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Speaker 1: let me know the other day that Joel A. Erickson

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Speaker 1: in the front yard, not because of the supply from

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Speaker 1: yet to get up from shoheatani, knocking them right into

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Speaker 1: an off season of irrelevance. But Joel does have cults

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Speaker 1: work to get to as well. What's that it hurts?

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, like I think I think does it?

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Speaker 2: I think it probably hurt worse if you're a Mariners fan,

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Speaker 2: because like the Brewers, they were just never in the series.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a FATA company by the time

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Speaker 1: he got to probably Game three, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, twenty eighteen, when they got to Game seven

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're a Mariners fan, you are saying to yourself,

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Speaker 1: this is disappointing. But the good news is this is

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Speaker 1: good for Jake Querry because he is a die hard,

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Speaker 1: two different Blue Jays hats for now going on eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: So that's good. Right.

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Speaker 2: It is a good hat. It's a great hat, like

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Speaker 2: the Blue Jay stuff is great.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I have a ninety three World Series

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Speaker 1: Blue Jay's hat that is fraying. Like literally when I'm

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Speaker 1: of me. Like every time that I wear it, you know,

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Speaker 1: like weird people come up to me because they're like, dude,

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Speaker 1: you got an aura coming off of you. But no,

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Speaker 1: that's actually just loose blue threads off the back of

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Speaker 1: my hat. Because it's thirty two years old. That shows,

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Speaker 1: does it not? That I am I am at the

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Speaker 1: very least a traditional bandwagoner, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely absolutely. Ninety three is the is the year

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Speaker 1: Bit, correct, Yeah, the most the most underrated, even though

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Speaker 1: he's a rated great player in sports history. Okay, Joe,

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Speaker 1: let's get to this from the Colt standpoint, I realize that,

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Speaker 1: for it right now. But I want to start with

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Speaker 1: ago on who might miss the game against Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: So Josh Downs is going to practice today. He's still

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Speaker 2: in the concussion protocol, but the fact that he's practicing

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday is generally a good sign. Now, you can

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Speaker 2: always have where they practice and then developed symptoms again

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Speaker 2: for Josh Downs to be practicing. On the defensive end front,

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Speaker 2: I would suggest that Sam Sebercom is probably not likely

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Speaker 2: And then the other the big one I think is

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what's interesting by the way, the

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Speaker 2: That's a good point, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: There are some There are some on ramps where your

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Speaker 2: Right. No, this is this is a really good point.

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Speaker 2: You're right, most most times you're hitting a ramp and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joela, have you started to discover yet the fact

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Speaker 1: I feel like Joel, okay, I want to ask you this,

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Speaker 2: That's a that's an interesting question. I I think I

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Speaker 2: think it probably has to write like if if somebody's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So in other words, you you have to

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, you got they got to

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Speaker 1: Joel, have you ever had? Joel A. Erickson is our

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Speaker 1: and poor guest line, have you ever had a dream

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Speaker 1: Or is this again my neuroticism?

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Speaker 2: The one the one I get even to this day,

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Speaker 2: The one I get even to this day.

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Speaker 1: I know it last day of school? You have?

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Speaker 1: Is that it No, it's it is high school.

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Speaker 2: But it's like I'm trying to get to football practice

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the one I have. Okay, So so my

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Speaker 1: And it's the opposite this year. Literally everything is going

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Speaker 1: every all of it is Shane steike In. Now are

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Speaker 2: I think it's the second one. I think it's the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So I think the biggest thing is just he has

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Speaker 2: see football, and that's why we're seeing the offense look

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Speaker 1: And Joel Joel a Erickson is our guest. If you've

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Speaker 1: got to run ahead in the locker room, you let

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Speaker 1: me know here, Okay, but I'm curious of this. In

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Speaker 2: I still think it's corner, and I know I know

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Speaker 2: at this offseason, everything Chris Balady has done to this point,

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Speaker 4: it can be done that he's going to have won

436
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Speaker 4: in a year or two after the first year, because

437
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 4: they've got experience with young drivers, with drivers which came

438
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Speaker 4: from AS three to F two. So if the people

439
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 4: listen to them and then they say, hey, Carlton, that

440
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 4: just doesn't adapt to this car, then maybe it's time

441
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 4: that he does something different. But they say Hey, he's

442
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 4: doing good. He just needs to have a year.

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Speaker 1: I think then he could watch which Indy car driver

444
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: to you seems to have the acumen that would most

445
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: immediately translate into Formula One.

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: I think Alex Plow he's special.

447
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: That guy is good.

448
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Speaker 4: I mean, in my opinion, that guy's very good.

449
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Speaker 1: The thing about Polo to me, you know, working on

450
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: the radio, networking, being around it and seeing practice qualifying.

