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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for starting your week with us, Kevin Bow

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Speaker 2: and James Boy to Mark Dyton, James and I will

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Speaker 2: be up at Grand Park Tuesday through Friday, report day

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Speaker 2: tomorrow for Colts training camp and then Wednesday through Friday

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Speaker 2: morning practice morning practice again on Monday and Tuesday. So

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Speaker 2: you were here the show from Westfield and the Crows

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Speaker 2: in the background beginning coming up tomorrow morning. A couple

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Speaker 2: of Colts items from the weekend. Again, I was never

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Speaker 2: too too worried about this, and I think you saw

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Speaker 2: the dominoes start to fall there. JT Twemlola. Nothing inflicted

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Speaker 2: from the Colts yet, but some reports over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Agreed to terms on his contracts, so he should be

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Speaker 2: good when training camp again opens up for good Wednesday

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Speaker 2: morning when the Colts practice. And do you see Desmond

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Speaker 2: Ritter found a home.

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Speaker 3: I did see that, and I believe where do you

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Speaker 2: Way, Cincinnati, So back to his college roots. Yes, there

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Speaker 2: for Desmond Ridder for a.

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Speaker 4: Brief moment, he was here trying out during a veteran

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Speaker 2: Yes, So for those that missed that story back in

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Speaker 2: mid June, Desmond Riddard did have a three day tryout

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Speaker 2: He did not get really very many, if any, meaningful reps.

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Speaker 2: So right now as we sit here, you know, twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours before report day, four quarterbacks are scheduled to

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Speaker 2: report for training camp for the Colts. Those four would

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Speaker 2: be Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson, Riley Leonard, and Jason Bean.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm not like too surprised by that, but

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Speaker 2: I do think if an injury were to occur to Richardson,

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Speaker 2: I think if that situation were to arise in some

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Speaker 2: get But right now it looks like and by the

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Speaker 2: reports late last week, Anthony Richardson is good to go.

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Speaker 2: So I would say the fact that the Colts haven't

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Speaker 2: signed a quarterback yet James is probably a good thing

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Speaker 2: for Richardson's overall health. Here for the start of training camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have the gold Jason Bean. As everyone always

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Speaker 4: points out to me. You know, everyone loves the backup,

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Speaker 4: back up, backup quarterback who has all the traits and

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Speaker 4: physical attributes, preseason legend, the ring of honor exactly until

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Speaker 4: they play. So I do think it's a good point overall, though, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: and honestly for Anthony's sake, we just can't be having

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Speaker 4: and as we get really throughout the season. He's, in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, he's kind of walking on thin ice when

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Speaker 4: it comes to the injury bug. And I know that's

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Speaker 4: kind of crazy to say, because he has gotten injured

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Speaker 4: every year of his career and he's kind of an

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Speaker 3: Date back to his high school days.

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Speaker 4: But this is the year, I think where you have

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Speaker 4: Because I think what was thinking the most from the

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Speaker 4: that the fans who still rock with Anthony Richardson is

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Speaker 4: the fact that if he gets hurt, there's always gonna

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Speaker 4: be a little bit of that what if of like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: well what if he didn't. And you know, I'm of

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Speaker 4: the mindset of like, at least we'll get a clearer

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Speaker 3: If he does, I mean, if he isn't good, then

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Speaker 4: But if he isn't good or you can't really evaluate

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Speaker 4: it because of the injuries, that will be I think

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Speaker 4: a huge swing in amiss for this franchise. But I

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Speaker 4: mean they're already you know, I think they're what two

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Speaker 2: Two strikes, and I might argue you're down, oh two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good way to put a very good

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Speaker 2: Know if you're sitting two two or three two. Continue

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Speaker 2: the baseball analogy. Chris Pallard will meet the media tomorrow

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Speaker 2: around lunchtime. Your interest with the Colts GM. As weird

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Speaker 2: Chris Ballard wants it to go, James Tomorrow might be

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Speaker 2: the final time we talk with him in a media session.

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Speaker 2: That's just the reality of where things are at right

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Speaker 2: Like some years we've heard from him. Maybe some years

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Speaker 2: we haven't. I don't know. Maybe we do hear from them.

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Speaker 3: Then, yeah, I believe we usually get them.

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Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, we'll get him in training camp,

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Speaker 4: and then we'll get him right before the season starts, so.

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Speaker 2: We talk to them one more time for that Partypically,

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Speaker 4: You're not talking less unless it's bad. Yeah, unless you

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Speaker 4: know the coaches getting changed or something like that. But

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Speaker 4: I think the one of the bigger questions I have

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Speaker 4: will be just how long is his leash? Because we

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Speaker 4: know that the late Jim Irsay had a big, big

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Speaker 4: affinity for Chris Ballard, and I would argue that that

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Speaker 4: he liked Chris Ballard more than most owners would. I

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Speaker 4: think that's a fair statement given his resume and the

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Speaker 4: one way or the other if that same affinity has

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Speaker 4: transferred to the Daughters now, but I can say that

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Speaker 4: little bit more just how do I put this?

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Speaker 3: I felt like carl Ursa.

