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Speaker 1: be at six over on our sister station at WIBC.

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Speaker 1: I think I said Michigan State earlier that is produced

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Speaker 1: game in Macki Arena on Friday evening. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. Don Fisher

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Speaker 1: is the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, and Don, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to begin with this only because I'm pretty certain

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Speaker 1: story that I know, I mean very well from when

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Speaker 1: we are days in college together. But Ryan Carr now

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Speaker 1: officially being named as the executive director of basketball for

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Speaker 1: Indiana University Athletics. I think it's a great story just

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Speaker 1: because I know and I just shared with everyone Ryan's

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Speaker 1: journey of ending up in Indiana just because of his

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Speaker 1: full circle moment, assuming that you know him on a

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Speaker 1: I wanted to begin with just getting your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Ryan Carr's hiring now as the executive director of basketball

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm excited for Ryan. I've known Ryan for

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Speaker 2: many years, obviously a manager down at AU back in

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Speaker 2: I think has really done a tremendous job in almost

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Speaker 2: and I think he'll fill that position extremely well. I'm

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Speaker 2: that context. I'm sure he's had that explained to him,

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Speaker 2: But there's no question I'm excited for him. I'm excited

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Speaker 3: I haven't you know the one thing, Don and you

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fun because when you say you're not

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Speaker 1: But and I wanted you. I think you'll agree with

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Speaker 3: That defines Ryan Carr.

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Speaker 1: This is somebody, at least in the foundation of what

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing to me that is the most encouraging.

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Speaker 2: No question. And I'll tell you on top of that,

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Speaker 2: as we all know. I think it's a great hire.

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Speaker 2: I think Scott Dolson, I think the staff down there

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Speaker 1: That game on Friday night in macki Don was one

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Speaker 2: What I did not think at the offense. I just

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Speaker 1: Don we obviously saw a stretch. Don Fischer is my

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Speaker 1: And Sam Alexis has been a guy that can give

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Speaker 1: Is this simply a confidence issue of a shooter or

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think that the scouting report on him

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Speaker 2: And as you know, Connor Enwright's not known as a score.

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Speaker 2: And that's what a point guard does, or most point

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Speaker 2: The other thing that Indiana is not getting right now

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Speaker 3: Done this.

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Speaker 1: Point might be like kind of on a curve with

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing that this team has

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Speaker 2: They and they have played as a team. And I

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Speaker 1: Don I know your level of patriotism. I'm curious after

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Speaker 2: Trust me, I don't put red or blue on my face,

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Speaker 3: It was pretty all.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. The emotion of that particular win yesterday

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Speaker 3: It was pretty awesome, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Don Tomorrow night it is Indiana and Northwestern seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: pregame six o'clock over on our sister station, WIBC, and

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Speaker 1: we will be listening.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me, Jake Don Fisher, the voice

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Speaker 1: of the Hoosiers joining us. Yes, okay, so the money

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Speaker 1: is it going to be talking? When it comes to

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Speaker 3: Now, Eddie, you ready, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I did a radio hit as we call it in

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking when I said it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to predict right now, You ready, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna predict they signed Daniel Jones to a four year,

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Speaker 3: That's my prediction. Is that totally off base?

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Speaker 2: You think what is that per year?

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Speaker 1: Thirty well one twenty five would be uh thirty point

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Speaker 1: one two five per year?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be three years around twenty eight with

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Speaker 1: That's fair, twenty eight, I think, yeah. I mean maybe

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Speaker 4: It's longer than three years, I'm really gonna question why

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Speaker 3: But I'm telling you what, Let's go to the Java

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Speaker 3: House coldbrew coffee.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yesterday, Shannon I went to the Java

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Speaker 1: Ordered it on the app Java House app, ordered it

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Speaker 1: I used to code Jake twenty five and got twenty

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Speaker 2: The entire order.

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Speaker 3: So there is the key.

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Speaker 1: If you go to the Java House app, you can

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Speaker 1: coffee houses. Mike Chappell joining us NFL Combine getting underway.

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Speaker 1: Colts will speak tomorrow, chap We know right now they

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Speaker 1: are basically at the negotiating table right Daniel Jones's representatives

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Speaker 1: What is the ballpark you would estimate that will be towards?

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, pretty sure something gets done. The franchise

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Speaker 5: all that, but but it shouldn't. All that matters. All

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Speaker 5: Because you can sign a five years zillion million, you know,

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Speaker 5: That's your money. So what I've always considered in these

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Speaker 5: Not so much one hundred million, one hundred and fifty million,

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Speaker 5: Michael Pittman's gonna count twenty nine million to get the cap.

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be interesting. I think they both get done

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the franchise cost.

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Speaker 5: And it's the fallback is if you can't get something

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Speaker 1: The franchise tag for Alec Pierce is pretty consistent with

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Speaker 5: Either one. I don't know if I wouldn't use the

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Speaker 5: space for Jones and a long term deal that won't

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Speaker 5: be that high. I kind of think they're going to

439
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Speaker 5: approach two or three players to redo contracts. Uh Quentin, Uh,

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Speaker 5: maybe the Forest Buckner, maybe Jonathan Taylor. I don't know

441
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Speaker 5: they've got I'll tell you they've got really really smart

442
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Speaker 5: cat people. And while the salary cap is is sort

443
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Speaker 5: of uh, it's not it's not hard at all. It's

444
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Speaker 5: kind of so you can make that thing to do

445
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Speaker 5: whatever you want by pushing money forward. So I think

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Speaker 5: in the next two weeks they get both of these

447
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Speaker 5: guys done and then they'll figure out what they're doing

448
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Speaker 5: because o're the players. Uh, you know, they've got to

449
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Speaker 5: decide what to do with Antheya Richardson they do, I

450
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Speaker 5: think they trade him.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you think his value is? What's his

452
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Speaker 3: marketable or five or six?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but he's it's kind of obvious to

454
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Speaker 5: me that that he just doesn't fit what shain Stichein

455
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Speaker 5: likes to do, and I think I think he needs

456
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Speaker 5: to go somewhere else because the only thoughts that people

457
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Speaker 5: around here have is he's he's played fifteen games in

458
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Speaker 5: three years and he tapped out of a game and

459
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Speaker 5: was bench twice. Uh for not approaching is his craft properly?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Those are tough things to overcome. And hey, if he

462
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Speaker 5: goes somewhere else and has a great career, good for him.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think that has a chance here. I

464
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Speaker 5: really don't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So along those lines, Mike Chapels, my guest CBS four,

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Speaker 1: WXA and Fox fifty nine, longtime Colts beat writer. Of

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Speaker 1: course he's on the Java House Colebrew coffee guest line.

