1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: So the question is was there a coup in China? 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: And I know what you're saying, Tony, what are you 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: what are you referring to? Well, I discussed how you 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: had Jijenping the president dictator thug of China. We're leaving 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: to a military general and somebody else within the military right, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: And then it was oh, because they violated this rule 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: or that rule. It's the communists. It's all about paranoia 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: and if any of g thinks anybody's getting too close 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: to him or people are liking them more, getting too 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: close to power, changes get made. It happens all the time. 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony kats today. Good to be here, Good 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to be with you. And then there was some reporting 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: that maybe this this general got involved with a couple 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: other people in the Poula Buro and some soldiers and 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: actually tried to engage a coup, an overthrowing of Jijiping. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Just because you say there was a coup doesn't mean 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: there was one. These are communists, They lie all the time. 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: Major Mike Lyons joins me right now, retired United States 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Army West Point Graduate military analyst. I think that anytime 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you see China make moves you have to ask what 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: the move is for. And I take a look at 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: what the plans are regarding Taiwan. You see how we're 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: engaged with Venezuela. You see how we've moved the USS 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln out of the South China Sea into the 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: med to deal with the Iranians. And they could think 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: that it's a good time to take Taiwan. So when 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: I see something like this about someone being changed over 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: or someone being taken out, it could be for a 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: myriad of reasons. But now we're hearing about this idea 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: of a potential coup. What can you tell us about 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: what happened and why it happened? 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: Well, Tony, this is one of the most significant events 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: that's happened to China in really the last few decades 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: and since really Using Pin came to power, and by 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: consolidating his military the way he's doing it right now, 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: he's puting a tighter grip on what's going on. We 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: really don't know. Unlike other countries that are open and 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: with regard to what's happening there, you know, we just 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: kind of expected China to be this, you know, undercurrent 40 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: and not really do anything. But this is a very 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: very significant move. Now it's not a coup because it 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: wasn't successful. Usually a coup means that the military is 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: on the side of the person that's throwing or throwing 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: the power, So I wouldn't go that far. I think 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: that's the preemptive strike by the by the Gigiping in 46 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: order to consolidate. I mean, he's friends with these general 47 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: officers since they were kids. I mean, this is this 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: goes way back, and what he's accusing him of is 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: basically treason, which means he will be summarily executed at 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: some point. So I think it's more or less the 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: communist thing that's taking place here, and maybe things aren't 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: moving fast enough, but we're still waiting for the dust 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: to settle. But if anything, I think it pushes out 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: an invasion of Taiwan, not doesn't make it any sooner. 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I will use coup as the all purpose terminology. And 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the general in question, Jeane Jeanques, is seventy five vice 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: chairman of the Central Military Commission. He's the number two. 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: He runs the entire military. Would why would it be 59 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: thought that there was a change made you call it significant? 60 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: Maybe one of the more significant moves in recent memory. 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: What about it makes it significant, the friendship or something else? 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: Now, Well, at all those things, the friendship and the 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: multiple layers underneath it. In consolidation, the Chinese military has 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: been on red hot when it comes to improving and 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: modernizing and making significant changes and looking to see if 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, they can actually do something. There's a there's 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: an experience gap though, which they don't have, and I 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: think that's maybe what these general officers were saying. There's 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: reports that said that they don't want to go into Taiwan. 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: They feel that the United States would actually do a 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: number on the Chinese government and it would be it 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't be a good way to start. Would could potentially 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: be the Third World War, and that could be the 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: reason why it took place. But the fact that these 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: general officers were behind the rebuild of that military and 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: know it so well and now they're gone, it is 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: fairly significant. And these were the only experienced combat troops 78 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: that they had based on that seventy nine war that 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: the Chinese had in Vietnam, and so they kind of 80 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: know at least what things are like. And again the 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: fact that they were friends from childhood, there is a significant, 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: significant change with regard to how the China's running its military. 