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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to a Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for making us part of your morning ritual.

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Speaker 1: Later of the University of Houston's History Professor, doctor Gerald

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Speaker 1: will cover several topics including the attack on Iran, the

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Speaker 1: Afghan Pakistani conflict, the issues with Cuba, the Sahale nations,

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Speaker 1: the Epstein Files, Jasmine Crockett, Nicholas Maduro and Mormer. Before

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Speaker 1: we get to doctor Horn, geopolitical analyst Matthew Hoe, who

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Speaker 1: has extensive knowledge of the so called Middle East region,

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Speaker 1: will identify what's at stake in that section of the world.

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Speaker 1: But to get us started, as we continue to celebrate

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Speaker 1: Women's History Month, doctor Denise Turley will be here. But

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Speaker 1: before we do all that, let's get Kevin to reopen

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Speaker 1: the classroom doors for us.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Kevin, Grand Rising, indeed, Girl Nelson my man.

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Speaker 2: At the fifth day of March, and spring can't be

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Speaker 2: far behind. We expecting warmer temperatures today, so it'll give

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Speaker 2: you a spring like feeling in spite of everything that's

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Speaker 2: going and on that might bring some anxiety. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's foggy so far, this morning, but it's gonna burnt

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Speaker 2: off when the sun comes out. So the sun is

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Speaker 2: coming out, so everything should be all right. How you feeling, Carl.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin. I'm still hunting a lot yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but I'm still learning. I know I'm gonna learn a

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Speaker 1: lot this morning as well. Between the doctor Denise Turley,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Hoe and also doctor Gerald Horn well.

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Speaker 2: As the saying that goes if you observe deeply, everything

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Speaker 2: is your teacher.

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Speaker 3: So that's why.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Neeli, I'm telling you Kevin Neely Fuller will be

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Speaker 1: it's so proud of you. Oh yeah, he's just one

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Speaker 1: of his better students. You know, when you teach something

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Speaker 1: and and then you hear the student repeats it that

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Speaker 1: he got it. So you know a lot of times

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Speaker 1: the teachers don't get that feedback. So Neili full wherever

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Speaker 1: you are, he said, Kevin got.

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Speaker 2: It humously giving you props there, doctor right, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: I tell you Meanwhile, man, the potential conflicts over celebrating

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Speaker 2: America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and it's spilling out

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Speaker 2: saw the play Hamilton, but it said history has its

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Speaker 2: eyes on you, and some of the protesters has a

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Speaker 2: its eyes on you. Donald Trump Congressional The Democrats yesterday

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Speaker 2: accused the Trump administration of trying to hijack plans to

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Speaker 2: celebrate America's two hundred fiftieth anniversary and using the nonprofit

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Speaker 2: National Park Foundation to solicit money from private donuts with

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Speaker 2: some of the president's pet projects, like his arch that

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Speaker 2: he wants to build in the nation's capital, and during

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Speaker 2: a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary commemoration, US Representative Jarrett

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Speaker 2: Huffman said President Donald Trump and his allies are attempting

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Speaker 2: to use the celebration to promote an alternate reality.

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Speaker 3: You know what that means, Ray.

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Speaker 1: Carl, Yeah, man, we heard that before.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to take all of the D and the

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Speaker 2: and turn it into something else. They're saying he's going

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Speaker 2: to hijack the country's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and

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Speaker 2: sell access, hide his donors, and rewrite history. Democratic Representative

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Speaker 2: Maxine Dexter of Oregon Voice concerned that the White House

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Speaker 2: led initiative called Freedom to fifty is using public money

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Speaker 2: fifty and he's co mingling with private donations. So is

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Speaker 2: that the shell game? You know, find the queen and

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Speaker 2: he moves the cards around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just another grift, That's what it sounds like,

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Speaker 1: Like Trump University, the Trump Bible, the Trump liquor. You know,

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Speaker 3: The Trump tennis shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's a salesman. He's a huckster.

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Speaker 1: Let me had this real quick though, though, Kevin before

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to hell? And I think it

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Speaker 1: He's not. He won't. This guy called him upset man.

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Speaker 1: The Faith brother said, Donald Trump not going a hell?

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Speaker 1: What kind of stuff is that to go to hell?

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 1: What you have to do?

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Speaker 2: His His uh disclaimer was I have no heaven or

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Speaker 3: So so there you go. Let's remember he said.

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Speaker 2: But that's religion, and we stay out of that religiosity

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Speaker 1: It's a belief system.

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Speaker 2: It is a belief system, and that's a certain kind

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Speaker 2: HECSEF had said an American submarine sank an Iranian warship

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Speaker 2: Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Arakchi said the US had perpetrated

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Speaker 2: Right Meanwhile, the US Senate rejects a bid to curb

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Speaker 2: the Chamber of Congress largely backing the president's decision to

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Speaker 2: Women's History Month, and my featured person for this month

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Speaker 2: It's a new device and a technique to remove cataracts.

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Speaker 2: It performed all steps of cataract removal, making the incision,

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Speaker 2: destroying the lens, and vacuuming out the fractured pieces. Bath

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Speaker 2: She died May thirty of twenty eighteen, and after completing

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Speaker 2: an ophthalmology residency at New York University, she completed a

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Speaker 3: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's amazing. You know, we just have some

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're doing this feature. So you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes we don't really don't know how super talented exceptional

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Speaker 1: But you know, we got to thank you for putting

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: her device is that she to this day, it's being

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Speaker 2: I've heard i think, commercials for such a device. And

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Speaker 2: she received her Bachelor of Arts degree in chemistry from

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Speaker 3: She's been to every school, it seems.

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Speaker 2: And so that yes, that is once again Patricia bath

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Speaker 2: At the inventor of laser faco cataract surgery.

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Speaker 1: And how do you spell the last name again? Kevin

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Speaker 3: You know, take one, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, definitely our notable forward today March fifth.

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Speaker 2: And that's the way it is, Carl, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 1: doctor Denise Turley Is. She's an educator, doctor Turley. Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 6: Grand Rising, Good morning. How are you.

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Speaker 1: We're still learning, doctor Turler, We're still I just learned

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Speaker 1: a little bit where Kevin just told us about these

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Speaker 1: You're one of our talented sisters. But you work with AI.

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Speaker 6: Oh so, I've been working in technology for years, well

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Speaker 6: used always turned to technology to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you are you pushing for us to

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Speaker 1: keep hearing that AI is going to take all our jobs,

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Speaker 1: which is which is real? Are they going to take

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Speaker 6: You know, I think both of those statements are true, right,

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Speaker 6: So I think that is AI going to take jobs? Absolutely,

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Speaker 6: And we're starting to see that happen already now. And

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Speaker 6: more companies using AI to replace jobs that some of

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Speaker 9: You can make all this money and whatnot. And I

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much. I think it's a fantastic

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Speaker 6: the whole thing, but just a little bit because that

437
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Speaker 6: song is AI and so it's getting almost impossible to tell,

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Speaker 6: which is what's scary.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 6: So a year ago, two years ago, we would see

441
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Speaker 6: images that would come up and sometimes people would try

442
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Speaker 6: to make videos using AI, but they just went very

443
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Speaker 6: good somebody would have like six fingers right there. It

444
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Speaker 6: would be weird. They couldn't really smile, their teeth would

445
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Speaker 6: look wrong. You could tell it was AI. If it

446
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Speaker 6: was abstract art, it was harder to differentiate, but you

447
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Speaker 6: could still tell that this wasn't a great picture. Well,

448
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 6: all of that has changed now. The technology has done

449
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Speaker 6: so good. It's so hard to discern what is a

450
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Speaker 6: deep fake or not. And that's what we call it

451
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Speaker 6: deep fakes. I don't know. If you guys have been

452
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Speaker 6: scrolling through some of these social media platforms, there's you know, TikTok,

453
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Speaker 6: YouTube shorts, all of those, and there's videos on there

454
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Speaker 6: now where I don't know. I'm telling my husband, I

455
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Speaker 6: don't I don't think that that's real.

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Speaker 8: Like this, it's.

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Speaker 6: Making people appear to stay and do things that they

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Speaker 6: haven't done.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And it's getting it's getting really hard for us to

461
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Speaker 6: tell what's real and what's not called so it's it's

462
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Speaker 6: it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

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Speaker 6: Uh? I don't think it's a good thing. I think

465
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Speaker 6: that we will struggle with how do we trust if

466
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Speaker 6: I don't know that this is real? So I think

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Speaker 6: that we're definitely. The technology moving at such a fast

468
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Speaker 6: pace that we're struggling to really cheap up so that

469
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Speaker 6: we can know if it's real. I know some of

470
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Speaker 6: the tech companies are working on embedding uh embedding codes

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Speaker 6: so that they'll know it's AI and you'll know it AI. So,

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Speaker 6: for example, if I generate an image using Google Gemini,

473
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Speaker 6: it now has a little logo so that you can

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Speaker 6: tell it's AI generated that didn't exist a year ago.

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Speaker 6: And so they've added that. And I know that they're

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Speaker 6: working on more ways to show that something is AI generated.

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Speaker 1: Twenty away from the top, they our family just joined us.

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Speaker 1: I guess it is doctor Denise Turley. She says we

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Speaker 1: need to lean into AI. But again and she admitted,

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Speaker 1: it's going to take away some jobs. It's used in music,

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Speaker 1: for example, doctor Turley, the song that you did. The

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Speaker 1: musicians who play all the instruments, they're being replaced, never

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Speaker 1: mind the vocalist. They're losing jobs. How does it? How

484
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Speaker 1: does it you know? How do you how do you

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Speaker 1: compute that if it's taken away jobs, it is a

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Speaker 1: good thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't I think any time that we're losing

488
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Speaker 6: a job. If you're the person impacted. It's never going

489
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Speaker 6: to feel like it's a good thing, right, I mean,

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Speaker 6: these are real people with real lives. But we've been

491
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Speaker 6: through these types of revolutions before, where industry is changed

492
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Speaker 6: and jobs changed, right, like even going way back when

493
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Speaker 6: we in horse and carriage with how we got around,

494
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Speaker 6: and then the car came right, so things change. People

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Speaker 6: who used to make the carriages no longer had a

496
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Speaker 6: job because everybody's driving these new fancy cars. So we've

497
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Speaker 6: been here before. Things will continue to change and we

498
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: will do what we've always done, is that we will

499
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Speaker 6: learn how to adapt. We will have to learn to

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Speaker 6: get the news skills that are now in demand. And

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00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 6: so that's why I'm encouraging people if you haven't already

502
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Speaker 6: start learning AI. The computer came in, you know, years

503
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Speaker 6: and years ago, we all had to start. You know,

504
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 6: if people were using typewriters, now they were typing on

505
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Speaker 6: a computer and they had to use computer software, which

506
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Speaker 6: we've never done before. So this is a new thing

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Speaker 6: that we've never done before. But throughout society, we've done

508
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 6: so many things over you know, the last several hundred

509
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Speaker 6: years that feel uncomfortable when they first come out ten

510
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Speaker 6: years from now is just going to be part of

511
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Speaker 6: the norm, right, It's what we do.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But doctor Turley's is that I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: if it's good or bad for society, because, as you say,

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Speaker 1: we can't tell the difference, you know, And I'm Kevin's

516
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Speaker 1: going to try and see if he can if he

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Speaker 1: if he can play that song, you know, because he's

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Speaker 1: an artist as well, so he's got it's got a

519
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: pound in this fight, if you will, because he's it's

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00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: going to impact people like him and all the artists

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Speaker 1: who are out there. So explain to us, is there

522
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Speaker 1: a school? Did you have to take courses to do this?

523
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: To learn AI or the people like this you have

524
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Speaker 1: to go to people like yourself to teach it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that it's starting to be more in schools,

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Speaker 6: so we're in it. I mentioned that we've gone through

527
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Speaker 6: different changes and revolutions before, but usually they came a

528
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Speaker 6: little bit slower so we had more time to react,

529
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Speaker 6: to respond, and to prepare. Right now, what's happening is

530
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Speaker 6: the technology is moving so fast everything else is behind.

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Speaker 6: So there are some schools now that are incorporating this

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Speaker 6: into the curriculum. If you talk about can I go

533
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Speaker 6: to college and get a degree in AI and not

534
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Speaker 6: just AI. AI has been around since the late fifties,

535
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Speaker 6: but this is generative AI. It's the next best thing,

536
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Speaker 6: and so there are schools that are teaching this now.

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Speaker 6: It's going to start to be in all of our

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Speaker 6: educational systems K through twelve. If you want to just

539
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Speaker 6: get started learning, though, I think there are so many

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Speaker 6: free courses. Just do a web search to say free

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Speaker 6: AI courses and choose one, or go to anthropic dot

542
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 6: com They've got free courses there. Or what I suggest

543
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Speaker 6: is pick any one tool Google, Gemini, Chat, GPT and

544
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Speaker 6: use it every day for fifteen minutes. Just ask it questions.

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Speaker 6: It can be what should I cook for dinner tonight?

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Speaker 6: It can be I'm going to an event on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: It's a formal attire. I have these three outfits in

548
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Speaker 6: my closet and take pictures of each three outfit and

549
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Speaker 6: say which one should I wear. You can use it

550
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Speaker 6: in your personal life just as much as you can

551
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Speaker 6: use it in your professional life. So I think the

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Speaker 6: best way to learn it is to just start. Don't

553
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Speaker 6: be intimidated. You don't have to know everything to get started.

554
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 6: Just ask the question and it's going to respond and

555
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 6: almost be like an assistant right next to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you see the time when there'll be an AI

557
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Speaker 1: major in college.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there's already there were already AIAI majors in some schools.

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Speaker 6: A lot of that is going to be focused on

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Speaker 6: the traditional AI and machine learning and data.

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Speaker 1: Right and old. Let though, right there, doctor Taylery, the

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Speaker 1: music coming. We got to take a short break. We

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Speaker 1: gotta check the news and traffic and weather in our

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Speaker 1: different cities. Twenty three minutes after the top of day,

565
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Speaker 1: our family discussing AI artificial intelligence with educated doctor Denise Turley.

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Speaker 1: You want to get in on this conversation, reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take you calls after we

569
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Speaker 1: check the news, traffic and weather. That's next.

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Speaker 15: I've been searching through the sides.

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Speaker 16: Can you fall love? That's really not just someone just.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen away from the top of that doctor, I guess

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Speaker 1: he was talking about that was all done by AI

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Speaker 1: artificially intelligence. We'll go back to doctor Turley. Kevin, you're

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Speaker 1: an artist. What do you think, Kevin put your headphones on.

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Speaker 1: It's probably still listening to the record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, that's real nice.

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Speaker 2: It's called found Me a good Man by Aveen some

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Speaker 2: nerd and that's done by a I.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's it's a technological breakthrough, is what I

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Speaker 2: call it. And and but what did you do? You

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Speaker 2: You added the words, you gave the lyrics, you gave

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Speaker 2: it an id idea, and then it created this beautiful

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Speaker 2: avatar as well as the song, the chart, the music.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is ridiculously simple, but the quality

587
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Speaker 6: is beautiful. It's like it's a song that I listened

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Speaker 6: to over and over. So Iveen Sumna, she's not real, right,

589
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Speaker 6: I just made up her name. That's my AI artist.

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Speaker 6: Your song is now I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: That's your non day plume.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah. So that song's available now on Spotify,

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Speaker 6: Apple Music. It's all over the place, right. So the royalties,

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Speaker 6: I get the royal I get the royalties. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 6: I mean there's no woralties right now. But let's imagine

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Speaker 6: in a world where people love it. Yes, go listen

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Speaker 6: to it, go play it, guys. But I thought, you know,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of music out there but there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of music that I like. I've got my own

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Speaker 6: style that I really like that on the hit replay

601
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Speaker 6: and just play again and again and again. Maybe I

602
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Speaker 6: just create my own stuff.

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Speaker 1: Right, But doctor Turley, let me ask Kevin this though,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting what you guys are talking about. Kevin's just

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Speaker 1: slaving in a studio rehearsals. Take on, Take two, Take

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Rally could do is go to the computer

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Speaker 1: and tell him what he wants. Like you how long

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Speaker 1: they'll take you, by the way to create.

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Speaker 5: That fifteen minutes, see Kevin.

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Speaker 6: So truthfully, truthfully, probably about minute. It is so quick.

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Speaker 6: And Kevin, you can message me offline. Anyone who wants

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Speaker 6: to get in touch with just Denise Turley dot com. Wow,

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Speaker 6: but you go to the and you can do this

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 6: on Google Gemini. Again, I keep mentioning to you, there's

615
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: so many tools out there, which one do I buy?

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Speaker 6: Just go get started with Gemini, G E, M I

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Speaker 6: NI dot com by Google. Right, you can create images, videos, music,

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Speaker 6: plus documents and it will teach you how to use

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Speaker 6: an eye. It's got a learning feature. I need.

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Speaker 3: Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Doctor Turley. And as far

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Speaker 2: as the creativity.

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Speaker 16: Go.

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Speaker 2: Do you see it as AI is assisting you in

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Speaker 2: your creativity or are you just giving Ai all the

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Speaker 2: ingredients and it bakes the cake.

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think both versions of those things is an

628
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Speaker 6: assistance right in the end process. Whether it's the one

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Speaker 6: that takes all of my ingredients and then assist me

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Speaker 6: with debate king, or whether it's the one that takes

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Speaker 6: five ingredients and adds seven more. It's all assisting. It's

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Speaker 6: a matter of where and how much.

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Speaker 3: Or you say I want a cake and then it

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Speaker 3: bakes and here you go, here's the cake.

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Speaker 17: Very good.

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Speaker 2: For example, the title found Me a good Man was

637
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Speaker 2: were you thinking were you thinking of finding a good man?

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Speaker 6: And said write, yeah, exactly. So the song is truly

639
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Speaker 6: inspired by my husband. Right, he's just a good man,

640
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Speaker 6: right right. We hear all these songs about other things

641
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Speaker 6: and men and blah blah blah blah blah, and I'm like,

642
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Speaker 6: I'm going to do something different, just a positive thing.

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Speaker 6: It's a true story. I got me a good man.

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Speaker 6: Let me talk about it, you know, And so I

645
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Speaker 6: put in the things that I wanted to talk about

646
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Speaker 6: that was on my mind that morning. Right, This guy,

647
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Speaker 6: he supports me. Whatever my flaws are, he looks past

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Speaker 6: them right like, that's my good man. So I typed

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Speaker 6: out some of you know what I wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 6: I found me a good man. Blah blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 6: and then it helps me. We go back and forth

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Speaker 6: on what the lyrics of the song will be, and

653
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Speaker 6: then we get to a place where I like it.

654
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Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, yeah, I like that. So then I

655
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: take that and I put it in and I say, okay,

656
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Speaker 6: let's create a song. And this is the style that

657
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Speaker 6: I like. I like R and B, I like soulful music.

658
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 6: It's a woman artist that's singing. You put all of

659
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Speaker 6: these artistic directions in and then it gives you a result.

660
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 6: And then if you don't like it, you can tweak it.

661
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 6: You can go back and you can say, you know, no,

662
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: add a hook at a rap in the middle, where

663
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Speaker 6: do the bridge. I'm not a musician, so imagine the

664
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Speaker 6: magic that you walk streat because you know, you know

665
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: all of the technical things that you do today, so

666
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: you can make something so much better than what I have.

667
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 6: But yes, choose your genre, choose your style, choose the vocal,

668
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 6: do a mix of a man in woman. It is

669
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Speaker 6: all at your finger tips, ridiculously cheap. I put this,

670
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: It's out on TikTok, It's everywhere, and I use a

671
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Speaker 6: different method for distribution. You're about to blow up.

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Speaker 3: You hear that story. I'm sorry, Carl.

673
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Speaker 1: Now, I was going to ask you. I was gonna

674
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Speaker 1: tell you, Kevin, you could be the next Barry Gordy.

675
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Speaker 1: We had Kerry Gardy on here a couple of days

676
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Speaker 1: about his dad, the bowtail artist. And you would have

677
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: to go through all of the headaches so that the

678
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Speaker 1: Barry had to go to babysit. Some of these artists

679
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: and the band.

680
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: And your talent on the one complain. The band will

681
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Speaker 2: show up when you need them too.

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Speaker 6: That's right, that's right. And if you want to work

683
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Speaker 6: at in the morning, you don't need your band complaining.

684
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 6: You just would when you want work. And it comes

685
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 6: under one hundred dollars. You can create an entire album

686
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Speaker 6: for under one hundred dollars including distribution.

687
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Speaker 3: Now do you remember this story.

688
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Speaker 2: There was a young lady the the AI artist she

689
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Speaker 2: created I think was nominated for a Grammy or something,

690
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: and then they absolutely they found out it was Ai.

691
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Speaker 2: So now there's a dispute as to whether or not

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Speaker 2: that it can be awarded this, you know, AI assisted music,

693
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Speaker 2: whether it's can it be awarded as part of the

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Speaker 2: Grammy of Culture?

695
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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Well, my guess is that it will not be awarded

697
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Speaker 6: just yet. Why. Well, because a lot of these awards,

698
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Speaker 6: a lot of the things that are in place today,

699
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Speaker 6: it's based on an award of human action, human creativity,

700
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Speaker 6: human songwriters, human singers. We haven't yet figured out well wait,

701
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Speaker 6: what does mean? Like you just said, where does AI

702
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Speaker 6: assist mean? We haven't figured out yet. How do we

703
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Speaker 6: give awards? How do we give recognition? What peace did

704
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Speaker 6: the human do? And what peace did the AI do?

705
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Speaker 6: So I think we're still trying to figure that out.

706
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Speaker 6: I think over time it will change the because we

707
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Speaker 6: will have to move into a new world of acceptance.

708
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Speaker 6: We're just not there yet. And one of the things

709
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Speaker 6: that you want to.

710
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Speaker 2: Highlight rewarding itself eventually, then I judges.

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Speaker 6: Right, and this this creator, by the way, she signed

712
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Speaker 6: a multi million dollar record deal.

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Speaker 11: Guy.

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Speaker 6: This is what I'm trying to let you know. This

715
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Speaker 6: isn't just a bad There's real money to be made here.

716
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Speaker 6: Imagine if your job is creating commercials or doing voiceovers,

717
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Speaker 6: maybe it's not your career today. But if you're one

718
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Speaker 6: of these people who have been laid off in the

719
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Speaker 6: DC area, we'd hit hard with government layoffs. Think about

720
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Speaker 6: all the opportunities now for business that you could get

721
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Speaker 6: into that you never dreamed possible. That's the message I

722
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Speaker 6: was here today.

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Speaker 2: I think a great idea would be to have AI

724
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Speaker 2: create the song. Then you take that song into the

725
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Speaker 2: studio and do it yourself, because there's the.

726
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Speaker 3: Fun of it.

727
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Speaker 2: See, there's that there's that creative juice, that passion inside

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 3: So you have as a question, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: How much would that cost? And what if I don't

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Speaker 6: have money? And more importantly, what if I personally can't

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Speaker 6: even hold another I can't sing for anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, those who are tone death might have to

734
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Speaker 2: stick with that. But right, yeah, but that's another opportunity.

735
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Speaker 2: That's another opportunity, another way of looking at it, where

736
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Speaker 2: you oh, yeah, we thought you love you know, the

737
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: song is gonna work, you know, so then you just

738
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Speaker 2: go and record it to yourself.

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Speaker 6: Well then what about I think it's will I am

740
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Speaker 6: there's a few people who just create mass producing albums.

