1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Line from vall Hartbner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. So birthright citizenship in front of the 3 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. President Trump was there, he was in the room. 4 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: He was there for the oral arguments being made by 5 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: the Solicitor General John Sower. And I will tell you 6 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: I listened to John Sower. I listened to a bunch 7 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: of it. I don't think he ended his conversation with 8 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: the justices on a winning note. And that is true 9 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: until I heard the lawyer for the ACLU fighting this 10 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: executive order from the President of the United States regarding 11 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: birthright citizenship. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, 12 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: Good to be with you. This is anchor babies, however 13 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: you want to describe it, that's what this is. And 14 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 2: so I bring this to you right now as somebody 15 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: who is not a lawyer, an observer, maybe a better 16 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: observer than some, but certainly not a lawyer. 17 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: And even if I were a lawyer, to be a lawyer. 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: Within this context, to have a level of expertise, and 19 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: this is very few people kind of stuff. There's a 20 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: reason Supreme Court justices have their stabs. They are indeed 21 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: better at this than the vast majority of US sands. 22 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: Of course, Katanji Brown Jackson, who was extra special today. 23 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: I mean she was extra extra terrific, especially with her 24 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: questions about, Hey, you know, can I ask about. 25 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Parents in this whole argument? 26 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 4: If you know minds, your view of this turns on 27 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 4: what the status of the parents are and not the child, 28 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 4: as would the born in the United States view of it. 29 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 4: Can you help us understand why we wouldn't expect to 30 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: see a mention of parents in the text of this amendment. 31 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 5: I think it was well understood that, for example, children 32 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 5: cannot newborns cannot form domicile. 33 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: So it followed every nineteenth century that. 34 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 4: Assumes domicile is in the test. And I'm asking you, 35 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: how do we know that Congress did adopt the test 36 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 4: that you say it adopts. 37 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 5: When you look at nineteenth century conceptions of allegiance, the 38 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 5: notion that the allegiance again you say domicile is instantiating 39 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 5: the concept of allegiance for aliens as opposed to citizen. 40 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: All of that, the nineteenth century understands the newborns domicile, 41 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 5: it's allegiance follows the allegiance of the parents, And I 42 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 5: point out that their theory realizes on parental allegiance as well, 43 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 5: because they recognize the exceptions for you know, hostile invading armies, 44 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 5: for tribal Indians, for ambassadors, again, the child's allegian status 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: even on their view your. 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Now, it would seem to me that what justice Katanji 47 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: Brown Jackson is asking is why can't we just trust 48 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: the babies. 49 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: To make this decision? 50 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: As if parents have to be something that is uniquely 51 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: carved out as opposed to something that is understood. 52 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: There were a couple moments of just. 53 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's Katanji Brown Jackson being Katanji Brown Jackson. Say, 54 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: let's get into a little bit of the meat of 55 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: this case, because this does matter. And I will tell 56 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: you that there is precedent, there is history, there is interpretation, 57 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: and one of the things that got discussed in depth 58 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: was this very except of domicile. We talk about the 59 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment, which reads a section one. All persons born 60 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: or naturalized in the United States and subjects to the 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of 62 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: the state wherein they reside. 63 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: Now, the clear. 64 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: Argument made by those of us who are of the 65 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: layman class is this is what we created in a 66 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: putting an end to slavery and ensuring that people were 67 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: black in America who clearly we're going to keep living here. 68 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: Our Americans have rights. That's the argument, that's the basis. 69 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: We look at subject of the jurisdiction thereof and say, 70 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: somebody who snuck into the United States, snuck into the country, 71 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: well illegally crossed to the country, didn't even speak, just 72 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: walked right through with Joe Biden. That person is not 73 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: subject to the jurisdiction thereof. 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: Children that they have are equally not subject to the 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: jurisdiction they are. 76 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: We talk about parents as we just alluded to the 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: I think nonsense statement from Justice Jackson, and we get 78 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 2: this idea of well, to in order to be a citizen, 79 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: you have to be of here. And this brings up 80 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: this conversation of domicile, which really dominated so much of 81 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: today's back and forth. 