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Speaker 1: The shenanigans from the elected people. Case they just they

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Speaker 1: It is the Kennel and Casey Show. Thank you, good morning.

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Speaker 1: If you're a part of this number one rated radio family,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you beyond belief. And if you're a regular

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Speaker 1: listener to this program, one of the things you know

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Speaker 1: entire system of governance is broken. It's yes, there are

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Speaker 1: individual bad actors, and we're going to talk about one

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Speaker 1: system itself in how we govern ourselves in the state

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Speaker 1: of Indiana is completely broken. And the system as is

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Speaker 1: currently created and in place, allows people to pull the

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Speaker 1: sort of shenanigans that this person allegedly pulled over a

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Speaker 1: very long period of time. The system itself should be

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Speaker 1: catching these people. It should not take a decade, it

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Speaker 1: should not take years of bad behavior. And yet, and

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Speaker 1: yet it happens over and over and over again. And

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Speaker 1: then when you look at the lawmakers and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: system kind of sucks, yeah, they go, thank you for

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Speaker 1: talking about here is the local government system, how the

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Speaker 1: How does this keep happening. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: much local government. There's too much local government that's unaccountable.

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Speaker 1: There's too much local government that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: What Ed Delaney laid out the number. He's a Democrats

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Speaker 1: Almost three thousand units of local government. There's no need

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Speaker 1: for that, But there's also no way to possibly properly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, way too many levels and.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps the biggest abuser. I'll look the school corporations. If

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about who's the biggest abuser of

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Speaker 1: irresponsibly spending money, it rests in the school corporation the

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Speaker 2: Wondering about that, is one for jv and once for varsity.

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Speaker 2: What's going on there? I don't know, want a practice field?

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Speaker 2: When's a game field?

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Speaker 1: I challenge somebody right now if you go to the

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Speaker 1: If you were to take a Division two college football

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Speaker 2: Enough, we need more. How are we test scores?

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Speaker 1: We need a second one. Well, in fairness, they are

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Speaker 2: Way's fraud and abuse. Those are some of our favorite words,

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Speaker 1: It's the township governments. Yeah, there's no reason for these

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Speaker 1: According to WTHR and New Werous other media outlets across

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Speaker 2: Small town corruption gone wild. Do you remember those girls

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Speaker 1: Oh, except this guy probably kept his clothes on. Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was using it like his own little personal

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Speaker 1: But I just want to repeat this. It's one million dollars.

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Speaker 1: They can't get to all of them, and they've got

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Speaker 2: Do we know how many employees there are on the

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Speaker 2: State Board of asual?

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Speaker 1: Yea not enough?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, clearly not enough, because this was going on

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Speaker 1: Who's supposed to be looking at this and catching it,

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Speaker 1: like the board the board that oversees this. What are

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Speaker 1: could you explain the blah blah blah. It took an

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Speaker 2: So the guy the township trustee, he is the township

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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars on travel, traveling to wear you're a

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Speaker 2: township trustee by New Zealand, Germany Disney, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is marijuana again, like I said. WTHR, amongst

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Speaker 1: the system never gets fixed because this stuff, this layer

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Speaker 1: of government exists. Township governments in eighteen sixty seven probably

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Speaker 1: served a purpose. Now you know what. The purpose they

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Speaker 1: That's the primary focus of township government now is to

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Speaker 1: And this is the stuff that is taking place inside

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Speaker 1: And you know why, because that's who they fear. They

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Speaker 1: the board people, and so as a result, you keep

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Speaker 2: It's just another example of bloated bureaucracy. One of my

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Speaker 2: favorite statistics in all of this story, only nine percent

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Speaker 1: And then when you get told, hey, maybe we should

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Speaker 1: do something about that, the General Assembly, Governor Braun, They're like,

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Speaker 1: they're there, Who wasn't. Our friend Monica Boyer, who is

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Speaker 1: he just straight up said, we're done with property taxes.