741
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Speaker 6: It's then like three in a year, I forget exactly

742
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Speaker 6: who it is, so I won't I won't guess and

743
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Speaker 6: make it wrong. But think about songwriting. What used to

744
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Speaker 6: maybe take days, sometimes even weeks. Now these artists who've

745
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Speaker 6: got all this real talent, they can create a song

746
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Speaker 6: in like five minutes, you know, just by giving it

747
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Speaker 6: the theme, giving it the little things they want to

748
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Speaker 6: call out. And they're so talented already they can produce

749
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Speaker 6: quality in a fraction of the time it used.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end of the day, when you're

751
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Speaker 2: dancing or singing along, Yep, you don't care where the

752
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Speaker 2: music came from anyway, as long as it's music, the.

753
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Speaker 6: Beat that's exactly and the one the one you just played.

754
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Speaker 6: I mean, people love it when they hear it.

755
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Speaker 3: It's very pretty.

756
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Speaker 6: So whether it's music, whether it's creating artwork, whether it

757
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Speaker 6: is I create story books for my granddaughter because I

758
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Speaker 6: want her to see books with little girls that represent her,

759
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Speaker 6: and so I don't want her to see pictures of

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Speaker 6: other people. I want her to see herself and her sister,

761
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Speaker 6: and her mom and her dad and her family. I'm

762
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Speaker 6: not talented enough to create books and do the illustration.

763
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Speaker 6: You can write a story, but now I can do

764
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 6: that in ten minutes and then pay twenty bucks and

765
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Speaker 6: get it shipped and have a hard copy that she

766
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Speaker 6: can fit and read. So think about the that's one.

767
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Speaker 6: That's another opportunity for a new job, a new business.

768
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Speaker 6: Two if you just want to do it for yourself.

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Speaker 6: We keep talking about representation. That's part of the reason

770
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Speaker 6: that I speak up. I never had anyone to mention

771
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Speaker 6: me that nobody who looked like me that I could

772
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Speaker 6: assire to call asked me earlier? Am I trying to

773
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Speaker 6: reach the many many women who maybe got laid off? Yes,

774
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Speaker 6: we need more people in these careers and generating their

775
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Speaker 6: own wealth, not putting it in somebody else's hands.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me John here because a grandpa a break.

777
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Speaker 1: But what about people who already have a business. How

778
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Speaker 1: can they? How can how can this AI help them?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Do you want me to hold it to left of

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Speaker 6: the break?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, because we're looking at the clocket. I don't

783
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: want to get you started. But yeah, when you come back,

784
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: tell us. And when we come back, also, Matthew hoh

785
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: is going to join us, I say, on, Matthew Hoe

786
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: is a political analyst. She's gonna explain what's going on

787
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Speaker 1: in the so called Middle East, and I want you

788
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Speaker 1: to address that issue too. How can AI be affected?

789
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Speaker 1: How can they use AI? The war games and we

790
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Speaker 1: call them war games, but it's a reality, it's real

791
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: that's going on in AI with Iran under attack. How

792
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: can we know what's real and and what's and what's

793
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Speaker 1: not AI was? You know, because you can fool a

794
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of people. Family, you two can get in on

795
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Speaker 1: this conversation with our guest, doctor Denise Turley. She's an

796
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Speaker 1: educator and she's she's pushing first to get involved in AI.

797
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Speaker 1: She says, we need to embrace AI. There's a lot

798
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Speaker 1: of job opportunities that she heard the song that Kevin

799
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Speaker 1: played that was done by AI. You know, Kevin scratching

800
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Speaker 1: his head in Jamie Seniors all night.

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Speaker 16: What are you.

802
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Speaker 6: Shore?

803
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Speaker 3: How much you mean to me? The one thing.

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Speaker 16: He smkeepm sanity you bring? You bring so much joy

805
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Speaker 16: and the energy. Whoa hold on, wait a minute, take your.

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Speaker 1: Time and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with

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Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. Uh, Mom, Taylor, We're going

808
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: to speak with geopolitical analysts. Matthew how we're going to

809
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on in Iraq. We Doctor Denise

810
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Speaker 1: Turley go, she's busy. She used to tell us about AI.

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Speaker 1: I had so many questions that came into doctor Turley,

812
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Speaker 1: but I know you got to run. Mary can give

813
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: me a yes or no answer on this one. The

814
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Speaker 1: question is are you able to patent a book generated

815
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Speaker 1: by AI? And how? If generated by AI? Can you

816
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Speaker 1: do that? Using AI? Can you do a book? I

817
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: think Doctor Turley left this already, but I think she

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Speaker 1: said Kevin, was it, Doctor Turley.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm here. Yeah, Yeah, lots of people are

820
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Speaker 6: doing that now. And I think the rules are unclear

821
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Speaker 6: about IP and that's not my subject area expertise. But

822
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Speaker 6: I do know that there's a lot of AI generated

823
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Speaker 6: books that have been published.

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Speaker 1: All right, can you take one quick question? Yes, Sandra

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Speaker 1: and Baltimore line too, Grant rise in your question for

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Speaker 1: a Doctor Turley right here.

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Speaker 8: I am fascinated, Doctor. I am a little old lady.

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Speaker 8: I write poetry. I'm retired. I've been wondering how to

829
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Speaker 8: put music to the poetry. So if I have and

830
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Speaker 8: I write with different genres, so if I have my

831
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Speaker 8: poetry that I've been writing since two thousand.

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Speaker 4: What do I do?

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Speaker 8: Just put the poetry on there and ask it to

834
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Speaker 8: go to music.

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Speaker 6: Yes, oh my gosh, and again I love the way

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Speaker 6: you're thinking, right, like, how can I now so? Yes?

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Speaker 6: So if you go to Google Gemini again as an example,

838
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Speaker 6: it can now create music. So you can enter in

839
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Speaker 6: the text of your poem or upload it in a

840
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Speaker 6: document and then describe if you want background music and

841
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Speaker 6: spoken voice. You can also do this in like video

842
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Speaker 6: adding tools, or you could ask it to sing the

843
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Speaker 6: poem or rhyme the poem. Be really specific about the

844
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Speaker 6: kind of voice. There's other somewhere that can do this

845
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Speaker 6: more specifically too, that's more purpose built. But you can

846
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Speaker 6: start playing around with like your Gemini. Then you could

847
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Speaker 6: move on to something like hey, Jen or something called

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Speaker 6: Stuno I mentioned before, and I know car was going

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Speaker 6: to mention my You can reach me at Denise Turley

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Speaker 6: dot com. If you have other questions about tools or

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Speaker 6: software to use, happy to share it. But I love

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Speaker 6: the way you're thinking. How can you take what you

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Speaker 6: do and make it even better or difference or live on?

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Speaker 1: Right? And has to run over?

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Speaker 18: Denise?

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Speaker 8: Really to you who are really want.

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Speaker 6: To you are ali Y dot Com.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Andre, and thank you doctor doctor Charlier,

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Speaker 1: and because all the other folks you know how to

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Speaker 1: get to reach it, and thank you. We've got to

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Speaker 1: do this again. I'm sure if folks learn some stuff

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Speaker 1: this morning, thank you for sharing it with us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, next time we'll jump more specifically into how

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Speaker 6: a I can have your business?

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Speaker 1: Grand rising, Grand Rising, Doctor Denise Turley. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: move on three minutes after the top. Yeah, let's turn

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Speaker 1: our attention down to geopolitically and Lisa Matthew ho grand Rising, Matthew,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Carl, it's good to talk with you.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is since it's a conflict starting run, we're

871
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what what's really going on. You

872
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Speaker 1: you you know the era, you know, you intimately know

873
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Speaker 1: the area, you've been there, you know the players.

874
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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 1: First question I asked you, is the United States Donald

876
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Speaker 1: Trump bit enough more than they can chew?

877
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Speaker 4: Well?

878
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Speaker 12: Uh, I think that that's that's a fear that many

879
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Speaker 12: in the US who are analysts have, whether it is

880
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 12: the size of the American military, the fact that it

881
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Speaker 12: is over extended with commitments around the world, the concern

882
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Speaker 12: that the American defense industrial system cannot produce munitions as

883
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Speaker 12: well as keep planes and ships and other pieces of equipment.

884
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Speaker 19: Whole and ready for use.

885
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Speaker 12: In a manner to sustain a war. Whether it's just

886
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Speaker 12: the fact that we don't know what the purposes of

887
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Speaker 12: this war are. We see the administration not just every day, Carl,

888
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Speaker 12: but seemingly every several hours, somebody saying something different or

889
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Speaker 12: contradictory to what someone else just said about the purposes

890
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Speaker 12: of the war, as well as to why was the

891
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Speaker 12: war started on a Saturday when it seems that the

892
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Speaker 12: United States.

893
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Speaker 20: Didn't have all the forces in.

894
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Speaker 12: The area, wasn't prepared yet, wasn't really ready for this war.

895
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Speaker 12: And then of course the lack of clarity on what

896
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Speaker 12: the objectives are, what is the purpose, and how long

897
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Speaker 12: will it take? And how will the United States know

898
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Speaker 12: when its mission is accomplished? And of course using that

899
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Speaker 12: phrase mission accomplished, because that's what George W. Bush said

900
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Speaker 12: about the Iraq War May one, two thousand and three,

901
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Speaker 12: and of course that war didn't end for many, many

902
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Speaker 12: years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Five, at the top of our family, we did

904
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Speaker 1: a hard turn and geopolitical analyst Matthew Hoe with us,

905
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Speaker 1: and you're right, they have not really laid out why

906
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump decided to attack Iran first, that Marchael Rubia

907
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Speaker 1: says because of Israel. Israel, it was going to move first.

908
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Speaker 1: Then we heard that they were going to attack us,

909
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Speaker 1: and then we heard they were going to attack Donald Trump.

910
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Speaker 1: They were going to assassinate Donald Trump at least rookie mistakes.

911
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Speaker 1: How do you say all this, Matthew.

912
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Speaker 12: It's really hard to explain this, particularly Carl right. For

913
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Speaker 12: a war of choice, this is not a war where

914
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Speaker 12: the United States didn't get to choose the time and

915
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Speaker 12: the place.

916
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Speaker 19: Of the attack.

917
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Speaker 12: So this confusion, this lack of preparation, I don't want

918
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Speaker 12: to call it amateur. I mean, maybe you could say

919
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Speaker 12: that about Pete Hegsath because he as many people, including

920
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Speaker 12: many Republicans, were afraid that he is severely underqualified for

921
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Speaker 12: the position. But you know, this is Donald Trump's second term.

922
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Speaker 12: Mark or Rubio has been in Washington, d C. For many,

923
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Speaker 12: many years. You know that certainly the men and women

924
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Speaker 12: at the top rank, so the US military, the generals

925
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Speaker 12: and the admirals who planned this operation, who are carrying

926
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Speaker 12: out this war, have been in the military for thirty

927
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Speaker 12: or forty years each. So the excuse that it's amateur

928
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Speaker 12: hour is more more I would I would say it's

929
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Speaker 12: it's more aligned with saying that this is just absolute incompetency,

930
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Speaker 12: and that should really give everyone a great deal of

931
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Speaker 12: pause here that this, you know, within the first week,

932
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Speaker 12: we already have all these contradictions, all this confusion, as

933
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Speaker 12: well as just again a lack of clarity on what

934
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Speaker 12: they want to achieve, you know, and you see.

935
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Speaker 20: Them not just the top leadership.

936
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Speaker 12: You see this with members of Congress who support the war,

937
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 12: their confusion, their lack of clarity, as well as you know,

938
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Speaker 12: the proxies for the administration that are appearing on cable

939
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Speaker 12: news or in the newspapers or on social media. So

940
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Speaker 12: it doesn't seem like anyone really has an idea of why.

941
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Speaker 4: We're doing this, how we are going to go about.

942
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Speaker 12: Doing this, and when we will know we is in

943
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Speaker 12: the United States, the public will know when the administration

944
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Speaker 12: has achieved it.

945
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Speaker 19: It's hired results, it ends.

946
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Speaker 1: And we don't even know what that is.

947
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Speaker 20: So that's Exactually it makes it very difficult.

948
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Speaker 21: Rob.

949
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Speaker 12: I just you listen to Hegseeth yesterday, he says these

950
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Speaker 12: comments that you know, Carl, he said, uh, this is

951
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Speaker 12: not a war about regime change, but we've killed a

952
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Speaker 12: lot of Iranian leaders, so regime change has happened. I mean,

953
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Speaker 12: it just doesn't even make any sense what these people

954
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Speaker 12: are saying, you.

955
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Speaker 1: Know, you know, I have to think to Matthew, they said,

956
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Speaker 1: he said about a month of six weeks most and

957
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Speaker 1: then he says, we're prepared to go as long as

958
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Speaker 1: we can, and even to the fact that they may

959
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Speaker 1: have to put boots on the ground. Do you think

960
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Speaker 1: when if that ever happens, that American troops are any

961
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Speaker 1: rock you think that's the whole that will change the

962
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Speaker 1: entire equation.

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Speaker 4: Oh?

964
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, I mean as soon as you put American soldiers

965
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Speaker 12: into Iran, things will dramatically change. I mean that's hard

966
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 12: to imagine, right of course, with the violence being inflicted

967
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Speaker 12: on Iran so far, I mean according to the Iranian

968
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Speaker 12: and as of you know, several hours ago, a thousand

969
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Speaker 12: Iranians have been killed, more than one hundred and fifty

970
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 12: cities and towns and military sites have been bombed, So

971
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Speaker 12: just a tremendous amount of violence. Of the scale this

972
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Speaker 12: military assault is great, but when you put form forces

973
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Speaker 12: directly onto the ground, and I would envision the way

974
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Speaker 12: that this administration, the way they speak about it, as

975
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Speaker 12: well as just understanding how the United Sates military has

976
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Speaker 12: conducted operations over the last couple of decades, how it

977
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Speaker 12: has evolved. Not really want to exposing large amounts of

978
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Speaker 12: American ground troops to risk. You would think that what

979
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Speaker 12: they're likely going to do, and this is what they

980
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Speaker 12: have said through leaks to the press, that they will

981
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Speaker 12: United States will arm sectarian groups within Iran. Iran, of course,

982
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Speaker 12: is a very diverse country, many different ethnicities there, and

983
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Speaker 12: the idea would be that United stations with arm separatist

984
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Speaker 12: groups within these various sects, principally the way that the

985
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 12: administration speaks, they're talking about the Kurds who are predominantly

986
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Speaker 12: in the west of Iran, and in US special forces

987
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Speaker 12: would be there as advisors to help supply them with weapons,

988
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Speaker 12: to help call it airstrikes, and to do other types

989
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Speaker 12: of actions like you saw American special forces doing with

990
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Speaker 12: Kurdish forces in Syria for the better part of ten

991
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Speaker 12: or a dozen years or so. So I think you know,

992
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Speaker 12: once you're in that situation that changes the calculus for everyone.

993
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 12: It changes certainly the understanding of the Iranians, not just

994
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Speaker 12: the government, but the people of what that stake here.

995
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Speaker 4: It puts into.

996
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Speaker 12: The thought of the heads of many in the region

997
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 12: that is Iran going to turn into a Syria or

998
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 12: Iraq or Yugoslavia post nineteen ninety one? Are we going

999
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 12: to see that type of intra fighting, that type of

1000
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Speaker 12: civil war, And then of course the instability that comes

1001
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Speaker 12: from that, the math, displacement of refugees. I mean, it's

1002
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Speaker 12: very easy to see how, even though this is a

1003
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Speaker 12: regional war already, how this could get much worse if

1004
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 12: American ground troops are put into Iran. And then of

1005
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 12: course the understanding of will the American public accept American

1006
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 12: ground troops dying in war for a war that they

1007
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 12: don't understand, for which there's no clear objectives, there's no timeline.

1008
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 12: And even at this point, you know, Broiders did a

1009
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 12: poll Carl over the weekend and it was about one

1010
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 12: in four Americans support this war. So there's already no

1011
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 12: support for this war. And historically American wars Korea, Vietnam,

1012
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 12: the Iraq War, Afghanistan, etc. Have generally high degrees of

1013
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 12: popular support among the American public at the outset of

1014
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 12: the war, and then or time that support for the

1015
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 12: war wanes, it drops quite fantastically in all those cases.

1016
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Speaker 12: In this case, you're talking about a war that doesn't

1017
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 12: even have public support to begin with. So again, for

1018
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 12: a war of choice, why did the United States launch

1019
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 12: this when you know all of these factors say this

1020
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 12: is shaping up to be a catastrophe or could be

1021
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 12: a catastrophe, I should say, you know, and the risk

1022
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 12: involved in that? Why is the administration willing to take that?

1023
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 14: All? Right?

1024
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Family, just checking in twelve minutes out of the top

1025
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Speaker 1: of that, I've actually joined us on this Thursday month,

1026
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Speaker 1: I guess there's a geo political analyst, his name is

1027
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Matthew Hope discussing the attack on Iran question for you, Matthew.

1028
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: On the surface, he looks like the only person who

1029
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: or people who are going to benefit from this is Israel.

1030
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: Didnttany how is sort of trick and Donald Trump into

1031
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: this and bait him into getting involved in this. Our

1032
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: troops are doing something that his troops can't do, don't

1033
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: have the manpower to do it. How do you see that?

1034
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 12: Well, there are I think, like many many things, Carl,

1035
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 12: there are many you know, mothers and fathers to this,

1036
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 12: this war, you know. But you know, certainly you're already

1037
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 12: hearing talk of a fifty billion dollar budget supplemental for

1038
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 12: the Pentagon. You know, so weapons contractors are going to

1039
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 12: benefit greatly from this. You know, you have various other

1040
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 12: industries in the United States, whether it be the fossil

1041
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 12: fuel industry or the tech industry, that would benefit greatly

1042
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Speaker 12: from this as well as too. There's just simply been

1043
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 12: an obsession with Iran among the American foreign policy community

1044
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 12: elite and a demonization of Iran over the last forty

1045
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 12: five plus years in the United States that recognizes Iran

1046
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 12: as America's, if not principal adversary, one of its top

1047
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 12: two or three adversaries. Would I would say since nineteen

1048
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Speaker 12: seventy nine, if you were to ask American public and

1049
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 12: certainly members of Congress, who are America's adversaries, ran consistently

1050
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Speaker 12: with ranking the top three. I mean, so you have

1051
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 12: a lot of different reasons for this.

1052
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 20: But if your assemble all these reasons in a room,

1053
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Speaker 20: Israel would.

1054
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 12: Have a seat at the front of the room. So

1055
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Speaker 12: there are multiple reasons, but also to the issue of

1056
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 12: Israel here and the conflation of American and Israeli interests.

1057
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 12: You know, that's a that's a very it's it's that

1058
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 12: is a complex historical process, very much like the you know,

1059
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 12: question of which comes first, chicken or the egg in

1060
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 12: terms of how does that how does that relationship develop?

1061
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 12: But it is there, it is intertwined, it is intersected,

1062
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 12: it is a mutual one. And you know, certainly the

1063
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 12: idea that the United States is carrying this out to

1064
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 12: support the interests of Israel's policies.

1065
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 19: Throughout the region are there.

1066
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Speaker 5: You did.

1067
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Speaker 12: The establishment of Israeli dominance in the Middle East is

1068
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 12: a clear policy. It has been a clear policy of

1069
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 12: American governments as well as of course the Israeli government.

1070
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Speaker 12: And then more specifically, you have this idea of Israel's

1071
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 12: expansion and in particular, say in this case the ongoing

1072
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 12: process to annext to the West Bank, and that has

1073
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 12: always been Israel's priority. And so this operation, this war

1074
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 12: against the Iran, like previous operations and conflicts and wars

1075
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Speaker 12: carried out the last several years by Israel and the

1076
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Speaker 12: United States, say in Lebanon and Syria against Yemen, et cetera.

1077
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 12: Of course, Gaza, you can understand those wars to have been,

1078
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 12: those military operations to have been operations that are meant

1079
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 12: to isolate the West Bank, so that the west palsting

1080
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 12: is the West Bank have no support, No one can interfere,

1081
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 12: no one can provide help to the Powerstinians, whether that

1082
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 12: be political, diplomatic, financial, economic, military, and so by that

1083
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 12: isolation of the West Bank, the annexation is able to proceed.

1084
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 12: And I think my understanding, many others understanding, is that

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Speaker 12: from the Israeli perspective, you need to attack Iran and

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Speaker 12: take Iran out of the picture, not just to ensure

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Speaker 12: is really dominance in the region, not just to say,

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Speaker 12: neutralize Iran's ability to defend itself or defend its allies,

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Speaker 12: but more so to isolate the West Bank from any assistance.

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Speaker 12: So as the Israeli annexation of the West Bank goes forward,

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Speaker 12: there are not obstacles or hindrances or anybody who can

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Speaker 12: get in the way of that annexation.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold on thought with that, Matthew, we got

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Speaker 1: to take a short break. A family. You want to

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Speaker 1: get in on this conversation. You're concerned about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in Iran? Who the players are. Well, we have

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Speaker 1: a guest who can you know spaill it all out

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Speaker 1: for us. His name is Matthew Hoe. He's a geopolitical

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Speaker 1: analyst and you can reach him at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take yout

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting

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Speaker 1: your Thursday with us. At twenty minutes after the tough

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Speaker 1: they are. We have a political analyst, geopolitical analyst with us,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Hoe. He's been in the region. We're discussing what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Iran. The United States attacked Iran, and

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Speaker 1: Robert in Baltimore has a question for before we go

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Speaker 1: to Robert, who started this, Matthew, because Donald Trump says

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Speaker 1: that the Iranians started it? But from what we see

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Speaker 1: most of us so that the United States attacked Iran.

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Speaker 19: Well, it's certainly in the more.

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Speaker 12: Proximate sais absolutely are the cute, SAIDs the United States

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Speaker 12: data attack Iran, And then in a previous iterations to

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Speaker 12: this conflict, say that June twelve, last war last year,

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Speaker 12: or the strikes between Iran and Israel, two instances of

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Speaker 12: those in twenty twenty four. Those were all precipitated by

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Speaker 12: Israeli strikes on.

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Speaker 19: Iran, either within Iran or on.

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Speaker 12: Targets outside Iran, such as the Iranian diplomatic consulate in

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Speaker 12: Damascus in twenty twenty four. But the roots of us

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Speaker 12: go back much farther. You'll see in the American statements

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Speaker 12: the consistent reminder of the nineteen seventy nine Islamic Revolution

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Speaker 12: which overthrew the Shah of Iran. The Shah, of course,

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Speaker 12: oversaw a police state in Iran, very very repressive, and

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Speaker 12: that police state and that position the Shah occupied was

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Speaker 12: provided to him and kept there by the Americans for decades,

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Speaker 12: And of course for most Iranians they will point to

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Speaker 12: nineteen fifty three, which was the year that the Americans

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Speaker 12: and the British overthrew it democratically elected government in Tehran

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Speaker 12: and put in.

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Speaker 19: Power the Shah.

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Speaker 12: So there are both, but both places you can start

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Speaker 12: history that are more recent. But I think most people

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Speaker 12: will say, hey, this, you really need to begin talking

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Speaker 12: about this in nineteen fifty three to at least incorporate

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Speaker 12: or understand the Iranian perspective in this GOT.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two half the top as I mentioned Robertson reaching

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Speaker 1: out to us from Baltimore has a question or a

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Speaker 1: comment verse online One gun rising, Robert, you're on with Matthew.