82 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 4: It was. 83 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: The massive amount of the case is this question of well, 84 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 2: what do you mean by by being here living here? 85 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: Uh? And and and how does that work? 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: And it came to a conversation from John Sour which 87 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: came to a conversation about the idea of loyalty and 88 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: the idea of an allegiance to the United States. So 89 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: this was part of the exchange between John Souer. 90 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 6: Who is the. 91 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: Solicitor General and Justice. 92 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: That Jack they were doing was departing from that common 93 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: law rule in the way that you suggest, that is, 94 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: in the they were seeking to have this turn on domicile. 95 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 4: I think you have a number of hurdles to accomplish 96 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: those two things, one of which I think is that 97 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: when we look at this Court's case law no one 98 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,119 Speaker 4: I think is mentioned Schooner's exchange. But it appears that 99 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 4: that was an eighteen twelve case in which it seems 100 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: as though the Court had already accepted at the time 101 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: of the ratification of the fourteenth Amendment that the allegiance 102 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: that you were talking about was the English common law 103 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: rule that, in other words, allegiance meant that you are 104 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: covered by the laws of the jurisdiction, that you can 105 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: rely on that jurisdiction's protection. That's what allegiance meant. Now 106 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: you're saying today, no, no allegiance meant something about loyalty 107 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: or that kind of idea. But if the Supreme Court 108 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: had prior to the Fourteenth Amendment established that allegiance meant 109 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: the common law definition. I think your first hurdle is 110 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 4: to help us understand why we would believe that when 111 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: when the fourteenth Amendment was ratified, the framers weren't just 112 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: incorporating what. 113 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: We had previously said it meant. 114 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: Page five seventy two the Congression Record directly addresses this. 115 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 5: They say, the concept of temporary and local allegiance from 116 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: the schooner exchange is what is meant by or temporary 117 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: local jurisdiction from the schooner exchange is what is meant 118 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 5: by the word jurisdiction in fourteenth Amendment. Here Trumbull says, 119 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 5: I thought about saying, oh, allegiance, but again, quote, there's 120 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: a sort of allegiance from persons temporarily resident in the 121 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 5: United States whom we have no right to make citizens 122 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 5: so expressly in conscience. 123 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: Okay, well, whatever did reliance on? 124 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: What do we do with I mean, that's a debate, 125 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: and it's the discussion very. 126 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: Doubt Well, if he's going to refute your point, Justice Jackson, 127 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: and you're not going to give him the credit for 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: it that he deserves, I don't want to do there 129 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: I thought that was a pretty kind of telling maneuver 130 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: from Justice Jackson. This idea of domicile, this idea of 131 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: what makes a citizen, this idea of allegiance, all these 132 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 2: things came up in a lot of different ways. This 133 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: was of part of what I really thought made. 134 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: Slicer. 135 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: General Sower's argument was this idea of jurisdiction and this 136 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: very concept of there has to be something provable. And 137 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: I think that the majority of Americans would kind of 138 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: see it that way. 139 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: They would talk about in the very general. 140 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: But there were some really interesting questions that were brought up. 141 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: Let's say an American citizen moves to Norway. There's no 142 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: intention of coming back to the United States, but still 143 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: the United States says, then they moved to Norway, they 144 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: live in Norway, they domicile in Norway. They come back 145 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: to the US to visit Grandma. Amy Coney Barrett asked this, 146 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: they come to visit Grandma. I'm kind of embellishing the 147 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: story a little bit because I'm a better storyteller than 148 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: Amy Conny Barrett. 149 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: She's a better justice. 150 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: And while back in the US, Boom has a baby, 151 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: woman was pregnant, comes back to see Grandma Boom has 152 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: a baby. Is that baby an American citizen? She's an American, 153 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: she doesn't domicile here. Now at that moment, you start 154 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: grabbing bourbon because that's a really interesting question. And I 155 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: will guarantee you the vast majority of us who are 156 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: part of the show. 157 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: We did not ask that question to ourselves. 158 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: That's a good question, right, we're not discussing where we 159 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: are with the baseline. You can't have people crossing into 160 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: the country having a baby and saying today we're Americans. 