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Speaker 4: Gordon was very direct in her opening press conference as

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Speaker 4: where she fled out said Chris Ballad and Shane Stachen

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Speaker 4: know they have to be better. They know this isn't

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Speaker 4: She did publicly back them, she said, I believe they

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Speaker 4: Mercy referred to Chris Ballard or you know Shane Stychen

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Speaker 4: Those things aren't true, whether it was Jim Marcus saying

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Speaker 4: and also what is their balance between patients and impatience

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Speaker 2: You think we hear from carl Er, say Gordon at

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Speaker 4: Her father did, I'm going to say no, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: say no. I would like to hear from her. Isn't required, obviously,

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Speaker 4: her father typically did speak. He would joint practice joint practice,

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Speaker 4: I just think that I would love for that to happen,

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Speaker 4: But I'm not so sure they were.

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Speaker 3: They're very reserved and quiet.

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Speaker 4: Before even before they you know, they took over as

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Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily know how that will go.

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Speaker 4: But I would just say I wouldn't bet on it,

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Speaker 4: but I would certainly preferred as a member of the media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either on it. But

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Speaker 2: to get back to that point you made earlier, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I probably said this when you know, unfortunately

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Speaker 2: for the organization. I think she's just more of a

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Speaker 2: math and a numbers person. Who is this I'm sorry, Carly, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the emotional ties to it. Of I think she'll look

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Speaker 2: at the raw facts of Wait a minute, We're in

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Speaker 2: our longest playoff rout in thirty years. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: we haven't had a home playoff game in ten years.

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Speaker 3: We haven't meet the Jaguars ever.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Only three teams in the NFL have

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Speaker 2: a longer playoff drout currently than us.

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Speaker 4: When you say that one, Tha, that one really hits home,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, but also dang four years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So like I think when you add up all

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Speaker 2: of that, I guess to answer your question, I would

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Speaker 2: assume that the seat is you know, to go with

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Speaker 2: week is very, very warm, but there is still a

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Speaker 2: likes Chris Bouart, I don't think there's like any I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's icy by any means from a relationship standpoint.

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Speaker 2: And there is part of me that, you know, thought

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Speaker 2: to myself, if you know, Jim Mersey had been in

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Speaker 2: better health the last couple off seasons would be even

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Speaker 2: still be here of a ninth year for the Colts GM.

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Speaker 2: But again, Chris bout to meet the media. Coming up tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: it'll be a report day out there for Colts Training Camp,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be out there covering morning practices Wednesday through Friday.

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Speaker 2: This is the longest stretch of consecutive practices we'll get

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Speaker 2: all training camp long. We'll have four straight days, three

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Speaker 2: morning practices and Saturdays and afternoon practice. That is definitely

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Speaker 2: the longest stretch of consecutive days of work for the

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Speaker 2: Colts at Grand Park. I bring that up because of

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, and I think we've now kind of gotten

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Speaker 2: to the next rung of the ladder. On the Richardson story.

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Speaker 2: You confirmed Stephen Holder's report late last week that Richardson

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I saw Stephen Holder by the way over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: I told him, why are you making me work? This

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Speaker 4: could have been a question answered by Chris Ballard on

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Speaker 4: day one, we would have had news for the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, Stephen was a busy man last week,

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Speaker 2: and I saw him with Adam Schefter last week.

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Speaker 3: I saw it and I told him he was a

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Speaker 3: little under dress. By the way, I'm like.

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Speaker 4: You, Stephen Holder, who we are referred to, I would

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Speaker 3: He is very, very sharp, and I said, where's the blessings?

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Speaker 2: Truly a comp By the way, Stephen Holder is a

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Speaker 2: great dressure? Is that truly a Have you seen how

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Speaker 2: some of us dress?

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Speaker 3: That is true? I don't wear a belt until Sundays.

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Speaker 6: So you're saying he's the best in a low bar,

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Speaker 6: low bar, but I actually think that he's a very

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Speaker 6: good jar is buried six feet under.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a good dresser though.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean it would be like Scoonnie Scheffler

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Speaker 2: golfing of all of us.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, But I'll let you continue your applies.

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Speaker 4: Want to give a holder a bit of a jab there,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, man, what are you doing? What do

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Speaker 2: Could you fill our audience in does Kelsey Plumb hate

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: So you know what, and I shouldn't have jumped the gun.

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Speaker 4: you know, and Kelsey Plump played for Team Collier reference

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Speaker 4: like Kalyn Clark built the entire WNBA by herself, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that part you're you're trying to get paid,

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Speaker 2: The finances of the WNBA confuses me. It's really over

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Speaker 4: A fifty to fifty split, right, Yeah, If it's not

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Speaker 3: It is the WNBA. The players currently receive about nine point.

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Speaker 3: The league doesn't make enough money? Whatever?

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Speaker 3: Give me more money.

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Speaker 4: And for those who are out there like mad about this,

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Speaker 3: Is it our money? Who cares?

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Speaker 4: signs and things of that nature. So I don't know

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Speaker 4: if we get to that point because everyone threatens a lockout.

440
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Speaker 4: But the one thing that is very true is that

441
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Speaker 4: when the has done in the past, the NBA has

442
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Speaker 4: done in the past. I remember, what was it, twenty

443
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Speaker 4: eleven for the NBA. I believe your top top stars

444
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 4: make a ton of money and they're fine, And you

445
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Speaker 4: can't say that for the entire WNBA, Like, yeah, if

446
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Speaker 4: they lock out, Kaitlin Clark is fine, Sabrian Nescue is fine,

447
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Speaker 4: but what about your third or fourth best players on

448
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Speaker 4: the team. They have to go make a livelihood somewhere.

