1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Hey, do you remember our teas that we did Friday 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: before we left for the weekend. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: I do, because I felt like it was somewhat of 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: a throwaway, But actually now it seems somewhat prophetic, doesn't it. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: So every you hear these liners that run throughout the 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: day where we preview kind of what's coming up for 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow's show, and the Friday ones are always tough because 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: we know it'll be two whole days before we all 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: get together and visit again. So we always struggled to, like, 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: what's going to be the top story? And so I 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: told Casey, I said, well, I'll just say something like 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: the politicians will probably do something stupid, we'll tell you 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: about it. And boy, howdy, Casey. 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they delivered, didn't. 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: They, Because today we have not one, not two, but 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: three Yeah, people who either definitely or allegedly did something 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: stupid right and left. So let's this is a It 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: was a real tough one to figure out who the 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: dumbass of the day was going to be, because I 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: so wanted it to be the Lieutenant governor. But while 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: his stuff is ridiculous, it's not particularly harmful. I don't 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: think to the public at large, because he gave away 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: all his power and he mostly just goes through the 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: candy stores and the pizza kings. Now, so we'll talk 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: about him in a little bit because there's some real 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: life lessons from that that saga. I think we have 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: to start with the governor though, because this involves putting 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: somebody in an enhanced position of power, and I got 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: big problems with this. 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a cabinet member who just abruptly announced 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: their departure. 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: So Jennifer Ruth Green, so she look, government is the 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: is the ultimate fail up place where you see people 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: who are professional losers and then they just get placed 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: promoted when they're good little girls and boys into these 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: cushy government positions. And you think about like names that 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: come to mind. You've got this Jennifer Ruth Green, who 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: will talk about lost an election, rejected by the voters, 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to, you know, be element rejected. What 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: she get? She gets a cushy government position. The Suzy 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Javarosky lady rejected by the voters. What's the punishment? Cushy 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: government position? Fred Glenn, the guy running OKRA, rejected multiple 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: times by the voters. Once again I like, Freddy's a 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: nice of guy, but sorry, you've been rejected by the voters. 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: What do you get? Cushy government position? And Jennifer Ruth 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: Green ran for Congress in the first Congressional District YEP, 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: which is the one that they're looking at rigging in 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: favor of the Republicans so that they can because they 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: can't win it on the up and up, so they'll 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: rig the map further in their favor. This next time, 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: she lost that race. 52 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: She narrowly lost. This was back in twenty two. It 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: was forty seven to fifty three. 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Okay, but it wasn't like she lost by three vot 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's six points. And they the Republicans put 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: a gajillion dollars into that seat, and they could and 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: they she couldn't get it done. Okay, fine, you had, 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: you had your shot. 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: She raised three point five million. 60 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, yeah, I mean they put 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: a ton of money in there, all sorts of resources, 62 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: and she couldn't get it done. And for her, for 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: her failure, she was given a two hundred and seventy 64 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars job by the Braun administration. What a 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: public safety wasn't that her Secretary of Public Safety? Yes, 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: so sorry, you couldn't win. The voters said no, thanks, 67 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: but the broad administration said, come on in, here's two 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five K plus Benni's yeah. 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: But after serving roughly eight months. Yes, she has resigned, 70 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: and she did put out a statement she said, many 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: thanks to Governor Braun for the honor of serving as 72 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: Indiana's inaugural Secretary of Public Safety. Huh, I'm honored to 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: have worked alongside so many great leaders around the state. Secretary. 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: We'll do an amazing job in this position. I look 75 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: forward to watching his successes. She's off to military duty. 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: Always a privileged to wear that uniform, and I'm excited 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: for the future. 78 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: But at no point did she say I must quit 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: because of my military duty. She clearly when she took 80 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: the job knew she had military duty. There's no right. 