161 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: There are and you saw that. And look for this 162 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: producer Landon because John Sour this listener general here it 163 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: is no, I've got it, I've got it. Never mind 164 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: he brought this up. You want to talk about good points. 165 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: You may not know this because I did not know 166 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: the exact number until today. 167 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: There are. 168 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: Five hundred companies in China that do birth tourism. 169 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 6: You mentioned in your briefing and also this morning, the 170 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 6: problem of birth tourism. Do you have any information about 171 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 6: how common that is or how significant a problem it is. 172 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: It's a great question. No one knows for sure. 173 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 5: There's that March night letter from a number of members 174 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 5: of Congress to. 175 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: DHS saying do we have any information about this? 176 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 5: The media reports indicate estimates could be over one point 177 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: a million or one point five million from the People's 178 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 5: Republic of China alone. The Congressional report that we cite 179 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: in our brief talks about certain hot spots like Russian 180 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: elites coming to Miami through these birth tourism companies. I mean, 181 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: here's the fact about it that I think is striking. 182 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 5: Media reported as early as twenty fifteen that, based on 183 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: Chinese media reports, there are five hundred five hundred birth 184 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 5: tourism companies in the People's Republic of China. 185 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: This is what we as Americans are addressing here. The 186 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: problem is because I had somebody in the chatter, and Mike, 187 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: I think it was you, right when I'm talking about 188 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: this case as Amy Cody Barrett brought it up, but 189 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: positive as woman in Norway, how often does that come up. 190 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: I'm worried about third world people dropping, you know, having 191 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: babies and then claiming citizenship. Right, Mike, you said it 192 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: a little more crudely than I did. Let's let's not 193 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: do that. But that is exactly where we all are, 194 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: right if we're sitting on the barstool. 195 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: It's you and me a barstool of bourbon. 196 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: This is our conversation when we gather for Thanksgiving, our 197 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: holiday or whatever it is. And when you get political, 198 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: this is the conversation. You get to come here, you 199 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: have a kid. The next thing you know, you're a citizen, 200 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: and you get this and that and the other. It's crazy. 201 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: That's where the vast part of the conversation is. But 202 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: you can't not deny. No, you can't deny not can't 203 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: not deny. You can't deny that. There are other parts 204 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: of this conversation that once you open the box, it's 205 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: all in. 206 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: There, and so it has to be discussed so very much. 207 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: It seemed to me that the position of the administration 208 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: was here, actually here, properly here, one could say. The 209 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: argument from the ACLU, which is challenging this, seem to 210 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: stem from a case called Wang Kim arc. It's interesting stuff. 211 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: I claim no expertise. I've been reading and you're gonna 212 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: hear a lot about this case and the decision as 213 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: put forth by Justice Horace Gray. This goes back to 214 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight. 215 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 3: Wang Kim Ark is Chinese. 216 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: He was born in San Francisco to Chinese citizens. His 217 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: parents are Chinese. He lives in the United States. He's 218 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: twenty one. He takes a trip to China to visit 219 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: his parents. So sometime within his parents moved back to China. 220 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: He goes to visit his parents, he comes back to 221 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: the US. He's denied entry. Why he's not a US citizen. Now, 222 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: you got all to think of the time. You got 223 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,119 Speaker 2: to think of things that were going on regarding Chinese nationals, 224 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: and there was a push to keep the Chinese out. 225 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: There were a host of things going on. But we 226 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: set up some basic parameters there. He was born here. 227 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: That could be a parameter, and that could That was 228 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: a little bit or a lot of bit of what 229 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: the ACLU is relying on. He lived here, he then 230 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: went to China to visit. He came back and he 231 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: was told, you can't come in because you're not a citizen. 232 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: So it goes to the Supreme Court. This is eighteen 233 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: ninety eight. It's going to the Supreme Court. And so 234 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: it was whether or not a child born in the 235 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: US of parents of Chinese descent. 