451
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: You never know what goes on with any driver Gunter,

452
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: but he seems to have this very even keel where

453
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: very few things rattle him and very few things good

454
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Speaker 1: or bad. Right, he just seems to have a very

455
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: How rare is that in a driver? And how important

456
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: is that kind of even mental approach?

457
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Speaker 4: We started last and it's very important that he's in

458
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: a good space mentally, you know, so nothing can rattle him,

459
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Speaker 4: which is very good, good or bad. I just do

460
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Speaker 4: my job. I do it the best I can, you know,

461
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 4: and gone with it. But I think over the last years,

462
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 4: you know, he went through or he's still going through,

463
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 4: some obviously legal disputes about his career. I think he

464
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: learned a lot getting tough for but by doing this,

465
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Speaker 4: and it helped him to be this person which can

466
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 4: deal with all the pressures, you know, and that's very

467
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: important because if nothing rattens to you and you're confident,

468
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: that makes you a change and it's nothing differently formal

469
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: one with Max for Stutton, I would say he's very

470
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: similar in that appost with Alex Blow. You know, nothing

471
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 4: can up to him. You know, he has got an

472
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: opinion and he has got a When he had about race,

473
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 4: he said what he thinks and moves on to the

474
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 4: next one. But it's specs to square one. His calt

475
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Speaker 4: met everything, and I think Splow is the same.

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Speaker 1: Gueter Steiner again Unfiltered Live, November fourteenth, seven thirty clues

477
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Speaker 1: Memorial Hall. Tickets available at the Butler Arts Center. That's

478
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Speaker 1: Butler Artscenter dot org. Lastly, good term. I'm curious your

479
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Speaker 1: thought on this in your opinion, which is a bigger

480
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: jump I guess, or which is a bigger challenge for

481
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Speaker 1: someone to learn. Let's say somebody with an open wheel background,

482
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: like from an IndyCar, to learn the nuances of the

483
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Speaker 1: Formula one car, the you know, the standing starts, the

484
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: different things that go into it, or for a Formula

485
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Speaker 1: one driver to come over and learn and have to

486
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Speaker 1: acumen into the ovals that are present in IndyCar racing.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's about the same as I said at

488
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: the beginning. It's a different category and everybody needs to

489
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: learn how the car reacts, you know. I think in

490
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 4: a Formula one calve, the difficult is the technology. How

491
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 4: to use all the tools we call them, you know,

492
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: the electronics on the car, how to get the best

493
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: out of the downforce, you know what is important. But

494
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Speaker 4: for me, for an F one driver coming to an

495
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: oval to it's also a mantaed challenge to be disclosed

496
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Speaker 4: to walls. You know, you need to get used to it.

497
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 4: You're not used it to that in F one and

498
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: you cannot say I do one race and I get

499
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Speaker 4: used to it. It takes some time. I think it's

500
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 4: it's exactly the same thing from F one to move

501
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: to India. From India to one, it's a learning curve.

502
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Speaker 4: And even as I said, if Maxo Stuffing comes to

503
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Speaker 4: an oval to do five hundred, it will not be

504
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Speaker 4: easy for him. He needs to learn.

505
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Speaker 1: Folks. There's going to be a Formula one team based

506
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: right here in Central Indiana, as you know, the Cadillac

507
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: team right up near Fisher's and as you could see,

508
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: learning curve lot to go through that I'm sure will

509
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: be one of the subjects that's discussed, as well as hiring,

510
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: firing drivers, working with different teams. A lot to talk

511
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Speaker 1: about with gutter Steiner at Unfiltered Live November fourteenth at

512
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Speaker 1: seven point thirty clues Memorial Hall at Butler Butlerartscenter dot

513
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Speaker 1: org for tickets. Good It is always a pleasure. Look

514
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Speaker 1: forward to talking to you again and certainly hope you

515
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: enjoy when you're going to be in Indianapolis here coming

516
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: up in just under a month.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, and

518
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Speaker 4: thanks for having the Jakes.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it very much. Gutter Steiner on the program, joining

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Speaker 1: us now. He is the director of basketball operations for Purdue.

521
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Elliott Bloom on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line. Elliott,

522
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Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with that in terms of just

523
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Speaker 1: the scheduling. You know, I realized that these schedules, how

524
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: far out are the schedules done? When you guys, you know,

525
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: you look right now. For example, whether it be playing

526
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: an Auburn or playing a Marquette, that would have been

527
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: agreed upon how long ago.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it kind of depends some of Like right now,

529
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Speaker 3: I'm working on next year's schedule as we speak, so

530
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: trying to get non conference stuff lined up and figure

531
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: all that stuff out. You know, some stuff gets done

532
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: in advance, like if you're going to play a home

533
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: at home with a high major, big time team, you

534
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: know that could be a couple of years in advance.

