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Speaker 1: There is a ton of college basketball to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to talking about a ton of

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Speaker 1: college basketball, there is nobody better to do it that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to get right off the top with the

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Speaker 1: tournament pairings and the Butler News and everything else than

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Speaker 1: Mike Decursi of the Sporting News and the Big Ten Network,

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Speaker 1: as I always say, the dean of college basketball writers.

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Speaker 1: And he joins us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee

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Speaker 1: guest line, Mike, bottom line, it basically is Christmas season. Man,

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Speaker 1: here it is and you are you are literally Chris

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Speaker 1: Kringle right here on the radio program. Awesome time of year.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am, well, Jake.

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Speaker 3: But you know the difference is that after Santa Claus

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Speaker 3: delivers all the presents, he gets to put his feed

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Speaker 3: up for the next three hundred days, and I'm still

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Speaker 3: working for the next month at least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That is a good point. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the whole month is fun. And like I said, Mike,

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Speaker 1: it's always funny to me whenever one shining moment comes on.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. Whenever I watch one shining

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Speaker 1: moment at the end of the tournament, it's very melancholic.

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Speaker 1: To me because you're seeing the it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: tournaments of yesteryear and people we've lost and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds over dramatic, but it's also interesting

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Speaker 1: how in three weeks when we know who the national

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Speaker 1: champion is going to be, today feels like at that

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Speaker 1: much happens over the course of this tournament, which is

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Speaker 3: Well, you said overly dramatic, but it's really not, and

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Speaker 3: it's really poigning in this particular tournament because there are

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Speaker 3: two teams, Kennesaw State and South Florida that were coached

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Speaker 3: by a young man named Amir Abdur Raheem, brother of

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Speaker 3: Amir was a rising star in coaching, and he coached

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Speaker 3: under him, and he passed away very suddenly last year,

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Speaker 3: and so to have both of those teams in this

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Speaker 3: fear so soon after we lost him is exactly what

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Speaker 1: And he was very highly I mean he was really

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Speaker 1: highly thought of, right, not just as he was as

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Speaker 2: He was a guy, right, yeah, wonderful person.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the American Conference has now

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Speaker 3: And he was a guy who was going to be

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Speaker 3: be a question of taking the time to make the

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Speaker 3: right move, the one that would fit him best, the

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Speaker 3: one that was set up for success, not just the

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Speaker 3: first big paycheck. I think that the coaches sometimes make

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Speaker 3: of those contracts with those huge buyouts that the eighties

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Speaker 1: So Mike one of the players is that Mike de

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Speaker 1: course he is my guest. It was not a buyout,

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Speaker 1: but rather a retirement. But we know now to lead

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Speaker 1: I guess just assessment of Fad in his career and

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Speaker 3: I think that first of all, Sad when he left

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Speaker 2: At that point, I knew well of his health issues.

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Speaker 3: I've known Sad for twenty five years now, always have

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Speaker 3: Sad in his very short time he said his experience

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Speaker 2: We can be a little better than that. We can

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Speaker 3: And then ultimately Brad took it to where it went

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Speaker 3: and that got them all the way from the Horizon.

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Speaker 3: And so when he retired or resigned or whatever we

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Speaker 2: He fought through it at Butler, but it just he.

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Speaker 3: Just didn't have the same gun, the same juice that

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Speaker 3: but they just needed more.

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Speaker 2: And I probably wasn't the era, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: For him to be trying to push that rock up

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Speaker 3: of that. And I think that really the first thing

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Speaker 3: that every program like Butler that has not yet been

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Speaker 3: from probably twenty forward, anybody that hasn't been successful has

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Speaker 3: to look first, can how do we afford to be great.

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Speaker 3: That's the first question that they have to answer.

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Speaker 3: Going out and hiring the biggest named coach is never

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Speaker 3: and it isn't now. You have to hire somebody that's

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Speaker 3: amazes me at how many people hire resumes and don't

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's like, okay, he's.

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Speaker 3: Been really good, really good a long time. But he's

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Speaker 3: needs to be asked. But the first question that needs

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Speaker 1: How do we support said coach?

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, that's that's the biggest question for every team

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Speaker 2: I think you seeing that.

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Speaker 3: That's a struggle for a lot of the teams below

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Speaker 1: Do you believe you know? I was just saying, Mike

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Speaker 1: get into the brackets themselves and Purdue notably, but on

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Speaker 1: this stab a bout of Butler situation. I've talked to

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Speaker 1: can always tell, Mike when you do it long enough,

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Speaker 1: when you talk to people that don't necessarily cross pollinate

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Speaker 1: that's when you're like, Okay, there may be something to this.

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Speaker 1: By that, I mean, at no disrespect to him, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Travis Steele is as lock and stock

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Speaker 1: a candidate for Butler as people may assume. And Ronald Norad,

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Speaker 1: the former Butler Star, who has been in the NBA

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there are capable coaches all throughout college

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Speaker 3: Andy Toole has been at Robert Morris I guess for gosh,

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Speaker 3: fifteen years now, maybe something like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly the tenure, but his teams are.

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Speaker 3: Always good and he always finds talent to extent the

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Speaker 2: That's a guy that.