81 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't say I'm quitting because I have 82 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: this military obligation. Right. No, No, Braun didn't say that 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: because like when Jim Banks, as much as we disliked Banks, 84 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: he did serve his country and deserves respect for that, 85 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: as does this woman. But the Banks when he was 86 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: a senator. I think he was a state senator. He 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: got called up to military duty and he had to 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: he resigned his office to go have his military obligation, 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: and his wife was caucused into his seat, which was fine, right, 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: But they made a big deal out of that, like 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: he has to go, he's leaving because he has to go. 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: There was nothing in this Braunze statement that said because 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: of her patriotic service, this will you know, prohibit her 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: from doing this job. And it breaks my heart into 95 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, like none of that was said, right, 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: There was no There's nothing in any of these statements 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: from anyone her or anybody else that says I quit 98 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: because of a military obligation that will prohibit me from 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: doing this job anymore. 100 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: No, she does not say that directly. She does say 101 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: that she is off to military duty, right. 102 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: But there's a difference between I got a couple of 103 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: weeks of service coming up here, a mandatory service, versus hey, 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: I gotta go, you know, fight in a foreign land. 105 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: And if they didn't clarify that, if that's the reason 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: she left, we'll shame on them. And everybody in the 107 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: PR departments were both braun and her should be fired. 108 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that that would be a bragging opportunity 109 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: you could flex on that. 110 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: I'll be back. I'll be back in a year. I 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: look forward to serving the broad administration again as soon 112 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: as I can get back. Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: They didn't do any of that, Okay, So let's then 114 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: operate if indeed again and everyone should be fired if 115 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: that's the reason she left, and nobody said that, so 116 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it probably was because I don't think 117 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: they could all be that incompetent. Surely somebody in the 118 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: government have been like, oh, this should be a good 119 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: talking point and make you both look really good. Who 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: gives up a two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: cush government job voluntarily? 122 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: Well, it is adding fuel to the rumors that she 123 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: may run for Congress again in the district that she 124 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: ran for last time. 125 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Who would give up a cush two hundred and seventy 126 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars job. And by the way, if she's 127 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: got some years long military obligation, now she gonna run 128 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: for Congress if she's out serving her country. 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: Good point. 130 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: So again we kind of are pushing path that like 131 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: if I for the next year, I'll be in Kuwait, 132 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: how are you gonna be running for Congress? Thank you? 133 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: All right? See, this is why we work through things 134 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: out loud on this program. Here, case, who gives up 135 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: a cush two hundred seventy five thousand dollars job to 136 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: run in a swing district that you lost the last 137 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: time and unless it changes doesn't appear to be any 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: more Republican and you're not even guaranteed you're going to 139 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: get through the primary. 140 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, it does make you wonder if they're going to 141 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: call that special legislative session to redraw. 142 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Sure does doesn't it? Casey Okay, But let's talk about 143 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: because the real story is not her. The real story 144 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: is who got put in her place, and that is 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Anthony Scott, the state police superintendent. Now, for those of 146 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: you are longtime listeners of this program, Anthony Scott is 147 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: the police superintendent who took over at the beginning of 148 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: the year when Mike Brawn's close political ally, Tom Kleinhelter, 149 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the sheriff of du Boys County, was facing an eighty 150 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: page probable cause affidavit which was put in front of 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: by the State Police former State Police Superintendent Doune Carter. 152 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: Jeff here In, this decorated longtime law and law enforcement 153 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: officer for the State Police, had put an eighty page 154 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: probably will cause affidavit in front of a special prosecutor. 155 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I believe it's from Orange County related to Kleinhelter, close 156 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: political ally of Mike Brown's alleged misuse of commissary money, 157 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: in particular buying flights for his wife to go on 158 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: these trips with him. And all of a sudden, Anthony 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Scott becomes State Police superintendent. And not only does the 160 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: klein Helter investigation poop just go away, but Jeff here In, 161 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: the decorated law enforcement officer, thirty plus years for state 162 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Police Jamie nol investigation to Sean Read investigation, all these 163 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: high profile investigations, he gets ends up getting punished for 164 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the way he allegedly handled the investigation. And Anthony Scott 165 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: is leading the State Police while this is going on, 166 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: and what do you know, case there's this magical, mysterious 167 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: resignation by the Public Safety Director and who was the 168 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: most qualified person to put in that spot. 169 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: The superintendent of the NA State Police. 