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: Talking to Major Mike Leons, retired the United States Army 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: military analysts, you know, you bring up these are soldiers 85 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: that have actually had some fighting experience. China does a 86 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: lot of saber rattling. China does a lot of Hey 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: look at us, whether you know, conversations about missile technology 88 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and the parades and everything else. But they're working on 89 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: their their aircraft carrier technology. But in the end, there's 90 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: a real question about whether or not China could take 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: a punch to the nose the idea of the paper 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: tiger that is China in your analysis, Yeah, is China 93 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: formidable or is there a way to see that they 94 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: are even though they have not actually been tested anywhere? 95 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: Great question. China remains the great imitator, and what they've 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: tried to do is imitate success that they see the 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: United States has had on the battlefield. Go back to the 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: Desert Storm. They saw what the combined arms efforts did 99 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 2: back then, bringing air, sea and land together and to 100 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: destroy the fourth arm largest army in the world back 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: then in four days. And so China remains that imitator 102 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: and believes that they could just roll out the same 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: kinds of things. But to your point, they lack the 104 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: experience and there's a talent gap there. I mean, look 105 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: at the fact that the United States can pull off 106 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: that mission with Maduo because they could put ten to 107 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: twelve people in a room that could come up with 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: that plan that bring all this different experience levels to 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: the table. China doesn't have any of that. They would 110 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: have to start from zero and make these bad assumptions 111 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: that the United States has unfortunately learned the hard way 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: in some cases, and so that really matters, especially at 113 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: the very strategic levels of what they're trying to do, 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that's the major point 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: is they don't know what exactly the United States would 116 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: respond to. They China has hypersonic missiles and fields that 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: they could sink a carriage. We've seen trying to do 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: that in terms of their targeting, but the whether they 119 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: can actually pull the trigger on it, we mays to 120 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: be seen really quick. 121 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: Because you brought up the hypersonics, this is a quick 122 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: detour onto Greenland and the importance of Greenland's strategic placements 123 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: to be able to locate hypersonics before they reach American chores, 124 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: whether it be from Russia, whether they be from China. 125 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: The hypersonic travels with the curverage sure of the earth 126 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: as opposed to a ballistic missile which is heading out 127 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: of out of the atmosphere and then re entering the atmosphere, 128 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: making it much easier to see. Is Greenland the only 129 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: place that we need in order to have more safety 130 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: and security from what is a clear Russian and Chinese threat? 131 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's a major observation post. If you combine Greenland 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: with Alaska on the other side of the hemisphere, you 133 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: have now a triangle type of position. Bring it down 134 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: to the foxhoil level that you've got converging fires, and 135 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: potentially on where the threat could come from. It's exactly right, 136 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: it would come across the top of the Earth, and 137 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: that's why Greenland is so important. I think. I think 138 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: the President was right instinctively and gave Europe a wake 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: up call about Greenland and why it's so important to us. 140 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: I think it remains to be seen whether the iron 141 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: dome technology, the Golden dome, whatever we're calling it, is 142 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: still going to work. I think it's still very difficult 143 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: to hit a missile with a mother missile, especially when 144 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: it's going hypersonic speed. I think there's going to be 145 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: other ways that that's going to have that missile taken out, 146 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: not necessarily kinetically, maybe electronically or something else. But Greenland 147 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: is very strategic, and it's as a store a place 148 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: on the planet it is. It is a place where 149 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: we've got we have to put resources there to protect 150 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: what's really the side door of our country, at the 151 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: top door, whatever you want to call it, which could 152 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: be an easy target. 153 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired to the United States 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Army military analyst, let me bring you now to another 155 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: part of the globe, which is Iran. And I mentioned 156 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: the USS Abraham Lincoln making its way I believe to 157 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the Mediterranean. The Houti rebels have said they would shoot 158 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: at the Abram Lincol because of course they're supported by Iran. 159 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: You have other destroyers and other warships that are going 160 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: to go in the med and in the Persian Gulf, 161 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: all because the pressure is on to get rid of 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: the Ayatola. The protests have been happening. Word on the 163 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: street is that the Iatola and the IRGC, the Islamic 164 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard Corus killed forty thousand Iranians who have been 165 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: engaged in protests, and I'm willing to bet you any 166 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: amount of money major that that number is low compared 167 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: to what has really happened on the streets there. But 168 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: it seems that the president's moves and maneuvers, where he's 169 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: told these protesters help is on its way, would be 170 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: about hitting military targets, not necessarily breaking the IRGC, which 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: would be necessary for the people of Iran to actually 172 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: be free of the Islamic yok of the Ayatolas. So 173 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: you see these assets moving into the men moving into 174 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf. What is moving where and what is 175 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: the purpose? 