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Speaker 1: Chap Let's go back to, you know, the situation with

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Speaker 1: like at quarterback. Okay, and I think we know where

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Speaker 1: they're going there. But is there a position that as

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Speaker 1: the combine is now here that Chris Ballard may be

472
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Speaker 1: looking at because it is an area that he knows

473
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Speaker 1: he's going to have to find replacement that would surprise us?

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Speaker 1: In other words, can you give me two or three

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Speaker 1: players or positions that we feel like are a solidarity

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Speaker 1: for the Colts, but they may make a change and

477
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Speaker 1: there might be a player that is not on the

478
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Speaker 1: roster next year that surprises is not on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that jumps out of you, Oh.

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Speaker 5: The linebacker, I mean it's the we're in the season

481
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Speaker 5: now where it's pylon Zaire Franklin, he counts I think

482
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Speaker 5: it's eight million against the cap, and I think he

483
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Speaker 5: can save I don't know, five or six. I haven't got.

484
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Speaker 5: These are approximate numbers. And he had a socio season

485
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Speaker 5: last year, and they so devalued the position with the

486
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Speaker 5: way they approached it. I can see them doing something there.

487
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Speaker 5: But but and they need a safety. I don't know

488
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Speaker 5: if they resign Nick Cross, good really good player, but

489
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have money invested elsewhere. I think as far

490
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Speaker 5: as the combine goes, we're going to look at these guys,

491
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Speaker 5: and they always they always bring in an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 5: The offensive line is in pretty good shape. I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't know. If Braden Smith comes back, he's gonna

494
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Speaker 5: get too much on the market. But defensive line, Holy smokes,

495
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Speaker 5: they've got to redo the defensive line. So I can

496
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Speaker 5: see a couple picks, a couple high picks, you know,

497
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Speaker 5: without making a first round pick going towards the defensive line.

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Speaker 5: They've got three or four strong top end players are

499
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Speaker 5: going to be free agents that probably won't be back,

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Speaker 5: so they Chris Baller always tells us that he'll never

501
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Speaker 5: ignore defensive line, offensive line, and I see that being

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Speaker 5: the case. One thing that we need to keep an

503
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Speaker 5: eye on though. As far as the draft is, if

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Speaker 5: they maybe we've talked about this, but if they part

505
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Speaker 5: ways with Michael Pittman, he's twenty nine meal, like I said,

506
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Speaker 5: and you can save a boat road against the cap.

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Speaker 5: In my mind, you better find you better have somebody

508
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Speaker 5: in mind to step in and replace his void. I

509
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Speaker 5: think it would be counterproductive to re sign heavily in

510
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Speaker 5: Alec Pierce with the expectations of him now being your one.

511
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Speaker 5: I just don't think that's what he is. What he

512
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Speaker 5: does is exceptional. So you need to have somebody that

513
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Speaker 5: you need that third guy to go along with Josh

514
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Speaker 5: Stowns and Alec Pierce, whether that's going to and again

515
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Speaker 5: they've had good luck in the second round, third reround

516
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Speaker 5: of the draft with receivers.

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Speaker 3: But it's got to be a big target, right you

518
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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Could could Tyler?

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Speaker 1: I know it's a different position, but if you look

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Speaker 1: at let's say that you got Downs doing his thing right,

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Speaker 1: being that floating of me by that like just your

522
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Speaker 1: in space guy, and you've got Piers that can be

523
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Speaker 1: a bubblescreen guy and a deep threat guy. And that's

524
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Speaker 1: what makes Peers survaluable is he can kind of be anywhere, right?

525
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Speaker 1: Could you actually put Tyler Warren in positions where he

526
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Speaker 1: becomes your big target over the middle Pittman, bailout guy

527
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Speaker 1: and get away with it there a little bit, I guess.

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Speaker 5: But but then then you've you've weakened the tight end area.

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Speaker 5: I guess because Tyler Warren's a tight end, he's his

530
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Speaker 5: value is moving all around different spots inside outside backfields.

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Speaker 5: I think it would it would be it would be

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Speaker 5: wrong to structure your offense to where, well, we got

533
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Speaker 5: Tyler warrens whn let Pittman go. I think then that

534
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Speaker 5: weekened the receiver room and it's asking maybe Tyler Warren

535
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Speaker 5: to do more than than what he's best at. So

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Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying. And that's and we saw

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Speaker 5: a lot of other guys productions go down last year

538
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Speaker 5: because of because of Tyler Warren. Josh Downs was the

539
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Speaker 5: main one. His production really went down because Tyler Warren

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Speaker 5: did a lot of that, and everybody's production went down

541
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Speaker 5: after Danger Jones went down. But I would not be

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Speaker 5: in favor of doing that. I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: but I if I'm Reggie Wayne and he grudgingly says, yeah,

544
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Speaker 5: I go ahead, and you're in a pit. But then

545
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Speaker 5: he says, but then, but then, what are you giving

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Speaker 5: me back?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 5: What what's my trade off, whether it's a high draft pick,

549
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Speaker 5: whether it's that that that midline veteran guy that's going

550
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Speaker 5: to get you sixty catches. And we know how bad

551
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Speaker 5: they've been at getting receivers in free agency. Remember I

552
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Speaker 5: still say the best one they've ever signed was Donnie

553
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Speaker 5: Avery back in twenty twelve. So it's not hard, it's

554
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 5: not easy to do. That's why these next several weeks

555
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: are gonna be really interesting. And maybe they keep it,

556
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Speaker 5: maybe maybe they restructure Pitt and extend him a little bit.

