Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's
Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. So there's a new trend, I guess.
Speaker 1: And the new trend is that Caitlin Clark is somehow
Speaker 1: a trader, is somehow not backing up Sophie Cunningham because
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to talk about girl sports, or trans
Speaker 1: athletes or anything else. She doesn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: any of it. She wants to talk about basketball. And
Speaker 1: I've seen now conservative commentator Matt Walsh. I've seen a
Speaker 1: conservative commentator when it suits her. Megan Kelly, send your
Speaker 1: hitmail to kiss off at yahoo dot net and I'll
Speaker 1: be sure to get it. Talking smack about Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 1: Because Caitlyn Clark was asked, right, she was asked about
Speaker 1: this stuff. She's there with Kelsey Mitchell and coach Stephanie White.
Speaker 1: She's asked, does she have any response to what's happening?
Speaker 1: This controversy around Sophie Cunningham. Now we should be clear,
Speaker 1: there is no controversy around Sophie Cunningham. Everyone's just a freak.
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham said, the most normal thing in the world.
Speaker 1: And I do agree that normal things should be said
Speaker 1: out loud without any concern. She said, and I'm paraphrasing here.
Speaker 1: Girls sports are for girls. That's that's normal. Girls sports
Speaker 1: are for girls. Every rational person knows this. Not for boys.
Speaker 1: Women's sports is not for men. Men's sports are for men.
Speaker 1: Women's sports are for women. And if there is no difference,
Speaker 1: if there is no concern about a man playing in
Speaker 1: a women's league, then there's no need for the women's league.
Speaker 1: Kiss off title nine. There's no need for you. We
Speaker 1: don't need to have a women's sports team. All the colleges.
Speaker 1: You can just get rid of them all. After all,
Speaker 1: football pace or everything, and nobody wants to see girls
Speaker 1: lacrosse or is it field hockey. I can't keep up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get emails again, same email address. You're not necessary.
Speaker 1: We were told it was necessary to give women these
Speaker 1: opportunities because they should be able to play in sports
Speaker 1: just like men. And yeah, okay, great argument. Wholl hardly agree.
Speaker 1: Now the left is saying that the women shouldn't have
Speaker 1: the right to play just against women because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And then there's the ever popular you know, this isn't
Speaker 1: a big deal, It's not really happening. It's just a
Speaker 1: culture war. Maybe we're gonna start there, Maybe we'll start
Speaker 1: at the idea of the culture war. This was James Tallerco,
Speaker 1: who I did not know they referred to as James Tellafrico,
Speaker 1: the Democrat running for Senate in Texas, and he's talking
Speaker 1: about this as Oh, look at these culture wars that
Speaker 1: the political right are all involved in. This was him
Speaker 1: just yesterday on MS NOW or EM snow or whatever
Speaker 1: it is they call that network.
Speaker 2: Listen, and I think people are really tired of these
Speaker 2: cultural war fights that are designed to tear us apart,
Speaker 2: designed to get us angry. I mean, are there are
Speaker 2: difficult issues trying to figure out trans athletes in sports?
Speaker 2: That's an issue where we could actually come to a
Speaker 2: policy solution.
Speaker 1: Nope, well I guess we could come to a policy solution.
Speaker 1: The policy is men don't play in women's sports. That's
Speaker 1: the policy. Men who claim to be women are not women,
Speaker 1: never have been, never will be. I can't believe we're
Speaker 1: still talking about this. I apologize, but they keep doing it.
Speaker 1: James Tallerico calls it a culture war, and I want
Speaker 1: to say it's the only thing he's gotten correct. You
Speaker 1: bet your assets. A culture war, We're gonna win and
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. Suck on that. That's it. It's a
Speaker 1: culture war. We believe in a culture, us being the
Speaker 1: normal people, that there's a difference between women and men,
Speaker 1: and that difference is important and valuable. You live in
Speaker 1: a culture, not you, They them. They live in a
Speaker 1: culture that things that men give be women. If they
Speaker 1: put on a dress, somebody tell Milton Burrell, would you please? Oh?
Speaker 1: And then somebody tell the people who ask who in
Speaker 1: the world is Milton Burrel to look up who Milton
Speaker 1: Burrell is and help them through this. Just because you
Speaker 1: put on a dress doesn't make you a woman. Just
Speaker 1: because you wear a wig doesn't make you a woman.
Speaker 1: It's just not the way it works. It's never gonna
Speaker 1: be the way it works. This is a culture war.