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Speaker 3: and he's still there. It's like I said, too many

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Speaker 3: hiring these search firms who don't know coaching. They don't

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Speaker 3: they can say, Okay, this guy made this tournament and

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Speaker 3: I think that that's a real problem with how Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what Butler's process is going to be,

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike. A couple of years ago, I went

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Speaker 1: to the Horizon League tournament at the Coliseum and I

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Speaker 1: even been a regular season game. Robert Morris was in

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Speaker 1: and I noticed I was with Derek Schultzen. He and

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Speaker 1: I both commented on this the Robert Morris bench, every

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Speaker 1: cheering each other on. That sounds so ridiculously elementary YMCA basketball,

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Speaker 1: But I also think that it speaks to coaching because

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Speaker 1: it showed this belief of guys that were working together

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Speaker 1: no idea how that translates to x's and o's, but

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Speaker 1: I thought it was impressive for what that's worth a

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Speaker 3: If I have a second, I'll tell you a story

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Speaker 2: Now it's been twenty some.

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Speaker 3: Years, but there was a high level player who was

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Speaker 1: with the tournament bracket. Two questions I had here. First,

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Speaker 3: I don't have Duke winning that region, although certainly they can.

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Speaker 3: on the floor all the time and got to the lane.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he had a ton of threes that night.

442
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Speaker 1: Lightning in a bottle and that's in that final four though,

443
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Speaker 1: no question.

444
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Speaker 2: Let me let me say this before we go.

445
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Speaker 3: I am so excited to be coming back to Indy

446
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 3: every final four should be in Indianapolis. There is no

447
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Speaker 3: second place in terms of the best place to hold

448
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Speaker 3: the final four, and so really excited to be coming

449
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Speaker 3: back to town for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, we love it, Mike, and I appreciate your time

451
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Speaker 1: coming on and obviously we will be looking for you

452
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Speaker 1: BTA Network, watching it on Twitter at TSN Mike and

453
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: Sportingnews dot com where you can read his column as well.

454
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Mike, Thank you very much, Jake.

455
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Speaker 4: Mike.

456
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Speaker 1: Of course he joined me Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest Line.

457
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Speaker 1: Joining us now on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee Guest Line.

458
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Speaker 1: He is the radio analyst for Butler Basketball. Nick Gardner

459
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Speaker 1: joining us, and Nick, I will begin with this before

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Speaker 1: we get into kind of you know, looking under the

461
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Speaker 1: cushions on this, just your overall thoughts on Thad Mada,

462
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: the coaching career of Thad Mada, and what you were

463
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Speaker 1: able to obviously witness from inside the lines and from

464
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Speaker 1: the inside about that Mada, both as a coach and

465
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Speaker 1: a dude altogether.

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Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me, Jake. I think with coach

467
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 5: Moda just a remarkable career. Obviously, it was really cool

468
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Speaker 5: to be able to see him celebrate his five hundred

469
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 5: win recently this past season.

470
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Speaker 2: And to be able to do that at Butler, a place, uh, you.

471
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Speaker 5: Know, means so much to him and his family, and

472
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Speaker 5: I think he kind of echoed that in the release.

473
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Speaker 5: You know, his his wife went to Butler University. He

474
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: went to Butler University. Both of his daughters graduated from

475
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Speaker 5: Butler University. And and and the fact that it was

476
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Speaker 5: Butler University is why he came back, you know, out

477
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Speaker 5: of his retirement to coach anyway. So just a remarkable career.

478
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Speaker 5: That was a coach. Mada was a guy who he

479
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 5: did it the right way. He wasn't a guy that

480
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 5: was gonna, you know, in the old version of college basketball.

481
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Speaker 4: He wasn't going to stray outside the lines.

482
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Speaker 5: He was gonna, you know, do the right thing in

483
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: recruiting and do the right thing by his players. And

484
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 5: then obviously his run at Ohio State is legendary with

485
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 5: the talent he had to there, and you know, his

486
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 5: ability to tap into the Indianapolis recruiting you know area,

487
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 5: and obviously the connection with Odin and Conley, and just

488
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 5: just a great guy. You know, he was a players coach.

489
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Speaker 5: I think he would say one thing about coach Mada

490
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 5: is he was he knew BA basketball right, he understood

491
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: the s's and the o's, but he was elite at

492
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 5: getting you in the right mindset to go play your

493
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 5: best version he had. He has an ability to instill

494
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 5: confidence in his players that is very unique, and that's

495
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: why you see so many guys that want to go

496
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 5: to bat for him and and that are in his

497
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 5: corner long after they've been done playing for him. So

498
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 5: well earned retirement, and obviously wishing him the best in

499
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 5: his retirement. He's been an excellent asset and a huge

500
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Speaker 5: part of Butler University basketball for so many years.

501
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Speaker 1: Is it or well, it is to me peculiar, so

502
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Speaker 1: I will allow you or ask you to elaborate on it. Nick.

503
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Speaker 1: You know, Butler just recently, I think three days ago,

504
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: sent out a release saying that he would return, and

505
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Speaker 1: now we find out he retires. Why the disparity in

506
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: opinion there.

507
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't know. Here's what I think.

508
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: I think part of that is.

509
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 5: There's a lot of there's rumors in speculator to go

510
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 5: on amongst you know, people within any industry, and so

511
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 5: I think first and foremost.

512
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 4: You know, over the weekend you wanted to get out.

513
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 5: In front and say, hey, coach Mona wants to he

514
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 5: we want him back, he wants to come back.

515
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 4: Now.

516
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: I don't know what changed over the weekend. Maybe he

517
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 5: did some more thinking. But I think one thing that

518
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 5: you can appreciate is, you know, some guys may let

519
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 5: that linger a little bit longer, and so coach Monda

520
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: obviously took the weekend. Things changed, There were conversations, and

521
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 5: now you wake up today to the news that he

522
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 5: is going to retire. And so I'm unsure of what

523
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 5: the effect was, but I will say it's it's it's

524
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Speaker 5: better to know that now rather than sit on that

525
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 5: for a week, ten days, whatever it may be, because

526
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 5: these cycles can happen quickly. And now Grant and the

527
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 5: administration has an opportunity to go try to find the

528
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Speaker 5: best candidate to replace the legend that is that mod.