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Speaker 13: Ho all right, grand rising man.

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Speaker 22: I'm going back to a comment you made a little earlier.

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Speaker 13: About sending special forces to the advisors to.

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Speaker 23: Who do you say occurags?

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Speaker 22: Well, if we think back in then another scenario.

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Speaker 13: That that's how it went down and South Vietnam, it

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Speaker 13: was it. Our special force and advisors were.

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Speaker 22: There to help them fight the North be.

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Speaker 13: And manse And guess what, we got pulled right into

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Speaker 13: your bullgrap. You got pulled right into it.

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Speaker 22: And and and I think that's the plan, that's the

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Speaker 22: master plan because we don't know what them nuts. Is

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Speaker 22: a sitting back talking about you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's give me a chance to brown Robert and

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Speaker 1: and Matthew. Thank you Rob for your call. Matthew, can

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Speaker 1: he tell explain to the family who are the Kurds?

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Speaker 1: What country did they represent? Since are they backed by

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Speaker 1: uh the Trump administration?

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Speaker 12: Well, the Kurds are an ethnic minority in or On,

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Speaker 12: just as they are an ethnic minority in Iraq, in

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Speaker 12: Syria and Turkey. They are essentially a people without a state.

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Speaker 19: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They I think they may be. I think they might be.

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Speaker 12: The largest, the largest stateless.

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Speaker 19: Group of people in the world. Uh.

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Speaker 12: And so, particularly in the modern era following post World

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Speaker 12: War One, the redrawing of the boundaries of the Middle

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Speaker 12: East by the European powers, a lot of various ethnicities, groups,

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Speaker 12: sects were disenfranchised, or they had a border that was

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Speaker 12: put through their population that divided their historic lands. And

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Speaker 12: so the Kurds are representative of that. The Kurds have

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Speaker 12: had a fractious relationship, to put it politely, with every

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Speaker 12: country in which they reside Turkey, of course, and the

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Speaker 12: Kurds have fought essentially a war, a guerrilla war for decades.

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Speaker 12: The Kurds in Iraq were fighting the Iraqi government, often

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Speaker 12: with American help, as long as I've been alive. For

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Speaker 12: that hasn't occurred, say in the last couple dozen years,

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Speaker 12: since the American invasion of Iraq in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 12: but certainly Richard nick in Henry Kissinger start arming the

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Speaker 12: Kurds in nineteen seventy three. I believe it was to

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Speaker 12: fight against the government in Baghdad.

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Speaker 4: Ostensibly because they saw the.

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Speaker 12: Government in Baghdad as being connected to the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 12: so support the Kurds. But then, of course when Aku

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Speaker 12: occurs in nineteen seventy eight, Saddam Hussein comes into power

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Speaker 12: and the connection to the Soviet Union is no longer there,

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Speaker 12: the Americans stops supporting the Kurds. So this is a

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Speaker 12: very twisted tail, a lot of betrayals, a lot of alliances.

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Speaker 12: Certainly the role of the Kurds in the Syrian Civil War,

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Speaker 12: where the United States backed the Kurds there for more

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Speaker 12: than a decade against Bashar al Sad's government. But now

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Speaker 12: in the last several months you've seen the United States

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Speaker 12: flip and no longer is supported, no longer supporting the Kurds.

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Speaker 12: They're pulled their forces, American forces out of Kurdish areas,

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Speaker 12: and the United States has invested with the government, the

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Speaker 12: government in Damascus. I mean, so you've seen this tale

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Speaker 12: for decades now in the in in the story of

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Speaker 12: the Middle East, of just this relationship between the United

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Speaker 12: States and the Kurds, the back and forth. Uh, there's

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Speaker 12: an article in front of me, I haven't read yet,

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Speaker 12: but you know it's a title that article today is

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Speaker 12: the US is now betraying the Kurds for the ace

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Speaker 12: time and not specifically referring to Syria. So this idea

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Speaker 12: that the Kurds may be promised something in Iran that

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Speaker 12: they that the United States will not deliver is something

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Speaker 12: that's historic. And the history here in all this call

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Speaker 12: is really important. And so whether it's specific kind of

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Speaker 12: ving heats, or specific to certain groups or ethnicities, or

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Speaker 12: it's broader, as Robert was bringing up, Yeah, this storyline

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Speaker 12: that this should sound familiar to everybody, that we're going

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Speaker 12: to put advisors in and it's that's all we're gonna do.

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Speaker 12: Just put advisors in. You know, that's exactly what happened

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Speaker 12: in South Vietnam. It's say, the same thing happened in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 12: In two thousand and one. The George of E. B.

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Speaker 12: Bush administration was adamant that we were not going to

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Speaker 12: do nation building in Afghanistan and that the military commitment

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Speaker 12: in Afghanistan was going to be minimal, just advisors. And

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Speaker 12: if people remember there were administration at the Bush administration

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Speaker 12: in two thousand and one. Early two thousand and two

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Speaker 12: faced a political backlash because its refusal to put more

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Speaker 12: troops into Afghanistan was deemed as the reason why Asama

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Speaker 12: bin Laden was able to escape Afghanistan. And so, of

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Speaker 12: course that build up occurs, and you know, twenty years later,

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Speaker 12: the United States is finally getting out of Afghanistan at

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Speaker 12: a cost of over two trillion dollars, about twenty five

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Speaker 12: hundred American soldiers killed, hundreds of thousands of Afghans killed

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Speaker 12: and wounded, and a cost of a direct cost of

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Speaker 12: that war of about two two or two and a

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Speaker 12: half trillion dollars. So I mean, all the historical parallels here,

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Speaker 12: all the historical warnings.

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Speaker 10: All the.

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Speaker 12: Evidence we have of what may occur. You know, minded

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Speaker 12: of course, of what Mark Twain said, history may not

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Speaker 12: repeat itself, but it certainly Ken Rhyme.

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Speaker 1: Twenty and alfter Tough. There a family just checking in.

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Speaker 1: That's Matthew who is a geopolitical analysis are reported before

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Speaker 1: from the region. We're telling her about the so called

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Speaker 1: Middle East, if you will, and what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the attack on Iran. Some people want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you also got a tweet question, but you you mentioned Russia.

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Speaker 1: At what point do you think Russia and China will

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Speaker 1: get involved? And if they do, is that going to

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Speaker 1: be the start of World War III.

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Speaker 12: Well, I don't think Paul, there'll be a direct confrontation.

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Speaker 12: Neither the Russian or the Chinese have the military expeditionary

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Speaker 12: capabilities to put say, warships into the Arabian c or

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Speaker 12: the Persian Gulf and defending Iran.

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Speaker 4: Or challenge Oran.

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Speaker 12: I think what you'll see is going to be more diplomatic,

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Speaker 12: more economic, more intelligence. The Russians and the Chinese can

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 12: possibly assist the Iranians with information, although the Iranians do

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Speaker 12: have their own satellites, and they certainly as we've seen

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Speaker 12: with their successful attacks on American military basis, including scoring

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 12: direct hits on really important things like radar domes in

1253
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 12: the first few days, the Iranian intelligence capability is pretty good.

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01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 12: That will get degraded over time. But I think what

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 12: people are looking at is that if the Iranian strategy

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Speaker 12: is successful, and it appears to be moving in that

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Speaker 12: direction in this first week of making this a wider

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Speaker 12: regional war, we've seen that with attacks throughout the Middle East,

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Speaker 12: even reaching to Turkey and to Cyprus, but also to

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Speaker 12: the economic consequences. And now we've seen several ships hit

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Speaker 12: by Iranian missiles or drones in the Persian Gulf, the

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Speaker 12: Straits of Harmuz is closed the Straits of Hermus. Every day,

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Speaker 12: about twenty percent of the world's oil and about twenty

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Speaker 12: percent of its liquid natural gas and about fifteen percent

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Speaker 12: of the world's refined oil products pass through the.

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Speaker 19: Straits of Hamus.

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Speaker 12: China the world's largest manufacturing power, right, bigger manufacturer than

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Speaker 12: the US and the European Union combined by a pretty

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Speaker 12: good deal. They get about forty five percent of their oil,

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Speaker 12: about eleven or twelve million barrels a day every day

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Speaker 12: through the Straits or Harmus. This, you know, there's no

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Speaker 12: way of getting around that, There's no way of saying

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Speaker 12: it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 4: It is a very big deal.

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Speaker 20: And so the consequences then to.

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Speaker 12: The global marks get or say in specifically to the

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Speaker 12: Chinese can be quite grand, might be quite dramatic. So

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Speaker 12: at that point, what do the Chinese do. They're not

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Speaker 12: going to fight the United States militarily, but could they

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Speaker 12: do something like cut off supplies of rare earth minerals

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Speaker 12: and metals to the United States all the things that

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Speaker 12: we need for our weapons, all those.

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Speaker 19: Rare earths.

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Speaker 12: You know that, you know that that power, that that

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 12: power and enable the planes and the missiles to work,

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 12: as well as make our elect make our cars, our phones,

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Speaker 12: our computers work. Maybe the Chinese will shut those off

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 12: if they're not getting their oil from the from the

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Speaker 12: Persian Gulf. Maybe the Chinese will say, the Americans aren't

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Speaker 12: going to get the rare earth minerals from from China

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Speaker 12: because China processes about eighty or almost ninety or eighty

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Speaker 12: between eighty and ninety percent of the various earth middle

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Speaker 12: ols and medals in the world. So h the UH,

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Speaker 12: you know, possibilities here for this turning into a world

1295
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 12: war certainly are there. We've already got a regional war,

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Speaker 12: and war is is just as a principle, impossible to

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Speaker 12: control or manage. But I think that the more likely

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Speaker 12: UH scenario is an economic war that affects the entire globe,

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Speaker 12: and that the United States would not be immune.

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Speaker 1: From twenty eight away from the top there with Matthew Hoe,

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Speaker 1: a geopolitical analyst, of discussion the situation in the so

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Speaker 1: called Middle East, and I keeps saying the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: markam Man, I haven't sent me a question for you, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: But before I go to Mark, let's go to Mark

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore online one. He has a question for you

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Speaker 1: in a comic Grand Rising Market on with Matthew ho.

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Speaker 19: Hey a rising guy.

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Speaker 14: I was driving full o.

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Speaker 24: I don't want you all to eat his noise.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, yeah, man, this this is really really serious, man,

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Speaker 10: get us into World War three. But the thing is

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Speaker 10: I was listening and Sir Trump, I believe was used

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Speaker 10: by yet not metting yahoo. I believe to get us

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Speaker 10: into this war. I believe if he wanted to strike Iran,

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Speaker 10: he should have just went, you know, went on and

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Speaker 10: did it and let us out of it. What do

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Speaker 10: you think about the Republicans not voting to limit Trump's

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Speaker 10: power when we know this man has no clue on

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Speaker 10: what he's talking about as far as the war, and

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Speaker 10: six Americans have died already because we went into this war.

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Speaker 10: So what do you think about the Republicans voting not

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Speaker 10: to limit Trump's power?

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Speaker 1: All right? Thanks Mark, Matthew, Yes, thanks Mark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 12: Appreciate the question, particularly you know you're driving and you

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Speaker 12: pulled over.

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Speaker 20: I appreciate is that.

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Speaker 12: Well, first of all, just you brought up the six

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Speaker 12: service members who been killed already, and people might say, oh,

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Speaker 12: it's a week. It's only six killed. That's not very many.

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Speaker 12: I mean, obviously, this is going well for the United States.

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Speaker 12: Recall that in the invasion of Iraq the first month

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Speaker 12: of the war, the three weeks or so it took

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Speaker 12: the United States to move north to Baghdad and topple

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Speaker 12: the government and take control of the country. When you

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Speaker 12: look at total casualties in that war for the Americans,

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Speaker 12: that openly only represents about three or four percent of

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Speaker 12: overall casualties in that war, you know. I mean, so

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Speaker 12: just because we haven't had a lot of casualties yet

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Speaker 12: doesn't mean we won't. You know, we don't know where

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Speaker 12: this war will go. I mean, I think the more

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Speaker 12: certain somebody is as they speak about this, you know,

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Speaker 12: the less I think they actually know. And that's why

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Speaker 12: I try to be careful and say things like may

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Speaker 12: or might or could be, because you know, again, war

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Speaker 12: is a superhuman force that you can't control, and you

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Speaker 12: can't it's never gonna be your agent. You're gonna be

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Speaker 12: the agent of war. And and and you know, societies

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Speaker 12: have understood that. You go back and look at how

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Speaker 12: to say, the Romans understood war. That's certainly how they

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Speaker 12: did but this this idea mark you were expressing about,

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Speaker 12: you know, the relationship between the US and Israel here,

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Speaker 12: and you know Israel should have done it on their own.

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Speaker 12: You know, Israel simply isn't able to do that. Israel

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Speaker 12: cannot fight this war on its own. It doesn't have

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Speaker 12: the ability UH to defend itself with missiles. It requires

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Speaker 12: the United States Air Force, the United States Navy to

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Speaker 12: do a substantial amount of the shooting down of Iranian

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Speaker 12: missiles and of Iranian drones all as well too. You see,

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Speaker 12: nations like Jordan are also heavily involved in that as well.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't have the ability to Israel does not have

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Speaker 12: the ability to produce uh the munitions, the bombs and

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Speaker 12: the missiles and the rockets and the drones that they

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Speaker 12: need to carry out award. It relies on the US

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Speaker 12: for that. It relies on the United States money in

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Speaker 12: the Gaza campaign, the Gaza genocide, the United States provides

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Speaker 12: about seventy percent of Israel's of the cost of that.

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Speaker 1: So we're not all right there, Matthew, every asked episode

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Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, we gotta check the news,

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather out different cities. When we come back. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you finish your thought. Also, I mentioned Mark from

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Speaker 1: Anaheim Center question for you as well. Twenty four minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top of our family, our guest is

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Speaker 1: Matthew Hoe. He's a geopolitical analyst. Analyst. You got a

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Speaker 1: question about what's going on in Iran, reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls after we

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Speaker 1: check the news. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning with our guess,

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Speaker 1: the geopolitical analyst, the Matthew Hoe, and got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of folks are questions and tweets for Matthew Hoe. I'm

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Speaker 1: coming up late this morning. We're gonna speak with the

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Speaker 1: University of Houston's professor dot Com Gerald Horn. But Matthew,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned in the interest of Tom, I'm going

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Speaker 1: straight to some folks. Got questions for you, Mark Manheim says.

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Speaker 1: He says he always says that Mexico's President Clauda Shinbaum

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Speaker 1: ran her presidential campaign on a platform that she was

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Speaker 1: not obsessed with the drug cartails as was the US

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Speaker 1: and now the drug cartails are very angry after a

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Speaker 1: shootout death of Elmncho atother high ranking drug cartail leaders

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Speaker 1: where Shineberb allowed US intervention because I want to say

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Speaker 1: now that the Trump administration has both Iran and the

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Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartails very angry. Do you see an alliance

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Speaker 1: formed between the Iranians the drug cartails as a potential

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Speaker 1: terrorist threat since the largest Iranian embassy in the world

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Speaker 1: is located in Mexico.

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Speaker 12: No, No, I don't think so. I don't think the

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Speaker 12: Uranians have that type of interest in an alliance with

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Speaker 12: a criminal group like that. That's been the accusation for

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Speaker 12: decades now that the Iranians are involved in things like that,

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Speaker 12: and simply has never have been any evidence in any

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Speaker 12: significant or substantial manner that demonstrates us a connection. We've

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Speaker 12: we've heard this again for decades, that the Iranians are

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Speaker 12: going to use groups like that or that Hasbala will

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Speaker 12: be in Mexico and I'll come across the border. And

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Speaker 12: I think that's always been fear monitoring, always an attempt

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Speaker 12: to justify hostility towards Iran to try and make the

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Speaker 12: American public or American Congress feel there's a need to

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Speaker 12: carry these things out.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 12: Certainly individuals or small groups with some connection to Iran

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Speaker 12: more ideological, more interested in say defending Iran than you know,

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Speaker 12: carrying out drug trafficking.

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Speaker 20: Those are possibilities.

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Speaker 12: And one thing we have to say is that the

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Speaker 12: United States has a lot of vulnerabilities. We've seen Iran,

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Speaker 12: you know, attacks both direct and an indirect attax where

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Speaker 12: you know, missiles or drones get hit and they fly

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Speaker 12: off and they hit an unintended target.

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Speaker 4: Those untened targets have been.

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Speaker 12: Saudi Arabia's Aramco oil processing facility or ports in Oman

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Speaker 12: in Dubai. So the idea that American infrastructure here in

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Speaker 12: the United States is not vulnerable is just simply something

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Speaker 12: that most people don't consider. The idea that a group

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Speaker 12: of people with just rifles around the country could coordinate

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Speaker 12: attacks and shoot up, say electrical power stations and cause

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Speaker 12: a whole lot of problems for the American electrical grid, Yeah,

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Speaker 12: that's something that could happen. And we have to recall

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Speaker 12: that throughout the Global War on Terror there were a

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Speaker 12: terror attacks on Americans. It was often dismissed as being

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Speaker 12: people who hated the United States for its freedoms. But

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Speaker 12: certainly if you look at, say the attacks by the

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Speaker 12: man who killed sixty plus people in the Pulse nightclub,

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Speaker 12: the man who just year or so ago, you know,

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Speaker 12: New Year's Day or New Year's Eve, drove his truck

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Speaker 12: through the crowd in New Orleans and killed twelve or

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Speaker 12: fourteen people. You had things such as the attempted Times

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Speaker 12: Square bombing back in twenty ten or twenty eleven, you know,

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Speaker 12: and many other types of attacks like that in the US.

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Speaker 12: And when you go and look and see why did

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Speaker 12: these men carry out these attacks, they all said it

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Speaker 12: was a consequence of the American wars in the Middle East.

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Speaker 12: So we do have our vulnerabilities here. And I also

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Speaker 12: do want to say, though, because I didn't fully answer

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Speaker 12: the last question Mark's question about the Republicans, I think,

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Speaker 12: you know, quickly, I think it's it's they're backing the

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Speaker 12: president out of nothing more than partisan or political loyalty.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you've seen Republican senators in Congress, people come

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Speaker 12: out of these briefings from the White House, from the

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Speaker 12: State Department, you know, from Mark or Rubio, and they

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Speaker 12: are as confused as anybody else. One member of Congress

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Speaker 12: will come out and say we're doing it because of X,

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Speaker 12: and comes out and says we're doing it.

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Speaker 19: Because of why.

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Speaker 12: Senator Josh Hawley came out of the briefing and said

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Speaker 12: there doesn't seem to be any timetable. It seems to

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Speaker 12: be really open ended, and then he voted for the

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Speaker 12: War Palace resolution. So I think the Republicans for the

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Speaker 12: most part, are doing this not because they have any

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Speaker 12: certain fear of clarity on what it's being why it's

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Speaker 12: being done, or what the objectives are, but because of

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Speaker 12: loyalty as the White House.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right, there, a bunch of

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Speaker 1: folks want to talk to you, Matthew. And Matthew Hohoe

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Speaker 1: is our guest is a geo Pitlagal analyst. He's very

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Speaker 1: familiar with that region. He's been there many times, reported

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Speaker 1: from that region as well. Chuck calling us from Baltimore Online.

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Speaker 1: One Chuck has a question for Matthew grand Rising. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: a question for Matthew ho grand Rising.

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Speaker 25: Gentlemen, you know, you know people, people know the big

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Speaker 25: liar that Trump is. Why they still keep spreading his

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Speaker 25: life about only about a half a dozen servicemen being killed,

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Speaker 25: When when now Iranians disabled upwards on a non military basis,

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Speaker 25: totally unoperable, and they won't be designed for small arms

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Speaker 25: fire protection and not rocketson myths. So there's no way

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Speaker 25: only half a dozen Americans were killed?

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Speaker 1: All right, skim a chance to respond, Thanks, Chuck.

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Speaker 20: I think you know.

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Speaker 12: I'll say one thing we do have some semblance of

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Speaker 12: in the US, though. I think everyone listening and Carl,

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Speaker 12: I know you're you're concerned about this is you know,

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Speaker 12: a free precedent and that's being limited and attacked in

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Speaker 12: many different ways. But as of right now, it would

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Speaker 12: be difficult for the United States to hide its military

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Speaker 12: casualties just because of the notification.

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Speaker 19: Process and how public that is. Now they could.

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Speaker 12: Change that, and I think anyone looking at this administration,

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Speaker 12: you look at a Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth of

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Speaker 12: Marco Rubio, you know we have no have no compunction

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Speaker 12: about that.

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Speaker 19: These men wouldn't lie about something like that.

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Speaker 12: Of course they would, but as of right now, the

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Speaker 12: ability for them to do that is quite limited. So

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Speaker 12: I do believe that the casualty numbers as they're.

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Speaker 19: Presented are correct.

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Speaker 12: They may be delayed, there may have been casualties in

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Speaker 12: the last day or two we haven't heard about, and

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Speaker 12: that you know, as part of the casualty notification process.

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Speaker 19: But I am confident that.

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Speaker 12: We would hear about American consities outside of State of

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Speaker 12: CIA and special operations those I think they can hide.

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Speaker 12: You know, for the last particularly ten years, the American

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Speaker 12: military has prepared in some ways for this war of Oran,

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Speaker 12: not nearly as thoroughly as they could, you know, as

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Speaker 12: we discussed earlier, but in terms of the bases that

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Speaker 12: are being attacked, they do have pretty extensive bunkers and

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Speaker 12: the United States.

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Speaker 20: Did evacuate a lot of what we call.

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Speaker 12: Non essential personnel from those bases. But certainly the idea

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Speaker 12: of what casualty is occurring, absolutely, and the fact that

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01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 12: that we just maybe not have heard yet and what's

1512
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 12: happened in the last two or three days, because that's

1513
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 12: how long it sometimes takes to have that information provide

1514
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 12: the families and then for the information become public.

1515
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 19: You know that that's possible too.

1516
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: And also one hundreds of thousands of Americans are trapped

1517
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: in that region because the regions are expanded, wouldn't you say, Matthew.

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01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 12: Oh, they're absolutely, I mean, there are just millions upon

1519
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 12: millions of Americans around the world.

1520
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 19: So any place you go, you run into Americans.

1521
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 12: For good or bad, right, But you know, the the yes,

1522
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 12: what has happened here is that in many of the

1523
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 12: nations in the Middle East, the United States State Department

1524
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,520
Speaker 12: did not tell people to come home. The administration is saying.

1525
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 20: That they did, but they did not.

1526
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 12: If you go and you look at the State Department website,

1527
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 12: you'll see that for many of these countries where Americans

1528
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 12: are stuck in the Middle East, as these countries have

1529
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 12: missiles and drones falling down on them, there was not

1530
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 12: warnings issued by or there are not a statements or

1531
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 12: warnings issued by the United States State Department to leave.

1532
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 12: They're just basically generally caution warning. And so many of

1533
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 12: these Americans who are stuck there were not told to

1534
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 12: leave by the United States, you know, which is you know,

1535
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 12: a lie that this.

1536
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 19: Administration is staying.

