Speaker 1: Way are back. It is Colts Corn with myself, Kevin
Speaker 1: Bow and Eddie Garrison is with me. It is a
Speaker 1: late Thursday night, very late for Eddie, so appreciate him
Speaker 1: joining us here on this Friday morning. We are going
Speaker 1: to recap Colts and Ravens preseason opener. What was the
Speaker 1: final score? Twenty four to sixteen? Was it that?
Speaker 2: I think so? By the way, I love that the.
Speaker 1: NFL now it just ends preseason games and ties. That
Speaker 1: is awesome to see. The Colts avoided that, but it's
Speaker 1: one of the games last night and in a tie.
Speaker 1: A ton to get to on today's pod. Obviously a
Speaker 1: lot from last night and really unfortunate rookie injury news,
Speaker 1: so we'll hit on that as well. Eddie, good morning
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Good morning, and I appreciate you being appreciative of me.
Speaker 2: But I think we're equaling the same boat here, just
Speaker 2: because you know, you host a morning show at seven am,
Speaker 2: and that game did not really end early into the
Speaker 2: night last night for you either, so we're probably, you know,
Speaker 2: operating on the same amount of sleep.
Speaker 1: Never been a big fan of the primetimers, but no
Speaker 1: one wants to care about that. They would like to
Speaker 1: hopefully hear a little bit of analyzing I guess from
Speaker 1: last night. So let's get into it. We'll start with
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and then, you know, try to get into
Speaker 1: our regular season mode of hey, what did I like?
Speaker 1: What did I not like? But let's start with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and obviously begin with Anthony Richardson. I guess there is
Speaker 1: part of me that, you know, feels the need to
Speaker 1: look at the three passes that he did throw. He
Speaker 1: was two of three last night, Eddie, and you know
Speaker 1: the one called back due to the illegal man downfield
Speaker 1: the screen to WARRENIM it seemed like, and I think
Speaker 1: the injury play also plays into this, it seemed like
Speaker 1: there was a very concerted effort to kind of lock
Speaker 1: onto Ady Mitchell. H You know, he had the one
Speaker 1: comeback with that pocket kind of collapsing as the first completion,
Speaker 1: and then if you watch the near interception the third
Speaker 1: and seven. I liked on second thirteen him just finding
Speaker 1: more again, that's kind of simple. Get to third and seven,
Speaker 1: get to manageable. Now you're back into managable field goal range.
Speaker 1: You have a chance to convert and seven. I didn't
Speaker 1: love that he locks in on Mitchell not open. And
Speaker 1: if you throw laid across the middle on a third
Speaker 1: and long, oh boy, you're just you're asking for disaster.
Speaker 1: And it nearly was. He nearly gets picked off there
Speaker 1: over the middle of field, trying to find duel in
Speaker 1: there over the middle. And yes, again the pocket is
Speaker 1: not necessarily ideal. But you know that's one where maybe
Speaker 1: in the preseason he's like, no, I'll test it here,
Speaker 1: but in the regular season, I'll eat it. That's probably
Speaker 1: giving him too much credit, but that's when you got
Speaker 1: to eat you know, third and seven, throw it at
Speaker 1: the feet of dueling. Don't even give your chance for
Speaker 1: a turn over there, and again a sack would have
Speaker 1: been obviously knocking you out of field goal range in
Speaker 1: all likelihood there. So I guess that is the extreme
Speaker 1: overreaction to three snaps of him. But obviously let's go
Speaker 1: to the play that he gets injured on. The injury itself,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, doesn't sound to be too severe.
Speaker 2: Jordy Schultz said around nine o'clock this morning that he'll
Speaker 2: be back on the practice field soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so against Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Yeah, the cultural practice
Speaker 1: and that hit itself, like you know, we have this
Speaker 1: label with Anthony Richardson, and it's unfortunate. Is the injury prone?
Speaker 1: Nothing last night Eddie changed my thought on that, Like
Speaker 1: that sort of hit a you know, you're not bracing
Speaker 1: yourself for a two hundred and fifty pounds individual revving
Speaker 1: up and hitting you where he did. I'd venture to
Speaker 1: guess most NFL players would dislocate a finger. Most quarterbacks
Speaker 1: would dislocate a finger in that situation. Obviously, him having
Speaker 1: to leave due to any injury is not good for
Speaker 1: his own rep needed self. He needs all the reps,
Speaker 1: especially on a night when it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: his night. He was supposed to get the bulk of
Speaker 1: the work there. So I think you kind of start
Speaker 1: there of like again, injury prone. Like I still feel
Speaker 1: the same sort of injury questions about Anthony Richardson going
Speaker 1: into last night as I did exiting last night. I
Speaker 1: don't think that one changes much for me. The issue
Speaker 1: for me is how the injury happened, and it was
Speaker 1: a misidentification by your third year quarterback. That is the
Speaker 1: clear most obvious issue to me. And you know Anthony
Speaker 1: obviously admitted it after the game, and you know, by
Speaker 1: all accounts that identification pre snap is rather elementary for
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback, and for you to miss that in
Speaker 1: an August seventh preseason game setting, what two first team
Speaker 1: starters out there for the Ravens defense, by no means,
Speaker 1: is you know, Zach Orr and Chuck Pagano trying to
Speaker 1: be super exotic with you. You're as vanilla as you
Speaker 1: can come in a preseason setting. And for you not
Speaker 1: to see that, And yet, Eddie, when you look around
Speaker 1: him offensively last night, on that play in particular, the
Speaker 1: rookie right tackle sees it, the rookie tight end season,
Speaker 1: the rookie run seize it. And for you to be
Speaker 1: the one not on the same page. And even post snap, Eddie,
Speaker 1: there were a couple tells right away. You know, pre
Speaker 1: snap you can identify it, but post snap, you know,
Speaker 1: once you see that end dropping, And again, how much
Speaker 1: of this is like locking it on? Ad eighty was
Speaker 1: on that left side of the field. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get a little bit more into why behind
Speaker 1: that play. For him not to see it, that would
Speaker 1: have me calling wee girl hair endy if I'm chang stiking,
Speaker 1: oh boy, like what is going on here? Can you
Speaker 1: trust him? Can you trust him? And I think that
Speaker 1: is a very real question. You know, this gets into okay,
Speaker 1: what about game wraps for him? You know, let's say
Speaker 1: he starts week one, Eddie, that'll be a sixteenth career
Speaker 1: NFL start. I mean that's not even a full season. No,
Speaker 1: So then you get into this internal debate. And I
Speaker 1: know this conversation has come up more in the last
Speaker 1: few months because Chris Bowers brought it up. Hey, we
Speaker 1: we rushed him in there as a rookie. Well, like,
Speaker 1: does Anthony Richardson learn that play last night in a
Speaker 1: meeting room or does he have to experience it to
Speaker 1: learn it?