449
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Speaker 4: So that to me is a certainly a big factor

450
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Speaker 4: when it comes to lockout talks, and so We'll see

451
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Speaker 4: how things go later on this year, but it certainly

452
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Speaker 4: made for I guess, some more newsworthy All Star game,

453
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Speaker 4: because to me, that was my biggest takeaway. It was like, Oh,

454
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Speaker 4: they're trying to make a statement on the biggest, one

455
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Speaker 4: of the biggest platforms.

456
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Speaker 2: Boston pulling up for the four point shot ago.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I felt pretty good about it early on

458
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Speaker 4: because page Backers made the first one for Team Collier

459
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Speaker 4: and they were actually shooting it pretty well. And then

460
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Speaker 4: they just started launching them and I was like, you

461
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Speaker 4: know what, this feels a lot like the last game

462
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Speaker 4: with the YMCA, like when everyone should have went home,

463
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Speaker 4: but you were like, no, let's play one more. And

464
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Speaker 4: then everyone's like, yeah, we shouldn't have played there.

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Speaker 6: There was that moment where they had Caitlyn Clark on

466
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Speaker 6: the sideline, like four point shots from here on out,

467
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Speaker 6: I'm like, we don't have to do that.

468
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Speaker 2: In the w is not a chucking league like the

469
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Speaker 2: NBA can. I mean, those guys do chuck a lot,

470
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Speaker 2: but you, I mean, they're also capable of I think

471
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Speaker 2: hitting that shot on a more frequent rate. I think

472
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Speaker 2: a lot of people like the WNBA or Women's Basketball

473
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Speaker 2: in general, because it is a little bit more of

474
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Speaker 2: a like flowing five person offense and like you're doing

475
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff inside the arc, and we definitely

476
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Speaker 2: did not get that. Saturday Night tomorrow on this Ben

477
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Speaker 2: Pickman covers the WNBA for the Athletic in the nine

478
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Speaker 2: o'clock hour. Up next, though, it's Colt Stock. Joel A.

479
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Speaker 2: Erickson from The Star joined us next. Well, I could

480
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Speaker 2: see it now tomorrow on Westfield a peacock strut from

481
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Speaker 2: our next guest. This song might be playing in the background.

482
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the kid on summer vacation. You know,

483
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Speaker 2: he just just took his girl to the movie theater.

484
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Speaker 2: You know travel. Baseball season couldn't have gone better. I mean,

485
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Speaker 2: he's on top of the world, went to every camp,

486
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Speaker 2: you know, ice cream visits galore. His team's won ten

487
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Speaker 2: straight baseball games. They just swept the Dodgers. He is

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Speaker 2: Joel a Ericson Joel, I'm gonna say congrats to you

489
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Speaker 2: now so I don't have to say it tomorrow. And

490
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Speaker 2: how your Brewers are.

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Speaker 5: Playing, I I I am, I am admittedly surprised. I

492
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Speaker 5: probably shouldn't be, given their their run over the lest However,

493
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Speaker 5: many you know, since eighteen basically, But I did not

494
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Speaker 5: when they lost four straight to the Yankees open the season.

495
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Speaker 5: I did not think that they would be tied for

496
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Speaker 5: the second best record in baseball at this point.

497
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Speaker 2: Are you guys the new Cardinals?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, as much as much as it hurts me

499
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Speaker 5: to admit that, because and that's a cop, then it's

500
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Speaker 5: it's a sick compliment.

501
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Speaker 2: Mark Dyken almost barred when I said that, I.

502
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Speaker 6: Hug a little bit in my mouth.

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Speaker 2: It's a jealous compliment. That's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. No, they they are very much like that, you know.

505
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Speaker 5: They also they kind of winy. You know, people call

506
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Speaker 5: it like devil magic or whatever, but really it's just

507
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Speaker 5: defense and base running and winning on the margins.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, now you really sound like a

509
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Speaker 2: Cardinals fan. All right, man, gosh, let's just moving runners

510
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Speaker 2: over and you know timely bullpen.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we can pivot to something that will

512
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Speaker 4: put Joel in a you know, perhaps a sadder mood.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

514
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Speaker 4: Colts quarterback competition it resumes, presumably Joel this week over

515
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Speaker 4: at Grand Park. So big picture wise, what are some

516
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Speaker 4: of these storylines quarterback or non quarterbacks you're looking at

517
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Speaker 4: as we gear up for twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 5: Well number one, I mean, you know, I know we

519
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Speaker 5: all reported last week that after you know, Steven Holder

520
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Speaker 5: had a ESPN Stephen Holder head at first that Richardson

521
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Speaker 5: was growing again. My understanding is that, like you know,

522
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Speaker 5: we still need to see where he is showing. They

523
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Speaker 5: had talked in the in earlier June about you know,

524
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Speaker 5: when he came back, we're going to ease him back

525
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Speaker 5: into this. You know, I'm curious what to see what

526
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Speaker 5: see what happens once the team doctors get him. But

527
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Speaker 5: that's not that's not knowing anything. That's just you know,

528
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Speaker 5: wondering what what what it's going to look like and

529
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Speaker 5: then if if he is full go. You know, I

530
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Speaker 5: think the biggest thing for Richardson is can he be

531
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Speaker 5: Can he be more consistent? Can he be more consistent

532
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Speaker 5: throwing the football on a daily basis? Can he prove

533
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Speaker 5: to Shane Styke and that he can move the chains

534
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Speaker 5: the way he needs him to?