557
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Speaker 5: It's always the problem is your freshest memories are the

558
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Speaker 5: ones that are the strongest. And people remember the last

559
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Speaker 5: I don't know, six weeks of the season, Pitt didn't

560
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Speaker 5: do very much and even admitted that, well there were reasons.

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Speaker 2: There were reasons for that.

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Speaker 5: So he's been he's one of those guys that's so

563
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Speaker 5: easy to say, get rid of him, and yeah, the

564
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Speaker 5: savings immens. But you know, as I always say, it's

565
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 5: easy to cut guys, and it's hard to replace guys.

566
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Speaker 5: But we'll know in the next couple of weeks what

567
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Speaker 5: they're doing with all these guys. Hitt and Zaire Franklin

568
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Speaker 5: probably the two most interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: Did they see enough out of Jalen Travis to make

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Speaker 1: Braden Smith expendable?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think so, And if not, then then they pushed

573
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Speaker 5: Megganzovez the right tackle.

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Speaker 1: Or do they have Are there other positions where you

575
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Speaker 1: look at Chap a guy and say, you know, he

576
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Speaker 1: hasn't gotten like full reps, but when his number has

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Speaker 1: been called, he's been good and therefore there is a

578
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Speaker 1: cost cutting possibility above him if you slide him up

579
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Speaker 1: and promote him. Anybody else jump out at you as

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Speaker 1: a guy that fits into that category.

581
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Speaker 5: No, because you know, I say, well at cornerback again,

582
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Speaker 5: you don't know what Mooney Ward is going to do.

583
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Speaker 5: Stephen Holder posted that he's had some interaction with somebody

584
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Speaker 5: that now Mooney Wards maybe leaning towards coming back that

585
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 5: that may be strong. But you know, I sort of

586
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Speaker 5: expected him to retire, but maybe he doesn't. And he's

587
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Speaker 5: a he's a dark good corner. But Jalen Jones, holy smokes,

588
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Speaker 5: this guy started like was it twenty seven games over

589
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Speaker 5: two years since first year's NAT they only played him

590
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Speaker 5: when they had to. Last year was it was crazy

591
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Speaker 5: how how much they didn't care for Jalen Jones, a

592
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Speaker 5: young corner. But as far but as far as the

593
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Speaker 5: offensive line, if that's what you're talking about, is is

594
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Speaker 5: you've drafted Bortolini, is your center. You drafted Gonzalvez. I

595
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Speaker 5: thought initially to be your right tackle once Brayden Smith's done,

596
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Speaker 5: but then you put him at right guard and he

597
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: played okay, and Jalen Travis played okay at right tackle.

598
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Speaker 5: So I think the right side is still in flux

599
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Speaker 5: on what they do at right tackle. And that's what

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Speaker 5: the off season approved. And you've got is it Tucker

601
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Speaker 5: the undirected free agent at guard. But they're they're gonna

602
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Speaker 5: out there. They're gonna draft an offensive lineman and fourth

603
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Speaker 5: round and fifth rand because that's what you do. You

604
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: just always have to have guys in the pipeline. But

605
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: there's two or three positions they really need to address.

606
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Speaker 5: Defensive line linebacker. I mean they could go into the

607
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Speaker 5: seat into in three weeks to have hardly any linebackers

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Speaker 5: with experience under contract.

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Speaker 2: So that's a major.

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Speaker 5: Position to deal with, although again I thought they devalued

611
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Speaker 5: the position last year to where they usually played with

612
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Speaker 5: two they rarely played with three linebreckers on the field.

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Speaker 1: So well, they thought what they do on the defensive side,

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Speaker 1: Chap when you're talking about corner, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: you on you know, Shabarius Ward, Mooney Ward, when you

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Speaker 1: look at the number of concussions, it would be totally

617
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Speaker 1: understandable and I would respect it if he decides that

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Speaker 1: for any player, any player that decides that their bodi's

619
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Speaker 1: had enough, I get it. But a guy that Eddie

620
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Speaker 1: just pointed out that we had forgotten, not forgotten about

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Speaker 1: that we haven't mentioned. They really liked what they saw

622
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Speaker 1: out of Justin Wall I believe out of Minnesota their

623
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Speaker 1: draft pick at the corner before he went down, he's

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Speaker 1: somebody also maybe not comes in as a starter, but

625
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Speaker 1: assuming he's able to come back from injury, he's going

626
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Speaker 1: to give them nice depth in their defensive backfield right well,

627
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Speaker 1: no question, and when he.

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Speaker 5: Went down they saw him as a starter. This was

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Speaker 5: obviously pretty sauce Gardner and they give every indication that

630
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Speaker 5: he was going to be a starter along with Ward.

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Speaker 5: So no and you got Hunter Waller, who I think

632
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Speaker 5: he was a foot injury. I think it was I

633
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: get these injuries mixed up during the off season. But

634
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Speaker 5: he's that guy that Is he a safety? Is he

635
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 5: a box safety? Could he play linebacker?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. So they've got options.

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Speaker 5: They've got options, but I would like something a little

638
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: bit more because you getting these guys are coming off injury.

639
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: You just don't know what they're going to do. And

640
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Speaker 5: we've had guys, we the Cults have had guys that

641
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: have had injury problems and they've never gotten past them.