Speaker 2: I mean that's day one install stuff though, right.
Speaker 1: So like, again, theoretically he learned that right in a
Speaker 1: meeting room, but do you have to learn it again
Speaker 1: on the field? And again, this just gets into what
Speaker 1: makes his overall evaluation so complicated and so frustrating because
Speaker 1: it continues to lead to you know, negative areas. I
Speaker 1: guess is probably the best way to put it. So
Speaker 1: summarize it all, Eddie. It doesn't sound like his absence
Speaker 1: will be too too long. You have to flip the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation for me, for Green Bay, if you really
Speaker 1: want to make this competition go.
Speaker 2: On, because it essentially flipped yet last night.
Speaker 1: It's got to be Richardson for a quarter and a
Speaker 1: half a week from Saturday against Green Bay. Then maybe
Speaker 1: you make a decision after that and dress rehearsal it
Speaker 1: up agains Cincinnati. I don't know, Maybe you continue it
Speaker 1: for one more week. Training camp's over, you know after
Speaker 1: this coming week, Thursday's joint practice is.
Speaker 2: The end of it. So but.
Speaker 1: The injury itself, the injury prone narrative, none of that
Speaker 1: matters too too much to me. Yes, the fact that
Speaker 1: you had to leave the game matters. It's more of
Speaker 1: a you're gonna watch thirty one other NFL teams salivate
Speaker 1: over watching that play, and now they're gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and say, how else can we confuse him? How else
Speaker 1: can we make things be difficult for him? Because that
Speaker 1: should be a very anticipatory play where you realize it
Speaker 1: and you find DJ Giddens for three or four yards
Speaker 1: and you move on. But instead he gets hurt and
Speaker 1: honestly he's fortunate to hold on the ball. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that very easily could have been a turnover in
Speaker 1: your own territory.
Speaker 2: Well, he did lose it, yeah, and he got it back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that could be catastrophic in a road environment
Speaker 1: against a quality opponent, et cetera, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 1: pretty much everything I've got on Richardson Eddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you think about Daniel Jones?
Speaker 1: I thought he's I thought he's better than the stat
Speaker 1: line looks like he was ten of twenty one Gouls
Speaker 1: had two drops, Giddens had one probably, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The fifty to fifty balls with Mitchell, I thought he
Speaker 1: didn't get a very favorable flag on.
Speaker 2: I thought one of them was severely underthrown the deep ball, yeah,
Speaker 2: where he had like two steps behind the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know some of those. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Cooper rushed those the front shoulder and throw the
Speaker 1: instead of the back shoulder, and like if you really
Speaker 1: back shoulder it, you can win there.
Speaker 2: And get a PI. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not saying that, you just you know, you're not.
Speaker 1: Is that a pure go route right or do you
Speaker 1: read that back shoulder? I thought Jones was fine if
Speaker 1: I had to compare him to what I've seen so
Speaker 1: far in Grand Park. I do think last night, he
Speaker 1: was probably a little bit better than he has been. Again,
Speaker 1: ten to twenty one with four drops. Ten to seventeen
Speaker 1: isn't a great night by any means. But I did
Speaker 1: think at his best he gave I would say probably three, four,
Speaker 1: maybe even five opportunities for notable yards after catch instride,
Speaker 1: you make a play, you turned you know eight into thirteen,
Speaker 1: you know nine into you know seventeen, things like that
Speaker 1: to a variety of guys. That's a really key part
Speaker 1: obviously to playing quarterback, particularly this offense. I thought his
Speaker 1: best play the night was probably that second and seven
Speaker 1: where he rolled to his left. He's definitely under pressure.
Speaker 1: It doesn't end in a sack, it doesn't end in
Speaker 1: a throwaway, and he finds dueling for twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: something like that. Dolan, you know, did a lot with
Speaker 1: it after the catch, but I thought that was what
Speaker 1: Jones can do with his legs. So, you know, when
Speaker 1: you talk about the Colts quarterback situation, Eddie, the bar
Speaker 1: is so pathetically low. It's arguably different than every NFL team.
Speaker 1: So like when I sit here and say, well, I
Speaker 1: mean I think Daniel Jones was okay, I mean it,
Speaker 1: But then like, if I I watched whatever Jordan Love
Speaker 1: quarterback of Camp for ten straight days, and then you
Speaker 1: told me to weigh him up against that, I'd probably
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a little different.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like yesterday, I'm playing in this golf at and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, Kevin, how but if you be the
Speaker 1: long drive guy, I'm like, Okay, guys, I don't really
Speaker 1: hit a long drive. I can get the ball airborne,
Speaker 1: So like people like look at that and they're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty good. But then like if you get
Speaker 1: some other people on the tee that can really hit it,
Speaker 1: They're like, wait, you're the long drive guy. You like
Speaker 1: have Greg Maddox's fastball. I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1: It's just like Daniel Jones playing quarterback. It's like, well
Speaker 1: do you save? But like in the grand scheme of
Speaker 1: thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL, he's not that good.