236 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: And this is how it reads. An excerpt from Justice 237 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: Horace Gray. 238 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: The majority opinion, who at the time of his birth 239 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have permanent 240 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: domicylum residents in the United States, and are there carrying 241 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or 242 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time 243 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: of his birth a citizen of the United States by 244 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: virtue of the first clause of the fourteenth Amendment of 245 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: the Constitution. Now there is a really important line here 246 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: about not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under 247 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: the Emperor of China, because there is this agreed upon 248 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: recognition that if you are the child of an ambassador, 249 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: that doesn't count. You would not be a citizen of 250 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: the United States. It would not apply. And it seems 251 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: outside of some things I'm in an understand or had 252 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: I've heard, it seems to be this agreed upon practice. 253 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 7: So what they ruled is is that the statement of 254 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 7: the fourteenth Amendment, all persons born or naturalized in the 255 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 7: United States and subjects of the jurisdiction thereof are citizens 256 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 7: of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. 257 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: Now he recognizes, does the Justice that this. 258 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: Was something that was set up and unquestionably to right 259 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: the wrongs of dred Scott and dred Scott came up 260 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: today and to ensure that we're talking about people who 261 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: are black and or were slaves. But when it says 262 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: all persons, it says all persons. But I think this 263 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: goes back to this idea of domicile, and the justices 264 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: today pounded the ACLU on this by saying it's one 265 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: thing to say born, but the twenty times he brings 266 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: up domicile, it must mean a residence in a survival 267 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: and an existence in a place. Holy cow, fantastic argument. 268 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: Who's gonna win it? I'll give you my thoughts coming up. 269 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 270 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm just talking with the chat room about what I 271 00:16:52,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: think is going to come from this case. And there 272 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: are people who do this for a living who certainly 273 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: disagree with me, and they think that this is. 274 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 3: This is going to be. 275 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: Well in favor I'm sorry, well against the administration. Tony Katz, 276 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: Tony kats today this is birthright citizenship that it's going 277 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: to be a real statement of no, no, no. It 278 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: says what it says, and if you want to go 279 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: about changing the constitution. You can, but it says all persons. 280 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: It says all persons. We're going to go with all persons. 281 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be all persons. But just like in 282 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: every other situation with the court, just because you see 283 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: something today doesn't mean you're gonna fel that way tomorrow, 284 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that the initial feeling on any 285 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: ruling is the right one. I will tell you, as 286 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: I was telling the chat room there, you go to 287 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: YouTube YouTube dot com slash Tony Katz and don't forget 288 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: to like and subscribe. 289 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: Do that right now. 290 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 2: When I saw when I heard John Sower, the Solicitor 291 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: General on behalf of the administration, I thought he got 292 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: the living snock kicked out of him, and he was 293 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: totally prepared. The court just did not seem interested in 294 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: his argument. When Cecilia Wang for the ACLU spoke, she 295 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: kept relying on this case. This case that I spoke 296 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: about Wong kim Ark from eighteen ninety eight, and I 297 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: have now read part of it and it's clear that 298 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: part of the reason he was allowed to stay in 299 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 2: the country was because he did live in the country. 300 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: His parents were from China, but he was born here, 301 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: but that's not the part that mattered. It seems that 302 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: in the the majority opinion by justice at the time 303 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: named Horace Gray, he was domiciled here, and it comes 304 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: up like twenty times. And the argument the court was 305 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: making to Cecilia Wang is it says domicile. That's got 306 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: to mean something. It didn't mean anything. Why in the 307 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: world would Justice Gray bring it up? And I think 308 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: this domicile thing is not something that the court shakes 309 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: so easily. 310 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: Maybe it's I. 311 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Hope after hearing her, I wouldn't be surprised with a 312 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: five to four in favor of the administration. But I 313 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: think we're fifty to fifty on where this court's going 314 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: to go. I'm Tony Katz. I'm done hearing about the court. 315 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: Let's hear from a President Trump. Shall we that does 316 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: a long have to make. 317 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: A deal for the. 318 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: US to end its operation, you. 319 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 6: Know, and go. 320 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 8: Ronda doesn't have to make a deal now. Yeah, I've 321 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 8: spoken to a lot of people. 322 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: It's a new regime. They are much more accessible. They 323 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: are right, you know. 324 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 8: They said we have a president for you, mister president, 325 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 8: out of respect, and they said, wait a minute, you 326 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 8: want me to answer the question. 