1537
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 12: And the fact that the United States did not plan

1538
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 12: for evacuating citizens, not just citizens who are there for

1539
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 12: business or travel or because they live there, but also

1540
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 12: to Americans who work for the US government. There seems

1541
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 12: to be no plan in place. I did say they

1542
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 12: are chartering a plane one plane, but there seems to

1543
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 12: be no plan in place to evacuate the Americans who

1544
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 12: work for the US government throughout the region, whether they

1545
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 12: are direct employees or contractors, whether at their embassy or

1546
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 12: at their other locations, you know what I mean. So

1547
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 12: that abdication responsibility is really quite something, and again just

1548
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 12: adds on to the list of things we can enumerate

1549
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 12: about how this administration did not prepare for this war,

1550
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 12: how it carried out a war of choice without making

1551
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 12: sure it was fully ready to do so.

1552
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: All right, saving away from the top of that, Let's

1553
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: go back to Baltimore again. Money, Mike has a question

1554
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: for you, Matthews Online two, Grand Rising, Money, Mike, you'

1555
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: on with Matthew Hoe your question, Mike, I mean I

1556
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,480
Speaker 1: hear Mike's Let's go to Keith than in DC online. Three.

1557
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Keep your question for Matthew Hoe.

1558
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 26: Yes, Grand Riser, I was just wondering when are we

1559
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 26: going to stay on front with the fact that this

1560
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 26: is all another method in order for the president just

1561
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 26: stay in office. All of these actions that are taking

1562
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 26: place are from a vi is on the scheme on

1563
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 26: how to do things to distract and in addition to

1564
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 26: the the Epstein nonsense. But it's just another way of

1565
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 26: distracting and getting us to stay focused on stuff that

1566
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 26: really has nothing to do with his motive but to

1567
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 26: stay in office. And unfortunately, yesterday I heard on the

1568
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 26: station about these three African Americans that were killed, and

1569
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 26: I hadn't heard nor seen their faces on the schemes

1570
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 26: of TV on I heard about it. I looked it

1571
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 26: up and they were on online on a newswire correspondence

1572
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 26: from that area that posted the pictures of these three

1573
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 26: young reservers that were killed. And it just seems like

1574
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 26: this is all a distraction in order to stay.

1575
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: And let me jump in here that that was a

1576
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: erroneous Keith, let me jump that he didn't hear it

1577
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: on this program. But I can tell you those the

1578
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: pictures of the three that you saw were killed earlier

1579
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: a few years ago. But I thank you for your call, though,

1580
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: because we gotta take a quick break and we come back.

1581
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Let Matthew address is it a version his thoughts on

1582
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: that family. You two can join us and you know

1583
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 1: how to speak to Matthew hoe Is. He's a geopeditical

1584
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: political analyst. He's based in that he's based here, but

1585
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: he's very, very familiar with that area. What are your thoughts?

1586
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight is

1587
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: seventy six and it takes a break. As I mentioned,

1588
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: you got checked to the trafficking weather in our different cities.

1589
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: And we're back after this and ground Rising family. Thanks

1590
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: for staying with us and our guest, the geopolitical analyst,

1591
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Hoe. And again to Keith, and if you see

1592
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: that picture of those three black soldiers that were killed,

1593
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that they weren't killed in this excursion. What's going on

1594
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: right now? The earlier I said, I think that was

1595
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: planning there, just to get the black community upset and

1596
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: angry about what's going on. But Keith's the other question,

1597
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: Matthew is that diversion. Do you think Donald Trump is

1598
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: using this because he's trying to stay out of jail

1599
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: and the diversion for NAT and Yahoo too, is using

1600
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: this to stay out of jail. How do you see

1601
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: the other part of Keith's question?

1602
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely, Carl, and thanks for that.

1603
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 19: Keith.

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01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 12: You know, just quickly with Israel of net Yahoo, you know,

1605
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 12: prior to say the October seventh attacks and then the

1606
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 12: genocide in Gaza. You know, you had tremendous public voices

1607
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 12: a million people on the streets of Israel and Israel

1608
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 12: is what nine million people or so demanding Yahoo resign

1609
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,799
Speaker 12: and go on trial. And he has been on trial

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01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 12: for years now for just incredible degrees of corruption.

1611
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 4: So the idea of using this type.

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01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 12: Of war to solidify his political support and keep him

1613
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 12: in power. Absolutely, And there's actually the speculation that Benjamin

1614
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 12: net Yaho will call early elections to possibly take advantage

1615
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 12: of the circumstances. And the same for Donald Trump. I

1616
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 12: think there's the diversion, Carl. You know, this idea that

1617
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 12: the economy is not doing well. You have the Epstein files,

1618
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 12: as Keith said, you have Donald Trump of public approval

1619
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 12: numbers down to what about thirty four percent or so.

1620
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 12: So yes, I mean this is a ploy at as

1621
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 12: old as time. I mentioned the Romans before Roman emperors

1622
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 12: did this. You know, one of the time one of

1623
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 12: the wars that the Roman emperors started or the Roman

1624
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 12: generals started in order to gain public support culminated in

1625
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 12: the structure of Jerusalem in AD seventy or whatever that was,

1626
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 12: you know.

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01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 4: I mean, so this.

1628
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 12: Idea of using war to distract the public by having

1629
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 12: a foreign enemy and maybe a victory overseas is old.

1630
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 12: So you know the other aspect of Adota that is

1632
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 12: worrisome is that is this war and stating, you know,

1633
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 12: the national emergency that we're going to be in.

1634
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 4: And you've already seen these.

1635
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 12: Bogus reports of Iranians being involved in election fraud in

1636
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 12: twenty twenty. Will that be used to justify and attempts

1637
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 12: by this administration to nationalize the elections in the fall.

1638
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 19: Will this be what is used.

1639
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 12: To have ICE or other federal law enforcement agencies police

1640
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 12: or patrol or polling sites in November to ensure the

1641
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 12: safety or the national security and put those words right

1642
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 12: in quotes of the elections, you know, justifying Donald Trump's

1643
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 12: desire to rig the elections or control the elections by

1644
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 12: saying he's doing it to protect the American electoral process

1645
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 12: from Iranian or other overseas interference.

1646
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: All right, two out that top. Christian's checking in from

1647
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: malibur He's on line four, Grand Rising. Christian, you're on

1648
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: with Matthew ho.

1649
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, gentlemen. If you remember on ninety eleven

1650
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 5: that first playing to hit the twin towers that playing

1651
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 5: the schedule for Los Angeles. That ninety eleventh plan was

1652
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 5: developed in the mosque here in Culver City on Washington Boulevard,

1653
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 5: and the number two guy, the one who was a

1654
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 5: doctor underneath the or some of them Latin has that

1655
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 5: plan out. So now the other thing is this war

1656
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 5: is going to go five to six months. It's got

1657
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 5: to be a ground war. Israel can't protect yourself. They

1658
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 5: don't have enough people to fight the ground war. So

1659
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,480
Speaker 5: that means it's gonna be a lot of American casualties.

1660
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 5: Because you know the country of Iran, it's like the

1661
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 5: size of Alaska with ninety seven million people, and you're

1662
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 5: going to have dissidence particul have the majority of the

1663
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 5: people supporting the government. So the problem is is the

1664
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 5: American people will probably be bailed because of the American casualties.

1665
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 5: Israel bombed that school, that's their earmarks and Pound Steyn.

1666
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 5: They bomb these churches, and they bombed these schools and

1667
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 5: these hospitals. So the problem is you're going to have

1668
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 5: the best with the American people. That's where the issues

1669
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 5: gonna come for the government.

1670
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: And talk to me man, Thanks Christian, Yeah, yeah.

1671
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks, Christian. You know already the American people don't

1672
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 12: support this war. Again, the polls on the weekend was

1673
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 12: one in four, only one in four support this, and

1674
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 12: this administration launched the war of choice for which, again,

1675
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 12: as we've been saying all morning, there's no clarity as

1676
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 12: to what they want to accomplish or when they know

1677
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 12: they will have accomplished it. And you can imagine these

1678
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 12: scenarios where the war continues to build. So you put

1679
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 12: special forces in with the Kurds if that is a

1680
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 12: going as what they say is going to happen happens,

1681
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 12: and then that doesn't go so well. And at the

1682
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 12: same time, Iran is able to continue to attack Israel

1683
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 12: because the US can't adequately get at the missile and

1684
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 12: drome factories that are buried underground or in the mountains.

1685
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 12: And so then what do you do if the United

1686
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 12: States you just can't pull out of it. The idea

1687
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 12: for the Americans is that this will be like Syria

1688
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 12: or Libya, and that we won't take many American casualties.

1689
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,440
Speaker 12: And so the American public, while they might not be supportive,

1690
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 12: they won't vote on it, or they won't be overly

1691
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 12: concerned because, as we were just saying before, there are

1692
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 12: other things to distract them. So, but what happens is

1693
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,799
Speaker 12: that doesn't work. What happens if it's not like Syria

1694
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 12: or Libya and it's more like Iraq and Afghanistan, And

1695
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 12: the American leaders find themselves in a position that the

1696
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 12: only way they see out of this, in order to

1697
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 12: save face, or because of the pressure from Israel and

1698
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 12: the weapons contract as well as just the weapons contractors

1699
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 12: as well as just the ideologues throughout the American foreign

1700
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,879
Speaker 12: policy establishment, the only advice they get is to increase

1701
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 12: the war. Well, then, Christian, I think you're exactly right.

1702
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 19: In the way this goes.

1703
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 12: So I think there's a lot that we are unsure of.

1704
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 12: There's a lot we're uncertain of. We have to remember

1705
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 12: that war has an agency all of its own. It's

1706
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 12: a superhuman force, and you can't control it. And then

1707
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 12: we have history to guide us as to what American expeditions, campaigns, occupations,

1708
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 12: wars have looked like. And I think that should give

1709
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 12: all of us this morning a really great concern, a

1710
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 12: really grave concern for where this war may be heading to.

1711
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: All Right, thinks that doctor Joel's on on deck. We

1712
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 1: get to a moment, chel I got to follow up

1713
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: a Christians question. Uh, each had this gone for months?

1714
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: If so, it's big, probably the big here in the

1715
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: fault if this goes on, Well, this gave Donald Trump

1716
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: an excuse not to have the elections.

1717
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 12: I don't think if I don't think they would cancel

1718
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 12: the elections, Carl, but I think what it would do

1719
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 12: would give them an excuse again to nationalize it, to

1720
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 12: issue emergency orders uh to Uh. You know, the Supreme Court,

1721
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 12: even courts that aren't beholden to Donald Trump. Uh, you

1722
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 12: have all have often aligned with the executive in terms

1723
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 12: of national security. They've given the prerogative or they've they've

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Speaker 12: allowed the executive to say, or they've taken the word

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Speaker 12: or a grant what the executive does when it comes

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Speaker 12: to issues of national security. So you could see something

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Speaker 12: along the lines of that, this is the national emergency.

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Speaker 12: We're nationalizing the elections.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 12: And again we are now we're going to deploy ice

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Speaker 12: other federal law enforcement to the polling places to police it,

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Speaker 12: to check it. We need to scrub all the voter

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Speaker 12: rolls because the Iranians have infiltrated our system.

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Speaker 19: Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 12: So very very easily you could see how Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: and his gang and power, you know, would utilize something

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Speaker 12: like this. If after the last year, Carl, if people

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Speaker 12: don't think that Steven Miller or Christy Nome would do

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Speaker 12: something like this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what to tell you, right,

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Speaker 1: but I got this question before. We'll let you go, though, Matthew,

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Speaker 1: that the wars are already expanding to Turkey, Abi Sean,

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Speaker 1: the Pakistanis are getting involved. How much further can he

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Speaker 1: get before it engulfs the entire planet. Everybody's involved at

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01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: some point has some stake in what's going on. It

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Speaker 1: started in the Middle East. Were you very familiar what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean it's certainly in the reach.

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Speaker 12: We spoke earlier about the Echo reach, the fact that

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Speaker 12: this could result in a not just economic pressure, but

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Speaker 12: an economic downturn or worldwide recession or possibly even a depression. If, certainly,

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Speaker 12: if it becomes a point where the energy resources of

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Speaker 12: that area are unable to get out to the rest

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Speaker 12: of the world, and then of course you have the

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Speaker 12: opportunity that others may see because they feel that they

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01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 12: are in line with American interests. So the Pakistanis and

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01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 12: people have been saying this about the Pakistan Afghan conflict

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01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 12: that's been going on now for several years, but really

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01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 12: in the last week has really heated up. You know,

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Speaker 12: the Pakistanis are they acting that way, Well, they've been,

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Speaker 12: they're acting that way because it's complicated, long history with Afghanistan.

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Speaker 12: But are they doing this now because they feel that

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Speaker 12: they have the support of the American president and that

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Speaker 12: he can they can get away with things, or they

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01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,520
Speaker 12: feel that they will have the support from the Americans

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Speaker 12: if they need it. So, you know, there are all

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Speaker 12: types of reasons why this thing could expand the fact

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Speaker 12: that you're seeing that European navies are sending ships now

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Speaker 12: to Cyprus to shoot down any more missiles or drones,

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Speaker 12: you know, as well, then to the idea that the

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Speaker 12: American military is willing to conduct its operations anywhere in

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Speaker 12: the globe. So you saw the sinking of that Iranian

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Speaker 12: frigate in the Indian Ocean. We've seen ships from Venezuela

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Speaker 12: that have been boarded in the Indian Ocean by the

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Speaker 12: US military. So this is, according to the Americans themselves,

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Speaker 12: a worldwide war, So the possibilities of it expanding and

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Speaker 12: getting out of control. Yeah, if you've studied war, you know,

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Speaker 12: if you if you're attuned to its.

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Speaker 4: Realities and how it operates.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, the idea that this could become something greater than

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Speaker 12: an already age which it's already a regional war, it

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01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,839
Speaker 12: should be, it should be very concerning.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I have to tough, Matthew. We're gonna let

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Speaker 1: you go. But are you on social media? How can

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01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: folks follow you? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 12: People can follow me on X or Twitter. Matthew, p Ho,

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Speaker 12: Pias and Patrick. That's being spelled h oh. I'm on

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Speaker 12: substack Matthew Hoe again, last thing spelled h oh. And

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Speaker 12: I'm a member of the Eisenhower Media Network. And I

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Speaker 12: just also too, Carl, thank you for your time. But

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Speaker 12: I also wanted to just say how delighted I am

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Speaker 12: that I'm on the same program as Professor Gerald Horn.

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Speaker 12: I'm a professor Horn can hear me. But you know, sir,

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Speaker 12: I've learned so much from you over the years, so

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Speaker 12: it's just a delight and an honor to be associated

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Speaker 12: with you by just simply being on the same radio

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Speaker 12: program this morning.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he can hear, doctor Horn. Thank you, doctor HORNA.

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Speaker 4: But okay, all right, well, thank you gentlemen.

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Speaker 19: You'll have a good day, all.

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Speaker 1: Righty, thank you, doctor Horn. Grand Rising, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for inviting me, doctor doctor Horne. So much

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Speaker 1: stuff going out on the you know, right now as

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01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: we speak, we were talking about what's going on in Iran.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to really get Matthew didn't really get

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Speaker 1: into what's going on the Straits of harm Moosh. Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying he's gonna send the US Navy, and

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Speaker 1: this is concerned Kevin. He's a navy guy. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: send the US Navy to patrol the Straits of harm

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Speaker 1: Moos so that all those ships can go through. That

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. He's he's just sort of said that.

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Speaker 1: But because the because the Iranians are gonna say they're

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Speaker 1: going to block the straits of our musing things they're

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Speaker 1: gonnahoot or do it, you know any other way? Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that if that does happen, what was it

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Speaker 1: going to be the impact on that, doctor Horn?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, we can already see the impact.

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01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 4: Price of gasoline at the pump is going up steadily

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01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 4: every passing days since February twenty eighth. Food costs will

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01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 4: be impacted because food and this country is oftentimes transported

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01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 4: through trucks which run on gasoline. For example, the United

1823
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 4: States has stumbled into a catastrophe. I think it has

1824
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Speaker 4: a lot to do with mister Trump being high on

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Speaker 4: his own supply. That is to say, after January third,

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Speaker 4: twenty six and the successful kidnapping of President Maduro of

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Speaker 4: Venezuela and his wife the Floes, mister Trump came to

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Speaker 4: the illogical conclusion that this war thing is rather simple

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01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 4: and easy. Then there's the role of Israel, which plays

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Speaker 4: a toxic role in US politics, as suggested inadvertently by

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Speaker 4: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who let the cat out

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Speaker 4: of the bag when he said that the United States

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01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 4: was basically tailing after Israel with regard to this piratical

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Speaker 4: attack on Iran. So folks should buckle their seat belts

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Speaker 4: because we're in for a bumpy ride.

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Speaker 1: They still haven't spelled out exactly why the United States.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll just put it a Donald Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: doing drums attacking Iran. We've heard all kind of conflicting

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Speaker 1: reports from members of the Cabinet. What's going on with that, doctor.

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Speaker 4: Horn, Well, it's apparent that ultimately, as with Venezuela, the

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Speaker 4: United States wants to grab a significant percentage, if not all,

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Speaker 4: of Iranian oil. It also wants to woon China because

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01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 4: China gets a significant percentage of its petroleum from Iran.

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Speaker 4: It wants to also woon competitors because Japan, which is

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01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 4: supposedly an ally gets of its petroleum supplies from the

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Speaker 4: Persian Gulf. But the problem that mister Trump did not

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Speaker 4: consider is that from the beginning of this conflict, the

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01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:56,520
Speaker 4: Iranians have regionalized the war. They began to attack Saudi Arabia,

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01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 4: they began to attack Kuwait Guts here for examp ample.

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Speaker 4: Mister Trump and his family have billions of dollars tied

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Speaker 4: up in those Persian Gulf monarchies. And I think what

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01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 4: we need to realize that down the road, sooner rather

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01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 4: than later, there's going to be a fracture in relations

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Speaker 4: between Israel and the United States, because Israel wants to

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Speaker 4: keep the region in chaos so that it can emerge

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Speaker 4: as the regional Hegemond, whereas mister Trump and his family

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Speaker 4: they want to make money from the Persian Gulf monarchs

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Speaker 4: and want to cut a deal ultimately with the Lawn.

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Speaker 4: And so this fracture in relations between Israel and the

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Speaker 4: United States is going to have monumental consequences for US

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Speaker 4: domestic politics, for the Zioners lobby for APAC and all

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Speaker 4: the congress persons who take APAC money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've already seen that factor. We've seen some

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Speaker 1: of the Maga folks are coming out and speaking against Israel,

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Speaker 1: something that we know. I never thought we'd hear anybody

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Speaker 1: denounced Israel, especially those who've taken money and supported Israel

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Speaker 1: in the past. Now they wondered, why are we doing this?

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Speaker 1: It seems like they feel like Donald Trump was hoodwink.

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Speaker 1: How do you see was he was he tricked into

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Speaker 1: this or he went in there knowing that, you know,

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Speaker 1: knowing all the ramifications of it. And I'll let you

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Speaker 1: hold that thought right there, because I look at the time.

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Speaker 1: We take a short break here, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to break your rhythm. Family. You two can get in

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Speaker 1: a conversation. I guess he's a doctor, Jeryl Horn. He's

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01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about the University of Houston, that's where he's from.

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Speaker 1: And he's also an attorney as well. We've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues we're going to cover with doctor Horn.

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Speaker 1: You could do the same thing. All you have to

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Speaker 1: do is reach out to us. It's simple. Hit us

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Speaker 1: up at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

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Speaker 1: grind rising family twenty minutes after the top there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for staying with us on this Thursday Money with

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Speaker 1: our guest doctor Jeryl Horn from the University of Houston

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Speaker 1: right now discussing what's going on in Iram. But we're

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Speaker 1: going to cover several topics and time permitting, We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about like the Afghan Pakistani conflict, the issues

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Speaker 1: with CUE with this's hell Nations. You know some of

1890
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: the heal nations are now taking money from Donald Trump're

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01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. Also, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Steve Files, Jasmine Crockett, Nicholas Madua and more.

1893
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Speaker 1: So you got questions about those issues, reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six Doctor Horne. Before we left the break, my

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Speaker 1: question to you was it was do you think Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump was tricked into doing this or did he do

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01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: it on his own volition? Because we know Nanny Howe

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01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: has been trying to get the Americans involved in this

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Speaker 1: war in Irani, tried it with with Obama and Obama

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01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: turning down. So now he found that he found somebody

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Speaker 1: who thinks like him going and get involved in this conflict.

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Speaker 1: How'd you see it? How did he was was he

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01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: was he tricked or just you know, due to his

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Speaker 1: own volition he agrees with with NANIAO, we need to

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Speaker 1: rearrange the Middle East, a so called mid least.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it was his own volition. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 4: once again, I think that he overdetermined what happened on

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Speaker 4: January third, during twenty six with that operation in Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: He concluded prematurely that this war thing is rather simple.

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Speaker 4: And then there are his campaign donors. As you know Adelson,

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01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:06,720
Speaker 4: the biginnaire, owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, Las

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Speaker 4: Vegas Casinos, et cetera, a major supporter of mister Trump,

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Speaker 4: a major supporter of Benjamin Netsan Yahoo. There is a

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Speaker 4: very powerful Zionist lobby in the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: You probably familiar with Bill Ackman of Pershing Square Capital,

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Speaker 4: who helped ouse the first black woman president from Harvard University,

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Speaker 4: speaking of Claudine Gay, and they wield significant and considerable

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Speaker 4: influence in the White House. But once again the contradiction

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Speaker 4: is that mister Trump also gets money from Persian gulp

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Speaker 4: monarchs in particularly Saudi Arabia. Now, the good news is

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Speaker 4: that the United Arab Emmirates, which has been wreaking habit

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Speaker 4: in Africa, particularly in Soudan, where the force that they're

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Speaker 4: backing has been accused credibly of perpetrating genocide. The UAE

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Speaker 4: their wings have been clipped their value proposition, that is

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Speaker 4: to say, being a so called asis of stability in

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Speaker 4: a very important part of the world, Dubai having perhaps

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Speaker 4: the busiest airport on planet Earth, for example. They're going

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Speaker 4: to have to go back to the drawing board. And

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Speaker 4: that's good news for Africa.

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Speaker 1: Well, I gotta ask you this because you mentioned Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Things like the Saudis are playing both ends A fiddled

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Speaker 1: with this. You know, at what point the Gulf States

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Speaker 1: and the Arab Nations is going to say, wait, we

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Speaker 1: got to sell out in our group here. At what

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Speaker 1: point are they going to turn on the Saudis. Do

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Speaker 1: you see that happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, the problem is that many of these nations we're

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Speaker 4: talking about are quite small. The UAE, Abu Dhabi, Dubai

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Speaker 4: kuwaits relatively small. Gutter is relatively small. Saudi Arabia has

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Speaker 4: a population of about twenty million, And if you look

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Speaker 4: at the Golf Cooperation Council, which groups all of these

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Speaker 4: nations together, Saudi Arabia is the big and in any case,

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Speaker 4: all of these nations to a greater or lesser degree

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Speaker 4: of playing a double game. A look at Gutter, for example,

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Speaker 4: which houses a major military baits US military baits. Look

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Speaker 4: at bach Rain, for example, which has a Sunni Muslim

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Speaker 4: ruling family but a predominantly Shia Muslim majority population. You

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Speaker 4: might have seen the video where that Shia majority population

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Speaker 4: would celebrate as missiles from Iran were slamming into US

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Speaker 4: facilities in bach Rain. As a matter of fact, you

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Speaker 4: can easily make a wager that that royal family in

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Speaker 4: bach Rain has one foot on a banana peel. It's

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Speaker 4: clear that we're going to have to start thinking of

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Speaker 4: the long term consequences of this conflict. Because war as

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Speaker 4: bloody and disruptive as it can be, also is oftentimes

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Speaker 4: a force for alteration of the status quo.

