they were not properly prepared, because

932
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: that's the reality, and they don't understand Pan Africanism. I

933
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 5: understand that. So there are things that they are not

934
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 5: doing when I was there. Uh. In one of the

935
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 5: interviews I gave the I think I don't even know

936
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 5: the radio TV, I spoken about comin Gruma because for us,

937
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 5: everything that we are doing, the compass is Quaminmoun the

938
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: continent of Africa. It was Ghana was the first country

939
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 5: in South Africa to be dependent everything that Kamen Krouma did.

940
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 5: We don't see those people having the historical memory and

941
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 5: we don't see them going back to Cormin Krumer, going

942
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: back to Motivocata, going back to if they want to

943
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: reveal those leaders, they would have largic debate if they

944
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 5: go thereby that's his name, they want to de wilably

945
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 5: understood that no one should go there and tell them,

946
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 5: for instance, to organize but African conferences. It is when

947
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 5: people meet people discuss people started jazz. They do the

948
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 5: assessment of the struggles and the rally social activist somebody

949
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 5: like you, can you imagine how many times you made

950
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 5: me come here to talk about the sides state. They

951
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 5: don't know you and it is not your fault, it

952
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 5: is their fault. And these kind of things. They are

953
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 5: not doing that and then I don't know, we prove

954
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 5: to God that they understand, but soon sooner than better.

955
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 5: But something is not right in the way they're doing

956
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 5: the revolution, all.

957
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Right, my brother.

958
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 5: Last one last thing is that there were some people

959
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 5: under the leadership of some of them. I know that

960
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 5: the brothers them with Balaka doing many things for bookin

961
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: and the revolution. Uh, but the Arica they were supposed

962
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: to go to Booking off As to take one could

963
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 5: I think one thousand Black Americans, the people people of

964
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 5: African descent. We want to help the citizenship of Booking

965
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 5: Apasso and last minute it was canceled. Maybe they have

966
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 5: some good reasons, but people were disappointed. But maybe they

967
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 5: were there were some there was some suspicion. We understand.

968
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 5: Maybe they were not happy about a few things. But

969
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 5: when you do that someone you can bring the spirit

970
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: of people want to support you. That is the latest

971
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 5: and Booking APAs in the relationship with the there as

972
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: for us, Yeah.

973
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: That's kind of disappointed. Well, we'll check with doctor Orion

974
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: counter Charum Borry about that. But thank you doctor Legoka.

975
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping us inform what's going on on

976
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: the continent, especially with the Francophone countries. Thank you for

977
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: sharing your thoughts with us, your family eight Manuyes after top,

978
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: let's switch over now to Polo Price Sims, Grant Rising,

979
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Polar Price Sims, welcome to the program.

980
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 8: Thank you. It's Pamela Boys and Tamela.

981
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: Apologize Pamela, but Pamela again, give us a little bit

982
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: of your background before we talk about this awareness of

983
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: seminar that you have coming up.

984
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 8: Sure, I'm a clinical herbalist. I'm a psychotherapist, and it

985
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 8: was interesting to hear that last conversation. I spent five

986
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 8: years living in Senegal and was married to a Cameroonian

987
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 8: for twenty twenty two years, so it was interesting to

988
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 8: come in on that conversation with that background. Thank you

989
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 8: so much for asking asking the doctor to continue to talk.

990
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 8: So my background is in clinical orbology and I'm a psychotherapist.

991
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 8: I am also I'm CEO of Singularity Botanicals, which is

992
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 8: the nonprofit educational organization that is having the Zoom conference

993
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 8: tomorrow that we're talking about this morning.

994
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: All right, give us the title of the conference though

995
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: I know it's about prostate cancer, but it's got a theme.

996
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Can you share that with us.

997
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 8: Sure thing. The title is the inside story what Black

998
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 8: men are not being told about prostate cancer and new

999
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 8: approaches to men, men and health. That it features doctor

1000
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 8: Otis Brawley, MD. He's a Distinguished Professor of Oncology and

1001
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 8: Epidemiology at John Cope's University. He also was the Chief

1002
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 8: Medical and Scientific Officer for the American Cancer Society from

1003
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 8: two thousand and seven to twenty eighteen. So he's a

1004
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 8: senior advisory to the Singularity Botanicals project and he's going

1005
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 8: to be featured in this webinar Tomorrow. He's author of

1006
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,479
Speaker 8: How We Do Harm A doctor breaks ranks about being

1007
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 8: sick in America. This gentleman literally walks on water in

1008
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 8: the term in terms of the prostate cancer research community

1009
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 8: and community based outreach, etc. So he actually broke ranks

1010
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 8: at one point to write this book to give us

1011
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 8: the backstory to share with us how black men are

1012
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 8: really being treated in the industry. And that's part of

1013
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 8: what Tomorrow Night is about. The other part is a

1014
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 8: team of black complementary integrative medicine holistic practitioners that are

1015
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 8: joined forces with doctor Brawley. So we do integrative oncology

1016
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 8: we're I'm a clinical rbalist. We have acupuncturists, acupressurist, nutritionist,

1017
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 8: massage therapists, counseling therapists, martial arts, martial arts practitioners, etc.

1018
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 8: So we are a team that works with him and

1019
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 8: the webinar tomorrow night is about blending those traditions, the

1020
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 8: conventional medicine and complementary integrative medicine at a time when

1021
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 8: our healthcare system is in crisis, and the Black community

1022
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 8: doesn't have to be a bunch of sitting ducks as

1023
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 8: this as this happens to this webinar is pretty timely.

1024
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 8: One other thing I do want to say about the

1025
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 8: webinar itself, and maybe we can get into that a

1026
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 8: little bit later. It fits into a larger framework of

1027
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 8: building a sustainable, national, community based Black men's health infrastructure

1028
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 8: that's completely cross network, But maybe we can talk about

1029
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 8: that later.

1030
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 9: That was a mouthful about the webinar.

1031
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, well that's great. I mean, it's hot problems,

1032
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: so we've got to figure out a way to solve it.

1033
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: Having said that, though, are you going to talk about

1034
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: why process cancer disproportionately affects black men more than especially

1035
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: black men in this country.

1036
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 8: That's a really vast question. It has to do a

1037
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 8: lot with medical distrust, and which is historically for you know,

1038
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 8: for lots of obvious, obvious reasons. I mean, we have

1039
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 8: black men and people of color have been mistreated by

1040
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 8: the medical systems for a very very long time, and

1041
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 8: we still get the dismissal and the condescension and the

1042
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 8: half information when when we're visiting people.

1043
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 10: So this.

1044
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 8: Network that we're building, the webinar that we're doing, basically

1045
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 8: is to counter medical distrust. And we have lots of

1046
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 8: strategies for doing that. But the first thing is to

1047
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 8: get people information about prostate cancer that is not the

1048
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 8: usual stuff that you get at your four K run

1049
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 8: for prostate cancer are tabling at your usual healthcare situation.

1050
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 8: It's really insightful information that men can take and advocate

1051
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 8: for themselves. As you clearly clearly know, black men are

1052
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 8: more likely than white men to develop prostate cancer, twice

1053
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 8: as likely to die from as a diagnosis rate of

1054
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 8: seventy percent higher than white guys, and we are one

1055
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty percent higher rate in terms of mortality

1056
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 8: than white men. Very often it's because of this medical distrust,

1057
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 8: people will literally wait until they are doubled over in

1058
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 8: pain or something is about to fall off before they

1059
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 8: go to the doctor because of that medical distrust. So

1060
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 8: that's a lot of what doctor Brawley, and what that

1061
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 8: means is that the cancer is deeper, it's worse, it's

1062
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 8: at a more aggressive stage, or they haven't determined whether

1063
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 8: it's an aggressive cancer or not, whether it's just enlargement

1064
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 8: or what's going on there. It's because people do not

1065
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 8: go to the doctor, and they are good reasons for

1066
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 8: that historically. So that's also part of what we're addressing.

1067
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned that. I've got two friends

1068
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: and who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer and refuse,

1069
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: absolutely refuse to any kind of treatment. Just like you said,

1070
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: there's suspicious of the guys in the white coat and

1071
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: they're not sold on hold realistic methods to teach, to

1072
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: cure or to treat cancer. And at the where women

1073
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: are that you're going to have it, is there going

1074
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: to be or is there from your research, is there

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Speaker 1: a cure for cancer? And I'll let you hold that

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Speaker 1: response for money class you're looking at the cop here,

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Speaker 1: We've got to step aside and let you respond to

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Speaker 1: that family just waking up. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: It's fifteen minutes after the top. They are, I guess

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Speaker 1: is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting a webinar on prostate

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Speaker 1: cancer on Thursday. And if you've got you know somebody

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Speaker 1: who's got prostact cancer, who's dealing with you've got issues,

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: this is lady you need to talk to you. You can

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Speaker 1: reach her at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six million. More about this webinar that's coming up,

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for starting your Wednesday with us. At nineteen minutes

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Speaker 1: after the top for the hour, a guest the Pamela

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Speaker 1: Bryce Sims. The Pamela is hosting a prostate cancer awareness

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Speaker 1: seminar on Thursday. This is what we're discussing. Before we

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Speaker 1: left for the break, I told her, I've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of friends who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer

1093
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: and they don't trust traditional medicine and they're not sold

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Speaker 1: on holistic medicine. But they think a Pamela that there's

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Speaker 1: a cure for cancer, and they're holding it from us.

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Speaker 1: That's why I asked you, and you chuckled before your response.

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Speaker 8: What say you, Here's here's something that I think it's

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Speaker 8: going to be helpful, helpful to know. Conventional medicine is

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Speaker 8: one thing. Complementary alternative medicine is another thing, and integrative

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01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 8: medicine combines the two. And what we're talking about here

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Speaker 8: really is integrative medicine. It's not throwing the baby out

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Speaker 8: with the bath water, which is why we work with

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Speaker 8: a pre eminent oncologist, doctor Otis Brawley. So conventional medicine

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Speaker 8: is your your pharmaceuticals and your drugs and your surgery,

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Speaker 8: your radiation diagnostic tests, and you're treating basically symptoms to

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Speaker 8: nuke the symptoms, tamp it down, and it does. It's

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01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 8: not about getting to underlining causes, none of that. It's

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 8: about nuke it, kill it, cut it out. Complimentary, complementary

1109
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 8: and alternative medicine is non mainstream approaches, and when it's integrative,

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Speaker 8: we work right alongside of the oncologist to combine the two.

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Speaker 8: So I want to allay any concerns people have about,

1112
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 8: you know, just going the whole holistic thing and just

1113
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 8: throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It really is

1114
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 8: not that at all. So I just want to I

1115
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 8: want to put that out put put that out there first,

1116
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Speaker 8: and when I talk, I'm going to give you. I

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01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 8: want to give you a little antecdote anecdotes that kind

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 8: of gives you an understanding of how people can really

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Speaker 8: dig deep and get behind what's going on so they

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Speaker 8: know what a good treatment is. This anecdote. Actually, doctor

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Speaker 8: Browley tells this. He was at it at this event

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Speaker 8: where there was a big screening going on, and he

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Speaker 8: was sitting next to this medical marketing guy who was

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Speaker 8: telling him he was that he can look out over

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Speaker 8: a mall prostate cancer screening, or a church screening, or

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Speaker 8: a healthare screening, and for every thousand men fifty years

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Speaker 8: older at one of one of these events, one hundred

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Speaker 8: and forty five he knew this is this is the

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Speaker 8: marketing guy. He knew that of those salvesand one hundred

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Speaker 8: and forty five would have an abnormal screen ten of

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 8: those guys would not have insurance, one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 8: five that remain would investigate their abnormal screen and forty

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Speaker 8: five will have cancer. The medical marketer that was sitting

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Speaker 8: next to him could accurately calculate the number of men

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Speaker 8: who would have radical surgery, the surgery of prototectomy, how

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Speaker 8: many would need radiation therapy, how many would need get

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Speaker 8: the hormonal treatment, and how many would have incontinent so

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 8: badly that they'd opt to have an artificial sphincture if

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Speaker 8: they weren't using divers after the procedure. He knew how

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 8: many he could sell viagra to due to erectile dysfunction.

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 8: He also knew the percentage for whom viagra wouldn't work,

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01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 8: to whom he could sell a penile prosthesis. So basically

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Speaker 8: when but when Brawley asked him, when he was asked,

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Speaker 8: how many lives will you actually save of those thousand men,

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01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 8: and he said, come on, nobody knows if this actually

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 8: saves the saves the lives of men. He was there

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01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 8: specifically to come up with the most invasive, overtreaated overtreatment

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 8: kinds of business plan driven techniques to offer these men

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Speaker 8: so that the industry could make a mint on them.

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Speaker 8: And he was not telling them what Brawley is going

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Speaker 8: to get to in this webinar, the fact that so

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Speaker 8: many types of cancer, prostate cancer are okay for very

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01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 8: close monitoring for all other other types of interventions. But

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Speaker 8: we people jump the gun because of situations that this

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Speaker 8: medical market was hoping, hope, hoping they're going to fall into.

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Speaker 8: We have been trained from day one, cancer cut it out,

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Speaker 8: cancer cut it out the next week, and they count

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Speaker 8: on that and count on the fact that the doctors

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 8: are not saying there are other ways to approach this.

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Speaker 8: There are many different types of surveillance methods that can

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Speaker 8: be aided and embedded, and this is where the complementary

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Speaker 8: integrated medicine comes in by all kinds of other practitioners

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Speaker 8: that can support the oncologists. And so you don't jump

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Speaker 8: the gun and immediately say cut it out, cut it out.

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Speaker 8: You can abide surveillance because you have a whole team

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Speaker 8: of people dealing with any pain, dealing with the enlargement,

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Speaker 8: dealing with the psychological issues, dealing with her herbal interventions

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Speaker 8: that are cleared with the oncologists. So you don't have

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Speaker 8: to jump the gun, because once you have done the

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Speaker 8: most invasive treatment, what you end up with is the

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Speaker 8: quality of life that is you don't necessarily have to have.

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Speaker 8: And he will literally talk about the number of the

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Speaker 8: number of men that have incontinence so badly that it's

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Speaker 8: just untenable concept of self bladder issues that have to

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Speaker 8: have to do with the chemotherapy and the radiation that

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Speaker 8: has damaged the bladder. There are so many a rectile dysfunctions.

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Speaker 8: You literally alter your life when you jump the gun,

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Speaker 8: and the doctors are actually encouraging you to do that

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Speaker 8: because they actually make more money, like the medical marketers said,

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Speaker 8: by having you do the most invasive thing possible. So

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Speaker 8: that's kind of the backdrop for this conversation tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask, this's that medical marketer, how did

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Speaker 1: you come up with those figures? Was he using AI?

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Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence? And family? Let me just say this, it's

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Speaker 1: twenty six minutes off the top of it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's Pamela Bryce seems that's a voice you

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Speaker 1: just heard. She's hosting a prostate cancer awareness webinar seminar

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. So, Pamela, how did they come up with

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Speaker 1: those numbers?

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Speaker 8: Because they have been treating the medical system has been

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Speaker 8: treating men for decades using what they're calling and doctor

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Speaker 8: Boy will address this tomorrow night. Evidence based research that

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 8: very often is old, but basically it has not moved

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Speaker 8: forward because some of the old evidence based research that

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Speaker 8: they have not updated basically paths the bottom line. It

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Speaker 8: drives that medical medical marketers business plan. But they have

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Speaker 8: decades of research just that they've observed. They all they

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Speaker 8: had to do is observed what the mythology behind prostate

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Speaker 8: cancer is and the partial information men are getting to

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Speaker 8: know how many are going to get the prostatectomy, how

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 8: many are going to get the penile implant, how many

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Speaker 8: are going to need VIAGRAA. They it's it's not guesswork.

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Speaker 8: It's not you know, pulling figures from the air.

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Speaker 11: These are seasoned professionals, bean counters, money men that know

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Speaker 11: how much when they look out at look out at

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Speaker 11: that screening that those thousand men, they know exactly.

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Speaker 8: The percentage that will They can't that. No one will

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Speaker 8: mention the surveillance too, No one will mention the other

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 8: methods to so they'll jump the gun, get the most

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 8: radical surgery and then their lives are altered forever. They

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 8: don't have they're not making it up. They have data

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Speaker 8: from men who basically have gone through that process. It's

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Speaker 8: not it's not guesswork.

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Speaker 1: And is this going to be discussed at the webinar tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely positively.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 8: And the gentleman is the book the book again, it's

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Speaker 8: it's a it's been out, it's been out for a while.

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Speaker 8: But he lectures all over the place to anyone, anyone

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Speaker 8: who will who who wants to have a better quality

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 8: of life, how we do harm? A doctor breaks ranks

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 8: about being sick in America, And as I mentioned, the

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 8: complementary integrated medicine comes in, not just is the only

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 8: way to go about things, because as you said, people

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 8: are right to you know, you know, be concerned about

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01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 8: that we work. Complementary integrated medicine works hand in hand

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Speaker 8: with the oncology. So you don't do things to yourself

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 8: and alter your life in ways that are only bankrolling

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 8: the medical medical system, causing you to have a quality

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Speaker 8: of life that is abysmal for the rest of your days.

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Speaker 1: And family, If you're just checking in, I guess again

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: is Pamela Bryce Simpson. She's hosting a webinar, a prostate

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: cancer webinar on Thursday. You got questions about the webinar,

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: questions about prostate cancer, give us a call right now

1235
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight to

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Speaker 1: seventy six, and Pamily, I got to ask you about

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Speaker 1: this complementary integrative medicine. The technique is shoes. Is it

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: just used for cancer ers, it's use of other health issues, ah.

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 8: For everything. We just did a big weapon or a

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 8: month ago on type two diabetes, and it's for for

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 8: chronic illness. It is just off the chart, amazing the

1242
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 8: results we get between herbalists and acicuncturist nutritionness.

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 9: It's just yeah.

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 8: So it's it's complementary integrated medicine is for it excels

1245
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 8: with chronic illness and something my prostate cancer. We work

1246
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 8: side by side with the youngcologists, but we I literally

1247
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 8: can deal very well with with hypertension and uh all

1248
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,480
Speaker 8: all kinds of chronic illness.

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Speaker 1: And this is breast cancer Awareness month. Are you going

1250
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: to have one for the for the ladies.

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Speaker 8: Not coming up. No, but we are open to having

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 8: conversations with women. We have we we want we want

1253
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 8: to make sure that we don't dilute our for it's

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 8: we have a whole. As I mentioned, this prostate cancer

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 8: piece fits into a much larger men's health framework we

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 8: are bringing together. As I mentioned, the whole point here

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 8: is to build a sustainable, community based black men's health

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 8: infrastructure that's nationwide. And the way we're doing that is

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 8: I work, in addition to my team of complementary integrated

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 8: medicine folks, I have a team of men. I'm located

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Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania, not too far down from Philey, so men

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 8: that are based here and do Pennsylvania state wide work.

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 8: But I have a gentleman who is a statewide person

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01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 8: who has national contexts for the Prince Hall Masons, I

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 8: have the Black Letter Black Greek Letter Organization guys represented.

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 8: I have Union represented, union people represented, the HBCUs, the clergy,

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 8: et cetera. So what we're doing, each one of these

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01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 8: men is working nationwide. For example, for the HBCUs, Cheney

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 8: University is right, I can throw a stone from where

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 8: I'm sitting in Pennsylvania and hit Cheney. Cheney University is

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 8: running point for the HBCUs. Now, the Cheney is here

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,440
Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania, but they are networking for prostate cancer awareness

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01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 8: and to build this Black men's health network nationwide through

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01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 8: all of the Cheney chapters throughout the country. So Atlanta

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01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 8: is on board, in North Carolina is on board, et cetera,

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 8: et cetera, and then Cheney wants Cheney get its plate

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01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 8: spinning in the HBCU network. Then it goes to Mahari

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 8: and Howard, et cetera, and we're doing the network there.

