WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jason Cabinda Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>ACC fans, you hear him on the CW on a

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<v Speaker 1>game that we like to call the Wes Bryant Game

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<v Speaker 1>of the Week because Wes is our co-worker. But our

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<v Speaker 1>next guest is there as well with Tom Brenneman and Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Jason Cabinda, fresh off a trip to Raleigh

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<v Speaker 1>for a big win for the Deacs. And he joins

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<v Speaker 1>us on the Mac and Bone Show. Hey, Jason, how

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<v Speaker 1>you doing, man? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>How are we doing, brother? Appreciate you guys having me

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, man.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, man? Appreciate you being here, man. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the Wake and State game. My Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>Wake took over that game in the second half, outscored

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<v Speaker 1>them 28-0 in the second half. What was the difference?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when Bailey was cooking 16-16 early, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>might be a special day for State.

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<v Speaker 3>What was Wake able to do to turn the tide?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you what, I thought the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Wake was down 14-7, and then Gio Lopez

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<v Speaker 2>just took over that football game. Not only Gio Lopez,

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<v Speaker 2>but that Wake Forest defensive line. I mean, Langston Hardy,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Lovicin, I mean, those guys, the twist game, the

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<v Speaker 2>winning the one-on-ones. In the pass rush, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>were just peppering Bailey the whole rest of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Once it became six minutes in the second quarter, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they turned it on.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason, Wake Forest, we know, is not an easy place

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<v Speaker 4>to win, but Jake Dickert so far has made it

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<v Speaker 4>look like an easy place to win. From being around

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<v Speaker 4>the program and what you see from Jake Dickert so far,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you think makes him such a good match

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<v Speaker 4>for that Wake program right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just think, you know, the way he's able to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, consistently fight complacency, you know, they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>satisfied over there. I think, you know, winning has become

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<v Speaker 2>an expectation over there for him. But, I mean, they work.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these guys work. And I think just the

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<v Speaker 2>mindset that he brings to these guys and the way

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<v Speaker 2>he coaches, the way he cares about his players, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is going to be very difficult for, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of organizations not to be, you know, knocking

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<v Speaker 2>on that front door looking for Jake Dickert because, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 3>No doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the other side, you have Dave Doran. He

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<v Speaker 1>state fans are they're back after him again. And they've

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<v Speaker 1>had this horrible trend this season of playing well in

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<v Speaker 1>the first half. And then in the second half, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of falling apart, giving up leads, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the two in the games they won against App State

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<v Speaker 1>in Louisville. What's your feelings about Dave Doran? And do

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<v Speaker 1>you blame state fans for feeling like after all these years,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's time for a change?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it's hard to say because, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at games like, especially the Vanderbilt game, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the debacle at the end of the game and

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<v Speaker 2>they lose that one. And then, you know, coming into

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<v Speaker 2>the season, you have a ton of hype about C.J.

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<v Speaker 2>Bailey and rightfully so, you know, he's a big quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>with a big arm. He's mobile. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things that, you know, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>like about this team, but it just seems like when

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<v Speaker 2>crunch time comes on or when the pressure is on

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<v Speaker 2>in these games, you It seems as if they fold

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't keep their heads very well. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I see those kinds of trends on a football team,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's hard not to look at the coaching. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>will I say, you know, people are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>asking for his head at the end of the season

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that? You know, I don't know. But,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I will say it is a talented football team. And,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you look at, you know, they went and

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<v Speaker 2>had that heartbreak loss to Vandy. Then the very next

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<v Speaker 2>week they go and beat Louisville. Then, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>playing against Wake. They're playing really well. They're up 14-7.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, you know, they just kind of break down

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<v Speaker 2>and then can't get it going offensively anymore. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just think they're a very hot and cold team, and

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<v Speaker 2>they need to find a consistent level of play.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking to Jason Cabinda of the CW here on

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<v Speaker 4>the Mac and Bone radio show. While you guys were

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<v Speaker 4>doing that Wake State game the other day, UNC was

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<v Speaker 4>getting a big road win at Pittsburgh. Jason, there are

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<v Speaker 4>certain wins we look at as– you know, big wins

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<v Speaker 4>for the season, and then there are big wins for

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<v Speaker 4>the program. How huge was that for UNC to get

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<v Speaker 4>that win at Pittsburgh for the long haul?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that is huge. I mean, I cannot, I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot overstate it enough. Not only is that win huge

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<v Speaker 2>against an undefeated, well, what was an undefeated Pittsburgh team,

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<v Speaker 2>But just all the drama surrounding the program and all

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<v Speaker 2>the things that they got going on, you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>them to be able to silence the noise, for Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick to be able to keep these guys focused and not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lose any morale or be distracted and to

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<v Speaker 2>still go out there and execute at a high level,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that had to have been the most I

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<v Speaker 2>had seen Bill Belichick kind of laughing and cracking a

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<v Speaker 2>smile when he did that pregame interview, and that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of when I knew, okay, Bill must know something because

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<v Speaker 2>he's normally not this happy and giddy and talking right

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<v Speaker 2>before a game. So that's when I knew he must

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<v Speaker 2>have had something cooking up for that Pittsburgh game, and

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<v Speaker 2>they went out there and they showed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, he was even chatty during the in-game interview

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half. I don't know how that happened either. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he must have felt good. And we'll see what they