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Speaker 1: Tough day. Jeanie's reaching out to us. He's calling from

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Speaker 1: Pikesville in Maryland. Gene, your question for doctor gerald Horn, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Doctor grand Rising, everybody. Yeah, I'm glad you you distinguished

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Speaker 11: Sui from Shia. And you know the example where there's

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Speaker 11: the splitter in Vakhrang. But the rest of those countries

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Speaker 11: are you know, they are in opposition to Iran? Uh, religiously,

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Speaker 11: But this is my question.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 11: In Baltimore, there's a school called Calvert Hall Catholic High School. Right. Uh,

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Speaker 11: Tom Clancy graduated from there. I've read everything Tom Clanty wrote.

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Speaker 11: He wrote one book in reference to submarine warfare. And

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Speaker 11: it was a mock war between China and the United States.

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Speaker 11: And how uh the United States would fail against the

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Speaker 11: Chinese submarine service and and but and what is it

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Speaker 11: the in the crime mirror that's the cold waterport for Russia.

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Speaker 11: In Russia's navy, they have to enter the Mediterranean from

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Speaker 11: the Black Sea.

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Speaker 6: Could you explore, you know, could you explain to us.

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Speaker 11: What that means in reference to strategically, Uh, the United

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Speaker 11: States are going to stop Russia from entering the Mediterranean,

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Speaker 11: and the Russian submarine service is as good as the

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Speaker 11: American Submarine Service in my opinion. And so so what

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Speaker 11: what is Donald Trump crazy?

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Speaker 4: Is he crazy or what?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jean doc Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Sure if he's crazy, but it's well known that leaders

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Speaker 4: oftentimes make miscalculations. For example, Russia will be a beneficiary

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Speaker 4: of this conflict. That is to say, with the price

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Speaker 4: of petroleum going up, Russia is a major petroleum supplier.

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Speaker 4: With gutters natural gas supplies basically halted, the Europeans are

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Speaker 4: going to have to find natural gas from elsewhere. They

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Speaker 4: may go to Algeria. They may of course go to

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Speaker 4: the United States of America, which also will be a beneficiary,

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Speaker 4: but they may also have to compromise with Russia. Likewise,

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Speaker 4: with regard to these missile interceptors, Israel is heavily dependent

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Speaker 4: on missile interceptors, as are these Persian Gulf monarchs. The

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Speaker 4: problem is that Iran spends thousands to send projectiles into Israel,

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Speaker 4: into the Persian golf monarchies and the latter nations Israeli

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Speaker 4: person gov monarchies, they spend millions or these missile interceptors.

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Speaker 4: But in any case, they're running out of missile interceptors,

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Speaker 4: and Ukraine is also running out of missile interceptors with

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Speaker 4: regard to intercepting projectiles from Russia. So mister Trump, who

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Speaker 4: doesn't read very much and operates by his gut, has

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Speaker 4: stumbled into a major catastrophe.

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Speaker 1: Well do you mentioned that the Russians are going to

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Speaker 1: banfy from this conflict? What about the Chinese? Are they

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Speaker 1: gonna be I any?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I think so. I mean, first of all, it's a distraction.

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Speaker 4: The United States wants to focus like a laser beam

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Speaker 4: on China, but how can it do though when it's

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Speaker 4: bogged down in Iran? And then I think that there

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Speaker 4: is a deadline of March thirty first for the end

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Speaker 4: of this US bombing of Iran, because that's the day

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Speaker 4: mister Trump supposedly heads to China, which is an important

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Speaker 4: part of this agenda. I should also say that Russia

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Speaker 4: and China are likely aiming Iran with regard to satellite intelligence.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the triggers that could help this conflict

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Speaker 4: to spread, heaven forbid, into World War three.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight athletes out there with doctor Johan, doctor Johan

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Speaker 1: the European countries have taken the side of Spain. Is

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Speaker 1: the rebuff that Trump's request to have I guess a

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Speaker 1: military refuel on the Spain on their land and receive

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Speaker 1: the reluctance of the French and the British to get involved.

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Speaker 1: How'd you see is it going to be more split?

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Speaker 1: You see if the NATO allies, how'd you see this

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Speaker 1: coming out?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's definitely a fracture. I mean takes Spain for example,

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Speaker 4: which was denounced in the Oval Office by mister Trump himself.

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Speaker 4: That might lead to another possible game changer, which is

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Speaker 4: Spain becoming closer to its former colony, speaking of Cuba

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Speaker 4: helping to rescue it from the clutches of Washington. France

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Speaker 4: also has been critical of this us piratical attack on Iran.

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Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, when mister Trump denounced Spain in the Oval Office,

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Speaker 4: sitting next to him was Chancellor mex of Germany for example.

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Speaker 4: That will not go down well within the European Union

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Speaker 4: because Chancellor Mertz actually echoed mister Trump's criticism of Spain.

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Speaker 4: Mister Trump also has criticized Britain uh Cu Starmer the

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister. He says that Kris Starmer is no Churchill,

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Speaker 4: which he intended as an insult. I'll see that's a

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Speaker 4: compliment because Kiri Starmer supposedly did not want US bombers

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Speaker 4: to use Diego Garcia this base in the Indian Ocean.

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Speaker 4: Kiri Starmer, of course, is in deep trouble. Man not

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Speaker 4: even last at the end of the month himself.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you addressed that issue. You know, we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of listeners in the UK, especially the London era,

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Speaker 1: and that was one of the questions they sent in.

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Speaker 1: Every time you're hunt, they're always asking questions about what's

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Speaker 1: going on with their parliament. Thirty minutes at the top

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Speaker 1: Day Family, I guess that doctor Gerald Horn and Money

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Speaker 1: Mike's checking in from Baltimore's on line three Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: Money Mike, your question for doctor Horn.

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Speaker 27: Good morning, Carl, Good morning, Doctor Horn. How y'all doing?

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Speaker 4: Oh good?

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Speaker 27: Okay, Doctor Horn, you talked about Iran's missile capabilities. Now

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Speaker 27: for twenty years at least they've known that that the

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Speaker 27: US was coming. How did they prepare to your recollect

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Speaker 27: with the missiles? Because their drone capabilities have increased enormously.

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Speaker 27: They can fly drones We're shooting down five dollar drones

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Speaker 27: with million dollar missiles, and as you said, we've sent

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Speaker 27: missiles to Ukraine, and so therefore the US is running

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Speaker 27: out of missiles. So what is the alternative? What about

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Speaker 27: Grail troops? Because I think this is going to be

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Speaker 27: a long protracted war. And with met and Yahoo, what

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Speaker 27: type of political troubles did he had before he went

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Speaker 27: into Israel? And now with the US going into Iran,

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Speaker 27: what did he hope to gain by that?

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Speaker 23: And the third question will be is why is Iran

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Speaker 23: attacking its neighbors at this point? The neighbors didn't allow

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Speaker 23: the US to land planes in their country, but they

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Speaker 23: did allow them to fly over it. So what was

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Speaker 23: the benefit of them going after their neighbors in your opinion?

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Speaker 4: Well, if the Ironian is a consultant with me, I

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Speaker 4: would not have advised them to attack their neighbors. But

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Speaker 4: I understand the logic because what they're trying to do

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Speaker 4: is regionalize the conflict so that the Guitaris, the Saudi's,

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Speaker 4: the Emathis to pick up the telephone called mister Trump,

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Speaker 4: put pressure of mister Trump to stop this conflict, and

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Speaker 4: that's working to that degree. Now the attack or Turtia

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Speaker 4: or Turkey is a real hit scratcher because Turtilla is

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Speaker 4: a nation that could be quite helpful to Iran. But

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Speaker 4: once again, I think that Iran feels that if they

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Speaker 4: attack Turtilla, then that will put pressure on the Turks

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Speaker 4: that then call Washington. And we should also recognized that

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Speaker 4: the mister Natanyahu who you mentioned, he's in deep political

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Speaker 4: trouble in Israel. He may not survive as Prime minister

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Speaker 4: because of his bungling of the posts October twenty three

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Speaker 4: attacked by the Gosins on southern Israel, and so he

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Speaker 4: wants to keep the region in chaos. He's a chaos

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Speaker 4: agent that is contrary to US interests. Amazon data centers

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Speaker 4: in that part of the world were hit by Iranian projectiles,

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Speaker 4: their biggins of dollars in trade and investment between the Saudis,

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Speaker 4: the a Marathis, the Omani's, the Kuwaitis, et cetera, and

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Speaker 4: the United States of America, and that you can easily

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Speaker 4: a spy will lead to a fracture in relations between

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Speaker 4: Israel and the United States.

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Speaker 1: I got to answer this question about Israel as the

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Speaker 1: I ain't to push back in Israel. Abad what's going on, well,

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Speaker 1: a little, but not.

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Speaker 4: As much as you would expects. Keep in mind as well,

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Speaker 4: that Israel generally has strict censorship during war, so it's

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Speaker 4: difficult to get any news out of Israel about the

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Speaker 4: damage inflicted by Iranian projectiles. Recall what happened during the

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Speaker 4: June twenty twenty five war. Fundamentally, what happened there was

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Speaker 4: that Israel began to sue for peace because they could

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Speaker 4: not accept the pain. And I think that in Roan

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Speaker 4: itself there was doubt about whether they should accept the

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Speaker 4: seas far, but they finally agreed to do so. What

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Speaker 4: we also need to realize is that only the naive

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Speaker 4: should be surprised by how the United States has approached Iran.

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Speaker 4: There's a straight line that you can draw from how

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Speaker 4: the United States dealt with Native American nations in North

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Speaker 4: America and the nineteenth century, in particular to how they're

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Speaker 4: dealing with Iran. The United States leaders would invite Native

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Speaker 4: American leaders to negotiate, and then they poison the food.

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Speaker 4: They'd invite Native American leaders to negotiate and then they'd

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Speaker 4: killed them all. And so what's the difference between how

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Speaker 4: they treated the Iranians and how they treated Native American leaders.

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Speaker 4: That is to say, these negotiations with Steve Whitcoff and

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Speaker 4: Kushner was obviously a fraud. People were always wondering, why

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Speaker 4: is he sending his golf buddy and a real estate

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Speaker 4: mogul to deal with these technical issues about nuclear strategy

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Speaker 4: with the Iranians? Why send his son in law, who

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Speaker 4: is basically an empty suit to do the same. Well,

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Speaker 4: now we know these negotiations were not serious in the

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Speaker 4: first instance, and they were meant as a cover until

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Speaker 4: the United States was ready to attack.

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Speaker 1: Wow, twenty five away from the top of that family,

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Speaker 1: just rolling in with us. I guess just dot to

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Speaker 1: Jerald Horn from the University of Houston discussing the tack

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Speaker 1: on Iram, are going to cover a lot of issues

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Speaker 1: as well. Got a tweet question for you, and tweeter says,

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Speaker 1: please ask doctor Horn, why does the United States play

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Speaker 1: Israel three point eight billion dollars a year? What services

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Speaker 1: are is Israel providing for us?

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Speaker 4: It's a one way relationship. It's a one way street.

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Speaker 4: I mean US tax payers, persons like yourself and myself,

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Speaker 4: we're helping to keep this parradical nation of flut. How

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Speaker 4: do you explain it? Once again, it's the Israel lobby,

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Speaker 4: It's the Zionus lobby. It's the influence that they wield

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Speaker 4: at the highest levels of US society in the media.

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Speaker 4: Look what just happened with the paramount of swallowing Warner

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Speaker 4: brother discovery. That means that they're going to be controlling CNN.

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Speaker 4: And as you know, the major stockholder in paramount the

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Speaker 4: Ellison family. And by the way, the patriarch of the

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Speaker 4: Allison family, Larry Ellison, actually the Republican primaries of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four actually supported Tim Scott, Uncle Tim Scott of

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Speaker 4: South Carolina before his campaigns blamed out. But in any way,

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Speaker 4: in any case, the Eleson's appointed Barry Wise, a staunch

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Speaker 4: and stone cold Zionus entrepreneur, as leader of CBS News,

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Speaker 4: and now she's going to be controlling sting In as well.

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Speaker 4: And therein you can understand how and why we have

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Speaker 4: this one way relationship with Israel, whereby our tax dollars

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Speaker 4: flowed across the Atlantic into the Mediterranean, into this piradical nation,

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Speaker 4: and then they helped to lead the United States into

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Speaker 4: war to protect this interests.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three away from a time, we've gotta take a break.

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Speaker 1: For taking a break, I let me add this you

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Speaker 1: told at WISS in front of CBS. CBS came out

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Speaker 1: with a poll and says that the fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: the American people are split on whether or not they

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Speaker 1: support the war. This is the only poll, so now

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Speaker 1: they like stay on media and he's going to control CNN. So, folks,

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Speaker 1: as doctor Horn says, we're in for a bumpy ride.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six to speak to Doc Horn. We'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Thursday morning with our guest,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horn from the University of Houston. Dr Horn

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Speaker 1: is or prolific or authors written several books. Sometimes he's

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Speaker 1: running two and three at the same time. He's also

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Speaker 1: an attorney as well, and he's this was just one

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Speaker 1: of the smartest brothers. We got. Any question on any

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Speaker 1: subject you could pose to, he can hit it out

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Speaker 1: of the park. Before we go back to him, No,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you tomorrow's Friday, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to invite you to join us for another edition of

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Speaker 1: our open Phone Friday program. This is where we ask

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Speaker 1: you you can to free your mind and all that

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Speaker 1: is just to think for yourself. Leave the talking points

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Speaker 1: behind it, just think for yourself and you can start

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Speaker 1: checking in with us at six am Eastern Time right

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Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in

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Speaker 1: the DMB on fourteen fifty WL. Doctor Horn. Jay's calling

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Speaker 1: us from Detroit, has a question for He's online one

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Jay. You're on with doctor Gerald Horn.

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Speaker 18: Ran Rising, Carl and Grant Rising to doctor Horn. I

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Speaker 18: want to ask doctor Horn he illuminate on the historical

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Speaker 18: perspective of Empire's overreach. You know, with I believe that

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Speaker 18: this particular incursion might be the tipping point for the

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Speaker 18: end of Western control of the world in certain areas.

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Speaker 18: You know, you have the administration having their own Cuba,

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Speaker 18: the previous incursion that they're talking about taking over Greenland,

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Speaker 18: the disillusion of NATO as you see you know, Spain

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Speaker 18: and England and trying to hold on the Taiwan and UH.

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Speaker 18: I think eventually it's gonna be the tipping point because

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Speaker 18: they've overreached in so many areas. Still got the Ukraine,

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Speaker 18: UH situation going on to the point where uh China's

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Speaker 18: monetary system is going to be the world. Could you

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Speaker 18: comment on that if you know empires in the past

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Speaker 18: that had overreached, you know, Roman Empire, British Empire, you

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Speaker 18: know so ons. So could you illuminate on that where.

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Speaker 4: Our community should be intiately familiar with what you just articulated,

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Speaker 4: Because keep in mind that as of eighteen sixty one,

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Speaker 4: the slave owners were running the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: That was not good enough. They wanted to expand slavery,

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Speaker 4: and that was an overreach and they wound up losing everything.

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Speaker 4: But even if you set that aside, look at the

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Speaker 4: Seuez Crisis. As a matter of fact, I've already articulated

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Speaker 4: that this escapade in Iran might be the equivalent of

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Speaker 4: the Suez Crisis of nineteen fifty six, with Britain and France,

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Speaker 4: which had been wounded severely during World War Two, join

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Speaker 4: with Israel once again. Israel to attack Nasters Egypt in

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Speaker 4: order to control the Seux Canal. They overreached, the Soviet

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Speaker 4: Union stepped in, even President Eisenhower objected, and the British

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Speaker 4: were never the same after that. They have tied their

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Speaker 4: apron strings to Uncle Sam since that point, and this

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Speaker 4: might even lead to a split with the United States

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Speaker 4: over this Iran adventure, for example. So you are correct

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Speaker 4: to suggest that we may be on the verge of

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Speaker 4: a stunning setback for the US empower from which it

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Speaker 4: will never recover.

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Speaker 1: And let me jump in, Jay, let me jump in

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Speaker 1: on this question too. So if that happens, doctor Horn,

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Speaker 1: who's going to take over, Who's going to be the

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Speaker 1: top dog?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's obvious the China and the Passing Way already

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Speaker 4: the United States borrowed from China the People's Bank in

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Speaker 4: Beijing in order to keep the US government afloat. For example,

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Speaker 4: when mister Trump travels there in March thirty first, one

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Speaker 4: of his is to ensure that that relationship continues. So,

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Speaker 4: in other words, this is a dysfunctional relationship. The Beijing

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Speaker 4: loans money to the United States governments in the United

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Speaker 4: States government to conspire against Beijing by wounding its allies

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Speaker 4: in Venezuela. Now in Iran, this relationship is wholly and

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Speaker 4: totally dysfunctional.

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Speaker 18: How will that affect the domestic policy? Also here affected

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Speaker 18: you know, residents within the confines of the US. Could

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Speaker 18: you talk about that too.

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Speaker 3: You mean the.

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Speaker 4: The collapse of the us EM part.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, the current situation with the you know, the

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Speaker 18: media predominance of you know, Iran, Iran, Iran, when we

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Speaker 18: still have all these issues here on the domestic side.

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Speaker 4: And uh, and well, let's face it, the United States

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Speaker 4: conservatively is spending a big dollars a day on this

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Speaker 4: conflict in Iran, fundamentally at the behest of the Israelis.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, people who are receiving so called

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Speaker 4: food stamps are being thrown off foodstamps. People are being

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Speaker 4: thrown off their health providers for example, you don't have

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Speaker 4: a pre K for example, for the little ones. Colleges

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Speaker 4: are being attacked. As a matter of fact, U see LA,

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Speaker 4: a premier institution is under attack once again because of

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Speaker 4: Vienus influence. There's this false allegation that you see LA

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Speaker 4: somehow is an anti Semitic institution. There is a fundamental

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Speaker 4: disconnect between what the White House is doing and what

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Speaker 4: the US people need.

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Speaker 1: All right, twelve after the top, Thank you, J calls

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Speaker 1: from Detroit. Let's go to Atlanta. B's waiting for US online.

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Speaker 1: Three grand rising. B. You're on with doctor horne.

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Speaker 15: A grand rising call, I mean grand riding blah blah

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Speaker 15: call grand riding and volagerial home. Hopefully everyone you love

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Speaker 15: is is healthy, safe and positive vola jerial home. My

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Speaker 15: question is what can we learn from the Iranians how

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Speaker 15: to protect oneself from the system of white supremacy and

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Speaker 15: how to prepare when you're dealing with the system white supremacy.

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Speaker 15: That's my question, and hopefully you have a wonderful, our

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Speaker 15: standing day.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

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Speaker 28: Well.

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Speaker 4: That's a difficult question to answer because the line aginst

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Speaker 4: that's sovereignty. They have a seat at the United Nations,

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Speaker 4: they have participation in the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

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Speaker 4: They have embassies all over the world. I was just

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Speaker 4: reading this morning about their embassy in South Africa, for example.

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Speaker 4: Black Americans don't have sovereignty. We're trapped behind enemy lines.

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Speaker 4: We have waning influence in Washington, d C. But I

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Speaker 4: think that one of the lessons we should draw is

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Speaker 4: that we should revive our international relationship, which we allowed

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Speaker 4: to wather on the vine. Most of our organizations and

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Speaker 4: leaders do not think globally. They hardly know what's going

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Speaker 4: on in Canada, for example, which has contradictions with the

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Speaker 4: United states that we could easily take advantage of, which

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Speaker 4: the slave era leaders did take advantage of. For example,

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Speaker 4: John Brown's raid on Virginia, which led to the Civil War,

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Speaker 4: was planned in Canada, for example. So that's one lesson

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Speaker 4: we can infer, that is to say, revive and resuscitate

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Speaker 4: our global relationships, because if we solely rely on this

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Speaker 4: set up in Washington, we're doomed.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ten away from the top of our family with our guest,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horn, a historian also world traveler as well.

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Speaker 1: Ten well, as I mentioned, Melvin wants to get in

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Speaker 1: on the conversation in Baltimore Cities Online for Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: Melvinie on with doctor Horne, smelling the.

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Speaker 17: Yes, Grand Rising everyone, Doctor Horn, Uh, your active activist

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Speaker 17: news network. That's very good.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 17: My question is, uh my information has it that uh

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Speaker 17: the United States and Iran were in negotiations when this happened.

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Speaker 17: Could you explain the trust factor how this gonna uh

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Speaker 17: go forward in terms of being able to trust the

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Speaker 17: United States and this was uh the second time this happened, think.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean these negotiations were fraudulent. Clearly. That helps

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Speaker 4: to explain why his golf buddy Steve Whitcoff was leaving

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Speaker 4: the negotiations. They were just a cover for the United

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Speaker 4: States to readload and to coordinate with Israel. For example,

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Speaker 4: recalled that mister Natanill Williams Silf came to the United

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Speaker 4: States in late December twenty twenty five. He came again

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Speaker 4: about six weeks later. They were planning all along to

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Speaker 4: engage in this war. But with all of the planning

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Speaker 4: that they've done, they have basically put their foot into

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Speaker 4: a mess of dung which will leave an odor that

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Speaker 4: will be difficult to eliminate.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Malvin, Thanks you calling nine away from the top.

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Speaker 1: A tweet question for you, Dr Horn tweet that says,

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Speaker 1: please ask doctor Horn. What was the nature of the

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Speaker 1: many trips by Epstein to Africa? Was Epstein working for

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Speaker 1: any other countries aside from Israel?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 4: Number one, As Bill Clinton testified in the deposition he

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Speaker 4: gave with the House of Representatives the other day, he

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Speaker 4: was oftentimes traveling with Bill Clinton for Bill Clinton's different initiatives.

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Speaker 4: Number two, it appears that Epstein also had relationships with

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Speaker 4: certain West African leaders, particularly Wutarah, the president of Coach

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Speaker 4: d'ivois or Ivory Coasts. Who is fundamentally a stooge for

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Speaker 4: both US imperialism and French imperialism. If I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 4: he's married to a French woman. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 4: I thought the story was false when I first heard it,

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Speaker 4: But I've been told by Evarians that is true. That

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Speaker 4: in his office there's a trap door that leads to

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Speaker 4: a tunnel that leads him to the French embassy in

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Speaker 4: case the Avarians have an uprising, for example. So the

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Speaker 4: Epstein scandal, I'm afraid to say, implicates a certain unsavory

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Speaker 4: West African leaders as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get into that momentary eight away

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Speaker 1: from the top day and back of Epstein files. D Horne,

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Speaker 1: the Justice Bomb says it's going to release nearly fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand more files. Are we ever going to see all

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Speaker 1: the files? Are these files you think they're going to

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Speaker 1: release in momentaria? Are they going to be redacted? You

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Speaker 1: think they've already? You know, it took Trump's name out

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Speaker 1: of him.