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Speaker 2: Done with property taxes. But I thought Governor Braun had

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Speaker 1: Ron and beck With both said oh, we're coming back

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Speaker 1: for more next year. Well, Casey, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know how the government works. It takes action by

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Speaker 1: there's no veto from the governor because Bron said that's pointless.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what I was wondering. Can the governor

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Speaker 2: holcome did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So just have it's shutting down, the shutting down

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Speaker 2: Right, Governor Bron now have this authority because he told

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Speaker 2: the group of people that yeah, they were gonna come

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Speaker 2: the Senator, no, they're done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the question to Braun and to Micah is

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Speaker 1: back for? And you should probably get your selling shoes

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Speaker 1: because the Senate says, we ain't doing nothing.

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Speaker 2: So big or small government waste corruption, they are real

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Speaker 2: and it's always at your expense. So we've got to

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Speaker 1: And we are going to have a story. At least

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Speaker 1: what appears to be pretty serious actions taken by a

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Speaker 1: and somebody's going forward with it. Think about the ones

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Speaker 2: We've got to talk about this weather And also the

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Speaker 2: passing of Ozzy Osbourne yesterday. A lot of people very

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Speaker 2: upset about that. It is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety

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Speaker 2: three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: So that's what the bossy. The other one was kind

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Speaker 1: of weird, right, because he just had that big farewell concert.

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Speaker 2: Well. I think he knew that his time was limited,

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Speaker 2: and I saw an interview with him and he actually

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Speaker 2: was with his daughter and his daughter had said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was like he knew and he wanted the chance

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Speaker 2: to say goodbye to his fans. So he had worked

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Speaker 2: really hard, he went through rehabilitation so that he would

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Speaker 2: and have that concert. And what a way to go,

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Speaker 2: like if you're in the public eye and you're a musician,

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Speaker 2: to be able to have one last concert with all

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Speaker 1: It is all right Forgoto. Let's I want to hit

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Speaker 2: It seemed like an act. He was somewhat political at times.

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Speaker 1: Hey, she tweet about Epstein. She hady bey to release

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Speaker 1: the Epstein? How about that? How about that? Victoria? Oh

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Speaker 2: We've got Jim Merrett who's going to join us next.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to talk money with him? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So the State boy, they can't really give you a

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Speaker 2: It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three w IBC.

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Speaker 3: Hot So we taped the State House Happenings podcast earlier today,

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Speaker 3: Casey fantastic show.

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Speaker 2: Remind everybody went it.

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Speaker 1: Airs Sunday Mornings WIBC feature new Jim Merritt and Abduel

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Speaker 1: and we're just a couple of cackling hens that take

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Speaker 1: a look back at the week that was in Indiana

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Speaker 1: politics and government. Also availble via podcast. We share that

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Speaker 1: in on the WIBC social media, my social media and

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Speaker 1: our BS detector went up on the State House Happenings podcast,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you were in the red, well we did.

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Speaker 1: We were already fired up because we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Jim Merritt. I'm not sure everybody wants the whole story.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Okay, at least Nachella. She's the comptroller for

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Speaker 1: the state, which means she disseminates the money, right, That's

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Speaker 1: exactly right, all right. So she did this big press

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Speaker 1: So let's not act like that's our money that they're

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Speaker 1: like forty days worth of reserves. And they're always so

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Speaker 1: it's we know.

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Speaker 4: I think our audience knows that when you budget in

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Speaker 1: And if you recall back on April.

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Speaker 4: Fifteenth, the legislature was in paralysis because the economic picture

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Speaker 1: Now, we said that for several months on this program. Yes,

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Speaker 1: then there's all these budget teams. The legislator is a

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Speaker 1: it that Casey and I Casey far smarter than I.

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Speaker 1: Of course, how could we see that and all the

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Speaker 2: That are like, well, no one saw that coming last minute,

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Speaker 4: The only the only thing we saw coming was high

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Speaker 4: And so the State of Indiana citizens who pay attention

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Speaker 1: They should hire us. Yes, of course, of course. Basically

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Speaker 1: we are the silver bullet that the State of Indiana

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Speaker 2: You were ignored.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Braun is in the mood to hire

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Speaker 4: A duel deals with this in a cheat sheet report

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Speaker 4: inside the Indiana budget, where they traditionally withhold two percent

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Speaker 4: of an agency budget. Now they're withholding five percent. This

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Speaker 4: is not exactly real budgeting where you have a real

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Speaker 4: snapshot on exactly what you're going to spend in the

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Speaker 4: state government for the next two years.

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Speaker 1: And I'm fogging it over because well, because it's too complex.