535
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: Just depends. Some stuff is last minute. You know. We've

536
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: had situations before, like last year we went down to

537
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: Birmingham and played Auburn, which then they agreed to come

538
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 3: back to Indy this year. That was pretty late in

539
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: the process. So that was like kind of at the

540
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: start of the season last year, like this time of

541
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Speaker 3: year into I think even in November December, where we

542
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Speaker 3: were saying the previous year we were talking about, all right,

543
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Speaker 3: do we go down to Birmingham? Do we do it?

544
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Speaker 3: Late like that. There was a game we played up

545
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Speaker 3: in Canada a couple of years ago. We played Alabama

546
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: up there and took Zach Edie back to Toronto, and

547
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Speaker 3: I was trying to get that done over the May,

548
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Speaker 3: even I think in the beginning of June, until we

549
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: finally got that done for that coming season, So it

550
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: just depends when.

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Speaker 1: You factored that stuff. Ben a couple of questions about it,

552
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: because I do find it interesting. The first would be,

553
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, the style of play of the school, perhaps

554
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: a previous you know, existing relationship with the coachings, coaches

555
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: of the staff, or just the schedule in terms of

556
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: what other schools have opened. What are the biggest deciding

557
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: factors on who you schedule for us?

558
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's changed a little bit over the years.

559
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: You know, we're at the point now where we're trying

560
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: to kind of full steam ahead and play as many

561
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: high level games as we can that we everybody gets

562
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: in our league. With twenty league games, you get eleven

563
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: non conference games. Now that's getting ready to go to twelve.

564
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: So next year they're adding a game, so we'll actually

565
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: go to twelve non conference games. So for our standpoint,

566
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: we like to try to make half of those against

567
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: high majors. That would be really good competition. That would

568
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: really kind of help our net and obviously it helps

569
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: the net rating that the NC Tournament Committee uses, but

570
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: it also it also there's a lot of factors. I mean,

571
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: the more quality games in Mackie, you know, the more

572
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: incentive there is for people to continue to buy season

573
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: tickets and want to see, you know, those high level games.

574
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: Obviously helps from just kind of staying relevant nationally and

575
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of reasons

576
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: to do it. We've kind of chose to make half

577
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: of our games our non conference games, those high end

578
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: games like that. But everybody's everybody's usually at a different place,

579
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: and so like we have to find teams that are

580
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: of like mindset that want to do that, you know,

581
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: and so that's kind of where it starts. It's like

582
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: what teams are out there that would would like to

583
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: do these kind of things. There's a big push in

584
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: our in our business right now, in our industry, whatever

585
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: you want to call it, in our support. You know,

586
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: the tournament, the MTE world, you know, the players there

587
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: are a tournament and saying in Las Vegas is drawing

588
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: in a lot of teams, and so that's really disrupted

589
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: the market. You're seeing things like the MAO Invitational and

590
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: Battle for Atlantis, some of the two to the higher

591
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 3: profile kind of preseason tournaments are getting affected by the

592
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: big monster out in Las Vegas. That's that's taken in

593
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: so many teams, so that's impacted some things. There's a

594
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: lot of promoters right now that are doing a lot

595
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: of neutral events. You're probably seeing more neutral site games

596
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: than you've ever seen, little one off games in different cities,

597
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of options now where and then

598
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: home and homes are still there's a lot to be

599
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: said for her home and homes. Some schools don't look

600
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: at those as favorably because they think, well, if I

601
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: go to a neutral site, I can get more money

602
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: from a promoter if I do that, and there might

603
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: be other motivations to do it. So you kind of

604
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: got to find teams that are willing dance partners, so

605
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: to speak. And then once you once you get a

606
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: team that's like, okay, I'll play you and let's play

607
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: on a neutral or let's play home and home. Well,

608
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: then yeah, the date's got to work out, workout.

609
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how much like when you're when you're doing

610
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: this jigsaw puzzle of it, Elliott, how much does coach

611
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Matt Painter sit in with you on that or is

612
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: he kind of more of the Hey, I trust what

613
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: you can put together, let me know who we got.

614
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how much discussion goes back and forth.

615
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Payne, I've been doing it for so

616
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: long together as it's to the point now where I

617
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: basically go to him and say, Okay, here's our options.

618
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: What do you want to do? And I try to

619
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: get some stuff lined up now. Sometimes if I feel like, hey,

620
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time getting so and so at

621
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: answered the phone, like can you just reach out to

622
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: the other head coach and see if they want to

623
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: play a home at home? And he'll do that from

624
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: time to time, but for the most part, I'll just

625
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: kind of take options to him, and we're still pretty

626
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 3: old school. I just I write it out on a

627
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: blank calendar and I plug in different scenarios and games,

628
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: and then we sit down and kind of go over

629
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: and say, okay, this is one scenario we could do

630
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: if we went to this place and then that place

631
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: and this tournament. You know, what do you think about that?

632
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: For the most part, were on the same page. I

633
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: would say ninety nine percent of time on what we're

634
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 3: trying to do. So it's a pretty easy process for us.