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Speaker 2: Joel position battle, you have no idea on.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like how everything shakes out

537
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Speaker 5: at maybe offensive line. I feel like I know what's

538
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: gonna happen there, but there's there's also I was right.

539
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Speaker 5: I was writing the other day and I was kind

540
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Speaker 5: of thinking to myself, you know, we we we know

541
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Speaker 5: they want Tanner, Bordelini, met Gonzalvez to have those spots,

542
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Speaker 5: but these guys are still second year players in the NFL.

543
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Speaker 5: Gonzalez is playing in a position that's not the position

544
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Speaker 5: he's played mostly for the last however many years. You

545
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Speaker 5: know Bordolini, you know, for I think he was coming

546
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Speaker 5: off of injury, but they did go with Danny Pinter

547
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Speaker 5: twice late down the stretch. Like there's there's some uncertainty

548
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Speaker 5: there with offensive line, and and also you know that

549
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Speaker 5: if something happens to one of the tackles, you know,

550
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Speaker 5: you got Blake Freedom, who played a ton of snaps

551
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Speaker 5: as rookie, didn't really play last year. We don't really

552
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Speaker 5: know anything about Jalen Travis from the NFL standpoint. Yet.

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Speaker 5: I think that that offensive line is maybe something that

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Speaker 5: that people aren't really talking about right now, that is

555
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Speaker 5: maybe more of a qui question mark than than I think.

556
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Speaker 5: Then maybe we're the attention we're giving it.

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Speaker 4: Joel, I do want to pivot a bit so around

558
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Speaker 4: this time of the year. There's usually a lot of

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Speaker 4: optimism brewing from the big man, the late Jim Irsay,

560
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Speaker 4: and we would hear from him throughout training camp, throughout

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Speaker 4: the final preseason game on the broadcast, and he would

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Speaker 4: often mention a Lombardi or two, you know, during his

563
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Speaker 4: preseason you know, I don't know meetings with us now

564
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Speaker 4: that the daughters are in place, you know, what do

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Speaker 4: you think it'll be like for this team to sort

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Speaker 4: of adjust to their leadership style and do you expect

567
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Speaker 4: to hear from the Ers daughters or Carli Ersa Gordon

568
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Speaker 4: specifically leading up to the season.

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Speaker 5: That's that's interesting. I am expecting a little bit less

570
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Speaker 5: public commentary from ownership, and that's that's really not that

571
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Speaker 5: out there because you know, in most NFL cities the

572
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 5: owner does not speak publicly that often. I also think

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Speaker 5: that you know, like you said, we're kind of used

574
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Speaker 5: to having the one practice where we talked to Jim

575
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Speaker 5: during the middle of the during the middle of the practice,

576
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Speaker 5: and he's he's usually very optimistic. I I got the

577
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Speaker 5: sense from from the press conference that they did, you know,

578
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Speaker 5: back earlier in the summer that this the group of daughters,

579
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Speaker 5: especially Carly is going to be much more you know,

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Speaker 5: cautious with with what they say. She didn't. She didn't

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Speaker 5: really pend herself in at all on any of the

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Speaker 5: major questions surrounding the Cults when we talked to her,

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Speaker 5: And I think that that probably applies to the way

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Speaker 5: she would, you know, handicap the season if if we

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Speaker 5: asked her to do the same thing. You know, her

586
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Speaker 5: approach was, We've got to wait and see how this

587
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Speaker 5: all plays out, which you know that that's not really

588
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Speaker 5: the way her father usually talked about the team at

589
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Speaker 5: that point or this point of the season. He usually

590
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Speaker 5: felt pretty optimistic about it. I just think that's probably

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Speaker 5: the difference.

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Speaker 2: He's Joel A. Ericsson from the Indianapolis Star. He's with

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Speaker 2: this here again. Report day for the Colts coming up tomorrow,

594
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: first practice Wednesday morning at Grand Park. The defense takes

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Speaker 2: a jump this year, Joel, of what happens.

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Speaker 5: As long as as long as the corners stay healthy.

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Speaker 5: As long as the corners stay healthy, and maybe you

598
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Speaker 5: can't mind them stays healthy, I think the defense takes

599
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 5: a jump. It's it's really if you think back to

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Speaker 5: where this corner room has been going into camp the

601
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Speaker 5: last couple of years. It's just it's incredible how different

602
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Speaker 5: it looks at this point in the season. You know,

603
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Speaker 5: for the last however many years, it feels like they've

604
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Speaker 5: gone in a training camp with I think probably you know,

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Speaker 5: definitely two years of Gus Bradley's thing. They've gone in

606
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Speaker 5: the training camp with one spot open, you know, not

607
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: knowing who's going to necessarily fill that and and having

608
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: young guys competing for that spot or both spots. Now

609
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: you've got a bona fide number one corner. Uh in Ward,

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Speaker 5: you've got Kenny Moore, who I'm expecting to be very

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Speaker 5: interesting in lou Ana Riumo's defense, just because we've seen

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Speaker 5: what he can do with a nickel before. And then

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Speaker 5: the amount of guys competing for playing time elsewhere, it's

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Speaker 5: it's not just Juju Branson, Jalen Jones, It's it's justin Wally.

