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Speaker 1: It's a Hammer and Nigel show. My name is a

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Speaker 1: very down trodden Nigel. Today. Hammer's trying to lift me up.

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Speaker 1: Over there. We have a very special guest on the hotline,

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Speaker 2: Bad as you think it is, Nige. Tony Kennetts of

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Speaker 2: the Tony Kennett Cast and the Daily Signal help me

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Speaker 2: out here. Nige's downtrodden because in blue states and blue cities,

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Speaker 3: Put the toaster down, Nigel. No need to take a

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Speaker 3: bath just yet. And here's why win Some Earl Series.

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Speaker 3: I said this at the beginning. I took a lot

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Speaker 3: for that in a presidential election. We've seen it before.

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Speaker 3: But on off your elections, it's not about getting people

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Speaker 3: with you all about this before. Wins Some Earl Sears.

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Speaker 3: This is Virginia, Virginia right right, the current lieutenant governor

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Speaker 3: Jack Shidarelli in New Jersey. They just didn't have that

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Speaker 2: Because I see so many Democrats celebrating on social media

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Speaker 2: I just can't help but think. I said this earlier

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Speaker 3: Hammer you brush up against the most important point from

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Speaker 3: the year of the Karen So like old middle aged

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Speaker 3: and then the young Socialists that's the new that's the

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Speaker 3: And oh boy, please please Democrats if you're listening out there,

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Speaker 3: First of all, good on you for listening to Hammer

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Speaker 3: and Nigel. That's a lot better for you. But number two,

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Speaker 3: please run with this in twenty twenty six. Please give

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Speaker 3: me the Karens and the young Socialists. Best of luck

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Speaker 2: So the Socialists they're kind of having their Captain Phillips

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that they were practicing their Somalian accents.

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Speaker 3: Yes they are now. I said this at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: So you don't believe this is a harbinger of things

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Speaker 3: You've asked the right question. Yes, it is guys like Vivek.

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Speaker 3: There are real problems that are Americans, that Americans are facing,

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Speaker 1: Like last night, Tony expand on that just a little

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Speaker 1: foreign policy? Does he need less foreign policy more domestic stuff?

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Speaker 3: On foreign policy? Know, that's a cop out. People who

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Speaker 1: Karent to do that though with these tariffs. Are these

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Speaker 3: I think that right now you've seen it constrict some things,

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Speaker 2: Last night, I like to scroll through the different cable

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Speaker 3: What I have seen is that Americans hate Congress in

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of friends, and I forfit in

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Speaker 3: It gets really nervous when you just start doing simple

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Speaker 3: majority stuff. That's how republics fall. Honest to God, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Emergency power, city executive and then eliminating any guard on

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Speaker 3: mob rule. That's how republic's fall. That is, that is

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Speaker 3: the historical scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: That's how unfort that like extra states at extra Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court judges, is it not?

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Speaker 3: Yep? Because then you'll have nine justices this year, and

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Speaker 3: fifty six, and then I mean it will become a mess.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can laugh. But that's what happened with Weimar,

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Speaker 3: and that's what happened with Argentina. That's what happened with Peru.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened with Belize in Central America in twenty

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Speaker 3: six This does happen, and it is something that actually,

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Speaker 3: it does bite at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: They need to get this shut down fixed though, man, Like,

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Speaker 1: there's part of my heart that you know it says that. Look,

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Speaker 1: some of these families that need these SNAP benefits, that

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Speaker 1: and I know there's a ton of SNAP fraud out there.

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Speaker 1: But do you see the shutdown coming to an end

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Speaker 1: anytime soon?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think by the end of the weekend. I

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Speaker 3: think it all comes down to air traffic control. We're

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Speaker 3: getting ready to shut airspace down. There's a broader conversation

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Speaker 3: we need to have here about what the heck we're

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Speaker 3: gonna do about airspace. It's not nineteen eighty two. Either

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Speaker 3: we're going to fully federalize airspace and they all need

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Speaker 3: be run by the National Guard from here on out. Really,

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Speaker 3: because either it's essential or it's not. We can't hamstring

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Speaker 2: Got about a minute left here. I want to go

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Speaker 2: back to the SNAP benefits fraud. Nigel brought that up.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a talking point. You've been looking into this, right.

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Speaker 3: It's really really bad, especially in states like Minnesota. Over

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Speaker 3: the COVID years, they had one hundred and forty seven

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Speaker 3: percent increases in those relying on SNAP benefits in the state,

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Speaker 3: although the state population didn't grow. There are some serious

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Speaker 3: fraud situations, like one hundred billion dollars in fraud in

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Speaker 3: SNAP in the last decade. One hundred billion.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of tampons in the state of

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Speaker 2: Minnesota that Tim Walls can put in the men's restroom.

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Speaker 2: All right, what are you working on over at Daily Signal.

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Speaker 3: We've had a couple of big investigations getting ready to drop.

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Speaker 3: But most importantly, my stomach still hurts for making Gavin

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Speaker 3: Newsom's five layer PB and J from last night that

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Speaker 3: hurt me.

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Speaker 2: Check him out on Twitter at the Tonas That's how

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Speaker 2: you find him Tony Kenne, great stuff. We'll chat again

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Speaker 2: next week. Thanks guys, it's the Hammer and Nigel Show.