170 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: Boy, that's a hell of a coincidence, isn't it double duty? 171 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: So now he's got dual roles. He's going to be 172 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: remaining as the superintendent of ISP and he will also 173 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: be the new Secretary of Public Safety. Before you know it, 174 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: he's going to be in charge of traffic cones. 175 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: So let's leave one more thing. Let me repeat this 176 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: outbum think. 177 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: Are very on Marco Rubio. Well, you know all these 178 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: job titles. 179 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I miss a stab, So I want 180 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: to just repeat this back to you, make sure I 181 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: didn't miss a stab. So Braun's close political ally, Tom 182 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Kleinhelter is facing an eighty page probable cause affidavit for 183 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: misuse of commissary money in Dubois County. The special prosecutor 184 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: takes the case. We've had Doug Carter, who's state police 185 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: superintendent on he said, no red flags from that special 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: prosecutor or. Nothing. All of a sudden, the new year, 187 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: new governor, which happens to be Governor Braun, close political 188 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: ally with Tom clin Helter, becomes the governor, appoints Anthony 189 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: Scott as the state police superintendent. All of a sudden, 190 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: not only does the kleine Helter investigation just go away 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: with no charges filed, despite an eighty page probable cause affidavit. 192 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: But then the guy who did the investigation, a decorated 193 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: thirty plus year veteran of law enforcement, gets not only reprimanded, 194 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: gets punished by as with his job of state police. 195 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: And then Anthony Scott gets a two hundred and seventy 196 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars job, assuming he'll make the same as 197 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: Jennifer Green did, gets aw hundred seventy five thousand dollars 198 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: job on top of and a promotion. Did I miss anything? 199 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Is anything I stated there incorrect? Did I appear to 200 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: your ears have missed any of the facts of the case. 201 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: The ladies and gentlemen, this is why everyone hates the government. 202 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: It is Kendilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: Remember when we were like, hey, we did that tease 204 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: about the politicians doing something stupid over the weekend. 205 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: What if they don't, Well, they wouldn't let us down 206 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: like that, would they. 207 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so look, Kevin, calm down. We will get 208 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: to Mica beck with throwing up all over himself later 209 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: on in the program. You need to call I'm so 210 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: sick of hearing about it. We will get to it 211 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: later on in the program. There's many other topics. Yeah, 212 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we have three real contenders for Dumbass of 213 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: the Day, and maybe we'll get to one of them 214 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: each hour. Maybe we'll just spread it out for that 215 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: public at large. Shit anyway, all right, So did you 216 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: see this is all over the Internet'm sure you did, 217 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: because you're such a social media maven. This what are 218 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: they calling her? The Philly Karen? 219 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Philly Karen. 220 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: So the Marlins were playing the Philadelphia Phillies, the Miami Marlins. 221 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I believe this was in Miami. And a guy for 222 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: the Phillies hits a home run. 223 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Harrison bat Harrison. 224 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's how you pronounce his name. He 225 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: hits home run. As usual, Look, nobody goes to the 226 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: Marlins game. So there's usually wide swaths of open seating, 227 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: especially like in the in the outfield stands. So guy 228 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: hits a home run, goes into the stands. There's a 229 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: as usual, like a scramble for the ball. Guy comes 230 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: up with the ball, you know, a group of people 231 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: that are all going for the ball. Guy comes up 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: with the ball, takes it, goes and gives it to 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: his kid. He's at the ballgame with I think his son. 234 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, his son Lincoln. It was his birthday. 235 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So so dad, you know the American pastime, American 236 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: rite of passage, right, fathers taking their sons to the 237 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: ball game. So takes it, gets a home run, gets it, 238 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: goes gives it to his kid. The kids elated, right, 239 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: having this, you know, great euphoric moment. And this woman 240 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: in a Philadelphia Phillies jersey who looks straight out of 241 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: Central Casting. Right, the Philly Karen name is perfect, Like, 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: she looks straight out of Karen Central Casting, goes up 243 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: to this father and starts berating him about the baseball. 244 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, she said that that was her ball and that 245 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,479 Speaker 2: she had caught it. She must have bobbled it because. 