635
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: There are some schools that it's not an easy process,

636
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: and those are the ones you don't really want to

637
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: deal with.

638
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I like about you.

639
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: For me, I have problems getting anybody to answer the phone,

640
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: but you usually do, which I like, Right, I mean,

641
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: so you know, I appreciate that. I've always thought, Elliott,

642
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: it's interesting in the NCAA tournament. You know, I've always

643
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: felt like the tournament amazes me because and I'm always intrigued,

644
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and I find it fun when you just don't know

645
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: who you're going to get matched up against, in what

646
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: style you're going to see, and you might be playing

647
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: a team out of a league that plays a completely

648
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: different style of play of what you're used to. Now,

649
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: is that an antiquated thought now? Out of the Big

650
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Ten because the conference itself is so vast now that

651
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: it is diverse enough that you don't really have to

652
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: worry about that. Out of conference to prepare yourself for March,

653
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: do you get within the Big Ten pretty much the

654
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: gauntlet sample size that prepares you.

655
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part, you're going to get that

656
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: now you're going to have, like I think, I think,

657
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: more than anything, it's giving your players like a reference

658
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: point or something to draw back on, an experience that

659
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: they can then recall. So like We're going down to Kentucky,

660
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, Friday night to play, and you know, to

661
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: be honest, we're really hoping that by our guys going

662
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: through that first travel experience together, because this team hasn't

663
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: done anything together yet, you know, the new pieces that

664
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: we've had. It's a brand new team, is how we

665
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: always look at it. So that whole experience, playing in

666
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: front of a crowd, traveling on a plane for the

667
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: first time together, all that stuff, we hope that pays

668
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: dividends a few weeks later when we go down to

669
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Alabama and play in Tuscal Loose on November thirteenth. So

670
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: those are the Those are some things that we try

671
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: to do now on our schedule this year too, Like

672
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: we play a couple of MAX schools that have been

673
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: traditionally really good. I mean, we play Acron in Kent

674
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: State and both those teams, I mean, how many times

675
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: have you seen those teams on your instead of a

676
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: tournament bracket? And usually those teams are going to are

677
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: gonna be good enough to give some of the higher

678
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: major teams a run for their money in those first

679
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: or second round games. So those even those games that

680
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: maybe the general fan looks at and doesn't necessarily it

681
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: doesn't register with them. But we look at those and say,

682
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: we could very easily see those teams in the first

683
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: or second week, first or second round in the tournament.

684
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Oakland's in that same category, right absolutely, even

685
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: though he loses, you know, roster rotation a lot out

686
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: of the horizon. They're just really well coached, seemingly each

687
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and every time you go up against.

688
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: Them, right one thousand percent. And those are the kind

689
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: of things that when you when you get to the

690
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: tournament and all of a sudden that team shows up

691
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: on your line, you can sit there. Can we have

692
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: a reference point now to go back and say, guys,

693
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: they're going to be very similar to Akron, or to Oakland,

694
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: or to Kent State or some of those teams that

695
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: you play. Like, there's a couple of trains of thought

696
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: out there in our world. Some people want to schedule

697
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: really bad teams and run the score up and try

698
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: to kind of gain the system a little bit that way,

699
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: and in terms of their net rating, we're kind of

700
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: the out. So we'd rather play good quality teams that

701
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: give our guys a good test and then give them

702
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: a reference point. The rest of the season.

703
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Who most intrigues you. Elliott Bloom is my guest. He's

704
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling for a guest line. He's

705
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: the director of basketball ops for Purdue. When you look

706
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: at this roster for you guys this year, Elliott, I mean, look,

707
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: we know of your main trio and the guys that

708
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: have been around for a long time and have been

709
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: great players for you, guys, who are you most intrigued

710
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: by or who do you think fans will be most

711
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: intrigued by seeing what they can do for you this year?

712
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a few guys. I mean

713
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: we Oscar Cloff, our fifth year guy that we had

714
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: it from South Dakota State. He's a he's a grown man.

715
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: He's you know, he's an older elder, elder statesman kind

716
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 3: of guy. He's a blue collar, hard had launch pail

717
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: guy that I think people will be very pleased with.

718
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: He's got a really good nose for rebounding, can score

719
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: it around the basket, really kind of scratches the itch

720
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: that we had coming off of last season where we

721
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 3: had a hard time rebounding. So I think he's probably

722
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: going to be the most impactful. I also think that.

723
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: You know, Omer Meyer's a guy, that Israeli kid that

724
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: we added that was playing professionally over there. He has

725
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: a lot of intrigue around him just because of how

726
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: he kind of blew up on social media and everybody

727
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: kind of fell in love with him. Really good player.

728
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: But I also think guys that have been on our

729
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: roster two that are just a little bit better. You know,

730
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: Daniel Jacobson, our post guy that was hurt early on

731
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 3: last year. Our fans only got to see a couple

732
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: of games with him, so you know, they're basically seeing

733
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: him as in what he is now as a freshman.