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01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 8: But the group of men that come together, it's a

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 8: massive infrastructure because very often the Prince Paul Mason's or

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 8: the Ques or the Alphas are really or the clergy,

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 8: they're doing really stupendous work in their own network promoting

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01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 8: Black men's health, black women's health as well. But very

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Speaker 8: rarely some guys are Masons that are cues and that

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Speaker 8: our clergy, that our cues are alphas, et cetera. So

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Speaker 8: there's that kind of individual crossover, but very rarely for

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Speaker 8: a concerted issue based issue driven life saving life and

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Speaker 8: death issue. Very rarely to the Masons as a as

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Speaker 8: a network, talk to the HBCUs or the cues, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: There is individual crossover. But what we're doing here is

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Speaker 8: literally building a scaffolding, an infrastructure, because you know what

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Speaker 8: is helped happening to our health system, health system now,

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Speaker 8: you know the times that we're living in. If we

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Speaker 8: don't do this for ourselves, we are going to be

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Speaker 8: sitting duck. So you know, the legislation passed three months

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Speaker 8: ago just cut one hundred and eighty six billion dollars

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Speaker 8: from SNAP and medicaid cuts are going to get rid

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Speaker 8: of four hundred four point two million Americans. And guess

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Speaker 8: who is going to be hit hardest. And as we know,

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Speaker 8: the troops are coming to a city near you. It's

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Speaker 8: a tas of time when you know, how did let

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Speaker 8: me let me quote quote an icon here. It's a

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01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 8: time when we literally need to actually stand up take

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Speaker 8: command and control of our own health, uh like. Like

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Speaker 8: Audie Lord said, caring for ourselves is self preservation. That

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Speaker 8: is an act of political warfare. Angela Davis said, If

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Speaker 8: we don't start practicing collective self care now, there is

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Speaker 8: no way to imagine, much less reach a time of freedom.

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Speaker 8: You know, we it's time for us not to behind.

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Speaker 8: You know, as the troops come to the cities, as

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Speaker 8: they cut the programs that our lifeline, our health care

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 8: gets worse and worse, and we don't go near the

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Speaker 8: doctors because of this medical distry trus this infrastructure across

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Speaker 8: these black men's networks literally is to is to form

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Speaker 8: a safety net. So men are hearing guys like doctor

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Speaker 8: Brawley who are giving them back office information. And the

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Speaker 8: other piece of this is we're doing with with him

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Speaker 8: and with with our with our networks, the cues and

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Speaker 8: the Alphas and the hbuc Use, et cetera. Men, the

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Speaker 8: men themselves are recounting their stories their interface with the

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Speaker 8: medical system. They're counting their stories, the condescension, the dismissal,

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Speaker 8: how how their symptoms have been treated, and we're putting

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Speaker 8: together tools. We're calling it a self care self care sovereignty.

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Speaker 8: It's a field guide. It's gonna be multiple, multi multi media,

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Speaker 8: online and existing in lots of different ways. So from

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Speaker 8: the grassroots, community based networking of all of these men's

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Speaker 8: networks were collecting data just like the medical market collect

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Speaker 8: Marketer collected his data on how the system could rip

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Speaker 8: off black men and push them into adverse aggressive treatments

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Speaker 8: when they don't really need it necessarily. We are also

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Speaker 8: collecting our data directly from black men and all of

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Speaker 8: these networks to provide them with tools so they can

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Speaker 8: walk into the oncologist's off oncologist's office, they can walk

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Speaker 8: into the urologist's office and they know what questions to ask.

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Speaker 8: They're not going to be given their run around. Their

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Speaker 8: their families, their wives, their sisters, as their brothers that

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01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 8: they can communicate with will have the information. So we

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Speaker 8: are not sitting ducks in these times where we don't

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Speaker 8: have the luxury of laying back in the cut and

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Speaker 8: doing nothing. So that's a bigger picture of what this

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Speaker 8: is all about, which obviously involves women, involves family networking,

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Speaker 8: is comprehensive. We're just starting because these men are dropping dead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, listen, we've got to step asund and get

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: caught up on the news, traffic and weather at different

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Speaker 1: stations and different cities. But James and Delaware has a

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01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: question for you, and the more calls for coming in

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01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: as well. They want to know more about the seminar,

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: But we'll do that after we check the traffic, weather

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: and the news in our different cities. At twenty four

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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of our family, our guess

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Speaker 1: is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting a prostate cancer awareness

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01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: webinar that's is going to take place on Thursday. You

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Speaker 1: wanted more information, reach out to us at eight hundred

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01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we

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Speaker 1: take calls after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning,

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01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: the hump Day. We're halfway through the work week with

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Speaker 1: our guest, the Pamela Brice Sims. She's hosting a prostate

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Speaker 1: cancer awareness a webinar that's going to take place on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We're going to give you some more information about that,

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01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: and we've got some folks who want to speak to her.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morning, one of our top scholars

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Speaker 1: will be here. That'll be Brother May new and Pim

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: bro May. And you was one who detected that the

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Speaker 1: Willa Lynch letter was a fake. As you listen to

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Speaker 1: this program, don't go around quoting Willy and let It

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,799
Speaker 1: was a fake. He did this decades ago. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: he's going to talk about the history of African leaders

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Speaker 1: like kings, queens and chiefs and all that and how

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Speaker 1: that came about. So he's coming up next. Also tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from Detroit activist's sister, Shashana Shakur. There's

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Speaker 1: a movement in Detroit going after the homes and the

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Speaker 1: mortgagees of some of our folks in the inner city

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Speaker 1: of Detroit. So she's going to give us an update

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Speaker 1: on that. Also, Professor James Small is going to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's going to talk about a side of Shakur and

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: also a black agenda. What we should be doing now

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01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: that you know the Trump administration's got all the rest

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01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: of the country all royals up, how we can take

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Speaker 1: advantage of this situation. Also flip that stock to Jr.

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Speaker 1: Fenn would cool be here? Brother Jr is always advocating

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Speaker 1: that we should get him involved in the stock market.

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Speaker 1: We can get in that game. It's not just for

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01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: the other folks. So they're all going to be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep your

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01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV rolling on FM ninety five point

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Speaker 1: nine and AM fourteen fifty w L and Pama mentioned

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Speaker 1: folks want to talk to you, so let me take

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Speaker 1: some calls for you online too. James is reaching out

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Speaker 1: to us from Delaware. Grand Rising jameshow and Pamela Bryce

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Speaker 1: Sims Grand.

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Speaker 4: Rioting today have a couple of questions. One is is

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Speaker 4: prostate cancer reversible.

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Speaker 5: And two is what what is.

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Speaker 4: The substitute I can eat in place of cakes and

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Speaker 4: sugar and things of that.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Uh, the first the first part of your question,

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Speaker 8: it depends on what kind of prostate cancer you have,

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 8: and that is that's the kind of thing we need

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01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 8: more education on.

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Speaker 12: There.

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Speaker 8: There is prostate cancers that are aggressive and prostate cancers

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Speaker 8: that are not aggressors. Aggressive localized prostate cancer is very

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01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 8: definitely treatable. You can have a very very long, very

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Speaker 8: very long life, go into remission, et cetera. But again

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Speaker 8: it's getting it, you know, figuring out your strategy early on.

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Speaker 8: If it is metastasized in other metastatic classic cancer that

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Speaker 8: spread to other parts of the bodies, that's a different question. So,

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Speaker 8: and it depends. One thing that we do differently in

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Speaker 8: complementary integrated medicine than conventional medicine is we're looking at you,

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Speaker 8: not throwing drugs against the wall or treatments against the

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Speaker 8: wall to try and figure out a generic treatment for you.

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Speaker 8: So it's very very easily taken care of, much more

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Speaker 8: easily taken care of. If it is localized and reversible,

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Speaker 8: then it is reversible. Metastatic classic cancer, that's the whole

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Speaker 8: other ball game. But we have active surveillance that can

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Speaker 8: be done for cancers that are localized, that can we

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Speaker 8: just do regular monitoring with biopsies, have any changing, any changes,

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Speaker 8: so you can live a long life and that's and

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Speaker 8: good quality life.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 8: The more radical versions are surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: But the answer to your question is yes, it's reversible. Yes,

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Speaker 8: remission is very possible, but it completely depends on you

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Speaker 8: and when you have detected it. What was the second

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Speaker 8: part of your question?

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Speaker 4: Substitutes that I can eat in place of the sugars,

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Speaker 4: the cakes, the cookies, the candy, cookies and cakes for me,

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Speaker 4: we have.

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Speaker 8: An absolutely superb licensed nutritionist who's.

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Speaker 9: Right in the DC.

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Speaker 8: Well, you're in Delaware, you're closer to me, right.

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Speaker 4: Right in the I'm from BC.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, she's right right in the right in the

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Speaker 8: DC area, and she can get we put together comprehensive

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Speaker 8: plans to move people away from sugar spiked foods, things

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Speaker 8: things like pumpkin pumpkin seeds, and uh, if you can

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Speaker 8: do a meatless Monday, that would also you know, if

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01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 8: you can just it's hard to let go of animal protein.

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Speaker 8: But if you can do a beatless Monday and kind

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Speaker 8: of back your way off of that, that's a good thing.

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01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 8: But I to answer your question in one felt swoop.

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Speaker 8: There is an influencer online on YouTube. His name is

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Speaker 8: Javant J.

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Speaker 6: A V A and T.

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Speaker 8: I'm not associated with this guy at all. We're actually

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Speaker 8: trying to get We're trying to get him to connect

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Speaker 8: with our project. He has on YouTube, he's also on Instagram.

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Speaker 8: You look at the food that this man. This man,

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Speaker 8: he is the peak of physical health. He is exquisitely

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Speaker 8: muscled and strong and fit. He's vegan, so it's Javant

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01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 8: healthy vegan eating. You don't have to go vegan immediately.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to go budg tarrying immediately. You just

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01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 8: go gradually, gradually, gradually to shift your giant with the

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Speaker 8: assistance that we can. I can if you, I guess,

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01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 8: call call into the station, or I have an email

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Speaker 8: address I can give you. I can put you in

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Speaker 8: touch with a nutritionist. But I want to answer your

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Speaker 8: question quickly. Javant J A V A n T. You

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Speaker 8: will see food that is so delectable and attractive that

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Speaker 8: is healthy for you on this site.

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Speaker 9: I love that, right.

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Speaker 4: And then last question, the last question to actless surveillance.

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Speaker 4: I guess the only thing with act the surveillance is

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Speaker 4: that's the concern, the worry of going back to the

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Speaker 4: doctor every six months to see had the cancer spratter

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Speaker 4: than that. That's the only that's the only thing about

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Speaker 4: the act of surveillance to me, take talk to me.

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Speaker 8: A little more. Is it going back into six months

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Speaker 8: six months because you don't want to take time off

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Speaker 8: from work. Is it going back every six months because

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Speaker 8: it's just too much doctoring in your life?

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Speaker 13: What? What?

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Speaker 8: What makes the six months saying a challenge?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's not a challenge. But from my understanding,

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Speaker 4: that was active surveillance. You go every six months just

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Speaker 4: to see how the cancer is doing. And I guess

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Speaker 4: sometimes it could be aware of like okay, it started

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Speaker 4: out as a stage one before I'm going back every

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Speaker 4: six months, had to spread it a little bit. You

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Speaker 4: know those nerves around the fifth month, you know those

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Speaker 4: nerves are kicking. Well, one that hasn't spread it, whether

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Speaker 4: whether it be where it be.

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Speaker 9: Moving to stage two.

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Speaker 4: Because my wife sent me a video last night with

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Speaker 4: Montell whims. I think a Montell Jordan, the singer, he

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Speaker 4: had a stage one, but then he went back to

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Speaker 4: the doctor and realized, well he had this park. They

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Speaker 4: would move and they would mooved it. It didn't advanced

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Speaker 4: to a stage two unknowingly. So that's my thing. I'm

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Speaker 4: just like, like, is there a concern behind and doing

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Speaker 4: active savannas? All right, they caught it early, but when

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Speaker 4: I'm going every six months, what's the chances what's the

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01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 4: chances that the spring that is.

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Speaker 8: Is perfect perfect question for where we're going with this

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01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 8: complementary integrated medicine. When you are entering a space where

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01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 8: it's not just seeing a doctor for fifteen minutes and

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01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 8: doing the labs, et cetera every six months, where you're

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01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 8: concerned you're not getting enough information. The doctor doesn't really

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01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 8: have time to talk with you. He's doing what he

1503
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 8: has to do to figure out what the chemical chemical

1504
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 8: balance in your body is. But what our team does.

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01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 8: The nutritionist is there with you all of the time

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01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 8: if there's any pain, any discomfort, Acupuncture. We also have

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01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 8: a hypnotherapist as well acupuncture. We have an African martial

1508
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 8: arts that has combined martial arts guy that is getting

1509
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 8: the energy to flow through your body consists consistently. I

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01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 8: work with medicinal herbs, which means that if you are

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01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 8: under surveillance, there are so many conditions so hated with

1512
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 8: what the neurologist is working with and what your oncology

1513
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 8: is working with, and I can handle with medicinal herbs

1514
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 8: so that you're not just there flapping in the breeze

1515
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 8: by yourself wondering it's three months, in four months in

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01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 8: have to go to the doctor. You've got people that

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01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 8: know what to look for, who are talking to your consistently,

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01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 8: that are providing you with interventions that are for example,

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01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 8: if you're concerned with all the sugars and the cakes,

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01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 8: et cetera, that is going to a lifestyle like anything

1521
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 8: is going to predispose you just comorbidities that kind of

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01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 8: push you further down the prostate cancer line. I can

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01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 8: give you tinctures that will deal with sugar in your

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01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 8: blood and the nutritionness will work with your diet. So

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01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 8: it's a constant, steady dialogue with an entire team of people,

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01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 8: and we also have counselors. As you said, your nerves

1527
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 8: start going, you know, you worried, there's anxiety. A lot

1528
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 8: of guys have depression down the pianet pipe consider because

1529
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 8: you know, if they're considering the more radical things. We

1530
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 8: have a whole team of folks that can meet your

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01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 8: need as you're going through this journey, which I was

1532
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,520
Speaker 8: just you know, that's why we work with the oncologists.

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01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 8: But we are there to make certain that you don't

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01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 8: jump the gun because, as I mentioned, when you do

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 8: that literally alters the whole course of your quality of life.

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01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 8: So we are there with you so you don't get

1537
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 8: hyper anxious about this whole thing, and we are checking.

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01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 8: We know what to look for between those appointments. Does

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01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 8: that that help a little bit answer your question?

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01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Right? He hung up, But we're six minutes away from

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01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the top thing. I were racing the clock. Got some

1542
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: more people want to talk to you. Got some tweet

1543
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: questions for you as well, Pamela, And if you're just

1544
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 1: checking a family, this is Pamela Bryce Sims. She's hosting

1545
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: a prostate cancer Awareness yebinar on Thursday. This tweet question says,

1546
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, is there a link between prostate cancer and diabetes?

1547
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: Does sugar? Does sugar feed cancer cells?

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01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 8: Apps? Sugar is a drug sugar is toxic. And I

1549
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 8: say that straight up knowing that is how hard it is.

1550
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 8: It's like taking cocoa patter out of brownie. That's how

1551
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 8: hard it is to get sugar out of our diet.

1552
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 8: But what we will go through with you, and to

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01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 8: answer the question, the answer is yes, there are comorbidities,

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01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 8: meaning simultaneously occurring health conditions that push you further down

1555
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 8: the prostate cancer root in the direction you don't want

1556
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 8: to go. In hypertension, the things that our community suffers

1557
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 8: with chronically, obesity, hypertension, TY two diabetes. All of these

1558
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 8: are pre diabetic red flags for fertile ground for prostate cancer.

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01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 8: And to answer the question about what sugar sugar does

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01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 8: in the body, it literally is a toxic drug. So

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01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 8: anything that if you have something that is brewing sugar

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01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 8: is going to literally put you put you over the top.

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01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 8: And which which is why this whole team of folks

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01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 8: will deal with that before you're pre diabetic, if you're

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01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 8: pre diabetic, before you're diabetic, and if it's pushing you

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01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 8: to a prostate cancer, do interventions that are not invasive

1567
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 8: that can pull you back from the brink.

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01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: All right, Hold that though, right, there. Santra wants to

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01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: speak to you. Also got some more tweets for you

1570
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: as well at Pamela, but we've got to step aside

1571
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: and take our last look at the traffic and weather

1572
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: in our different cities. It's four minutes away from the

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01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: top Ai family. It's just checking in our guess the

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01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Pamelet Price sims she's hosting a prostate a prostate cancer

1575
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: awareness webinar on Thursday. You want to get more information,

1576
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

1577
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

1578
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: after the traffic and weather update that's next. And Grand

1579
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning.

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01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I guess this Pamelet Price sims she's hosting a prostate

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01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: cancer wearenes webinar that's going to take place on Thursdays.

1582
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: You're going to give us more information about that before

1583
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: she leaves. As I mentioned before we left for the

1584
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: traffic and weather updates, Sondra wants to speak to her.

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01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: So the Sandra's calling from Baltimore Online one Sondra Grand Rising,

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01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: y'all way, Pamela.

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01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 13: Good morning, grand ads, and call to you and your guests.

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01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 13: My first question I'd like to ask you, are you

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01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 13: board sertified?

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01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 8: The oncologist that we work with is board certified and

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01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 8: he is the expert called on globally for consultations on

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01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 8: prostate cancer.

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01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 13: My second question is are you white? No?

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01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 8: I was sorry, No I'm not.

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01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 13: My third question is why is it that every now

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01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 13: and then they will pick out a disease and come

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01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 13: to the Black community to inform the Black community about

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01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 13: if it was diabetes, after that it was kidney. Now

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01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 13: you come back with prospier cancer. Why is it that

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01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 13: every six or seven years you pick out a disease

1601
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 13: and you come back and you pick it up and

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01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 13: you labeled it as Now you're labeling this as integration medicine.

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01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 13: Right before, diabetes was mostly black and then they were

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01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 13: saying amitate, amitate, imitate. Black people did that. Also with cancer,

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01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,719
Speaker 13: they were saying, you have to have an operation before

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01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 13: it get too bad. With prosible cancer, black people did that,

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01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 13: and they also were Dallas and they found out that

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01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 13: half of the treatments they was giving black people really

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01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 13: wasn't even necessary to go through all of that. All

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01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 13: they had.

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01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: All let's get a chance to respond. Thank you, Sandra,

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01:33:54,520 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: thank you for reaching out to us this morning. All righty, Pamela, yes, yes,

1613
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: do you want to respond to anything? She said, Well, she.

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01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 8: Is right, that's basically what we're talking about when we

1615
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 8: talk about medical distrust. We don't trust the medical system

1616
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 8: because they've been messing over us for four hundred No,

1617
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 8: for as long as the medical system is has been

1618
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 8: as it is now, and before that there was nothing

1619
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 8: for us. We basically had to take care of ourselves.

1620
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 8: So she's absolutely reflecting the sentiment that basically everybody has.

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01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 8: The whole point here is that we have an opportunity,

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01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 8: given the mess the healthcare system is in now, what

1623
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 8: is happening politically to organize get smart information from people

1624
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 8: like doctor Brawley who know so that they don't just

1625
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 8: people just don't dive bomb into the black community and say, okay,

1626
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:55,480
Speaker 8: you need this, which basically which usually serves their financial

1627
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 8: purposes and not our health care needs. The whole point

1628
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 8: behind the web are tomorrow and what the bigger picture

1629
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 8: that is part of is we can take command and

1630
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 8: control of our own healthcare self care sovereignty, health care sovereignty.

1631
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 8: But Soandra, I can hear as you're speaking the frustration

1632
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 8: we all have at being messed over, studied, condescended to

1633
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 8: patronize for a really long time. So and that's not

1634
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,879
Speaker 8: going to stop from the mainstream. So we have one option,

1635
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 8: and that is ourselves.

