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You know it for thirty years in the 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: Indiana Senate. Jim Merritt, Hello, Robert, and we'll start with 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: the well. The topic that it's it's the song that 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: never ends. It goes on and on. My friends, it's reading. 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: It is, and it's taken a while, hasn't it. 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: There's no way they can out the straight face say 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: this is good public policy based on how long it's 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: even taken them to get to we're going to do this. 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: Well, my brotherre and my former brethren in the legislature, 46 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: you'd hope that they were talking to people at church 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: and at the gym and at the grocery store about this. 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: And right now it looks like because it wasn't called immediately, 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: that being a special session of the India and General Assembly, 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: sounds like it looks like it feels like they don't. 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: Have the votes. Yeah, you've got. You can speak better 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: to this obviously than I can because you were there 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: for thirty years. How many special sessions did you have? 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: Do you remember? 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: I didn't keep count, but numerous rumorus yes, And in fact, 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: in the early nineties it was almost something on a 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: budget session that was going to happen because the state 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: was not in good school shape. Number one and two, 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: we had Evan By with a split legislature as a 60 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 3: Democrat Republican and we were dealing with gaming. We were 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: dealing with the river boats. We were gaming with a 62 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: wounded budget and and uh and we Republicans did not 63 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: want to raise taxes, and so there was a big fight. 64 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: And through the years there have been big fights about 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 3: about budgeting and but never about well, I take that back, 66 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: you know, as recall as you recall, we had an 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: anti abortion special session several years ago. So I was 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: after you though, yes, it was after me and uh, 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: and so we have had special sessions that focused on 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: something other than money. 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you guys would go into those special sessions, 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: and obviously it's a different ballgame now because because it's 73 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 2: all one party, I would assume you didn't know where 74 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: you were going to go with that, right. 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, yes we did. We usually in the early nineties nineties, 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: April twenty ninth would come and we didn't have a budget, 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: and we would schedule it two weeks out of vans 78 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: and then you'd get a bill copy that was going 79 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: to go to committee and it'd say House Bill ten 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: oh one SS, which would be special session. And so 81 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: it would be kind of a continuation of the budget 82 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: session besides the abortion or the right to live session 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: in August of several years ago. We've never really had 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: a situation in the last thirty or forty years my regulation, 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: recognition and recollection that kind of hung around and and 86 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: it usually was that a governor was certain would call 87 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: the special session and it it would be done transparency. 88 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: A bill would be filed, it would be hurt in committee, 89 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 3: it would sit on the debt, it would do all 90 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: have all the rules of transparency, the exact opposite. Now, yes, yes, 91 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of hanging around and and uh 92 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: and and it just it strikes you that the governor 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 3: hasn't made a decision on it because it is his decision. 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: Well, so okay, so this brings me to the why. 95 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: And Braun came out I think it was last week 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: and basically stooged on himself and kind of admitted, we're 97 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 2: only doing this because we don't want to make Trump mad. 98 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: And that's like, and by mad, he alluded to somehow 99 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: there'd be some repercussion if they didn't do exactly what 100 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: Trump wanted him to do. And I looked at that 101 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: and I was like, you are the reddest of red states, 102 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: at least in terms of elected officials, not in policy, 103 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: but elected officials. Your Trump's former vice president came out 104 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: of Indiana. What what would he do? What would he do? Tess? 105 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems like a ridiculous reason to 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: say we're going to do this massive policy change because 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: we're scared of some guy in Washington, DC who's going 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: to do what. 109 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting through the years, and this is 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: not something that's new. The strings attached to federal funding, 111 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: federal helping with a project is age old. But with 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: President Trump, it's more pronounced, it's more emphasized, and more open. 113 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: Is very much open. And also with we've never had 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: a president with this kind of personality that that is 115 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: willing to make a statement with terminating project or having 116 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 3: some sort of transportation project canceled. The federal government is 117 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: awesome in its power. 