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Speaker 1: So my one all this is she comes out the

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Speaker 1: comptroller and is basically like, well, we have two and

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Speaker 1: a half billion dollars in the bank. And so I

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Speaker 1: posed the question, well, wait a second, if we're doing

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Speaker 1: just fine and everyone's on track, why did we have

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Speaker 1: this doomsday scenario thing and have to raise the taxes

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Speaker 1: and a dual Basically, they said, yeah, that's some pretty

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Speaker 1: creative accounting they're coming up with to try to let

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Speaker 4: In my career, when we were in recession, at times

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Speaker 4: we actually withheld money from school corporations. We know that

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Speaker 4: school corporations.

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Speaker 1: Should have withheld more. Why'd you stop?

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Speaker 4: Well, at that time was fifty five or sixty percent

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Speaker 4: of the of the of the of the General Assembly

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Speaker 4: the Indiana budget, and so we played games with the

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Speaker 4: school corporations with funding them, and they got their money eventually,

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Speaker 4: but these these games, these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you hadn't given it to the Brownsburg and I

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Speaker 1: might not have been able to build that second football

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Speaker 1: field they just built. I bet you feel horrible about that.

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Speaker 4: What my point is is the the creative accounting by

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Speaker 4: the government, by the state government has happened before. And

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Speaker 4: what we hope is that what stunned the legislature with

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Speaker 4: this economic forecast on April fifteenth is Liberation Day with

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Speaker 4: the with the tariffs, the stock market taxes from the

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Speaker 4: federal government and all the with Doge really put them

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Speaker 4: into into a creative mass of confusion in April fifteenth,

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Speaker 4: and they pass a budget with the higher versions. They

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Speaker 4: pass a budget with the idea that they're going to

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Speaker 4: raise tobacco taxes. And now now on July first, you

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Speaker 4: have a kind of a sunny disposition about the coming

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Speaker 4: budget with creative budgeting.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jim, So, Indiana holds the top tier triple

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Speaker 2: A rating for all three major credit agencies. How important

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Speaker 2: is that on a state level, Well, it's.

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Speaker 4: It's it's absolutely imperative because of the idea of bonding

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Speaker 4: and the whole idea of Wall Street. Looking at the

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Speaker 4: state of Indiana, a triple A bond rating is terrific,

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Speaker 4: and especially with some perceived idea that we have storm

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Speaker 4: clouds on the future on the on the future part

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Speaker 4: of our budget.

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Speaker 1: But but our audience needs to know.

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Speaker 4: The Indian General Assembly, the state government, the Governor's office

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Speaker 4: all have they're they're looking at it, maybe not a

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Speaker 4: daily but a weekly idea. What the what the revenues

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Speaker 4: are and and and we need to know that May

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Speaker 4: is a big month for revenue for the state government

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Speaker 4: because April fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's help me out on it. Yeah, I'm getting blurriy.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you're not. It's it is

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing that's problem. This is why we're

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Speaker 1: number one. We make this fun for people. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's separate it out, all right. So I feel like

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Speaker 1: our state government feels about the federal government too. But

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Speaker 1: it's just a giant Saturday Night Live skit. Like I

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Speaker 1: feel like they're characters on a Saturday Night Live skit.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sick of hearing what a great business guy

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Speaker 1: Braun is clearly not when it relates to government. He

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Speaker 1: might have made money in the private sector, but he

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Speaker 1: had to take a billion dollars from people to pay

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Speaker 1: his bills. He couldn't do that in his business. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sick of hearing that. The Democrats, it's always the

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Speaker 1: same stuff about the poor and the indigent and the

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Speaker 1: singing orphans at the school system are getting screwed over.

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Speaker 1: It's always just the same routine with them. The average

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Speaker 1: rank and file General Assembly guy, if you would ask

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Speaker 1: him or her about it, they just go, we're a

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Speaker 1: state that works. My question is, if we're so damn

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Speaker 1: good at managing money and tax policy, and we have

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Speaker 1: all these businesses that are coming here and all these

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Speaker 1: people investing all this money, why can't we get the

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Speaker 1: physical situation figured out? Well, it's it's.

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Speaker 4: You're playing chess. And you've heard me say on this

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Speaker 4: show they're playing chess. Yes they are, because they have

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Speaker 4: no idea what is going to happen in the future.