1636
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: That's right. We got to take advantage of it. I'm

1637
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: so happy that you're doing this because a lot of times,

1638
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: all these specialists that you have, if they're working for

1639
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: other folks, but you've put together a team that's working

1640
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: for us. It looks like us, and you know, handling

1641
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: a problem that affects us disproportionately. So I appreciate what

1642
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: you're doing. But anyway, apparently got a tweet here from

1643
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: brother in Buffalo. He says he had a prostate exam.

1644
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: An outreach was made at a church to get manscreen.

1645
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Everything was perfect. I keep getting mailing and phone call

1646
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: about follow ups and appointments. It's like they're misleading or

1647
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: got the info mixed up with someone else. It is

1648
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: the largest institution in the area, and it makes me

1649
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: question their massive outreach motive. How do you trust them

1650
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: when they start off by not having their info correct?

1651
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 8: Don't The answer to his question is, well, I'm talking

1652
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 8: about medical mistrust, and I'm saying, don't trust, but you know,

1653
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 8: once they get your information at those screenings. That's really

1654
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 8: the mentality of the medical marketer that was talking to

1655
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 8: doctor Browi that I referenced earlier. Once they've got you,

1656
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 8: they will try to worry you. They will try to

1657
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 8: raise the anxiety level until you feel that there's something

1658
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 8: that you have to do that they can make money up.

1659
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 8: So that's what I'm saying. It's but it's not about

1660
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 8: just forget what they're saying in all of their outreach

1661
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 8: or or just ignore the fact that prostate cancer is

1662
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 8: a risk for black men per read about over the

1663
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 8: all men at a certain age a black above forty.

1664
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 8: But get good information, which is what we're about. If

1665
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 8: he's concerned about their telling the truth in all likelihood,

1666
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 8: if they're really pushing this stuff at him, they're trying

1667
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 8: to make money, but don't do nothing. Get information from

1668
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 8: the right place. And again I would recommend doctor Otis

1669
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,759
Speaker 8: Brawley and his books. Just look look it up on Amazon.

1670
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 8: You can pick that up.

1671
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 1: And let me just say, assistants invited to this webinar

1672
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: because you know there's some hard headed brothers out there Pamela,

1673
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: who have the issues, and you know they were reluctant

1674
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: because of what we talked about when it comes to

1675
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: health issues in this country for black folks. So that's

1676
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: sort of reluctant. Can the sisters come to this webinar?

1677
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 8: Can they drag that retally open invitation? Yes, we have

1678
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 8: families need to be part of this. This is comprehensive.

1679
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 8: It's holistic when when we sit and talk to men

1680
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 8: and it's about what's going on in the house and

1681
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 8: the family with wife and kids and all the rest

1682
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 8: of it. Those are the stressors in addition to type

1683
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 8: two diabetes or hypertension or are obviously those those comorbidities

1684
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 8: that push push you toward a state of health which

1685
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 8: could make you vulnerable prospect cancer.

1686
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 9: Stress.

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01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 8: There's a term called weathering that is specific to people

1688
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 8: of color, specifically to the Black Americans that have suffered systemic,

1689
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 8: system a system systemic and systematic racist racism for four

1690
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 8: hundred years. And there is now the luminous amounts of

1691
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 8: information studies that link lousy, worse health care outcomes directly

1692
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 8: to stress and systematic racism. It's now the correlation is

1693
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 8: not even a question anymore. So mothers being there, sisters

1694
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 8: being their wives being there. It takes all of us

1695
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 8: to collectively deal with the stress we are under every

1696
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 8: single day living in this country. So yes, the long

1697
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 8: answer to your question, yes, women are very much welcome.

1698
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: And is it the diet that's causing the you know,

1699
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: the why project cancer disproportionate effects and breast cancer for women?

1700
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: Is it what we eat? Is that the problem?

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01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 8: The diet is a lot of it. A lot of

1702
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 8: it has to do with the fact that we've been

1703
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 8: redlined into tox toxic environments where breathing in all kinds

1704
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 8: of carcinag doesn't and toxins in the air. We have

1705
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 8: again we talked about structural racism. We have been redlined

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Speaker 8: into areas where we live next to oil refineries and

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01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 8: we live next to trash and steam trash, trast to

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01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 8: steam clips, and we live next to chemical will run off,

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Speaker 8: and we live in areas where our water is crappy.

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Speaker 8: That also in addition to the standard American diet which

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Speaker 8: is killing the entire population. And unless people are aware

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01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 8: of what you in your mouth and what it's doing

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01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 8: in your body, it is a big problem. So to

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Speaker 8: answer your question, Carl, Yes, it is diet, but it's

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Speaker 8: also the fact that so many of us have been

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01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 8: redlined into communities where breathing in toxins every single day

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Speaker 8: that also contributes. The stress is also a part of it.

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Speaker 8: The comorbidities like hypertension is also a function of stress,

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Speaker 8: which also combines with the type two diabetes to be

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Speaker 8: a comorbidity that pushes you in that direction. It's not

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Speaker 8: any one think diet is major, but it's not just that.

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Speaker 8: It's the way we have been forced to live in

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Speaker 8: this country, where we have been forced to live, the

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Speaker 8: fact that there are food deserts and where we can't

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01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 8: get healthy, fresh food, and environments where we live. It's

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Speaker 8: just so many things, which is why we really do need,

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01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 8: as you said, teams of black folk working on behalf

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01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 8: of black folks, because everybody else is just trying to

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01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,879
Speaker 8: make money off of this. We know what our community

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01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 8: look like, and we know it's a multi factor thing,

1731
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 8: so we all of us need to it's and you know,

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01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 8: it takes a village. We need the collective to look

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01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 8: at how we deal with the trusted steam plant and

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Speaker 8: our diet, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, I appreciate the fact that you've got

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Speaker 1: some of our finest and brightest, brilliant minds who are

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01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: working on this, because I often said, if we could

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01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: get all of our smart brothers and sisters that are

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01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: out there but they're working for the other folks, if

1740
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 1: they could come back into our community and help build

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01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: the community, help build us up, use that expertise that

1742
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: they have, we're way better off. But they're working for

1743
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: that folks, And this is what you're putting together on

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01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: the seminar. So this give us some more information before

1745
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: we let you go about the webinar. Who can get involved,

1746
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: how to get on, what other contacts. And also leave

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01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: us with an email addressing, because you know, we got

1748
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: folks who are sort of reluctant when we talk about

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01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: health that I want to anybody know about that business.

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01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I understand that, but they will check in, So just

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01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: leave it. Give us all the info I can.

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01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 8: It's going to be at six thirty tomorrow evening, six thirty,

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01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 8: six thirty to eighty thirty, that's correct eas Eastern time.

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01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 8: It's on Zoom and I can give you my the

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01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 8: email address if you want the link. It's past flyers

1756
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 8: and the rest of it time if you want, if

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01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 8: you want me to send you the link, it's PBS

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01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 8: by Public Broadcast System for Pamela Voice SIMS, PBS at

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01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 8: Singularity Botanicals dot net, PBS at Singularity Botanicals dot net

1760
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 8: and Singularity Botanicals is the web is the website, so

1761
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 8: if you want to check that out beforehand, And if

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01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 8: you go on the website Singularity Botanical dot net and

1763
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 8: click on projects, you'll actually see there are pictures with

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Speaker 8: the credentials of our our men's group, the unions and

1765
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 8: the and the HBCUs, etcetera. For the men's group, that's

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Speaker 8: one drop down and on the other one is the

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Speaker 8: actual Complementary Integrated Medicine team. So Singularitypotanticals dot net, click

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Speaker 8: on projects and there are two drop down pieces. You

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01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 8: can actually see our faces to get our credentials, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: But the email again is key BS at Singularity Botanicals

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Speaker 8: dot net.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Pamela, Thank you for putting this together.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully a lot of these brothers and sisters are

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Speaker 1: members of our family, because this is a lot of

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01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: work putting this together. Will show up tomorrow because you know,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, there's a lot of distrust in the

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01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: other folks. You can be a family checking tomorrow. If

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01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: you know somebody you just pass on the information to.

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Speaker 1: This is a problem that we have. We have to

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Speaker 1: solve our own problems. And I thank you for putting

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Speaker 1: this panel together, Pamela.

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Speaker 8: It has been my pleasure. Thanks so much, Carl.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's Pamela, Bryce, Simms, family and Newt turn

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Speaker 1: our attention that to ourk's guest, who happens to be

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Speaker 1: one of our top scholars, Professor made new Pin, Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 9: The Grand Rising and Shining brother, Carl. I'm glad to

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Speaker 9: be back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, let's get straight to it. But we're talking

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Speaker 1: about traditional kingship in Africa. I'm just wondering how they

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Speaker 1: are brothers and sisters on the kind of even the ancestors.

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Speaker 1: How do they select their leadership, because you know, do

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Speaker 1: they have do they vote, you know, in traditional way

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01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: or it's just somebody or is royalty like the Brits,

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01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're just born into leadership. How did all

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Speaker 1: that come about?

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Speaker 9: Well, that's that's a great question to start with, because

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Speaker 9: what we know from our experience here in the US

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Speaker 9: is that more and more now the people of self

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Speaker 9: appointed kings and queens, and so they have to inform

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Speaker 9: us that their royalty. But in traditional Africa it's pretty

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01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 9: much hereditary. So leadership in Traditional Africa is not elected,

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01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 9: but always selected. And the value of selecting leadership is

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01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 9: that we see from ancient times and it continues to

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Speaker 9: the present that at a very early age they're taught

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Speaker 9: protocol and they're groom to be leaders that are working

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Speaker 9: in the best interests of the community that they.

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Speaker 4: Have the.

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Speaker 9: Jurisprudence over or the governance over. And so this is

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Speaker 9: very important. I mean, I remember one of the as

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Speaker 9: I look at modern African kingship and queenship, one of

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Speaker 9: the great images is Queen Hatshepsu's daughter from Kimi, and

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Speaker 9: this is the Eighteenth dynasty, about thirty five hundred years ago.

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Speaker 9: One of the great statues.

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Speaker 1: Is the.

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Speaker 9: Personal tutor of Hatshepsu's daughter as sin In Moot. So

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Speaker 9: sin In Moot actually has Nepheru Rah, the daughter of Hatships,

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Speaker 9: sitting on his lap as he was the personal tutor,

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Speaker 9: and it shows clearly that the leadership is groomed from

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Speaker 9: a very early age, and this is pretty much the

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Speaker 9: common thread throughout Africa, so that leadership is always selected

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Speaker 9: and groomed as royalty, and it's not just somebody self

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Speaker 9: appointing themselves as as some leader or generalizing the state

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Speaker 9: that everybody is a king and everybody is a queen.

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Speaker 9: It's not like that. So we have these great traditions

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Speaker 9: from the past that still continue in the present and

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Speaker 9: they're not just symbolic. And in many cases they the

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Speaker 9: this uh, this royal family of this uh, this high

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Speaker 9: level tradition has a direct, a direct impact on modern life,

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Speaker 9: modern politics, modern and modern economy, and it's very important.

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Speaker 9: It's not simply symbolic. So we can learn quite a

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Speaker 9: lot from that if we look at African tradition and

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Speaker 9: how the leaders come about, because clearly we see in

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Speaker 9: our own experience here that if leadership is not selected

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Speaker 9: and groomed at a very early age, and then you

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Speaker 9: can elect criminals and scoundrels who can become leaders if

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Speaker 9: they have enough money or enough ability to articulate a message.

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Speaker 9: Because we've had criminals in many instances that are very articulate,

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01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,839
Speaker 9: but they don't have the best interest of the community

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Speaker 9: at heart. So this is why I've been dedicated and

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Speaker 9: focused to traditional African cultural leadership and royalty, for example,

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Speaker 9: in order to see how it is that Africans worked

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Speaker 9: out their problems in the past that can help us

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Speaker 9: in the present.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hold, I thought right there, because we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few months when you come back,

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01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: because you know, we've made some folks from the continent

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Speaker 1: and they say they're chief or the dad's a king

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01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, and we don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's telling the truth. We don't know how to

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Speaker 1: verify it, or if they just run the game. Explain

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Speaker 1: that for us? Do these titles pass on to through

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01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: family lineage and all of that. We need to know

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Professor Ampim seventeen minutes at the

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Speaker 1: top of our family. Just check it in. I guess

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Speaker 1: there's Professor at Menu Ampim from Contracosta Colle out in California.

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Speaker 1: Got a question about the continent. Reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls. Next and grand

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Speaker 1: rising family ages as joining us. I guess is Professor

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Speaker 1: May New mpin from Contra Costa College in California. Northern

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Speaker 1: California's where this morning, we're talking about the lineage of kings, queens, leaders,

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Speaker 1: how they choose them, because you know, now it's prevalent

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Speaker 1: to hear folks talk about the fact that she's my

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Speaker 1: queen or he's my king and all of that. But

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Speaker 1: where does that come from? We're gonna break that down

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Speaker 1: for us as well. Before we go on, though a call,

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Speaker 1: I wanted the information about past the guest. I wanted

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Speaker 1: the information about the seminar or the webinar, and the

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Speaker 1: information is PBS at Singularity Botanical dot net. Again, that's

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Speaker 1: PBS at Singularity Botanical dot net and people concerned with

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01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: prostate cancer. That's where that webinar is going to be held.

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Speaker 1: But our last guest, Pamela, was doing that for us,

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Speaker 1: Pamela Bryce Siems Professor MPM. So let's get to it,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I met so many you know, brothers

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Speaker 1: and sisters and they say they king, so am a

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01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: prince and all of this stuff, and there's no way

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Speaker 1: to verify whether they are or not. Tackle that issue

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Speaker 1: for us first.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's that's an important question. Yesterday I had the

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Speaker 9: privilege of discussing with and interviewing King dasebre kibu Iwusi

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Speaker 9: from Central o Ghana. He's passing through here in the

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Speaker 9: Oakland Bay area and towards the end of the discussion,

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Speaker 9: I had mentioned to him all of the people claiming

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Speaker 9: kingship and queenship, and he said that there's a price

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Speaker 9: to pay for that for people just coming up with

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Speaker 9: and making up titles, because that's become more and more common.

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01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 9: So some of it clearly is not legitimate because a

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01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 9: person wouldn't just have to announce make these kinds of announcements.

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01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 9: You would really know it. You would see it by

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01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 9: you know, they would have an entourage, they would have

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01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 9: a court for example, and it's just a certain protocol.

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01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 9: And so when people have to make that announcement, that's

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01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 9: one red flag. But you clearly could act, you know, first,

1895
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 9: could ask a series of questions and just make observations

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01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 9: as to whether or not this is real. But it's

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01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 9: more and more people and he mentioned that this is

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01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 9: one of the focuses of kings and because of the

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01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 9: fact that and Ghanem, for example, they have the National

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01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 9: House of Chiefs, so they governed sixteen different regions and

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01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 9: this House of Chiefs. There are kings and then there

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01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 9: are chiefs. And the difference is that a king really is.

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01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,719
Speaker 9: The British will call them a paramount chief. They wanted

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01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 9: to reduce the title from king, to make it less

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01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 9: than the British title of kingship and just make them

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01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,719
Speaker 9: a paramount chief. But they're really kings. And those kings

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01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 9: have chiefs or people who who govern beneath them in

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01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 9: different areas. So they all are concerned about this, uh,

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01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 9: this growing fraud that takes place, and it's certainly not

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01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 9: just in Ghana, but uh that's one area and other

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01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 9: areas where people really have to be careful. And then

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Speaker 9: here in the US, as you mentioned, people are just

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01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 9: using the title randomly without meaning, and they cheapen the office,

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01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 9: they cheapen the title, and they completely distort the legacy.

1915
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 9: So this is not a small thing when we're looking

1916
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 9: at tradition, and not just the tradition just to say

1917
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 9: that we had one, but the tradition that we've come

1918
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 9: from is the foundation for high level African achievement in

1919
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 9: the world because there's always structure, there's protocol, and everyone

1920
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 9: plays a role. But to think that everybody's kings and

1921
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 9: queens or that someone can just make an announcement and

1922
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:01,640
Speaker 9: and and and it's and there it the case is

1923
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 9: not an issue. But they're really say that that's one

1924
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 9: of the things that they're focused on to make sure

1925
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 9: that people were masquerading, that they pay a price for

1926
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 9: the misrepresentation of presenting themselves as royalty when they're not.

1927
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 14: Well.

1928
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 1: Let me jump and ask you this question at twenty

1929
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: four after tab our family just joining us. I guess

1930
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Speaker 1: is Professor mean new and Penn from contract Ouste College

1931
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: out in northern California, Professor Ampin when they say king,

1932
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: is it a linagy because you know, when we think

1933
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: about royalty, you know, unfortunately it's mostly white royalty, British royalty.

1934
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: You know we went for they got now King Charles

1935
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 1: and Queen Elizabeth and they go back and back. So

1936
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: it's in the bloodline. Is it the same thing for

1937
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: our African brothers and sisters.

1938
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,479
Speaker 9: Yes it is, Yeah, it's it's definitely in the blood line.

1939
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 9: It's in the genetic heritage. And we see it going

1940
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 9: back to classical Africa. We see it going back to

1941
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 9: the first of the classical African civilizations or cush. We

1942
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 9: see it in Kimming and we definitely see it in

1943
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 9: West Africa as well. So people would trace the royal

1944
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 9: lineage through either the line of the mother, which you

1945
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 9: call the matrilineal or in some cases the line of

1946
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 9: the father, which we call patrilineal. So they can trace

1947
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 9: the ancestors through either the maternal or the or the

1948
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,719
Speaker 9: pubternal line and that so like for example, the King

1949
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 9: Sebri who I was interacting with and interviewing yesterday, he

1950
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 9: represents one of the areas of the Ikon, which is

1951
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 9: the largest group in the West African region. And so

1952
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 9: the next person in line after uh the Sebri would

1953
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 9: not be his son, because they traced the kingship in

1954
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 9: royal three or the royalty through the matrilineally, through the

1955
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 9: through the maternal or the mother's line. So next in

1956
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 9: line would be his sister's son or in other words,

1957
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 9: his nephew. And so it is tracked royally that way,

1958
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 9: and everybody plays a role. And you know this is

1959
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 9: why it's not just about having a title to dominate

1960
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 9: and rule and control somebody. King the Sebry is as

1961
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 9: humble as they come, but he also is a stickler

1962
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 9: for a protocol and tradition at the same time, so

1963
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 9: you don't see any arrogance at all. He's a man

1964
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 9: of the people, he really is. But but but he

1965
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 9: knows his place in history and tradition and anybody can

1966
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 9: see and uh and feel that. But throughout Africa, the

1967
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 9: rule is always that it's it's someone doesn't just join

1968
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 9: the royal line. I mean, there's there's examples where someone

1969
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 9: may rule who wasn't in the royal blod the royal bloodline,

1970
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 9: but there would be you know, scenarios for that. Maybe

1971
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 9: there's no one in the immediate family who could rule,

1972
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 9: and then you have the royal council, including the Queen Mother,

1973
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 9: that would choose the next leadership. So even if someone

1974
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 9: is not directly in the bloodline, because it depends on

1975
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 9: if they have offspring, If the offspring are able and

1976
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 9: capable of ruling, usually there's somebody, but if there's not,

1977
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 9: then they will always be able to choose someone who

1978
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 9: represents the best values in the best tradition of that

1979
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 9: particular group and the one who could lead and serve

1980
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 9: and take care of and protect the group under their jurisprudence.

1981
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 9: Or their leadership. So this is you know, it's very

1982
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 9: important and it's not something to take lightly. But what

1983
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 9: happened was when the British came in, the British colonizers,

1984
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:55,879
Speaker 9: they destroyed much or a large part of the tradition.

1985
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 9: So this is why a lot of us were not aware.

1986
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 9: And they were do titles. Like I said, so they

1987
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 9: had kings, so the kings were reduced to a chief.