118 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, if we don't have a special session, we 119 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: might lose the blue line. That'd be awesome, that'd be great. 120 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: What you're telling me, Jim, Well, I didn't. 121 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what the federal government uh has 122 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: hanging over our heads, as as as state government. But 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: the governor knows and uh and and it's a big 124 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: decision for him and uh, and as well as you've 125 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: got to call it when you call it, you've got 126 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: to have the votes. And right now, right now, it's 127 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: in the balance because each caucus, the House of Representatives 128 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: and the and the Senate, both supermajorities, have had their caucuses, 129 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: and seemingly people are making their point when legislators are 130 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: going to the grocery store and all the places that 131 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: they have in their communities and and making their point 132 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: that this is not necessary. 133 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: Okay. So that brings me to Braun is not the 134 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: only person who doesn't appear to really want this. The 135 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: leadership of the House, and Senate Rod Bray, the protim 136 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: of the Senate, Todd Houston, the Speaker of the House, 137 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: they don't appear to want it either because when they 138 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: when the Vice President came what's been a couple of 139 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: months ago, now, yeah, and they walked out of that meeting, 140 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: those two guys looked like they had seen probably what 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: Scrooge looked like when he was visited by the three ghosts, right. 142 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: I mean, they looked like they didn't want any part 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: of this. And so this brings me to a column 144 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: written by Jim Scheller. You remember Jim Sheller, right. 145 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 146 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: You ever get grilled by Jim Seller. 147 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: Oh, I've had my phil Yeah. He he was a 148 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: stout member of the of the of the Indiana State 149 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: media circle, if you will. And uh but he was 150 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: always very straight and very fair you. 151 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: Uh so. Jim Seller was a probably best known as 152 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: being a report for WISH TV yes for years. 153 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: Yes do you. 154 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: We don't really have this anymore, the big person media 155 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: personalities in the State House. 156 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: We really don't. We really don't. As I've said on 157 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: this program many times, we have a new media where 158 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: where it's it's Indiana Capitol Chronicle. Uh you and WWC 159 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 3: and you know, Hambert Nigel can be political and abdual 160 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: and and uh there are others that we're not there. 161 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: We're not there ever, you're not. 162 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: There anymore, and and so it's it is a different type. 163 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: We just talked about it. 164 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's outside the state House. That's where the 165 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: media is these days. 166 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah do you do you? Uhay? I don't know. I'm 167 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: a sucker for nostalgia, but I kind of missed the 168 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: idea of Hey, there were larger than life guys walking 169 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: around that State House and their job was to hold 170 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: was to hold you guys accountable. 171 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: Indianapolis News had a calmnist by the name of Ed Zigner, 172 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: and Ed's son, actually, David is on the Indiana Utility 173 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: Regulatory Commission. 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: And we need to do a better job. 175 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: Ed Zigner actually was so renowned that he addressed the 176 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: legislature late in the session or no, I think it 177 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: was early in the session. And and everybody look forward 178 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: to hearing that. 179 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: They let some guy in the media get up there 180 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: in the Yes, I love that. How do I get that? 181 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a shame that they didn't film them 182 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: back then. But uh, a long time has gone by 183 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: where Gordon Ingleheart with Louisville Courier Journal and uh and 184 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: and all the different personalities in the in the core 185 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: of media people. Uh, it just isn't happening anymore. 186 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, Jim Shellon now has a column for 187 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: the ib J, the Indiana Business Journal, right. 188 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Business Journal, right, And once in a while, 189 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: maybe once or once a month, they have a section 190 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: called Forefront, and they invite people to to offer their 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: points of view and it's kind of an op ed 192 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: and uh, this this particular article, uh that Jim Scheller 193 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: wrote was about an interview that he that he had 194 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: with with prison pro temporary Rod Bray. 195 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: Okay, this is fascinating, so he you know, it's a 196 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: long piece, and he talks about how he was on 197 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: a podcast with Bray. Leaders in Legends is the name 198 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: of the podcast? You ever been on the Leaders in Legends? 199 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: I have not, Robert Vane and it's a very good podcast, 200 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: and he has wonderful guests. 201 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: At one so I was on with him, and at 202 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: one point I think he said I was the most 203 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: downloaded episode, or here's the top of the most downloaded episode. 204 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: Not because I'm by. He's interviewed people far more famous 205 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: than me. I'm sure, just the most controversial. But we 206 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: love Robert. He's great. And so Shelle is talking about 207 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: this interview that he did with Rod Bray, the pro 208 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: tim of the Senate, and they had insisted Bray's people, hey, 209 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: no questions about redistricting. 210 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: Well not only that, but in the inter if you 211 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: if you read the Forefront article, he cleared the decks 212 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: before he told them that I can't let this go by, 213 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: and they talked to the Senate spokesman that was working 214 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: with Robert on this interview, and so there was knowledge 215 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: prior to the interview, if I'm recalling the article correctly. 216 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: And so it wasn't it wasn't a gotcha moment. No, No, 217 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: Jim doesn't do that. 218 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: No, I don't think it any shape, form or fashion. 219 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: It was gotcha because look, you're the elected head of 220 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: the Senate, and the idea that you're not going to 221 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: answer a question about immense public importance and public policy. 222 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: It's not like he was asking him, you know, whether 223 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: or not he was what he was doing on Friday night. 224 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: You know, let me give some contexts this whole situation 225 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: about Jim Shall as well. I was running for reelection 226 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, and I had an opponent 227 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: that was going door to door in just all the time, 228 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: and so I agreed to a debate, and I asked 229 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 3: Jim to be the monitor of the debate. And back then, 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: we had this issue about retired legislators being able to 231 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: buy health insurance through the state system, and no one 232 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: liked that. They felt like the retired legislators left the 233 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: Left government that they had to go out and find 234 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: their own healthcare. Well, that was a big issue back then, 235 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 3: and and Bob Garton, who was the protemd of the 236 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: Senate eventually lost a primary challenge to that. And and 237 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: so this is the general election. Bob had lost the primary. 238 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: It was a hot issue. And and I I Jim said, 239 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: Jim Shall has said, well, if I monitor this, I'm 240 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: going to ask you that question. And so uh he 241 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: cleared the decks with this, and and I answered it, 242 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: uh and as well as so he cleared the decks 243 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: here and uh and and and I feel I feel 244 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: for my brethren, my fellow leaders with with this issue 245 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: of redistricting. Uh, that is going on right now, that 246 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: being Todd Houston and Rod Bray. 247 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: So Shelle again in this IBJ piece, you know, talking 248 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: about interviewing Rod Bray for this this Leaders and Legends podcast, said, 249 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: you know, he'd established that Bray was a part of 250 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: that group in Washington. He met with Vance, he met 251 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: with Trump, which good job on Sheella. Somebody had said 252 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: maybe was Adam Rin over at at Importantville. Politico had 253 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: said that was the first public acknowledgement that even though 254 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: everybody knew that it happened, then was the first public 255 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: acknowledgment of of Bray meeting with Trump. And so after 256 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: he has talked to him about that. He then asked 257 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: him the following question. I'll just read this. This is 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: fascinating to me. Me, me being Shella. Do you have 259 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: a position on redistricting? Bray? We have heard the ask 260 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: and we are considering it. 261 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: Me. 262 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: Do you know when a decision will be made? Bray? 263 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: We've heard the ask and we are considering it. Shella 264 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: then goes on to say his body language was more telling. 