327 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: You're a fresh person. 328 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 8: You know, we had a lot of problems with you, 329 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 8: haven't we. No, they don't ask me a question. 330 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: No, they don't have to make a deal with me. 331 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 9: When we feel that they are for a long period 332 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 9: of time put. 333 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 8: Into the stone ages and they won't be able to 334 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 8: come up with a. 335 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: Nuclear weapon, then we'll leave. Whether we have a deal 336 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: or not irrelevant. 337 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 8: Now it's possible that we'll have a deal because they 338 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 8: want to make a deal. They want to make a 339 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 8: deal more than I want to make a deal. But 340 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 8: in a fairly short period of time will be finished. 341 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 8: They will not be able to do a nuclear weapon 342 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 8: for years. 343 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 9: And when they already maybe in a long time from now, 344 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 9: able to do a nuclear weapon, you'll have a president 345 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 9: that will be like me, and that he will go 346 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 9: there and he'll knock the hell out of him again. 347 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: I find this to be a very odd and problematic statement, 348 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: and maybe that's the reason the president is going to 349 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: be addressing the nation. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, guys, 350 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: good to be with you. It's a prime time address 351 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: that's gonna happen this evening. And is he going to say, well, 352 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: we're gonna, we're gonna, We're done. We've won, We're gonna leave. 353 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: Now we're done in Iran. Thank you, guys, gotta go. 354 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: We're not done, and we're clearing out the straight up 355 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: our moves. And here's how we have turned over everything 356 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: regarding the straight up our moves to European nations. It's 357 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: their problem. Tell them to figure it out. I have 358 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: no idea what the man is going to say. All 359 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: I know is tonight first night to pass over. I've 360 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: got the satyr. I'm going to eat well. And and 361 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: you know, by the way, it's not the worst part 362 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: about passing. I think it's a lovely holiday. No no 363 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: wheat right, no levining, So no bourbon. I can hear 364 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: your screams. 365 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: I can. 366 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, the struggle is very very real. No bourbon this evening. 367 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna watch the President give this primetime address bourbonless. 368 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, I suffer. I suffer for 369 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: my people. Dang it. 370 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to say. But the 371 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: President was in the Oval yesterday and he just said 372 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: we're dealing with a new regime. So he's already admitted 373 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: that it's regime change. We've got through two regimes. It's 374 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: the third regime. There's so much easier to deal with. 375 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: But they're all still radicals, and they can't have a 376 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon, and we're going to keep them from having 377 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon for the next fifteen to twenty years, 378 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 2: and otherwise we're gonna bomb the hell out of them. 379 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: Again. 380 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: They're radicals, but they're amenable. We're trying to create a deal, 381 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 2: but we don't have to have a deal. There's a 382 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: lot of confusing statements in there. Understanding Trump talk. 383 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 3: The way that I do it is as. 384 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: Long as we don't have them making nuclear weapons, I'm 385 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: fine with walking. 386 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 3: Away from the thing. I'll let Europe clean up. 387 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: The Straight of Hormves and get their act together, and 388 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: I'll continue to absolutely insult them and humiliate them until 389 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: they get the dang thing done. I mean, I'm getting 390 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: help here, there and everywhere. Did you know that the 391 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: UAE is in for this. The United Arab Emirates preparing 392 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 2: to help the United States. 393 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 3: The story is over there at the Wall Street Journal. 394 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: They are going to help open the Straight of hor 395 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: Moves by force. 396 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: They're entering the fray. Now. 397 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: Their lobbying for a UN Security Council resolution that would 398 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: authorize the action. You don't wait for the UN, kid, 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: You don't wait for the UN. You just go about 400 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: handling business, all right. But the UAE is going to 401 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: come in on the side of the United States and 402 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: therefore Israel. And my question for Tucker Carlston and Meghan 403 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: Kelly and Candas Owens is how did the Israelis manipulate 404 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: the UAE into doing this? 405 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: How did those wicked Israelis? You know, the. 406 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: Jews when you spell it with seventeen, the more o's 407 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: you spell Jews with, the more evil they become. That's 408 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 2: absolutely true. That is absolutely true. So tonight, as we're 409 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 2: gathered for Passover, we will take a vote on how 410 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: many o's for the next year. My number twenty seven 411 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: and a half. That's how you denote how truly evil? Right, 412 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: how Megan Kelly views the Jews? 413 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: Right, You got to get to the quick s. 414 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: That's the half of O right there, or they could 415 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: just give up this non sense bullcraft talking points, the 416 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: ignorance and stupidity of which they are engaged in desperate 417 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: to get their twenty two year old audience. 