246 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: It was loose. Yeah. Yeah, and the rules and your 247 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: husband will back me up on this. Until the ball 248 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: is firmly in your possession, yeah, like touching the ball 249 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: not yours, even holding the ball for a brief second 250 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: if it's a crowd of people, not yours. Once you 251 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: have it's just like a catch in the NFL. You 252 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: gotta both feet down in bounds and firm possession of 253 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: the ball. Right, So At no point from the video 254 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: that I've seen, did it appear that she had any 255 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: of this right. She also can clearly see, Look, you're 256 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: a grown ass woman. They've revealed who this woman is, 257 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: by the way, right like they've named her, and I 258 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: don't know what is she. She gotta be in her 259 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: forties or fifties or whatever. You're a grown adult. You 260 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: see this little kid, he's got the you know, the 261 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: kid is at the game. The kid's excited. It's not 262 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: like it was, you know, a historic home run ball. 263 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, is you know Mark McGuire's 264 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: seventieth home runner, Aaron Jodge's sixty second or or you know, 265 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: Hank Aaron's you know all time reco seven fourteen. Like 266 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: it's none of that. It's just it's just some guy 267 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: hit a home run at the Marlins Phillies game, and 268 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: some little kid is thrilled to death that he has 269 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: the baseball, and she starts berating this dad to the 270 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: point where he finally just hands her the ball. 271 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: He said he pretty much just wanted her to go 272 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: to go away, and he was just trying to de 273 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: escalate the situation, and that was probably the right move. 274 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: In front of his kid. 275 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: No, the right move would have been get out of 276 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: my grill, lady, or I'm calling security. That's my ball. 277 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: It's now my kid's ball. Bugger off. Now I get like, well, 278 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: in the moment, you're panicking, whatever, but I hate that 279 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: she ever got the ball to begin with. Thankfully it 280 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: was all caught on film and public shaming comments and 281 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: of course the Internet didn't take long to track down 282 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: who she was, and now her name's out there for 283 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: everyone to see. 284 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just an embarrassing moment. And when something like 285 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: that happened, like, do you just want to disappear? 286 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: Right? 287 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: Just go run and hide forever. But the stadium staff 288 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: they later gave Lincoln, who was the boy, a gift 289 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: bag and he got a signed bat. 290 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: You got to meet the guy. 291 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: So at the end of the day he made out. 292 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Well. Sure, but what does it say about our society 293 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: that this is the way we respawn to I mean 294 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: not to say that it's meaningless. I mean, great, the 295 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: guy hit a home run. Maybe it altered the course 296 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: of the game. I don't know. I wasn't watching the game, 297 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: nor was I keeping track. But in the grand scheme 298 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: of things, that guy's not making the Hall of Fame. 299 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: It's not a historic piece of baseball memorabilia. 300 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: What is she going to do with that ball? Well? 301 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, like your life is so void of meaning 302 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: that berating something And it's one thing to say, hey, 303 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: I went for the ball, I didn't get it. Oh 304 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed and this guy was just a little faster. 305 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: All that that stings. But you see this all the time. 306 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: Where wasn't there something at a tennis event or something 307 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: where the guy was signing autographs and some dude lurched 308 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: in front of the little kid while he was trying 309 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: to hand the hat or whatever it was to the 310 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: and it was some well known person that did this 311 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: or known person, And it's just like, what are we 312 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: doing where adults are behaving in this fashion over souvenirs? 313 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Right, It's all about lack of self control, isn't it. 314 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: Can't you just be disappointed, handle your emotions and then 315 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: go on about your day. Instead she had to make 316 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: it a thing. 317 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, somebody is saying that the woman who was 318 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: identified wasn't her, which is why we don't give any 319 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: names on this show because we don't even care what 320 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: her actual name is, but like it's just ridiculous. You're 321 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: now going to go through life if you're that woman, 322 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: whether she's been identified or not, you're going to go 323 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: through life knowing that's because people know it was you. 324 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: People know who you are, People in your orbit know 325 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: that's you. Whether that name has been put out there 326 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: publicly or not. Was that ball going to change her 327 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: life in any way? And forever, that's what people will 328 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: know you as you. Yes, you're the person. You're the 329 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: adult who was berating some dad who got a ball 330 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: for his kid. Like you see this with the foul 331 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: balls all the time, where these adults you don't try 332 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: to get the ball, and it's like baseball is a 333 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: kid's game. It's like let the little kid have the thing. 