WEBVTT - Tony Katz on the Right Believing Caitlin Clark Turned Her Back on Sophie Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>Live from Vaal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Katz today. So there's a new trend, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>And the new trend is that Caitlin Clark is somehow

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<v Speaker 1>a trader, is somehow not backing up Sophie Cunningham because

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to talk about girl sports, or trans

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<v Speaker 1>athletes or anything else. She doesn't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>any of it. She wants to talk about basketball. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen now conservative commentator Matt Walsh. I've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>conservative commentator when it suits her. Megan Kelly, send your

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<v Speaker 1>hitmail to kiss off at yahoo dot net and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be sure to get it. Talking smack about Caitlyn Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Caitlyn Clark was asked, right, she was asked about

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. She's there with Kelsey Mitchell and coach Stephanie White.

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<v Speaker 1>She's asked, does she have any response to what's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>This controversy around Sophie Cunningham. Now we should be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no controversy around Sophie Cunningham. Everyone's just a freak.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Cunningham said, the most normal thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do agree that normal things should be said

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<v Speaker 1>out loud without any concern. She said, and I'm paraphrasing here.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls sports are for girls. That's that's normal. Girls sports

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<v Speaker 1>are for girls. Every rational person knows this. Not for boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Women's sports is not for men. Men's sports are for men.

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<v Speaker 1>Women's sports are for women. And if there is no difference,

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<v Speaker 1>if there is no concern about a man playing in

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<v Speaker 1>a women's league, then there's no need for the women's league.

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<v Speaker 1>Kiss off title nine. There's no need for you. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to have a women's sports team. All the colleges.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just get rid of them all. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>football pace or everything, and nobody wants to see girls

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<v Speaker 1>lacrosse or is it field hockey. I can't keep up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get emails again, same email address. You're not necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>We were told it was necessary to give women these

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities because they should be able to play in sports

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<v Speaker 1>just like men. And yeah, okay, great argument. Wholl hardly agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the left is saying that the women shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the right to play just against women because it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the ever popular you know, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, It's not really happening. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>culture war. Maybe we're gonna start there, Maybe we'll start

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<v Speaker 1>at the idea of the culture war. This was James Tallerco,

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<v Speaker 1>who I did not know they referred to as James Tellafrico,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat running for Senate in Texas, and he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this as Oh, look at these culture wars that

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<v Speaker 1>the political right are all involved in. This was him

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<v Speaker 1>just yesterday on MS NOW or EM snow or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is they call that network.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, and I think people are really tired of these

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<v Speaker 2>cultural war fights that are designed to tear us apart,

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<v Speaker 2>designed to get us angry. I mean, are there are

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<v Speaker 2>difficult issues trying to figure out trans athletes in sports?

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<v Speaker 2>That's an issue where we could actually come to a

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<v Speaker 2>policy solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, well I guess we could come to a policy solution.

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<v Speaker 1>The policy is men don't play in women's sports. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the policy. Men who claim to be women are not women,

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<v Speaker 1>never have been, never will be. I can't believe we're

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<v Speaker 1>still talking about this. I apologize, but they keep doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>James Tallerico calls it a culture war, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's the only thing he's gotten correct. You

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<v Speaker 1>bet your assets. A culture war, We're gonna win and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna lose. Suck on that. That's it. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>culture war. We believe in a culture, us being the

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<v Speaker 1>normal people, that there's a difference between women and men,

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<v Speaker 1>and that difference is important and valuable. You live in

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<v Speaker 1>a culture, not you, They them. They live in a

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<v Speaker 1>culture that things that men give be women. If they

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<v Speaker 1>put on a dress, somebody tell Milton Burrell, would you please? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>And then somebody tell the people who ask who in

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<v Speaker 1>the world is Milton Burrel to look up who Milton

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<v Speaker 1>Burrell is and help them through this. Just because you

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<v Speaker 1>put on a dress doesn't make you a woman. Just

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<v Speaker 1>because you wear a wig doesn't make you a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not the way it works. It's never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be the way it works. This is a culture war.