529
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Speaker 1: Could it be as simple as this, Nick, Could it

530
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: be as simple as Butler? As you'd that statement to

531
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Speaker 1: let the world know that they were not firing him

532
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: and he was welcome to come back if he so chose,

533
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: even though they may have known that he was leaning

534
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: this way.

535
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think that certainly could have been the case. Again,

536
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 5: I think sometimes the optics get in the way of

537
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: the actual, you know, the way things transact. But I

538
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 5: would not be shocked if that was kind of the

539
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: case to kind of quell some rumors and say, hey,

540
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 5: you know, it's a university, we want to have this

541
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: guy back. And there was some speculation on if he

542
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 5: would retire or not, and there has been for a

543
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 5: while because he was out of the.

544
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: Game for a little bit. I think that was natural.

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: So I don't think you'd be wrong in speculating that

546
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 5: that could have been the case.

547
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: Who would you say are the names that we will

548
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: hear the most with this and who would you anticipate

549
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: our names that are realistic options.

550
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a great question, I think.

551
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: I think obviously Ronald Nord is a guy who's going

552
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 5: to be mentioned. He was a guy that was mentioned

553
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: when coach Modo was hired in this last hiring cycle.

554
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: You know, you think about other guys with ties to

555
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 5: the program. Ryan Peden is a guy at Illinois State

556
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: who has had success in his first head coaching staff,

557
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 5: who was an assistant on Chris Olten's staff. I mean, heck,

558
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: you think a guy like Chris Olten may be a

559
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 5: name that gets popped up. I think there's obviously people

560
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 5: within the family. Cameron Woods is a guy who's been

561
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: a coach at the NBA G League level, who was

562
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: a former player. Alex Barlow, who was on coach Modess staff,

563
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: is a name that's been mentioned at times.

564
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Speaker 4: So I think this.

565
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: Is you know, look, Butler's had a lot of coaching

566
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 5: searches here in recent memory in my time doing the radio,

567
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: and this may be one of the more wide open

568
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 5: ones that we've seen, just because there isn't necessarily a

569
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: natural connection there. So I'm excited and as anxious to

570
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: see who the dogs can land, just like everybody else is.

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Speaker 1: Nick. I'm gonna I say this, and I mentioned this

572
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: before on the air, but I want to ask you

573
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: because maybe it's it's maybe I'm off base. I have

574
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: always had a great deal of respect and really marveled

575
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: at the way that Butler has been able to seemingly

576
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: just go without missing a beat from one to the

577
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: next in this line of secession. And I know that

578
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Miller had a challenge there, but they quickly recovered

579
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: from that. With Chris Holtman but in staying with those

580
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: that are connected to it. You know, from Thad to Barry,

581
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: from Barry Collier to Thad to Todd Licklider to Brad Stevens,

582
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, the whole lineage here has Butler. Now, if

583
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: you're going to be in the Big East and you've

584
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: got a new arena and you've got you know, you've

585
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: got the money that comes with the television contract of

586
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a big time conference and a bigger national brand than

587
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: you had fifteen years ago, is it time for Butler

588
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: to do an entire, all encompassing scan the country any

589
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: literally best coach possible, regardless of connection to the university.

590
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, I think, and and who's this? And

591
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 5: that's not saying that they haven't done that in the past.

592
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 5: I do think there is there's something to be said

593
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 5: for having not And look, it doesn't have to be

594
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: the head guy, but there needs to be a connection.

595
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: This is true.

596
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 5: Anywhere and certainly to a Butler. You do need to

597
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: have some type of connection as to how how the

598
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 5: university operates, how do you get things done around there?

599
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: Like being able to communicate that and have kind of

600
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: a tie that can bind some things together is important anywhere,

601
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: and it's certainly important at Butler. So I think more

602
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: importantly of necessarily being somebody like in house or a

603
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 5: Butler guy. They need to operate and operate their program

604
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Speaker 5: in a similar way to what has been successful at Butler.

605
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Speaker 4: And that may be somebody that's been within the program.

606
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: That may not be that may be a guy who

607
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 5: who again maybe he just operates in a similar manner,

608
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: and you can have some guys on staff that do

609
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: have a connection to the place. So I think a

610
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: lot of times when people talk about bringing somebody that

611
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 5: is familiar with the university, a lot of that is

612
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: just talking about how do they operate, what type of

613
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 5: personality are they? Are they a good communicator with you know,

614
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: the various outlets that you have to do to operate,

615
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: you know, a big time college basketball program. And so

616
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: I think the key is to find somebody that can

617
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: operate within what can be a successful framework at Butler.

618
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: And look, if they've been at Butler in the past,

619
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: that's all the better. But most importantly, they've got to

620
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: be able to be successful in this type of of

621
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Speaker 5: an environment, and oftentimes that is someone who has been

622
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: there in some form of or capacity.

623
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Speaker 1: At some point, Nick, what do you think is the

624
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: biggest challenge of the Butler job?

625
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: Oh?

626
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 5: Boy, that's a great question. I think obviously, you know,

627
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 5: everybody's going to go. Budget is a challenge, right You're

628
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 5: you're constantly going to have to be you know, and

629
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Speaker 5: in today's in il day and age, it's hard to

630
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: retain talent, and so budget is certainly a challenge.

631
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Speaker 4: I think just just.

632
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: Finding that momentum and finding you know, just trying to

633
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: get over that hump is the biggest challenge right now.

634
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: And how do you do that.

635
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: It's a combination of how you operate, it's a combination

636
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: of budget, it's a combination of everybody kind of being

637
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 5: on the same page.

638
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: And so it's changing.

639
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: And as much as that landscape has changed over the

640
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 5: last few years, and even with the results being as

641
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: they have been, I would say Butler's maybe never been

642
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: in a better place to advance and grow than they

643
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 5: are now, with being in the Big East, with having

644
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: really good leadership, understanding kind of the landscape of things.

645
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: And although the results haven't shown it, I'm not sure

646
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: Butler University and the Butler University Athletic Department has ever

647
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: been in as good.

648
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: A spot to be successful as they are now.

649
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was the other thing I was going

650
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: to ask, because what's the biggest selling point If they

651
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: call you, If Butler calls you and they say, Nick,

652
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: we got a guy in mind and we want you

653
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: to call and recruit it, what do you say.

654
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: I'd say, Look, we've got a number one. You get

655
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 5: to coach at Anklefield House in the Big East, one

656
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 5: of the.

657
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: Best conferences in the country.

658
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: All that is attractive to the Butler with the Big

659
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: East Conference. But then you look at the university as

660
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Speaker 5: a whole, and you talk about Jim Danko, the leadership

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Speaker 5: on campus, along with Grant Line that they're in his

662
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Speaker 5: staff in the athletic department. You know, this is a

663
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Speaker 5: group that's they're hungry. They understand that they're all dead

664
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Speaker 5: set on getting the basketball program back to where.

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Speaker 4: They want it to be. And so you know, although as.

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Speaker 5: I said, those results haven't been istret, I don't know

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Speaker 5: that the university, the athletic department, the whole campus as

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Speaker 5: a whole has been set up and been in a

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Speaker 5: better position to find that success with all those things

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Speaker 5: in the background that have been going on.

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Speaker 4: Over the last two three four years.

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Speaker 1: So does it go without saying that whoever it is

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Speaker 1: that takes over the Butler program now with the retirement

674
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Speaker 1: of fab Mada, that it's going to be and this

675
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Speaker 1: is kind of the era of college basketball a roster overhaul.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would think. So it's hard to say, you know,

677
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Speaker 5: I mean, there are guys who hoped in the portal

678
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Speaker 5: and it's the least likely guy you would think would

679
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Speaker 5: not have been there, whether there's a coaching change or not.

680
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Speaker 5: But one would anticipate when you look at the landscape

681
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Speaker 5: over the last few years. And again a lot of

682
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Speaker 5: that depends on staff and if there is any retainment.

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Speaker 4: If not, who knows.

684
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Speaker 5: But so often players are tied to coaches and staff

685
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Speaker 5: and it depends on who comes back.

686
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Speaker 4: So one would expect if there's going to be, you know.

687
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Speaker 5: A vastly new staff, and most likely there's going to

688
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Speaker 5: be a big turnover, but that was probably expected anyways

689
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Speaker 5: with the results that you had.

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Speaker 4: I think roster turnover is just it is here, it

691
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Speaker 4: is here to stay.

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Speaker 5: And it's at a volume that we've never seen in

693
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Speaker 5: the past. And so coaching change or not, most teams

694
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Speaker 5: are flipping over seven eight guys each and every season.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking here. By the way, Nick Gardner is

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Speaker 1: my guest Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. He is

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Speaker 1: the analyst for Purdue or excuse me, for Butler Basketball Radio.

698
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Speaker 1: I'm looking over it here, Nick, Big East representation in

699
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Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament. I mean, obviously you got Novah's in there,

700
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Speaker 1: Saint John's is in there. Who am I missing here?

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Speaker 1: I'm looking over Yukon obviously. Yeah, I think Yukon is

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Speaker 1: gonna win the whole thing. But I want Nick Gardner

703
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Speaker 1: to tell me which Big East team you feel is

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Speaker 1: most poised for tournament play.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, either of those two I would say, I would.

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Speaker 5: I would say it's probably Saint John's just because of

707
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Speaker 5: how hot they've played lately. Jake, Now, the one thing

708
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: with Saint John's that they're shooting can lead them astray.

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Speaker 1: And I say that that bit him last year.

710
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Speaker 5: Right, Beatable, Yeah, it sure did it bit him last year.

711
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Speaker 5: And that's that's frankly what was so shocking. But you

712
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Speaker 5: also saw like when they do put it all together,

713
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Speaker 5: I mean, they ran Yukon out of the garden there

714
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Speaker 5: for the Big East tournament championship. And so to me,

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Speaker 5: I think Rick Patino's ability to coach, their ability to

716
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Speaker 5: put pressure on teams and look, as much as their

717
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 5: shooting can let them down, their ability to guard, to

718
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: put pressure defensively takes away the shooting of other teams.

719
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Speaker 5: So I would say, especially they're underseated, they probably have

720
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Speaker 5: a little.

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Speaker 4: Chip on their shoulder of them at a five seed.

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Speaker 5: Boy, that's a dangerous one and one that if you're

723
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Speaker 5: if you're the one or two, you don't want to have.

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Speaker 4: To see them too early. And that's that's a tough

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Speaker 4: matchup for anybody. And Platino's got to play really well.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Nick in conclusion here, totality of career, Okay,

727
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Speaker 1: totality of career, is Rick Patino the best career in

728
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Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament?

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Speaker 4: Boy? Probably?

730
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Speaker 1: I mean you got us right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Self? I mean self has been around a long time, right,

733
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Speaker 1: really good coach. There are some really bright young coaches,

734
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Speaker 1: But in terms of the old guard and where he's been,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's tough to argue.

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Speaker 4: Right, He's tough to argue.

737
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Speaker 5: And the other thing that I would think would be

738
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Speaker 5: compelling for his argument Jacobs, his ability to do it

739
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Speaker 5: like college basketball has completely been turned on it fed

740
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Speaker 5: the last four years.