734
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Jack Benner comes off of red shirt year. So those

735
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: two guys are going to play good minutes for us

736
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: this year and I think are both going to be

737
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: very impactful. So yeah, we got a lot of those names,

738
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: those household names that have been with us, but we've

739
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: also got a kind of another wave. And then also too,

740
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: like the Jakari Harrisons and CJ. Cox that went through

741
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: the freshman year. Seeing that natural growth and progression that

742
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: you have from your freshman to south More year, I

743
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: think they're going to our fans are really going to

744
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: be pleased with how they progressed and the level they're

745
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: going to play at this year.

746
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I thought CJ. Cox last year, Elliott was impressive in

747
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: different occasions because and you know, you see it a

748
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: lot more closer than I, so feel free to tell

749
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: me that this was not an accurate observation. But he

750
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy that when his number was called,

751
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: he was ready for the moment and he didn't get

752
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: caught up kind of in the pace in which it

753
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: was moving. And yet he bought into an understanding of

754
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: knowing when his role was necessary, but not pushing it

755
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: too much. And that seems to be the Matt Painter

756
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Purdue way. Is that a fair assessment of how his

757
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: first year went.

758
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that, And

759
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: I think that you're right too to reference coach, because

760
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: I think that one of Paint's strengths is that he's

761
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: able to define roles and and let people know that,

762
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: you know, hey, these guys are going to be our

763
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: main Our main do here in terms of carrying the

764
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: load offensively. But that doesn't mean that on any given

765
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: night it's not your time to step up. And so

766
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: I think that I think that's very accurate he seemed,

767
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, he kind of came on the scene against

768
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Alabama here where he just went on that run by

769
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: himself and blew the roof off of Mackie. All those

770
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: guys had their individual moments throughout the year. We even

771
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: made the comment when we were in the tournament first

772
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: and second round out in Providence, Jaikari and CJ both

773
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: did some really good things in those games, and we're like, man,

774
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: for a true freshman to actually be making an impact

775
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: in an in SIBY tournament game, I don't know if

776
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: people realize how important that is or how valuable that

777
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: experience is, because that gives them a chance now for

778
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: the next three years to always be able to say,

779
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: for us to be able to say, look, you guys

780
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: producing a tournament, an intimbly tournament game, multiple in SIBY

781
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: tournament games like you got this, like you know, a

782
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: road trip to you know, to Iowa that's not more

783
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: pressure packed than those tournament games were. So they've set

784
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: themselves up well to have really, really good success over

785
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: the next three years.

786
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: Ellie, we were talking earlier on the show, you know,

787
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: and I know that this is not a new story.

788
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: It's not in terms of and not to get you

789
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: to speak about other programs, but just for the sake

790
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: for the audience of understanding. So yesterday or you know,

791
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: within the last forty eight hours or so, Louisville got

792
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: a recruit. You know, they signed a player that has

793
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: been already in the G League. Santa Clara has done

794
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: the same. I know that tom Izzo spoke out of

795
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: his concern, not necessarily of these particular circumstances, but of

796
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: in what I was saying was there is a precedent

797
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: with the NCAA that when a line is drawn there

798
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: of what you're going to do in terms of name, image,

799
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: likeness or player representation, and in this case saying, look,

800
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: somebody's coming from the G League, so long as they

801
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: have not gone and been drafted, so long as they

802
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: have not signed an NBA contract, but rather simply a

803
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: G League contract, and as long as they are still

804
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: within five years of their high school graduating class, they

805
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: are college eligible. My concern, and I want you to

806
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: tell me if it's an invalid concern, is that the

807
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: lines can be blurred so easily, and the precedent says

808
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: that the individual market is prioritized versus the school market,

809
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: and the NCAA loses a little bit of a grip

810
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: of power within these circumstances that can snowball your thoughts.

811
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's where I think that's the frustration.

812
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: Is where we're at now, is that the guidelines and

813
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: rules keep changing on us, and they change on us midstream.

814
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: Like you know, you can go back to the when

815
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: the transfer portal happened, you know, anil stuff started happening.

816
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: Then the you know, the collectives enter the picture, and

817
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: now the collectives are are they at? And then they're

818
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: now they're out of the picture. And now we've got

819
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: the nil go platform which players submit their nil deals,

820
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: true nil D deals through that need to get you know,

821
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: vetted and approved from that mechanism. Now there's talk there's

822
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: there's teams out there that are paying players before they

823
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: actually arrived to campus to get around the nil go portal.