334 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: Who cares well, it's like the adult who reached in 335 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: at the Bartman game with the. 336 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Cubs ruin the game, Well, no, casey, I'm sorry Steve. 337 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: Steve Bartman tried to catch a ball that was coming 338 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: right at him as much different than some No. No, 339 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I love that you try to, but I'm sorry that 340 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: is like Steve Barton was catching a foul ball that 341 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: came right towards him. Now you can say did he 342 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: reach near the field of play? Sort of, but moyses 343 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: A Lou was jumping into the stands to catch that that. 344 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as a lifelong comes man, I cannot You're 345 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: not gonna You're not gonna let it go. Sorry, I can't. 346 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: I love the bigger game. Well yes, but yes, right, 347 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: but it was still a foul ball. But the point 348 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: is anyway, all right, Hey, coming up next, Kerry Hamilton 349 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: is going to join us. She is a Democrat state representative. 350 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: She has been all over these skyrocketing utility increases, and 351 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about why your utility bills are going up, 352 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: what the Republicans are doing to cause your utility bills 353 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: to go up, and what should be done to prevent 354 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: them from going up. 355 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three w IBC. 356 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: Homes Men. So energy bills are all to talk these days, 357 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: and we're not getting a lot of cancers. Our next guest, 358 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: she would like to get some of those. It's Kennel 359 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here and joining us 360 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: in studio now Kerry Hamilton. She's a Democrat representative here 361 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana. Carry Hello, Hello, Hi Rob. 362 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: All right, so you've been very vocal about this. Obviously, 363 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about these skyrocketing utility bills, about 364 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: the prices that people are paying, and you have been 365 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: very adamant this shouldn't be happening. We got to do 366 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: something about it. 367 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 368 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: So let's start with why are the bills going up? 369 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: Because the Republicans like to say, well, you know this technology, 370 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: there's all this demand for stuff. It seems like we're 371 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: kind of rolling over for the utility companies. What say you? 372 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Rob, I've been in office now for nine years. 373 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. Are you having to go through that? 374 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 375 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Did you lose a bad. 376 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not the smartest person in my household, but 377 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: it's an honor to serve. But here's what why I 378 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: brought that up because for nine years I've been voting 379 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: against legislation that increases utility rates over time. So it 380 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: goes back this point historically, to back in I think 381 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: it was twenty seventeen maybe twenty eighteen, legislation that said 382 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 3: if you put solar panel on your house, if you 383 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: put a sole pane on your house. You will not 384 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: get the retail rate when you sell extra energy to 385 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: the grid. And why does that matter for the average 386 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: person who doesn't like, I can't put solar in my 387 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: house because I've to matrix so it's like, but it's 388 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: still it would help me and you because when people 389 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: put solar panels on their houses, they send extra energy 390 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: back to the grid in their communities. That energy goes 391 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: right into the grid. You don't lose any power, which 392 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: you do when it's generated, you know, one hundred two hundred, 393 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: one hundred miles away. You lose some in transmission, and 394 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: it's cheaper for right payers. But the utilities didn't want 395 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: that legislation and so dump ahead year after a year 396 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: different bills to allow utilities to pass on investments to 397 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: rate payers, et cetera. And then this year, Rob, we've 398 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: had these massive utility hands doubts. Yeah, you know, starting 399 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: with nuclear. 400 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the SMRs, right, yeah, so I am. 401 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: Not against SMRs to be to be clear, small modular 402 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: nuclear reactors. 403 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: Right, but there's no proof they work, right, there is nope, Brouth, 404 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: there's on. 405 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: A single one that operates in the United States. And 406 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: what we did was say, for this unproven technology, rate 407 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: pairs will pay the potentially hundreds of millions just to 408 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: design and permit facilities that may never even open. 409 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, what we were on the eighty percent of their 410 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: little doctor Frankenstein experiment. 411 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: Right, it's crazy. 412 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: So why do you frank You know you probably know 413 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: by now we've got little bick names for everything around. 414 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: Carry Hailton is our guest. She's an Indiana State Repid Democrat. 