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Speaker 4: And as you've seen you.

742
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Speaker 5: Know saying you know this, it's a reason why coach

743
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Speaker 5: Moder deserves some praise too. A lot of the guys

744
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 5: of his ILKIS generation, they saw the changes. They said, man,

745
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Speaker 5: no way, you know I'm getting out Jay Riot, retirees

746
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Speaker 5: from Jim Bayhive, Roy Williams, all these different guys.

747
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Speaker 4: Because I think some of that.

748
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Speaker 5: Had to do with the changing landscape and with coach

749
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Speaker 5: Fatino and then obviously coach Maderia.

750
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Speaker 4: These are guys who didn't run away from that. And

751
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Speaker 4: then coach Patino.

752
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Speaker 5: Has come back, and I mean he has lit a

753
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Speaker 5: fire underneath a huge fan base in Saint Johnson, showed

754
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Speaker 5: his ability to adjust on the fly and change with

755
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Speaker 5: the with the changing landscape of college basketball, and he

756
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 5: hasn't missed a beat. So it's impressive. And look, you're

757
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Speaker 5: hard to argue anybody else. If you came and said

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Speaker 5: Fatino's the best. I don't know, there's not many others

759
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Speaker 5: you could argue with.

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Speaker 1: A right who wins it?

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Speaker 4: You know what? I think.

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Speaker 5: I hate saying this shake if this feels like a

763
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Speaker 5: Duke year where they come up and win it when

764
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Speaker 5: there's you know, they're kind of kind of under the

765
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Speaker 5: radar even though they're one of the top four seeds.

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Speaker 4: But it feels like, you know.

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Speaker 5: Michigan gets talked about a little more, Arizona gets getting

768
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Speaker 5: a lot of love lately in those Big twelve teams.

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Speaker 5: But boy, I'll tell you what, Duke is so solid

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Speaker 5: and Cameron Boozer can do so many different things.

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Speaker 4: John Shires are really good coach too. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 4: with Duke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I you know you're talking about like Arizona, Michigan.

774
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Speaker 1: The school that has been one of my favorite trivia questions.

775
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned it probably weekly on this program. The school

776
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Speaker 1: that has been to the most final fours without ever

777
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Speaker 1: having won the national championship is Houston. And it feels

778
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Speaker 1: like this could be another year for that nick where

779
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Speaker 1: Houston goes and then it's like, well, add another one

780
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Speaker 1: where they got close. But you know, people don't talk

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Speaker 1: about them a lot either, and they're they're they've had

782
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Speaker 1: a hell of a year.

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Speaker 5: They've been a really good year, and you know, they're

784
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Speaker 5: one that I was like, I would put them second

785
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Speaker 5: as a team that I would choose to win it

786
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Speaker 5: simply because I feel like they're a little different. They're

787
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Speaker 5: a little better offensively this year, right Kelvin there, you

788
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: know what you're gonna get with.

789
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Speaker 4: The Kelvin Sanmpston team on the defensive end, their ability

790
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Speaker 4: to rebound.

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Speaker 5: But with Flemington point they've got some dynamic playmakers. It

792
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 5: feels like that offense may be a little bit better

793
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 5: this year. So that's another one. And then obviously the

794
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Speaker 5: experience too. Those guys have been through the battles. They've

795
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Speaker 5: gone deep in the tournament each of the last few years.

796
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Speaker 5: Kelvin Sampson is a guy who's been able to retain

797
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 5: talent a lot better in this day and age of pollochoops.

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Speaker 5: So that's another dangerous team that I think we could

799
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Speaker 5: see here in India in a.

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Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Nick, appreciate the time as always. I know it's got

802
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Speaker 1: to be busy right now around Butler basketball and with

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Speaker 1: other stuff you got going on, but certainly appreciate the.

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Speaker 5: Time anytime, Jake, I appreciate you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Nick Gardner joining us on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Colbrew Coffee guest line. I can only imagine, or I

807
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Speaker 1: can't even imagine for that matter, what the schedule must

808
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Speaker 1: look like for Tom Crean this time of year. In

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Speaker 1: terms of understanding the bracket, looking at the teams, I

810
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Speaker 1: think he does a remarkable job of being able to

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Speaker 1: talk about a number of them in his work at ESPN.

812
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Speaker 1: Of course, he needs no introduction in this state. The

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Speaker 1: former Indiana and Marquette basketball coach joining us now on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Colebrew Coffee guest line coach, I'll get

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Speaker 1: right to this with this bracket, and that is what

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Speaker 1: was your overall just assessment of the selection committee and

817
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Speaker 1: the way this bracket laid itself out.

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Speaker 6: I didn't think there were many surprises. I really didn't.

819
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Speaker 6: And I think going into the week, like a case

820
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Speaker 6: like Miami, Ohio, I think the only way they were

821
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Speaker 6: truly in was to be the automatic qualifier. And I

822
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Speaker 6: really do. And I think the bottom line is like

823
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Speaker 6: once they didn't win, yeah they belong in there, but

824
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Speaker 6: they were going to put them in date. I mean,

825
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 6: it just it was about as clear as could be.

826
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Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of where it's at is

827
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Speaker 6: that you really, really, really really have to earn your

828
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Speaker 6: way in in a special way as a as a

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Speaker 6: mid major outside of being the automatic qualifier to get

830
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Speaker 6: into that tournament. And it's only going to continue to

831
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Speaker 6: grow that way. It's just going to continue to expand

832
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Speaker 6: and you're going to have I mean, the first four

833
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 6: is a great example. You've got NC State, You've got SMU,

834
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Speaker 6: You've got Texas, and then you've got Miami, Ohio. And

835
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Speaker 6: that's kind of how it's going to be, whether the

836
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Speaker 6: tournament expands someday or not, it's going to be set

837
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Speaker 6: up for the high majors. But I do think with

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Speaker 6: that being said that they did a good job. The

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Speaker 6: only one that I was I was surprised that NC

840
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Speaker 6: State went to Dayton, and I was a little surprise

841
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Speaker 6: a lot of surprised that SMU was able to get

842
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Speaker 6: in over either. I still thought Auburn would end up

843
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Speaker 6: in Dateon, but whether it be Dayton or Oklahoma, I

844
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 6: was a little surprised that they got in. And then

845
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Speaker 6: I think some of the seedings were a little wild,

846
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Speaker 6: but you know, especially like with Saint John's being a five.

847
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Speaker 6: But I think overall it did a great job. And

848
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Speaker 6: when you look at that bracket and when you look

849
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Speaker 6: at it, come out, you go, mayn there's a lot

850
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Speaker 6: of really good teams, because for the last few weeks

851
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 6: it's really kind of shifted to whether there's just certain

852
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 6: teams that are head and shoulders better than each other.

853
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Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, you see the conference tournaments

854
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 6: and you see the brackets come out, and you say, no,

855
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 6: there are a lot of good teams. So I think

856
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Speaker 6: more than anything. Last part of that is I'd have

857
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Speaker 6: to go back and really look at it, but I

858
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Speaker 6: would say this is a huge matchup driven tournament. Or

859
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Speaker 6: the highest seed teams, higher see teams going into the

860
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Speaker 6: first weekend. You know, it's always a matchup driven thing

861
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Speaker 6: unless you're really talented when you get into the second weekend,

862
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Speaker 6: but the first weekend, I think more than ever, it's

863
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Speaker 6: very matchup writing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So with that, is there a team you know

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Speaker 1: we know coach that like Duke is great, we know

866
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Speaker 1: Arizona's great. You know, I mean, obviously we know that

867
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Speaker 1: the ones and the twos how good they can be.

868
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: Is there a team that jumps out at you though,

869
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Speaker 1: where you look at them and say, maybe that from

870
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: a league we're not as familiar with, but they play

871
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: stylistically away that might catch people off guard because they

872
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: play a unique brand of basketball that isn't necessarily replicated

873
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: across the board in one of the power forwards.

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Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, South Florida comes to mind right away, no

875
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 6: question about it. And I did a game for them

876
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 6: a few weeks ago, and it's unbelievable how hard they play,

877
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 6: how quick and fast they play. They're aggressive defensively, they

878
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 6: shoot it quick. Everybody thinks it's a three point shooting team.

879
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: Team it is, but it's a layup team. It's a

880
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: drive through the elbows team. It's a attack the rim team.

881
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: It's a goot foul team. It's just a really quick,

882
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: fast paced team. And I think when people are looking

883
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: at the brackets, it's really interesting because this because in

884
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: this quick turnaround, more than ever, when you've got a

885
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 3: style of play that you are not used to seeing,

886
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: and now you've got to get ready for it mentally, physically,

887
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: emotionally is a big part of this too, and you've

888
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: got to get ready for it in a day and

889
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: a half. And that team is conditioned to be to

890
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: play at a certain pace because they've been conditioned at

891
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: it all year.

892
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 6: Everybody can say, well, you know the timeouts are longer.

893
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 6: That's a bunch of nonsense. If a team is really

894
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 6: in great shape and they are really committed to their

895
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 6: style and you're not used to that, it can become

896
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 6: a real problem for a team. And that's where South

897
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 6: Florida could really sneak in there. And there are others,

898
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: but that's a big one. If there's any other ones

899
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: you want to talk about, I'd be happy to. But

900
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 6: that's that's somebody that sticks out to me and I've

901
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 6: seen them in person.

902
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it was impressive.

903
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: I've always thought this in Kretma. If I'm wrong, you know,

904
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: the Big Ten for example, with the number of teams

905
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: now in the Big Ten, one of the advantages if

906
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: you're coming out of the Big Ten is there are

907
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: very few styles you haven't seen yet, right, Like Iowa

908
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: plays a totally different style than you know, whoever, Michigan

909
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: or whatever.

910
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: I mean.

911
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out teams. But so what I wanted

912
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: to know is is there a league that you of

913
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: the leagues that are represented in the NCAA tournament, is

914
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: there a conference that you look at it and you

915
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: say that conference across the board offers the least versatility

916
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: of style and thus may have less prepared its representative

917
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: versus other conferences.

918
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: In this tournament.

919
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 6: If you took uh no, I was going to say,

920
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 6: I was going to say the SEC. But now becaus

921
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 6: Florida is so good. Alabama's got a very fast pace.

922
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 6: You can score in Alabama. You can definitely score in Alabama.

923
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 6: You can get fouled by Alabama. But they play so

924
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: fast now because everybody's different, right, Like it's some of

925
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 6: the similar teams, like in the Big Ten, with Illinois

926
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 6: the way they shoot the ball, with Wisconsin the way

927
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 6: they shoot the ball, they can create a lot of problems,

928
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 6: especially Wisconsin. They lose it withero point three seconds to Michigan.

929
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 6: The other day they beat them at Michigan, and those

930
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: two games, they've made thirty one threes against Michigan, and

931
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it's half of them have come

932
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 6: from the front line, but it's really close if it's

933
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 6: not half. And I just think those are the kind

934
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 6: of styles of plays that can create a problem.

935
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: But I don't think.