824
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Now you've got, you know, this last situation that you

825
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: just described. I think that at the end of the day,

826
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: I think everybody's like ready to get going on a defined,

827
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: clear set of rules that don't change. You know, we

828
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: need a period in our in college athletics, in my opinion,

829
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: we need a good period of you know, five to

830
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: ten years where we don't have change and we can

831
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: just adjust to what we're doing. We spend so much

832
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: time moving things around and figuring out, you know, what

833
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: the next scenario is going to be. And then you

834
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: have another group of people who are like, Okay, how

835
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: do we get around this this set of rules, how

836
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: do we get around that? How do we color outside

837
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: the line, so to speak. So there's a lot of frustration,

838
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 3: and rightfully so, you know, the best way to stay

839
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: saying in all all this is just to take the hand,

840
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: your dealt and play it to the best of your ability.

841
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: And you know, anybody in this state who grew up

842
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: playing uker, you know you get you know, you get

843
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: aceno face. It's like, Okay, I just got to suck

844
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: this one up and get to the next one. I

845
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: hope I get a couple of hours in my hand.

846
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's one of those scenarios, you just

847
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: it's it stinks when the rules change like they do.

848
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: And hopefully we get to a point where at some

849
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: point the incidable A can dig in to find some

850
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: rules and we stick with it for a while. And

851
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: that's a big if because a lot of these things

852
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: get challenged in court, and we all know the record

853
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: the INSTABA has in the court room over the last

854
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: few years.

855
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with that, Elliott, you know, I was saying earlier,

856
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: I have felt for a long time and this might

857
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: not be until, you know, for I mean, I don't

858
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: know what the timeframe of this would be. But am

859
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: I totally crazy to say that eventually we could get

860
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: to a point where we have an NBA sanctioned or

861
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: funded G league that is actually college back basketball programs.

862
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I doubt we get to that point. I think

863
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: to me, the next step down the road is at

864
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: some point they're going to have to figure out the

865
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: whole employee thing and the whole collective bargaining thing, if

866
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: that ever comes into play, and if that is indeed

867
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: the next step down the road, somewhere where does that

868
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: even start? How do you collectively bargain? Do you collectively

869
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: bargain as a conference? Do you collectively bargain as a sport?

870
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: Does Big ten basketball collectively bargained? Does Big ten football

871
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: separately collectively bargained? Does all events DOAA basketball? You know?

872
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: How do you do that? And then what do you

873
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: do with the low majors the mid majors, Like how

874
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: does that all fit together? I mean, there's so many questions.

875
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, if you sat around, if you went to

876
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: a bar with your buddies and ordered some beers, you'll

877
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: be there way past midnight talking about all this because

878
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: there's just that many scenarios. So I think that at

879
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: some point point that's down the road. I wouldn't put

880
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: anything off the table. I think that in the incidentbla's

881
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: got so much invested now in g leagues, and you know,

882
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: they finally got to the point where everybody's got a team.

883
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: They kind of did away with that all star team

884
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: so to speak, and and like in the in the Pacers,

885
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: you know example, you know they've got an arena.

886
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're saying the NBA has so much invested

887
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: in the g leagues, right.

888
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my bat And and so I feel

889
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: like that's kind of the path that they are are

890
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: going down, and I think it's I think that's kind

891
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: of a good thing. I don't know if they ever

892
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: get down to our level, is there now is there

893
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: a little bit more uh cooperation so to speak in

894
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: terms of like hey, if if somebody's played in the

895
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: G League in the NBA, they're just not eligible anymore.

896
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: That might get you know, there might be some more

897
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: clarity with that, But I don't know if we ever

898
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: get to the point where we're affiliated with.

899
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: It, because Ellie, the reason, you know, that's the other

900
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: thing that becomes like this, this this wild tentacle off

901
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: of all this that I was saying, is you know, again,

902
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the lines keep getting blurred. To your point, right, the

903
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: rules keep changing. So so do we get to a

904
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: point or are we afraid? I guess I should say

905
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: of getting to a point where a guy plays at

906
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, insert name of program for a year, goes

907
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: into the NBA. Let's even say gets drafted place, is

908
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: on a roster for two years and gets completely buried

909
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: and then says, you know what, I'm going back to college.

910
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: That sounds crazy now, right, But my point being, does

911
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: isn't their precedent to say we can't rule out anything

912
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: at this point?

913
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: There's enough, Yeah, there's been enough chaos that, yeah, we

914
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: can't rule out anything at this point. I mean, if

915
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: they came through the tomorrow with a rule like that,

916
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: it would shock us all. But it wouldn't. I mean,

917
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: it would surprise us all, but it wouldn't like, it

918
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't completely floor you because of all the stuff we've

919
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: already dealt with.

920
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Lenna Robinson's got two years left. Elliott, get

921
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: on the phone, right, I.

922
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: Say, yeah. I mean think about think about a few

923
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: years ago when the whole portal thing became where like

924
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: no guy can pick up and go wherever he wants.

925
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: You know, that would have if you would have so

926
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: told somebody ten ten years ago, they would have said,

927
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: no way, that's not happening. But you know, blow and behold.