Speaker 2: Do you have the precision like a Greg Maddox? Kevin,
Speaker 2: are you hitting the fairways every time?
Speaker 1: That I wish? I wish I was Fred Funk honestly
Speaker 1: driving it, But whatever, that's neither hitting r there. Again,
Speaker 1: I thought he had some nice on target in stride
Speaker 1: moments another there about four or five of them, and
Speaker 1: you know him and Richardson both they did not receive
Speaker 1: very firm pocket perimeters. No, you know, Ross Travis and
Speaker 1: Blake Freeland in there for two and a half quarters.
Speaker 1: I did think there was some leakage there coming off
Speaker 1: the edge. So all in all, I to summarize the
Speaker 1: quarterback night, how do you not look at it as
Speaker 1: a win for Daniel Jones? As sad as that sounds,
Speaker 1: I mean, the injury and all of that plays into it.
Speaker 1: The misidentification plays into that. Now, if I had to
Speaker 1: evaluate purely Jones himself, I think the night was about
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far, maybe slightly better. And you know,
Speaker 1: when Shane Stegin says is going to come down in consistency,
Speaker 1: I think there also is a way to look at that,
Speaker 1: Eddie and say, it's going to come down to who
Speaker 1: do you trust? And when that question is asked, it
Speaker 1: is if you want to live in that bubble. Now again,
Speaker 1: I want to live in a bubble of just getting
Speaker 1: answer on Richardson. H Like that's it. He answer on
Speaker 1: Richardson and you know what he happens to be the
Speaker 1: higher ceiling quarterback, So play him. That's my thought process.
Speaker 1: But the Colts probably live in a different thought process.
Speaker 1: They're living in a very week to week world when
Speaker 1: now et cetera, et cetera, all of that, and if
Speaker 1: they do live in that world, I mean, last night
Speaker 1: was a good night for Danion Jones. How does that sounds?
Speaker 2: Just to summarize and wrap up here the QB thoughts
Speaker 2: just mentioned Riley Leonard. I know there's people out there that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Riley definitely made plays with his legs.
Speaker 2: He can do that.
Speaker 1: Now, again, he did that against probably people he saw
Speaker 1: more often than not in college. Can you do it
Speaker 1: against you know, first team defense guys and maybe when
Speaker 1: there's more of a scheme against you. How it made
Speaker 1: to be seen? I thought he had a couple of
Speaker 1: nice throws, but you know, I thought he definitely had
Speaker 1: some inaccurate moments as well. You know, I'll continue to
Speaker 1: stand by nice, developmental sixth round quarterback. He has massive
Speaker 1: strides to take within the pocket. Like I've said that
Speaker 1: like a million times about Colts quarterbacks lately. If Richardson
Speaker 1: was out for some reason, I would go sign somebody else.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would want to be one
Speaker 1: play away from life with Riley Leonard right in the
Speaker 1: nice reasert ear form and see what you got.
Speaker 2: For those of you that may be newer to the podcast,
Speaker 2: my guess is during the preseason, keV will do it
Speaker 2: continue doing it this way, like, Hey, we'll break down
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, then get into what you liked, what you
Speaker 2: didn't like. I like. Of course, during the regular season
Speaker 2: it'll just be well intro brief thoughts about the game,
Speaker 2: get into what you liked or didn't like, depending on
Speaker 2: how the outcome of the game went. So let's pivot
Speaker 2: now to what you did like, even though the Coltsleus
Speaker 2: were going to start there just because there were some
Speaker 2: positive to takeaway from this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start with Tyler Warren. Three catches and three targets,
Speaker 1: four if you want to include the penalty. I thought
Speaker 1: four very different routes too, And honestly, the routes that
Speaker 1: he ran last night or the plays that he made,
Speaker 1: I can think of like three or four other ways
Speaker 1: they involved him at Grand Park that we didn't see
Speaker 1: last night. I mean, they are going to get him
Speaker 1: the ball, They're going to use him all over the field,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be a high targeted, touched individual
Speaker 1: by the Colts offense.
Speaker 2: He played all twenty snaps in the first three series.
Speaker 1: Diddy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, gosh, it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: out there. It was a him and ogle Tree. Was
Speaker 1: that the starting tight end? I think ogle Tree kind
Speaker 1: of blown up a little bit on that first play,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that was the starting tied in
Speaker 1: dual last night. So yeah, very good night for Warren.
Speaker 1: I think you like what you saw. I thought JT.
Speaker 1: Twoymollawau had a good first debut. They his body type
Speaker 1: is not Dio Dangbo, but they seemingly have used him
Speaker 1: a little bit like that versatile inside on the passing downs.
Speaker 1: You know, he was really freed up very well for
Speaker 1: a stunt sack there at one point, but made a
Speaker 1: couple of plays. I think Nate Atkins said bone Bruce
Speaker 1: for him after the game and chatting with him in
Speaker 1: the locker room. So hopefully that's not going to sideline
Speaker 1: him for too long. But I thought the first two
Speaker 1: picks you had to be pleased with, you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to Ashton Doolan. I just what a nice career man.
Speaker 1: Just he's still here, and he's still damn reliable, and
Speaker 1: he had a couple of plays as a receiver last night,
Speaker 1: and obviously he's a key special teamer. I mean, hell
Speaker 1: Is College that he went to, it doesn't even have
Speaker 1: football anymore.