936
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any league right now, the Power

937
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 6: leagues that's not used to something. When you haven't played

938
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 6: Saint John's or when you haven't played Yukon and the

939
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 6: way that they can get up and suffocate you. And

940
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 6: we just saw it with Yukon drill in Saint John's

941
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, and then Saint John's just

942
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 6: would not let up on Yukon this past Saturday night.

943
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 6: Those things are hard to deal with. But I don't

944
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: think there's any league that hasn't seen enough, especially with

945
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 6: all the great non league games there are.

946
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: Now.

947
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Tom Crean my guest, of course, you see him on ESPN.

948
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. Coach.

949
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: Purdue played four games in four days, and certainly it

950
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: looks like Matt Painter, you know, reawakened what it was

951
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: that we expected from Purdue at the beginning of the

952
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: year and where they played some of their best ball

953
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: away from Mackie oddly enough. But is there from a

954
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, when your team would play like Ford, you know,

955
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: you go into that. Is there a danger there in

956
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: exerting all of that to win the Big Ten tournament

957
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: and then have to turn right back around into the

958
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: Big One?

959
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 6: Only if it was Thursday out West and and I

960
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 6: forget where they go, where do they go.

961
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: They are eddiewhere they playing. They're playing Friday, right.

962
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're Friday. I just don't remember what city.

963
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I've got to look and see what city because this

964
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: one doesn't have the sites. Can you look at the city, Eddie.

965
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 6: I don't think it's out west though.

966
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Eddie's looking here, but so but if it is out west,

967
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: that is that of concern.

968
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 6: Arkansas has got to go to Portland, right and they

969
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 6: got to play an early game, and they just played

970
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 6: those games like that is a little bit of a concern.

971
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 6: When they got to go off that far. Saint John's

972
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 6: played Saturday night, they got to go to San Diego.

973
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 6: And again I don't have the days in front of me.

974
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: But St.

975
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: Louis by the way, Yeah, that's no, that's no issue.

976
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: And it's a Friday, right, Yeah, so that's good. That's

977
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: good news right now.

978
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: I love their matchups.

979
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 6: I love their matchups because Missouri and Miami are two

980
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 6: different teams. But if you and they're going to try

981
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 6: to overpower you with drives, right, like Missouri really wants

982
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 6: to go at you. They want to they want to

983
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 6: bring their bigs, but they those teams will have a

984
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: hard time dealing with Matt's ball screen schemes. Michigan has

985
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 6: a hard time with it. I thought this when Purdue

986
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 6: lost to Michigan. Whenever they played, I.

987
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: Thought Purdue was way closer to beating Michigan than it

988
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: looked like on the scoreboard. Michigan got hot, they got

989
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: some things done, and Purdue almost got away a little

990
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: bit that first time from what was working.

991
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 6: Well, they didn't get away from it yesterday and the

992
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 6: way they attacked Michigan's bodies, because that's how you do it.

993
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 6: You beat Michigan one of two ways. You either go

994
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 6: and attack them like Duke did and like Purdue did

995
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 6: a lot yesterday, like you go into their bodies, you

996
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 6: back them up, or you beat them on a high

997
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: pick and roll spacing with your five pick and pop

998
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 6: type things, which is what Wisconsin has done. And to me,

999
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 6: that's that's where Michigan's vulnerable. So like here's Purdue. There's

1000
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 6: so many styles of play that Purdue can play because

1001
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 6: of what Trey kauferin Ren can do. And everybody said, well,

1002
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 6: Fletcher Lawyer's got to do this, and he's got to

1003
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 6: do the a. He's got to be good. He doesn't

1004
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 6: have to be great. Braydon Smith has to continue to

1005
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 6: attack play out of the pick and roll, make the

1006
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 6: decisions that he makes, and then operate because Oscar Cloff

1007
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 6: now he becomes an incredibly hard matchup because he can

1008
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 6: overpower you inside. He can step out and shoot, and

1009
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 6: I think Purdue could really get hot here. The issue

1010
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 6: that they have at times is they can get stuck

1011
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 6: on the pick and roll coverage, where now Oscar Kluff

1012
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 6: has to recover or he has to go out and

1013
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 6: guard a big and he's not that good at that.

1014
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 6: You know, it was a lot easier last year when

1015
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 6: Trey Coffer and Red was guarding the fots. You know,

1016
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 6: when you got Zach Edie. There's not a lot of

1017
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 6: things that somebody can do that they're going to hurt

1018
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 6: you in the paint. But you can stretch people out

1019
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 6: with the shooting. And that's the only thing that I

1020
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 6: see that can hurt them if they stay on this

1021
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 6: pace that they're at, maybe somebody that really got up

1022
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 6: into them physically, but they can just keep back in

1023
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 6: that ball screen up with Braden Smith and he can

1024
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 6: operate so well out of it. I think Purdue could.

1025
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 6: I think they could go a long, long way coach.

1026
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: We heard earlier today, obviously the Thad Moda deciding to

1027
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: retire from coaching in college basketball, five hundred and two

1028
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: career wins, nearly seventy winning percentage of parafinal four trips.

1029
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: Wanted to just get your overall thoughts on the career

1030
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: of that Bada.

1031
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 6: Big time Hall of Famer. I've said that since I

1032
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 6: was coaching against him in the Big Ten. I saw

1033
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 6: him coach a few weeks ago when I was up

1034
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 6: at Marquette to get an honor from Marquten and then

1035
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 6: a lot of our former players are back. They honored

1036
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 6: our first Big East team. I saw what he's doing there,

1037
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 6: you know, dealing with the injuries. I thought he did

1038
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 6: an incredible coaching job this year. He had a lot

1039
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 6: of injuries, he didn't have great shooting. He made guys better,

1040
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 6: you know, he brought confidence, like to Michael kid Led

1041
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 6: the country and rebounding or second and the rebounding and

1042
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 6: the confidency unleashed in him was incredible. Watching Philly Bizjack

1043
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 6: the way that he plays. He's He's a huge winner,

1044
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 6: been a winner everywhere that he's been And no question

1045
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 6: in my mind with what he's done over a period

1046
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 6: of time. Some of these other guys are in the

1047
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. That bad models should be in there

1048
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 6: in due time as well. That he is a tremendous coach.