928
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: A few years later, we're dealing with it, and I

929
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: think the thing on I think at the end of

930
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: the day, most people in our on our side of things,

931
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: they want it. We want as much as they as

932
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: a student athlete can get. We're all in favor of them,

933
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: you know, reaping the benefits of playing college basketball where

934
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: that's financially on top of what they do. We want,

935
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: we want the best form. But at the same time

936
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: it puts us in a pretty tough bund because a

937
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: lot of the uncertainty doesn't exist at the pro level.

938
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot more restrictions at the professional level in

939
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: terms of you know, you can't certain teams can't talk

940
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: to other teams about contracts, about playing different places. You know,

941
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: there's a system in place, and I think all we

942
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: want at the end of the day is just a

943
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: you know, what that consists of can be debated, but

944
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: as long as we have a more organized system in place,

945
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: we'll adjust and we'll make it work. But the fact

946
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: that we don't have that or it changes so often

947
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: is really what's the frustrating part of it.

948
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: And I think we see this Elliott Bloom, our guest.

949
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned you've got a player in Omermeyer

950
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: that that I believe was playing or was being compensated overseas, right,

951
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: So does that also is that also kind of a

952
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: wild wild west of you know what this guy's playing in,

953
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: like the Premier League and there's some really good leagues overseas.

954
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah? Absolutely?

955
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: Does you know? Where do things? I don't even know?

956
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: Like what is is there a parameter on what player

957
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: you can get out of the overseas leagues?

958
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean it's all comes down to like

959
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: what what was their agreement with those club teams over

960
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 3: there and with those leagues. So like in Europe, most

961
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: kids grow up. They don't like play at the public

962
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: high school. And if you're identified as a player, you're

963
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: going to join a club. And so like the names

964
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 3: that most general casual fans know of, you know Real

965
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: Madrid and you know Barcelona and all those big teams

966
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: over there names, they all have club teams. And so

967
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: you could be with your club team for twelve years.

968
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: You know, you could be identified as a seven year

969
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: old you're really good, all right, I'm playing club and

970
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: you're with that team. And then in their in their eyes,

971
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna as you get older, you're going to matriculate

972
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: up through the system, and then you're eventually going to

973
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: play for our top team, which in a lot of

974
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: those clubs cases plays in the EuroLeague, which is the

975
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: second best professional basketball league in the world. And so

976
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: that's how they kind of grow their clubs and their leagues. Now,

977
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: at any point in that time, as long as the

978
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: contract makes it so where it would work, they can

979
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: leave and go play college of basketball. Now I'm not

980
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not well versed enough to know, like,

981
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: at what point do you play over there for on

982
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: the on the main team that's playing in the EuroLeague.

983
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: If you're there like five or six years. At what

984
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: point there's your window closed. I don't know that answer,

985
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: but a lot of these guys have decisions to make

986
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: now because of the money that's entered our game. Before.

987
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: You know, it didn't really it wasn't in their best interest.

988
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: They could they were going to get paid more money

989
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: to stay over there. Anyway, there was a lot to

990
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: be said for playing in front of your home family

991
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: and you're playing in your home country, that kind of stuff,

992
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: and then if you got good enough, then obviously NBA

993
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: teams could come over and draft, and that's been the

994
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: case for a long time now. But now what's changed

995
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: is with with the collectives, especially last year and now

996
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: with revshare being a thing, some of these players are

997
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: realizing that they could go make maybe a little bit

998
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: more money and get better exposure for NBA teams as

999
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: well that are coming to our gyms, you know, almost

1000
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: on a nightly basis when we play games the scout guys.

1001
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: So it's really changed some things, and you've got a

1002
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 3: lot more You're seeing a lot more international players signed

1003
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: with colleges than you probably ever have. And it's also

1004
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: creating an interesting dynamic because some of these these clubs

1005
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: are there aren't so high on the fact that we're

1006
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: coming over and taking players, and so now there's been

1007
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a new wave of

1008
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 3: when these kids grow up in clubs and then play

1009
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: for the professional team over there, Well, they start putting

1010
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: clauses in contracts that say, Okay, you leave, Yeah, you

1011
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 3: leave for college program, You're going to owe this number.

1012
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Am I correct? At Meyer played either with or against,

1013
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, like Carson Edwards or or Trevian Williams. Right,

1014
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah with the teammate.

1015
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, teammate with Trevion and played against Carson Edwards.

1016
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: So you get cross pollination where then all of a sudden,

1017
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: these guys are becoming familiar with right and vice versa. Okay, absolutely, Hey, lastly, Elliott,

1018
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the time Elliott blom Our guest the

1019
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: director of basketball operations for Purdue. You know when for

1020
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: me as a player, and I mean, obviously I was

1021
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: not a college player, but when I played basketball, honestly,

1022
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the basketball of all of it

1023
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: was away games. Just getting off the bus, like with

1024
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: my teammates and seeing like the fans there there was

1025
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: just this camaraderie that came with it, right as a

1026
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: fan or as a media member. I think my favorite

1027
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: time is like selection Sunday when the weather breaks and

1028
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where teams are going to be

1029
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: slotted and who you're playing and whatever. For you being

1030
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: so intimately involved with it. What is your favorite part

1031
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: of being a part of Pretty Basketball?