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Speaker 4: Probably. I mean, you know that Attorney General Pound Bondie,

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Speaker 4: or scam Blondie as she sometimes called, has been subpoenaed

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Speaker 4: to come testify once again. You might recall her last

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Speaker 4: testimony was a disaster. I mean, here you have Epstein

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Speaker 4: survivors and victims in the room where she's testifying, and

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Speaker 4: she's trying to tell them that they should be satisfied

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Speaker 4: with the fact that the stock market was going up. Now,

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Speaker 4: that was before February twenty eighth. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 4: her excuse will be today. In any case, there are

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Speaker 4: millions and millions of pages of the Epstein files that

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Speaker 4: he's yet to be released. I'm happy to see that

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand will be coming down the pike. You may

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Speaker 4: have heard of this story. I think it was first

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Speaker 4: reported by National Public Radio that buried somewhere in the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files or claims of Trump having shall we say,

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Speaker 4: illicit relations with miners for example. And as you know,

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Speaker 4: mister Trump has been accused credibly of rape by Egen

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Speaker 4: Carroll of New York. That case is still in litigation,

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Speaker 4: although Egen Carroll has won at every judicial stage thus far.

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Speaker 4: But to answer your question more pointedly, I doubt if

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Speaker 4: we'll ever get to the bottom of this stinky Epstein scandal,

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Speaker 4: although we know enough already to realize that number one

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Speaker 4: likely he was an aspet of Israeli intelligence, if not

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Speaker 4: an agent of Israeli intelligence. There's quite a bit of

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Speaker 4: communication between mister Epstein and former Israeli Prime Minister Ahu Barak.

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Speaker 4: He was also quite close to the designers big in

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Speaker 4: our class, particularly Lex Wexner of Ohio for example. The

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02:16:52,640 --> 02:16:58,040
Speaker 4: whole Victorious Secrets lingerie enterprise in many ways was a

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Speaker 4: cover for mister Epstein to attract into his layer attractive

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Speaker 4: young women who would then be abused. For example, this

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Speaker 4: is an ugly scandal that has implicated that Lawrence Thomers,

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Speaker 4: the former president of Harvard, former Senate Majority leader George

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02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:21,480
Speaker 4: Mitchell of Maine. Even Noam Chompsky, the so called dissident intellectual,

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Speaker 4: has been implicated in this Epstein scandal along with Woody Allen,

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Speaker 4: the filmmaker and comedian. Interestingly enough, I haven't seen any

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Speaker 4: names of black American elites, and I'm not sure what

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Speaker 4: to make of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that there are something involved, though, so

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Speaker 1: we'll see if those names are dropped. But I got

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Speaker 1: to ask you this about the Epstein files. One Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe his dad? Some people think he's you know,

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02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:49,360
Speaker 1: he's on a beach in Haifa hanging out, and some

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Speaker 1: people had some pictures of him with security. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you respond to that when we get back, because I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at the clock here and we got four minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top there. I gotta take a short

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Speaker 1: break so our station's gonna identify themselves down the line. Family,

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Speaker 1: you want to join our conversation with doctor Jerald Horn,

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Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred four or

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning. I guess doctor Gerald

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Speaker 1: Horn from the University of Houston, and I just know

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Speaker 1: hear from some of our listeners in Ghana. And we've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of listens in Ghana, many of them

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Speaker 1: ex paths around the Prime Prime area near our Crawn. Well,

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Speaker 1: the citizenship ceremony for today has been postponed, they say, well,

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Speaker 1: happened on Monday. There's a lot of issues going on

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Speaker 1: with the citizenship in Ghana. They've changed some of the

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Speaker 1: rules and regulations actually increase the prices to apply for citizenship.

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Speaker 1: So they just sent me a note to tell all

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Speaker 1: your brothers and sisters listening to us in Ghana that

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Speaker 1: today's ceremony has been postponed until Monday, probably will happen.

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Speaker 1: But doctor Horn, back to back to Epstein, we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen his body. You know, the death that they report about,

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Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, it's an asset for the masade

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Speaker 1: that's probably known. He's probably working to see I as well.

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Speaker 1: It might he might be double dipping your thoughts. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he's dead or you think he's still with us?

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Speaker 4: Well, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, he's dead.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 4: There are many questions that have been raised by how

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Speaker 4: he lost his life. I heard an interview with his

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02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:22,480
Speaker 4: brother who has raised serious and searching questions about the

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02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:27,000
Speaker 4: official story, that is to say, him supposedly hanging himself,

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02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:31,960
Speaker 4: for example. But his brother accepts the idea that he

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02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,880
Speaker 4: is dead, and so I have no reason to disbelieve

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Speaker 4: his brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this he's covering from me. Brother probably knows he's

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02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:43,480
Speaker 1: still there in Israel right now. But anyway, we'll move

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Speaker 1: on lead that alone, Doctor Horn. Brother Collis is checking

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Speaker 1: in from waldof It has a question for you. Brother,

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Speaker 1: callis grand Rising. You know I'm with doctor Gerald Horn, grand.

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Speaker 21: Rising, my dear brother and the esteemed professor, doctor Horn,

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Speaker 21: I appreciate your being a truth teller.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 21: Could the pedal, the pedophile syndrome or practices of that

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02:20:10,520 --> 02:20:15,360
Speaker 21: cabal that involved in Epstein file reached back to our

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02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:21,440
Speaker 21: find founding fathers of people like Thomas Jefferson and others

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Speaker 21: who practiced pedophilia when they great slaves, slave, the slave women,

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Speaker 21: the black women, and so forth, and then did other

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Speaker 21: things up at that point in time. Could this be

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Speaker 21: a ren acting actment of that syndrome, what they call

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Speaker 21: the Cornish complex. Could you explain that towards Please?

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Speaker 4: Thank you well to an extent. I accept what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Thomas Jefferson was a mature, older man. Sally

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Speaker 4: Hemmings his quote slave unquote. We sorry, okay. His slave

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02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 4: who we impregnated was a teenager at the time of

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Speaker 4: her giving birth to his children. In my book of Washington,

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02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:17,000
Speaker 4: d C. I unveiled quite a bit. This is the

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Speaker 4: capital of slavery.

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Speaker 5: Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: Eighteen hundred and eighteen sixty five. Many of these leaders

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Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. Had black women quote concubines unquote.

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Speaker 4: They of course were even breeding black people as if

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Speaker 4: we were racehorses and then selling the ap proachinging into

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Speaker 4: the slave market of New Orleans, whereby they could then

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Speaker 4: be transported to work in the fields of Mississippi, or

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02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:50,520
Speaker 4: even the sugar and tobacco fields of Cuba or the

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02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:56,040
Speaker 4: coffee fields of Brazil, for example. We have not had

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Speaker 4: an honest accounting of the toxic impact of slavery on

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02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:09,760
Speaker 4: current day relations between men and women, between Africans and Europeans,

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02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,560
Speaker 4: and until we have that honest accounting will be perpetually

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Speaker 4: surprised by these Epstein like scandals.

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Speaker 1: Got a tweet question for you, doctor horn Tweeter, says grantarizing,

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02:22:23,640 --> 02:22:27,040
Speaker 1: will you ask a doctor horney if he has read

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Speaker 1: or heard of a book called Nobody's Girl. It's a

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02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:33,120
Speaker 1: self biography by a young lady who is dead now

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Speaker 1: about how she fell into the Epstein Webb.

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Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's on the bestseller list, that book by

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02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:45,600
Speaker 4: Virginia Juffrey. If I'm not mistaken. That's how you pronounce

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Speaker 4: her name. It also led to the spectacle in London

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Speaker 4: with the Andrew formerly known as Prince now call Andrew

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Speaker 4: windsor Mountbattan, that is to say, the brother of King

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Speaker 4: Charles the third basically being dethroned, so to speak, the

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Speaker 4: uncle of the king and waiting speaking of Prince William

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02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:17,680
Speaker 4: of being dethroned, for example, it's an ugly story, quite frankly,

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Speaker 4: in terms of how Andrew was consorting with Jeffrey Epstein.

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02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:26,280
Speaker 4: Of course, you saw the picture of Bill Clinton in

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Speaker 4: the hot tub with some woman whose face was redacted,

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02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:35,080
Speaker 4: for example. It's not only an ugly scandal, but I'm

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Speaker 4: afraid to say it reflects and reveals the utterly corrupt

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Speaker 4: and depraved nature of the people who rule this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Horney, they have taken they've taken you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess they've taken to task those who are involved

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02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:56,440
Speaker 1: in Epstein, are involved in Epstein files, if you will,

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Speaker 1: in Europe but not here.

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Speaker 4: Why not? Well, you can say that for so many differinitions.

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02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:08,680
Speaker 4: I mean, for example, in Europe they're trying to crack

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02:24:08,840 --> 02:24:12,600
Speaker 4: down on hate speech, for example, because they had the

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02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:17,040
Speaker 4: ugly experience with fascism and Nazism. On this side of

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02:24:17,080 --> 02:24:21,680
Speaker 4: the Atlantic, with the interpretation of the First Amendment, hate.

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Speaker 26: Speech is par for the course.

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 4: with the fact that there are those in this country

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02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:34,960
Speaker 4: who feel that if you circumscribe hate speech, you won't

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02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:37,960
Speaker 4: be able to insult black people the way we are

2490
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:43,040
Speaker 4: insulted on a routine and regular basis today. And so likewise,

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Speaker 4: I think that in Europe their societies take pedophilia more

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02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:51,120
Speaker 4: seriously than they do in this country, because, as I've

2493
02:24:51,160 --> 02:24:54,920
Speaker 4: said a moment or two ago, pedophilia was part for

2494
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:59,199
Speaker 4: the course during slavery, for example, and that has helped

2495
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:02,480
Speaker 4: to create a culture. In the Wall Street Journal this morning,

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Speaker 4: there's the story about girls marrying as early as the

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02:25:08,360 --> 02:25:11,320
Speaker 4: age of fourteen or fifteen. Now, you would think that

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02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:16,240
Speaker 4: this was something that was endemic in Afghanistan or Pakistan,

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02:25:16,400 --> 02:25:19,160
Speaker 4: for example, but it's part for the course on this

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02:25:19,320 --> 02:25:20,560
Speaker 4: side of the Atlantic as well.

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02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:25,120
Speaker 1: Check that seven after the top down, Kevin's calling us

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02:25:25,160 --> 02:25:28,280
Speaker 1: from Houston is online three your home city, Doctor Horn,

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02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:32,080
Speaker 1: Kevin grand Rising, your question for doctor Horn, Thank you for.

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02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:32,920
Speaker 14: Taking at the ball.

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02:25:33,879 --> 02:25:38,760
Speaker 15: If China is financing the United States and they're able

2506
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:41,039
Speaker 15: to do what they're doing, so why.

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02:25:40,959 --> 02:25:41,840
Speaker 4: Didn't China just.

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02:25:43,560 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 14: Stop financing and little collapse?

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02:25:50,520 --> 02:25:56,039
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm sure that's occurred to President Jijing thing,

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02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:59,040
Speaker 4: and that might be on the agenda, assuming mister Trump

2511
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:02,160
Speaker 4: makes this trip on March thirty. First, I mean, obviously,

2512
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:05,320
Speaker 4: this is a dysfunctional relationship. It's a relationship that makes

2513
02:26:05,400 --> 02:26:08,040
Speaker 4: no sense now. Of course, the roots of the relationship

2514
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:11,560
Speaker 4: go back to when China and the United States of

2515
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:16,240
Speaker 4: America shared a similar hostility to the then Soviet Union.

2516
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:21,640
Speaker 4: But with the Soviet Union collapsing in December nineteen ninety one,

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02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:27,039
Speaker 4: the rationale or the Chinese US relations should have collapsed

2518
02:26:27,080 --> 02:26:30,600
Speaker 4: with it. Now the United States faces the successor of

2519
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:34,320
Speaker 4: state of the Soviet Union, speaking of Russia being one

2520
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:40,200
Speaker 4: of China's closest allies, and sooner rather than later, this

2521
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:43,760
Speaker 4: funding of the United States government is going to end.

2522
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,720
Speaker 4: It's already shrinking. They're shrinking their purchase of US Treasury

2523
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:52,160
Speaker 4: bills as we speak. When that happens, the United States

2524
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:55,320
Speaker 4: is either going to have to raise taxes against the billionnaires,

2525
02:26:55,879 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 4: which of course is unlikely at best, or cut program

2526
02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:07,680
Speaker 4: cut further healthcare, education, food stamps. Certainly, don't cut the

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Speaker 4: Pentagon budget.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, thanks, Kevin, doctor Hornan. Let's go to the Sahale Nations,

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02:27:13,879 --> 02:27:17,400
Speaker 1: h Mali and the schier Bikino Fasso cover them now

2530
02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:21,640
Speaker 1: and taking money from the IMF and also loans from

2531
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:25,160
Speaker 1: the IMF and also getting involved in Donald Trump's health,

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02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Health health campaign. What's going on here? Because they started

2533
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,600
Speaker 1: out as being independent, they weren't going to take the

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02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:34,879
Speaker 1: colonizers money, went again involved in the colonizers, it's been

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02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:37,880
Speaker 1: Is this a change in strategy for the shale nations?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:41,119
Speaker 4: I think they're under a lot of pressure. I mean,

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02:27:41,360 --> 02:27:46,360
Speaker 4: it's not easy for these small African nations to stand

2539
02:27:46,480 --> 02:27:50,160
Speaker 4: up to a system that was constructed to keep them

2540
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:54,040
Speaker 4: down and in fact grind them into the dust. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you look at France, for example, which was a

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02:27:56,720 --> 02:28:02,920
Speaker 4: former colonizing power in Mali, Burkina, Fossil and Nigir, they're

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02:28:02,959 --> 02:28:06,120
Speaker 4: beginning to flex their muscles. They've sent their only aircraft

2544
02:28:06,520 --> 02:28:09,600
Speaker 4: carrier to the waters off of the coast of Iran.

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02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:15,039
Speaker 4: President Macrone has said that he's going to expand their

2546
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:23,280
Speaker 4: nuclear weapons facility, for example. So I'm sympathetic to the

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02:28:23,360 --> 02:28:26,560
Speaker 4: Sahel nations in terms of the compromises that they have

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Speaker 4: to make.

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Speaker 5: And we need to keep in.

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02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:32,760
Speaker 4: Mind that there are two kinds of compromises. They're compromises

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02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:36,920
Speaker 4: that basically lead to your ultimate demise, and they're compromises

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02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:40,280
Speaker 4: that lead to your ultimate survival. I would like to

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02:28:40,400 --> 02:28:43,440
Speaker 4: think that what the Sahel nations are doing is the latter.

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02:28:44,879 --> 02:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then they're up against You mentioned the Ivorians,

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02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Courtivar and the Nigerian So it's supposed to be supposed

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02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:55,280
Speaker 1: to be running interference against the Sahal nations. Can you

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02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:57,680
Speaker 1: can you expound on that for us? Is that true?

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Speaker 1: Is that just internet chatter?

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Speaker 4: Well, now I'm afraid to say that Nigeria really needs

2560
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:07,480
Speaker 4: to step up its game. Recall that President to Nubu

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02:29:07,640 --> 02:29:11,000
Speaker 4: once lived in the United States of America and fled

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02:29:11,160 --> 02:29:15,160
Speaker 4: some years ago with drug charges hanging over his head.

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02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:19,680
Speaker 4: The scuttle butt is that the United States is still

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02:29:20,120 --> 02:29:25,120
Speaker 4: holding files that do not reflect well upon the Nigerian president.

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Speaker 4: Recall that when you have to change a regime in

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Speaker 4: neighboring Niger a few years ago, that President to Nubu,

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Speaker 4: under the encouragement from Washington, had to be restrained by

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02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:44,120
Speaker 4: Nigerians from launching an invasion of Nigier. Recall that when

2569
02:29:44,320 --> 02:29:48,640
Speaker 4: it seemed that Bening was about to go down the

2570
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:53,360
Speaker 4: path of the Sahel States, that the Nigerians, apparently in

2571
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:58,680
Speaker 4: league with the French, stop that from happening, and I

2572
02:29:58,760 --> 02:30:02,520
Speaker 4: don't need to psych chapter and verse. I'm sure about

2573
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:07,600
Speaker 4: President Wutara of Ivory Coasts, who was fundamentally a stew

2574
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:11,840
Speaker 4: of French imperialism. Recall that when there was an electoral

2575
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:17,520
Speaker 4: diute in Coache de Vous a few years ago, that

2576
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:24,039
Speaker 4: the French paratroopers landed and bundled up mister Wutara's opponents

2577
02:30:24,280 --> 02:30:27,119
Speaker 4: and his wife by the way, and sent them off

2578
02:30:27,160 --> 02:30:30,840
Speaker 4: to the hay to stand trial. They only returned a

2579
02:30:30,959 --> 02:30:36,920
Speaker 4: year or so ago. So you have these agents of

2580
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:40,800
Speaker 4: imperialism who were occupying the highest levels of power in

2581
02:30:40,879 --> 02:30:43,520
Speaker 4: West Africa, and it's going to be difficult for the

2582
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:46,640
Speaker 4: sub region to advance as long as best the case.

2583
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:49,880
Speaker 1: At twelve out of there, Tavia, and that's going down.

2584
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,720
Speaker 1: What's the AU, the African Union doing all about doing

2585
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:53,120
Speaker 1: about this?

2586
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:57,440
Speaker 4: Well, the AU is a creature of its member states

2587
02:30:57,800 --> 02:31:01,960
Speaker 4: and the largest member state is Nigeria. Need I say more.

2588
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:07,160
Speaker 4: What I'm worried about is Nigeria conspiring against South Africa

2589
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:12,120
Speaker 4: because South Africa is not on the positive side of

2590
02:31:12,200 --> 02:31:15,119
Speaker 4: the ledger as far as mister Trump is concerned. Recall

2591
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:19,320
Speaker 4: how President Ramaposa was ambushed in the Oval Office by

2592
02:31:19,480 --> 02:31:23,640
Speaker 4: mister Trump and his then first buddy Elon musk A

2593
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:29,560
Speaker 4: Partaid Vintage recalled that when President Ramaposa authorized that the

2594
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:32,640
Speaker 4: South Africa take Israel to the International Court of Justice

2595
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:35,800
Speaker 4: where they made out a credible case for genocide, that

2596
02:31:35,959 --> 02:31:38,040
Speaker 4: that did not go down very well in Washington a

2597
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:42,119
Speaker 4: few weeks ago. You have military maneuvers between the South

2598
02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:47,360
Speaker 4: African military on the one hand and the Iranian, Chinese

2599
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:52,040
Speaker 4: and Russian military on the other. What worries me is

2600
02:31:52,200 --> 02:31:57,400
Speaker 4: that Nigeria will be used as a spear against South Africa,

2601
02:31:58,120 --> 02:32:01,960
Speaker 4: as was attempted a few years ago, as noted with

2602
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:03,360
Speaker 4: regard to Niger.

2603
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:08,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and add this to the makes as well, doctor Horne,

2604
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:12,160
Speaker 1: these fightings between Nigerians and South Africans, because the South

2605
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Africa's are claiming that Nigerians are coming, like Zimbabwean's coming

2606
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:18,360
Speaker 1: across the border, taking their jobs and taking their women.

2607
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:22,600
Speaker 1: And this is a sort of an anti immigration act

2608
02:32:22,680 --> 02:32:25,240
Speaker 1: going on in South Africa. They're trying to get the

2609
02:32:25,320 --> 02:32:28,640
Speaker 1: country to, you know, to kick out quote unquote illegal immigrants.

2610
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Can you discuss that.

2611
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,960
Speaker 4: Well, Hollywood has not been helpful. I'm sure you recalled

2612
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,600
Speaker 4: the movie from a few years ago District nine, which

2613
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:41,600
Speaker 4: portrayed Nigerians as aliens from outer space who were invading

2614
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:47,680
Speaker 4: South Africa. To believe it or not, And so what's

2615
02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:52,959
Speaker 4: happening is that many African economies, because of imperialist exploitation,

2616
02:32:53,800 --> 02:32:59,960
Speaker 4: generate unemployment on a mass basis, and then the unemployed

2617
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:08,400
Speaker 4: flow into South Africa, where obviously the tennisons, the citizens

2618
02:33:08,440 --> 02:33:10,880
Speaker 4: of South Africa are not necessarily doing very well.

2619
02:33:11,480 --> 02:33:12,959
Speaker 25: And then you have right wing.

2620
02:33:12,879 --> 02:33:17,000
Speaker 4: Political parties that whip up anti immigrants hysteria for example.

2621
02:33:17,360 --> 02:33:21,000
Speaker 4: It's a very difficult problem. But once again the United

2622
02:33:21,080 --> 02:33:22,560
Speaker 4: States has not been of assistance.

2623
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Fifteen ath the top of the family, just checking in.

2624
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Our guess is doctor Gerald Horn from the University of Houston.

2625
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:29,920
Speaker 1: We're going to touch on several more talkers. We want

2626
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,240
Speaker 1: to talk about Cuba. Also want to talk about the

2627
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, also the Afghan Pakistani conflict, and Nicholas Maduro.

2628
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:39,680
Speaker 1: We haven't heard about Nicholas Maduro, but I'll tell you, well,

2629
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:41,320
Speaker 1: let's take this quick break and we come back and

2630
02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:43,760
Speaker 1: you've got questions. You can join us as well. You

2631
02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:45,680
Speaker 1: know how to reach us. Just dial us up at

2632
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:48,880
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2633
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and ground Rising family,

2634
02:33:51,879 --> 02:33:53,640
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Thursday morning with

2635
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:55,320
Speaker 1: our guest doctor Gerald Horn. Do you know how to

2636
02:33:55,400 --> 02:33:58,080
Speaker 1: reach doctor Horn eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2637
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:01,360
Speaker 1: eight seventy six before we go to find out what's

2638
02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:03,920
Speaker 1: going to move with the Afghan Pakistani conflict. Though, Danny

2639
02:34:04,040 --> 02:34:07,440
Speaker 1: calling from California has a question for doctor Horn, Grand Rising, Dan,

2640
02:34:07,560 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 1: your question for doctor Horn.

2641
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:14,400
Speaker 14: Grand Rising, Grand Rising. That's just great to talk to you.

2642
02:34:15,080 --> 02:34:17,760
Speaker 14: It's an all that pleasure. I'd love to ask you

2643
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:18,800
Speaker 14: about two questions.

2644
02:34:18,879 --> 02:34:20,320
Speaker 19: And I want to ask you.

2645
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:27,440
Speaker 14: How prepare is Africa or resource rich continent with a

2646
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:28,160
Speaker 14: population of.

2647
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:32,200
Speaker 24: About one point four billion people? I prepare is Africa

2648
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:36,600
Speaker 24: for the fallout from this schoolman doom from the Middle East?

2649
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:40,600
Speaker 24: And number two, what's your thinking that a break nation

2650
02:34:40,840 --> 02:34:41,640
Speaker 24: has been attacked?

2651
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:44,360
Speaker 1: All right? Thanks Dan?

2652
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:49,720
Speaker 4: Well with regard to the first question, as noted, Algeria

2653
02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:55,199
Speaker 4: may benefit from this conflict in Iran because with Gutter

2654
02:34:55,360 --> 02:34:58,920
Speaker 4: not being able to shift natural gas to Europe, Algeria

2655
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,800
Speaker 4: can step into the reach and actually charge the Europeans

2656
02:35:01,879 --> 02:35:06,720
Speaker 4: more for natural gas. Likewise, with regard to petroleum, if

2657
02:35:06,959 --> 02:35:13,240
Speaker 4: the Saudis facilities are disrupted, that provides an opportunity for Angola,

2658
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:20,080
Speaker 4: for Gabon, for Nigeria, amongst others. Now, Carl, you're going

2659
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 4: to have to restate the question to the second question

2660
02:35:22,480 --> 02:35:23,520
Speaker 4: with regard to the bricks.