Speaker 1: We win, they lose. That's that. Not everybody has to participate,
Speaker 1: not to everybody has to be screaming and yelling from
Speaker 1: the chandeliers. We look at pro athletes and some people
Speaker 1: tell pro athletes to shut up and dribble. I have
Speaker 1: never ever ever been that guy. You can say anything
Speaker 1: you want. You have to accept the fact that it
Speaker 1: could get blowback. What stuns me is these apps a
Speaker 1: leet who say things and then there's blowback like how
Speaker 1: dare you tell me? Don't you know how important I am?
Speaker 1: Just an athlete, that's all, just an athlete. That's it.
Speaker 1: Well paid for a game. Congratulations doesn't make you an
Speaker 1: expert on anything. Now we're at the stage where we're
Speaker 1: getting upset with people for not saying anything. And this
Speaker 1: brings us to Kaitlyn Clark. Kaitlyn Clark is there at
Speaker 1: the table. It's a press conference after a game. The
Speaker 1: Fever had just lost. They had won five in a row.
Speaker 1: They lose, and it goes like this outside.
Speaker 3: I think for us, like you know, it's not really
Speaker 3: discussion we really have in our locker room. I think
Speaker 3: it's for leagues and the governing bodies to work with
Speaker 3: their athletes to find solutions. But our focus is on
Speaker 3: basketball and that's what we talk about and how we
Speaker 3: can get wins. And obviously we didn't do that tonight.
Speaker 3: So in a fine an area to improve in that way.
Speaker 1: Do you have any reaction to the plan, She wants
Speaker 1: to know part of this conversation she's talking basketball. Yes,
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark could say girl sports are for girls. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: she could say girls sports are for girls. It's an
Speaker 1: easy thing to say, it's a normal thing to say.
Speaker 1: Has this become part of a culture war? Absolutely? Is
Speaker 1: it one that we are going to win and they
Speaker 1: have to lose? Absolutely? Caitlyn Clark doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: out there and every day voice some opinion. It's not necessary.
Speaker 1: Nobody needs that from her. Nobody's asking that from her.
Speaker 1: Nobody's asking it from the WNBA. Nobody's asking anybody in
Speaker 1: any league to go out there and be as political
Speaker 1: as humanly possible. We're asking to go out there and
Speaker 1: play to the best of your ability. We're asking to
Speaker 1: put on a show. That is what I am certainly
Speaker 1: asking go put on a show. And my arguments about
Speaker 1: the WNBA have been constantly and consistently, why don't you
Speaker 1: want to put on a show. Why do you hate
Speaker 1: this woman so much? Why do you hate popular players?
Speaker 1: Why do you hate better play? For what? What is
Speaker 1: wrong with you? And you learn that the WNBA is
Speaker 1: interested in something that has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: product on the court. They're interested in something that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what they claim to be, which
Speaker 1: is a basketball association. She doesn't have to sit there
Speaker 1: and read off some tone about why she believes this
Speaker 1: and believes that, and stand up for this and stand
Speaker 1: up for that playing the game. But I have Matt
Speaker 1: Walsh calling her a coward. I have Megan Kelly calling
Speaker 1: her a coward. What the hell is this? First? Why
Speaker 1: is she a coward? Because she didn't give the answer
Speaker 1: you wanted given? It doesn't make somebody a coward when
Speaker 1: they jump into the fray and then aren't willing to
Speaker 1: back up their position. Well, that could be something. She's
Speaker 1: not jumping in the fray. What is so cowardly about
Speaker 1: not wanting to be a part of this? Matt Walsh
Speaker 1: wrote that Caitlin Clark might be the biggest coward in
Speaker 1: the history of sports. She refuses to say anything about
Speaker 1: the anti white racism she has been subject to you
Speaker 1: since coming into the league. She punts on the trans question,
Speaker 1: which is the easiest question you could ever be asked,
Speaker 1: No spine, what if, Matt? Because listen, you've done some
Speaker 1: good work, but doesn't make you right on everything. And
Speaker 1: I know that might be a hard one for you,
Speaker 1: because I believe that you believe that you're right on everything.
Speaker 1: I believe that you absolutely believe that that you are
Speaker 1: touched with secret knowledge. I think you believe that certainly.
Speaker 1: I would argue it's the way you come across, but
Speaker 1: I don't know you, so I could be wrong. There. See,
Speaker 1: that's how normal people talk. What do you want her
Speaker 1: to say about the bigotry of the WNBA, because we're
Speaker 1: all saying it. What do you want her to do?