1988
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 9: But then they said, well, we have to maybe making

1989
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 9: it a distinction, so let's just call them a paramount

1990
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 9: chief or a regional chief, but we're not going to

1991
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 9: call them a king. So these are the kind of

1992
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 9: word games, just like I tell my students the contracst

1993
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 9: to college with any African civilizations class, when you're looking

1994
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 9: at when you're looking for current articles for an assignment

1995
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,880
Speaker 9: on African civilizations, you have to think like the colonizers,

1996
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 9: and you can put in African civilizations, but you'll find

1997
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 9: more through the research databases if you put in African

1998
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 9: cultures as opposed to civilizations, and you'll find more if

1999
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 9: you put in African chiefs or rulers versus African kings.

2000
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 9: So they always tend to reduce the status and the

2001
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 9: importance of African leadership by these terms, which and these

2002
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:04,040
Speaker 9: terms are very calculated, but these are things that we

2003
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:07,120
Speaker 9: definitely should should be aware of and it's no big deal.

2004
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:12,839
Speaker 9: There are very important positions, uh in all societies. For example,

2005
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 9: if you look at if you look at classical Africa,

2006
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 9: the writers said that there, that there, that there, uh,

2007
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 9: that their occupation was the most important in the country.

2008
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 9: And so yeah, well they're writers, so that's what they wrote.

2009
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 9: You know that that that that that the scribes, the writers,

2010
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 9: that they had the most important position. But we have

2011
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 9: so many people that are highly respected, like you were

2012
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 9: talking about healing. This is important. So now my my

2013
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 9: job is to mention that we have cultural health and

2014
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 9: historical health. But the healer always has a central role

2015
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 9: in African culture and tradition. Everybody doesn't have to be

2016
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 9: a king and queen, the the the blacksmith has a

2017
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 9: central role in African culture and tradition. The farmer has

2018
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 9: a central and important role in African culture and tradition.

2019
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 9: So this is what we need to understand. That we

2020
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 9: don't have to try to boost the self esteem of

2021
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 9: everybody by giving them titles that are not appropriate. And

2022
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 9: the more we understand this, then we'll be able to

2023
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 9: recreate in our communities around the country the kind of

2024
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,200
Speaker 9: structure that can help us to move forward. But as

2025
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 9: long as if we don't know the structure of what

2026
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 9: makes the society run with ethical kings and queens, that

2027
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 9: cannot hold those positions unless they are steeped in an

2028
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 9: ethical and moral code. So this is why I've always

2029
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:42,880
Speaker 9: told people, Yeah, that's true. We have great traditions of

2030
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 9: kings and queens and rulers and queen mothers and exalted

2031
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 9: individuals like heroes. Yes we have that, But keep in

2032
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:53,879
Speaker 9: mind a king and queen by itself doesn't mean anything,

2033
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 9: because you have kings and queens from Europe who were imperialists,

2034
01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 9: who were slave traders, were killers, and they were kings

2035
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 9: very much though. So kingship by itself or queenship by

2036
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 9: itself doesn't mean a whole lot if it's not surrounded

2037
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 9: by an ethical position and a moral agenda to help

2038
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 9: uplift the people. This is why we look specifically at

2039
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:23,520
Speaker 9: African cultural tradition and exactly what was the protocol in

2040
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:27,839
Speaker 9: the past and what's the protocol today by legitimate rulers

2041
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,920
Speaker 9: that come from the royal family, not people who are

2042
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 9: masquerading or or just uninformed, because we do it with

2043
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 9: a lot of people that mean well, but they're just uninformed.

2044
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 1: Twenty eight away from the top there I was, I

2045
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 1: guess Professor Mainnu and Penn from Contracosta College out in California.

2046
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: We're talking about the kings and queens and leaders in Africa,

2047
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Professor Impenn. When I was in Ghana, we went through

2048
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 1: a name change. We got different names. The chiefs get

2049
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: presided provided over the ceremony and my name was changed

2050
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 1: to Quasi, which is a the day name Sunday born Benenia.

2051
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 1: And I forgot what he said that was. But the

2052
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 1: chiefs who did that do they pass along that title

2053
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 1: to their families as well when they step away? And

2054
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,440
Speaker 1: and that's one question. And also the question because every

2055
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: time I go to Ghane, they talk about that they're

2056
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:19,879
Speaker 1: instooling somebody. Somebody's in stooled. Can you explain that concept

2057
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: as well?

2058
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, So the naming is very important. And a while

2059
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 9: back I had talked about and I wrote about this too.

2060
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 9: Actually it's one of one of my most most impactful

2061
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 9: articles I wrote some time ago about a little more

2062
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 9: than a decade ago, I wrote about the five African

2063
02:00:41,320 --> 02:00:47,120
Speaker 9: sorry the five major African initiation rights from birth to

2064
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 9: death and beyond, and the first is the writer of birth.

2065
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 9: And the writer of birth is generally someone is given

2066
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 9: a name based on their mission in life, but they're

2067
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 9: all still given another name about when they were born.

2068
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 9: So like you know Kwame born on a Friday or Saturday,

2069
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 9: or kolf be born on a Friday. Still names like that,

2070
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 9: or Abena the female name a girl born on a Tuesday.

2071
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 9: So you have names like that. But when someone becomes

2072
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:19,880
Speaker 9: a king in here in stul, they have an in

2073
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 9: stool name too that they're given which is part of

2074
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 9: their destiny. So names have a lot of meaning. I

2075
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 9: know that people don't always look at it that way,

2076
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 9: but the birthright is so essential to one's life and

2077
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 9: destiny because if we're given the name, the correct name,

2078
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 9: and we know what the objective is of that baby,

2079
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:46,120
Speaker 9: when that baby not only comes forth through that family,

2080
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 9: but that baby is part of the community, the name

2081
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 9: is to remind everybody what the mission is, what the

2082
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,879
Speaker 9: incarnation objective is, what the goal is for that infant

2083
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 9: coming among this family and community, So that whenever we

2084
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 9: call the name. Where we are, we're reminding the young

2085
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 9: person or the infant what their mission is in life,

2086
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 9: and is also informing us of how we can help

2087
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 9: that young person fulfill his or her mission. So names

2088
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 9: are absolutely important.

2089
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 1: And let me jump here. That's for folks who have

2090
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:22,160
Speaker 1: children or think about having children or grandchildren. Names are

2091
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 1: very very important. What you name your child. And you

2092
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 1: know that naming ceremony that we had for our group

2093
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:33,280
Speaker 1: who went to for this chief who's a con chief,

2094
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: and you can look it up. Family, You can just

2095
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 1: go there and look at the con names and you'll

2096
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:39,360
Speaker 1: find out what your day name is because they know

2097
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 1: exactly what day you were born. But the second part

2098
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,480
Speaker 1: of your name is is your purpose. This is what

2099
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 1: Professor m Pim is talking about. But Professor Aim, I'm

2100
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 1: going to get more into the installment issue because we've

2101
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:54,200
Speaker 1: been to Africa quite a few times and we've taken

2102
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters there and at one brother says he

2103
02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: was in stool, and I think Professor Small says he

2104
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: was in What is that ceremony all about? What does

2105
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: it mean when they say they're installed?

2106
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 9: It means that they've now become, you know, equivalent to

2107
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:13,280
Speaker 9: to a chief that they've now become an instrument of

2108
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:18,160
Speaker 9: a chief, so they're really part of royalty. And it's

2109
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,760
Speaker 9: it's you know, to be honest about that. It's gone

2110
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:25,920
Speaker 9: sideways because a lot of people have been instelled, whether

2111
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,680
Speaker 9: they deserved it or not. It's down something that's happening

2112
02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:33,400
Speaker 9: on a regular basis. Michael Jackson was installed. There was

2113
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 9: a couple from the States also was insteed as king

2114
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 9: and queen. And all they simply did was they worked

2115
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,320
Speaker 9: for a corporate company and they were able to bring

2116
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 9: some computers to the village. But why not just have

2117
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:52,880
Speaker 9: a you know, a ceremony to think them, Why make

2118
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 9: them a king and queen? But they did. And then

2119
02:03:55,960 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 9: I remember a white guy from Switzerland also comes a

2120
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 9: king because he married a Ghanaian woman. So what's happening

2121
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 9: now is that this has been cheapen because now here's

2122
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 9: what it's about. Some of the people they recognize that

2123
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 9: if they give titles to the foreigners, the foreigners are

2124
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,920
Speaker 9: now obligated to be a part of that community and

2125
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:24,839
Speaker 9: bring money, bring resources. So that's really what it has become,

2126
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:30,120
Speaker 9: and it serves people who want the titles. So there's

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Speaker 9: a debate among the people are Ghana about this very

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Speaker 9: issue about why giveaway titles?

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Speaker 1: Right and hold that thought right there, Professor am Pima

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Speaker 1: got a step aside for a few moments. I'll he

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Speaker 1: takes found on that when we get back, family, you

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Speaker 1: got questions about leadership in Africa, how it came about,

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Speaker 1: and why you keep saying to your friends is you

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Speaker 1: know you say that's your queen or that's your king.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

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Speaker 1: five zero, he's seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls after the shortbreak. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on this Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: It's a huntday where halfway through the work week with

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Speaker 1: our guest, the Professor Maynu Ampm, Professor Ampim teachers that

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Speaker 1: contra cost to college out in California, Dawl in California

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Speaker 1: and discussing royalty, African royalty, how it came about and

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Speaker 1: some of you now have been using the terms kings

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Speaker 1: for the brothers and queens for your sisters. And we're

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Speaker 1: getting deep into how this came about. So we're going

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Speaker 1: back to Professor Ampim momentarial but let me just remind

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Speaker 1: you come up tomorrow. We're gonna hit from Professor James Small.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Professor Small has been instoled in Ghana.

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Speaker 1: Also flip that Stocks JR. Fenwick is going to join us.

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Speaker 1: So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you're radious lot

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Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're in

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Speaker 1: the dmv RN FM ninety five point nine and AM

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WL. All right, Professor Ampim, those persons who

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Speaker 1: have been in stool, can they pass on that to

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Speaker 1: their relatives or to end with them?

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Speaker 9: If we're talking about in traditional culture, then yes, it's

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Speaker 9: passed on. But that becomes a question for those that

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Speaker 9: have been in stool. That's maybe let's say from the US.

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Speaker 9: You know, some of the students are probably legitimate, but

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Speaker 9: many of them are not. But the question would be,

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Speaker 9: because this has never come about before, how would that work?

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Speaker 9: Would they be able to pass on this title and

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Speaker 9: position to the relatives? Because if they all are let's say,

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Speaker 9: born and raised here in the US, how would they work?

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Speaker 9: And before the break, I was sharing that this is

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Speaker 9: not just something I'm mentioning as a scholar from the US.

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Speaker 9: In Ghana. There's a debate among them about why give

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Speaker 9: away titles and parts of the culture just to thank people.

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Speaker 9: Why not just have a ceremony to say thank you

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Speaker 9: for supporting us, as opposed to giving away titles in

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Speaker 9: part of the tradition. And this is a concern because

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Speaker 9: you know, in some cases people have never lived in Ghana,

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Speaker 9: they don't speak any of their local languages, they don't know

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Speaker 9: the protocol. When I I was talking with King the

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Speaker 9: Cybri yesterday, one of the questions I asked him was

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Speaker 9: about the transfer leadership from from king to king or

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Speaker 9: chief to chief, and he said, well, part of that,

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Speaker 9: part of the ritual ceremony is for one week, for

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Speaker 9: an entire week, he is being taught and tutored on

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Speaker 9: all of the specific details on royal protocol, on ethics,

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Speaker 9: on everything from attire, from how you know your everything, mannerism,

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Speaker 9: all of those very things are important and protocol is

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Speaker 9: very significant about how you sit, how you greet someone,

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Speaker 9: what you wear, how do you wear it, all of

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Speaker 9: these different things, when do you wear certain things. So

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Speaker 9: this is not something that could just be dismissed to

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Speaker 9: give a title. So this is why we have to

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Speaker 9: look carefully at that and if, like I said, some

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Speaker 9: are probably legitimate the receiving titles, with some not as

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Speaker 9: I gave you a few examples. So this is also

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Speaker 9: a debate among the indigenous Ganans because they see what's

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Speaker 9: happening and they also know tradition. And the British are

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Speaker 9: the ones that first began to cheaping royalty by changing titles.

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Speaker 9: And they didn't just do it in Ghana in West Africa,

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Speaker 9: but they did it everywhere. Same thing in Sudan. So

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Speaker 9: when they go in they conquer Egypt, the British dude,

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Speaker 9: and they go south to Sudan and things began to change.

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Speaker 9: Because I remember just two a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 9: a little less than three years ago, when I was

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Speaker 9: in South Sudan that broke away from Sudan, I had

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Speaker 9: an unprecedented meeting. I actually had a chance to meet

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Speaker 9: with eleven Dinka chiefs from South Sudan, and out of

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Speaker 9: the eleven, four of them were paramount chiefs. But in reality,

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Speaker 9: these paramount chiefs are actually kings because they are garverning

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Speaker 9: areas that have where their chiefs beneath them. And I

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Speaker 9: learned a lot about the protocol, what they will never

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Speaker 9: compromise on different things. There's a price to pay if

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Speaker 9: someone violates tradition. But they also were open minded as

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Speaker 9: well to say that certain things not necessarily regarding kingship

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Speaker 9: per se, but there's certain things that they're willing to

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Speaker 9: adjust in the modern era. But to talk two men

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Speaker 9: of that status, it's amazing. And we should also know

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Speaker 9: that we had a meet. I had a meeting with

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Speaker 9: them in the afternoon, and I got a call from

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Speaker 9: one of the great elders, Elder abraham Son, said I'm

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Speaker 9: ready to pick you up for the meeting and meet

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Speaker 9: with these eleven thiefs, and I said, you're a little early.

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Speaker 9: He was like, more than two hours before, and I said,

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Speaker 9: please check with your father. I think we got the

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Speaker 9: times mixed up. So we checked what it's that got

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Speaker 9: back to me and told me that the elders, the Storry,

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Speaker 9: the chiefs were two hours early. So I wasn't late,

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Speaker 9: but they get definitely got there before me. So I

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Speaker 9: actually got to the place where we had this historic

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Speaker 9: meeting and interview. I got there more than an hour

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Speaker 9: before the scheduled time, and I was still there long

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Speaker 9: after them. They were eager to talk about their tradition,

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Speaker 9: their culture and chieftainship and the values that they hold

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Speaker 9: is dinker so this is not something that they give away. Now,

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Speaker 9: one thing that I will remind the listeners if they

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Speaker 9: remember from the past or if they don't, that there

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Speaker 9: are different categories of people. So not everybody is necessarily

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Speaker 9: considered a king or queen or chief or queen mother.

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Speaker 9: But there's also other categories of high status, for example

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Speaker 9: in the Omo Valley in Ethiopia, for example, and some

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Speaker 9: of the people know that here in the US maybe

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Speaker 9: for the last five, six, seven, ten years at the most.

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Speaker 9: And that's the term jegna jagna in m Hart which

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Speaker 9: is the national language in Ethiopia, it means hero for male,

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Speaker 9: but for females the name for hero is jag neat,

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Speaker 9: so you've got jagna for males in jag Neat. This

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Speaker 9: is very the jagna and jag Neat are given a

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Speaker 9: high status, extremely high status, so people can earn that

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Speaker 9: status in tradition. But now as we modernize this understanding,

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Speaker 9: because there's people that could considered a jagna, which is

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Speaker 9: not only it's a cultural hero that promotes and protect

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Speaker 9: the culture and the best interests of the people. And

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Speaker 9: sometimes now that could be someone who was a great

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Speaker 9: writer about in the past. It would be somebody if

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Speaker 9: there were Jagna, for example, would be a great warrior

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Speaker 9: who was absolutely brave and courageous that would face a

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Speaker 9: dangerous animal like an ante, like an elephant or a buffalo,

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Speaker 9: or a leopard or lion. That would be a Jagna

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Speaker 9: with tremendous courage, or somebody who defends the people from

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Speaker 9: an enemy group, you know. But uh, And then a

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Speaker 9: jeg neat, a jeg neique would be somebody that that

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Speaker 9: is a woman who is profound in agriculture to feed

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Speaker 9: the people, to keep the people alive and nourish, and

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Speaker 9: takes care of the home and can Greek guests and

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Speaker 9: shows great protocol and all those kinds of things. So

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Speaker 9: now I'm looking, I see some slight change because they

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Speaker 9: now can not necessarily in the Almo Valley per se,

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Speaker 9: but in Ethiopia when they mentioned Jegna, they could also

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Speaker 9: mean now a great scholar, not just someone who writes

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Speaker 9: a lot of books or has a lot of information,

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Speaker 9: but someone of great character who puts the people first,

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Speaker 9: and who may be, you know, an intellectual who's making

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Speaker 9: contributions to help them remember their cultural traditions. So there's

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Speaker 9: different things that we have to factor in when we

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Speaker 9: talk about leadership, whether they're kings and queens or people

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Speaker 9: that have other titles and other roles and responsibilities that

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Speaker 9: are also highly respected.

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Speaker 1: All right, ten away from the topic, I guess some

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Speaker 1: folks have got questions for you, Professor am Penn. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with Melvin's calling from Baltimore Cities Online. One Grand Rising. Melvin,

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Speaker 1: You're on with Professor Ampi.

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Speaker 15: Grand Rising everyone and in the USA, saying sex relationships

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Speaker 15: has been politicized and weaponized. In Africa, the country of

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Speaker 15: Bekina Fossil just made saying sex marriage a five year

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Speaker 15: prisons at me, but the professor speak on that.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you, brother. Yeah, so McKinny, Farssul and

2282
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Speaker 9: other countries you've Ganda, you name it. And they're doing

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Speaker 9: that because they are prioritizing tradition. And not only prioritizing tradition,

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Speaker 9: they're also prioritizing the perpetuation and continuation of life. Obviously,

2285
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Speaker 9: people will have their own political views and their personal views.

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Speaker 9: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the perpetuation

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Speaker 9: of life. This is why it is male and female.

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Speaker 9: You can't perpetuate life in any other way. And African

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Speaker 9: culture is not about death because you know. So this

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Speaker 9: is why Captain Tori has instituted that along with his leadership,

2291
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:54,000
Speaker 9: because they are prioritizing tradition. It kicked out foreigners and

2292
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 9: they want to make sure they go back to a

2293
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Speaker 9: healthy tradition that helps the people to be independent and

2294
02:15:00,200 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 9: that can embrace their cultural traditions. And this is why

2295
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:07,840
Speaker 9: African culture holds so many keys for us to move forward.

2296
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Speaker 9: And oh, brother, we live in the modern US. We're

2297
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:15,960
Speaker 9: not talking about that. The issue is that, but look

2298
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:18,680
Speaker 9: at the values that people are living under. We can't

2299
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Speaker 9: survive long term with these kind of practices. So we

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Speaker 9: look at African cultural practices and cultural lifeways to help

2301
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Speaker 9: us solve problems today. Because the problems were solved and

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02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 9: worked out in traditional culture doesn't mean that everything was perfect. No,

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Speaker 9: I just said that. Even the Dinker chiefs have said

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Speaker 9: they're willing to make adjustments and compromise some things that

2305
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:45,440
Speaker 9: may be done away with, but not the core values.

2306
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Speaker 9: So this is what we're going to find, and we

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02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 9: do find in different African countries. And by the way,

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02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:57,480
Speaker 9: these kinds of issues are in urban areas, whether it's

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Speaker 9: in be kinn of Us Soul or or you've in

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Speaker 9: urban areas. In the rural areas, the isolated areas, you

2311
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:11,920
Speaker 9: don't see any of these kind of practices because it

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02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:16,440
Speaker 9: does not perpetuate and help continue life. So they don't

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Speaker 9: come up certain things are just has not been a

2314
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:21,720
Speaker 9: part of their experience. Well, how do you know, Well,

2315
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 9: we don't have certain words in their language to describe

2316
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:28,800
Speaker 9: certain acts. And then when I'm among the people and

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02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,600
Speaker 9: these were very remote areas that are hard to get to.