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<v Speaker 1>We win, they lose. That's that. Not everybody has to participate,

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<v Speaker 1>not to everybody has to be screaming and yelling from

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<v Speaker 1>the chandeliers. We look at pro athletes and some people

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<v Speaker 1>tell pro athletes to shut up and dribble. I have

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<v Speaker 1>never ever ever been that guy. You can say anything

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<v Speaker 1>you want. You have to accept the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>could get blowback. What stuns me is these apps a

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<v Speaker 1>leet who say things and then there's blowback like how

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<v Speaker 1>dare you tell me? Don't you know how important I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Just an athlete, that's all, just an athlete. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well paid for a game. Congratulations doesn't make you an

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<v Speaker 1>expert on anything. Now we're at the stage where we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting upset with people for not saying anything. And this

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to Kaitlyn Clark. Kaitlyn Clark is there at

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<v Speaker 1>the table. It's a press conference after a game. The

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<v Speaker 1>Fever had just lost. They had won five in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>They lose, and it goes like this outside.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for us, like you know, it's not really

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<v Speaker 3>discussion we really have in our locker room. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's for leagues and the governing bodies to work with

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<v Speaker 3>their athletes to find solutions. But our focus is on

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<v Speaker 3>basketball and that's what we talk about and how we

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<v Speaker 3>can get wins. And obviously we didn't do that tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>So in a fine an area to improve in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any reaction to the plan, She wants

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<v Speaker 1>to know part of this conversation she's talking basketball. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn Clark could say girl sports are for girls. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>she could say girls sports are for girls. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>easy thing to say, it's a normal thing to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Has this become part of a culture war? Absolutely? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it one that we are going to win and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to lose? Absolutely? Caitlyn Clark doesn't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and every day voice some opinion. It's not necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody needs that from her. Nobody's asking that from her.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's asking it from the WNBA. Nobody's asking anybody in

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<v Speaker 1>any league to go out there and be as political

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<v Speaker 1>as humanly possible. We're asking to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>play to the best of your ability. We're asking to

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<v Speaker 1>put on a show. That is what I am certainly

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<v Speaker 1>asking go put on a show. And my arguments about

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA have been constantly and consistently, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>want to put on a show. Why do you hate

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<v Speaker 1>this woman so much? Why do you hate popular players?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you hate better play? For what? What is

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with you? And you learn that the WNBA is

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<v Speaker 1>interested in something that has nothing to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>product on the court. They're interested in something that has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with what they claim to be, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a basketball association. She doesn't have to sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and read off some tone about why she believes this

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<v Speaker 1>and believes that, and stand up for this and stand

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<v Speaker 1>up for that playing the game. But I have Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Walsh calling her a coward. I have Megan Kelly calling

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<v Speaker 1>her a coward. What the hell is this? First? Why

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<v Speaker 1>is she a coward? Because she didn't give the answer

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted given? It doesn't make somebody a coward when

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<v Speaker 1>they jump into the fray and then aren't willing to

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<v Speaker 1>back up their position. Well, that could be something. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not jumping in the fray. What is so cowardly about

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<v Speaker 1>not wanting to be a part of this? Matt Walsh

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that Caitlin Clark might be the biggest coward in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of sports. She refuses to say anything about

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<v Speaker 1>the anti white racism she has been subject to you

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<v Speaker 1>since coming into the league. She punts on the trans question,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the easiest question you could ever be asked,

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<v Speaker 1>No spine, what if, Matt? Because listen, you've done some

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<v Speaker 1>good work, but doesn't make you right on everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that might be a hard one for you,

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<v Speaker 1>because I believe that you believe that you're right on everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that you absolutely believe that that you are

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<v Speaker 1>touched with secret knowledge. I think you believe that certainly.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue it's the way you come across, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know you, so I could be wrong. There. See,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how normal people talk. What do you want her

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<v Speaker 1>to say about the bigotry of the WNBA, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>all saying it. What do you want her to do?