418 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 3: Why not the honest with the twenty two year old audience. 419 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 2: Nick Foontes is a liar who has never once had 420 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: sex a day in his life. Maybe that's not a 421 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: guy you should emulate, and ladies, it would be a 422 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: lot easier on the guys if you weren't so wrapped 423 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: up in your nonsense feminism and thinking that men were toxic, 424 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: if you could just, I don't know, admit that you're wrong, 425 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: and the people who were guiding you were the worst 426 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: Karen Losers available in all of humanity, the suburban wine 427 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: moms who complain about everything. It's not my fault, ladies, 428 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: that your husbands don't love you and don't want to 429 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: touch you and would rather bang the secretary. Maybe if 430 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: you weren't so awful to begin with, Maybe if you'd 431 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: picked a better husband. I don't know, but could you 432 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: stop so absolutely screaming about this nonsense that your daughters 433 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: think that all guys are evil, and guys say, why 434 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: go on a date? 435 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: I'd much rather just stay home with the video games 436 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: and porn. 437 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: You don't think I'm making that up to you. You 438 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: understand that that is absolutely accurate, don't you. 439 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: There is a really interesting poll. 440 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: That was put out by Helen Smith, doctor Smith, who 441 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: writes a lot about these subjects about men and women 442 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: and relationships, And she had put out a poll and 443 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: it's totally unscientific. Men, what would incentivize you to approach 444 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: women more or get married? 445 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: And there were four choices. 446 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: Laws should be changed, women need to change, the culture 447 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: needs to change. 448 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: Nothing I'm done. 449 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: Coming in fourth place was laws should be changed, and 450 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what laws you would change there, but okay, 451 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: seventeen and a half percent. The culture needs to change, 452 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: twenty six point three percent, Women need to change twenty 453 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: seven point nine percent, and at twenty eight point three percent, 454 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: nothing I'm done. 455 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: Well, okay, then nothing I'm done. 456 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: That creates a very very large scale issue. Maybe maybe 457 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: stop hating men, and then men looking for a sense 458 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 2: of belonging won't follow loser schmucks like Nick Fointes. And 459 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: then maybe people like Megan Kelly and Candas Ollwen's at 460 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson so desperate for a click, wouldn't say I'm 461 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: going to forego anything I ever believed in in order 462 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: to grab this audience right here because it means longevity. 463 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 3: Maybe, and then you. 464 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: Wouldn't hear them talking about how Israel manipulated Donald Trump? 465 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 3: Oh, just manipulated. 466 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: They manipulated Donald Trump, and they manipulated the UAE. 467 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: Sure, Megan, Sure, listen. 468 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: Nothing's going to take away from the crap job you 469 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: did moderating the debate the first time Trump ran for president. 470 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: Nothing that's on your permanent record. But as for the 471 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: war in Iran, well, it continues to pace, it does. 472 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: We see continued a movement, and you see that the 473 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: president has been very very aggressive towards these European nations 474 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: and making the statement of where in the world are you? 475 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: Where in the world are you? How come you're not 476 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: doing more here? Now this brings up a whole NATO conversation, 477 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: but I'm going to get to that in a little bit. 478 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: You then heard from people like Kiir Starmer, who is 479 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: the British Prime Minister, saying that we are going to 480 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: make moves to help reopen the Strait. But be clear, 481 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: this isn't our war. Okay, it's it's not your war. 482 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: It's not your war. 483 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 2: It's not your war. What am I supposed to tell 484 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: you it is your war? If you say it's not 485 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: your war, it's not your war. As a matter of fact, 486 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 2: I'm the guy who said that from the beginning, that 487 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: you cannot expect Britain or France or anybody else to 488 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: get involved when you didn't bring them in at the beginning, 489 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: when you didn't bring them in to be part of 490 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: the initial attack. They don't want to be seen as 491 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: coming to the party late. They don't want want that. 492 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: These leaders want to be seen as as being leaders. 