Speaker 2: Hey yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Yet here he is just carving out a really nice
Speaker 1: undrafted career. Good to see Jelani Woods catch a couple
Speaker 1: from Riley Leonard late. I think it's a I think
Speaker 1: it's a notable hill for him to climb to make
Speaker 1: the roster. But good to see Jelani Woods out there
Speaker 1: a little bit late. What else you know? Alex Johnson
Speaker 1: at corner, he had that early pick, great play in
Speaker 1: the air, and then later he knocked away a ball
Speaker 1: and I think it was a third and ten. Right now,
Speaker 1: he's knocking on that door, like who's next at corner?
Speaker 1: And I guess we should probably just get to Justin
Speaker 1: Wally Now. I just flat out sucks, just absolutely sucks.
Speaker 1: Torn a sale in the joint practice. Shane announced it
Speaker 1: last night after the game. I don't know in the
Speaker 1: nine years of Chris Ballard if I've heard the amount
Speaker 1: of public praise by various individuals within that building for him.
Speaker 1: I mean a variety of people have made sure that
Speaker 1: they have praised him, and you know we've seen the
Speaker 1: playmaking too, if I'm not mistaken again, I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but I believe he got hurt or towards acl on
Speaker 1: play that he knocked the ball away in the joint practice.
Speaker 1: I mean that just kind of shows you who he's been.
Speaker 1: So he was your starting third corner, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there was much debate even if Jalen Jones and
Speaker 1: Juju Brins would have stayed healthy. Now that's me projecting
Speaker 1: a little bit, but now what happens at corner. You
Speaker 1: know the position on paper, Eddie, you didn't have like
Speaker 1: when we did the positional mock draft back in whatever April,
Speaker 1: I didn't have corner as a third round need, right
Speaker 1: And if Jalen Jones and jud Brent's were healthy right
Speaker 1: now and have shown a nice arrow, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I would act like the Wally injury is super significant,
Speaker 1: but given their statuses Jones and Brents, it right now
Speaker 1: is pretty significant. And I get that you're a month away,
Speaker 1: you know right now, where a month yesterday was a
Speaker 1: season opener, But you know, you think about Week one
Speaker 1: with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle and some of those
Speaker 1: white houts early in the season and lou Ane Rumo
Speaker 1: wanting to play multiple dbs. You know, again, what is
Speaker 1: this going to look like over time? That I think
Speaker 1: is a huge, huge question that you do have. So again,
Speaker 1: this is a storyline to watch. What does corner death
Speaker 1: look like? Is Alex Johnson pushing? Is Samuel Womack back
Speaker 1: in an important role for you? He's probably had an
Speaker 1: up and down camp. Jonathan Edwards a corner out of
Speaker 1: tu Lane, an undrafted free agent, you know it, could
Speaker 1: he be a UDFA on your roster. Johnson comes over
Speaker 1: from New York as an undrafted kid the year prior
Speaker 1: with Jerome Henderson who's the dB coach now with the Colts.
Speaker 1: So that's something probably worth pointing out as well. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought Johnson had a couple moments there, and honestly,
Speaker 1: the pass defense in general, I mean John Harball was
Speaker 1: laughing about it after the game. He goes, you think
Speaker 1: team's ever won in a preseason game throwing for fifty
Speaker 1: nine yards in a game, So pass defense wise, I
Speaker 1: thought the Colts did a nice job. Joe Botchi obviously
Speaker 1: had the big interception there early as well.
Speaker 2: Man, he just makes place, doesn't.
Speaker 1: He He does? He does, Yeah, particularly honestly in the
Speaker 1: past game.
Speaker 2: Now, bless you man.
Speaker 1: That sneeze felt so good. Gosh, felt good to get
Speaker 1: that out. Now it's the transition. Things I didn't like
Speaker 1: you mentioned linebacker there. I thought the linebacker run fits
Speaker 1: were horrid. Oh my god. The run defense was horrific,
Speaker 1: just gash. I mean how the Ravens won the game
Speaker 1: thanks to what running the ball and special teams. That's
Speaker 1: pretty literally pretty much why they won the game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the run defense, yeah, linebacker wise, oh boy, not ideal
Speaker 1: at all. I thought Hunter Wooler had a moment or
Speaker 1: two and also definitely had some whiffs coming up as
Speaker 1: a safety and playing against the run there, special teams,
Speaker 1: the coverage. Brian Mason is not going to like watching
Speaker 1: that film.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The big punt return, the big kick return, just brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight yards and penalties Eddie, that is
Speaker 1: that would be by far a season high if we
Speaker 1: want to look back on last year. So that is
Speaker 1: something as well, just to keep an eye on You know,
Speaker 1: Colts have usually not been a very penalized team under Stanstichen,
Speaker 1: but he was not happy about that post game and
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been, you know, gool hat a couple
Speaker 1: of drops. I really don't can't recall many, if any,
Speaker 1: he's had in camp. He's been one of the more
Speaker 1: productive white outs in camp, so i'd throw that in there.
Speaker 1: The eighty Mitchell Knight, I don't know, Eddie. It's he
Speaker 1: catches on six targets, two catches on six targets, which
Speaker 1: that ratio is not good. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: as egregious of a night for Mitchell as it looked
Speaker 1: on paper, though, Like if you didn't watch the game
Speaker 1: and you see two on six, you don't like that.
Speaker 1: If you watch the game again. You brought up Jones
Speaker 1: kind of slightly under throwing them. I thought there were
Speaker 1: a couple fifty a couple of plays it could have
Speaker 1: been flagged. It turned into fifty to fifty moments. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see him come down with one of those,
Speaker 1: but again I'm not I don't think it was as
Speaker 1: bad as it was at times last year, and just
Speaker 1: a little bit of a timing with Jones one time there,
Speaker 1: So you know, before the game, I really wanted to
Speaker 1: see Mitchell in like those alligatory arm moments. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see him put into those situations, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he was in a lot of them. So you know,
Speaker 1: he's been terrific Mitchell, but game settings is just a
Speaker 1: different animal for him. So I think that probably covers
Speaker 1: everything on my end. Eddie Again, offensive tackles I Ryman
Speaker 1: and Bradsmith are just going to mean so much for you.