642
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: So that that's what you had. That always gives me

643
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 5: a little bit of a pause when, well, this guy,

644
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: Daniel Scott, God bless you, was that they really like

645
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 5: him and he can't stay healthy. So I go back

646
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: to the in the days with Peyton with g Green.

647
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: They loved him as a receiver and he could not

648
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Speaker 5: stay healthy. So a lot of moving parts. We'll try

649
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Speaker 5: to We might get some answers tomorrow. I don't think

650
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Speaker 5: we will, uh, because Chris doesn't talk a lot about

651
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Speaker 5: talk a lot. He hardly talks about negotiations. He'll talk

652
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Speaker 5: about the importance of getting these of what are the

653
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Speaker 5: importance these.

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Speaker 2: Guys have at the team.

655
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Speaker 5: But when he came out during his January talk with

656
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: us and he prioritized Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce, he did.

657
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 5: And when you're that strong and you look at okay,

658
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: let's say you don't. You don't get Jones done, You're

659
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: playing b is what You're gonna give Anthony Rigson one

660
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 5: more chance? I don't think that's possible, yeap.

661
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Somebody just asked me this, and I know Braiden For

662
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: clarity here, Braiden Smith, the offensive lineman, is a free

663
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: his contract's up, so they'd have to resign it. But

664
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Speaker 1: to give perspective of like if they were to do

665
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Speaker 1: and I know in the this is more an NBA thing,

666
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: but if they were to do a sign in trade

667
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: to get and somebody asked me this, text me this question,

668
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Speaker 1: So I'll ask you to give perspective on Anthony Richardson's

669
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: market value. If they were to sign and then trade

670
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith, what would Braiden Smith get in return?

671
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Speaker 5: I don't know how that would works in the NFL,

672
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 5: because when you sign somebody, you're taking on money.

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that

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Speaker 1: let's say that they were going to trade him if

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Speaker 1: he was still in a contract.

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Speaker 5: He's projected to get like seventeen million dollars on the

677
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: market as a free agent, and you can't trade him.

678
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 5: Right as you're arguing because he's not under contract, I

679
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: don't know how you would sign a player.

680
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: And then, but what I'm saying is for the sake

681
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: of the discussion, just if we're giving you know, Braden

682
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: Smith has been a solid player that's played for you know,

683
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Speaker 1: I know he's had injury whatever, So probably a four. Okay,

684
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Speaker 1: so a little bit below. All right, last question combine underway,

685
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Speaker 1: your favorite or least favorite thing about the NFL combine

686
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: and what this year's storyline is because it feels void

687
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: of major storylines.

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00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 5: Go, yeah, the Colts will have a first round pick,

689
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: So who do we focus on? You focus on positions?

690
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 5: That's what I'm not crazy about. And then and then

691
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: they're not going to listen to me because they don't.

692
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: But having player interviews at eight o'clock, and Kevin Bowen

693
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: will tell you this, having player interviews at eight o'clock

694
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: in the morning should be prohibited because some of us

695
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 5: don't get up that early.

696
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

697
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 5: And Kevin whenever he wants to have me on the show,

698
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 5: I said, you mean I got to set.

699
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: My alarm thirty minutes before my bedtime.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, in like two years ago, we had Marvin

701
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: Harrison schedule like eight o'clock in the morning, So I

702
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: have set the alarm for six. Get down, Tan, and

703
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: this is all about me, you understand it, of course.

704
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 5: And then he shines us he's come on, he's left town.

705
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 5: So we're standing there with our notepads or microphones with

706
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 5: tape corders and no Marvin so that but uh, it's no,

707
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: it works. I like it here. I don't go down

708
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: as much as much as I used to. I used

709
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: to be down there all the time, and now I've

710
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 5: learned that I don't need to be.

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: You pick out things.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to talking to Mendoza and some of

713
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 5: the eye you guys.

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00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 5: Just I want to find out what Mendoza thing's about

716
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: going number one overall through a crappy organization, because that's

717
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: what's going to happen, and we've seen how how bad

718
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: that can go for players. I I you know, I

719
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: still get David Carr in my mind. The way Houston

720
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: destroyed the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing I'll say though, for Mendoza Chap,

722
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Speaker 1: He's going to a place that has a solid tight

723
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: end and a solid.

724
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: Running running back. I understand it, you know what I mean,

725
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: but their.

726
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: Line, but their line sucks. So that's the people point

727
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: out that he had.

728
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 5: Dan. I was on Dan with Jeremiina's conference called you

729
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 5: the Day. He's a great guy to talk to the NFL,

730
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: and he kept pointing out his toughness and he got

731
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 5: remembered those hits he took early against Miami.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen his his signature drive of his career at

734
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: Indiana though, which was one year I realized. His signature

735
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: drive against Penn State started by him getting absolutely blasted

736
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Speaker 1: and his signature win in the Big Ten title game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously signature winning be the Miami game, but Miami, Okay,

738
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Speaker 1: Miami game. He scores the game winning touchdown or the

739
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Speaker 1: game ceiling touchdown by knocking over the player that had

740
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: knocked him out or you know, hit him hard when

741
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: he was at Cal. His the the Big Ten Championship game,

742
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Speaker 1: he starts out by getting blasted, having to go to

743
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Speaker 1: the sidelines, then comes back and the Ohio State game,

744
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: he gets sacked and comes down and leads a game

745
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Speaker 1: winning drive.

746
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Speaker 3: So I get the toughness aspect.

747
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: I tell you.