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<v Speaker 1>What would satisfy you in this regard? Isn't it better

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<v Speaker 1>that she shows up every day, no matter how much

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<v Speaker 1>he's been beaten up, ready to play, at least of

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<v Speaker 1>course when they am an injurer or so greatly that

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<v Speaker 1>she keeps coming back and keeps coming back, and keeps

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<v Speaker 1>coming back and hits the threes and moves the teams

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<v Speaker 1>and invigorates. Isn't that a way to win? May not

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<v Speaker 1>be your way? Matt could be away, She punts on

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<v Speaker 1>the trans question. You mean there's only one. It can

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<v Speaker 1>only be answered once. She's only allowed to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up once. If she does this at whatever months from now,

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<v Speaker 1>when she feels the timing is better, that's gonna be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not your timeline. It's not cowardly. What it is

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<v Speaker 1>is you saying, hey, I wonder if I write this

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<v Speaker 1>how many clicks I can get. That's what it comes

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<v Speaker 1>across as and we shouldn't do that. On the political right,

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be doing that. I think if we look

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<v Speaker 1>at people who put themselves out there in the sphere,

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<v Speaker 1>we can engage those things. But isn't the story here

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<v Speaker 1>not Clark, but rather how the coaches responded to Sophie Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the coach of the Minnesota Lynx, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>the coach of the Golden State Valkyries. They are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones saying that the WNBA should not be about the who. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA is not about the w We already have

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<v Speaker 1>an NBA. The WNBA doesn't need to exist. Get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of this welfare league once and for all, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>build a new league where you can have Caitlin Clark

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<v Speaker 1>and Sophie Cunningham and a bunch of other people white

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<v Speaker 1>and black and Asian and Hispanic, and they could actually

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<v Speaker 1>play good ball with none of this nonsense that is

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<v Speaker 1>being thrust on them by the league. A league where

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<v Speaker 1>we would agree, probably Matt that wants to be gay

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<v Speaker 1>and black gay or black, Well, I know maybe for

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<v Speaker 1>some gay and black, but gay or black, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly what they want. They've made that obvious. She's not

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<v Speaker 1>a coward. Don't pin your hopes and dreams on an athlete.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you do such a thing. She doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to speak out on every issue you decide is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Cunningham being utilized as this political cudgel is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't say something political, she said something normal. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a difference, and what we're supposed to say is that's normal,

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<v Speaker 1>that's rational. You people are just weird. That's the way

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<v Speaker 1>it is supposed to be handled. And Megan Kelly talking

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<v Speaker 1>about cowardice. Are you no longer riding with Tucker? I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that he had dinner with Marjorie Taylor Green and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Kent and Thomas Massey. Were you not invited? Hey? Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we don't get invited to things, right, I've been there,

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<v Speaker 1>You've been there. Sometimes I don't get invited. I sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>believe that not being invited makes me better off. I

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<v Speaker 1>have dodge to the proverbial bullet in that case, because

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<v Speaker 1>people are letting me know. I'm like great, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I don't want to belong to a club

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<v Speaker 1>that would have someone like me as a member. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to belong to a club that doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have someone like me as a member. Sophy Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>is not a political cudgel. She made a normal statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. It's such an unremarkable statement that we're

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<v Speaker 1>still remarking on it is stunning. But we're not remarking

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<v Speaker 1>on her. We're remarking on all the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>desperate for these things to be political, on the left

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<v Speaker 1>and on the right. I'm a conservative. I don't pull

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<v Speaker 1>any punches. I say it clearly. I wear it out

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<v Speaker 1>there for the world to see without any fear whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Walsh, Meghan Kelly and all these people who want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this Pilon are wrong. They're just wrong. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong to want to protect girls. They're not wrong

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<v Speaker 1>to note the bigotry, wrong to say it's up to

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Clark to write to the world of its ills. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's up to Caitlin Clark. It's a job

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<v Speaker 1>of Caitlyn Clark to win and send the Indiana Fever

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<v Speaker 1>to a championship. And that's her only job. If she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to speak great, I'll be listening. This is Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Katz today