Speaker 1: What would satisfy you in this regard? Isn't it better
Speaker 1: that she shows up every day, no matter how much
Speaker 1: he's been beaten up, ready to play, at least of
Speaker 1: course when they am an injurer or so greatly that
Speaker 1: she keeps coming back and keeps coming back, and keeps
Speaker 1: coming back and hits the threes and moves the teams
Speaker 1: and invigorates. Isn't that a way to win? May not
Speaker 1: be your way? Matt could be away, She punts on
Speaker 1: the trans question. You mean there's only one. It can
Speaker 1: only be answered once. She's only allowed to bring it
Speaker 1: up once. If she does this at whatever months from now,
Speaker 1: when she feels the timing is better, that's gonna be wrong.
Speaker 1: It's not your timeline. It's not cowardly. What it is
Speaker 1: is you saying, hey, I wonder if I write this
Speaker 1: how many clicks I can get. That's what it comes
Speaker 1: across as and we shouldn't do that. On the political right,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be doing that. I think if we look
Speaker 1: at people who put themselves out there in the sphere,
Speaker 1: we can engage those things. But isn't the story here
Speaker 1: not Clark, but rather how the coaches responded to Sophie Cunningham.
Speaker 1: I've got the coach of the Minnesota Lynx, I've got
Speaker 1: the coach of the Golden State Valkyries. They are the
Speaker 1: ones saying that the WNBA should not be about the who. Well,
Speaker 1: the WNBA is not about the w We already have
Speaker 1: an NBA. The WNBA doesn't need to exist. Get rid
Speaker 1: of this welfare league once and for all, and let's
Speaker 1: build a new league where you can have Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: and Sophie Cunningham and a bunch of other people white
Speaker 1: and black and Asian and Hispanic, and they could actually
Speaker 1: play good ball with none of this nonsense that is
Speaker 1: being thrust on them by the league. A league where
Speaker 1: we would agree, probably Matt that wants to be gay
Speaker 1: and black gay or black, Well, I know maybe for
Speaker 1: some gay and black, but gay or black, because that's
Speaker 1: clearly what they want. They've made that obvious. She's not
Speaker 1: a coward. Don't pin your hopes and dreams on an athlete.
Speaker 1: Why would you do such a thing. She doesn't have
Speaker 1: to speak out on every issue you decide is important.
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham being utilized as this political cudgel is nonsense.
Speaker 1: She didn't say something political, she said something normal. There's
Speaker 1: a difference, and what we're supposed to say is that's normal,
Speaker 1: that's rational. You people are just weird. That's the way
Speaker 1: it is supposed to be handled. And Megan Kelly talking
Speaker 1: about cowardice. Are you no longer riding with Tucker? I
Speaker 1: noticed that he had dinner with Marjorie Taylor Green and
Speaker 1: Joe Kent and Thomas Massey. Were you not invited? Hey? Listen,
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't get invited to things, right, I've been there,
Speaker 1: You've been there. Sometimes I don't get invited. I sometimes
Speaker 1: believe that not being invited makes me better off. I
Speaker 1: have dodge to the proverbial bullet in that case, because
Speaker 1: people are letting me know. I'm like great, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like I don't want to belong to a club
Speaker 1: that would have someone like me as a member. I
Speaker 1: don't want to belong to a club that doesn't want
Speaker 1: to have someone like me as a member. Sophy Cunningham
Speaker 1: is not a political cudgel. She made a normal statement,
Speaker 1: and that's it. It's such an unremarkable statement that we're
Speaker 1: still remarking on it is stunning. But we're not remarking
Speaker 1: on her. We're remarking on all the people who are
Speaker 1: desperate for these things to be political, on the left
Speaker 1: and on the right. I'm a conservative. I don't pull
Speaker 1: any punches. I say it clearly. I wear it out
Speaker 1: there for the world to see without any fear whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh, Meghan Kelly and all these people who want
Speaker 1: to do this Pilon are wrong. They're just wrong. They're
Speaker 1: not wrong to want to protect girls. They're not wrong
Speaker 1: to note the bigotry, wrong to say it's up to
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark to write to the world of its ills. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's up to Caitlin Clark. It's a job
Speaker 1: of Caitlyn Clark to win and send the Indiana Fever
Speaker 1: to a championship. And that's her only job. If she
Speaker 1: wants to speak great, I'll be listening. This is Tony
Speaker 1: Katz today