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00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 5: One of the things that's I kept. I still got

749
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 5: a video on my phone of Andrew Luk's rookie year

750
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: when they're playing Green Bay. You know, the shuts out

751
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: with Luke came in, Bruce's in there and has Reggie's

752
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 5: career game, and early in the game, a guy from

753
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: from from the right side of protection comes in clean

754
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: might have been a linebacker, Nick Barnett or somebody, and

755
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 5: they absolutely destroy Andrew Luck and I'm thinking he may

756
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 5: be done. Of course he just pops up. But that's Luck,

757
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: you know. That's that's the toughness you're talking about. But

758
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: you know, I just don't want to see my quarterback

759
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: proof like Jackson Dart with Giants. Okay, you don't have

760
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 5: you don't have to prove to me that you're a

761
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 5: tough guy, because the defense is going to win more

762
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: times than they lose. But no, it's they talk poise

763
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 5: and toughness and he just makes plays. So I hope

764
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Speaker 5: he succeeds there. And he had a great supporting task

765
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: and he's gonna go if he goes to the Raiders.

766
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: He's got the tight end, he's got the running back,

767
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 5: no question. Uh well, if you can't protect the guy,

768
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Speaker 5: it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel will be up bright and early for every

770
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Speaker 1: day of the combine at seven point thirty waiting outside,

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Speaker 1: first one to get in. And Mendoza will speak at

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Friday. The Colts Brass will speak tomorrow.

773
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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel will have it all covered CBS four WXA

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Speaker 1: N five.

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Speaker 5: Some of what you just said was a low You

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Speaker 5: realize that.

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Speaker 3: We'll let people figure out which part of it is there.

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Speaker 1: You go, all right, chap appreciate it, right, Mike Chapel

779
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House.

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Speaker 3: Colt by the way, cold brew.

781
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Like, that's the process by which the coffee has made,

782
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: which is what makes it so smooth. Is this what

783
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: we've decided? This is Brian Nubert's theme song. Correct, haven't

784
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: we done this?

785
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: We have done this song before.

786
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. He's a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: Right when I think Brian Nubert, you know, I they

788
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: got that bourbon and bear bourbon and beyond bourbon and

789
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: beyond music festival in Louisville. It's like one hundred and

790
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: ninety five bands.

791
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Have you seen that? I haven't seen him.

792
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Bodies one of the days. I think food Fighters are

793
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: one of the days. Cracker, who's kind of underrated, is

794
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: one of the days. I think I'd like to go

795
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: with Newberg, just because I'll bet that guy is basically

796
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: rocks out right. Ryan Nuberg joins us now and I'm

797
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: sure thrilled to be doing so. On the Java House

798
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Coldbrew Coffee guest line. Uh, Brian, are you a?

799
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Are you A?

800
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Go to the concert stand in the front, throw your

801
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: cup of yearine through the crowd like you're at an

802
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: oasis moshpit kind of guy, I'm not very fun.

803
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: I just kind of watch. But I have to say

804
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: that I am. I've worked all these years to get

805
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: the music and I could not. I could not. I

806
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: feel so validated right now that I finally have the music,

807
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: and that is It's Jeffer. Some starship only adds to

808
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: the pride I feel in myself right now. So thank you, Jiz.

809
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: We do, we can, and I do all of this

810
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: even and I hate to admit this. I hate to

811
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: admit this.

812
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: You know when somebody will say to you like, hey,

813
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: have you ever like people will say to me, you know,

814
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: you remind me of so and so, and they'll mention

815
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: some actor or something, and I'm like, no, that, Like

816
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: my dad told me as a young kid, you know,

817
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: before you tell someone they look like someone, make sure

818
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: that it's someone that like it. You know, you wouldn't

819
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: go up to somebody and says anyway, I've told you

820
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: look like Shrek. You know you wouldn't say that to somebody, right, So,

821
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: But but and I don't And listen, Brian, my own

822
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: confession here, I'm not hip enough to even know who

823
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: the comedian was that was at the Pacer game the

824
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: other night. But the Pacers posted that there was a

825
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: celebrity there and you quote tweeted it saying or inferring

826
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: that it looked kind of like me. And then I

827
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: looked at it, and I'm like, I hate to admit this.

828
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: You might be right on this one, right.

829
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Speaker 2: It's a compliment. That guy's a very handsome man at

830
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: the yestermate and very very funny, so that that was

831
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: not meant as a like, hey man, you look like

832
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: Saddam Hussein or something like that.

833
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time they found him too right, which

834
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: is even worse. Okay, Brian, let's get to well, thank

835
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Speaker 1: you for the compliment. By the way, that's why, that's

836
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Speaker 1: why you have theme music. What did we learn, if anything,

837
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: from Purdue on Saturday? What were they able to do

838
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: that had eluded them in other games, notably, say the

839
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Speaker 1: Michigan game Friday.

840
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: I said Saturday, Friday, Friday late. Well, it ended around Saturday,

841
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: so you're not wrong. It was an eight o'clock game.

842
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think what was underscored more so than learned,

843
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: was that hey, Purdue is still pretty good, you know,

844
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: and I think Michigan, you know, is a super team.

845
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: And I think they came in and looked like a

846
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: super team. And I think that, you know, Purdue its

847
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: reality has been more along the lines of what it

848
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: did at Maryland, what it did at Iowa, what it

849
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: did you know at Nebraska, and then what it did

850
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: at Indiana versus what happened against Michigan. So I think

851
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: we just kind of it was just kind of validated

852
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: that hey, produce still pretty good here, and don't forget

853
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: about them. I know they're out of the Big ten

854
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: race more or less or they are absolutely out of

855
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: the Big Ten race, and that's obviously disappointing for Purdue,

856
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: and you know, that was one of their goals that

857
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: constitutes you know, failure, so to speak. But I think

858
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: they're still pretty good and I think they kind of

859
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: flexed all their muscles against Indiana. What it really did, too,

860
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: was just sort of also underscore the the maddening circumstances

861
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: of that first IU game, Like it just didn't make

862
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: any sense that they wouldn't, you know, have brought their

863
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: best in that game, and they just kind of went

864
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: into a coma there and in the middle of the

865
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: first half, and it really was kind of inexplicable, and

866
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: that that's that. And I guess the final few minutes

867
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Speaker 2: of the UCLA game are a couple of the moments

868
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: that are you know, produce really going to kind of

869
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: rue when all of a sudden done here After this season,

870
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: I'd imagine, did.