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Speaker 9: I've gone to areas where they've told me that no

2319
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:39,680
Speaker 9: scholar has ever visited them. And I'm walking around and

2320
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,640
Speaker 9: you know, the women have no shirts on, bare breaths.

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Speaker 9: Oh my god. No, it's not a big issue because

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02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 9: they're not under fear of attack. No one is objectifying

2323
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:52,560
Speaker 9: them and not objectifying themselves. It's very hot, so why

2324
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:55,240
Speaker 9: would they be wearing a lot of clothes. So certain

2325
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:59,440
Speaker 9: things that we're groomed to be sensitive to or to accept,

2326
02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:02,840
Speaker 9: they don't. And I remember I said this last day.

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Speaker 9: I remember I can mention a lot of experiences. One

2328
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 9: that I'm thinking right now is that one of the

2329
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:11,959
Speaker 9: guides among the console k on n s O the

2330
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Speaker 9: console in Ethiopia. I remember the note. Unfortunately, our brother passed,

2331
02:17:17,959 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 9: but the guide the note was telling me when he

2332
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:27,720
Speaker 9: was young, he remembered in the console community that that

2333
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 9: it was it was or it was said that they

2334
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:36,879
Speaker 9: didn't even hold court on this. He said that he

2335
02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:39,600
Speaker 9: remember as a young guy, it was said that somebody

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Speaker 9: had assaulted a woman. It was I think it was

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02:17:43,320 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 9: a sexual assault or something like that. And he said

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02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:50,360
Speaker 9: he saw the man buried alive. You know. So and

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02:17:50,480 --> 02:17:54,520
Speaker 9: I say that to mention that the people don't look

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02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:57,840
Speaker 9: at women, uh the way that a lot of people

2341
02:17:57,879 --> 02:18:01,760
Speaker 9: do here. Uh so it's entirely different view. I remember

2342
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Speaker 9: I posted something on Facebook a few years ago with

2343
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 9: some of the young boys in the Almos Valley among

2344
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,480
Speaker 9: the Bana group. These are young guys that you know,

2345
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:14,240
Speaker 9: some of them walk on stilts in the road with

2346
02:18:14,320 --> 02:18:17,480
Speaker 9: body paint. I remember, we're just taking pictures. I didn't

2347
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:19,560
Speaker 9: think anything of it, but next thing I know, I

2348
02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:22,000
Speaker 9: got a note from Facebook said this picture has been

2349
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 9: taken down because it violates the community the rules. And

2350
02:18:27,560 --> 02:18:30,680
Speaker 9: I'm not even looking at nudity, you know, because that

2351
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:33,360
Speaker 9: you would really look and be attracted to their body

2352
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 9: paint of anything else. But that's how it is in

2353
02:18:36,480 --> 02:18:41,240
Speaker 9: those communities. The values are very different in these communities

2354
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:44,160
Speaker 9: and not influenced by too many outsiders at all. Yes,

2355
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:48,320
Speaker 9: you may have occasional visitors, but those visitors don't influence

2356
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:52,040
Speaker 9: very much at all, and so their values stay intact.

2357
02:18:52,120 --> 02:18:59,600
Speaker 9: And that's why traditional African culture continues with not too

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02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:04,640
Speaker 9: much change because these rural areas, they tend to be

2359
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:08,039
Speaker 9: more isolated. They're not interacting with a lot of groups,

2360
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:11,120
Speaker 9: and they definitely not following anybody. So a lot of

2361
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:14,199
Speaker 9: these practices that we may be struggling with and having

2362
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:18,120
Speaker 9: debates about sexual orientation and all of these things, it

2363
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:22,640
Speaker 9: is not an issue in these traditional areas. In every institution,

2364
02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:28,760
Speaker 9: every practice is here towards perpetuation and continuing life, and

2365
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:31,320
Speaker 9: that's why they set things up the way that they do,

2366
02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:34,720
Speaker 9: and it runs flawlessly. You see a lot of laughter,

2367
02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:38,080
Speaker 9: You see people who are totally relaxed, even if you're

2368
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:42,240
Speaker 9: in the community with brothers that are heavily armed, completely

2369
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:46,440
Speaker 9: relaxed while they are maybe there was some border conflict

2370
02:19:46,840 --> 02:19:50,680
Speaker 9: with another group two weeks earlier and those guys are

2371
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:53,959
Speaker 9: so relaxed. You would be more nervous in any US

2372
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:57,040
Speaker 9: city during the daytime than you would in these areas,

2373
02:19:57,440 --> 02:20:00,520
Speaker 9: and that's what I've experienced. So anyway, thank you for

2374
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:04,280
Speaker 9: the question. But it comes to values, and maybe on

2375
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:07,800
Speaker 9: another program, I'm sure we'll ruffle some feathers, but if

2376
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:09,879
Speaker 9: we really wanted to go into that in great detail,

2377
02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:12,480
Speaker 9: we can look at the origins of that. But we

2378
02:20:12,520 --> 02:20:16,960
Speaker 9: can just say right now that Burkina fasoul Uganda, countries

2379
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 9: like that that are embracing tradition, they're going to have

2380
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:25,560
Speaker 9: laws that protect their traditional practices and their traditional values

2381
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:30,320
Speaker 9: that they can point to that go back many, many centuries.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, that's all right then, Professor MPM got a

2383
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:35,200
Speaker 1: step aside for a few moments so our stations can

2384
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:38,360
Speaker 1: identify themselves down the line per the FCC. We come

2385
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:40,879
Speaker 1: back alex and Alexandre's got a question for you family.

2386
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:43,480
Speaker 1: You two can join our discussion with Professor man Newampin.

2387
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:45,520
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred and four to

2388
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:48,320
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2389
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:51,520
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Happy hump Day

2390
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,680
Speaker 1: to you as well. And we're made way through the week.

2391
02:20:53,879 --> 02:20:56,440
Speaker 1: The work week of that is a halfway fair. It's

2392
02:20:56,440 --> 02:20:59,879
Speaker 1: just downhill everywhere step we take. Going further to the weekend,

2393
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: our guess there is professor man Who Ampinn from Contra

2394
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:06,959
Speaker 1: Costa College out in California discussing the rich history of

2395
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 1: our Africans, the great leaders, the kings, the queens, the chiefs,

2396
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:13,000
Speaker 1: the people who are in Stuol as well. You got

2397
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:14,800
Speaker 1: to comment a question, reach out to us at eight

2398
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about this documentary's working on

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02:21:19,879 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 1: about Kush, the nation of Cush, and also if we

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02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:25,959
Speaker 1: have time, we'll talk about too the Lynch letter he

2402
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:28,600
Speaker 1: decoded was a fake. But let's go to Alex's calling

2403
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:31,959
Speaker 1: us from Alexander and Virginia's online two. Alex, your question

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02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:37,519
Speaker 1: for Professor Ampim.

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Speaker 16: Jalong jameome to all the believers of the Torah. We're

2406
02:21:38,879 --> 02:21:42,000
Speaker 16: on day two family, so this is for educational purpose.

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02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:48,000
Speaker 16: My question for the professor is we in the year

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02:21:48,040 --> 02:21:52,600
Speaker 16: of twenty twenty five, so while we are still calling

2409
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:56,600
Speaker 16: kings and queens, when we can just call them Maarnoch

2410
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:05,440
Speaker 16: now for what I know, Jamaica is the only compson

2411
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:13,520
Speaker 16: that I know now is going to break away from monarchs.

2412
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:18,440
Speaker 16: It's going to be turned over to the republic this

2413
02:22:18,600 --> 02:22:23,040
Speaker 16: year twenty twenty five. So why are we still calling

2414
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:28,520
Speaker 16: kings and queens instead of monarchs? And I remember at

2415
02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:35,160
Speaker 16: an airport I was at and this African leader or

2416
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:37,920
Speaker 16: and I'm calling him a leader because he's in higher

2417
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:43,760
Speaker 16: education as he approached the airport, you know, coming through

2418
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:48,240
Speaker 16: the airport, these Africans all fall down to their needs.

2419
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:52,320
Speaker 16: And I don't understand that we're in the year twenty

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Speaker 16: twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So spraining right, Alex gave me a chance to Yeah,

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02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:59,920
Speaker 1: let's get she's on to repeat yourself. Let's give m

2423
02:22:59,959 --> 02:23:02,560
Speaker 1: a chance to respond to to what you said that question.

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02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:04,520
Speaker 1: And professor, I'm pim, you've got a chance to school

2425
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:08,480
Speaker 1: our brother right now about the monarchy and the republics

2426
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:10,760
Speaker 1: in different countries, because Jamaica is not the only country

2427
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:14,120
Speaker 1: that's that's moving from a monarchy to a republic. But

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02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:16,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, the professor, I'm help him out.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I appreciate it. Well, we're speaking English, so in

2430
02:23:20,879 --> 02:23:24,440
Speaker 9: English we have different words. So a monarch is simply

2431
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:28,720
Speaker 9: a head of state and that could be a king

2432
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:31,560
Speaker 9: or queen, or it could even be an emperor. So

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02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:36,320
Speaker 9: a monarchy just means the head of state and in

2434
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:42,120
Speaker 9: African culture the royal toy or not the head of state,

2435
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,760
Speaker 9: you actually have actual president. So I mentioned Ghana for example,

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02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:51,080
Speaker 9: So President John Muhamma is the elected president of Ghana,

2437
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:53,640
Speaker 9: so he's so a monarch. We we're going to use

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02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:56,959
Speaker 9: that term and will relate to the current president and

2439
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:02,720
Speaker 9: not to the kings and chiefs who do wield great

2440
02:24:02,760 --> 02:24:07,680
Speaker 9: power and profess and President Muhamma has to consult with them.

2441
02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:10,760
Speaker 9: If he does not consult with and get approval from

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02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,959
Speaker 9: the National House of Chiefs, nothing's going to be implemented.

2443
02:24:14,320 --> 02:24:17,400
Speaker 9: So it's not a big deal here because it's still

2444
02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:20,320
Speaker 9: an English term. It just means head of state. It

2445
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:23,440
Speaker 9: could refer to a king, queen, emperor, or something like that.

2446
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:28,520
Speaker 9: But anytime we're speaking English, which is a Latin based

2447
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:31,000
Speaker 9: language that comes out of Europe, then it's going to

2448
02:24:31,080 --> 02:24:36,920
Speaker 9: be limited. This is why we have particular titles depending

2449
02:24:36,959 --> 02:24:38,640
Speaker 9: on the language. So if you look at a khan,

2450
02:24:38,760 --> 02:24:41,520
Speaker 9: there's many different groups of a kan and everybody has

2451
02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:47,560
Speaker 9: a different different title. So a different specific name for

2452
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:51,800
Speaker 9: rulership in their country. This is why I mentioned need

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02:24:51,879 --> 02:24:54,200
Speaker 9: people with high status. And then even when we could

2454
02:24:54,280 --> 02:24:57,880
Speaker 9: deal with Classico Africa, we use indigenous terms, but there's

2455
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:01,560
Speaker 9: no advantage really, it's really the same difference because there's

2456
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:04,279
Speaker 9: all English based words that have to do with someone

2457
02:25:04,959 --> 02:25:08,600
Speaker 9: ruling or being in charge. But so the solution is

2458
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:11,760
Speaker 9: a look at African culture and tradition and follow the

2459
02:25:11,879 --> 02:25:15,240
Speaker 9: practices that have helped us solve problems. And while we're

2460
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 9: doing that, then we will learn the traditional titles as well.

2461
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,440
Speaker 9: You know a lot of people adopt titles. They would

2462
02:25:22,440 --> 02:25:27,120
Speaker 9: say nana for example, someone of very high status and elder.

2463
02:25:27,360 --> 02:25:30,520
Speaker 9: So there's terms that people are familiar with. But the

2464
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:33,240
Speaker 9: bottom line is that it's really not about terms. It's

2465
02:25:33,240 --> 02:25:37,360
Speaker 9: about understanding the process and what we need to embrace

2466
02:25:37,440 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 9: moving forward. And along with that we will learn the terms,

2467
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:44,000
Speaker 9: and more importantly, we'll learned about the protocol, the process

2468
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:48,520
Speaker 9: and the traditional values that will help us solve problems today.

2469
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:49,320
Speaker 9: So that's what I'm going.

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02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tum because I think what Alex is

2471
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:56,280
Speaker 1: getting that too, because he's thinking about the current day

2472
02:25:56,520 --> 02:26:00,880
Speaker 1: countries who have ditched the British monarchy and come republics,

2473
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:04,000
Speaker 1: and Jamaica is just considering it. But I think Trinidad

2474
02:26:03,959 --> 02:26:06,320
Speaker 1: and Tobago is also a republican. Most of the countries

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02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:09,800
Speaker 1: who have dumped Britain are republics. They don't they don't

2476
02:26:09,800 --> 02:26:13,400
Speaker 1: pay homage to the to the British crown, and I

2477
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:15,280
Speaker 1: think that's where he went. That's I think that's where

2478
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:17,400
Speaker 1: he was going. I'm sure he wasn't steeped in what

2479
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:22,400
Speaker 1: you were explaining about Africa, because I'm just jumping making

2480
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:24,879
Speaker 1: a leap of what I think that Alex was thinking about.

2481
02:26:24,879 --> 02:26:28,160
Speaker 1: Because the circumfas of is of the thought, especially for

2482
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:32,039
Speaker 1: most folks, is the British you know, monarchy, which the

2483
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:35,400
Speaker 1: British Empire went. They still had to pay homage to

2484
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:37,640
Speaker 1: the queen or the king now but now some of

2485
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,720
Speaker 1: these countries went after they got independence. They're still like Canada,

2486
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,920
Speaker 1: they still pay homage to the king and the queen

2487
02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:45,560
Speaker 1: to the crown. But these some other countries now they're

2488
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,680
Speaker 1: republics if they just do away with the bridge that

2489
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,119
Speaker 1: they are no longer the last resort when it comes

2490
02:26:51,160 --> 02:26:53,040
Speaker 1: to the court and all that kind of stuff. So

2491
02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:56,200
Speaker 1: they've have full independence, and I think that's where Alex

2492
02:26:56,280 --> 02:26:58,720
Speaker 1: was going because I've been following that. The situation is

2493
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:01,120
Speaker 1: going down there in some of those Arabian countries as well,

2494
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 1: But I think that's where it's going.

2495
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:08,240
Speaker 9: But anyway, uh, for the car and it's it's country

2496
02:27:08,280 --> 02:27:09,959
Speaker 9: is moving away from it, but it's still a whole

2497
02:27:09,959 --> 02:27:13,720
Speaker 9: bunch still under uh British authority. We can see that.

2498
02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:17,480
Speaker 9: So anytime British Royalty travel around, we see the countries

2499
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:21,000
Speaker 9: hosting them and all of the people genuflected and still

2500
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 9: being under the authority. When the Queen died, how many

2501
02:27:24,760 --> 02:27:29,320
Speaker 9: people were honoring the queen while others of minority rose

2502
02:27:29,440 --> 02:27:31,959
Speaker 9: up and said, what are you honoring? This woman has

2503
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:36,600
Speaker 9: been Elizabeth responsible for a lot of degradation of Africas. Yeah,

2504
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:38,960
Speaker 9: so he's right, there's been some shift and change, but

2505
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:41,519
Speaker 9: there's still a lot of British subjects around.

2506
02:27:41,240 --> 02:27:45,040
Speaker 1: The world, right, And that's what they call They're not

2507
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,760
Speaker 1: called citizens, they call subjects because they're subjects to the king.

2508
02:27:47,959 --> 02:27:50,879
Speaker 1: So you know, they're not British citizens, they're British subjects.

2509
02:27:50,959 --> 02:27:53,920
Speaker 1: That's another thing too, Uh, the people are trying to

2510
02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:56,080
Speaker 1: break away from because we've got quite a few listeners

2511
02:27:56,080 --> 02:27:58,720
Speaker 1: in the UK, Professor, I'm penning. They're always keeping me

2512
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:01,119
Speaker 1: up today with that many of them. I'm a conscious

2513
02:28:01,320 --> 02:28:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, if they listened to us, you know they

2514
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:04,880
Speaker 1: got a conscious. So they are posts a lot about

2515
02:28:04,879 --> 02:28:07,000
Speaker 1: the British monarchy and stuff. But I think it's just

2516
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,160
Speaker 1: a waste of tax payers money. By the way, let

2517
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:11,440
Speaker 1: me just add that in the conversations that we have.

2518
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:13,520
Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you, professor on Pin

2519
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:19,920
Speaker 1: about the documentary that you're working about the civilization of cush.

2520
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:21,840
Speaker 9: Yes, this is one of my great projects. It'll be

2521
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:26,280
Speaker 9: the greatest film project. So this past summer I was

2522
02:28:26,360 --> 02:28:32,119
Speaker 9: in Ethiopia in the southwest area of Gambela, and I

2523
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:35,039
Speaker 9: hired a film crew that came with me and we

2524
02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:39,840
Speaker 9: spent about a week and a half and we collected

2525
02:28:39,959 --> 02:28:44,400
Speaker 9: about fifty hours of film. And this film is on

2526
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:49,360
Speaker 9: Cushite groups in Gambela, the area in southwest Ethiopia. It's

2527
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:53,560
Speaker 9: a very remote area that have five indigenous groups. It's

2528
02:28:53,600 --> 02:29:00,360
Speaker 9: to Aniak, the Majane, the Opal, Thenware and Nicomo. They're

2529
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:04,000
Speaker 9: very very isolated and what that means is that they've

2530
02:29:04,040 --> 02:29:10,920
Speaker 9: maintained their cultural lifeways. So this is a series of films,

2531
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:14,200
Speaker 9: but this first one on Kushite groups in Gambella was

2532
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:19,120
Speaker 9: for me to interview as I started last summer and

2533
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:22,680
Speaker 9: then this summer culminated with a professional film crew to

2534
02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:29,120
Speaker 9: interview chiefs, elders and heroes. So we cambed the area

2535
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:34,439
Speaker 9: to interview these very special people about their cultural lifeways,

2536
02:29:34,480 --> 02:29:40,720
Speaker 9: their cultural traditions, ceremonies, rituals and how it is and

2537
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:45,280
Speaker 9: why it is that they incorporate the ostrich feather, the

2538
02:29:45,320 --> 02:29:48,800
Speaker 9: feather from the ostrich bird in the most important ceremonies

2539
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:51,680
Speaker 9: and rituals. And then to ask them one by one

2540
02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:57,400
Speaker 9: why do they incorporate the leopard skin in the most

2541
02:29:57,440 --> 02:30:04,280
Speaker 9: important ceremonies and rituals. And this is very important because

2542
02:30:04,320 --> 02:30:08,600
Speaker 9: as they practice these ceremonies and rituals, whether it's births

2543
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:14,480
Speaker 9: or marriages, or a New Year's celebration or funerals or

2544
02:30:14,520 --> 02:30:19,439
Speaker 9: the change of chieftainship from one chief to the next,

2545
02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:24,240
Speaker 9: they use these these cultural items today that have been

2546
02:30:24,320 --> 02:30:27,400
Speaker 9: used going back thousands and thousands of years which they

2547
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:31,280
Speaker 9: don't know about, but they're practicing the same traditions. So

2548
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:34,199
Speaker 9: the documentary is to show that people are still using

2549
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:37,840
Speaker 9: the Ostrich feather for important rituals and ceremonies that can

2550
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:40,960
Speaker 9: only be warned by the most important people in the society.

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02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:42,000
Speaker 9: Key roles.

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02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:50,640
Speaker 1: Wow, hopefully we have lost Professor MP Kevin. Can you

2553
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:52,800
Speaker 1: see if you can get a fresh back first?

2554
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:53,400
Speaker 5: Oh?

2555
02:30:53,400 --> 02:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, go.