1032
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: Probably the road winds FRO I'm being honest. I mean,

1033
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: I love it all. I wouldn't be doing it as

1034
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: long as I've done it if I didn't love it.

1035
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all in on what we do and

1036
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: very fortunate to work with a staff that gets along

1037
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: so well that it makes it fun to go to

1038
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: work every day. And I don't feel like I've ever

1039
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: gotten up and actually gone to a job. But the

1040
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 3: road winds are like exactly what you just described, Like,

1041
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: you know, we always talk about it. It's usually about

1042
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: thirty versus you know, fifteen, sixteen thousand, and you're going

1043
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: in with most of the time, you're not favorite to

1044
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: win a road game. You're going into a hostile environment

1045
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: and you kind of got a band together with the

1046
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: other guys in that locker room and find a way

1047
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: to get it done. And when you do that and

1048
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: you sit there like the best times are like okay,

1049
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: there's forty five seconds left and the fans are heading

1050
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: for the exits because you're up twelve, like I don't

1051
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: know if there's a better feeling, and you're kind of

1052
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: whispering on the bench like, hey they they look, look, look,

1053
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: they're all leaving. They're all leaving. And then you get

1054
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: in that locker room and you celebrate, and they're not

1055
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: just celebrating the win. You're celebrating all the work you

1056
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: put in. You're celebrating all the hours you spent with

1057
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: each other. And you know, I tell people all the time.

1058
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: People think that, well, college basketball kicks off in November,

1059
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: Like not for us, it kicks off in June. You know,

1060
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 3: we go to work in June and our guys get

1061
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: here for summer school and we're pretty much with them

1062
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: until April, and so it's a long it's the longest season,

1063
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, of college sports. It's got the longest amount

1064
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: of time you're with each other as a team. And

1065
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: so those moments when you can kind of accomplish things

1066
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: together as a team under some harsh environment kind of

1067
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: situations those are the most rewarding for me.

1068
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: By the way, I always forget this. Were you Lapel

1069
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: High School? Is that right? I went to Mount Vernon,

1070
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: Mount Vernon, that's right. Don't you have the record for

1071
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: like twenty six threes in a game at Mount Vernon?

1072
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that right?

1073
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: I made eleven at a game. Coach how he how.

1074
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: It was when he was at Lapel. He told me

1075
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: about it.

1076
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: I think, right, yeah, probably he was coaching me at

1077
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 3: Mount Vernon and then later went to Lapel where he played,

1078
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: and we had a I had the basket looked about

1079
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: ten feet wide that night over at Lapel. It was

1080
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: one of those nights where anybody who's ever played, you know,

1081
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: you get in one of those rhythms and the basket

1082
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: looks bigger than it is, and it ended up going

1083
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: my way that night.

1084
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Speaker 1: You had eleven threes? How made you take?

1085
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: I took nineteen.

1086
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: That's not bad, because it'd be one thing if you're like, well,

1087
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I was eleven of forty seven. You know what I mean?

1088
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: Right? Exactly? Well, I look back at the amount of

1089
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: amount of threes I took in some of those games.

1090
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta buy Coach how a couple extra

1091
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: dinners here because letting one Guy shoot eighteen nineteen. I

1092
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: had twenty one at three point attempts in one game

1093
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: one time, and I was like, holy cow, like now

1094
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: you know, when you're in it, you don't realize. Then

1095
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: you get you get around the game and you you know,

1096
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: get to this level and you sit back and go

1097
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: with twenty one to three point attempts in one game

1098
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: for one person. That's insane.

1099
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: See, but I had that many, I think in one

1100
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: game because I couldn't learn the offense. So I was like,

1101
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: you know what if the ball came my way up

1102
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: like it's going up, I have no idea where I'm

1103
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: supposed to go with it.

1104
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: Better than a turnover, Like we always say, you can

1105
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: rebound a shot, you can't rebound a turnover.

1106
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Good way of saying it, right, all right, So pretduy

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Speaker 1: goods underway against Kentucky. Elliott Bloom. That is an exhibition

1108
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Speaker 1: game coming up on Friday night. Elliott, I'd love to

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: have you back on the show man. I always appreciate it,

1110
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Speaker 1: and I always enjoy the conversation.

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Speaker 3: No anytime. I like listening to you guys, and you

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Speaker 3: guys are always true as well, so appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it very much. Elliott Bloom from Perdue Basketball, the

1114
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Speaker 1: director of operations on the Java House. Peel and poor

1115
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Speaker 1: guest line. Lots of Java House locations up in Lafayette,

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Speaker 1: by the way,