493 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: They want to be seen as being strong. President Trump said, hey, 494 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: it's it's your oil. Go get it your upset, which 495 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: I feel buy it from user, Go get your oil. 496 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: What do you what do you want? What do you expect? Now, 497 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: Great Britain didn't do what France did. France did not 498 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: allow the United States to fly over. They didn't allow 499 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: us to utilize their airspace. The Israelis are infuriated. So 500 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: not only do you have France recognizing Palestinian statehood, because 501 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: Emmanuel mac cron is just the kind of guy to 502 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: recognize Palaestadian statehood, which is to say, hey, let's reward 503 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: terrorists who murdered twelve hundred people on October seventh. That's 504 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: what he did. It'spain did, disgusting stuff. But there's also 505 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: a lot of work that's done on a military side, 506 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: things that are procured by Israel from France. So Israel 507 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: is stopping it because they wouldn't let the US fly over, 508 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: and some of those things were headed to Israel as 509 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: a bit of replenishment. The director of the Director General 510 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: of the Israel Ministry of Defense, man, if I could talk, 511 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: i'd be dangerous. The Director General of the Israel Ministry 512 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: of Defense, Major General Amir Bram, has decided to reduce 513 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: all defense procurement from France to zero, replacing it with 514 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: domestic Israeli procurement or purchases from Allied countries. 515 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 3: Good right, what we said yesterday. 516 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 2: What I said yesterday was that France has to suffer 517 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: for this decision. Now you say to me, Tony, what 518 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: about the Italians? And other people are like, well, what 519 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: did the Italians do? So this is a weird, weird 520 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: story because it's not that the Italians are walking it back. 521 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: I used that expression earlier. That's not the best expression. 522 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: They're trying to explain it. There were some B two 523 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: bombers that were looking to land in Sicily at a 524 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: base in Sicily, whether it was refueling or whatever it was, 525 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: and the response they got was, yeah, we don't have 526 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: the clearance for this. You can't land here. I know 527 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: you don't have the clearance. We're gonna land? What are 528 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: you talking crazy? We have a clearance. Well, we didn't 529 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: get word from Rome, so you can't land here. Is 530 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 2: it possible it's a communication error. This person didn't talk 531 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: to that person and talk to the other person and 532 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: talk to your mother, didn't think put things out, didn't 533 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: pick up the semaphores. 534 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely, it's possible. It's possible. 535 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: And if I'm Georgia Maloney, I am all about leaning 536 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: into that. I am all about leaning into that, because 537 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: the last thing she wants is the problem with the US. 538 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: She knows that a bunch of these European nations are ridiculous. 539 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: She's trying to keep that relationship going, but not allowing 540 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 2: them to land was bad move. They're trying to cover 541 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: the tracks. I don't see Italy as I see France 542 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: in this case. And maybe we'll give them the benefit 543 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: of doubt. But dear Lord, these nations that don't want 544 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: to work, that don't want to work in their own interest, well, 545 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. They want to work against us. That's something different. 546 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: What's the President going to say tonight. I have no idea, 547 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: but he's got to be able to make it clean 548 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: and coherent. 549 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: We'll find out. This is Tony Katz today. 550 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: A story out of Virginia about an illegal immigrant. I 551 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: know what you're saying, Tony, that is shocking. Well, no, 552 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: it's not. Neither are the details. It seems the details 553 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: lead us to a place about an illegal immigrant arrested 554 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: for murder in Fairfax County. Fairfax County, Virginia seems very 555 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: intent on being the epicenter of being the worst place 556 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: in America, which is kind of insane, because that's what 557 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: Newark is for. 558 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: Throwing throwing shade at Newark. You're welcome. The local ABC affiliate. 559 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 2: They're saying that this guy from Guatemala enter the United 560 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: States illegally in an unknown place in time, charged with 561 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: second degree murder for killing a man with a machete. 562 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: And this is the same place with the same governor, 563 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: Abigail Spamburger, who doesn't feel the need to listen to 564 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: ice detainers and won't turn people over. Now I ask you, 565 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: this guy has a kid American citizen, and therefore he 566 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 2: also gets to stay. You say, to me, Tony, that's 567 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: not fair. And I'll say to you, answer the question. 568 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz.