1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Line from Vaull Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: It was about six years ago today that I decided 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: I'm going to give up my businesses, sell them all, 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: run for office, run through the United States Senate. Here 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: I am sitting in front of you, six years later saying, 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: who the do you think you were for doing that? 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: It is a total disgrace what. 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 4: You did to this country. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 5: And if my Democratic colleagues are standing there defending you, 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 5: I hope the voters the United States of America watched 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 5: the clips of every one of you doting on a 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 5: guy who was more interested in being a celebrity than 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 5: saving American people. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: So this went well up. Oh that Senator Bernie Moreno 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: of Ohio going at. 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 6: Anthony Fauci, who was called to testify writ subpoena to 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 6: testify in front of committee chaired by by Rand Paul, 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 6: and from Moreno asked you turn around to the people 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 6: behind you, all those doctors, all these people who got 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 6: dismissed and told they couldn't speak and weren't allowed to 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 6: say this, and weren't allowed to do that, and oh 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 6: they got attacked for this, and they got ashamed and 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 6: careers ruined. Would you apologize to them when you got 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 6: anything to say to them? And then of course he 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 6: we edited that up pretty well for you, Tony Katz. 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 6: Tony Katz today, guys, a pleasure to be with you, man, 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 6: oh man, this hearing, and we said this was possible, 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 6: so we kind of called it that Fauci took the fifth. 30 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 6: Fauci took the Now there is a question as to 31 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 6: whether or not he can because he'd already been pardoned. 32 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 6: So I would argue that. 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: Yes, he's able to do this. 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 6: I could, however, be wrong about whether or not there's 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 6: a difference between the courtroom and what you're doing in 36 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 6: front of a congressional hearing. This was the Center Homeland 37 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 6: Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and whether or not he is, 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 6: in the words of Center Ran Paul engaging an obstruction 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 6: of investigation. And for those in the chatroom as we 40 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 6: live stream on YouTube and Rumble and Twitter and Facebook, 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 6: it was one hundred and eleven times. I believe producer 42 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 6: land and kept count. He took off his shoes and 43 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 6: everything to make that happen. Did I say hello, I'm 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 6: Tony Katz to show as Tony kats today. Look for 45 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 6: us on YouTube and rumble, Tony Katz, Twitter, Tony Katz 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 6: and of course Facebook, Tony Katz Radio. This is how 47 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 6: it started, started with Senator Ran Paul just going right 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 6: at it, right at it to Anthony Fauci. Of course, 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 6: this is about COVID and the lies told and the 50 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: release of the information from his from his private diary 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 6: and everything. All this was submitted. He knew he was 52 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 6: lying to us in America. We the people repeatedly did 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 6: it anyway, origins of COVID, mass conversations. 54 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: A litany of things. While he was so. 55 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 6: Impressed with himself all the times he can be on 56 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 6: television lying about shutting down schools. He did it. He 57 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 6: did all of it. He is the one who lied repeatedly. 58 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 6: And this is how Senator Paul, and this is how 59 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 6: he started. 60 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: The conversation. 61 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 7: That the virus arose naturally, while privately he was well 62 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 7: aware of a mountain of evidence suggesting the virus originated 63 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 7: in the lab. 64 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 8: The American people deserve answers. 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 7: The American people deserve to know why dangerous research was 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 7: funded by NIAID in its hotalitarian country in a lab 67 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 7: that lacked acceptable safety standards. The decision to fund dangerous 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 7: gain a function research in Wuhan, China, will likely go 69 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 7: down in history as perhaps one of the worst public 70 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 7: health decisions. Frankly, the American people deserve an apology. I 71 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 7: hope today doctor Fauci will come clean. Admit it was 72 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 7: a mistake to fund dangerous research in China, Admit that 73 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 7: the risk of this dangerous research exceeded any possible benefits. 74 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 7: Ask forgiveness, and pledge to help our government devise safeguards so. 75 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 8: A man made emidemic never happens again. 76 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 7: Instead of an apology, you have for years avoided responsibility 77 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 7: regarding the lockdowns. 78 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 8: You argue that you did not personally. 79 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 7: Issue every lockdown order, close every school, or impose every mandate, 80 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 7: but officials across the country invoked your authority to justify 81 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 7: these decisions, and you presented your recommendations not as judgments 82 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 7: open to debate, but as dictates of science itself. Your 83 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 7: own words demonstrate that you understood the influence you exercised. 84 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 7: On March fourteenth, twenty twenty, you wrote that the task 85 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 7: Force recommendations were driven. 86 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 8: By me, yourself, deb and CDC. 87 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 7: The next day you wrote that you had convinced Mayor 88 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 7: Bill de Blasio to close the New York City schools, 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 7: so you were involved. That same night, Governor Gavin Newsom's 90 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 7: chief of staff told you that the governor had decided 91 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 7: to close California schools, bars, and restaurants after watching you 92 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 7: on television. Presidents, governors, mayors, school boards, corporations, and congress 93 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 7: all bare responsibility for the decisions they made. The COVID lockdown, however, 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 7: could never have been inflicted without you aiding and abetting 95 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 7: the crime. Children lost years of education, Small businesses built 96 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 7: over a lifetime disappeared. Patients delayed cancer screenings and other 97 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 7: medical care. Families were separated from dying relatives. Workers were 98 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 7: ordered to accept a medical procedure or lose their jobs. Worship, assembly, employment, education, 99 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 7: and travel were restricted in the name of science. While 100 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 7: you did not impose every restriction, you used your public 101 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 7: authority to justify them. 102 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 8: While you concluded. 103 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 7: Publicly that COVID occurred naturally, your private record tells a 104 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 7: different story. In early twenty twenty, your handpicked virologists warned 105 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 7: that the virus. 106 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 8: Appeared to have been manipulated in the lab. 107 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 7: In a conference call concerning the origin of the virus 108 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 7: all but to the participants believed deliberate insertion was possible. 109 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 8: Your concern was not merely theoretical. 110 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 7: That same week, you let an urge effort to determine 111 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 7: whether your own agency had funded the research related to 112 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 7: these experiments that were now under suspicion. Hours later, your 113 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 7: assistant reported that the wu want experiments had indeed been 114 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 7: reviewed and approved by the NIH. Those were not the 115 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 7: actions of officials who believe that a research related to 116 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 7: origin was an absurd conspiracy theory. They were the actions 117 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 7: of officials urgently trying to determine whether their agency funding 118 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 7: was connected to the research under discussion. 119 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: Now he's four minutes in, three minutes in. He's not screaming, 120 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 6: he's not yelling. He is just laying it out in totality, 121 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 6: this is what you did. 122 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: You lied. Now. I want that peace right there. 123 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 6: To be held in your head when people bring up 124 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 6: Trump was the president, Why didn't Trump do this? 125 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: Why did' Trump do that? 126 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 6: If you are looking to alleged experts who are not 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 6: sharing with you the full story, how possibly could you 128 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 6: have the complete information. 129 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: I am one of. 130 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: The people who wholeheartedly agrees, wholeheartedly agrees that one of 131 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 6: the worst things we did in the country is we 132 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 6: turned over power of the nation, control of the nation 133 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 6: to unelected doctors, to these health professionals who did not 134 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 6: have the whole of the country's interest in heart because 135 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 6: they don't play that way. They think, of one thing, 136 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 6: here's what the science tells us, But we didn't even 137 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 6: get that. What we got were ideological answers, not medical answers, 138 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 6: and unwillingness to engage all of the data. And then 139 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 6: we of course know that the data we got wasn't complete. 140 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 6: So if I have President Trump president of the United States, 141 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 6: the buck stops there and all that jazz getting incomplete 142 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 6: data false data lies. Can I ask, why can't we say, 143 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 6: of the liar, look what you did. Why can't we 144 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 6: do that? Why can't we say that? Shouldn't we say that? 145 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 6: The answer is, of course we should. In every single 146 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 6: way we should. Donald Trump the president. Yes, why in 147 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 6: the world would anybody support a man like Anthony Fauci 148 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 6: knowing clearly without debate. 149 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: That he lied. 150 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 6: This is part one of the argument. Now part two 151 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 6: of the argument has to go to media, which has 152 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 6: now been seen time and again not to be engaged 153 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 6: in journalism. Don't ask for respect, You're not journalists. You 154 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 6: never looked into Russia, Russia, Russia. You just believed Adam Schiff. 155 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 6: You never looked into Joe Biden's mental decline. You just 156 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 6: believe Krin John Pierre. You never looked into COVID. You 157 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 6: never asked a question, You never talked to the other doctors. 158 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 6: You just believed Anthony Fauci and use that as cover 159 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 6: to be lazy because it was. 160 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: Never about journalism and it was always about narrative. 161 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 6: America has every right to be angry, disgusted, to want 162 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 6: someone's head, but this is the justices. We don't do 163 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 6: that here. You want to engage and just outright violence. 164 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 6: You got to be a member of the Democratic Socialists 165 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 6: of Antifa, of the left. What Senator Ran Paul is 166 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 6: laying out here is clear, is concise. It's focused deckted. 167 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 8: To the pandemic. You could not hide that your agency 168 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 8: had funded. 169 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 7: The Wuhan research, or your long history of defending gain 170 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 7: to function research. The only alternative left was to argue 171 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 7: that COVID nineteen did not originate in the Wuhan lab. 172 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 7: You were not a detached observer. You had an institutional 173 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 7: interest in the public believing that federally funded research had 174 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 7: nothing to do with the band. It was a conflict 175 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 7: of interest. From the very beginning, the authors of the 176 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 7: Proximal Origin of SARS COVID two privately had serious doubts 177 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 7: about a natural origin. Within days, though, they flipped and 178 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 7: they all wrote in Proximal Origin that the virus was 179 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 7: almost certainly not a laboratory construct. 180 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 8: That paper was then used by the government. 181 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 7: And the media and you to discredit Americans who were 182 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 7: asking the same questions that you and the authors were 183 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 7: asking yourselves privately. 184 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 8: You even cited Proximal Origin from the White House podium. 185 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 7: You held it out as evidence that the virus could 186 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 7: not have been engineered, But you didn't disclose your role 187 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 7: and the discussions that preceded the writing of the paper. 188 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 7: You did not disclose the author's original concerns. You did 189 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 7: not concern You did not reveal that you had been 190 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 7: part of the paper, that you had read and offered 191 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 7: editorial comments on the paper before it was published, before 192 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 7: you began using it as evidence that it couldn't have 193 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 7: originated in the lab. 194 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 4: You did not. 195 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 7: Disclose that you had immediately investigated yourself whether NIAID funding 196 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 7: might be connected to the research. 197 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 8: You did not tell the American people the full story. 198 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 8: Douly released private messages indicate. 199 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 7: That the doubts with the authors and others didn't disappear 200 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 7: after the publication. So while this was being waived at 201 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 7: the White House to show that it couldn't come from 202 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 7: the lab, the authors were still privately continuing to sign 203 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 7: a meaningful probability to a laboratory origin. One thing in 204 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 7: public and another in private. Some of the same scientists 205 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 7: discussed avoiding email and carefully managing communications that might eventually 206 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 7: be obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. 207 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 8: The pattern is straightforward. Privately, there was. 208 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 7: Alarm and then an immediate inquiry to see ifiaid's possible 209 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 7: exposure to funding, then a rapid public declaration. 210 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 8: Of certainty, continued private doubt, and then years. 211 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 7: Of resistance disclosure. The question is why, and the only 212 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 7: logical answer is that your primary concern was avoiding culpability. 213 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 7: Your primary concern was hiding the fact that you had 214 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 7: approved the funding for this dangerous research. Your support of 215 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 7: GAINA function research is extensive and long standing. In twenty eleven, 216 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 7: your agency funded ron Fucier's laboratory when it mutated the 217 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 7: Avian flu until it could spread through the air between mammals. Yes, 218 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 7: this was the tipping point. This is when others became worried. 219 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 7: You funded this, You advocated for this. The federal government's 220 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 7: own Biosecurity Board, though recommended withholding the details of these 221 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 7: experiments because of the danger of the research post. People 222 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 7: were concerned that publishing it was publishing a roadmap to 223 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 7: creating bioweapons around the world. But you sided with the 224 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 7: gain of function scientist Fucia and argued that the benefits 225 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 7: of publishing the research far outweighed the risks. 226 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 6: Gain of function research is how you manipulate a virus 227 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 6: to be more well, you could argue more lethal. But 228 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 6: what it's its purpose is how does this virus work 229 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 6: and how can we maneuver and manipulate it? And yes, 230 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 6: the United States funded the Wuhan Virology lab through a 231 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: group called EcoHealth Alliance and man by name of it, 232 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 6: Peter Dasik das Zak. That happened. We have this data, 233 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 6: We know this to be factual. This is worthy discussion. 234 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 6: Never mind, should we be funding gain of function research 235 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 6: as a whole Why would anybody think it's okay to 236 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 6: fund gain of function research in China? 237 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: How could anyone think this okay? 238 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 6: The wet market is about certain parts of China culture, 239 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 6: and all this came from a bat in a wet market. 240 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 6: I don't know how you how else would I describe 241 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 6: what a wet market is? Think of it as a 242 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: market where people buy food. That there was no way 243 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 6: this was person a person. This came from the animal kingdom. 244 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 6: They knew early on that wasn't the case. We're talking 245 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 6: about January through March of twenty twenty, yet they continue 246 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 6: to push that lie. So we have an other subject 247 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 6: that's worthy of discussion here. And no matter how many 248 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 6: people want to scream and yell that we shouldn't be 249 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: talking about that, that this is old news, why does this 250 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 6: any of this matter? We're told that we've got a 251 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,359 Speaker 6: problem having faith in our institutions. 252 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: Well, no crap, how. 253 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 6: Could you have faith in an institution that lies. That's 254 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 6: what Anthony Fauci did, and that's what the NIH did, 255 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 6: and that's what the CDC did. Because it's all connected. 256 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 6: And Anthony Fauci, upon hearing this, the data from his 257 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 6: his diaries and other papers, clearly showing the lies. He 258 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 6: then took to the microphone and said, completing the fifth, 259 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 6: which is strange because he's already gotten a pardon, which well, 260 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 6: that pardon shouldn't be. 261 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: I've got a lot more. 262 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 6: To get to, including major Mike lyons what's going on 263 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 6: in Iran as they try to hit US bases in Jordan? 264 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 6: On Tony Katz, this is Tony Kats today, Puick update 265 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 6: on a story about a Wisconsin brewery. There was a 266 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 6: guy who owns a brewery in Wisconsin and this is 267 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 6: the Minoqua Brewing Company and the owner there, remember, they 268 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 6: used to spread these rumors and they still will or 269 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 6: we haven't seen Trump for three days, always sick, alw 270 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 6: he's dead. They did that one about six months ago, 271 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 6: maybe it was a little bit longer. Tony Katz, it's me, 272 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 6: by the way, Tony Kats today. An absolute pleasure to 273 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 6: be with you. And people would push these rumors that 274 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 6: Trump was sick or Trump was dead, they haven't seen 275 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 6: him for three days. And the guy who owns this brewery, 276 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 6: Kirk Bengstad, he had put out a promotion that said 277 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 6: free beer when Trump dies, stylin absolutely good, good, work 278 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 6: you are. That's the kind of thing we want in America. 279 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 6: This was one of the things. 280 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: This is the. 281 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 6: Stuff you know that the people of the death wish. 282 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: It's horrifyingly gross. And now they've had their permit to 283 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 6: operate in the state revoked by state officials. This guy 284 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 6: is going to fight it. They took away his license. 285 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 6: The Wisconsin Division of Alcohol Beverage of Alcohol Beverages Sorry, 286 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 6: It's dedicated to the fair and consistent enforcement of alcohol 287 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 6: regulations in Wisconsin. The Division is required to follow and 288 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 6: implement state law, including ensuring permit holders and licensees follow 289 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 6: all applicable laws and regulations. 290 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: We can confirm that Department of. 291 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 6: Revenue is issued a notice of a brewer's permit revocation 292 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 6: for two Monoco Brewing Company locations and notice of an 293 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 6: Alcohol Beverage Warehouse permit revocation for one location. The business 294 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 6: has until August fourth to appeal and can operate during 295 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 6: the appeal. Propit says, should the business decide to appeal, 296 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 6: the next step would be to appeal to Secuary, to 297 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 6: the test Secretary Department of Revenue, who will assign the 298 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 6: appeal and onward and upward. I don't actually know if 299 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 6: a statement as disgusting as the owners leads to a revocation, 300 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 6: it could have something to do with the fact that 301 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 6: licensing has certain requirements. 302 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: And this is a violation. There's going to be an appeal. 303 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: There's gonna be a story to watch. 304 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 6: Major Mikelon's good to be which that's with us next, 305 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: I'm Tony Katz. 306 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: So we're told by the President of the United States that. 307 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 6: Iran wants to make a deal. They always want to 308 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 6: make a deal. You can never ever count them out. 309 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 6: They want to make a deal. As the President once 310 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 6: said it was in a post on Twitter years ago. 311 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 6: Iran never won a war, never lost a negotiation. This 312 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 6: is who they are. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, great to. 313 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: Be with you. 314 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 6: For days, we have not engaged at a bombing raid 315 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 6: on Iran. They're asking us not to. They're begging to 316 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 6: make a deal. We're talking at the highest levels. It 317 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 6: was Ambassador to the UN Mike Waltz saying things are 318 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 6: going well. 319 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 3: And then last night it was Sentcom that announced that 320 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: the Iranian regime lobbed missiles. 321 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 6: At a US base at five forty five pm Eastern time. 322 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 6: The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Core forces launched multiple ballistic missiles 323 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 6: from Iran in an attempted surprise attack on US forces 324 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 6: based in the Middle East. All Iranian missiles were successfully intercepted. 325 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 6: US forces remained vigilant and at a high state of readiness. 326 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 6: I don't know how anything is a surprise from the 327 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 6: Iranians at this moment. Major Mike Lyons joined US right 328 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: now retired United States Army military analyst west point Man. 329 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: Let's start with the basic serp. 330 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 6: What is it that the Iranians attempted to do yesterday evening? 331 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: I think they sent a couple of messages. 332 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 9: They sent The first one was that they still have 333 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 9: capability in order to fire a few missiles at you know, 334 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 9: not at scale, but a few missiles at precise targets. 335 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 9: I mean, getting likely intel from China or from Russia 336 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 9: or somebody else. I think that they're getting held from somebody. 337 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 9: And they did it during the funeral for Lindsey Graham, 338 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 9: which again sends another message to the President. The United 339 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 9: States did not decide to attack Iran when they were 340 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 9: having their funeral for coleman A. So you know, it 341 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 9: just shows you the people that we're dealing with, and 342 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 9: you know we still you know, reading INSTU Study of 343 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 9: War this morning was interesting because they brought up the 344 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 9: different factions that are existing in Iran right now. 345 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 4: And there are factions there that want to make a 346 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: deal with the US. 347 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 9: They don't want to get bombed into submission, and they're 348 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 9: trying to do something. But the IRGC and some of 349 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 9: the hardliners still have decentralized that those military assets, and 350 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 9: they still have capability that can reach out and strike Jordan, 351 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 9: Saudi Arabia, Kuwi and those Gulf states that are there 352 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 9: and potentially target US assets in the region. 353 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 6: So as we look at what they did this bombing, 354 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 6: and you talk about capability, and I agree with you, 355 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 6: that is something to note that they still have the missiles, 356 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 6: but in doing so they let us. 357 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: Know that they can. 358 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 6: Is that as a matter of strategy, one doesn't do 359 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 6: something unless they have to do it. 360 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: So there's a question of purpose here. 361 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 6: Was the purpose here to show strength and force to 362 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 6: others within the Iranian leadership or was this a lashing 363 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 6: out they're. 364 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: Working on last gasp. 365 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 6: If they can't get the other nations around them to 366 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 6: push back against the United States, they have nothing and 367 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 6: this is their only way they know to do it. 368 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, this is kind of a win by not losing, right, 369 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 9: They're trying to run the clock out. They're trying to 370 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 9: spike the price of oil again, it was up unfortunately 371 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 9: in the past few days. And they think if they 372 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 9: can put this kind of military pressure on the president 373 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 9: and if one of those missiles got through and we 374 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 9: had casualties. Again, we're seeing reports of casualty rates that 375 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 9: are higher than have been reported before. A Foyer report 376 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 9: made that change recently, and so, you know, again, Ron 377 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 9: is just trying to survive. I you know again, there's 378 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 9: other reports that show that it's working. At the blockade, 379 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 9: plus the sanctions, plus the military strikes are working. 380 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: It's just a matter of time. 381 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 9: If I'd like to see us go back to fourteen 382 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 9: fifteen straight days of continuous military strikes, taking out all 383 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 9: we can and then and then deciding we're going to talk, 384 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 9: then not just get taking a phone call in the 385 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 9: middle of it saying you know, we want to make 386 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 9: a deal. I don't think any deal happens until we 387 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 9: decide that we're going to make a deal. 388 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 6: Talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired in the United States 389 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 6: Army Military analyst Axios in their reporting that that came 390 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 6: out yesterday or was it this morning, saying that the 391 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 6: comic blockade is working very well, that there is talk 392 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 6: that the factions, the terrorist factions has Blahamas, the IERGC 393 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 6: itself are not getting paid, payments have been reduced and 394 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 6: that this is working and to keep that up the pressure. 395 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 6: And one could argue, if that's what's working, you don't 396 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 6: actually need the bombings. So now I take it and 397 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 6: turn it the other way. Does this show that we 398 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 6: need the bombings or can the bombings be more strategic 399 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 6: to where the IRGC is located as opposed to what 400 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 6: we've been doing in the coastal areas. 401 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 9: You know, I think that the military assets accelerate that 402 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 9: process of getting them to the table, and they're just 403 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 9: human nature is involved with that. 404 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think we do need to continuous go 405 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: after them, and. 406 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 9: If anything, if we can use the military to do 407 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 9: nothing more than tease out where some of those mobile 408 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 9: launch units are. For example, right, I think that we 409 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 9: know that they don't have many of them left, and 410 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 9: we know that they have capability to fire and scoot 411 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 9: to kind of shoot, move communicate, and that still is 412 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 9: what those. 413 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: Military targets would be. 414 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 9: So I still believe that we don't declare any kind 415 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 9: of ceasefire until we're confident that there's really virtually a 416 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 9: minimal threat, almost no threat whatsoever to the regional countries 417 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 9: that are. 418 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 4: There, and make sure that they can't do anything more. 419 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 6: We talk about these missiles. You mentioned the idea of 420 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 6: a deal. I'm not somebody who believes the deal can 421 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: be made. There is no one to make a deal with. 422 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: Your point is that there are still factions that can 423 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 6: make deal, that want to make a deal, but we 424 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 6: have these other factions that want to keep fighting. How 425 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 6: does one get the IRGC under control the Islamic Revolutionary 426 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 6: Guard core if in any way other than destroying them, 427 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 6: And can that be done from the air? 428 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I hadn't seen it historically. We've never done 429 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 9: something like this just from the air. And we're not 430 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 9: sending two hundred thousand ground troops to Tehran anytime soon. 431 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 9: But we might not get regime total regime change. But 432 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 9: we've talked about before this idea of regime compliance. What 433 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 9: we have in Venezuela, for example, it is difficult to 434 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 9: say forty seven years there are well in the fabric 435 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 9: and the dye in the communities of everything going on 436 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 9: in Iran right now. But I think the Iranians are 437 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 9: you know, there's other wildcard factors that play here. 438 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: The Turks could factor in. The Kurds. 439 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 9: We still haven't talked about them, their capability if they 440 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 9: decide to invade certain portions of the south. Let's say 441 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 9: they decide to pick up a military mission in southern 442 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 9: in the southern part of Iran and help with the 443 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 9: United States as a ground force. 444 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 4: That would go a long way as well. So that 445 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 4: threatens it. That's there. 446 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 9: And then we also haven't talked about the Ukrainians. I 447 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 9: think that no one you know that we've opened up 448 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 9: another front to the north. The fact that the Ukrainians 449 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 9: can fire missiles at Russian assets a thousand kilometers away 450 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 9: in the Caspian Sea and hit Iranian ships. That is 451 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 9: another really bad signal if you're the Iranians. So now 452 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 9: you've got enemies on three sides. In the south with 453 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 9: the United States, you have them do eastern Israel, and 454 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 9: now you have them to the north with Ukraine. If 455 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 9: they're going to start shooting at Iranian vessels in the 456 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 9: Caspian Sea, so a lot of pressure being still being 457 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 9: put on them militarily. 458 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 6: The Ukraine conversation, the turn there is absolutely amazing. 459 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: We've discussed this in depth. 460 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 6: With their ability to make drones, President Trump seeing a 461 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 6: value in them, They've proven that Zelenski has proven that 462 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 6: he can learn and that he can say listen, I'm 463 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 6: okay with being the tip of the spear here. All 464 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 6: I'm asking is for some help so we can continue 465 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 6: this fight against this aggressor. It's learning from Netanyahu, it's 466 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 6: learning from the Israelis how they have approached the terrorists 467 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 6: and the Islamis throughout the Middle East. 468 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 3: But let's go over three things that you just discussed. 469 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 6: Let's start with the idea of Ukraine hitting from the north. 470 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 6: They want in this so they can further build their 471 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 6: ties closer to the United States. They're taking advantage of 472 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 6: an opportunity, and I don't blame them. It's also helpful 473 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 6: to us. How much have the Russians been helping the 474 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 6: Iranians throughout all this? And can will will it end? 475 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 6: Can the Russians afford to have end? 476 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 9: I think I think it's been ministerial support as I've 477 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 9: as I understand, as I've researched and talked to folks 478 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 9: and looked at it. What I mean by that is 479 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 9: potentially intel. Some of the satellite shots maybe in that regard. 480 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 9: But the bottom line is all the Russian equipment that 481 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 9: the Uranians bought has been destroyed. 482 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 4: Most of it's been destroyed. The air defense system's destroyed. 483 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 9: You're seeing reports, Reuters is reporting this morning that the 484 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 9: Chinese are bringing hundreds of manpads back into into Iran. 485 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 9: They're coming over land somehow. The Chinese are denying it. 486 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 9: But this was a deal that was made a few 487 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 9: months ago, and that was this was part of that 488 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 9: moo that OpEd I had wrote that we can't let 489 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 9: China in the game here. The next MoU has got 490 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 9: to be restrictive about what the Uranians can do about 491 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 9: rebuilding their military and so so. Again, while the Russians 492 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 9: providing ministerial support, that's about it. They're got. They've got 493 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 9: their hands full trying to defend the navy. Again, think 494 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 9: about the Caspian Sea. There's never been a NATO vehicle 495 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 9: inside of that. The Caspian Sea a landlocked sea that 496 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 9: borders around Kazakhstan, Russia. 497 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: All those other countries there. 498 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 9: Russia thought it was a complete safe have and they 499 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 9: could just sit there and lob missiles into Ukraine, use 500 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 9: it as a way to protect crimea and stuff that's over. 501 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 9: He who would have thought five years ago that Ukrainians 502 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 9: would have developed the capability to shoot missiles over a 503 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 9: thousand kilometers and hit naval assets of Russia in the 504 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 9: Caspian Sea. 505 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 6: Not me talking to Major Mike Lions, retired United States 506 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: Army military analyst, just to give a look here of 507 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 6: the Caspian Sea. This is an area where you've got 508 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 6: Ukraine right there. 509 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: Caspian Sea is a far ways away, sir. 510 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 6: But the Caspian Sea Iran is to the south. That 511 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 6: is a long way away to be able to make 512 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 6: a hit as you're discussing. But Ukraine is able to 513 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 6: make that happen now. 514 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and and hit. 515 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 9: So looking at the Iranians sending Shahi drones and sending 516 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 9: some of their technology into Russia, I'm sure Russia is 517 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 9: still pressuring them to do that there those ships are 518 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 9: now vulnerable and so in some ways Lensky comes. 519 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: To d C meets with BB Netanyahu. 520 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 9: You saw that they had a little bit of a 521 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 9: of a glance at each other. And now you know, 522 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 9: as far as I'm concerned, Ukraine has joined this fight. 523 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 6: It was it wasn't it wasn't an aggressive glance. It 524 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 6: was it was a conversation. 525 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, the unspoken words about to combat. You know, leaders here, 526 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 9: I look Zelenski for where it started, for where he 527 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 9: is now is turning out, it's going to go down history. 528 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 9: And as saving that country and getting them he just 529 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 9: fired as defense minister, ready to fire. 530 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 4: He just he's starting to try to. 531 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 9: Put the people around him now that you really trust 532 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 9: to put a deal together. But and I and again 533 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 9: I wouldn't have never said this in the past, but 534 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 9: I'll say it now. I'm more than happy to put 535 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 9: Ukraine into NATO because they will be leading the ed 536 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 9: K clearly the edge of the spear, not only just 537 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 9: on the defense side of things, but just the way 538 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 9: they innovate in their technology alone. Look, they've got licenses 539 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 9: now to make patriots, right, so when they get the 540 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 9: rare rest minerals, they'll have patriots up and running in 541 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 9: six months in that country and we won't have to 542 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 9: sell them a single patriot missile. 543 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 544 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 6: I hate having to disagree with you publicly, but man, 545 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: do I not want Ukraine in NATO at all. We're 546 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 6: going to save that conversation for another day. I only 547 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 6: have about a minute, so I do have a question 548 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 6: about the Kurds and will they need to be armed, 549 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 6: but I'm going to hold that for another day as well. 550 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 6: I want to get into the missiles that were shot 551 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 6: and the idea of surprise was the United States really 552 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 6: caught off guard by missiles heading their way towards Jordan, 553 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 6: towards military bases and American assets, whether it's in Jordan 554 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 6: or other parts of the Middle East. 555 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 9: No, the fact of the matter is they're all intercepted. 556 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 9: If none of them were intercepted, then we'd be caught 557 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 9: off guard. The question is they are coming from higher altitudes, 558 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 9: and it's more difficult to shoot out missiles that are 559 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 9: coming at the hyperstonic speeds from different altitudes, and that's 560 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 9: normally how these attacks go. They come in ways with 561 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 9: drones and different things. So no, but if we. 562 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 4: Were caught off guard, some of those missiles would have 563 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 4: got through. It would have been a disaster. 564 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 9: But again, they're staying on their toes and they're making 565 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 9: sure that their defense platforms are working there. 566 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 6: Major Mike Lyons, retired United States Army military analyst. I 567 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 6: appreciate you taking the time to be with us. We 568 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 6: got a lot more show to get to keep it here. 569 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 6: This is Tony Katz today. 570 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 10: It's not an easy job, but it is because there's 571 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 10: so much at stake in our country. But these public 572 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 10: servants do it because they. 573 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 4: Are in the arena. 574 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 10: I just want to end by just reading a portion 575 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 10: of this because I think it's important as we're thinking 576 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 10: about how to be able to treat public servants through 577 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 10: this country to think through this and in the words 578 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 10: of Teddy Roosevelt saying, it's not the critic who counts. 579 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 10: Not the man who points out how the strong man 580 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 10: stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done 581 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 10: them better. The credit belongs to the man who is 582 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 10: actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust 583 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 10: and sweat and blood, who stry valiantly, who errors, becomes 584 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 10: short again and again, who spends himself in a worthy cause, 585 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 10: who at the best knows in the end the triumphs 586 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 10: of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, 587 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 10: at least he fails while daring greatly. 588 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: What about the man in the arena who lies. 589 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 6: That's Senator Andy Kim, Democrat from New Jersey, praising Anthony Fauci. 590 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 6: What about the man who lies. Anthony Fauci is the 591 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 6: man in the arena. He's got the blood and sweat. 592 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 6: It's other people's blood. That's the argument. Out chorship is weird. 593 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 6: All political worship is weird. Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, 594 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 6: good to be with you. What about all the other 595 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 6: doctors esteemed and lauded and with plenty of credentials, who said, 596 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 6: I don't see it that way. Look at this data, 597 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 6: and look at that data, and look at the other data, 598 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 6: and how people like yourself, Senator dismissed them. They weren't 599 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 6: allowed to seat at the table, they weren't allowed into 600 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 6: the arena. That's the story. We are not praising a 601 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 6: man who did everything he could and got it wrong. 602 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 6: That's not the argument here. Or we're not discrediting a 603 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 6: man who did everything he could and got it wrong. 604 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 6: We're talking about a man who did not do everything 605 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 6: he could because he did not relay the totality of 606 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 6: the story. That is not someone worthy of our praise. 607 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 6: We're not talking about somebody who, once they got the data, 608 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 6: said I was wrong. We have new data, and here's 609 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 6: how we should proceed. He never said he was wrong, 610 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 6: He never admitted to the new data. He said he 611 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 6: was doing one thing while he was doing another thing. 612 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 6: No rational praises that man. No rational person wants their 613 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 6: sons to grow up to be that kind of man. 614 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 6: The argument you make, Senator Kim falls flat. It is nonexistent. 615 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 6: It is another of a great number of gas lightings 616 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 6: that based on political party, people want to push on America. 617 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,479 Speaker 3: Can we stop damage was done? 618 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 6: Let us assess the damage, who caused the damage, and 619 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 6: ensure that it can't happen again. 620 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 3: Why isn't that our focus? And the answer is because 621 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 3: it's more important to be political. 622 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 6: This was the same disgusting stuff that rocked us during COVID. 623 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 6: We're taking this virus or we're making it political. And 624 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 6: now we have the facts about Fauci and the so 625 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 6: called experts, and they're still. 626 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 3: Making it political. Of scene, I'm Tony Kats