871
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: You ever, Brian?

872
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I think you and I have discussed this, and if

873
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: I've asked you this fifty times, I apologize.

874
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: Have you seen the TV show The Wire?

875
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: I have? I'm good. Actually, halfway through season four, on

876
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: my probably fifth start to finish rewatch.

877
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it is amazing. One of the things

878
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: about The Wire.

879
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: That it was probably my second go round where it

880
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: really clicked for me on this and for those unfamiliar

881
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: with it, The Wire, which was on HBO fabulous show,

882
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: but it profiles the gang life, amongst other things in Baltimore,

883
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: and it also profiles some of the kids in the

884
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: public school in Baltimore and Brian When you watch it,

885
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: you realize that each of the adult characters that you

886
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: see there is the waiting in the wings. They're showing

887
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: you the these kids that are fifth and sixth grade boys,

888
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: and you realize that they are going to grow into

889
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: the next version, the next generation of the adult characters

890
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: that you're seeing.

891
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: Right.

892
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a bad approach for me to make the

893
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: comparison with Purdue, but one of the things about Perdue

894
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: basketball that has always impressed me is that they have

895
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: continuity of roster where you can see players being groomed

896
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: that they're going to be the immediate next in line

897
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: for those that are on their way out. And I

898
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: thought we saw that to a very good level on

899
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Friday Night with Mayor finally showing that he is ready

900
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: to step in once Braden Smith passes that torch to him,

901
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: and I thought that was the best that we have

902
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: seen him play.

903
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?

904
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's shown flashes all year long. He

905
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: just doesn't get much of an opportunity to expand those

906
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: flashes because they need Braden Smith in the game. He's

907
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: done a really good job playing next to Braden Smith

908
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: all year long. I think he's played a variety of

909
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: roles for Purdue. I think he's gotten much better defensively

910
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: than he was when he first got to Purdue, and

911
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: I think expectations were pretty modest for him defensively, but

912
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: he's really held his own defensively. I think his size

913
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: and strength show up at the defensive end of the floor.

914
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: I think he's got as an offensive player, He's got

915
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: a lot of what Braden Smith's got, except he's six

916
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: foot four, two hundred some pounds. Next year, Purdue's going

917
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: to give him the ball and he's going to become

918
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: a star. And I think you saw now, obviously the

919
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: game was decided by the time that Omer Mired generated

920
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: a lot of his productivity, but you saw the skill

921
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: set and you saw what he can do with the

922
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: ball in his hands and when he kind of has

923
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: free reign to kind of do his thing. And I

924
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: think that that's what you're going to see from Purdue

925
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: next year. And you know, for for a decade plus now,

926
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: people have been saying, oh, you know, Purdue's going to

927
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: fall off the map as soon as so and so's gone,

928
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: or so and so's gone, or so and so's gone,

929
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: and yet some other so and so keeps descending, Right,

930
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: I think next year, when you look at produced roster

931
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: on paper, assuming everyone's back, which is you know, the

932
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: qualifier we have to throw out with every team every year.

933
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: Now you're looking at guys like Omer Meyer, Daniel Jacobson,

934
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: guys who stand to make pretty big jumps from this

935
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: year to next. Jakari Harris, C. J.

936
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: Cox.

937
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: Ptty's gonna have a good team again next year. I

938
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: think got Kayden Pierce out of the portal ready filling

939
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: the big knee. Jack Benner is gonna be a really

940
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: good player at Perdue. And I think Purdy's going to

941
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: have a really good team again next year, provided all

942
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: all of these assets remain. And I don't know if

943
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: they're gonna have like the first team All American they've

944
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: had every year coming into the season like they have

945
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: with Braden Smith and Caleb Swanigan and on and on,

946
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: Jade and Ivy Carson Edwards, et cetera, et cetera. But

947
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have a really good team.

948
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: Do you see Meyer as a pure point or can

949
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: he play it?

950
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: The thing about him to me that's intriguing And I'm

951
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: going on much smaller of seeing him play than you,

952
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: Brian Brian Nuber, by the way, Golden Black is our guest.

953
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Can can he play a couple of different roles? In

954
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: other words, can he situationally fill void of both Smith

955
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: and lawyer? Or am I giving his outside shooting too

956
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: much credit?

957
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: I think he came to Purdue and I think people

958
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: I think one of the questions was how is he

959
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: going to handle shooting the ball? He's always had the

960
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: ball in his hands, so playing mister Braiden Smith, he's

961
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: had to acclimate the being more of an off the ball,

962
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: catch and shoot sort of guy. And he's shooting forty

963
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: plus percent. So it's been a strength, not just it

964
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: hasn't been a question. It's been a strength. I think

965
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: next year he's going to have opportunities to create for himself,

966
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: he's going to have opportunities to create for everybody else.

967
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: And what he's shown this year when he comes in

968
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: and basically does what Fletcher Lawyer does next to Braden Smith,

969
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: you can put Luke Gurdle out there next year at

970
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: point guard. You can move him off the ball if

971
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: need be. That said, you've got Jakari Harris, You've got

972
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: Antoine West coming out of redshirt, got CJ. Cox, So

973
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: you've got a pretty stock backcourt. So I don't know

974
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: if you necessarily need one guy to play a bunch

975
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: of different roles like you have this year to a

976
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: certain extent, but I think that he can do a

977
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: lot of different things, and I think it's one of

978
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: those deals where Purdue's going to want to put him

979
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: in positions to score. And you know, Purdue uses Braden

980
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: Smith a lot off the ball. They have c. J.

981
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Cox or Jakari Harris or whoever it might be, bring

982
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: the ball up and they start Braiden Smith off the

983
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 2: ball a to take a little bit of wear and

984
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: tear off him. But also because he's so good sprinting

985
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: in the actions that they can do that sort of

986
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: thing with olmer Meyer too. Next year too, So I

987
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: would imagine he will basically be produced primary ball handler,

988
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: but I think they can probably do a lot of

989
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: different stuff with him, and probably will.

990
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: Brian, when you look at that game, Brian Nibbertt is

991
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: my guest. He's on the job of house coldbrew coffee

992
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: guest line.

993
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Was that just the.

994
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: Medicine that Purdue needed? And I don't mean getting a

995
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: win and a win over your rival, but to have

996
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: one of those games where just and I think about

997
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: that Meyer stretch where all of a sudden, you know,

998
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: they had that one play, they get a rebound, they

999
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: come down, they kick it back out, he pulls up

1000
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: from you know, ten feet behind the line. Just everything

1001
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: went their way, you know, and the crowd's going crazy.

1002
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Is that the medicine Purdue needed to just kind of

1003
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: get out of it? And it sounds crazy to say

1004
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: they're funk because they're obviously still a top three seed,

1005
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: But did that.

1006
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: Redirect them a little bit?

1007
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: I think it was probably cathartic. I think Perdue would

1008
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: tell you, hey, we're still pretty good. You know, we've

1009
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: won five or six other than the Michigan game, and

1010
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. Whatever the number actually is,

1011
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: but Perdue would look pretty good in the games around Michigan.

1012
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: It just got put in its place by a super team.

1013
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: And you know, for Purdue to have lost three home

1014
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: games this year, that's kind of jarring. And I think

1015
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: it was probably I keep using more cathartic, but it

1016
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: probably felt good to have one of those mac Arena

1017
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: moments again where you just blit somebody on your home

1018
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: floor and that it was Indiana. I don't know how

1019
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: big a deal that is anymore, but that Purdue you know,

1020
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: had with the senior class, had kind of, you know,

1021
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: been pretty average against IU in its career. You know,

1022
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: they had to win this game.

1023
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Now, hang on to elaborate on when you say you

1024
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: don't know how much a big how big a deal

1025
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: that is anymore, Well, Produce got guys.

1026
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: Who grew up in Indiana who actually, you know, this

1027
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: was important to them. Indiana's got a lot of guys

1028
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: who just came out of the portal and this is

1029
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: not really something they probably look forward to their whole lives.

1030
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I mean by that it's

1031
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: going to be a different IU team every year. That's

1032
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 2: what they were doing before the coaching change and that's

1033
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: what they're going to be doing after the coaching change,

1034
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: because they're going to recruit nationally. They're going to recruit

1035
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 2: a lot in the portal. Once you have a coaching change,

1036
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: you have to fill a roster, and you fill a

1037
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: roster with one and two year guys, and when those

1038
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: guys leave, you know you aren't going to sit here

1039
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: and hey, let's recruit ten high school guys and just

1040
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: bring them up and have a rebuilding gear every now

1041
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: and then. You can't really do that in college basketball

1042
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: and more. That's how Purdue is doing it. But I

1043
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: don't know if places like Indiana are going to do that.

1044
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: They're going to bring in a lot of guys from

1045
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: national places, So I don't know if the built in

1046
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: investment isn't necessarily there on their end of it. That's

1047
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: not right or wrong, but I just think it's the

1048
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: way it is, and it kind of makes me wonder,

1049
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: if you know, Purdue, with these seniors, has had the

1050
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: burden of the rivalry in their career, whereas Indiana can

1051
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: just kind of go out and play. And I sort

1052
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: of wonder if maybe that's part of the reason why

1053
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 2: Purdue has not played well in Bloomington with these guys,

1054
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: and you know, Purdue had to win that game in

1055
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: mac Arena did the night just to finish five hundred

1056
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: in these seniors career against Indiana when Purdue has been

1057
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: the marketly better team all of those years basically, So

1058
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: that was probably part of the catharsist I keep referring

1059
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: to about Purdy winning that game the way they did

1060
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: it on Friday night. Because at Purdue how you play

1061
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: against Indiana and at Indiana how you play against Perdue.

1062
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 2: That's part of legacy with seniors. And you know, Purdue's

1063
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: was a little bit complicated there and uh still finishing

1064
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: five hundred, It's still probably a little bit unfulfilling given

1065
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: the golf and the rivalry here the last couple of years,

1066
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: but pretty needed that one bad. You know, four and

1067
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: four is a lot better than you know, whatever it

1068
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: would have been otherwise three and whatever. I can't think

1069
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: off the top of my head.

1070
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Real quick, Brian, when you look at this year in

1071
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament, and I realize you probably haven't said,

1072
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're focused on Purdue. I get it, But

1073
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: just from a glance over or a bird's eye view

1074
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: of college basketball. Off the top of your head, just

1075
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: shoot me a number. How many teams do you think

1076
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: there are that realistically it would not surprise you if

1077
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: they win.

1078
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 3: The national championship in the Big ten No in the country? Uh,

1079
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 3: can we go tend to to Well.

1080
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: Duke, Arizona, Houston, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa State, Iowa State. I

1081
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: think they're in there. It's such a randomized event, you know,

1082
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: it's just who gets hot at the right time. And

1083
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, had Purdue Purdue made the final four, as

1084
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 2: you're aware a couple of years ago, and I thought

1085
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: had had NC State beaten Purdue somehow, I thought that

1086
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: would have completely invalidated the title because Yukon and Perdue

1087
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: were the best two teams all year long. NC State

1088
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: just gets on this random heater and they're in the

1089
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: final four. Now, I understand that's the nature of single

1090
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: elimination play, but at the same time, championship events, in

1091
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: my opinion, should reflect the entire season in some capacity.