265 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: He recoiled like when he wanted to curl up in 266 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: a ball, like he wanted to curl up in a ball. 267 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: It was clear that he would repeat his cant answer 268 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: to any follow up question, So I moved on. That 269 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: is what a great get by Jim Scheller, and it 270 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: gives you an insight into what actually bad public policy. 271 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: This is about how the Republicans know it, about how 272 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: the leadership knows it and they really don't want any 273 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: part of it. 274 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: Well, you and I both agree that this is bad policy, 275 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: This is bad timing. And I think what we're seeing here. 276 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: And it's been reported that someone ask in a public domain, 277 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: in a public meeting, asked the speaker what he thought, 278 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: and he reportedly said, you'll have to ask the governor, 279 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: which is more appropriate. I feel for Senator Bray in 280 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: this regard because he is number one legislators are being 281 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: asked about this out in out in Indiana, number one. 282 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: Number two, the governor hasn't which is his responsibility, hasn't 283 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: called a special session or said that he would not. 284 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: And three they've had two you know, they've had caucuses. 285 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: And and uh, right now, the leaders of the General 286 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: Assembly are are smashed. They're they're they're getting it from 287 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: both sides. And uh and and I wish that Sarah 288 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: Bray had had a better answer. Uh. And And obviously, uh, 289 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: Todd Houston cut it off at the knees with that 290 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: reported response. And and I wish that my friend Sarah 291 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: Bray had answered it a little more succinctly. Uh and 292 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: and a little more rehearsed. 293 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 294 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: But uh, that is a telling blow that they're in 295 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: the middle right now. 296 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: Why do you think they are unwilling to just say 297 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: enough is enough? Clearly there's not support for this. We 298 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: don't want to waste any more time on it. There's 299 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: no gain for us in terms of the General Assembly. 300 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: We're only gonna probably lose seats if we try to do. 301 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: This doesn't mean we're even gonna get the seats anyway, 302 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: And we're done here. Goodbye, Thank you, mister governor for 303 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: your time. Audios like they could stop it whenever they want. 304 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: Why don't they do that? 305 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: Remember Dean Smith who was the bast coach basketball coach 306 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 3: in North Carolina. Uh, he had what they called this 307 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: is before the shot clock. Uh, he had what it 308 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: was called four corners. They're playing the four corners right 309 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: now in the legislature, meaning they are are spending the time. 310 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: They're not wasting the time, but they're playing that. They're 311 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: playing the clock and they're trying to play the clock out. 312 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: And and what I would imagine is there Uh they 313 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: they have a organization day, which is which is two 314 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: weeks after the first Tuesday in in uh in November, 315 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: and and so uh they're they're really right now because 316 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: they don't have consensus, because the governor hasn't made the decision. 317 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: And remember this is the legislature that had to experience 318 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: Governor Holcomb's seventy executive orders during COVID, where he was 319 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: he was calling all the shots and and and you 320 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: know this governor has had his share of executive orders, 321 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: but not as focused in on something like COVID. 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Talking about this redistricting in this article, Jim 358 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: Scheller wrote in the IBJ about his conversation with Rod Bray, 359 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: the pro tem of the Senate, but he won't even 360 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: offer his own opinion on it, Like what's the harm 361 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: in saying, hey, look, I'm not for this, but I 362 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: understand there are some people who are. You know, I 363 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: support the conversation. I mean, like, what why I mean 364 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: when I look at someone who is one of the 365 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: arguably two or three most powerful people in our state, 366 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: Rod Bray, the pro tem of the Senate, and he 367 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: gives some mealy mouthed answer like that, tell me where 368 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: you're at on it, just because you know you're against it? Maybe, hey, 369 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, overwhelming I'm hearing the rest of our people 370 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: are for it. So I'm gonna allow that to go 371 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: forward and then we'll see where they're Like, why are 372 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: they so afraid to even say where they're at on it? 373 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: Well? Well, Sam Bray has had a has had a time. 374 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: He he's got a caucus that is much different than 375 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: when I was there. Uh, it's there. There are a 376 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: lot of personalities. You've got, you got you have rivalries 377 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: inside the caucus. You've got all this upset You're you're 378 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: trying to herd the cats and and UH, I would 379 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: imagine sarir Bray if he had that interview to do 380 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: over again and we've all been there, he would say 381 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: something completely different. This is this is a gentleman who 382 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: has been to the White House, UH with with the 383 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: Speaker and with member many members of his caucus, sat 384 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: in the Oval office. UH, talk to the right Vice President, 385 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: came to Indiana, talked to him. They've had extreme pressure 386 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: placed on them from people in Washington for one seat, 387 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: for one congressional seat. And one thing that we haven't 388 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: that we haven't recalled yet is that this legislature in 389 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one drew up congressional seats and seats for 390 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: their for themselves for the House of Represents the Indiana 391 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 3: sent that no one sued on. They were very proud 392 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: of these congressional seats and so they believe that those 393 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 3: congressional seats stand the test of time. And so that 394 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 3: is another pressure that there there. They have congressional districts 395 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: that are they're very proud of that make a lot 396 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: of sense on both sides of the aisle. 397 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: Okay, we've got about five minutes left in the show, 398 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: so I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about this 399 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: has happened. After we had recorded State House happenings Last 400 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: week on our Kendall and Casey program weekdays nine to 401 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: noon on WIBC, we had Aaron Sheridan on. She's a 402 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: former senior advisor to the Governor of the Lieutenant governor 403 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: rather Micah Beck with and she described in great detail 404 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: that she is at least one of the people who 405 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: has claimed to have seen the artificial intelligence pornography. We 406 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: don't know if there are more, but she is a 407 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: person who claims to have seen the artificial intelligence pornography 408 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: in Lieutenant Governor's office. And I thought it was a 409 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: fascinating interview because she said many things. She described it 410 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: in detail, how she saw it, what was going on, 411 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: et cetera. But she said two things that were very interesting. 412 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: One she claimed the guys who were sharing it, who 413 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: she says, are the guys who were cited in the 414 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: Tom Lobianco piece that kicked this whole thing off. Said 415 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: the Lieutenant governor knew about the video. And she said, 416 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: you reported it to Micah Beck with Chief of Staff 417 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: Sherry Ellis, and nothing was done about it. You heard 418 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: the interview, sau. 419 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: Well, well, first of all, when Jimmy Carter came to 420 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: the presidency, he brought everybody from Georgia with him and 421 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: what they called the Georgia mafia. Uh and and as 422 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: a staff and and you can see how that turned out. 423 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: He he he worked very hard. We all know that, 424 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: we know he was a nuclear scientist, but his administration 425 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: was so unprepared and so bad that he was a 426 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 3: one term president. And you know, you can talk about 427 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: the economy, you can talk about everything, but his staff 428 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 3: work was terrible and and and and it goes the 429 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: same with being governor. You and being lieutenant governor, you 430 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: are your staff and and there is a certain technique, 431 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: there's a certain elegance, there's a certain way of having 432 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: people around you that are professional, that that understand the 433 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: the importance of your office and it and when Aaron 434 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: and Aaron said, Aaron Sheridan said in the interview that 435 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 3: it seemed like a frat house atmosphere, it just struck 436 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: It strikes me that it's just a very unserious staff. 437 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: And I believe everything that Aaron says. She's a quality individual, 438 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: and why would she say something different, And so that 439 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: those interviews were I knew I'd heard, and I knew 440 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: what was going in on, but but Aaron coming across 441 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: on the airwaves on your show kind of confirmed to 442 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: me that it's just a very very unserious situation. And 443 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a circus atmosphere in the Lieutenant 444 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: Governor's office. 