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02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:59,360
Speaker 9: Ahead, okay. So anyway, so the documentary is to show

2557
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:05,440
Speaker 9: kush and the modern Cushite groups that still continue these

2558
02:31:05,879 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 9: the same lifeways. So some of the most enriching experiences

2559
02:31:11,720 --> 02:31:14,520
Speaker 9: to be able to put together a documentary to show

2560
02:31:14,879 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 9: not only that kush is the oldest of the classical

2561
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:24,600
Speaker 9: African civilizations in northeast Northeast Africa, these but the modern

2562
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:29,720
Speaker 9: groups continue to practice the Cushitic lifeways even today. And

2563
02:31:29,800 --> 02:31:33,240
Speaker 9: so the documentary we're working hard on that is over

2564
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:37,760
Speaker 9: fifty hours from the field. We have great footage and

2565
02:31:38,520 --> 02:31:41,959
Speaker 9: I continue with interview questions from last year, so this

2566
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:45,760
Speaker 9: will be in the documentary on Kushite groups in Gambela.

2567
02:31:46,280 --> 02:31:49,720
Speaker 9: So we're now entering in the post production phase, which

2568
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:53,040
Speaker 9: means that we have all of the footage. Now it

2569
02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:56,480
Speaker 9: is to put together the footage and tell the story

2570
02:31:57,000 --> 02:32:02,000
Speaker 9: about cush and its significance. So a documentary I'm really

2571
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:05,840
Speaker 9: hoping that we could could finalize and finish the documentary

2572
02:32:06,040 --> 02:32:10,039
Speaker 9: around this January and then it'll be out to the public.

2573
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:15,080
Speaker 9: I plan to make it available online, also through DVD

2574
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:20,360
Speaker 9: and through the broadcast media. So this would be the

2575
02:32:20,400 --> 02:32:23,640
Speaker 9: first of a series of I'm sure it's going to

2576
02:32:23,720 --> 02:32:30,160
Speaker 9: be groundbreaking because nobody, no scholar, has focused on this

2577
02:32:30,320 --> 02:32:33,279
Speaker 9: kind of work and research. This is why I coined

2578
02:32:33,320 --> 02:32:38,160
Speaker 9: the term Christology for the study of ancient and modern Cush.

2579
02:32:38,280 --> 02:32:42,920
Speaker 9: We hear about Egyptology ancient Egypt, many of us are

2580
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:48,680
Speaker 9: not Egyptologists, where chemictologists and listeners have probably heard about Nubiology,

2581
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:52,119
Speaker 9: the study of ancient and modern Nubia, but no one

2582
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:55,920
Speaker 9: had focused enough on cush to come up with the

2583
02:32:56,040 --> 02:32:58,800
Speaker 9: term to study kush. So that's why I came up

2584
02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:03,280
Speaker 9: with Chrishology. So this film, Kushite Groups in Gambella is

2585
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 9: what I'm working on now and is centered around a

2586
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:14,400
Speaker 9: series of interviews with chiefs, with elders, and with heroes.

2587
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:17,760
Speaker 1: Thirteen at the top, there were pressing me and new

2588
02:33:17,800 --> 02:33:21,480
Speaker 1: ampn professional mpendo. How did that interview process come about?

2589
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Did they trust you where they're open to you? Well,

2590
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:26,600
Speaker 1: they're kind of suspicious. Here's a guy with an American

2591
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,520
Speaker 1: accent going and asking questions about our people. How did

2592
02:33:29,560 --> 02:33:30,160
Speaker 1: that go about?

2593
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:35,360
Speaker 9: Well, I appreciate the question I have. I've been fortunate

2594
02:33:35,400 --> 02:33:38,560
Speaker 9: to have adopted family in different countries, and I've been

2595
02:33:38,600 --> 02:33:44,760
Speaker 9: going to Ethiopia now for about fifteen years. But more importantly,

2596
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:47,560
Speaker 9: I've been doing work in the Olmo Valley in the

2597
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:52,840
Speaker 9: southern area of Ethiopia, and many listening in the DMV area.

2598
02:33:53,640 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 9: There's a lot of Ethiopias and near trains, but almost

2599
02:33:56,760 --> 02:33:59,400
Speaker 9: all of them are from the north. You know, they're

2600
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:02,840
Speaker 9: from the North area. I'm talking about Ethiopia, the what

2601
02:34:02,879 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 9: I call the other Ethiopia in the south, the Oma Valley,

2602
02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:07,520
Speaker 9: those that are not linked to the north.

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02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:08,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

2604
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:13,320
Speaker 9: No, they're they're linked to the people uh in South Sudan,

2605
02:34:13,879 --> 02:34:19,040
Speaker 9: Kenya and Uganda. And so when we first started out

2606
02:34:19,080 --> 02:34:24,080
Speaker 9: about eight years ago, my colleague in ethiop Uh Ethio

2607
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:27,320
Speaker 9: and Allum. We were going to these remote areas, but

2608
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:32,119
Speaker 9: we were interviewing the translators or or really talking mainly

2609
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:36,640
Speaker 9: with translators in it. And my colleague described the problem perfectly.

2610
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 9: He said, you know what, brother, that that we're getting

2611
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:44,440
Speaker 9: broken information. I said, you're you're right. So for the

2612
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:48,560
Speaker 9: last seven years or so, we now only interview the

2613
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:52,360
Speaker 9: leadership in the different groups. So we first, you know,

2614
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:55,640
Speaker 9: had a little stumble because he was saying I was

2615
02:34:55,680 --> 02:34:58,440
Speaker 9: from America and uh, and then he would describe me

2616
02:34:58,520 --> 02:35:00,400
Speaker 9: that way. So it would take me five to ten

2617
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:03,240
Speaker 9: minutes for them to understand that I'm not a part

2618
02:35:03,240 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 9: of USAID or the US government or some university sponsored project.

2619
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:10,680
Speaker 9: So I had to build my credibility. But we soon

2620
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:13,440
Speaker 9: we soon recognized that that was not the right approach.

2621
02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:17,320
Speaker 9: That now he started to introducing me as one of

2622
02:35:17,360 --> 02:35:21,000
Speaker 9: them who's from there and just happened to move away,

2623
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:23,560
Speaker 9: and now I'm back home to document the history. So

2624
02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:26,320
Speaker 9: because we've now been doing that for the last seven years,

2625
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:31,240
Speaker 9: the credibility is automatically there because they they hear about

2626
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,199
Speaker 9: my work, they know about my work, and they see

2627
02:35:33,240 --> 02:35:36,400
Speaker 9: me as one of the you know, the brothers and

2628
02:35:36,480 --> 02:35:39,320
Speaker 9: sisters from the continent, and so now you know, your

2629
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:43,280
Speaker 9: reputation precedes you. So we've have had so many doors open.

2630
02:35:43,640 --> 02:35:46,000
Speaker 9: And one of the things I noticed in the interviews

2631
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:49,240
Speaker 9: this summer is that there were different chiefs. I remember

2632
02:35:49,240 --> 02:35:51,920
Speaker 9: one of the chiefs from the Animac group he was

2633
02:35:51,959 --> 02:35:56,720
Speaker 9: when he was answering my questions about about leadership and

2634
02:35:56,879 --> 02:36:01,600
Speaker 9: chieftainship and ritual and protocol. He said this inspired him

2635
02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:06,520
Speaker 9: to remember the importance of his own traditional life ways

2636
02:36:06,879 --> 02:36:12,320
Speaker 9: and that he was motivated and inspired to embrace it

2637
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:16,400
Speaker 9: even harder and teach even more with more passionate about

2638
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:20,760
Speaker 9: it because he recognized that my energy was was helping

2639
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:24,720
Speaker 9: to motivate him as he was explaining it. Now he's

2640
02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:28,120
Speaker 9: more motivated to continuous life ways. But because I have

2641
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:32,160
Speaker 9: great colleagues like I al, I'm like, they're about you

2642
02:36:32,240 --> 02:36:35,280
Speaker 9: and others who know my work. At first they didn't

2643
02:36:35,320 --> 02:36:38,039
Speaker 9: understand because you know, most people are just tourists. They

2644
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:40,320
Speaker 9: take photos and they run off. But it so it

2645
02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:43,880
Speaker 9: took a while. Now they perfectly understand what my mission is.

2646
02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:46,800
Speaker 9: They they can answer, they can ask some of the

2647
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:48,920
Speaker 9: most of the questions. They know what I'm going to

2648
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 9: ask because it's the same questions about you know, about

2649
02:36:53,560 --> 02:36:58,760
Speaker 9: tradition life ways and high level chieftainship. So it took

2650
02:36:58,760 --> 02:37:01,000
Speaker 9: a while. Took well not a long time, but it

2651
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:02,959
Speaker 9: took a year or so for us to really figure

2652
02:37:02,959 --> 02:37:06,320
Speaker 9: out how they have the doors completely open as they

2653
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:09,840
Speaker 9: are now. So now you know, I have great relationships

2654
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:12,560
Speaker 9: with the with the with a lot of the chiefs

2655
02:37:12,879 --> 02:37:14,680
Speaker 9: and elders and heroes in the region.

2656
02:37:14,760 --> 02:37:17,160
Speaker 1: So it took right and hold. I thought, right there,

2657
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Professor Ampe, we've got a step aside. I let you

2658
02:37:18,680 --> 02:37:20,199
Speaker 1: finish your thought. We'd come back. We've got some folks

2659
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:23,160
Speaker 1: in Virginia and Houston got questions for you. Seventeen minutes

2660
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:24,680
Speaker 1: after the top of they have family. I guess it's

2661
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,760
Speaker 1: Professor May new Mpin from Contra Costa Conzact in California.

2662
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:30,879
Speaker 1: We're talking about it's documentary on cushions trips to Africa.

2663
02:37:30,920 --> 02:37:33,840
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts eight hundred four five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight to seventy six speak to doctor m PM will

2665
02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:39,280
Speaker 1: take your calls next and grand rising family, thanks for

2666
02:37:39,320 --> 02:37:41,800
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Wednesday morning here twenty one

2667
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:43,440
Speaker 1: minutes to have at the top of that with our guests,

2668
02:37:43,480 --> 02:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Professor May and new Ampin. Professor Ampin's were on our

2669
02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:48,480
Speaker 1: top scoars and let me just say this, I guess

2670
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:51,760
Speaker 1: like professor are bringing us some powerful, powerful knowledge. So

2671
02:37:51,800 --> 02:37:53,640
Speaker 1: and find a couple of friends to hear it too.

2672
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,320
Speaker 1: If you if you you know if if they're not

2673
02:37:56,400 --> 02:37:58,920
Speaker 1: listening right now, get a copy of the podcast it'll

2674
02:37:58,959 --> 02:38:01,480
Speaker 1: be out probably by and share it with him as well.

2675
02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:03,920
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

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02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:06,000
Speaker 1: seventy six thomas Is are reaching out to us from

2677
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:09,240
Speaker 1: Virginia's online one Grand Rising. Thomas, you have a question

2678
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:13,680
Speaker 1: for Professor and mainu Mpim Grand Rising.

2679
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:18,119
Speaker 6: Professor, I wanted to ask a question, and I hear

2680
02:38:18,320 --> 02:38:24,400
Speaker 6: it in your excellent ExPASy of this subject. I didn't

2681
02:38:24,440 --> 02:38:30,520
Speaker 6: hear the name of Holly Celestii. Could you briefly explain

2682
02:38:30,760 --> 02:38:35,160
Speaker 6: any information that you have about him? When he was

2683
02:38:35,240 --> 02:38:39,680
Speaker 6: brought before the United Nations and the world and made

2684
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:44,120
Speaker 6: the White man bow to the first King, and they

2685
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:47,560
Speaker 6: crowned him with the star David, when they brought him

2686
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:51,400
Speaker 6: here to Washington, when Kennedy put that star around his neck,

2687
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:54,840
Speaker 6: can you explain on the concept of who he was

2688
02:38:55,640 --> 02:38:56,720
Speaker 6: and the lineage of that.

2689
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:03,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, he can, thank you, my brother. I appreciate it. Well,

2690
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:06,240
Speaker 9: you know, he comes from a great lineage going back

2691
02:39:06,280 --> 02:39:10,600
Speaker 9: to Menelik the second. So this is a royal tradition,

2692
02:39:11,080 --> 02:39:17,480
Speaker 9: and so Halassie Elaste is respected by many, not all,

2693
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:25,080
Speaker 9: but definitely respected by many Ethiopians. But he had a

2694
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:28,520
Speaker 9: great impact. And it's not an accident that through the

2695
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:33,920
Speaker 9: leadership of Holly Selassie that we have Ethiopia as really

2696
02:39:33,959 --> 02:39:38,920
Speaker 9: the center of African politics today, so the organization of

2697
02:39:38,959 --> 02:39:43,160
Speaker 9: African Unity and so forth. But if they meet there

2698
02:39:43,240 --> 02:39:47,000
Speaker 9: and in O East Ababa, the capital city, Celastie played

2699
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:51,360
Speaker 9: a very critical role in that. And so I think

2700
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:54,720
Speaker 9: when we look at his long lineage and lineage of

2701
02:39:54,840 --> 02:39:59,760
Speaker 9: leadership in Ethiopia, he's central to that. You know, he's central,

2702
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:03,720
Speaker 9: as you probably know, to the Rostafari movement and the

2703
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:08,160
Speaker 9: roster Fari gave land. So there's some that come to

2704
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:15,240
Speaker 9: to UH, you know, to to to UH as session

2705
02:40:15,320 --> 02:40:19,879
Speaker 9: money for example. That's land that Celasties set aside for

2706
02:40:19,959 --> 02:40:23,640
Speaker 9: the group. You know. So there's many reasons why people

2707
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:29,920
Speaker 9: honor Holly celasse and you know, someone who comes from

2708
02:40:30,040 --> 02:40:34,280
Speaker 9: long lineage of rulership so UH. You know, he's highly

2709
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:37,800
Speaker 9: respected in some areas and some quarters of Ethiopia, but

2710
02:40:37,879 --> 02:40:41,160
Speaker 9: he definitely is an important example in UH in the

2711
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:44,520
Speaker 9: twentieth century that people should look to. And then you know,

2712
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:48,800
Speaker 9: it's not an accident why Ethiopia holds such a great

2713
02:40:48,840 --> 02:40:53,160
Speaker 9: place UH in Africa today, and so many international bodies

2714
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:56,080
Speaker 9: meet there because it's been a hub for quite some

2715
02:40:56,240 --> 02:41:00,000
Speaker 9: time and hotly. Selassie is at the center of this UH,

2716
02:41:00,120 --> 02:41:03,840
Speaker 9: of the elevation of Ethiopia, so very important. By the way,

2717
02:41:03,879 --> 02:41:07,800
Speaker 9: the name, just as a side note, Ethiopia is the

2718
02:41:07,879 --> 02:41:11,600
Speaker 9: Greek name, which means black face, burnt faced, or kissed

2719
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:16,120
Speaker 9: by the sun. But the old name, even before Solomon

2720
02:41:16,520 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 9: and Minilk, even before that, it was called Kush. We

2721
02:41:20,959 --> 02:41:23,480
Speaker 9: don't know what Kush means, but the Greeks when they

2722
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:28,039
Speaker 9: were referring to Kush, they called the people Ethiops and

2723
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:31,360
Speaker 9: the place Ethiopia, So it's actually a foreign name. So

2724
02:41:31,400 --> 02:41:34,120
Speaker 9: that's something that people should know. And that's one reason

2725
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:39,840
Speaker 9: I'm very interested in Ethiopia because the heartland of Kush

2726
02:41:40,480 --> 02:41:44,600
Speaker 9: was in that region. The heartland was actually in current

2727
02:41:44,680 --> 02:41:47,920
Speaker 9: day Sudan, that's where they built the most enduring monuments,

2728
02:41:48,440 --> 02:41:52,440
Speaker 9: but push spread throughout the entire region current day Egypt,

2729
02:41:52,480 --> 02:41:57,280
Speaker 9: Ethiopia or Tria, Djibouti, you name the Egypt, and even

2730
02:41:57,320 --> 02:42:02,760
Speaker 9: across the Red Sea into Yemen and in Saudi Arabia

2731
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:06,880
Speaker 9: as well. But anyway, so Salali Celestie is very important

2732
02:42:07,480 --> 02:42:13,480
Speaker 9: to the development and the modernization of Ethiopia. So yeah,

2733
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:14,920
Speaker 9: he's highly respected.

2734
02:42:17,400 --> 02:42:20,720
Speaker 1: Ethiopia the only country that was never colonized on the continent.

2735
02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:25,080
Speaker 9: Yes, and they that's one of the things. So in

2736
02:42:25,080 --> 02:42:28,360
Speaker 9: Ethiopia they have a theme. The one theme is the

2737
02:42:28,440 --> 02:42:31,800
Speaker 9: land of Origins, so the government agency that you mentioned

2738
02:42:31,800 --> 02:42:35,840
Speaker 9: the land of Origins. And then secondly, it's not never colonized.

2739
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:38,440
Speaker 9: And they used the Battle of Ottawa in eighteen ninety

2740
02:42:38,480 --> 02:42:41,480
Speaker 9: six as an example when they beat back the Italians.

2741
02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:46,360
Speaker 9: And however the Italians did They did occupy Ethiopia from

2742
02:42:46,440 --> 02:42:49,600
Speaker 9: nineteen thirty five to nineteen forty one, so it was

2743
02:42:49,680 --> 02:42:55,120
Speaker 9: occupied but not fully colonized, and so they do mention that.

2744
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:59,000
Speaker 9: But also I point out to people, yeah, it wasn't colonized.

2745
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:02,840
Speaker 9: But also let's let's be clear that there's that there's

2746
02:43:02,920 --> 02:43:07,320
Speaker 9: not Italian influence. There is, yeah, it really is. So

2747
02:43:08,920 --> 02:43:13,400
Speaker 9: you know, like the largest market in the entire region,

2748
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,080
Speaker 9: some say all of Africa, but I know that the

2749
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:22,000
Speaker 9: largest market for buying and selling in the entire region

2750
02:43:22,120 --> 02:43:26,760
Speaker 9: is the mercado. Mercado is the Italian word for market.

2751
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:30,800
Speaker 9: So you have those kinds of influences, so that yes,

2752
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:34,600
Speaker 9: never colonized, but we also have to be realistic at

2753
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:38,480
Speaker 9: that there was and still is some influence. But at

2754
02:43:38,520 --> 02:43:44,879
Speaker 9: the same time, Ethiopia remain uncolonized and does have a

2755
02:43:45,160 --> 02:43:50,920
Speaker 9: great independent cultural resistance that is beautiful to experience.

2756
02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is twenty seven. At the top of that,

2757
02:43:54,400 --> 02:43:56,840
Speaker 1: let's go to Houston. Kevin's waiting for us. He's online too,

2758
02:43:56,959 --> 02:44:00,440
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Kevin, your questions for Professor Manu Champion?

2759
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:05,039
Speaker 14: Thank you for taking a call. What are some of

2760
02:44:05,080 --> 02:44:11,440
Speaker 14: the things that the African countries need in terms of

2761
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:16,520
Speaker 14: what we in this country have to offer, some of

2762
02:44:16,520 --> 02:44:27,480
Speaker 14: the resources, intellectual whatever that And is there a continental language,

2763
02:44:28,120 --> 02:44:34,640
Speaker 14: common language that they're that they're that they're settling on

2764
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:38,080
Speaker 14: or they're going to be putting in place? And then

2765
02:44:38,120 --> 02:44:42,760
Speaker 14: the third question is what about the conflict between Ethiopia

2766
02:44:42,959 --> 02:44:47,120
Speaker 14: and Eurytrea. And I'll hang up and I'll listen to

2767
02:44:47,160 --> 02:44:47,880
Speaker 14: your response.