1049
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 6: He was always always hard to go against because he's

1050
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 6: a little like Matt Painter. Like Matt will really adjust

1051
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 6: what he's doing to the personnel that he has, you know,

1052
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 6: and that could always really do a good job of

1053
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 6: recruiting his personnel, but he would also change. He would

1054
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 6: also play to the personnel, so you were constantly happened

1055
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 6: to There was no patterned way you were going to

1056
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 6: play against or beat Ohio State. You had to continue

1057
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 6: to adjust it constantly. And I thought he was phenomenal

1058
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 6: at that He's had a great career.

1059
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: You know that league and you know this state. Would

1060
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: you be interested in the Butler job?

1061
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think the way that's come down now, I

1062
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 6: would answer it like this. I think for the announcement

1063
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 6: to come out now after saying that he was going

1064
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 6: to come back, I would think this is all set

1065
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 6: and they know exactly what they're doing, so it would

1066
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 6: be I don't mind hypotheticals, but that one doesn't even

1067
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 6: seem like that would be a reality one to me

1068
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 6: because I would just think that they have that figured out,

1069
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 6: or because the timing is just too you know, because

1070
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 6: they had announced he was coming back.

1071
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: Right correct, three days ago, I believe, And I wondered

1072
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: if maybe that wasn't the university just wanting people to

1073
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: understand that this would have was his decision, you know,

1074
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: and I would think at that point they knew, right,

1075
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: he deserves that.

1076
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 6: I mean, he I got a lot of respect, especially

1077
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 6: in that state when people know how to handle their

1078
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 6: business in the athletic department right, and they did a

1079
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 6: good job with that. I give Graham a lot of

1080
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 6: credit for that. However it played out, and I don't

1081
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 6: have any knowledge other.

1082
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 4: Than then.

1083
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 6: Just what I've read and seen, but for that to

1084
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 6: be able to announce it on his own terms, that

1085
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 6: was really really important.

1086
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: So obviously you haven't talked to anybody there.

1087
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all.

1088
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 4: No.

1089
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 6: No, I would think that I would think that is done.

1090
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Speaker 6: I would think that that that that would be. But

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Speaker 6: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Who would your guest be, because I you know, my

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Speaker 1: first thought was steal from Miami, and then other people

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Speaker 1: told me that probably no, that's probably not so much

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Speaker 1: the case, I think Ronald Nora would seem to make sense.

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Speaker 1: But who would be your guests?

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Speaker 6: Well, I would think if it's not a total in

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Speaker 6: house person from Butler, I wouldn't rule out John Gross

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Speaker 6: of Akron. He's had done a tremendous job. It's got

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Speaker 6: the ties. It would it would It would surprise me

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Speaker 6: if it wasn't somebody that that was a part of

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Speaker 6: that fabric of I don't want to say it's the

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Speaker 6: Butler way because it continues to evolve, but it would.

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Speaker 6: It would surprise me at this point the way it's

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Speaker 6: all come down if it wasn't somebody that they had

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Speaker 6: earmarked for this. And so yeah, Ronald Nora and all

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Speaker 6: those guys, but anybody that fits that bill, that's good.

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Speaker 6: But John Gross has done an incredible job at an

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Speaker 6: incredible job. And I'll actually have their game. I'll be

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Speaker 6: with Westwood one on uh Friday, so I'll see their

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Speaker 6: game against Texas Techer call their game.

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Speaker 2: But he's done a great job.

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech's really well coached too, that that'll be a

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Speaker 1: great matchup because Gross, he's one of the best.

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Speaker 6: In the country today. McCaslin is one of the when

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Speaker 6: he's doing with that team. And I know they've lost

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Speaker 6: three in a row, but to lose JT. Toppin, who

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Speaker 6: was probably going to be the Big Twelve Player of

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Speaker 6: the year after being that last year and what he

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Speaker 6: does is a player, and then to ring off three

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Speaker 6: wins in a row after that. I had one of

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Speaker 6: the of the Koons after they've run, after they beat

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Speaker 6: Iowa State for Fox, I called there was an analyst

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Speaker 6: for the TCU Texas Tech game. He could he could

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Speaker 6: beat some people. There is no doubt about that. If

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Speaker 6: people are looking at their at their at their at

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Speaker 6: their pools, I would not sleep. Now. The problem is,

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Speaker 6: you don't You don't know if Christian Anderson is going

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Speaker 6: to be one hundred percent. And I'm not sure they

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Speaker 6: could go on without him because he's one of the

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Speaker 6: great guards in the country. But if he's healthy and

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Speaker 6: he's cleared and he feels good, that team can beat

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Speaker 6: a lot of people because of the case of play,

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Speaker 6: the way they shoot it.

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Speaker 1: He's just outstanding coach and they just they seem to

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Speaker 1: always know where the loose balls are. They just are

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Speaker 1: a very well prepared basketball team, no question about that,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Coach I know it will be a busy time. Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much sleep you get over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, but I love every minute of it,

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Speaker 1: and I certainly enjoy your perspectives, your coverage as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll be watching and listening throughout March. Badness.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Jake, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Tom Green joining us on the Java House Cold Brew

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Speaker 1: Coffee guest line