445 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: Why does nobody do anything? The legislature does They don't. Look. 446 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: I get he's elected, he being Mica beck With is elected, 447 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: so he's got his own protections, et cetera. But the 448 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: governor like goes out of his way not to say anything. 449 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: The legislature, the General Assembly, they don't say anything. Everybody 450 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: knows what this guy is. And it's not just the 451 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: alleged actions, it's the blatant dishonesty. How many lies have 452 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: we caught this guy in. We just caught him on 453 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: a on a more related to this, to this topic 454 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: about where he tried to claim he didn't know who 455 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: wrote the piece on Woe Woe and then he clearly 456 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: said on Hammer and Nigel, which are right. New he'd 457 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 2: spent a whole day with La Bianco by the time 458 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: this piece had come out. So why does anybody do anything? 459 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: About minute and a half left. 460 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think, I think first of all, I think, 461 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: but the only person that could really have some sort 462 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: of impact on this would be the Attorney General, who 463 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: would threaten a serious study of this. The the the 464 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 3: legislature isn't going to do anything about it because they 465 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: really don't have any type police or enforcement. Uh. 466 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: They might be able to have opinions on everything, they 467 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: haven't got no opinion on this. 468 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'm certain they have opinions and and uh uh. 469 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: Some of the goofaws that have come from the Indiana 470 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 3: Senate Caucus about how the lieutenant governor presided this last session. 471 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: They they've they've opined, they've had meetings with him, but 472 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: there's really no enforcements. And so the enforcement is really 473 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: the the the convey in twenty twenty eight, should they 474 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: run for re election and it should the delegates want 475 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: to renominate the lieutenant governor. That is really what they're 476 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: pointing towards as to the enforcement of it, because they 477 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: just don't want to make a decision on this. 478 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: Well, one thing I'm going to do is renominate you 479 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: to be. 480 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: Back with us next week. Looking forward to it. 481 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: Jim Merritt, You're the best. Thank you. 482 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 3: Thank you. 483 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Jim Dalton, President and CEO of Daymar. 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The Honeysuckle Hill bestro In Cottage feature some 497 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: of the best made from scratch food in the state, 498 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: and their chicken and pork is raised right here in Indiana. 499 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: The Honeysuckle Hill bestro In Cottage is open five to 500 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: eight Friday and Saturday and Sunday, featuring their incredible breakfast 501 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: buffet from eleven to two for more information call eight 502 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: one two four four three three zero zero three. State 503 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: House Happenings also wants to thank our fine friends at 504 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: Freedom Foods Indiana. Farmer Ryan Schliman and the folks at 505 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: Freedom Foods Indiana have been delivering fresh fruits and vegetables 506 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: right to people's doors for years and Freedom Foods Indiana 507 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: is a big supporter of State House Happenings. Now, Freedom 508 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: Foods Indiana has some big things coming. We can't wait 509 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: to tell you all about it in the near future. 510 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: Right now, though, we just want to say thanks to 511 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: our friends at Freedom Foods Indiana for supporting State House Happenings. 512 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: Rob Kendall Jim Merritt. The program at State House Happening 513 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: is your weekly look at what's going on with Indiana 514 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: politics and government. You can find Jim on Twitter at 515 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: Jim Underscore Merit at Jim Underscore Merit and Jim also 516 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: has a podcast. It's called Merit in the Morning Merit 517 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: in the Morning and you can find it by searching 518 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: for it on YouTube as well as Facebook. Me I'm 519 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: on Twitter at Robim Kendall at Robim Kendall and you 520 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: can hear me weekdays nine until noon weekdays nine until 521 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: noon the Kendall and Casey Show on ninety three point 522 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: one WIBC, And as always, we want to thank each 523 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: of you for tuning into State House Happenings each week. 524 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: We couldn't do it without you. Thank you as well 525 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: to our fabulous sponsors, daymar Services, the Honeysuckle Hill Bistro 526 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: and Freedom Foods Indiana. And like we said, without you, 527 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: there is no US. So from the bottom of our hearts, 528 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: thanks for listening each week. That's gonna do a process 529 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: this week for Jim Merritt. I'm Rob Kendall. You've been 530 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: listening to State House Happenings.