415 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about these rising utility rates and why everything 416 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: is so high and what can be done about it? 417 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: So why do Republicans keep passing this sort of legislation? 418 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: Like the governor comes out next like he's so concerned 419 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: about this, but like you said, he just passed. He 420 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: just signed off on this bill that will no doubt 421 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: raise rates. Why are Republicans seemingly repeatedly siding on siding 422 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: with the utilities? 423 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 3: Well, I mean what I can say is they are 424 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 3: on a regular basis they put forward and vote for 425 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: the legislation that utilities want. And now we have the 426 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: data centers. So this is a whole nother piece of 427 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: the mix. Right, But it happens year after year. I 428 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: will say there is a whole lot of campaign finance involved. 429 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and our friends at the Star had a big 430 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: little expose on that. I think Capitol Chronicle has run 431 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: that as well. Is it really that simple, like, hey, 432 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: we get to well, if it's. 433 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: That simple, but it's as a piece of the puzzle. 434 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's not just sensationalism or sensational journalism 435 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: to say, hey, these utilities are handing big money out 436 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: to these politicians and it's probably not a coincidence they 437 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: keep kind of getting their way. 438 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: Well, we all know the saying follow the money. 439 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm you talked about campaign finance and I'm curious, what 440 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: about the lobbyist? Does that really move the needle? 441 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, we have stakeholders come to us, 442 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: including industry lobbyists and utility lobbyists making the case for 443 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: their legislation, and you know, the utility voice is being 444 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: heard above others. There are consumer voices coming to the 445 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: State House as well. I listened to them equally and 446 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: they often win, yeah, when with my vote, but unfortunately 447 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 3: they don't win when it comes to the final legislation 448 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: that's passed by the super majority. 449 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so the I U r C is the Indian 450 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Utility Regulatory Commission is the final say on all of this. 451 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: The governor has vowed to revamp that board. At least 452 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: he's put a new taxpayer advocat or user advocate or 453 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: whatever her name is in that position. Is anything going to. 454 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: Change, Well, I mean, we had a great person running 455 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: that agency before, and that's actually the Office of Utility 456 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: Consumer Counselor. Yes, and then there's the i U r C. 457 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 3: They work in concert, but the Office of Utility Consumer 458 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 3: Counselor is really there to protect right pairs. 459 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: Right then, but they get ignored a lot. 460 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: They get ignore a lot. So we can have a 461 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 3: great person running that agency as we have, and we 462 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: have a new person who's probably very dedicated to the mission, 463 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: and it's not going to move the needil I will say. 464 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: The governor signed the legislation we've been talking about, the 465 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: big handouts to SMRs, the handouts to data centers. He 466 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: just signed that legislation a couple months ago, and so 467 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: it was a little frustrated to see press release where 468 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: he's very concerned about right. 469 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: Yes. 470 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: Do you think he knows he signed that? 471 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: You remind him, ill, sir, I'm pretty sure he does. 472 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Kerry Hamilton, Indiana State Representative Democrat, is our guest. 473 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the data centers for a few minutes. 474 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there are going to be a major problem 475 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: in this, right because of all the power that they use. 476 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's here's a big sort of industry handout, right, 477 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: and I want to go back to just make this comparison. 478 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 3: I talked about people putting solar in their houses and 479 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: not being able to get a reasonable rate for the 480 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 3: energy they put back on the grid, which. 481 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: They also gutted during this property tax bill. Right, didn't 482 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: they make some changes to that as well as their 483 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: old pal Oh yeah, Jacob Stewart. 484 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: Was that's right. So so the family that wants to 485 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: put solar on their house gets mixed, but the big 486 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: industry that wants to do whatever they want gets support. 487 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: So you know, we won't let families make investments, that 488 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: makes sense, but industry can do whatever they want and 489 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: basically screw utility, right pairs. 