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Speaker 4: Nine to eleven happens in two thousand and one, and

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Speaker 4: that every odd year is a budget year that threw

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Speaker 4: our budget into just the toilet.

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Speaker 1: We didn't if we had the nine to eleven gym guy.

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Speaker 1: This guy's you guys, I don't know were you there?

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Speaker 1: Can I scream at you about this? I think you

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Speaker 1: were gone by that. They had all that money, six

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. They spent it down to a number to

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Speaker 1: try to keep people from getting any money back. Then

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Speaker 1: they changed the law by which they give the people

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Speaker 1: the money back because they didn't want you to get

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Speaker 1: the money back. And now they look around and go, well,

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Speaker 1: our surplus is fine. Well then why do you have

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Speaker 1: to raise taxes? Well, look at our surplus. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: None of this makes any sense.

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Speaker 4: Well, you you're you're talking about the tax refund that

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Speaker 4: governor then Governor Mitch Daniels wanted to give back money

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Speaker 4: if we reached a certain point of revenue and and

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Speaker 4: uh and you're talking about really four or five years ago.

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Speaker 4: I think that they thought that it was going to

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Speaker 4: uh come into into play when all the money came

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Speaker 4: in spend it. Yeah, all the money came in from

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Speaker 4: the federal government because of COVID and uh and and

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Speaker 4: and they they spent it down.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They they they they budgeted four hundred million dollars for

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Speaker 4: a new prison up in northwest Indiana for example.

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Speaker 1: We're fighting COVID with the new prison.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there was just a there was an incredible

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Speaker 4: amount of uh. It was just a gushing of money

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Speaker 4: coming in from the federal government and they have no money. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: now they don't, and so for the people listening to us,

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Speaker 4: it is confusing. It's confusing for the legislators themselves.

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Speaker 1: I bet that's the biggest problem, right. The dope's making

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Speaker 1: the choices don't know what they're doing. Let's just say it, Merret,

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Speaker 1: that should be the slogan of this program. The dopees

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Speaker 1: making the choices don't know what they're doing. Find him

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jim, you're so nice to mars like,

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Speaker 1: do you listen to our show? Im so mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, all right, Jim Meritt, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's Kenney Casey on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: The headline is great. Fox News. Actor Jeff Daniel still

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Speaker 1: mourns Kamala Harris's twenty twenty four loss. It's in a

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Speaker 1: year he's mourning. He still mourns it still morning. The

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Speaker 1: country was on such a strong path under President mush

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Speaker 1: Brain and his wacky assistant. I mourn the loss. All right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: real quick, I did see you'd posted this, and then

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Speaker 1: I'd seen Rand Paul had postes. Ron Paul is getting

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Speaker 1: ready to turn ninety years old.

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Speaker 2: Ninety years old, So Rand Paul said, if you're one

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Speaker 2: of the millions who admire him, please send a carter

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Speaker 2: note to the following address. And then he put a

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Speaker 2: po box out there for anybody who wants to send something.

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Speaker 1: Ron Paul is a fascinating figure in the history of

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Speaker 1: American politics in the sense that he was sort of

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Speaker 1: the leader of the modern day I say libertarian. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it with a capital L, even though he

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Speaker 1: has been a libertarian at various times, but sort of

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Speaker 1: the libertarian thinking inside of the Republican Party. And there

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Speaker 1: is clearly a strong divide now amongst the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: about what government should be and how we should think

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Speaker 1: about it. And I think Ron Paul was in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and into the nineties sort of the lone

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Speaker 1: voice on that that is now becoming more and more

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Speaker 1: mainstream inside of the Republican Party. And he inspired a

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Speaker 1: lot of people to get off the sidelines and get

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Speaker 1: into the game and think different. I put myself in

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Speaker 1: that class of one of the people that saw him

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Speaker 1: and thought this is interesting, this is an interesting way

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Speaker 1: to think about things and make you want to be

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Speaker 1: involved and try to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: You run for president?

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Speaker 1: Was it eight times? Eight and twenty twelve, so yes,

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Speaker 1: you can send him a birthday card. Rand Paul has

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Speaker 1: posted all the pertinent information on social media.

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Speaker 2: We don't like.

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Speaker 1: Po boxes on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Kennel and Casey as ninety three WIBC