176 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think the president backed themselves into having some 177 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: kind of military solution because you've told the Iranian people 178 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: you have to stand by and what are those targets? Well, again, 179 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: we've got smart people in the room trying to figure 180 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: that out right now, and I think a lot of 181 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 2: it's probably has to do with Israeli intelligence, as I've 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: got to believe that they've infiltrated well inside Iran in 183 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: the past five to ten years, which gave us the 184 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: kind of intel that allowed us to do that strike 185 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: that we did last spring. But the military targets are 186 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: clearly on the Revolutionary Guards and those tar and their capability, 187 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: and likely first will be missile capability that they still 188 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: have as much as the Israelis knocked a lot of 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: it out of it, the anti missile defense platforms. They 190 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: all to go after the offensive systems and take them 191 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: out as they pose a threat. Now once they're done, 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: now they go after and then specific let's say RGC 193 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: or Revolutionary Guards headquarters, and I think that's what those 194 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: military targets will be. It's still a very difficult thing 195 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: to believe that it's going to cause the revolution to 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: take place, because civilians don't have any weapons on their side. 197 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: They're going to need the Iranian army to not fight 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: against the civilians, the Iranian army itself, the regular army, 199 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: in order to at least give them a fighting chance. 200 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: But we know in Tehran with the water crisis that's 201 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: taking place, in the humanitarian crisis, and it is a 202 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: very challenging situation. 203 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: But the the helping of these of the Iranian people 204 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: has to come from a willingness to break that army 205 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: or break the IRGC. 206 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: And that is something that I do not know comes 207 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: from an aircraft carrier being parked in the med or 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: in the Persian Gulf. So where where I'm going to 209 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: ask again? Maybe it's a different question. Maybe it's the 210 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: same question. Where's the pressure point? What makes the iatola 211 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: go run for cover? And oh, by the way, where 212 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: the hell is he going to run to? 213 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's there's no insider. It doesn't appear like 214 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: there was in Venezuela, and there's no mote. Let's say 215 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: that you can create between the people doing the killing, 216 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: the RGC and the and the regime against the civilians. 217 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: That's there as we can throw all the internet connections 218 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: that we want inside and we're still getting the terrible stories. 219 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: But that's not going to take it. It's going to 220 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: be hard power and and I'm curious to see what 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: what the targets are when this thing finally goes down, 222 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: because it was a bad expectation in some ways that 223 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: the president gave that that he could get them to 224 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: stop with with that with just military at taxes. I 225 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: just I just don't see it. There's nothing there they 226 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: can do it. It's going to take some uprising inside 227 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: the country that we just don't know. 228 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Is that an uprising that's supported by US on the ground, 229 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: supported by sending them weapons, supported by external pressure. What 230 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: does what does that look like? 231 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's where there Israeli government comes into play, because 232 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: it's a home game for them and not us, and 233 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: we don't have as many assets there. I'm sure that 234 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: that we'd like to think we have. And the CIA, 235 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: by the way, he has done a tremendous job when 236 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: you think about it, what they've done in Venezuela with Maduro, 237 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 2: and let's say it had something to do with what 238 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: to you and happening in China, if that was true 239 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: about that general officer flipping on nuclear secrets. But bring 240 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: it back to Iran, it's a same thing here. Whereas 241 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: they're looking for that lynch pin, they're looking for that 242 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: one or two individuals that can that can make a difference. 243 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: They just haven't seen it yet. 244 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Major Mike Lions, retired United States Army military analyst. I 245 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: appreciate taking the time to be with us more to 246 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: get to I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.