Speaker 1: That does concern me a little bit here. But unless
Speaker 1: you think you have anything else to add, I guess
Speaker 1: should we talk a little Spencer Trader? Yeah, to mention
Speaker 1: it weirdly, I bet he's I bet I've seen him kick.
Speaker 1: I don't know twenty field goals this this camp in season,
Speaker 1: I bet he's made sixteen of them. I'd venture to
Speaker 1: guess all the misses have been maybe all but one
Speaker 1: have been north of fifty, and I swear they all
Speaker 1: have been off the upright now, I know he missed one.
Speaker 1: I think a little bad to end the Baltimore joint
Speaker 1: practice based off a two minute drill that I was
Speaker 1: reading about from people that were there, so that one
Speaker 1: would be different, but like all this misses. I mean
Speaker 1: I literally feel like I'm watching Matt Gay kick. I
Speaker 1: mean like outside of them, like not having anywhere to
Speaker 1: have the same body type.
Speaker 2: Well, look he learned from him. When do you expect Jev?
Speaker 2: But it's like it's been like the same exact.
Speaker 1: I guess Matt Gay had that big hook going last year,
Speaker 1: whereas I guess he'll kind of a slight one last
Speaker 1: night for those that watch to miss kick, but great
Speaker 1: opportunity kick for field goals last night. I think he's
Speaker 1: the leader. I think he'll be your kicker and then
Speaker 1: you just kind of wait and see his season moves along.
Speaker 2: Hit one from fifty three right, Yes, had plenty of
Speaker 2: leg left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean leg is no, I mean no, leg
Speaker 1: is no issue. This is not hot rod where you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: does he have the leg or does he not of
Speaker 1: the leg?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he he can boom it. It's just
Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen when it all gets real.
Speaker 1: And you know the one he missed last night. They
Speaker 1: threw him out there kind of in a two minutes.
Speaker 1: You know, probably the more pressure packed kick and you know,
Speaker 1: snap and hold looked good. But you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of ran them out on the field and all of that,
Speaker 1: so I assume he will be your kicker.
Speaker 2: Before we get into Twitter questions, the remaining camp schedule
Speaker 2: will practice Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then they're off until thirdday, right,
Speaker 2: and that'll be the final training kit practice with the
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers at Grand Park. And that one is
Speaker 2: a three o'clock and I think I know Saturday and
Speaker 2: Sunday or four o'clocks. I can't remember. Monday.
Speaker 1: Monday is as well, So yeah, they're done with the
Speaker 1: morning practices. Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. As you said, Eddie,
Speaker 1: four o'clock each day. I would guess Saturday is a
Speaker 1: little light and then Sunday and Monday would be a
Speaker 1: little bit more ramped up. Tuesday and Wednesday or off,
Speaker 1: so then you recharge the batteries for like you said,
Speaker 1: that green Bay joint, it sounded like on this broadcast
Speaker 1: last night, Kenny Moore kind of hinted at like he's
Speaker 1: going to get out there for the Green Bay game.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was just him talking or
Speaker 1: if that's real, because Shane's always been like, if we
Speaker 1: have jointed practice we're not going to play those guys,
Speaker 1: right and they sat. I think I did the math
Speaker 1: last night and I'll use this quotes Eddie. They had
Speaker 1: three defensive starters a lot too, and Quity pay played
Speaker 1: a series and then cammer Groan right now, is listen
Speaker 1: as a starter? Offensively? If you call Richardson a starter,
Speaker 1: you had four I think Richardson, Tyler, Warren, hannerh Bordolini
Speaker 1: and Mackenzlvos. So you played about six ish starters there.
Speaker 1: You know me, I've always been a believer that you
Speaker 1: play more of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But I'm not holding my breath at all.
Speaker 2: Let's get into Twitter questions because our first one, uh
Speaker 2: pertains towards the offensive line. This is from Claude KB.
Speaker 2: Was Anthony Richardson at fault for that sack or the organization?
Speaker 2: Should he have been out there with the second unit?
Speaker 2: Or is that a blown protection? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, by all accounts, it was blown by Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1: If you watch that play, I think the other tens
Speaker 1: seem to be pretty much on the same page, you know,
Speaker 1: Is any of this Hanner, BORDERLINI, Anthony Richardson not on
Speaker 1: the same page, you know? Yeah, is the center controlling
Speaker 1: that and or is that just something that you just
Speaker 1: id and you don't even communicate it together, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we have to be on the same page. We don't
Speaker 1: need to have a dummy check or whatever. A call
Speaker 1: to the line that gets us on the same page. Again,
Speaker 1: I pointed out, if you look at it, the three
Speaker 1: rookies on that playoff seem to know what they're doing there,
Speaker 1: and you know Richardson doesn't there, so you know, organizationally,
Speaker 1: I guess Claude's kind of hinting at do you play
Speaker 1: your frontline guys? Again, I don't think that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden cures that play.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: Outside of Taylor, I probably wouldn't have too many issues
Speaker 1: playing anybody else offensively. I mean, guys can get rolled
Speaker 1: up on at any moment.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean Rashaun Slater loses the season yesterday in practice, Yep,
Speaker 1: you know it.
Speaker 2: Just see CJ. Gardner Johnson looks like the same. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just never know.
Speaker 1: And Joe Wright, who you heard on the broadcast last night.
Speaker 1: I mean he's always said this, He's like, you got
Speaker 1: a spar as an offensivelignment, Like you have got to
Speaker 1: get into those settings and experience it, so you know,
Speaker 1: we will see. If I don't know, do you what
Speaker 1: do you think they do week three of the preseason.