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Speaker 5: It's uh Sam Womack, who started eight games last year,

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Speaker 5: you know, and you know there's probably a ceiling with

617
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Speaker 5: Womack as a starting outside corner, but we've seen him

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Speaker 5: play well if you put put in the right situations.

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Speaker 5: They've got Corey Balentin on the roster. It just feels

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Speaker 5: like a much deeper position, and then much deeper, and

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Speaker 5: then also on the top end. The top end is

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Speaker 5: much higher than I can remember it being for a while.

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Speaker 5: So it just feels like that's a position that's very

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Speaker 5: different than what we're used to seeing.

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Speaker 2: Taking quarterback questions off the board, a question you have

626
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Speaker 2: tomorrow for Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 5: Is there is there anything left that they can do

628
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Speaker 5: at linebacker? There feels like there's a ton of risk

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Speaker 5: in that position, just in terms of you you're betting

630
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Speaker 5: on Carlives, You're assuming Carlives is going to make a leap.

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Speaker 5: Most of the guys behind him are special teams types

632
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Speaker 5: or or you know, unproven younger players don't really have snaps.

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Speaker 5: You know, Ballard would probably say, yes, there's definitely something

634
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Speaker 5: we can do at linebacker. You know, we can get

635
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Speaker 5: to the end of camp and and see what shakes loose.

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Speaker 5: But just feels like that spot, regardless of how much

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Speaker 5: they're going to use it or not use it, or

638
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: or play other guys on third down, it feels like

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Speaker 5: that spot to me is is pretty thin right now.

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Speaker 4: Joell, I don't have a football related question to cap

641
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Speaker 4: this thing off, but I do know, Joel is like

642
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: our residents us in the media room, So, well, what

643
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: have you been cooking up this summer?

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Speaker 3: Anything new?

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00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: You try again? Another probably very low bar, especially with Mike,

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00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: especially with Mike Chapels.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I was gonna say, well, Mike, I'm okay

648
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Speaker 4: if I follow the directions.

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Speaker 3: I'm not Joel. I'm not Joeling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, you're you're Dino nuggets at you know.

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Speaker 3: You ain't.

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00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: You ain't seeing me throw now, you know, I do

653
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: the Dinald nuggets because that's just convenient. But when I

654
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Speaker 4: read and you know, put a couple of steps together,

655
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Speaker 4: Kevin bowing, I am I am nice, I am nice

656
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Speaker 4: in the kitchen, but I am not Joel. So Joel,

657
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Speaker 4: enlighten us on what you've been working on.

658
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Speaker 5: Well, the hardest thing games is when you have when

659
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Speaker 5: you have three kids and they're all running all over

660
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Speaker 5: the place and doing stuff. Is we're starting to get

661
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: to the point where we've got to figure out how

662
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Speaker 5: to make food when we're not standing there.

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Speaker 4: Which is why I choose Dinald nuggets, by the way,

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Speaker 4: But continue that that is.

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Speaker 5: That is the difficulty. Now, you know, the smoker helps,

666
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: you know, every once in a while, the pork shoulder

667
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: can help for a week, uh, the the slow cooker helps.

668
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 5: But that's that's the thing right now. Is that like

669
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Speaker 5: in terms of in terms of really getting into it

670
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Speaker 5: and trying new stuff, I we're just not home enough

671
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Speaker 5: on a lot of nights to really do that. And

672
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Speaker 5: then and then, you know, as all parents will know,

673
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Speaker 5: you've got one kid who will only eat meat, one

674
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 5: kid who only eats only eats food that tastes if

675
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: he thinks his junk food. And then you know the

676
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: baby who knows what he might eat on any given day.

677
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: So that's that's the hard part with cooking now, is

678
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Speaker 5: like if I want to make something really good, I

679
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: usually have to like make it for just being my wife,

680
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: and then hedge our bets with something for the kids.

681
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: And then the kids end up liking it and they

682
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: eat half the food that I make for us.

683
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Speaker 4: Anyway, you know what, don't worry about it, Joe. I'll

684
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Speaker 4: bring my type of way to work, you know, a

685
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Speaker 4: couple of days. So if you got anything you want

686
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Speaker 4: to drop off, brother, I'm there.

687
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Speaker 2: McConnell, Mom, spaghetti, shout out Mussel, others, Joel, I forget

688
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: if you. I don't know if you were full go

689
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: on the baseball stadium tour, but was there fun visit

690
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: you or we didn't target field?

691
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Speaker 5: We did target field in Minnesota this time we were up.

692
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Speaker 5: Our time in Wisconsin did not coincide with like a

693
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Speaker 5: with like a home stand for the Brewers. And where

694
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Speaker 5: my where my dad lives is about an hour and

695
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 5: a half ish from from target fields. We went and

696
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: did target field. Uh, very I mean very nice. I

697
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: will say this. It gives more of a stadium field

698
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 5: and like a ballpark field to me. It's it's downtown.