490 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: I'm curious, what have you heard about the legislative session 491 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: that's coming up, because we've heard they're going to readdress 492 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 2: property taxes and utilities will be a priority. What have 493 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: you heard you know. 494 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you mean the special session, that's. 495 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: What No, I'm talking about just a regular session coming 496 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: up in January. But well, have you heard that there 497 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: will be a special session? Let's talk about both. 498 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: Well, okay, So as far as the special session goes, 499 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: I believe we probably will have one. We'll know when 500 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: we know, which will be soon when it comes to 501 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 3: the next session and dealing with these issues. I mean 502 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: they created, My Republican colleagues created this mess, both on 503 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: the property tax side and the utility side over many years, 504 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: and the idea that they will come back and totally 505 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 3: change it. You know, we'll see. I don't think it's 506 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 3: going to happen. 507 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Should we be giving away financial incentives to these data centers. 508 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: No, I think what we need. I support a moratorium 509 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 3: until we put some guardrails in place about water use, 510 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: about energy use and who's paying for that energy, about neighbors, 511 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: and certainly re look at the proper or the tax abatements. 512 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of these massive tax abatements for 513 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: facilities that nobody wants in their communities. 514 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Do you know what these data centers actually contribute to 515 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: the community. 516 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: Like we've had this great question. 517 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: We've had this conversation. We can't figure it out why 518 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: they get all these incentives because there are basically no jobs, 519 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: that's right, They're just dystopian buildings. So why do we 520 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: give them all these abatements if they're not doing anything 521 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: other than contributing a building that's already being abated through 522 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: the local planning, you know, planning in town and city, 523 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: you know processes. 524 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 3: You know, it's a great question. So several years ago, 525 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: probably five years ago, six years ago, when I first 526 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: heard the word data center at the Statehouse. It was 527 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 3: kind of before AI was a thing, and it wasn't 528 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: it was a different conversation in that regard. But we 529 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: heard in the legislature that there would be all of 530 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: these businesses popping up nearby with lots of jobs and 531 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: you know, secondary economy elements that would make these investments smart. 532 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: That's not happening. And now what we realize is these 533 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: are massive energy hogs that will contribute to the average 534 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: rate payer homeowner, you know, household pay more, and that's 535 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 3: not acceptable. 536 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: A couple of minutes left here with Kerry Hamilton, she's 537 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: a Democrat state representative. We're talking about energies we're talking 538 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: about energy bills, we're talking about the data centers. Okay, 539 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: so if you were, if you were the governor, let's 540 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: just do a little exercise here. What should he be 541 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: doing in terms of trying to get the utility stuff 542 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: under control? If you had a chance to meet with him, 543 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: what would you tell him to be doing? 544 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, So, I mean we all need our utility 545 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: companies to operate. And let me just say this, Robin Casey, 546 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: I think that we need to couch this conversation and 547 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: make sure everyone who's listening knows the folks that are 548 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: servicing your utility lines and working in your community for 549 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 3: utility company. These are great people doing their jobs and 550 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: helping us have electricity door homes every day. Support those folks. 551 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: I just have to say that, I just have to 552 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 3: say nice, thank you. Exactly exactly what I would say 553 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: to the governor is let's have a more balanced energy policy. 554 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: The utilities are making huge profits. 555 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not running a soup kit. 556 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: They're not. And you know, let me just I'm going 557 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: to segue for a moment and just point out, since 558 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: we're here in Indianapolis, I represent AES customers as just asked 559 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: for an increase in their profit margin. So last year, 560 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: two years ago, they came and then last year the 561 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: rates went Two years ago they came for a rate 562 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: increased request last year they went into effect. So AES 563 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: customers are paying significantly more. And this is true utilities 564 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: across the stay but AES they all have big profit 565 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: margins that they're pretty much guaranteed their return on equity, 566 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: and they just asked, and after this massive increase that's 567 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: really hurting families, they asked to not just maybe come 568 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 3: back and say we need to make more investments to 569 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: increase reliability. You know, they said, we need to increase 570 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: our profit margin, make more money. It's going to out 571 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: of state investors and executives. Yeah, that is maddening to me. 572 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: Casey has to keep her house at eighty three degrees now, 573 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: so I'm very concerned for her. So we could get 574 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: this under control. You're an eyes person, know. 575 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe it. Rob, I have been so much 576 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: more aware, and Carrie you've probably had this experience as well. 577 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: I never I'm shutting off all the lights and the fans, yeah, TVs, 578 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, when I leave a room, the 579 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: light's coming off now and before I was gonna like, 580 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: it's just so much more top of mind. 581 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely, totally, absolutely my household too. 582 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you for trying to do something, 583 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: and please keep us posted on what our audience can do. 584 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I know everybody got fired up with the AES stuff, 585 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: but just keep us post on what we can do. 586 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: And sorry you have to work with the Republicans. 