Speaker 1: Let's say they throw Richardson out there quarter and a
Speaker 1: half green Bay. What do you think they do for
Speaker 1: that Cincinnati game? No joint practice before Cincinnati, you're done
Speaker 1: with training camp. What do you do that Saturday night,
Speaker 1: final preseason game?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I would assume that it would
Speaker 2: hope that you would play the entire starting unit at
Speaker 2: least for a series or two and then let Richardson
Speaker 2: go out there with whatever you want the second unit,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Do you name a starter after the Green Bay game
Speaker 1: a week from Saturday and you dress rehearsal that dude
Speaker 1: in that final preseason game? No, so you carry the
Speaker 1: competition out through the Cincinnati game.
Speaker 2: I would, yeah, just because look what happened last night,
Speaker 2: Like you can name richard and the start of going
Speaker 2: into that Cincinnati game for week one and then he
Speaker 2: gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be very curious see what Shane Second does
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Twitter. Question Number two is from Wakespy. Hypothetically, if Anthony
Speaker 2: Richardson doesn't paint out and Daniel Jones doesn't pan out either.
Speaker 2: Wake Spike says, really big stretch there. What three cults
Speaker 2: do you think the organization would try to trade ahead
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six, assuming they hold richardson no matter
Speaker 2: what for next season.
Speaker 3: Look's got a loaded one.
Speaker 1: With a new GM. Everybody's on the table, right yep,
Speaker 1: I mean the immediate ones that would come to mind. Obviously,
Speaker 1: anytime you get a running back of Taylor's age and
Speaker 1: making that money, Yep, that'd be a contract year for him.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken. A Pittman would also be in
Speaker 1: a contract year. We've talked about the wide out future,
Speaker 1: especially if Mitchell shows you something. I think you largely
Speaker 1: you know those the old line guys. Obviously Braden Smith
Speaker 1: would be a free agent, but Nelson, and I guess
Speaker 1: Nelson might be doing an extension.
Speaker 2: But you know, certainly Ryman isn't Nelson want to be
Speaker 2: in a contract year next year as well? I remember
Speaker 2: him being like an underrated guy could get Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I think you would want I mean you theoretically,
Speaker 1: if you're having a new quarterback, I think you'd kind
Speaker 1: of want a solid offensive line. So I'd say Taylor Pittman,
Speaker 1: and then defensively, really all those guys are kind of
Speaker 1: in the same boat. Buckner up there in age, Grover
Speaker 1: up there in age, I are up there in age,
Speaker 1: Kenny up there in age. Obviously various value. Get Ward,
Speaker 1: yeah he is, he's one as well. So yeah, i'd
Speaker 1: say Taylor, Pittman, and then I don't know, Buckner, probably Nette,
Speaker 1: although he's in his thirties. Ward probably net a good amount.
Speaker 1: But I am I mean, I'm always pretty much a
Speaker 1: believer that I answer the phone on anybody just to
Speaker 1: get intel. But who would be safe, you know again,
Speaker 1: outside of winning, probably a solid offensive line for that
Speaker 1: next quarterback. I could be talked into a lot of things.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm assuming the players that you would deem
Speaker 2: as safe would be Warren Downs and Ryman. Down's probably lesser,
Speaker 2: the lesser of the three, just because I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel like slot receivers ones too, and.
Speaker 1: I think Nelson. I mean, like again, I i'd want
Speaker 1: some continuity behind that or in front of I guess
Speaker 1: I should say that quarterback there, But boy, if you
Speaker 1: I mean, if you gave me the right asking price, yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Neil would like to know KB if Ady Mitchell still
Speaker 2: has an underwhelming season. Is he going to be another
Speaker 2: Paris Campbell, another high draft pick that is a dud?
Speaker 1: No? No, first off, Unfortunately, the Paris Campbell thing has
Speaker 1: been well at least here was largely injured related. I
Speaker 1: saw just got cut by Dallas.
Speaker 2: I think he got hurt. Did he get hurt? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then he got cut.
Speaker 1: He was he Philly recently with Sirianni.
Speaker 2: He was. Yeah, he was a arrest in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: As wild as that sounds, yeah, I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's injuries for Campbell largely compared to whatever with Mitchell,
Speaker 1: and like, can we pump the breaks on this Mitchell thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I've gotten these sorts of
Speaker 1: questions several times. It's like, guy, he's been lead for
Speaker 1: one year. I mean, you're letting Jelanne Woods play out
Speaker 1: of his rookie contract. Mitchell is not going anywhere. And
Speaker 1: you know, again, he's doing the he's arguably doing the
Speaker 1: hardest thing that there is to play receiver, and that's
Speaker 1: get open. And this is kind of, you know, popped
Speaker 1: in my mind. I don't know, Eddie, maybe once we
Speaker 1: get through the preseason, we can kind of dedicate a
Speaker 1: segment of a future podcast before the season starts to this,
Speaker 1: how do the twenty twenty five Colts make the playoffs?
Speaker 1: That general question. When that question is asked, you would
Speaker 1: immediately probably point to two areas, if not both better
Speaker 1: quarterback play and better defensive play. And again the thought
Speaker 1: of quarterback is Daniel Jones' arrival. Richardson makes year three strides.
Speaker 1: The thought defensively is investments in the secondary like you've
Speaker 1: never had. And Lou and Rumo, I'd say third on
Speaker 1: that list is better pass catching. You brought up downs
Speaker 1: in Pierce earlier. They make you sleep just fine at night.
Speaker 1: They were good individual players for you last year. Now
Speaker 1: go to the next part of the pass catching group.
Speaker 1: To me, I look at three areas. One is does
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior not look like me with his back? Okay,
Speaker 1: that could be one healthier Pittman and.