699
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Speaker 5: It's it's like it feels big, it feels you know,

700
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Speaker 5: huge and concrete and everything like that. It's it's a

701
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Speaker 5: great view of downtown.

702
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Speaker 2: Is it near the football stadium.

703
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Speaker 5: No, it's kind of on the other end of downtown.

704
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Speaker 5: It's kind of like off on another another side of it.

705
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Speaker 5: We saw we saw Rick Van Turrey's rays again it's

706
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Speaker 5: the twins.

707
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Speaker 2: And you saw Rick Vandury.

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Speaker 6: I was gonna be like, man, I saw Rick Ventry

709
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 6: at a rave and I was like, wow, that'd be

710
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Speaker 6: something man.

711
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: Rick going to a rave unless it involves you know,

712
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: cornerbacks and in in you know, quarterback play or him

713
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: arguing about who should be the third string rights tackle.

714
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: Oh it's either that or if you if you ever

715
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Speaker 5: walk up on me and Rick during training camp, we

716
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Speaker 5: might be talking about that stuff and we might be

717
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: talking about Junior Camenaro.

718
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess the latter. Knowing how you two operate,

719
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Speaker 2: Tie Brewers are really good. I'm calling them the modern Cardinals.

720
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: I guess They've yet to really win anything yet, but

721
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: still they just make me jealous.

722
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Speaker 5: As a fan.

723
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Speaker 2: So Joel, congrats on that, and then all seriousness, looking

724
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Speaker 2: forward to seeing you tomorrow.

725
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 5: Yep, we'll see guys tomorrow morning.

726
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Speaker 2: Mark, my kids know this song from Shrek.

727
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 6: My kids as well, I said, I know this from

728
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Speaker 6: Mystery Men, the often forgotten Ben Stiller and Pee Wee

729
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Speaker 6: Herman movie from my early two thousands, and.

730
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Speaker 2: Here Max Bow and Yell and Shrek right now, as

731
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Speaker 2: soon as this well it's played of course All Star Weekend.

732
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Speaker 2: Mark Dyton's thought process behind that, and James Boyd, a

733
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Speaker 2: man that was very busy for All Star Weekend and

734
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Speaker 2: does a great job cover women's basketball in general for

735
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Speaker 2: the Athletic. That's our payless lookers right now, right Ben Pickman.

736
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Speaker 4: Ben Pickman, Yes, And so for those who are looking

737
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Speaker 4: in the YouTube chat and for those listening who can't

738
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Speaker 4: see my face, if there are bags under my eyes,

739
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Speaker 4: it is because Ben Pickman was my chaperone over the weekend,

740
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Speaker 4: and I don't think either of us went to bed

741
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Speaker 4: when we're probably supposed to. But it was a fun

742
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Speaker 4: weekend nonetheless, and Ben, I believe, is now back in

743
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Speaker 4: New York. So Ben, thanks joining the show, my man.

744
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks to for having me James, that is definitely correct.

745
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: But I'm happing to show you're a good time in

746
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Speaker 1: your city as well.

747
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's always good to have a friend

748
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: that can get you into some some cool places.

749
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Speaker 3: I was telling him earlier.

750
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Speaker 4: Ben, they were asking, Hey, who were some of the

751
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: celebrities you saw out and I was like, yeah, we

752
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: were in a party and Lisa Leslie walked by and

753
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: that was pretty incredible stuff. So I can't take you

754
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: enough for that experience. And my mom was pretty she

755
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: thought I was cool, you know, been because of that.

756
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Speaker 4: So I'll take that as a w But I do

757
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 4: want to pivot, I guess some more serious matters. Let's

758
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: start with you know, I guess not too serious. We'll

759
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: get into the CBA stuff here shortly. But for the

760
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: All Star Weekend itself, how do you think Indy was

761
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Speaker 4: as a host of this event as someone who attends

762
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: these things, you know, every year.

763
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind ye did a really great job. I

764
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Speaker 1: think All Start weekend generally across the WNBA has really

765
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Speaker 1: grown in terms of events, brand activations, partnerships, just feeling

766
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Speaker 1: like a really important weekend over the last four or

767
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Speaker 1: five years. I remember when just a couple of years back,

768
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Speaker 1: WNBA live at like eight to ten brands in it. It

769
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Speaker 1: was a single street in Chicago, and now the Convention

770
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Speaker 1: Center was stilled and fans were there, you know, it

771
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Speaker 1: was taxed in the afternoon. It was like a women's

772
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Speaker 1: basketball amusement park of just things that you could do.

773
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Speaker 1: And then you look at the basketball itself and like,

774
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Speaker 1: I was a little nervous heading into the weekend with

775
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Park not participating, Like was the weekend go have

776
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: a little less juice because of me? But I would

777
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: say the answer to that is, you know, like Kelsey

778
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: Mitchell and the Lee of Austin and kind of assume

779
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: the role of the factor host. There were tons of signage,

780
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: there were tons of energy around in the city. Really

781
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: did feel like the Center Women's Basket of all I

782
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: thought they need did a really really great job and

783
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: it's got a high standard. Ford whoever hosted next summer.