2768
02:44:50,280 --> 02:44:54,360
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you brother for that. Let's see I think

2769
02:44:54,440 --> 02:44:59,160
Speaker 9: the first to say what we could what they need? Well,

2770
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:02,560
Speaker 9: one of the things that that can be helpful is

2771
02:45:02,600 --> 02:45:06,040
Speaker 9: that people instead of instead of vacationing, you know, people

2772
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:10,200
Speaker 9: that have disposable resources can go and just volunteer. They

2773
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:15,040
Speaker 9: don't have to wait for some uh some Uian agency

2774
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:19,720
Speaker 9: or some big organization to set up some teacher teacher

2775
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:23,320
Speaker 9: program for people to go and teach. But we can

2776
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:25,440
Speaker 9: do that, We really can. I mean, one of the

2777
02:45:25,480 --> 02:45:31,320
Speaker 9: things they definitely need is to you know, being able

2778
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:35,199
Speaker 9: to communicate effectively in English. Being able to write, for example,

2779
02:45:35,360 --> 02:45:40,080
Speaker 9: can help as they articulate themselves or learn also learn

2780
02:45:40,200 --> 02:45:42,520
Speaker 9: other kind of skills. One of the things that I'm doing,

2781
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:48,240
Speaker 9: for example, and I I'm going to sign a a

2782
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:54,480
Speaker 9: mo OU memorandum with the University of with Gambella University,

2783
02:45:55,320 --> 02:45:58,200
Speaker 9: and that is to really help guide them because they

2784
02:45:58,280 --> 02:46:03,320
Speaker 9: don't have a his Street department. But the president is

2785
02:46:03,400 --> 02:46:06,040
Speaker 9: well aware that this is one of the great things

2786
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:11,560
Speaker 9: that they could use that. So they have tourism the

2787
02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:15,600
Speaker 9: area that they're developing, and they're looking to develop their

2788
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:20,480
Speaker 9: cultural resources to learn and promote Gambella culture. But they

2789
02:46:20,480 --> 02:46:23,960
Speaker 9: don't have a history department. And this is my field.

2790
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:27,080
Speaker 9: I'm a trained historian. So one of the things I'm

2791
02:46:27,080 --> 02:46:32,039
Speaker 9: going to contribute is to really train and mentor historians

2792
02:46:32,040 --> 02:46:35,840
Speaker 9: and help guide them in creating a history department. They

2793
02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:38,920
Speaker 9: don't always in a different universe. They don't always have that.

2794
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:42,000
Speaker 9: And one of the things that I found as I

2795
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:45,240
Speaker 9: work to develop more and more relationships with the universities

2796
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:52,519
Speaker 9: is that they tend to rely on outside or Western archaeologists,

2797
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:58,480
Speaker 9: Western anthropologists, and it's like a strange conversation. I'm talking

2798
02:46:58,520 --> 02:47:01,880
Speaker 9: about field work that I'm going in the Olmo Valley

2799
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:06,120
Speaker 9: region and they're quoting some white guy from abroad. So

2800
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:09,880
Speaker 9: are you kidding me? You guys, you have direct access

2801
02:47:10,440 --> 02:47:15,240
Speaker 9: to these special and remote communities and you're quoting the

2802
02:47:15,320 --> 02:47:17,640
Speaker 9: white guy. But this is what's happening. So I think

2803
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:20,760
Speaker 9: if we can bring our expertise in whatever area is

2804
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:23,120
Speaker 9: this is what they need, you know, really for people

2805
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:27,279
Speaker 9: to get paid something very minor, or if they can volunteer,

2806
02:47:27,320 --> 02:47:30,080
Speaker 9: that's great as well. But they do need that, they

2807
02:47:30,879 --> 02:47:33,640
Speaker 9: need our help and assistance and they can definitely use that.

2808
02:47:34,280 --> 02:47:36,439
Speaker 9: That's one thing you also mentioned.

2809
02:47:36,879 --> 02:47:41,800
Speaker 17: There's no possibility in the immediate future of having any

2810
02:47:42,360 --> 02:47:46,320
Speaker 17: any language, any one linguid franca or one language in

2811
02:47:46,360 --> 02:47:49,480
Speaker 17: Africa because the groups are too they're too.

2812
02:47:49,360 --> 02:47:52,600
Speaker 9: Wedded to their own traditions. They're not going to give

2813
02:47:52,640 --> 02:47:55,760
Speaker 9: up their language. So the most you can do, or

2814
02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:58,359
Speaker 9: that could be done is look at maybe regional languages.

2815
02:47:58,400 --> 02:48:02,680
Speaker 9: Like in West Africa, many people people speak Bambara, so

2816
02:48:02,879 --> 02:48:05,480
Speaker 9: can that be used as a local or kind of

2817
02:48:05,480 --> 02:48:09,120
Speaker 9: a regional language. About East Africa, Swahili is not an

2818
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:12,760
Speaker 9: ethnic group, so Swahili has been targeted, you know, decades

2819
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:16,520
Speaker 9: ago as maybe being the one language rather than French

2820
02:48:17,080 --> 02:48:20,640
Speaker 9: or English being the language that the communicate in. But

2821
02:48:20,680 --> 02:48:23,240
Speaker 9: what about Swahili because it's not ethnic groups, so no

2822
02:48:23,280 --> 02:48:27,480
Speaker 9: one's giving up their ethnic identity. But people just use

2823
02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:31,760
Speaker 9: Swahili outside of the immediate speakers just for trade. But

2824
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:35,360
Speaker 9: it's very difficult because the groups are really locked into

2825
02:48:35,400 --> 02:48:37,680
Speaker 9: their own groups and they're not going to give up

2826
02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:42,600
Speaker 9: anything in their cultural lifeways just to embrace something that

2827
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:45,360
Speaker 9: other groups are using. So it has to be more practical.

2828
02:48:45,440 --> 02:48:49,640
Speaker 9: Maybe there's railway systems roads from that link states together,

2829
02:48:50,040 --> 02:48:52,439
Speaker 9: but it has to be a practical way. And Shaykanta

2830
02:48:52,480 --> 02:48:55,600
Speaker 9: d I wrote about that when he wrote about Black

2831
02:48:55,640 --> 02:48:59,000
Speaker 9: Africa the Economic and Cultural Basis of a Federated State,

2832
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:03,840
Speaker 9: where he said there has to be practical linkages, communications systems,

2833
02:49:03,879 --> 02:49:06,360
Speaker 9: travel systems. But right now, you want to go from

2834
02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:08,480
Speaker 9: one country to another, usually got to go to some

2835
02:49:08,560 --> 02:49:10,960
Speaker 9: other part of the continent and then come back to

2836
02:49:11,000 --> 02:49:12,600
Speaker 9: the country you really want to go to where you've

2837
02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:14,600
Speaker 9: got to go to Europe and then come back. So

2838
02:49:14,640 --> 02:49:19,400
Speaker 9: those are all problems to stay the least at Ethiopian Ertria.

2839
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:25,800
Speaker 9: The Italians were instrumental in that conflict, and so they

2840
02:49:25,879 --> 02:49:29,480
Speaker 9: still have ongoing conflict, even though there's a lot of

2841
02:49:29,560 --> 02:49:36,039
Speaker 9: overlap in terms of their spiritual practices. Family. But you know,

2842
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:42,240
Speaker 9: some some Ethiopians don't recognize Eryitria at all. Others do

2843
02:49:42,320 --> 02:49:45,600
Speaker 9: recognize Ertria, and they tend, as I've seen, they tend

2844
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:49,240
Speaker 9: to have better relationships here in the US than they

2845
02:49:49,320 --> 02:49:52,480
Speaker 9: than they do back home. But these are uh, you know,

2846
02:49:52,600 --> 02:49:57,000
Speaker 9: divisions that were created by the colonialists that still still

2847
02:49:57,640 --> 02:49:59,840
Speaker 9: exists and take place today. And by the way, it's

2848
02:49:59,840 --> 02:50:03,560
Speaker 9: not eat the Opian air treat within Ethiopia. There's vast

2849
02:50:03,560 --> 02:50:07,120
Speaker 9: differences here Romo and them hard they don't get along,

2850
02:50:08,040 --> 02:50:10,560
Speaker 9: they don't and you have other groups they just don't

2851
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:13,400
Speaker 9: and then you have other groups they don't get along

2852
02:50:13,400 --> 02:50:17,040
Speaker 9: with the government. So when I'm traveling, folks, when I'm

2853
02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:20,040
Speaker 9: traveling and doing research, we have to have security with

2854
02:50:20,120 --> 02:50:24,000
Speaker 9: us all the time because there's conflict everywhere. But it's

2855
02:50:24,040 --> 02:50:27,080
Speaker 9: just like in any city in the US. Yes there's conflict,

2856
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:29,400
Speaker 9: Yes there could be issues, but you get used to

2857
02:50:29,440 --> 02:50:31,440
Speaker 9: it and you know where to go, where not to go,

2858
02:50:31,560 --> 02:50:33,840
Speaker 9: and when not to go there. And that's what we've

2859
02:50:33,879 --> 02:50:36,560
Speaker 9: been able to do over the years. So will trust

2860
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:39,039
Speaker 9: me when I'm doing the field work. It ain't a

2861
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:41,400
Speaker 9: piece of cake. But this is my life's work. I

2862
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:44,120
Speaker 9: didn't choose the mission. The mission chose me. So I

2863
02:50:44,120 --> 02:50:47,360
Speaker 9: don't operate out of fear because in reality, even with

2864
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:50,640
Speaker 9: the conflict within Ethiopia, in these different areas and the

2865
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 9: remote areas for example, where I'm at, when I take

2866
02:50:55,480 --> 02:50:58,120
Speaker 9: a look at it, in reality, I'm more at risk

2867
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:02,240
Speaker 9: here in the States as a brother than I am there.

2868
02:51:02,600 --> 02:51:05,920
Speaker 9: I live in Oakland, California, and work in Contra Costic

2869
02:51:05,959 --> 02:51:09,240
Speaker 9: Collegi is in Richmond, So I'm in a high risk

2870
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:12,000
Speaker 9: group on a regular and constant basis. And this is

2871
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:14,720
Speaker 9: what I had to inform the film crew of I said,

2872
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:19,040
Speaker 9: you guys live in Oakland. You're talking about some issue

2873
02:51:19,080 --> 02:51:21,760
Speaker 9: here in Gambela. I said, take a look at how

2874
02:51:21,800 --> 02:51:25,440
Speaker 9: many people were killed just in your city when they

2875
02:51:25,440 --> 02:51:27,600
Speaker 9: were at home. But in Gambella you got to actually

2876
02:51:27,600 --> 02:51:30,360
Speaker 9: go to the conflict area for the most part. So anyway,

2877
02:51:30,400 --> 02:51:33,080
Speaker 9: there's a lot of conflict within Ethiopia, so a lot

2878
02:51:33,080 --> 02:51:35,000
Speaker 9: of work to be done. So I just say really

2879
02:51:35,320 --> 02:51:38,600
Speaker 9: that whatever skilled person has, if they have the desire,

2880
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,560
Speaker 9: then we can definitely I could definitely help them to

2881
02:51:43,160 --> 02:51:45,959
Speaker 9: find a way to utilize their skill and also for

2882
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:48,720
Speaker 9: the documentary. So I'm really easy to reach. It's main

2883
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:53,080
Speaker 9: new MPM at Gmail. That's M A n U and

2884
02:51:53,240 --> 02:51:56,840
Speaker 9: last name is A M P I M. If you

2885
02:51:56,879 --> 02:51:59,840
Speaker 9: email me, I can definitely connect you with some folks

2886
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:03,320
Speaker 9: that certainly could use some help and support in Ethiopia.

2887
02:52:03,440 --> 02:52:06,520
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, well let me jomm here because we're

2888
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:08,680
Speaker 1: raising the clock, coming up on a break. But isn't

2889
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:12,360
Speaker 1: Ethiopia and Egypt beefing about the water dam currently as

2890
02:52:12,360 --> 02:52:12,800
Speaker 1: we speak?

2891
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a that's a big issue because the British

2892
02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:19,520
Speaker 9: the same old haughty and arrogant British when they went

2893
02:52:19,560 --> 02:52:22,520
Speaker 9: into the area. The British first conquered Egypt and they

2894
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:26,600
Speaker 9: went south into Sudan and set up their their colonial rule,

2895
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:30,520
Speaker 9: and they set up this agreement that Egypt would use

2896
02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:37,000
Speaker 9: the vast majority of the Nile River resources, and so

2897
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:42,280
Speaker 9: so Ethiopia participated in this as as a country that

2898
02:52:42,640 --> 02:52:46,440
Speaker 9: was not able to wield any influence in this agreement,

2899
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:51,760
Speaker 9: so Dan was under the authority of of of of

2900
02:52:51,800 --> 02:52:55,560
Speaker 9: the British at Ethiopia really had no leverage. So they,

2901
02:52:55,760 --> 02:52:58,760
Speaker 9: according to the Egyptians, can't use that much of the

2902
02:52:58,879 --> 02:53:03,520
Speaker 9: Nile to for their own purposes. And then Egypt still

2903
02:53:03,560 --> 02:53:06,080
Speaker 9: wants the Lion's share with an agreement that was made

2904
02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:09,439
Speaker 9: one hundred years ago. So Ethiopia said, we will build dams,

2905
02:53:09,640 --> 02:53:12,240
Speaker 9: we will do what we want with the own water resources.

2906
02:53:12,240 --> 02:53:14,800
Speaker 9: And Egypt said, actually, you're not, and if you do

2907
02:53:14,920 --> 02:53:16,720
Speaker 9: that and continue to do that, we're going to go

2908
02:53:16,760 --> 02:53:20,520
Speaker 9: to war. So the whole Nile basin group of countries,

2909
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:23,200
Speaker 9: it is about nine or ten countries, you know, they

2910
02:53:23,320 --> 02:53:29,160
Speaker 9: meet to try to discuss how to collectively benefit from

2911
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:31,920
Speaker 9: the Nile, the branches of the Nile River. But Egypt

2912
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:34,480
Speaker 9: wants the Lion's share, and they're going back to an old,

2913
02:53:34,600 --> 02:53:40,720
Speaker 9: outrageous British colonial agreement that has no credibility. In Ethiopia

2914
02:53:40,879 --> 02:53:45,400
Speaker 9: has been independent, is independent and they will make independent decisions.

2915
02:53:45,400 --> 02:53:49,560
Speaker 9: So Egypt will continue to press and claim that they're

2916
02:53:49,560 --> 02:53:51,440
Speaker 9: going to go to war if they don't get their way.

2917
02:53:52,320 --> 02:53:52,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

2918
02:53:52,840 --> 02:53:55,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for if a class find that, just hear

2919
02:53:55,280 --> 02:53:57,360
Speaker 1: and read about the reports and know the background, and

2920
02:53:57,400 --> 02:53:59,240
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that with us. It's twenty three

2921
02:53:59,280 --> 02:54:00,760
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of that. We're gona take

2922
02:54:00,760 --> 02:54:02,200
Speaker 1: a last break and we got some more folks want

2923
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:04,440
Speaker 1: to talk to Professor man New MPM. You too can

2924
02:54:04,520 --> 02:54:06,800
Speaker 1: join the discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred

2925
02:54:06,840 --> 02:54:09,920
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take

2926
02:54:09,920 --> 02:54:12,920
Speaker 1: a phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

2927
02:54:12,920 --> 02:54:15,959
Speaker 1: sticking with us on this Wednesday morning. Here seventeen minutes

2928
02:54:15,959 --> 02:54:17,760
Speaker 1: away from the top of that with our guest, Professor

2929
02:54:17,879 --> 02:54:20,560
Speaker 1: May New Ampinn from Contra Costa College out in California

2930
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:23,480
Speaker 1: and Northern California, discussing what's going on in the continent.

2931
02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth

2932
02:54:26,520 --> 02:54:29,000
Speaker 1: number to call speak to Professor AMPM. Brother Collis is

2933
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:32,000
Speaker 1: reaching out first, he's online one Grand Rising brother Collus,

2934
02:54:32,080 --> 02:54:33,879
Speaker 1: You're on with the professor Ampim.

2935
02:54:35,080 --> 02:54:38,640
Speaker 10: Rising and thank you very much for the valuable information.

2936
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:44,160
Speaker 10: Professor MPEN, I respect, I just want to keep it

2937
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:48,440
Speaker 10: real is what we're dealing with in the European the

2938
02:54:48,480 --> 02:54:56,840
Speaker 10: master instigator, the master thief in our cultural values and

2939
02:54:57,000 --> 02:55:02,560
Speaker 10: artifacts from the app of the African continents. Uh. It

2940
02:55:02,920 --> 02:55:06,960
Speaker 10: is akin to a criminal enterprise, the greatest criminal enterprise

2941
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:11,560
Speaker 10: in the world, uh, which which he has participated in.

2942
02:55:12,160 --> 02:55:16,080
Speaker 10: And and uh even uh for one example, the Pope

2943
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:20,120
Speaker 10: uh with his staff and his point it had stealing

2944
02:55:20,200 --> 02:55:24,360
Speaker 10: from the pharaohs of of of of Egypt, or chemic

2945
02:55:24,520 --> 02:55:25,199
Speaker 10: and so forth.

2946
02:55:25,720 --> 02:55:25,840
Speaker 6: Uh.

2947
02:55:26,040 --> 02:55:29,720
Speaker 10: But uh, I think we have to be honest and

2948
02:55:29,760 --> 02:55:33,320
Speaker 10: we have to tell our children, particularly you know, about

2949
02:55:33,360 --> 02:55:36,480
Speaker 10: our great legacy, legacy and how this legacy has been

2950
02:55:36,520 --> 02:55:40,520
Speaker 10: stolen from us. Uh, you know, by by the Europeans

2951
02:55:41,160 --> 02:55:43,800
Speaker 10: who came to the continent to to rape and the

2952
02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:47,600
Speaker 10: pillage and to steal, and to this day they still

2953
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:52,600
Speaker 10: engage in that criminal enterprise. And I hope you can

2954
02:55:52,680 --> 02:55:55,160
Speaker 10: respond to comment on that, my dear brother, and I

2955
02:55:55,160 --> 02:55:56,840
Speaker 10: appreciate you and all the information.

2956
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:03,160
Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you, brother. Yeah, I appreciate it. Well, yeah,

2957
02:56:03,480 --> 02:56:07,920
Speaker 9: you're right, he's a master instigator. There's no question whatsoever.

2958
02:56:08,320 --> 02:56:13,120
Speaker 9: And you mentioned a couple of terms. But yeah, the

2959
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:17,080
Speaker 9: stolen legacy is something that we've had to overcome it

2960
02:56:17,160 --> 02:56:22,160
Speaker 9: and also the destruction of these African civilizations has also

2961
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:24,920
Speaker 9: been something that we've had to overcome. So that's part

2962
02:56:24,959 --> 02:56:30,400
Speaker 9: of our task is to remember to recover from historical amnesia.

2963
02:56:30,920 --> 02:56:33,080
Speaker 9: You know, the d naive person can say, well, it

2964
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,640
Speaker 9: doesn't matter. We're in modern US, so no, it does matter.

2965
02:56:37,160 --> 02:56:39,160
Speaker 9: Just like France, for Non said, we can't try to

2966
02:56:39,240 --> 02:56:44,960
Speaker 9: catch up and duplicate the decadentes of Europe or euro America.

2967
02:56:45,560 --> 02:56:49,080
Speaker 9: We have a tradition that worked out problems, and we

2968
02:56:49,160 --> 02:56:52,640
Speaker 9: need to embrace the tradition to help us solve problems today.

2969
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:57,320
Speaker 9: So it's very important that we recognize where these problems

2970
02:56:57,320 --> 02:57:00,680
Speaker 9: have come from. These are outside values that had nothing

2971
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:07,279
Speaker 9: to do with traditional culture and being among the chiefs, elders, heroes,

2972
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:13,080
Speaker 9: it's amazing that they represent a solid basis and foundation

2973
02:57:13,280 --> 02:57:15,640
Speaker 9: for us to look back in order to move forward.