2661
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I didn't so, yeah, yeah, he wanted to know. You

2662
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 1: know now that the bricks nations involved, how's that going

2663
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:30,560
Speaker 1: to impact what's going on?

2664
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:38,160
Speaker 4: Well has noted Russian and China are probably providing intelligence

2665
02:35:38,840 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 4: to the Iranians. India is the wild card, recalled it

2666
02:35:42,879 --> 02:35:48,000
Speaker 4: just last week promised to modif visited Israel. Now India

2667
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:51,640
Speaker 4: has this so called Hindu chauvin dis government. There's a

2668
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:56,120
Speaker 4: fair amount of Islamophobia in New Delhi. They have on

2669
02:35:56,280 --> 02:36:00,119
Speaker 4: one border Pakistan, a predominantly Muslim nation with which they

2670
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:04,400
Speaker 4: have problems. On the other border Bangladesh, predominantly Muslim nation,

2671
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:08,720
Speaker 4: which in the recent elections brought certain Islamist into influence

2672
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:14,120
Speaker 4: and power. But the New Delhi regime has been rather

2673
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:18,680
Speaker 4: quiet about the attack on Iran. That's going to be

2674
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:22,840
Speaker 4: disrupted to the bricks Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa

2675
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:28,120
Speaker 4: and Iran recently co opted it into the bricks. So

2676
02:36:28,360 --> 02:36:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what's going to happen with regard to

2677
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:32,039
Speaker 4: their formation.

2678
02:36:33,240 --> 02:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a neighboring. Pakistan's involved with a conflict

2679
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,800
Speaker 1: with the Afghans. Can you explain what's going on there?

2680
02:36:38,959 --> 02:36:39,520
Speaker 1: Doctor horn?

2681
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:42,640
Speaker 4: Well to existent this is chickens coming home to roots

2682
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:50,280
Speaker 4: recalled that Pakistan supported the Taliban now in power during

2683
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:54,080
Speaker 4: their decades long struggle against the US intervention, even though

2684
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:57,880
Speaker 4: Pakistan was quite typically was playing a double game. That

2685
02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:00,640
Speaker 4: is to say, supposedly they won decide the United States,

2686
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:04,960
Speaker 4: but under the table they were supplying the Taliban. But

2687
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:09,560
Speaker 4: now the United States has gone, the conflicts between Pakistan

2688
02:37:09,640 --> 02:37:12,040
Speaker 4: and the Taliban have come out into the open. The

2689
02:37:12,120 --> 02:37:17,000
Speaker 4: Pakistanians have charged that the Taliban is supporting and supplying

2690
02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:22,720
Speaker 4: a so called Pakistani Taliban within Pakistan's borders, and in

2691
02:37:22,840 --> 02:37:25,720
Speaker 4: the last week or so that has interrupted in war.

2692
02:37:26,440 --> 02:37:30,840
Speaker 4: If you did not have this Iran war, foremost in

2693
02:37:30,959 --> 02:37:34,080
Speaker 4: the headlines would be this Pakistan Afghan war.

2694
02:37:35,320 --> 02:37:39,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to Cuba. They say that's

2695
02:37:39,240 --> 02:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the next domino to fall in Donald Trump's hand. Did

2696
02:37:42,520 --> 02:37:44,760
Speaker 1: you see that happening with the help of Marko Rubio.

2697
02:37:47,160 --> 02:37:53,720
Speaker 4: Well, I do see happening increasing the blockade against Cuba.

2698
02:37:55,080 --> 02:37:58,480
Speaker 4: There has been since January third, twenty twenty six, with

2699
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:02,879
Speaker 4: the abduction of President Dural. The oil supplies of Venezuela

2700
02:38:03,240 --> 02:38:08,560
Speaker 4: had previously shipped to Cuba have fundamentally ceased. There's been

2701
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:12,440
Speaker 4: pressure on Mexico not to step into the vacuum because

2702
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:18,000
Speaker 4: Mexico is an oil producing nation, and there is increasing

2703
02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:23,080
Speaker 4: pressure on President Shamebaum of Mexico City to not aid Cuba.

2704
02:38:23,720 --> 02:38:27,439
Speaker 4: The good news is that there are these humanitarians flotillas

2705
02:38:28,200 --> 02:38:34,760
Speaker 4: leaving from Washington, but also from Europe and from Brazil.

2706
02:38:35,480 --> 02:38:38,480
Speaker 4: I'm talking about citizens of Washington, not the government, of course,

2707
02:38:39,160 --> 02:38:43,279
Speaker 4: that are going to be bringing humanitarian supplies to Cuba

2708
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:48,039
Speaker 4: beginning in about nine or ten days. You know, of course,

2709
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:53,440
Speaker 4: that last week there was an attempt to invade Cuba

2710
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:59,080
Speaker 4: by these South Florida to Banos. Anmber of them were killed.

2711
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 4: A number of others are going to be put on trial.

2712
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,520
Speaker 4: They're going to be serving hard time in Cuban prisons.

2713
02:39:06,320 --> 02:39:09,879
Speaker 4: They could be traded, that is to say, sent back

2714
02:39:09,879 --> 02:39:13,800
Speaker 4: to the United States in exchange for sending prisoners the

2715
02:39:13,879 --> 02:39:17,320
Speaker 4: United states that are Cuban ancestry back to the island itself.

2716
02:39:18,480 --> 02:39:23,000
Speaker 4: I suspect that with the tensions between Spain and the

2717
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:27,680
Speaker 4: United States, that Spain will try to improve relations with Cuba.

2718
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:30,280
Speaker 4: I say the same thing with regard to Canada, with

2719
02:39:30,400 --> 02:39:33,720
Speaker 4: mister Trump talking about the fifty first state being made

2720
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:37,080
Speaker 4: out of Canada, that Canada likely will improve relations with

2721
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:40,879
Speaker 4: Cuba as well. Then Cuba has the advantage of geography.

2722
02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:43,280
Speaker 4: That is to say, if you try to do in

2723
02:39:43,360 --> 02:39:46,520
Speaker 4: Cuba what the United States has done in Iran, they're

2724
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:51,680
Speaker 4: only ninety miles from Cuba to Key West Florida, not

2725
02:39:51,879 --> 02:39:54,959
Speaker 4: that far to mar A Lago itself. And with all

2726
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:59,600
Speaker 4: these California billionaires moving to South Florida because they're trying

2727
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:03,760
Speaker 4: to escape the billionaire attacks in the Golden State, I

2728
02:40:03,879 --> 02:40:05,960
Speaker 4: hope that they're following the news they might want to

2729
02:40:06,080 --> 02:40:07,240
Speaker 4: change their travel plans.

2730
02:40:07,879 --> 02:40:10,920
Speaker 1: Wow, twenty six have a tough doctor Horne. It's also

2731
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:14,280
Speaker 1: causing issues in the Caribbean carry com from what I

2732
02:40:14,400 --> 02:40:17,480
Speaker 1: understand that Trinidad is on Tobago, so that would be

2733
02:40:17,560 --> 02:40:19,720
Speaker 1: on the side of the United States that Donald Trumps

2734
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:22,760
Speaker 1: issued a warning telling those small nations not to do

2735
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:26,720
Speaker 1: business with Trinidad, I mean, not to do business with Cuba.

2736
02:40:26,879 --> 02:40:28,680
Speaker 1: How is that working out there? Do you think they're

2737
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:32,560
Speaker 1: going to defy the United States and still do business

2738
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:35,280
Speaker 1: with with the people in their region or are they

2739
02:40:35,360 --> 02:40:36,920
Speaker 1: going to do like Trinidad unfold.

2740
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:41,280
Speaker 4: It's hard to say, but I'm very disappointed with Trinidad

2741
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:43,720
Speaker 4: and Tobago. They've been making, as a matter of fact,

2742
02:40:44,080 --> 02:40:49,400
Speaker 4: unjustified claims against Barbados, for example, And you need to realize,

2743
02:40:49,400 --> 02:40:51,640
Speaker 4: and I'm sure you do, that these are small nations.

2744
02:40:51,800 --> 02:40:55,600
Speaker 4: Barbados only has a population about three hundred thousand, for example,

2745
02:40:56,320 --> 02:40:59,920
Speaker 4: and the fact that Mia Mockley, the Prime Minister, can

2746
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:04,600
Speaker 4: be so vocal is something of a marble. And also

2747
02:41:04,760 --> 02:41:07,880
Speaker 4: on the side of Trinidad, I'm afraid to say, is Guyana,

2748
02:41:08,720 --> 02:41:11,480
Speaker 4: which is in bed with the US oil giants. And

2749
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:15,400
Speaker 4: in fact, Trinidad and Guyana were conspiring against the Maduro

2750
02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:19,800
Speaker 4: regime before he was abducted, abducted and kidnapped, helping to

2751
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:23,480
Speaker 4: weaken that regime. So there's clearly a split within the

2752
02:41:23,560 --> 02:41:27,520
Speaker 4: Caribbean community. You saw that when Marco Rubio, the Secretary

2753
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:29,800
Speaker 4: of State Food down of Saint Kitts just a few

2754
02:41:29,879 --> 02:41:33,240
Speaker 4: days ago for the Cara Com meeting, he was embraced

2755
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:36,520
Speaker 4: by certain care COM leaders. I'm surprised that Mia Motley

2756
02:41:36,600 --> 02:41:39,720
Speaker 4: decided to show up for the photograph where she was

2757
02:41:39,879 --> 02:41:43,200
Speaker 4: photographed not far distant from mister Rubio.

2758
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:46,600
Speaker 1: Interesting things going on there. But how much of this

2759
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:49,320
Speaker 1: is because you know, you mentioned Guyana and Trinidad both

2760
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:53,160
Speaker 1: like they have an Indian population and an African population

2761
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:57,640
Speaker 1: right now, the Indian ruling it and the political parties

2762
02:41:58,080 --> 02:42:00,920
Speaker 1: I think go down the racial split as well. How

2763
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:02,879
Speaker 1: much does that has to do with the band decision

2764
02:42:02,959 --> 02:42:06,920
Speaker 1: to go with the Trump administration as against the other

2765
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:08,560
Speaker 1: nations in Carra.

2766
02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:15,279
Speaker 4: Con well, with regard to both nations trensent Tobago and Guyana,

2767
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:19,640
Speaker 4: they're both oil producing nations. In particularly with regard to Guyana,

2768
02:42:20,760 --> 02:42:26,680
Speaker 4: those green dollar bills are attracted to Africans and Indians

2769
02:42:26,920 --> 02:42:31,280
Speaker 4: a light I'm afraid to say. Barbados is heavily dependent

2770
02:42:32,040 --> 02:42:36,480
Speaker 4: on tourism. It once was dependent upon sugar, but that's

2771
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:39,480
Speaker 4: basically gone down the tubes. And you can say the

2772
02:42:39,560 --> 02:42:42,520
Speaker 4: same thing for Jamaica, which in many ways is the

2773
02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:46,440
Speaker 4: giant of the subregion, having a population of about two million,

2774
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:49,879
Speaker 4: with the perhaps a few million more in the United States,

2775
02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:55,480
Speaker 4: Canada and the UK, for example. So these small nations

2776
02:42:56,080 --> 02:43:01,280
Speaker 4: obviously need to improve their coordination and their codes, and

2777
02:43:01,480 --> 02:43:05,640
Speaker 4: certainly I hope they realized that if, by some stroke

2778
02:43:05,800 --> 02:43:08,800
Speaker 4: of luck or fate on behalf of the Trump administration

2779
02:43:09,240 --> 02:43:12,840
Speaker 4: and they're able to sink the Cuban government, then they're

2780
02:43:12,959 --> 02:43:16,240
Speaker 4: next one to hit the lists. I'm afraid to say, wow.

2781
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes off the top of there with that guest

2782
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:21,120
Speaker 1: at a history professor, doctor Gerald Horne. As I mentioned,

2783
02:43:21,160 --> 02:43:23,120
Speaker 1: he's also an attorney. One of the smartest brothers we

2784
02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:26,000
Speaker 1: have out there, doctor Horns. Let's get local now, and

2785
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,320
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with you off air. We talked

2786
02:43:28,360 --> 02:43:30,560
Speaker 1: about the Texas are saying, look, it looks like Texas

2787
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:34,560
Speaker 1: is turning purple or is moving You said not so so.

2788
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:38,840
Speaker 1: After the elections, you know that we saw the Jasmin

2789
02:43:38,920 --> 02:43:41,960
Speaker 1: Crockett came up short. She still say that Texas is

2790
02:43:42,040 --> 02:43:43,360
Speaker 1: not turning purple.

2791
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:45,600
Speaker 23: Well, it depends.

2792
02:43:45,959 --> 02:43:52,240
Speaker 4: I'm sifting through the electoral returns and the man who

2793
02:43:52,400 --> 02:43:58,440
Speaker 4: defeated Jasmine Crockett, the fire brand congresswoman from Dallas, did

2794
02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:02,600
Speaker 4: relatively well. And South Texas, where you have a largely

2795
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:08,840
Speaker 4: Mexican American population. Recall that those districts, many of them,

2796
02:44:08,959 --> 02:44:12,040
Speaker 4: went heavily for mister Trump in twenty twenty four. They

2797
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:16,400
Speaker 4: seem to be deserting mister Trump for good reason, and

2798
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:21,040
Speaker 4: they seemingly deserted the Jasmine Crockett, and she was quoted

2799
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:23,680
Speaker 4: as making certain statements that did not go down very

2800
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:27,720
Speaker 4: well in those communities. I think it's too soon to

2801
02:44:27,800 --> 02:44:33,240
Speaker 4: say once again whether Texas is turning purple. Recall that

2802
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:37,040
Speaker 4: the Republicans have had a stranglehold on statewide offices for

2803
02:44:37,160 --> 02:44:39,280
Speaker 4: over thirty years now. I don't see that as an

2804
02:44:39,360 --> 02:44:45,600
Speaker 4: accident or a coincidence. And likewise, unless there's a circular

2805
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:49,280
Speaker 4: firing squad erupting the Republican Party, it's going to be

2806
02:44:49,360 --> 02:44:52,880
Speaker 4: difficult to reverse that trend. Now that circular firing squad

2807
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:57,560
Speaker 4: may be erupting. Because the incumbent Senator John Cornyn had

2808
02:44:57,720 --> 02:45:02,199
Speaker 4: a bloody, knock down, drag out primary battle with Secretary

2809
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:05,520
Speaker 4: excuse me, Attorney General Ken Paxton. They're going to be

2810
02:45:06,440 --> 02:45:09,680
Speaker 4: more fight between those two candidates before the runoff at

2811
02:45:09,720 --> 02:45:15,960
Speaker 4: the end of May. Mister Paxton is ethically challenged. He

2812
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:20,000
Speaker 4: almost got impeached and removed. He's been accused by his

2813
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:25,200
Speaker 4: wife of being a serial adulterer. For example, this is

2814
02:45:25,280 --> 02:45:28,680
Speaker 4: nothing new for the GOP, the supposed party of the

2815
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:35,680
Speaker 4: moral Majority. Congressman Tuning Gonzales of Texas, who is a Republican,

2816
02:45:36,360 --> 02:45:40,440
Speaker 4: he almost lost his primary because he was having an

2817
02:45:40,440 --> 02:45:44,440
Speaker 4: affair with his staffer, who then committed suicide. Matter of fact,

2818
02:45:44,520 --> 02:45:48,720
Speaker 4: she committed suicide in a very bloody manners. She set

2819
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:52,600
Speaker 4: herself on fire, by the way, and so it's going

2820
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:54,640
Speaker 4: to be very difficult for him to return to office.

2821
02:45:56,160 --> 02:45:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and first he denied that he was having an affair,

2822
02:45:58,400 --> 02:46:00,360
Speaker 1: and now I guess after he lost the race, he's

2823
02:46:00,400 --> 02:46:03,880
Speaker 1: admitting that they did have an affair. But Paxton, the

2824
02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Attorney general, he's a flawed candidate. Why she has so

2825
02:46:08,120 --> 02:46:12,040
Speaker 1: much huge support, especially with the magat crowd in Texas well.

2826
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:16,280
Speaker 4: What's interesting about this race between Paxton and Cornan is

2827
02:46:16,400 --> 02:46:22,360
Speaker 4: that Cornan spent a truckload of money, Paxton hardly spent anything,

2828
02:46:22,440 --> 02:46:28,119
Speaker 4: He hardly campaigned, and yet Corner barely survived. That suggests

2829
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:31,800
Speaker 4: to me that in this runoff, Paxton will probably prevail,

2830
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:36,120
Speaker 4: which is terrible news. For example, but what it bespeaks

2831
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:41,360
Speaker 4: once again is the right wing nature of the settler

2832
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:46,520
Speaker 4: descendant population in Texas. Recalled that Texas was a slave

2833
02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:50,920
Speaker 4: owning state. Today, Texas has the largest black population in

2834
02:46:50,959 --> 02:46:54,840
Speaker 4: the United States of America. Texas was the Confederate state

2835
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:59,640
Speaker 4: least damaged during the US Civil War. Texas wanted to

2836
02:46:59,720 --> 02:47:03,200
Speaker 4: content you slavery after the Confederacy was defeated. And that's

2837
02:47:03,360 --> 02:47:08,040
Speaker 4: really the true story of Juneteenth, contrary to all this propaganda.

2838
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:12,360
Speaker 4: That is to say, the US troops showed up in

2839
02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:15,920
Speaker 4: Galveston not necessarily to tell the black people that they

2840
02:47:15,959 --> 02:47:19,560
Speaker 4: were free, but to try to keep the Eurotexans from

2841
02:47:19,640 --> 02:47:23,480
Speaker 4: continuing slavery, for example, which they thought to do by

2842
02:47:23,640 --> 02:47:27,360
Speaker 4: descending into Mexico for example. So this is going to

2843
02:47:27,400 --> 02:47:29,960
Speaker 4: be a very hard nut to crack, speaking of the

2844
02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:30,879
Speaker 4: lone start state.

2845
02:47:31,959 --> 02:47:34,680
Speaker 1: But how much of this the redistricting of the state

2846
02:47:34,959 --> 02:47:39,440
Speaker 1: estate helped that it impacted a Jasmine Krock and al Green.

2847
02:47:39,520 --> 02:47:41,200
Speaker 1: He's forced into a runoff as well.

2848
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:42,960
Speaker 13: Well.

2849
02:47:43,240 --> 02:47:46,279
Speaker 4: Al Green is going to have a tough race because

2850
02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:52,039
Speaker 4: Chris Menafee now al Green is a senior citizen. Chris

2851
02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:56,039
Speaker 4: Menifee is in his thirties. Menifee Randy's very effective ad

2852
02:47:56,560 --> 02:48:01,000
Speaker 4: picturing him with his attractive spouse and his young children,

2853
02:48:01,160 --> 02:48:04,680
Speaker 4: for example. I think that there's this notion of float

2854
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:07,199
Speaker 4: in the United States that some of our senior citizens

2855
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:12,000
Speaker 4: need to retire and let a younger generation search forward.

2856
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:15,480
Speaker 4: That's going to help Chris Minafee with regard to this runoff.

2857
02:48:16,320 --> 02:48:19,320
Speaker 4: So al Green has been a battler and a fighter.

2858
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:22,400
Speaker 4: He's been in the forefront of trying to impeach mister Trump.

2859
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:25,000
Speaker 4: Recall what happened at the State of the Union when

2860
02:48:25,000 --> 02:48:28,200
Speaker 4: he held up a sign saying black people are not apes,

2861
02:48:28,400 --> 02:48:32,480
Speaker 4: referring to mister Trump's social media posts saying precisely that,

2862
02:48:32,840 --> 02:48:37,480
Speaker 4: and the way he tried to impugne Barack Obama and

2863
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:41,360
Speaker 4: Michelle Obama by picturing them as apes, for example. So,

2864
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:46,160
Speaker 4: despite his record as a battler and a fighter, I'm

2865
02:48:46,240 --> 02:48:48,400
Speaker 4: not sure if al Green will be able to survive.

2866
02:48:49,800 --> 02:48:52,400
Speaker 1: Jazarine Cockey. Does she have a does she have any

2867
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:55,200
Speaker 1: being left in the town? Could she rerun against? There

2868
02:48:55,240 --> 02:48:58,080
Speaker 1: any spot for her to any racist in Texas?

2869
02:49:00,120 --> 02:49:03,760
Speaker 4: Hard to say of you know, this is a backward state,

2870
02:49:04,400 --> 02:49:05,320
Speaker 4: this reactionary.

2871
02:49:05,480 --> 02:49:05,840
Speaker 23: I mean.

2872
02:49:08,240 --> 02:49:11,240
Speaker 4: Every electoral cycle we keep hearing about purple Texas and

2873
02:49:11,320 --> 02:49:14,360
Speaker 4: Blue Texas. But I think to a certain extent, the

2874
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:16,440
Speaker 4: people on this side of the aisle, they don't want

2875
02:49:16,480 --> 02:49:18,480
Speaker 4: to come to grips with the reality. For whatever reason.

2876
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:20,680
Speaker 4: I think it's because they don't understand us history. I

2877
02:49:20,680 --> 02:49:23,120
Speaker 4: think that's really what it comes down to. They just

2878
02:49:23,200 --> 02:49:27,000
Speaker 4: sort of parachute into the present moment and disregard history.

2879
02:49:27,320 --> 02:49:29,560
Speaker 4: I mean, that's like the patient going to the doctor

2880
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:33,360
Speaker 4: and not telling the doctor that he's been smoking three

2881
02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:36,640
Speaker 4: packs of cigarettes a day for thirty years, and then

2882
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:39,400
Speaker 4: the doctor can't figure out why he has lung cancer,

2883
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:43,600
Speaker 4: for example. And that's the sad story of many of

2884
02:49:43,640 --> 02:49:46,560
Speaker 4: our pundits, is that they just look at the current

2885
02:49:46,680 --> 02:49:49,880
Speaker 4: makeup of the state, which has a black, brown majority.

2886
02:49:50,520 --> 02:49:54,040
Speaker 4: Then they don't look into jerry mandering. They don't look

2887
02:49:54,120 --> 02:49:57,920
Speaker 4: into being able to buy off certain black leaders, certain

2888
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:02,640
Speaker 4: brown leaders, for example. They don't look into the overall atmosphere.

2889
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean, for example, and the university is now, but

2890
02:50:05,160 --> 02:50:08,280
Speaker 4: they're making it difficult to teach about slavery for example.

2891
02:50:08,400 --> 02:50:11,760
Speaker 4: They're even making difficult to teach about Plato for example.

2892
02:50:12,520 --> 02:50:15,320
Speaker 4: These people are so hysterical and so backwards, and the

2893
02:50:15,400 --> 02:50:18,520
Speaker 4: university is supposed to be the liberal bashion not in

2894
02:50:18,600 --> 02:50:19,520
Speaker 4: the lone Star state.