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<v Speaker 1>do moving forward. They got Duke this week. Duke's coming

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<v Speaker 1>off a loss to Georgia Tech. Do you think, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this question is another kind of Wake Forest question,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe your answer is someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'll interject.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now starting to think Wake is the second best

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<v Speaker 1>team in the ACC behind Miami.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you agree, or would you point to someone else?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got them right up there with SMU.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think SMU is still a good football team.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like their defense. I think they've regressed a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit offensively just from a standpoint of turnovers and penalties.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you can clean that stuff up. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>it starts with Kevin Jennings. You know, even a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was a quarterback who threw the most

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<v Speaker 2>interceptions in the league. They're a damn good passing offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Lashley does a great job over there calling the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be right up there between Wake Forest and

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<v Speaker 2>SMU to me the way I see it. Obviously, Pitt

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<v Speaker 2>lost a quarterback, and that was a big loss for them. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think they're kind of neck and neck right

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<v Speaker 2>now fighting for that number two spot. And then obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Duke, I know they lost to Georgia tech

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<v Speaker 2>as well, but going into, you know, that game, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were up there as well. Um, obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>think that only played one conference game, uh, going into

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<v Speaker 2>that Georgia tech game. So we'll see how this thing

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<v Speaker 2>continues to develop. But I mean, I think it's waking

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<v Speaker 2>SMU right up there, neck and neck.

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<v Speaker 4>I was exploring the world of Jason Cabinda on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 4>at Jason Cabinda. It's also got the link to your

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube page as well for film breakdowns. You also do

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<v Speaker 4>NFL work as well, NFL Network, Good Morning Football. When

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<v Speaker 4>I was scrolling down to one of your videos, Jason,

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<v Speaker 4>lo and behold, I see you're talking about Bryce Young

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<v Speaker 4>in comparisons to Patrick Mahomes. What have you seen from

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<v Speaker 4>Bryce Young so far this year, and what would that

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<v Speaker 4>comparison be in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>To my hopes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, the, the, the, The original discussion was

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<v Speaker 2>really like, hey, you know, do you throw a rookie

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback directly into the fire or do you let him,

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<v Speaker 2>like a Patrick Mahomes, sit behind a veteran and allow

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<v Speaker 2>him to develop until he's ready? You know, which would

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<v Speaker 2>you prefer? And we were talking about Fernando Mendoza as well,

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<v Speaker 2>who's in the same situation sitting behind Kirk Cousins. But obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce was thrown into the fire. You know, he gets benched.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Dalton comes in, doesn't perform as well. Bryce or no,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets hurt. And then Bryce is able to come

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<v Speaker 2>back in. And I mean, to see the resurgence of

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<v Speaker 2>Bryce Young and to start to see what we saw

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<v Speaker 2>at Alabama, that Steph Curry release, the ability to have

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<v Speaker 2>such great pocket presence, get out of the pocket, throw

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<v Speaker 2>it on the run. I just think he's playing with

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<v Speaker 2>a high level of confidence right now. And I think...

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<v Speaker 2>The entire Carolina fan base is really rallying behind them

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<v Speaker 2>right now, as they should. I mean, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at that win against the Detroit Lions, I know that's

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<v Speaker 2>not a great defense, but if you look at that

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<v Speaker 2>win against Detroit Lions and the way he was methodical

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<v Speaker 2>in those drives to come back and win that game,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that speaks a lot to this kid's character,

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<v Speaker 2>to this kid's resilience, and really just his talent. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll also say this. It's not easy in the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>when you've lost your confidence to bounce back from that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that really, really... speaks to this kid's

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<v Speaker 2>character and his ability to just keep his head down

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<v Speaker 2>and to keep working and to keep going. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>a trait that you really need in the NFL, especially

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<v Speaker 2>at the quarterback position. The ability to be even-keeled at

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<v Speaker 2>all times and to stay in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>ebb and flows of the emotional ups and downs of

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<v Speaker 2>the league. So I give this kid a lot of credit, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the Carolina Panthers... Right now, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to be excited about.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely. I got goosebumps right there. I love it, man.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Jason, I do have a question, though.

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<v Speaker 1>We were joking when we brought you on that we

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<v Speaker 1>call the game you do each week the Wes Bryant

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<v Speaker 1>Game of the Week because we work with Wes here

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<v Speaker 1>at WFNZ in Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've noticed something.

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<v Speaker 1>Does Wes pay Tom Brenneman to be his hype man?

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<v Speaker 3>Because Bone and I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>He is always, always hyping up that big man at

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle for the demon Deacons.

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<v Speaker 3>He really hypes up West. Is there a deal there, Jason?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, there's no deal, man. That's just, Hey, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>the crew of the chemistry, brother. I mean, Wes does

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<v Speaker 2>a great job. He does a great job for us, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And doing his research, having his storylines ready for the game.

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<v Speaker 2>And he does a great job getting to know the

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<v Speaker 2>players and coaches throughout the week to have, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some awesome tidbits for the show, man. So Wes, Wes

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<v Speaker 2>is freaking awesome, man. I'm really enjoying, you know, working

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<v Speaker 2>with him and working with Tom. It's been a blast

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<v Speaker 2>so far.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good crew, man. Keep up the good work.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all got Virginia SMU coming up, which is a big

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<v Speaker 1>one coming up this week.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, man, be good. And thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys. We appreciate you.