Speaker 2: He's still caught what seventy balls or eight hundred yards exactly?
Speaker 1: Two? Does Ady Mitchell have growth? And then three is,
Speaker 1: of course the man we saw last night number eighty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his pure presence. So those are three different areas Pittman, health,
Speaker 1: Mitchell growth, Warren's arrival. If you get one or two
Speaker 1: of those, you had none of them last year. If
Speaker 1: you get one or two of them of the three,
Speaker 1: that's a better pass catching group.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So again that is another part of Okay, how do
Speaker 1: the Colts become a playoff team?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Some people might be skeptical quarterback wise, fine, some people
Speaker 1: might be skeptical defensively.
Speaker 2: Fine.
Speaker 1: The pass catching thing, I can you know, if you
Speaker 1: are Chris Ballard and you say, Kevin Bowen, sit down
Speaker 1: and let me tell you why we're going to be
Speaker 1: a better team this season, and he laid out the
Speaker 1: pass catchers like that, I think I'd walk away from
Speaker 1: that same. That makes a ton of sense. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see where you're coming from on that. And again,
Speaker 1: my eyes have watched Mitchell. Pittman kind of been quiet,
Speaker 1: but I've watched Mitchell, and I've watched Warren, and I
Speaker 1: see where you're going from.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking with somebody on the sidelines that
Speaker 2: you know that one of those practices I was at,
Speaker 2: and they're just I was like, hey, how's Pittman looked?
Speaker 2: You know, he's he was last years the back he goes,
Speaker 2: I mean he hasn't really done a lot, like he
Speaker 2: hasn't flushed. I was like, yeah, that's also true because
Speaker 2: Pittman's a gamer. He's not gonna be a guy that's
Speaker 2: camp wowser. I mean his flash, Yeah, to your point,
Speaker 2: his flash. He's more of a you out of the
Speaker 2: box sports end of the game and you're like, oh wow.
Speaker 1: Or honestly, he flashesn't make him like a physical plays
Speaker 1: like yeah, did you see that hit he took.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's gonna add it. I forget. So move along
Speaker 2: to Mark's question or questions. I should say, how did
Speaker 2: Juju Brins look prior to his hamstring injury? Kevin, what
Speaker 2: is your level of confidence with the secondary? Seems like
Speaker 2: the Colts have their top three corners and justin Wally,
Speaker 2: Chevarius Word and Kinney Moo right now unfortunately for while
Speaker 2: he is out for the season. Uh to have Juju Brince,
Speaker 2: Samuel Wilmack and Jalen Jones whenever Jones returns his quality
Speaker 2: depth In Mark's opinion, curious to hear your thoughts. Love
Speaker 2: the pod and I'm happy we're back. We're almost here.
Speaker 1: Indeed, Mark, less than a month away. How about we
Speaker 1: get three top ten matchups in college football on opening weekend.
Speaker 1: I thought I heard that was the first time ever
Speaker 1: one versus two. Of course stateon Texas you'll get LSU Clemson,
Speaker 1: and then you'll get the old fighting Irish against Miami.
Speaker 1: There the top five team, a top ten, top ten,
Speaker 1: top ten. Pretty sure, double check me on that if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Boy, I've always liked Jalen Jones man, and
Speaker 1: I thought Jalen Jones was having a nice little camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put all these little sticker things.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's gonna get mad that you're peeling it off.
Speaker 1: I thought he was making some plays. Now again, he's
Speaker 1: a little different corner than Wally. Him and Juju are
Speaker 1: different than Wally mm hm. So you know, Juju maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of plays there, But I think the Bummers
Speaker 1: just on paper, you have created real debt. Now, Like
Speaker 1: let's say Jones and Brent show up for you and
Speaker 1: they're healthy. Boy, Samuel Womack, you know the lottery numbers
Speaker 1: on for me. If if Juju Brents is staying.
Speaker 2: Healthy, Samuel Woman is your fifth corner. That's an improvement
Speaker 2: from last year. And you got Chris Lamon still right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They re signed Lamon. Are they about Lamon's back? Last week?
Speaker 1: We got a couple of those guys that came over
Speaker 1: from Jerome Henderson with the Giants as well, Trey Herndon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they I mean they barely Duke Shelley. I think
Speaker 1: they barely played last year. And we mentioned Alex Johnson earlier,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Edwards earlier. So you know, corner again, do you
Speaker 1: do the same thing you did last year? Is it
Speaker 1: a cut down position? Remember Walmack was there one waiver
Speaker 1: claim last year, So is that something that you dabble
Speaker 1: in again? But yeah, I will be very curious to
Speaker 1: see when do Jones and Brents get back because that's needed.
Speaker 1: And you know Ward has been kind of off and
Speaker 1: on in terms of his availability here. You know, is
Speaker 1: that just kind of management this time of year? And
Speaker 1: well you really need him and Kenny to play. If
Speaker 1: we've redid indispensable colts. What did I have was my list?
Speaker 1: Ryman Zaire? Did I have a corner that hot? Maybe
Speaker 1: I did have Ward that high. Yeah, you can make
Speaker 1: an argument to put Ward and Kenny both in your
Speaker 1: top five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a little different than you
Speaker 2: I have I remember having a law too. I had Bernard,
Speaker 2: I had Nelson. I can't remember if I put Braydon
Speaker 2: on there or not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Final questions from Josh. We often talk about
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson having a high ceiling but a low floor.