1092
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: And that was it was justice all told that it

1093
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: was Purdue in Yukon because they were the two best

1094
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: teams in the country, but that Fluke almost snuck in there,

1095
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: and that was a Fluke se State was about the

1096
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: fire its coach. They just randomly got hot, ran through

1097
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of teams one way or another. You look

1098
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: at the national title of Virginia one. Virginia was the

1099
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: best team in the country probably, but look at all

1100
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: the circumstances that had to go right for them to

1101
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: do that. It was it.

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: Defied logic. They had to claw back just to be

1103
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: Gardner Webb in round one, right, Yeah.

1104
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: In some cases it defied physics, considering the way they

1105
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: beat Purdue. So it's just so much luck is involved.

1106
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: The three pointer, obviously, is the great equalizer in college basketball.

1107
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: Somebody could have a horrible shooting game, somebody could have

1108
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: an unbelievable shooting game, and suddenly the best team in

1109
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: the country is down two with five minutes to go

1110
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: against somebody they should beat, and you never know how

1111
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna end from there. So I just think it's

1112
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: such a randomized event. It's almost in some cases it's

1113
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: almost an invalid championship. But I don't think that's going

1114
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: to be the case this year. I think there's a

1115
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: bunch of really good teams who can who can be

1116
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: really good. But I think it's probably a double digit

1117
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: number in terms of who can win it this year.

1118
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: It just seems like a wide open field.

1119
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: Lastly, Brian, I wanted to give you the opportunity.

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00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, we.

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00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: I shared twice. I didn't know Rondell Moore. I interviewed

1122
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: him once when I was up there for football practice,

1123
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: when he was I believe, a sophomore. He was a

1124
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: really nice, soft spoken young man. Disingenuous for any of

1125
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: us to say when we cover athletes that we truly

1126
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: get to know who they are or the essence of them.

1127
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: But you know, I know what.

1128
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: A terrible loss that is, not just for the game

1129
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: of football and Southern Indiana and the city of Louisville

1130
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: and New Albany, but also the Purdue family in general.

1131
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: And wanted to give you the opportunity to just reflect

1132
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: on Rondell Moore's impact on Purdue football and you know

1133
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: his legacy if you will for Purdue.

1134
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you said, I didn't know him really. Obviously,

1135
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: the nature of college football nowadays is the media has

1136
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: kind of kept at arm's length. I also wasn't our

1137
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: day to day football person. I covered his recruitment. I

1138
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: talked to him a handful of times. I dealt with

1139
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: him a little bit. I dealt with some of the

1140
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: people around him a little bit. Just an unbelievable athlete,

1141
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: like a once in a lifetime kind of athlete, one

1142
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: of those guys who you know, greatness was kind of

1143
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: like his only outcome and one of those athletes that

1144
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of kind of pushes the imagination more than it

1145
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: does interest and just somebody who kind of made us

1146
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: rethink what possible means, you know, from a strength and

1147
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: speed perspective and his ability to make certain plays. But

1148
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: you don't really think about the football part of it

1149
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: at times like this. It's about the people. It's about

1150
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: the people around them. It's about his family, it's about

1151
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: his friends, it's about you know, Jeff Brohm who recruited

1152
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: him and was really close with him, JaMarcus Sheppard, people

1153
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: like that. But at Purdue, in terms of his his

1154
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: his career Purdue, you know, it was he carried a weight.

1155
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: I mean, all of these a lot of these guys

1156
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: come to college now and it's he's coming here to

1157
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: go to the NFL, He's coming here to go to

1158
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: the NBA, and it's like their singular focus. And when

1159
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: he got to the NFL. Unfortunately, uh, you know, sports

1160
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: are cruel, and he suffered a couple of injuries here.

1161
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: I can't speculate on you know, what led to what

1162
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: is suspected that have happened happening, But just a guy

1163
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: who worked his whole life and worked harder than anyone

1164
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: did well in school when he you know, probably, let's

1165
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: be honest, didn't have to considering his talent, seemed to

1166
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: be good to people, seem to be respectful of people.

1167
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: He works his whole life to get to the NFL,

1168
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: and he gets hurt very seriously twice, and it just

1169
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, when dreams died, they've become nightmares, right, and

1170
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: that that's only assuming he was sort of on the cusp,

1171
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: But that sort of emptiness, that sort of feeling, it's just,

1172
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, people got to know that there's people there

1173
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: for him, and we got to check on each other,

1174
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: and you know, we're all missed together, and you just

1175
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: wish that when situations like this happen, you wish the

1176
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: reaction could occur before the permanent decision is made, so

1177
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: that people know how they how people feel about them

1178
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: and things like that, and you know, it's not really

1179
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: a topic that I'm I'm all that comfortable talking about,

1180
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: but it is. It is a tragedy because there was

1181
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: a even without football, there was a place in the

1182
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: world Forno More. I mean there was. He was an

1183
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: intelligent kid, he worked hard, he seemed to have a

1184
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: personality and so far as I could tell, he had

1185
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: a big smile, he could engage with people. Based on

1186
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: what I could tell, you had a lot of people

1187
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: loved him, and there was a place in the world

1188
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: for Rondel More, whether without football. So it's just absolutely gutting,

1189
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean just gutting. Uh. You know, Prue, we'll remember

1190
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: him forever. Highlights live forever, and the way he captivated

1191
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: people's imagination, that lives forever. That's immortality and we should

1192
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: all be so lucky to it if we only get

1193
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: X number of years to have made that indelible impression

1194
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: on so many people. And you know, just thoughts with

1195
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: his family, thoughts with his coaches, thoughts with him, and uh,

1196
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: just a gutting, gutting deal.

1197
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: Brian appreciate it as always.

1198
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Purdue and Michigan State basketball wise eight o'clock coming up

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. All the coverage from Brian at Golden Black

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always, Brian, Thanks Jake, Great Brian

1201
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Speaker 1: Knub joining us on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee

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