784
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Speaker 2: It's a voice of Ben Pickman again covers the w

785
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: and really women's ass on general for the athletic He's

786
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Speaker 2: with us here on the paylist stickers hotline. Ben, thank

787
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: you for the time. Let's move over to where we're

788
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: at from a league negotiation standpoint. We obviously saw the

789
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: demonstration from a shirt standpoint from players prior to the

790
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: game on Saturday night. What would be your biggest question

791
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to the bargaining either side here as

792
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: this plays out with October thirty, first deadline on a

793
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: new collective bargaining agreement.

794
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my question is I'm just wondering how

795
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: much progress can really get me when games resumed, Right,

796
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: because we saw that this was so significant about last

797
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: Thursday's meeting between the players and the league. It was

798
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: their first in person meeting that involved players since September. Right,

799
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: the league took for the players around five months to

800
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: respond to a proposal and got back to them kind

801
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: of in late June early July. Now, a lot of

802
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: progress was made over that time, and so that is

803
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: what made last Thursday meeting so significant. More than forty

804
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: players attended. Now the teams are resuming, like all talks resumed.

805
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: You know, both sides have said that the deregating other

806
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: meeting schedules. It's unclear that is a virtual meeting, were

807
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: an in person meeting. But there is still a long

808
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: way to go on this negotiats, and now we are

809
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: a long way await from potentially missing games in twenty

810
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: twenty six. But you know, I don't know if as

811
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Speaker 1: much progress as the players certainly wanted to meet on

812
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: this weekend was actually meeting at the angle work. The commisioner

813
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: said they were constructive talks for whatever that has worked,

814
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: and she said Thomas wanted a question. I asked, since

815
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Speaker 1: she's so confident they can get the deal done by

816
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: the deadline. But I think the deals are quickly taking

817
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: off the calendar and we'll see how much Prigres actually

818
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: gets to me. The remat.

819
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 4: One more on that ben when it comes to what

820
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: the players are fighting for, and they have the shirts

821
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: that said, you know, pay us what you owe us

822
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: is that in reference to the revenue split. I know

823
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: people are all up in arms about you know, is

824
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: a WNBA profitable and you know, how much money should

825
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: they really be making? But I think, at least in

826
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Speaker 4: my opinion from reading you're working others, the biggest, one

827
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 4: of the biggest factors in these negotiations is that, hey,

828
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Speaker 4: we're only getting I believe it's around nine or ten

829
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: percent of the revenue, whereas on the men's side, for

830
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: the NBA, they're getting that fifty fifty split.

831
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Speaker 1: Yeah, revenue sharing and salary structure and max salaries are

832
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: really kind of the two or three financial components and

833
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: they're all, you know, interwoven together at sway here it

834
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: seems like max salar's are going to increase and we'll

835
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: see eventually by how much in terms of revenue sharing.

836
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: You got to thing about a big picture that the

837
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: WNBA is in this explosive period of growth, right, look

838
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: at merchandise, look at attendance, look at TV ratings, Look

839
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: at these spansion fees. Right, two hundred and fifty million

840
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: dollars through these three new teams, up from fifty just

841
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: a few years ago. So business is booming and the

842
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: players are saying that they want to grow with a business.

843
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: And so in the league's counterproposal that they sent back

844
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Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago, and this is per

845
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: players voicing it, they said that the league just sent

846
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: back a kind of fixed and small percentage of revenue

847
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Speaker 1: sharing over the next couple of years, and more players

848
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Speaker 1: wouldn saying that doesn't mean that means we're then not

849
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Speaker 1: growing with the business. It's six percentage, right, And think

850
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: about a big picture too. The WNBA, unlike the NBA,

851
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: not only does it not have a fifty to fifty

852
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: revenue sharing split right now, but the ownership structure of

853
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: the leagues are totally different. Right, forty two percent of

854
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: the WNBA is owned by the NBA, then another forty

855
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: two percent is owned by w NBA owners. Now there

856
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: is some double dippy in that group, and that remaining

857
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: sixteen percentages owned by people who invested any capital raise

858
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: just a few years ago, and so those people are

859
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: also part of either NBA or WNBA orship. So there

860
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: is a lot of times swimming that already have to

861
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: happen before money of the kind of trickles down the players,

862
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: so to speak. So that is part of why this

863
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: is such a complicated puzzle, and you know financial situation

864
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: that's so we're out is there are a lot of staples,

865
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of players service speak.

866
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Speaker 5: I guess entities I should.

867
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Speaker 1: Say, who want a profit off the WNBA's business.

868
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Speaker 2: It's been pickman from the Athletic covers. The WNBA been.