Speaker 2: I'm curious what you actually think his ceiling looks like
Speaker 2: after a couple of years. Obviously, all the physical tools
Speaker 2: are there and health is a concern, but I think
Speaker 2: I'm most curious about your opinion on the mental and
Speaker 2: intangible side of Anthony Richardson. Is there any precedent for
Speaker 2: a quarterback developing that to a championship level later on
Speaker 2: after a couple of years in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think in regards to like growth
Speaker 1: from maturity standpoint, Yeah, I mean, I I there probably
Speaker 1: is a little bit of precedent. They are. The problem
Speaker 1: with Richardson, Josh, is that's like one layer. There's seven
Speaker 1: layers to him. There's Monday through Saturday, there's accuracy, there's turnovers.
Speaker 1: There is how much are you running it? How much
Speaker 1: are you not running it? Obviously can you stay healthy?
Speaker 1: It's like there's just so much to the parlay that
Speaker 1: has to be hit. Now having said that, like in general,
Speaker 1: with him playing football, you're not asking him to be
Speaker 1: Drew Brees accurate or Philip Rivers accurate. If he could
Speaker 1: get to fifty eight percent in my opinion, at the
Speaker 1: level of if fifty eight percent is met with a
Speaker 1: respectable turnover number, you can win with that. Yep, you
Speaker 1: can win with that, And right now, that's probably the
Speaker 1: highest I can go with his.
Speaker 2: I think Chapel had him at fifty eight percent in
Speaker 2: eleven on eleven team periods, right.
Speaker 1: Which, again, in camp you need to be much higher
Speaker 1: than that, like you need to be to me, you know,
Speaker 1: you almost knock off ten percent from camp to a game,
Speaker 1: because last year I think he was north of sixty
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken in camp there. So that is
Speaker 1: kind of how I would baseline it. The problem with
Speaker 1: defining his ceiling or like people that are like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's got such a high ceiling and all that, we
Speaker 1: sit here right now and we've yet to see him
Speaker 1: play truly good to great football.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Ever ever collegiately, you know, again Chris Ballard makes the
Speaker 1: comparisons to Baker Mayfield and Sam I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Baker Mayfield on the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Sam Donald threw for four thousand yards at one of
Speaker 1: the best schools in college football. Yep, No, we can't
Speaker 1: go there.
Speaker 2: And so Jared Goff went to a Super Bowl or
Speaker 2: he got traded to Detroit, right, So.
Speaker 1: That's what I think makes it challenging. Of yes, there
Speaker 1: are these just tantalizing elements to him, but it's largely
Speaker 1: still yet to be ever seen collegiately, especially which I
Speaker 1: think again kind of adds to all of it there.
Speaker 1: But again, Josh, even if you don't want to say whatever,
Speaker 1: that's an all pro level. If you can just live
Speaker 1: in a what if he got to fifty eight percent,
Speaker 1: which is not that ludicrous of an ask, No, if
Speaker 1: he got there, and again, the turnovers were not as
Speaker 1: problematic as they were last year. The Colts very well
Speaker 1: could be a playoff team very well. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of how.
Speaker 2: You let me ask you this In conclusion here with
Speaker 2: the way that Chris Ballard was aggressive in helping out
Speaker 2: Louis and a room on the secondary with the selection
Speaker 2: of Tyler Warren, and you mentioned the players that are
Speaker 2: in doring a contract year next year if things don't
Speaker 2: paint out with Daniel Jones or Anythingy Richardson this year,
Speaker 2: are we going to see another situation where the next
Speaker 2: general manager sees what we are currently discussing. They have
Speaker 2: these guys that can make place, They have the foundation
Speaker 2: to be a good team. We just need a you know,
Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback in there. And we're back to the
Speaker 2: endless cycle that was of band aid after a band
Speaker 2: aid after band aid. Stop it.
Speaker 1: Now, that's a sick thing to end on that. You
Speaker 1: just drop that on me. No, no, I no, And
Speaker 1: this gets you know, I debated a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you and I did, Eddie, but like
Speaker 1: you know, people right now are bringing up Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: and Terry McLaurin. You know, those are the two big
Speaker 1: names that people bringing up right now, and hey, insert
Speaker 1: team here or should they enter that mix?
Speaker 2: I thought we talked about it last week. Did a
Speaker 2: Twitter question about it? Yeah, okay, Well just to reiterate it, the.
Speaker 1: Colts are frozen.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't do that stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't entertain that stuff without it. So whatever, Drew
Speaker 1: Aller and Arch and Mendoza and the Carolina Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not like Leonora Sellers whoever, you want to dream about
Speaker 1: Club Nick, you gotta be frozen. You just can't do it.
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate. It's a bummer, but that's the reality
Speaker 1: that you are currently in right now. But no, no,
Speaker 1: you no band aid it not stop that. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying you imagine Jacoby Brissett quarterback in this team. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm talking like Carson Wentz out of retirement. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: Car's done. My brother sawm at Kroger the other day.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just remember, by the way, what
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention earlier that I forgot. You said, uh,
Speaker 2: avenue for the Colts to make the playoffs. You mentioned
Speaker 2: a better quarterback play, better defensive play, and then an
Speaker 2: underrated one was better pass catching a number four. They're
Speaker 2: in the a S South.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the gift that keeps giving, baby, you know
Speaker 1: what I say, God bless the AFC South.
Speaker 2: And as we wrap up KB, I know people are
Speaker 2: going to start wondering when we're doing the Fantasy Football
Speaker 2: League and the pick'm that stuff coming out soon. We're
Speaker 2: kind of finalizing the details on how we want to
Speaker 2: give away the spots to the Fantasy Football still open.
Speaker 1: Suggestions from people. We have debated a few Eddie's come
Speaker 1: up with what I think is a pretty good idea,
Speaker 1: but we're still open, so yeah, we'll probably provide that
Speaker 1: info for you on an upcoming pod or two. So yeah,
Speaker 1: slide into either of our dms for that if you
Speaker 1: have any thoughts. He is Eddie Garrison. I am Kevin Bowen.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Colts Corner with Kevin Bowen.
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