2895
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back to Jasmine Crockett though

2896
02:50:23,240 --> 02:50:25,240
Speaker 1: a professor Horn, because some people says it was a

2897
02:50:25,360 --> 02:50:27,480
Speaker 1: style that she comes over as brash, and you know,

2898
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:29,920
Speaker 1: if they even go to spread it, there's the angry

2899
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:35,040
Speaker 1: black women. So if she was more I guess moderate

2900
02:50:35,160 --> 02:50:38,160
Speaker 1: in her output, that she would have gotten a lot

2901
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:40,080
Speaker 1: of votes. They said that turned off a lot of people,

2902
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:42,560
Speaker 1: including a lot of blacks in Texas. I want you

2903
02:50:42,600 --> 02:50:44,000
Speaker 1: address it, but I'm looking at clock. We got to

2904
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:45,440
Speaker 1: take a short break. When we come back, I'll let

2905
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:47,160
Speaker 1: you answer that and also give us what's going on

2906
02:50:47,240 --> 02:50:49,520
Speaker 1: in the sedan and let's talk some sports as well.

2907
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Twenty three minutes away from the top of the our family.

2908
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:53,800
Speaker 1: You two can get in on this discussion with doctor

2909
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Gerald Horn. You know how to do. Just reach out

2910
02:50:55,959 --> 02:50:58,640
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2911
02:50:58,680 --> 02:51:01,720
Speaker 1: eight seventy sixth will take phone calls next and Grand

2912
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:04,240
Speaker 1: Rising Family, thanks to staying with us all morning. Along

2913
02:51:04,280 --> 02:51:06,320
Speaker 1: with our guest. Right now is doctor Gerald Horn. Doctor

2914
02:51:06,360 --> 02:51:09,280
Speaker 1: Horn from the University of Houston and any topic you want.

2915
02:51:09,640 --> 02:51:11,360
Speaker 1: This is a man you need to pose that topic too,

2916
02:51:11,440 --> 02:51:13,720
Speaker 1: has written several books. Sometimes he's writing two and three

2917
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:15,680
Speaker 1: books at the same time. Before go back to the

2918
02:51:15,879 --> 02:51:17,960
Speaker 1: let's be remind it. Tomorrow's Friday, So give you a

2919
02:51:18,040 --> 02:51:19,800
Speaker 1: chance to free your mind and all that means think

2920
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:22,320
Speaker 1: for yourself. Join us for our open form Friday program

2921
02:51:22,440 --> 02:51:24,680
Speaker 1: again promptly at six am Eastern Time, right here in

2922
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB. Also on the DMV on

2923
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:31,200
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen wl so doctor Horne. Before we left, the

2924
02:51:31,280 --> 02:51:34,120
Speaker 1: question about Jasmine Crockett. Some people say that these are

2925
02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:36,519
Speaker 1: black folks, were saying that she was sort of abrasive

2926
02:51:36,959 --> 02:51:40,040
Speaker 1: a style, you know, rubbed them the wrong way. You know,

2927
02:51:40,600 --> 02:51:43,280
Speaker 1: when you have a sister this confident and she speaks

2928
02:51:43,360 --> 02:51:46,119
Speaker 1: in mind, some people think she's angry, the angry black

2929
02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:49,080
Speaker 1: woman tag they thought. They are saying, if she came

2930
02:51:49,160 --> 02:51:52,480
Speaker 1: back a little milder, I guess I don't have to

2931
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:56,320
Speaker 1: have what they want. Should have done better in the

2932
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:57,640
Speaker 1: election your thoughts.

2933
02:51:58,959 --> 02:52:01,880
Speaker 4: I think that that's an old blown criticism. I mean,

2934
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:05,880
Speaker 4: look at Kamala Harrin. I mean she was not a

2935
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:10,119
Speaker 4: Jasmine Crocket type candidate, and yet she lost a race

2936
02:52:10,360 --> 02:52:14,560
Speaker 4: to a convicted felon for example, a n income poop

2937
02:52:14,879 --> 02:52:19,960
Speaker 4: in more ways than one. So instead of criticizing these

2938
02:52:20,520 --> 02:52:25,600
Speaker 4: candidates like Congresswoman Crocket, we should look at their opponents.

2939
02:52:25,959 --> 02:52:29,360
Speaker 4: We should look at the society that they're struggling against.

2940
02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:32,080
Speaker 4: In other words, we're looking through the wrong end of

2941
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:32,879
Speaker 4: the telescope.

2942
02:52:34,879 --> 02:52:37,600
Speaker 1: Got you. Before we move on to sports seventeen away

2943
02:52:37,640 --> 02:52:39,240
Speaker 1: from the time, day, doctor, what's going on in the

2944
02:52:39,320 --> 02:52:40,560
Speaker 1: Sudan that we should know about.

2945
02:52:42,440 --> 02:52:44,480
Speaker 4: It's not very good, I'm afraid to say it. But

2946
02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:47,040
Speaker 4: the good news, as I said a few moments ago,

2947
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:50,640
Speaker 4: is that the United Arab Immirates, which has been a

2948
02:52:50,840 --> 02:52:55,960
Speaker 4: major supporter of a faction in this conflict in Sudan,

2949
02:52:56,920 --> 02:53:01,080
Speaker 4: has had its wings clipped. It's under fired. As noted,

2950
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:04,200
Speaker 4: its value proposition was that it was an oasis of

2951
02:53:04,400 --> 02:53:08,760
Speaker 4: stability in that part of the world. It had one

2952
02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:14,320
Speaker 4: of the largest airports on planet Earth, for example. But

2953
02:53:14,480 --> 02:53:18,600
Speaker 4: now people are stranded there, they can't get out. Ron

2954
02:53:18,680 --> 02:53:22,080
Speaker 4: is shooting projectiles into the region. Hopefully they'll have a

2955
02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:26,720
Speaker 4: positive knock on impact in the Sudan. And in fact,

2956
02:53:27,080 --> 02:53:32,240
Speaker 4: if I were consulting with the leadership in Khartoum, I

2957
02:53:32,280 --> 02:53:36,600
Speaker 4: would advise them to begin immediate consultations with the Iranian

2958
02:53:36,680 --> 02:53:39,800
Speaker 4: authorities as to how to put pressure on the United

2959
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:43,480
Speaker 4: Arab Emirates so that they'll cut off their supplies to

2960
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:45,800
Speaker 4: those who are committing genocide in Sudan.

2961
02:53:47,240 --> 02:53:49,720
Speaker 1: Wow, fifteen minutes away from the top there with doctor

2962
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Jerald Hon, doctor Harn the Settle Seahawks. Have you had

2963
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:54,640
Speaker 1: to visit the White House? We saw the hockey team

2964
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:58,000
Speaker 1: that just finished the Winter Olympics State they at least

2965
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:00,640
Speaker 1: the men's team went to the White House. It's going

2966
02:54:00,680 --> 02:54:02,840
Speaker 1: to be a problem or this part of because the

2967
02:54:03,760 --> 02:54:06,040
Speaker 1: owners that are our supporters of Donald Trump and they're

2968
02:54:06,040 --> 02:54:08,800
Speaker 1: about to sell the team is already black group. But

2969
02:54:08,920 --> 02:54:11,960
Speaker 1: can conglamorate out there? Can afford any of these franchises

2970
02:54:12,040 --> 02:54:13,640
Speaker 1: that are out there right now?

2971
02:54:14,840 --> 02:54:17,960
Speaker 4: Oh sure, But the question is do they want to

2972
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:24,000
Speaker 4: invest their capital in that particular enterprise. I do think, however,

2973
02:54:24,520 --> 02:54:29,360
Speaker 4: that the National Football League may stand to benefit from

2974
02:54:30,160 --> 02:54:35,600
Speaker 4: this competition between Paramount and Warner Brothers on the one hand,

2975
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:39,440
Speaker 4: and Netflix and YouTube on the other. That is to

2976
02:54:39,560 --> 02:54:44,520
Speaker 4: say that the NFL, which has a roster of players

2977
02:54:44,600 --> 02:54:48,800
Speaker 4: that might be seventy percent plus black, can probably extract

2978
02:54:48,920 --> 02:54:53,120
Speaker 4: more billions as a result of this competition, and that

2979
02:54:53,879 --> 02:54:57,800
Speaker 4: should be good news for the players, that is to say,

2980
02:54:57,800 --> 02:55:00,439
Speaker 4: if they're able to negotiate successfu.

2981
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:04,640
Speaker 1: And speaking about the NFL doctor hornet, we saw this

2982
02:55:04,680 --> 02:55:06,640
Speaker 1: season at the end of the season, we had a

2983
02:55:06,680 --> 02:55:09,840
Speaker 1: few black head coaches. One resign in Pittsburgh, but a

2984
02:55:09,879 --> 02:55:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of them got fired and at a lot of

2985
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:16,360
Speaker 1: job openings, not one, not one single job opening as

2986
02:55:16,440 --> 02:55:18,560
Speaker 1: head coach in the NFL went to a black person

2987
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:21,720
Speaker 1: supposed to dealing with the Rooney rule. What's going on here?

2988
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Is it a Trump effect that's going on? Because you

2989
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Speaker 1: know this be real. Many of the owners of the

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Speaker 1: NFL teams of buddies with Donald Trump. How why do

2991
02:55:29,080 --> 02:55:30,600
Speaker 1: you see what went down in that?

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Speaker 4: I think you had then hit them the nail on

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02:55:33,320 --> 02:55:35,720
Speaker 4: the head. That is to say, you have these conservative

2994
02:55:35,720 --> 02:55:40,359
Speaker 4: owners like Robert Kraft in New England Patriots, Jerry Jones,

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02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:45,959
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys, for example, they're in this they coulatively at

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02:55:46,080 --> 02:55:49,560
Speaker 4: least with mister Trump. But I would also urge and

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02:55:49,720 --> 02:55:55,359
Speaker 4: encourage the players union to add to their negotiating strategy

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02:55:56,200 --> 02:55:59,400
Speaker 4: some upgrade of the so called Roomy rule, which calls

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Speaker 4: upon the owners when they're trying to pick a new

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02:56:04,280 --> 02:56:08,480
Speaker 4: head coach to have a compliment of black candidates in

3001
02:56:08,600 --> 02:56:12,920
Speaker 4: the mix. But I think that it's difficult right now

3002
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:16,520
Speaker 4: with this current political climate. The attack on diversity equity

3003
02:56:16,560 --> 02:56:20,600
Speaker 4: inclusion recalled that mister Trump claiming that he strangled diversity

3004
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:24,080
Speaker 4: equity inclusion got some of the stormiest applause during his

3005
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:28,560
Speaker 4: State of the Union address. So the overall political climate

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02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:32,640
Speaker 4: right now in the United States is not conducive to

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02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:36,200
Speaker 4: what the players union might want to propose.

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02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday we had John Carlis on you, and

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02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's familiar that the Mexico City Olympics in

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02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:45,880
Speaker 1: sixty eight and all the turmoil that was going on

3011
02:56:45,959 --> 02:56:48,160
Speaker 1: through sixty had a seminole year for us in this

3012
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:52,480
Speaker 1: country with the assassination wars and you know, the fights

3013
02:56:53,000 --> 02:56:55,320
Speaker 1: at conventions and there's a lot going on. That year,

3014
02:56:55,360 --> 02:56:57,680
Speaker 1: we have the Olympics and John Collison, Thomas Smith, they

3015
02:56:57,720 --> 02:57:00,240
Speaker 1: threw up the fist, which was now today it's just

3016
02:57:00,360 --> 02:57:03,640
Speaker 1: sort of mild, but they were they were criticized, but

3017
02:57:03,720 --> 02:57:05,680
Speaker 1: they did it for the black community. They want to

3018
02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:08,880
Speaker 1: bring attention to what's going on the black community. Doctor Horne,

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Speaker 1: do you see any player in the NFL or the NBA.

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02:57:12,600 --> 02:57:15,560
Speaker 1: Who has that gravitas? Who would do that? Speak up

3021
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:18,280
Speaker 1: for us? Is any kind of player on any of

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02:57:18,320 --> 02:57:21,760
Speaker 1: these major leagues would do that? You think, you know

3023
02:57:22,520 --> 02:57:23,600
Speaker 1: we would do something like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have two words for you. Colin Kaepernick recalled

3025
02:57:29,720 --> 02:57:32,560
Speaker 4: that that San Francisco forty nine Ers quarterback tried to

3026
02:57:32,600 --> 02:57:36,240
Speaker 4: bring attention to police terror in our communities by protesting

3027
02:57:36,320 --> 02:57:41,440
Speaker 4: and games. He's in tip top shape, He's taking his

3028
02:57:41,680 --> 02:57:47,000
Speaker 4: team all the way to championships and the precipice of championships,

3029
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:51,120
Speaker 4: and yet he has been banked, he has been barred,

3030
02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:55,400
Speaker 4: he has not been able to ply his trade. And

3031
02:57:55,560 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 4: I think, as used to be said, you only need

3032
02:57:57,879 --> 02:58:01,920
Speaker 4: to beat one slave to keep the entire plantation in line.

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02:58:02,400 --> 02:58:03,960
Speaker 4: And I think many of the players they look at

3034
02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:07,560
Speaker 4: what happened to Colin Kaepernick and they say not going there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we mentioned that to John Collis, Doctor

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02:58:11,360 --> 02:58:13,520
Speaker 1: John Collis, and he said that the problem is that

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick took the money and we haven't heard from him,

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02:58:16,600 --> 02:58:20,680
Speaker 1: so he's not He doesn't elevate Kaepernick as far as

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02:58:21,080 --> 02:58:24,320
Speaker 1: we think he should. Your thoughts, well, I'm not so

3040
02:58:24,440 --> 02:58:25,000
Speaker 1: sure about that.

3041
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:27,520
Speaker 4: You know, when you say you haven't heard from him.

3042
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:30,240
Speaker 4: A lot of this has to do with whether depressed

3043
02:58:30,680 --> 02:58:34,680
Speaker 4: will broadcast his message. For example, I know that he's

3044
02:58:34,720 --> 02:58:38,520
Speaker 4: been involved in documentary projects, He's been involved in philanthropy,

3045
02:58:38,760 --> 02:58:41,360
Speaker 4: believe it or not. And what do you mean by

3046
02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:44,920
Speaker 4: taking the money? He hasn't played for a national football league.

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Speaker 6: In ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was John Cossey's thought. But let's switch over

3049
02:58:49,760 --> 02:58:54,720
Speaker 1: to basketball. First, college basketball, you know March Madness coming

3050
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:58,879
Speaker 1: up early. But any team out there, any school out

3051
02:58:58,879 --> 02:59:00,520
Speaker 1: there you thinks I'm a shine.

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02:59:01,640 --> 02:59:04,720
Speaker 4: Watch out for the Detroit Tiston. You know they're doing

3053
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:09,800
Speaker 4: quite well in the East and they have some strong players,

3054
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:16,400
Speaker 4: including Kate Cunningham, a presumptive MVP candidate. Do not rule

3055
02:59:16,440 --> 02:59:20,879
Speaker 4: out the Boston Celtics with Jason Tatum coming back from

3056
02:59:21,240 --> 02:59:24,960
Speaker 4: repair of his achilles tendon. How are you going to

3057
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:29,080
Speaker 4: rule out the Oklahoma City Thunder with their sterling record,

3058
02:59:29,920 --> 02:59:34,000
Speaker 4: And of course, as long as Steph Curry is healthy,

3059
02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:37,240
Speaker 4: you cannot rule out the Golden State Warriors, even with

3060
02:59:37,360 --> 02:59:38,879
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler on the sidelines.

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Speaker 1: Oh ten away from the top there, Tweeter just wanted

3062
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Speaker 1: to know your thoughts on Michael Jordan and NASCAR that

3063
02:59:45,360 --> 02:59:46,800
Speaker 1: there's attacking Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Well, he sued NASCAR, and of course, being from North Carolina,

3065
02:59:53,160 --> 02:59:57,840
Speaker 4: where NASCAR is rather popular in certain circles, he had

3066
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:02,120
Speaker 4: a long time affection or auto racing. His father was

3067
03:00:02,160 --> 03:00:06,520
Speaker 4: a fan of auto racing. He was able to prevail

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Speaker 4: on that suit. I think it was stubbled in terms

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Speaker 4: that were favorable to Michael Jordan. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: what the tweeter is referring to.

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Speaker 1: A note away from the top of Leoni's just Checkman

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Speaker 1: for Michigan has a question for you. She's online one

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Speaker 1: grand rising sister, Leona.

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Speaker 28: I'm with doctor Gerald Horn, grand rising brother Carl grand Rising. Doctor.

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Speaker 28: Forgive me, I'm not My brain's still warming, but doctor Horn, listen,

3076
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Speaker 28: here's here.

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Speaker 11: Let me be let me be brief here.

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Speaker 28: Now, I know you know Paul Robinson was a heck

3079
03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:41,480
Speaker 28: of an athlete too, And my question to you is

3080
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Speaker 28: about Paul Robson. Back in May May nineteen nineteen, he

3081
03:00:47,160 --> 03:00:53,119
Speaker 28: submitted his thesis to Rutgers University. This thesis was called

3082
03:00:53,160 --> 03:00:57,359
Speaker 28: the Fourteenth Amendment, the Sleeping Giant of the American Constitution.

3083
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Speaker 28: I know you wrote a wonderful by him about him,

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Speaker 28: and I bought it. But my question is do you

3085
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:09,960
Speaker 28: remember reading his thesis and how does his thesis apply

3086
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:13,960
Speaker 28: to relate to what's going on today in the US

3087
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:22,119
Speaker 28: Supreme Court about the fourteenth Amendment. What connection or impact

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Speaker 28: might there be? What was Paul Robson pointing out in

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Speaker 28: nineteen nineteen versus what may be happening in the US

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Speaker 28: Supreme Court here in twenty twenty six. Thank you for

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Speaker 28: writing the book, Thank you for.

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Speaker 27: All you do.

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Speaker 23: Well.

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Speaker 4: With regard to Robson and the fourteenth Amendment, what he

3095
03:01:38,879 --> 03:01:42,160
Speaker 4: was referring to is an issue, as he correctly suggests

3096
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Speaker 4: before the Supreme Court now, which regard to so called

3097
03:01:44,440 --> 03:01:47,760
Speaker 4: birthright citizenship. That is to say, under the fourteenth Amendment,

3098
03:01:47,800 --> 03:01:49,920
Speaker 4: if you're born in the United States, you're a US

3099
03:01:50,120 --> 03:01:54,680
Speaker 4: national able to get that Blue passport. The Trump regime

3100
03:01:54,840 --> 03:01:58,560
Speaker 4: is trying to change that. They claim that they're so

3101
03:01:58,680 --> 03:02:03,000
Speaker 4: called anchor babies, that the Chinese women come across the

3102
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:06,320
Speaker 4: Pacific in order to have a baby in Los Angeles,

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03:02:06,959 --> 03:02:10,280
Speaker 4: that the baby can have the US passport. Robeson was

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03:02:10,360 --> 03:02:13,040
Speaker 4: also referring to the language and the Fourteenth Amendment that

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Speaker 4: calls for a curtailing of congressional delegations from Dixie when

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Speaker 4: they engage in voter suppression. But the Supreme Court is

3107
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:28,880
Speaker 4: about to strangle, at least odds are that they're about

3108
03:02:28,879 --> 03:02:32,280
Speaker 4: to strangle the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five,

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Speaker 4: which was the crown jewel of the anti Jim Crow

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Speaker 4: movement and an exemplifying of the Fourteenth Amendment. That may

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03:02:40,120 --> 03:02:44,119
Speaker 4: happen with the next two or three months. So absolute

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Speaker 4: the young wilkesom for what he did in that Rutger's thesis,

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Speaker 4: but to a certain degree it's been overtaken by events.

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Speaker 1: And let me join me here, because you're raised. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: shist Leoni. Should we be concerned about that, doctor Horne,

3116
03:02:58,480 --> 03:02:59,840
Speaker 1: because they're saying that we're next.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Clil, I mean I've talked into my voice gets

3118
03:03:08,480 --> 03:03:13,600
Speaker 4: hoarse about the reality that we have so many enemies

3119
03:03:13,720 --> 03:03:18,400
Speaker 4: in the United States of America, including those former slave

3120
03:03:18,480 --> 03:03:24,160
Speaker 4: owning families who have their property, meaning us, taken without compensation,

3121
03:03:24,840 --> 03:03:29,679
Speaker 4: driving them, they say, into poverty. We talk about reparations

3122
03:03:30,360 --> 03:03:34,080
Speaker 4: as well, we should, but the enslaving class, they say,

3123
03:03:34,160 --> 03:03:37,240
Speaker 4: what about our reparations? For example? And if they can't

3124
03:03:37,280 --> 03:03:40,480
Speaker 4: get reparations, they'll just take vengeance, and I think that

3125
03:03:40,600 --> 03:03:47,040
Speaker 4: that helps to underscore this terrifying police brutality crusade that's

3126
03:03:47,080 --> 03:03:49,840
Speaker 4: been going on for years now. It helps to shed

3127
03:03:49,959 --> 03:03:54,480
Speaker 4: light on the infomortality rates that black women help to endure.

3128
03:03:55,160 --> 03:03:57,840
Speaker 4: So obviously we're in deep trouble.

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03:03:59,400 --> 03:03:59,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: What books are you working on for us at, Dr Horn?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, my book on Hawaii just dropped a

3132
03:04:07,040 --> 03:04:08,760
Speaker 4: few weeks ago. I have a book on the slave

3133
03:04:08,879 --> 03:04:13,720
Speaker 4: trade heading north to Morocco and east to Egypt and

3134
03:04:14,200 --> 03:04:18,680
Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia coming out in the fall. I'm writing, as

3135
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:23,360
Speaker 4: we speak, a book dealing with the Pacific Northwest, that

3136
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:26,680
Speaker 4: is to say, Oregon in Washington. You may know that

3137
03:04:26,879 --> 03:04:30,959
Speaker 4: Oregon banned the arrival of black people for years, which

3138
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:34,360
Speaker 4: is one of the reasons why Portland, a major city,

3139
03:04:34,440 --> 03:04:36,520
Speaker 4: has one of the smallest black population in the United

3140
03:04:36,560 --> 03:04:38,920
Speaker 4: States to this very day. And I could go on

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Speaker 4: in this vein, but that's what's up next.

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Speaker 1: Wow, talk about learning something, learn something every day, doctor Horne.

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Speaker 1: We thank you. How can folks follow you though, because

3144
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:49,720
Speaker 1: you've got a wealth of information that you can share

3145
03:04:49,720 --> 03:04:50,360
Speaker 1: with that family.

3146
03:04:51,280 --> 03:04:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, Facebook, of course, but I would say YouTube because

3147
03:04:55,080 --> 03:04:58,320
Speaker 4: I'm putting content on YouTube on a weekly, sometimes a

3148
03:04:58,400 --> 03:05:00,560
Speaker 4: daily basis. As a matter of fact, when you send

3149
03:05:00,680 --> 03:05:04,400
Speaker 4: me the link, this discussion will be on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: All right, great, Thank you, doctor Horn. Thank you what

3151
03:05:08,240 --> 03:05:10,120
Speaker 1: you do for us, and thank you for all the

3152
03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:11,760
Speaker 1: information you shared with us this morning.

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03:05:12,600 --> 03:05:13,520
Speaker 4: Thank you for inviting me.

3154
03:05:14,200 --> 03:05:16,280
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's doctor Gerald Horn, one of our

3155
03:05:16,320 --> 03:05:19,520
Speaker 1: top scholars. That's it for the day, though classes dismiss.

3156
03:05:19,680 --> 03:05:23,440
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please, family, stay healthy. We'll

3157
03:05:23,440 --> 03:05:25,920
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WOL.