1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Lie from Vaal Hartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today, President Trump welcoming the President of 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: Poland to the White House. And you say, to me, Tony, 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: that's news. If we are smart, we need to be 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: taking a look at Europe and asking ourselves exactly what 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: relationships do we have and what relationships should we have? 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: And maybe, just maybe there is a value, if not 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: in the complete reordering of these relationships, but in the 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: recognition that more relationships might be very, very beneficial. 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: Poland is more pro America than the UK. Why don't 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: we notice that? Why don't we engage with that? Should 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: all our engagement has to be the UK in France? No, no, 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 2: it doesn't. And that's my point. And I'll dig more 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: into that in the in the days and weeks ahead. 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: I have a lot to get to. Ed Morrissey joins 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: us this hour. There's a lot going on economically. There's 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: the whole fight in Venezuela. As the pressure is on 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: Nicholas Maduro, the the president there, the as the White 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: House basically has dubbed him the. 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: Drug runner in chief. 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if they've actually said those words yet, 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: but they should and if they do, give me full credit. 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: But of course, the conversation of crime is front and center. Well, 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: there's a story over at Fox News Nobody's in Control. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: It reads the headline as chaotic street takeovers terrorized cities 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: across the US, and I thought this was just happening 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: in my city. You've got mobs that show up and 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: are just walking through the streets and walking through cars 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: and traffic. It paralyzing traffic because nobody wants to hit 31 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 2: the person because then they're gonna get sued. 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 3: I only hope that that changes. 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: If you're walking in the middle of the street and 34 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: terrorizing people, you should expect bad things to happen. And 35 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: then there's the idea of the people who are doing 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: the peel outs, right, they're taking over intersections. 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: And they're doing the donuts. 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: This has been happening in a lot of places, and 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: I think the question that people are asking is how 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: do you stop this? How in the world do you 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: stop this from happening? Well, I think it's two things 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: on that. 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: One. 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: First, I don't know if you could necessarily stop a 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: group of people from doing this when you know in 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: terms of can you be proactive to that, but can 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: you stop them when they're doing it? Absolutely? Are you 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: telling me we have the capacity to shoot a netting 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: to someone who's let's say, in a police pursuit, we 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: could shoot a netting onto their tire and stop their 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: car from driving. We can't do anything to these people. No, 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: this is about willpower. And yes, you could argue it 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: could get violent, it could get dangerous. Sure, absolutely, But 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: if you were to take four or five heavy duty 55 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: vehicles and just park them as these people are doing 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: donuts right there in the middle of the street, you'll 57 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: at least start to stop them. I'm not saying I 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: have the perfect answer. I am saying that everything seems 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: to be a subject of will What are you willing 60 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: to do? You have a story about Boston where you 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: have one hundred bicyclists today are on e bikes and 62 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: dirt bikes taking over the highway and driving through traffic, 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: terrifying drivers. 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: Drivers think they're going to hit them and getting in 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: the way. Well, I think there's a. 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Way to take care of those bicyclists too, And yes, 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: some of them are gonna go butts over heads, over 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: their handlebars. 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: Okay, well, how else is it gonna stop? 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: Because we're not trying to stop people from enjoying their 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: car or not going on a bike ride. We're trying 72 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: to stop them from thinking that they're so important that 73 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: they can terrorize the rest of us, or they can 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: inconvenience the rest of us. The answer is no, let's 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: inconvenience them aggressively. At least try to get them to 76 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: stop that way. This is Tony Katz Today. Find everything 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: at Tony kats dot com. So the Democratic Party has 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: decided that everything going wrong with crime is all the 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: fault of Republicans because they have a gun loss. They're 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: okay with people owning guns. And if you just got 81 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: rid of Indiana, if that's the way Chicago has always 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: said it, Illinois has always said it. You heard Minnesota 83 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: say if you got rid of these red states, well 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: you'd be you'd be safe as can be. 85 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Good to be with you. 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: I despise these people with absolutely everything in me. Ed 87 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: Marscy joins me right now from hotair dot com. He 88 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: is the Coppo Ditty Coppo over there. The managing editor 89 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: of hot air dot com. This is Dick Durbin, a man. 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: He's a Senator of Illinois, a man most aptly aimed 91 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey. I just just just be clear as I've 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: got some lawn equipment going in the background right there. 93 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: I know I was gonna blame it on me, Ed, 94 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: but it's you. It's you, and you're gated elitism. 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: How about my lawn's going to look fabulous at the 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: end of this interview, Tony, let me, let me. 97 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: Let me share, Let me share this with you. 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: This is Dick Durbin blaming the issues of Chicago and 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: the violence of Chicago on Indiana. 100 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: Listen, this is CNN. 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 4: Now thumb crime has been violent crime. The levels have 102 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: been going down in Chicago, as they have in many 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: cities across the United States, according to FBI Crime Statistics. 104 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: There's a quote that's often. 105 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: Attributed to former Chicago Mayor Ram Emmanuel who says it's 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: great when the numbers go down, but people don't walk around, 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: saying I feel twenty two percent safer. What do you 108 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: think people feel like is happening in Chicago? 109 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: Well, I tell you one thing. They they feel like 110 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: they're too damn Many guns in Chicago and they're coming 111 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: in from other states like Indiana. Federal government want to 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: help us stop this flow of weapons into our city 113 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: of Chicago and state of Illinois. 114 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: Now I live in Indiana, and I have very very 115 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: strong words for Senator Durban, for Mayor Johnson, for Governor Pritzker, 116 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: and I am convinced that Senator Banks of Indiana, Senator 117 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: Young of Indiana, the Governor Mike Brown, the former Senator, 118 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: need to be very vocal and very loud in their faces. 119 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: Just who the hell do you think you're talking to 120 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: on this subject. But this is just part and parcel 121 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party on the subject of violence and 122 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: crime and the problem saying no, no, no, you're the problem. 123 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: Everything else is the problem except the way they do things. 124 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: They do it right. Everything else is the issue. 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: They cannot believe, Ed Morrissey that this messaging is working 126 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: or connecting with Americans. 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it is. I think that they 128 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: think it is, but I don't think it is. I 129 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: think that they are living in a very well curated 130 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: bubble where this message is what all right, all right 131 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: thinking people think, right, It's not us, it's the one 132 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: armed men, right, it's somebody else's fault. It's always somebody 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: else's fault because progressivism is perfect, and so any imperfections 134 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: are really the fault of people who are trying to 135 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: undermine it. The truth is, and people in Chicago have 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: to be realizing this. The truth is is that when 137 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: you don't enforce the law, this is what happens. Now. Washington, 138 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: DC is a great example of what you can do 139 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: with more resources. And even the mayor of Washington, d C, 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: who's not exactly a you know, a rib Rock conservative mayor, 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: Muriel Bowser, is not happy about the fact that the 142 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: National Guard was sent in there, but is happy with 143 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: the resources and is recognizing that all these resources are 144 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: drastically lowering crime in the city. And nobody had to 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: seize the guns in Maryland and Virginia for that to happen. 146 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: All you needed was resources applied and law enforced at 147 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: its most basic level. And this is broken windows policing. 148 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: We've seen it work before. Rudy Giuliani did it in 149 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: New York City in the late nineteen eighties early nineteen nineties, 150 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: and it had a dramatically beneficial effect. That's what we're 151 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: seeing Washington, DC. Over the last three or four weeks, 152 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: is that you've got a flood of resources on the 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: streets that are keeping people from committing crimes and escalating 154 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: into more serious crimes. I mean, this is absurd, and 155 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: the problem is that this normally works, except now that 156 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: Trump has this example in Washington, DC to show, to 157 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: show you know that they're lying that basically this is 158 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: nonsense and they have to somehow match those results without 159 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: using Trump's policies to do it, and they're never going 160 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: to be able to do it, and they're painted into 161 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: into a corner as a result. 162 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: And now I get into JB. Pritzker, the governor who 163 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: talking about you as you're talking about Mario Bowser, the 164 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: mayor of DC. Like the resources, don't like the strategy. 165 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: It's almost as if Pritzker is trying to play into 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: that playbook. 167 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 5: Listen, I have the rug pulled out from underneath me 168 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 5: when execution meets reality. I refuse to play a reality 169 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: game show with Donald Trump again. What I want are 170 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 5: the federal dollars that have been promised to Illinois and 171 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: Chicago for violence prevention programs that have proven to work. 172 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 5: That is money that Illinois taxpayers send to the federal government. 173 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: And it's an insult to any and every citizen to 174 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 5: suggest that any governor should have to beg the president 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 5: of any political party for resources owed their people. 176 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: Now, I think it's kind of rich to hear JB. 177 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Pritzker say you owe us this money that we pay 178 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: you in taxes. I can make that argument about a 179 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: million different things, and Democrats will laugh me out of 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: the room, thinking that somehow I deserve my own money. 181 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: And it's also an argument against paying taxes. Why not 182 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: just give it to the state. Why do you have 183 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: to give it to the federal government and then beg. 184 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: Back for it. 185 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: That's been a conservative argument on a great number of 186 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: issues for years now. But he seems to be saying 187 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: that if you give us the dollars, we can take 188 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: care of this. And then he goes into a conversation 189 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: about violence prevention program. I don't actually know what that is, 190 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: but he seems to be tiptoeing around the idea that 191 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: we don't mind the resources, we don't mind the push 192 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: of even the people. What is it that they're claiming 193 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: they actually mind, in this case. 194 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: The national guard. They don't want the national Guard on 195 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: the streets. And look, Pritzker can block that because it requires, 196 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, Washington, DC a federal jurisdiction. So Trump can 197 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: just order the National Guard into the streets there. That's 198 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: a federal jurisdiction. Trump has that authority. He doesn't have 199 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: that authority in Chicago, New York. You know, the only 200 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: thing that he can use the National Guard for in 201 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: those cases is to protect federal property and federal agents 202 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: who are doing you know, jurisdictional appropriate work in those 203 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,119 Speaker 1: in those cities. And that's what he did in Los Angeles. 204 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: He didn't send the National Guard in there to enforce 205 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the state and local laws. He sent them in there 206 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: to protect federal agents who are enforcing federal laws. So 207 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: Pritzker can keep it from happening, and Prince Grew's going 208 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: to keep it from happening. He doesn't want the National 209 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: Guard in Chicago. Well that's fine and dandy, but he 210 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: also doesn't want to cooperate with CE on immigration enforcement. 211 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Which is the reason why those resources are being held 212 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: back from Chicago is because they are blocking ICE from 213 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: being able to enforce federal law in Chicago, which they 214 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: have the jurisdiction to do and don't need PRINTZK permission 215 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: to do it. So as long as they're as long 216 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: as they're doing that, Trump has said, you're not going 217 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: to get federal resources from us because you're blocking us 218 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: from doing our jobs. And they don't like that. 219 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: Now, the. 220 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: Dirty little secret here is that they have been getting 221 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: those money. They got tons of federal funding from the 222 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: Biden administration, and it didn't do anything for crime. 223 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: Right. 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: That wasn't already happening on a national basis anyway, because 225 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: when you hear that crime is down twenty two percent, 226 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: it's from the peak in twenty twenty that they're talking 227 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: about during the pandemic, during all the riots, during all 228 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: that eye on the police nonsense. 229 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: I made this point to somebody on my morning show 230 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: earlier today. Why is it the left is always claiming 231 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: that crime is down? Is this true? And you could say, yes, 232 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: based on the data, crime in certain areas and certain 233 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: subjects is down, But you're not discussing the three thousand 234 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: percent increase in crime that took place over the last 235 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: few years. If it's down five percent, don't tell us 236 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: it's down. And I do think that that raw am 237 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: Manuel line is very interesting. I don't feel twenty two 238 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: percent safer is actually a very very smart approach to 239 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: the conversation. It's a binary thing. You either feel safe 240 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: or you do not feel safe. Either women are the 241 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: only ones who can get pregnant, or women are the 242 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: only ones who can get pregnant. Again, it's binary. It's 243 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: the way that one works. But I go back to 244 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: this idea of how does the left think that this 245 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: is working for them? Because you and I had this 246 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: discussion last week. These people are not dumb, but they 247 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: have chosen to be against the idea of enforcing the 248 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: law and cleaning up their own cities. Wouldn't the better 249 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: approach be, mister President, We've got a problem here, it's 250 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: for sure, and we would love your help and this 251 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: in this area. Don't send this, but send this and 252 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: together we can clean it up and show real bipartisanship. 253 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: What do you say Trump would do it? He would, 254 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: he would engage. 255 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: This is the stuff he lives for in that regard, 256 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: and no one and yet on the political left can 257 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: do it, because that would be to admit that their 258 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: system of a lack of policing and then coupled with 259 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,479 Speaker 2: a lack of prosecution never benefited it was all ideological, 260 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: and so they until they admit they can't actually succeed. 261 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: But when they go. 262 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: Down this road of no, no, no, we don't have 263 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: a problem here, there's no way it connects with anybody 264 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: who is already an ideologue living in the suburbs in 265 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: a gated community having their lawn taken care of like you. 266 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I also like to sip on cocktails 267 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and chat about proosts. You know, it's totally me. You've 268 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: got me nailed, Tony. I don't know what to tell you. 269 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: The reason why, the short answer to your question is 270 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: that the only thing that Democrats stand for right now 271 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: is opposing Trump. So anything that Trump does, they automatically 272 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: need your composed doesn't matter what it is. Trump could 273 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: come out and say water is great, and they would 274 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: tell you all the different ways in which water is 275 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: insufficient for whatever it is that you're trying to do. 276 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: You know, he could say that the sky is blue, 277 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: and you'd have a whole literal rainbow of commentary coming 278 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: out and saying, well, actually it's purple in some instances 279 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: an orange, and I mean, it's just absurd. They don't 280 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: stand for anything. They don't stand for good governance. The 281 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: only thing they stand for is that Donald Trump is 282 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: a big meaning he's a threat to us, and we 283 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: have to oppose him by all means necessary on every 284 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: single thing he does. Bowser actually has the right idea, 285 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: get the benefit from it, take some credit for it, 286 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: for cooperating while still complaining about the fact that Trump 287 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: is I mean, that's actually smart. She's actually chosen the 288 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: smartest possible path, and she's probably gonna benefit from that 289 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: in the long run. Certainly, I think Trump has lightened 290 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: up on her somewhat. Oh so she's done going through 291 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: that type of stuff anyway. But that's actually a smart 292 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: thing to do. You're right, what you just said was right. 293 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Why don't you send in five hundred National Guard troops 294 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: because we're short on police officers. While we do some recruiting, 295 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: we can have the National Guard do some you know, 296 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: some of the lower level stuff so that the police 297 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: officers we do have can be out in forced in 298 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: enforcing the law. Now, the reason why that would be 299 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: smart is it would look like you're getting the resources, 300 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: you're cooperating with Trump, but it doesn't mean that you 301 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: have to have to change your policing policies. If you 302 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: did that, you could still do the same stupid policing 303 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: policies and then claim later that it didn't really make 304 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: any difference to have the National Guard in the city. 305 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of different ways you could 306 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: play that. That's the most cynical way you could play that. 307 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: The other thing would would be to recognize that you're 308 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: not providing good governance because people are afraid to go 309 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: out of their homes in the cities that you control, 310 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: and that you actually want to govern will and protect 311 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: people and want the resources to do that while you 312 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: build other, uh, you know, other paths to deliver the 313 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: same product. The issue is that they're not going to 314 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: do any of that. Those cities are going to continue 315 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: to be dangerous, deadly fatal. Well, Washington in DC improves, 316 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: and the contrast will not be lost on people across 317 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: the country. 318 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: And that's just it. 319 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: You know, we may think of democratic policies as daft 320 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: and ignorant, and people may in the passing call it 321 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: and call them dumb, call it dumb, but you have 322 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: to just accept these are not dumb people. They're trying 323 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: to win, they're trying to be victorious. They're trying to 324 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: keep their power, and in every situation they're moving in 325 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: a way that guarantees that they won't. And as somebody 326 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: who's an observer, you're left wondering, why do they keep 327 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: doing it? Your argument is they have nothing so that 328 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: they can talk about. I don't disagree, but usually you 329 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: invent something, and every single time they turn, they only 330 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: invent something that guarantees their failure. 331 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: And that's insane. 332 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: As a matter of just sheer political observation, none of 333 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: this makes any sense for them. 334 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: And so I take a look at Schumer, and I 335 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: take a look at a keem. 336 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: Jeffries, and I asked the question ed Morrissey, when do 337 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: the Democrats get rid of these losers who are not 338 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: wartime consigliaries. They are not Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. 339 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: These guys can't fight, they don't know how to fight, 340 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: and they're going to need some new leadership if they're 341 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: going to at least try. 342 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: Well. I think raw Emmanuel will probably be one of 343 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: the good one of the guys to turn to. And 344 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily a big Emmanuel fan, but he's smart 345 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: and he's practical, two things that Democrats really aren't. At 346 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: the moment, they're not. They're neither smart nor practical. They're 347 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: obsessed with Trump and it has led them down this 348 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Primrose path to just absolute delusion. The big thing today 349 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: is CNN is talking about Democrats are worried that Trump 350 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: is going to cancel the election. Why, no reason. In 351 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: part it's because he sent the National Guard into Washington, DC. 352 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with elections. 353 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 4: Right. 354 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: If Trump was going to cancel the election, it would 355 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: have been in twenty twenty when you had riots in 356 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the streets. 357 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: You know that this is This is not a small 358 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: talking point. This has been old. He Trump's got another 359 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: reason for this. Trump's got other visions in mind. Trump 360 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: does want to take control of the twenty sixth election. 361 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: He doesn't want you to be able to vote. You've 362 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: got I believe it's Gavin Newsom saying it. You had 363 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: Lori Lightfoot, the former mayor of Chicago saying it. This 364 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: is their new talking point. And so to your point, 365 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: you're right, they have nothing else except hate Trump and 366 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: Rob Manual is an interesting choice and a pick. But 367 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: they need new leadership because they have none. Ed Morrissey 368 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: hotair dot Com I appreciate you taking the time to 369 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: be with. 370 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 3: Us more to get to I'm Tony Katz. This is 371 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: Tony Kats today. 372 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: No one cares that you've got all these roadblocks to 373 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: giving us the Epstein files. 374 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: Just give us the Epstein files. 375 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 2: And stop telling us about how you're going to work 376 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: to get us the Epstein files, and get us the 377 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: Epstein files. 378 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 3: All we want to know is who was. 379 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: On the island with Jeffrey Epstein and whether or not 380 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: we should be filing charges against them for engaging in 381 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: any type of illsted activity with children. If we're not 382 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: a society that's gonna protect children, we're not a society 383 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: at all. That's it, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good 384 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: to be with you. And I said it then and 385 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: I'll say it now. The people who said, well, President 386 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: Trump said it doesn't matter, So why are you paying 387 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: attention to it? It's just the left wine to talk 388 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: about it. Why are you talking about it? Those people 389 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: were wrong, very wrong, And I know they were on 390 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: the political right and their influencers and this and that 391 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: you can either be honest or you can be Trump's favorite. 392 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: That's all there is to it. 393 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: I think I can be respectful President Trump and admit 394 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: when he makes a mistake not wanting to release the 395 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Epstein stuff, trying to say it doesn't matter, that was 396 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: a mistake. 397 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: Ed Morrissey joins. 398 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: Me right now of hotair dot com, where he is 399 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: the Kapo dituty Coppo over there. You have got the 400 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: story if an Epstein file drops in a media forest doesn't. 401 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: Make a sound. 402 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: We have got the House now under James Comer saying 403 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: that they are finally, at long last going to make 404 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: the Epstein files public. This is the plan there, It 405 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: is right there, House plans to make Epstein files public. 406 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: Is this. 407 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 2: Is this exactly what should be happening? Or is this, 408 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: in your view, much ado about nothing. 409 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: Both? 410 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the problem here is that some of 411 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: this stuff is just not going to be releasable, right, 412 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: I mean, some of this stuff is wrapped up in 413 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: evidence that contains images of you know, underage sexual activity, 414 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: which is never going to be released. To the extent 415 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: that you have an investigation that produces information on people 416 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: who aren't going to be charged for whatever reason, it's 417 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: inappropriate to release that information because if you're going to 418 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: release that information, it should come in the form of 419 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: an indictment, at least if you're law enforcement. Now Congress 420 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: has somewhat different rules, but it still has the same impact. 421 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: So if we want to have these things fully out 422 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: in the open, we're going to have to admit to 423 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: ourselves that basically what we're doing is exposing a lot 424 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: of things that may not be corroborated, that may not 425 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: actually be evidence, that could be hearsay, that could do 426 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: a lot of damage to people who may or may 427 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: not deserve it right. This is the reason why grand 428 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: jury transcripts are kept sealed, and we already have two 429 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: federal judges reminding the Department of Justice of that fact. 430 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice went to the two federal judges 431 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: controlling the grand jury transcripts of both grand jury investigations 432 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: of Epstein and asked to have them released, and both 433 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: judges said no for two reasons. One is that Glaine 434 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: Maxwell still has an appeal before the Supreme Court. There 435 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: is at least a possibility that the Supreme Court could 436 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: order a new trial for her. Now, I think it's 437 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: unlikely because I think that the conviction was solid. I 438 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to do that. But until the 439 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: Supreme Court actually decides that the grand jury testimony really 440 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: can't be released to the public because to be prejudicial, 441 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: you basically wouldn't be able to retry her at all. 442 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: And there's questions already whether or not she was able 443 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: to get a fair trial in the first place because 444 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: of all of the publicity that was going on for 445 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: her trial. And I don't think the Supreme Court is 446 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: going to overturn it on those grounds. But if you're 447 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: releasing the grand jury testimony ahead of another trial, yeah, 448 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: I think you're going to have a real problem with 449 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: that when it gets into the pelots thing. But the 450 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: second reason is that judges don't release grand jury testimony 451 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: for the reason that a lot of that testimony is 452 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: not corroborated. A lot of it turns out to be 453 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: here sand rumors, which is acceptable at a grand jury process, 454 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: but not a trial. So I don't release that information 455 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: could do a lot of damage. 456 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: I don't think that wrong, that a release of information 457 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: could do some damage. But let me go the other 458 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: way with why I am someone who says you have 459 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: to release everything that you can. This right here is 460 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 2: the New York Post new video showing missing minute from 461 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's sell his jail cell on his last night 462 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: contradicts the DJ's explanation. So this is about the idea 463 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: that the Department of Justice showed us this video of 464 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: his cell. See nothing happened, No went in Nona. He 465 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: took his own life. And then people who are they 466 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: have much more free time than you and me Ed Marcy. 467 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: They indeed, oh my god, those clues. These people read, 468 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: their hardy boys and their Nancy Drew. These people are 469 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: step Pyclo, Encyclopedia Brown and Smart Sooothie Sunset, my friend. 470 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: They are all over by the way, how old are we? 471 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: Encyclopedia boo and smart causey Sunset on the case. They've 472 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: been doing this going over and they're like, wait, there's 473 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: a minute missing here, there's a minute missing there. And 474 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: then Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, said well that's because 475 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: the tape recycles and so. 476 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: It stops a minute before. 477 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 2: But they found the minute in this release of over 478 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: thirty three thousand things from James Comer and House Oversight. 479 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 2: Every single time they say well this is this, people 480 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: who are just average Americans are able to do the 481 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: salute thing to say, well, wait, this isn't right. And 482 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: when that happens, it is obvious that people are not 483 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: sharing a full story in its entirety to the extent possible, 484 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: and that to me signals that they have to release everything. 485 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: They're the ones holding back. Pambondi did this to herself. 486 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: President Trump did this to her himself, and it drives 487 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: me nuts. But they did it, and I'm not on 488 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: the side of them being able to say you don't get. 489 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: To see I agree with I agree with part about 490 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: Pam Bonnie and Donald Trump right, they opened this Pandora's 491 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: box all over again. They didn't need to do that. 492 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: It was stupid. However, I think the part that you're 493 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: talking about was from the DOJ during the Bill Barr era. 494 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: They were just reviewing the evidence at that the Department 495 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: of Justice had from that period. Don't forget that Bill 496 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: Barr did a complete investigation of the Epstein death and 497 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: concluded that it was suicide. And I suspect that that's 498 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: exactly where that evidence came from. And if there's a 499 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: missing minute in there, I suspect that that's where the 500 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: missing minute took place, not in the last few months, 501 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: because Bill Barr, again, they did a complete investment. It 502 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: supposedly did a complete investigation. Bill Barr came out and 503 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: said he committed suicide. That's that's the end of the story. 504 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: So the missing minute thing probably goes back a few years. 505 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: It probably goes back to the time that Epstein died. 506 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: And whether or not the DJ actually caught that or 507 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: knew about it. There's all sorts of reasons to do 508 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: to look at the investigation. What I'm saying, though, is 509 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: that what that's not what people are looking for. They're 510 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: not looking to hold Bill Barr accountable or Merrick Garland accountable. 511 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: They want to drag a bunch of you are. But 512 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: what politically speaking, what people want to do is they 513 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: want to find politicians whose names were in there so 514 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: that they could so that they can conduct a SMAAR 515 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: campaign against them. For people like Alan Dershowitz, whose name 516 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: does appear in those records but didn't do anything. And 517 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz, it took him months to finally get Virginia 518 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: Giuffrey to admit that her recollection wasn't very good on 519 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: this point, and he's the one who's in fairness, Dershowitz 520 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: is saying, well, we need to release all of it 521 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: so that people can understand the context in which people's 522 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: names appear in this. But I don't necessarily know that 523 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: the victims in all of the victims at least want 524 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: that accountability either. For the most part, they are anonymous. 525 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: Right now, let me i'mas massy and it's going to 526 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 1: drag a few of them up to the DAIS, and 527 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: if they want to come forward, that's fine. But they're 528 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: not the only people who might be impacted by this. 529 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: Hold on one second thing, I'm gonna stop. 530 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: It is a cluster you're talking about Thomas Massey and 531 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: Rokahanna who want to do this Talking to Ed Maar 532 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: of hot air dot com at Marrissey joined his Rokahanna 533 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: part of the Progressive Caucus, Thomas Massey the sole member 534 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: of the libertarian caucus in the House. That's me saying 535 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: that there, I assume I'm I'm accurate, so understand Ed's point, Guys, 536 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: that he is making a point that I agree with 537 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: and a point that drives me nuts. There are indeed 538 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: innocent people inside these files. 539 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: That's true. 540 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: That is just fact that they're mentioned doesn't mean that 541 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: they did anything wrong, that they knew Jeffrey Epstein doesn't 542 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: mean they did anything wrong. 543 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: That they had dinner with them. 544 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: There's a famous story about him getting out of jail 545 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: and he had dinner in New York and George Stephanoppolis 546 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: is there at Chelsea Handler is there. There's a whole 547 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: host of celebrities there. It doesn't mean they were on 548 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: the island engaged with young children. It's they may be awful, 549 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean that. But I'm telling you right now, 550 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: I absolutely hold Bill Barr responsible. Bill Barr should be 551 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: held responsible for the death of Jeffrey Epstein. He knew 552 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal, he knew people would be going 553 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: after him, he knew people would be watching. And you 554 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: don't have twenty seven guards in the cell outside the cell. 555 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: That is a level of a lack of professionalism. That's 556 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: a level of I'm not sure exactly what the incompetence there. 557 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: You go that should be prosecutable in my view, And 558 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure you understand where I 559 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: am coming from. 560 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: But the point you make about people. 561 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: In these files, they're not guilty, they didn't do anything wrong, 562 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: and it's going to be used against him. That is 563 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: a very very good point, and it is one that 564 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: is not when I hit on often. 565 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: But I do agree with that that is a problem. 566 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: I do not know if that is enough to say 567 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: we don't know what happened. I still argue that the files, 568 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: to the extent all of them can be released. 569 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: They should be released. 570 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: The problem with that is this is that this is 571 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: not the way that the Department of Justice or any 572 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: prosecutor's office works when you do an investigation, especially a 573 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: federal investigation. The Department of Justice doesn't release information on 574 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: people who's who are not going to be charged. And 575 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: there's as it's good reason for that. And the reason 576 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: why people are trying to force this out is not 577 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: because necessarily that they're seeking justice. It's because they're looking 578 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: both sides. Everybody, Republicans, Democrats, the few Libertarians that there 579 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: are are looking for dirt on people on their political opponents. 580 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: And that's what this is. This whole thing has become 581 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: a grossly politicized issue. The Department of Justice should have 582 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: charged this guy right off the bat, what was it, 583 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: twenty eleven. Instead, they sort of let him off the hook, 584 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: gave him home detention, and that was a deal that 585 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: was cut. I can't remember the guy who was the 586 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Trump Cabinet secretary in the first term, but it was 587 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: he was the guy that cut that deal and ended 588 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: up having to resign when it came out when his 589 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: role in that came out. Those they came back and 590 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: prosecuted him again and basically were able to create a 591 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: case that didn't involve some of the other people around 592 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: them because apparently they couldn't prove that. And some of 593 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: the people who would have been charged were actually victims 594 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: of Epstein's predatory behavior in the first place. He groomed 595 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: them and he turned them into recruiters, and so a 596 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: number of the people who would have been charged in 597 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: extended prosecutions of this would have been some of the 598 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: girls that he initially he and Maxwell initially recruited. It's 599 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: not easy to do this type of thing, and if 600 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: you don't have a case to resent before a grand jury, 601 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: or or if a grand jury simply won't indict, then 602 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: that information really shouldn't be released. Ethically speaking, that information 603 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: should remain sealed because it is because it does damage. 604 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: That's where you start running into people using the process 605 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: to punish people rather than allowing them to allowing them 606 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: due process. There's no due process in that type of release. 607 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: There's no form in which so let's just say, you know, 608 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: John Appleseed, probably a bad choice of names, is named 609 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: in that and is suggested that he committed you know, 610 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: sex trafficking with minor girls in this but they don't 611 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: have the evidence to bring him to trial. Well, where 612 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: does he go to challenge that evidence. There's no trial, 613 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: There's there's no there's not even a hearing. They've just 614 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: simply released this allegation and provide him no form for 615 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: due process to test the government's case. And I think 616 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: it's more important to protect that due process than it 617 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: is to nail some some fringe characters who are associated 618 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: with this Epstein case, primarily because a lot of people 619 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: want to make political targets. 620 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: Out of them. 621 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: Well, I want to make they should have been prosecuted 622 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: up front, if there was evidence for it, they should 623 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: have been prosecuted up front, And I want to make 624 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: my case. 625 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: So that's not the motivation. Just one more time, I 626 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: think your argument is sound. 627 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if many people have heard it, and 628 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: it is certainly sound to say we don't tell people, Well, 629 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: you have to suffer at the hands of a judicial 630 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: system when you've done nothing wrong and you have no recourse. 631 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: Right, we don't. That isn't who we are. We are 632 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: not showing the man. I'll show you the crime. We 633 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: are not. 634 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's your problem. They told us there were things 635 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 2: in here. We know there are things in here. We 636 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: know that children were abused. And I have a very 637 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: hard time with abusers being able to walk free. And 638 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: I have a very hard time, as many people do, 639 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: with the idea of a two tiered justice system that 640 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: because you've got a smaller power, et cetera, that somehow 641 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: you get away with us. This simply doesn't work. Edmarsseyhotair 642 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: dot com. I appreciate you being. 643 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: With us this whole video, I should say this whole. 644 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: We've got the video. It'll be up there on the 645 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: YouTube channel. 646 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: Just look for Tony Katz and of course Tony kats 647 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: dot com more to get to you, guys. 648 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: This is Tony Kats Today. 649 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: So this morning I bought a bunch of people egg 650 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: mcmuffins from McDonald's. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, Good to 651 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: be with you. Find everything at Tony kats dot com. 652 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: I bought the McDonald's. I do a morning show in Indianapolis, 653 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: and I've got a I've got a producer, and then 654 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: there's a I've got a morning anchor, and then there's 655 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 2: a great guy in the traffic center and they're reporters. 656 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: And I sent over egg mcmuffins and hash browns. The 657 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: egg McMuffin is perfect food, perfect perfect food, and hash 658 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: browns are hashprunts. 659 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: Send them over. 660 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: Eat enjoy came up in a conversation, you know, the 661 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: whole thing about the extra value meals coming back. And 662 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: so I sent over the egg mcmuffins. 663 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 3: So they post a picture of it. 664 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 2: They say, Hey, thanks, Tony, appreciate it, which, of course 665 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: happy happy to do it, to which one of my 666 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 2: trolls decides that the response is proving yet again, the 667 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 2: MAHA initiative is just for show. 668 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: Make America healthy again? What's wrong with people. 669 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: That allow me to try and say this in a 670 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 2: way that doesn't make me lose my mind? What is 671 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: it like to be so completely dead inside? What in 672 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: the world does an egg McMuffin have to do with 673 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 2: make America Healthy Again? 674 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: Nothing? 675 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: Are you telling me that in a world of Maha, 676 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: you can't have an egg McMuffin every now and again. 677 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in that world. I can't 678 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 2: have a piece of cake. I don't want to live 679 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: in that world either. The argument is what are we 680 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: putting into foods? How are the foods made? Are we 681 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: aware of what we're doing to ourselves? 682 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that every now and again you can't have 683 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 3: a freaking hash. 684 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: Brown And if you want to live in a world 685 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: without hash browns, knock yourself out. But if you think 686 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: you're actually connecting with people when you make statements that crazy, 687 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: dear Lord, the left really is lost. 688 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 3: Find everything at tonycats dot com tomorrow. Everyone, take care 689 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 3: of