587 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, both of you for having me 588 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: on today. 589 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three WIBC. 590 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: A couple of an update on something big we talked 591 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: about earlier. Our old pals at the Capitol Chronicle India 592 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: a Capital Chronicle, they have now done a big expos 593 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: on this. Jennifer Ruth Green surprise resignation. Yes, and one 594 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: of the things that she was trying to pin it 595 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: as without saying it directly, she conveniently said upon so, 596 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: Jennifer Ruth Green has resigned. She's a failed congressional candidate. 597 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: She stepped down as Indiana Secretary of Public Safety right. 598 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: After being rejected by the voters. Braun gave her a 599 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: cushy two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars job in 600 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: his administration, and eight months later she just conveniently quits 601 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason for any of it, and she 602 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: posts this photo of her off. She goes off to military. 603 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: So it's a military duty. 604 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: Sort of felt like she was trying to say I'm 605 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: without saying it. 606 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: Oh. 607 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: I was called up right, yeah, And the Capitol Chronicles said, 608 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: and we said, look, we haven't seen anybody say this 609 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: in the release that unlike Jim Banks when he had 610 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: to resign as a State senator to go. It was 611 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan where he had to go. Like, nobody's saying this, 612 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: which you would be all over that if it was 613 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: some heroic feat to serve our long term, serve our country. Plus, 614 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: how would you run for Congress, which is the rumor 615 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: thing she wants to do again, if indeed you were 616 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: off serving the country. Right, Capitol Chronicle, in their reporting 617 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: on this said quote, the military service green reference is 618 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: not a deployment, but a routine national Guard duty expected 619 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: to last only a week or two. 620 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 2: Correct. 621 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: So there you go. So I'll come back to who 622 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: gives up a cushy two hundred and seventy five thousand 623 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: dollars plus benefits government job for no reason after being 624 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: there eight months. 625 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: So Tim Edson, who served as her consultant on her 626 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: twenty two congressional race, said that she's seriously weighing another 627 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: run for Congress in northwest Indiana. I'll repeat myself case 628 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: she could do that and Stilphy in the cabinet. Yes, okay. 629 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: I find this very fascinating that somebody would just give 630 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: that up willy nilly, without knowing for sure, because she 631 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: could do all of this and then the moment she says, go, 632 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do it, Okay, resign and whatever. 633 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, we wanted to put that quart of clarificy. 634 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: My question is Scott. He's the superintendent of the Indiana 635 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: State Police. He has now accepted the role of Secretary 636 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: of Public Safety. 637 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: Yes, he's going to do both. 638 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: Does that mean he gets paid for both positions? 639 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. There's several questions I'd 640 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: like to ask Anthony Scott, you know, of course, related 641 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: to the Tom Klein Helter investigation, etc. Maybe we should. 642 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: I'll put you in charge of inviting him on the show, 643 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: because he's on an email thread that I have. Remember 644 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: when we were trying to get that info on Aliyah, 645 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: the investigating klein Helter and possibly having ramifications of law 646 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: enforcement investigating him. He responded on that thread, I wonder 647 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: if his email is still the same now that he's 648 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: got this promotion. 649 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is you're you're wanting me to 650 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: pick a fight with the superintendent of the Indiana State Police. 651 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: No, people just like you better. They're more I have 652 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: to respond to you than they are in the army. Hey, well, shoot, 653 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna run out of time. We got to talk 654 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: about something you're doing. There's something I'm doing. But when 655 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: we come back, it's the main event for today's show. 656 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: The Lieutenant governor. He threw up all over himself and 657 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: he got broken by indie reporter. It was awesome. 658 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it coming up. It's ninety three w IBC.