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Speaker 2: The Fever right now return tomorrow night at the New

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Speaker 2: York Liberty. Kaitlyn Clark not expected to play with that

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Speaker 2: right growing injury. We are the standings right now, the

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Speaker 2: Fever are in six. Again. We know the top eight

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs, but they're only one and a half

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Speaker 2: out from being out of the playoff picture. So I

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Speaker 2: guess I asked that in this way. We got about

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Speaker 2: two months left for the regular season. How long do

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Speaker 2: you think they could handle a Caitlin absence before things

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Speaker 2: start getting a little dicey in terms of them securing

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Speaker 2: one of those playoff spots.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think there's certainly sustain even if

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Speaker 1: she does have to mix extended period of having the

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Speaker 1: right We don't know the severity of for injury, but

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Speaker 1: I do still think the general feeling of this team

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Speaker 1: is much lower than what people thought handing into this season, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even if you were to come back to me,

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Speaker 1: continuity is so important in recent memory of these teams

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Speaker 1: that have won the championships and gone, he'd run showing

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Speaker 1: just that. And that is true. You know, the WNBA

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Speaker 1: is true in a lot of other sports, frankly right,

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Speaker 1: and the in the NBA for this year, for all

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Speaker 1: the highs and the high points. I think about the

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Speaker 1: commissioner sub victory over Minnesota, there's a struggle to be

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Speaker 1: a consistent team. That part of that is injury. Part

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Speaker 1: of that is your out liups. Part of that is

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Speaker 1: you are just so nice. They bring more energy, competitive fire.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely white. It's send than others to me, Derek, currently,

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Speaker 1: what fixture and standard Because as we were doing playing

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Speaker 1: in the second half, if you told me that at

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Speaker 1: the start the playoffs or they were still six like,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 5: To me.

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Speaker 1: That feels, you know, not knowing all of their games

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Speaker 1: and the total off with up their schedules, that seems

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Speaker 1: to be pretty realistic. Whether Clark returns and break most

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Speaker 1: of the second half or all of the second half,

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Speaker 1: or whether Champs in the sixtended period time. It still

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Speaker 1: is a talented roster and things are pretty bunched. But

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Speaker 1: again and Taylor Park's a pre season that you know,

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Speaker 1: championship expectations on this team. I think Indiana that's proven

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Speaker 1: a very long way aways from the upper upper excellent

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Speaker 1: of the league.

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Speaker 4: So last one from me, Ben, and we'll get you

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Speaker 4: out of here. And it's a very hard hitting question.

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Speaker 4: You know you are in New York. You cover the

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Speaker 4: liberty I think probably a little bit closer than the

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Speaker 4: other w NBA teams just given the proximity. And we

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Speaker 4: sawn a Toash to Cloud you know, win the money

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Speaker 4: from the Skills Challenge until you know is he Harrison?

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Speaker 4: Hey babe, you know we're gonna go by that house.

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Speaker 4: But you should have to do the skill to get

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Speaker 4: the Skills Challenge titles. So what rule changes do we

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Speaker 4: need in this? I am sick of this on the

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Speaker 4: men's side and women's side. What can we do? Shouldn't

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Speaker 4: be the penalty if you are unable to make a

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Speaker 4: shot or makeup pass, yet you still complete the skills

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Speaker 4: quote unquote faster than the other person.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Hark, are you a fan of sid penalty

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Speaker 1: in games that like instead of just you know, having

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Speaker 1: a be thirty second, thirty five second, forty seconds complete

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Speaker 1: it that you know, you get a two second penalty

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Speaker 1: or three second penalty or whatever that number is if

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Speaker 1: you are unable to complete an obstacle or a few

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Speaker 1: minutes a shot or throwing at costs. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: your suggestion because I feel like that is the the

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Speaker 1: logical move potentially here.

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Speaker 4: That's where I'm at because I'm thinking, hey, we're supposed

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Speaker 4: to promote you as the most skilled players in the world,

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Speaker 4: and if you can't make a jump shot on three

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Speaker 4: or four tries, then you know, it happens, but you

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Speaker 4: should not be able to win by not making a shot.

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Speaker 4: That that I mean Erica Wheeler. When I saw her

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Speaker 4: response to you know some of the the loss and

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Speaker 4: I respected it, I was I agreed on not in

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Speaker 4: my head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point for me, honestly, And

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Speaker 1: you can, you know, continue to push for skills challenge changes.

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Speaker 1: I want to see the return of a higher shoot

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Speaker 1: game star challenge. Who was an NBA All Star fan

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Speaker 1: kind of in the mid two thousands, you know it

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Speaker 1: throwing two thousand and five or I want to say

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Speaker 1: ten or fifteen whenever it was this like three legged

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Speaker 1: shooting challenge between an NBA player, an NBA legend and

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Speaker 1: a w NBA player. I would love to see that

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Speaker 1: brought to WNBA All Star weekend when you're out the

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Speaker 1: WNB player in WNB legend and an NBA player compete again.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be a great event and a

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Speaker 1: great at throw back into WNBA All Star Friday night.

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Speaker 1: This time was always my favorite of when I watched

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Speaker 1: it then, and I think, you know it would be

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Speaker 1: great now. Who would have wanted to see in the

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Speaker 1: NFC first player you know, shoot alongside Telsea Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Tivy Knatrick like that would have been a the moment

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Speaker 1: of the weekend. It's not been in India plus just

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Speaker 1: a couple of days weeks.

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Speaker 2: Well, little did he know he was on babysitting duty

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Speaker 2: for James Boyd this weekend. That's what Ben Pickman had

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Speaker 2: to do at night there. I can't imagine having a

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Speaker 2: babysit same Boyd there certainly deserves a lot there. I

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Speaker 2: will venmo you off air, Ben, thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it and time next time, hopefully we

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Speaker 1: can do it again.