2974
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:19,920
Speaker 9: And they're serious about it. They're very serious. If someone

2975
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:22,760
Speaker 9: violates what's in the best interest of the community, there's

2976
02:57:22,800 --> 02:57:25,240
Speaker 9: a price to pay, and that's one of the things

2977
02:57:25,280 --> 02:57:28,240
Speaker 9: we have to get back to. You know, shaming is now.

2978
02:57:29,160 --> 02:57:31,119
Speaker 9: You know people run around say they have no shame

2979
02:57:31,160 --> 02:57:33,959
Speaker 9: in their game. Really we have no shame but that's

2980
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:35,879
Speaker 9: one of the things that would keep people in order.

2981
02:57:36,440 --> 02:57:38,680
Speaker 9: It's shaming, and then people would do something about it

2982
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:42,360
Speaker 9: physically if need be. And I've talked to different chiefs

2983
02:57:42,360 --> 02:57:44,440
Speaker 9: who made the very clear that if somebody is out

2984
02:57:44,480 --> 02:57:48,560
Speaker 9: of pocket that threatens the best interest and welfare of

2985
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:51,360
Speaker 9: the community or the village, there is a price to pay,

2986
02:57:51,400 --> 02:57:54,800
Speaker 9: an immediate price to pay. So we have to know

2987
02:57:54,879 --> 02:57:58,000
Speaker 9: those things and recognize what our traditional values have been

2988
02:57:58,200 --> 02:58:00,640
Speaker 9: and how they have served us if we're going to

2989
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:04,160
Speaker 9: move forward. So I do appreciate you your comments. But

2990
02:58:04,440 --> 02:58:08,760
Speaker 9: now one thing I would also add is that I'm

2991
02:58:08,840 --> 02:58:13,240
Speaker 9: not sure everybody listening would know, but some may if

2992
02:58:13,240 --> 02:58:15,600
Speaker 9: you're really in tune with what's happening with young people.

2993
02:58:15,959 --> 02:58:19,760
Speaker 9: But one of the greatest, most devastating things that's taking

2994
02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:24,119
Speaker 9: place right now that's infiltrated the US and our community

2995
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:27,720
Speaker 9: is suffering greatly from our young people who are who

2996
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:33,440
Speaker 9: are absolutely dominated and controlled by TikTok. That's where they

2997
02:58:33,480 --> 02:58:35,360
Speaker 9: get their values. And you have some of the most

2998
02:58:35,400 --> 02:58:40,480
Speaker 9: outrageous videos that people will post things that a normal person,

2999
02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:45,040
Speaker 9: things that a self respecting person would never tell anybody.

3000
02:58:45,440 --> 02:58:47,720
Speaker 9: These people will go online and tell the world through

3001
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:50,720
Speaker 9: the Internet because they want likes, they want clicks, they

3002
02:58:50,760 --> 02:58:53,400
Speaker 9: want clout, and this is what the norm is. And

3003
02:58:53,400 --> 02:58:56,959
Speaker 9: then you get these crazy people not only responding to

3004
02:58:57,000 --> 02:59:00,520
Speaker 9: these videos but embracing the values. So this part of

3005
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:04,359
Speaker 9: our challenge. Now you get teenagers, people in their twenties,

3006
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:09,560
Speaker 9: even in their past thirties, in their forties on making

3007
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,840
Speaker 9: some crazy videos. But that's what we're struggling with now,

3008
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:17,000
Speaker 9: is the promotion of outrageous values that have nothing to

3009
02:59:17,080 --> 02:59:20,760
Speaker 9: do with sharing or carrying or with moving the community forward.

3010
02:59:20,879 --> 02:59:24,879
Speaker 9: These are individuals that are promoting the most vile content

3011
02:59:24,959 --> 02:59:27,360
Speaker 9: that you can imagine. Whether they believe all of it

3012
02:59:27,480 --> 02:59:29,800
Speaker 9: or not. Most of them do believe it. Some they

3013
02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:31,440
Speaker 9: don't have to believe it. As long as they can

3014
02:59:31,480 --> 02:59:36,400
Speaker 9: get likes and interaction, then they can get money. They're

3015
02:59:36,440 --> 02:59:38,600
Speaker 9: looking to get paid monetarily, and this is what we're

3016
02:59:38,600 --> 02:59:41,200
Speaker 9: struggling against. We can have, on the one hand, a

3017
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:45,240
Speaker 9: great Carl Nelson radio program, but then we are directly

3018
02:59:46,920 --> 02:59:51,240
Speaker 9: being challenged by the viral TikTok videos that are teaching

3019
02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:56,160
Speaker 9: people how to involve themselves with debauchery and Western values

3020
02:59:56,200 --> 03:00:00,680
Speaker 9: that have nothing to do with destruction of community, family.

3021
03:00:00,440 --> 03:00:03,840
Speaker 1: Life turn away from the top of our brother Sadeka

3022
03:00:03,840 --> 03:00:08,520
Speaker 1: Baccari continuously warns us about putting our personal information on

3023
03:00:08,600 --> 03:00:11,560
Speaker 1: the internet because that says that's what they need, the algorithms,

3024
03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:14,080
Speaker 1: that's how they get us get and if they can't

3025
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:17,840
Speaker 1: operate without us giving up our personal information. But that's

3026
03:00:17,879 --> 03:00:19,840
Speaker 1: beside the point. Some of these folks need to go

3027
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:22,280
Speaker 1: see if we could bring doctor Welson back and have

3028
03:00:22,360 --> 03:00:25,040
Speaker 1: them sit on a couch. Eight hundred and four or

3029
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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seven. Sis Kaushi is joining us

3030
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Speaker 1: from Malan Online. Two grand rising Cashiba. You're on with

3031
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Speaker 1: Professor Impim.

3032
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Speaker 13: Oh.

3033
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Speaker 12: Great show as usual, Carl, Thank you very much, and

3034
03:00:36,760 --> 03:00:41,480
Speaker 12: thank you Professor Ampim for all that you do. The

3035
03:00:41,560 --> 03:00:44,480
Speaker 12: last thing that you said you were talking about these

3036
03:00:44,879 --> 03:00:49,680
Speaker 12: they're all on TikTok. Some of these young people have

3037
03:00:49,760 --> 03:00:54,720
Speaker 12: their own website. My grandson gave me three of them

3038
03:00:55,040 --> 03:00:58,640
Speaker 12: and there were tons of them. They get all those clicks.

3039
03:00:59,000 --> 03:01:01,680
Speaker 12: I think, Carl, you should have a show just on that.

3040
03:01:03,959 --> 03:01:06,840
Speaker 12: I guess somebody has to put their name out in

3041
03:01:06,840 --> 03:01:09,080
Speaker 12: the open because I don't think most parents know who

3042
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:14,440
Speaker 12: they are. But the reason I called regarding Africa, and

3043
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:17,400
Speaker 12: I'm sorry it might be a little off topic, but

3044
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:24,200
Speaker 12: the situation in the Sudan. I'm finding that a lot

3045
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:32,160
Speaker 12: of our black people that have Internet, they have their

3046
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:35,760
Speaker 12: own Internet shows, they tend to avoid talking about the

3047
03:01:35,800 --> 03:01:42,599
Speaker 12: situation in the Sudan is that the RSF is sponsored

3048
03:01:42,840 --> 03:01:47,120
Speaker 12: or given a great deal of money to fight against

3049
03:01:47,360 --> 03:01:52,800
Speaker 12: the government of the Sudan and the RSF the Arab

3050
03:01:52,879 --> 03:01:54,920
Speaker 12: country that's responsible for that.

3051
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,640
Speaker 16: Is you a e.

3052
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Speaker 12: United Arab Emermrades? What are they afraid to say anything

3053
03:02:04,200 --> 03:02:08,480
Speaker 12: against the Arabs? Is that the reason why I'm talking

3054
03:02:08,480 --> 03:02:10,760
Speaker 12: about I'm not gonna name any names, but there's some

3055
03:02:10,840 --> 03:02:14,160
Speaker 12: local ones here in DC that have their own websites.

3056
03:02:16,040 --> 03:02:19,560
Speaker 12: They don't tend to want to say anything. I know

3057
03:02:20,360 --> 03:02:22,720
Speaker 12: our black people in Congress, some of them are on

3058
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:27,280
Speaker 12: the take from Israel, so they don't say anything. But

3059
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:32,880
Speaker 12: what about that situation? The Arabs also are causing chaos

3060
03:02:32,920 --> 03:02:34,040
Speaker 12: in parts of Africa.

3061
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Speaker 9: Right, No, that's a good point, my sister, I appreciate

3062
03:02:38,600 --> 03:02:43,440
Speaker 9: your comments. So in Sudan, actually had been working in

3063
03:02:43,520 --> 03:02:47,280
Speaker 9: Sudan since two thousand and seven and had been going

3064
03:02:47,320 --> 03:02:52,240
Speaker 9: on a regular basis. In fact, my adopted family from

3065
03:02:52,280 --> 03:02:56,440
Speaker 9: Sudan or from the cartoon or the capital area. And

3066
03:02:56,560 --> 03:03:00,119
Speaker 9: since the war broke out in April of twenty twenty three,

3067
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,560
Speaker 9: one hundred and more than one hundred and twenty members

3068
03:03:03,560 --> 03:03:06,800
Speaker 9: of my adopted family have been displaced. Now they're all

3069
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:12,959
Speaker 9: over the place. I'm in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Germany, the UAE.

3070
03:03:13,440 --> 03:03:18,039
Speaker 9: And so what's happening in Sudan is that in twenty nineteen,

3071
03:03:18,360 --> 03:03:21,360
Speaker 9: actually starting in December of eighteen, I was there in

3072
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:27,480
Speaker 9: January twenty nineteen, the people, the regular everyday people, they

3073
03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:31,879
Speaker 9: rose up against the Omar Bashir government and they finally

3074
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:35,120
Speaker 9: overthrew Bashir in April of twenty nineteen. It was a

3075
03:03:35,160 --> 03:03:40,360
Speaker 9: people's uprising, but the military took over that and said

3076
03:03:40,360 --> 03:03:42,680
Speaker 9: they would just be a transitional government and they would

3077
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:46,240
Speaker 9: transition from military to civilian rule. But they never did that.

3078
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:50,320
Speaker 9: So in the midst of that chaos, the Rapid Support Forces,

3079
03:03:50,360 --> 03:03:54,400
Speaker 9: this was a group from the west that the former

3080
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:57,680
Speaker 9: dictator Bashir, who had ruled for thirty years, that he

3081
03:03:58,360 --> 03:04:02,560
Speaker 9: rose up. The Rapid Support Forces are steff in order

3082
03:04:02,640 --> 03:04:06,760
Speaker 9: to protect him. However, that's the wrong term. They're not

3083
03:04:06,840 --> 03:04:12,560
Speaker 9: really rapid support forces. They're gingweat uh in Sudan the people.

3084
03:04:12,600 --> 03:04:16,680
Speaker 9: The Sudanese call them Ginguweat. They're from the west. Ginguweat

3085
03:04:16,760 --> 03:04:20,800
Speaker 9: in Arabic means devil on horseback. So these these are

3086
03:04:20,879 --> 03:04:25,000
Speaker 9: devils literally demons that their whole goal is to kill

3087
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:28,840
Speaker 9: Africans and take their land and then lie to say

3088
03:04:28,840 --> 03:04:32,720
Speaker 9: that they were the original landowners all along. So these

3089
03:04:32,959 --> 03:04:36,760
Speaker 9: criminals are looking to rewrite history and the Gingweat devil's

3090
03:04:36,800 --> 03:04:40,400
Speaker 9: on horseback so called rapid support forces. Nobody supports them

3091
03:04:40,560 --> 03:04:47,680
Speaker 9: at all. And these are Arabs. These are legitimately Arabs

3092
03:04:47,720 --> 03:04:52,840
Speaker 9: who are from western uh Sudan and eastern Chad and

3093
03:04:52,959 --> 03:04:56,720
Speaker 9: some of them are Arabs and African mixed and confuse

3094
03:04:56,800 --> 03:05:00,920
Speaker 9: Africans who think that they're Gingerweat and their whole goal

3095
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:05,040
Speaker 9: is a fighter gets to Sudanese military and to take

3096
03:05:05,080 --> 03:05:11,359
Speaker 9: over the country. These are ignorant killers. I did. I attended

3097
03:05:11,360 --> 03:05:14,800
Speaker 9: the presentation a few months ago, and it was about Sudan.

3098
03:05:15,240 --> 03:05:16,920
Speaker 9: And that's what they were trying to do here in

3099
03:05:16,920 --> 03:05:21,520
Speaker 9: Oakland is to raise the profile of what's happening in Sudan.

3100
03:05:21,560 --> 03:05:23,800
Speaker 9: We talk about Gaza when we should, However, it is

3101
03:05:23,959 --> 03:05:28,520
Speaker 9: there's great genocide happening in Sudan and these criminals, their

3102
03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:30,920
Speaker 9: whole goal is not only just displaced the people, but

3103
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:35,680
Speaker 9: destroy the ancient Kushite artifacts and monuments. I mean, I

3104
03:05:35,800 --> 03:05:38,560
Speaker 9: shudder to find out when it's all said and done,

3105
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:41,959
Speaker 9: what has been done to the Sudanese National Museum. We

3106
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:44,280
Speaker 9: don't know, we will find out. But the people have

3107
03:05:44,360 --> 03:05:46,840
Speaker 9: been killed in displaced to a very large degree. Some

3108
03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:49,520
Speaker 9: are trying to come back, but the problem is they're

3109
03:05:49,560 --> 03:05:52,680
Speaker 9: still fighting, and not only that, but come back to

3110
03:05:52,720 --> 03:05:57,120
Speaker 9: what The infrastructure has been destroyed by the fighting, and

3111
03:05:57,200 --> 03:06:01,279
Speaker 9: so people are not talking about it. Because even before

3112
03:06:01,959 --> 03:06:06,440
Speaker 9: the World War broke out in twenty twenty three, before

3113
03:06:06,520 --> 03:06:11,480
Speaker 9: that broke out, one of my Nubian colleagues was telling

3114
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:14,880
Speaker 9: me that when they spoke out at a rally in

3115
03:06:16,120 --> 03:06:21,879
Speaker 9: New York, there were some people from Soudan threatening, threatening her,

3116
03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:25,640
Speaker 9: threatening her family, threatening her children to be quiet and

3117
03:06:25,640 --> 03:06:29,920
Speaker 9: don't say anything, don't say another word. So she decided

3118
03:06:29,959 --> 03:06:32,480
Speaker 9: it probably wasn't worth it because you know, she wanted

3119
03:06:32,520 --> 03:06:35,520
Speaker 9: to protect her children. So there are people that may

3120
03:06:35,560 --> 03:06:38,920
Speaker 9: not be speaking out because of that and other reasons

3121
03:06:38,920 --> 03:06:41,400
Speaker 9: why people are not speaking out about what's happening in Sudan,

3122
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:46,000
Speaker 9: where there's great Cenatou genocide taking place. Is people are

3123
03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:50,520
Speaker 9: not organized. They're not organized to amplify their voice, and

3124
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:56,480
Speaker 9: that's another problem. They're not as organized as the Palestinians

3125
03:06:56,480 --> 03:06:59,720
Speaker 9: in Ghana and Gaza, for example. So those are some

3126
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:02,480
Speaker 9: things happening. Is one of the great tragedies that should

3127
03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:04,840
Speaker 9: be in the forefront of what we are talking and

3128
03:07:04,879 --> 03:07:08,520
Speaker 9: writing about as we deal with big issues and problems

3129
03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:11,560
Speaker 9: in the world. And nobody should ever be mentioning genocide

3130
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:15,560
Speaker 9: without talking about what's happening in an ongoing manner in Sudan.

3131
03:07:16,000 --> 03:07:20,279
Speaker 9: And it is the vicious Gingueat, these devils on horseback

3132
03:07:20,400 --> 03:07:23,400
Speaker 9: that are bent on killing all of the mass elite

3133
03:07:23,440 --> 03:07:26,600
Speaker 9: and other Africans, and they say that that's their goal.

3134
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:28,840
Speaker 9: They killed them, They killed all of the men. They

3135
03:07:28,879 --> 03:07:31,800
Speaker 9: may leave a few teenage guys around, but they kill

3136
03:07:31,840 --> 03:07:35,320
Speaker 9: the men and kill some women, but keep women around

3137
03:07:35,360 --> 03:07:37,440
Speaker 9: in order to sexually abuse them and so that the

3138
03:07:37,520 --> 03:07:41,520
Speaker 9: next generation would be Gingerweat offspring. And that is the

3139
03:07:41,600 --> 03:07:44,160
Speaker 9: goal of these criminals. And oh, I'm thought, and one

3140
03:07:44,200 --> 03:07:47,440
Speaker 9: other quick thing, the United Arab image. You're absolutely right,

3141
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:53,560
Speaker 9: they are sending weapons. They send weapons, these criminals, they

3142
03:07:53,720 --> 03:07:58,720
Speaker 9: send weapons to the Gingwee in order to get gold,

3143
03:07:59,040 --> 03:08:02,840
Speaker 9: to extract gold, oh, to extract resources from Sudan. So

3144
03:08:03,040 --> 03:08:08,400
Speaker 9: these vicious UAE criminals are definitely involved with funding these

3145
03:08:08,520 --> 03:08:11,480
Speaker 9: genocidal lists to kill Africans. And all of these young

3146
03:08:11,560 --> 03:08:15,760
Speaker 9: folks who are foolishly going to Dubai, the big city

3147
03:08:15,840 --> 03:08:18,520
Speaker 9: there in the UAE, so that they can flex and

3148
03:08:18,640 --> 03:08:20,560
Speaker 9: act like they got a lot of money in cloud.

3149
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:26,360
Speaker 9: They're part of the problem by disconnecting their phony affluent

3150
03:08:26,520 --> 03:08:30,280
Speaker 9: lifestyle with going and giving resources to criminals that are

3151
03:08:30,320 --> 03:08:33,720
Speaker 9: working every day to undermine the sedan in Africa. So

3152
03:08:33,840 --> 03:08:34,560
Speaker 9: that's what's happening.

3153
03:08:35,280 --> 03:08:38,680
Speaker 1: Wow wow wow, thank you for sharing that and thank you.

3154
03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:41,880
Speaker 1: See if we'll bring that up because this situation Soudan

3155
03:08:42,040 --> 03:08:45,000
Speaker 1: gets no coverage. You know, people talk about Godshi you're right,

3156
03:08:45,040 --> 03:08:47,720
Speaker 1: but it gets no coverage. But listen speaking about coverage,

3157
03:08:47,720 --> 03:08:50,040
Speaker 1: reach just flat out of time, professor a MPM. How

3158
03:08:50,080 --> 03:08:52,440
Speaker 1: can folks reaching them one more information on what you're doing?

3159
03:08:53,480 --> 03:08:55,960
Speaker 9: Yes, I appreciate it. Folks can reach me directly at

3160
03:08:56,040 --> 03:08:59,680
Speaker 9: MEINU ANDMPM a email that they may in you a

3161
03:09:00,200 --> 03:09:04,000
Speaker 9: MPIM so it can email me directly about the documentary

3162
03:09:04,080 --> 03:09:07,000
Speaker 9: Cushite groups in Gambella or just be on the email

3163
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:09,280
Speaker 9: list to find that what's happening. Also, some of what

3164
03:09:09,360 --> 03:09:11,600
Speaker 9: I've covered today is in my book, A History of

3165
03:09:11,640 --> 03:09:15,360
Speaker 9: African Civilization, So you can email me directly. You can

3166
03:09:15,400 --> 03:09:17,240
Speaker 9: also call, but you can email.

3167
03:09:18,160 --> 03:09:19,960
Speaker 1: All right, we got to run out of here. We

3168
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:22,760
Speaker 1: flat out of time. Thank you, professor. I'm PIM family

3169
03:09:22,959 --> 03:09:26,000
Speaker 1: classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll

3170
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:28,359
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore

3171
03:09:28,440 --> 03:09:31,640
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB in the DMV on FM ninety

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Speaker 1: five point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL