WEBVTT - Brokeback Mountain (20th Anniversary) 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.360 What's up y'all. Be sure to tap into our YouTube channel. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 On December twenty first, at two pm Eastern Standard time, 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.200 we will be reviewing James Cameron's latest release, Avatar, Fire 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:11.920 and Ash. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.400 As the Avatar series adds its third. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.200 Installment, we would discuss the film itself and if it 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.960 needs to continue. 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Next 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:55.360 to Ken, I have Rod, and this is an anniversary film. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.200 I don't remember what the year was or whatever, but 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.880 we are covering eight years twenty five years come a 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.720 twenty five year classic film, Broke Back Mountain. This was 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.600 one of Spike's suggestions, and I'm gonna start off with you, Spikes. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.440 Why do you like this movie so much? Why did 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.919 you suggest we do it? I have never seen this movie. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.360 I did not suggest it Where did this suggestion come from? 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.479 I really don't know. I think it was twenty five 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.320 year anniversary, that's why. But who picked this? Nobody had 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.240 to pigot. It just happened. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.760 We usually picking anniversary for no no. I feel like 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.000 this was for just came, no pun attended. I feel 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.600 like this was forced, This was forced upon us. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.720 I mean, it's fine, it's fine. You liked it, it 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.000 was okay. Really I didn't hate it. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:53.080 Okay, interesting day had a lot of interesting opinions today. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:54.400 Ken, what did you think of this movie? 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.200 I think it's one of those movies where you watch 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.960 it once you're good. Yep, you know, you get the 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.680 story is good, it plays out. I think it did 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.440 a good you know, it was definitely a moment in 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.800 time when it released all those years ago. But I 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.400 think overall is the story. I think it were he 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:20.280 drafting spots, you know, but yeah, rewatching it, it was like, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.919 oh my god, it was slow as fuck. But but no, 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.680 overall it's good. It's a good love story. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:35.840 Okay, was it a slow ass fuck for you? Rob Christ? 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:45.600 Like Spike, I had never used sty I've avoided twenty 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:51.320 five years. I've avoided this just I just had I 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.560 didn't feel like this movie was for me. I just 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.080 feel like this wasn't something that. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.560 You like love stories, right, and how you know it's 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:06.720 not for you unless you try it something. I just know, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.240 you know what I'm saying, y'all. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.560 Y'all all have seen the other movie Don't Move, like right, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.760 so that's to your point whatever, So like, uh so, yeah, 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:21.079 like like it wasn't I've always heard what the premise 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.880 of the movie, so I was like, okay, yeah, you 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.120 know that that's I'm not rushing to go see that, 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.440 especially like I'm just not I just never had any 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.760 I won't say I won't have any desire because it's 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:30.400 a filmmaker. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.680 I had desire because of all the nominations and received. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.640 I was like, okay, I probably should see this film 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.080 as a as an aspiring filmmaker myself. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.560 Like so, I thought it was done really well. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.600 Actually I thought it was I thought it was beautifully done. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.640 And at this point, we've seen so much stuff like this, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.680 you know what I'm saying. When this came out twenty 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.960 five years ago, I don't think it was like now 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.440 we're desensitized to this type of you know, movie or whatever. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.840 I've seen it in TV shows like I said, Moonlight, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.600 like it's it's been so many different things that I've 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.760 seen stuff like this in or relations like this, and 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.360 so yeah, I'm just known to I just watched Call 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.000 Me by Her Name or whatever, like you know what 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.400 I'm saying. Like, so at this point, it's like, okay, yeah, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.280 back then, I just you know, I just didn't have 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.200 any interest in watching something like this. I just didn't. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.719 But they did. Really, it's it's it's it's. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.120 Done really well. It's done really well. I'm glad I 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.479 finally got around and watching it. And yeah, I'm with Ken. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.000 It's it's you know, I watched it. I'm done. You know, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.919 if I was to watch it again, it'll be specifically 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:47.960 for to to figure out or to uh as a reference. Right, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.719 things they were doing with long shots and and just 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.599 certain different cinematography. I know that sounds crazy, but they 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.919 did it. They did a really good job with spacing 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.839 and and composition in this movie. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.800 It was so good. It was really good. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.160 Like the sheep herding this stuff, like those scenes were 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.280 really good. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:20.960 All right, this might be unexpected. I hate this movie. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.760 I've never liked this movie. I have always thought this 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:33.880 movie is fucking terrible. This is my second time watching it. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.200 I watched it right when it came out, and I 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.480 did not like this at all. I always it always 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.480 made me feel like this movie seems like it was 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.560 made by straight people to give the impression of what 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.719 a gay relationship is, and it always it makes It 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.680 gives me the same feeling of white reviewers listening to 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.520 like Pepper Butterfly and then being like like, oh, now 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.039 I understand the black experience. That's how it feels, you 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.119 know what I mean? But yeah, I don't like this movie. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.120 I don't like the acting. I don't like the story 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.520 it is. I don't know for a fact, of course, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.839 but how I would interpret this type of relationship to happen. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.840 This is unbelievably unrealistic. It does look like. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.760 We'll get there. There is a very specific part where 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.520 it turned me off for the whole film. I was like, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.599 that doesn't make any sense. That makes less than no sense. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.080 What in the hell is going on right now? We 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:41.680 you shut up, it's a better question for you, fucking stupid. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.800 Anyway, we're gonna go ahead and get into it. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.640 Nineteen sixty three, ya, actually, before we even go. The 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.320 names were enough for me to be like that, what 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.400 Jack and Eni Twist us? The man's name is Enis 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.719 bro what are we doing us? You combined Penis and 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.200 Anus made a name out of it, so it just 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.360 seems like a troll. I think it's Ennis, But if 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.360 you look at it, it's just like what why why? 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.200 I just look at that. I think you're reaching with 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.520 that one. Damn, I'm just saying rude as hell I 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:19.920 was earlier. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.840 I immediately apologized to Ken acknowledge that. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:26.720 His head. 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:33.760 Damn, I'm still mad. I shot on his boufaril Okay, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:34.120 all right? 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:34.520 Anyway. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.760 Nineteen sixty three, uh Rod's Maine man, Enis del Mar 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.320 and Jack Twist are hired to go hurd some sheep 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.520 throughout broke Back Mountain, and afterwards they meet up at 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.320 a bar and tell each other about themselves. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.600 What did you think about Enis and Jack? Ken? Ennis 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.000 and Jack quiet reserved. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.960 It seemed like Jack was more interested in him than 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.640 the other way around. It was interesting like when he 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.520 got out of the truck. There was a shot that 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.520 they had where he was at a circle looking at 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.840 him in the mirror. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:12.440 Something. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.360 There was some questionable shots that they were doing. I 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.720 wondered if they were doing that intentionally, Like when he 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.360 was drinking the beer bottle and looking at. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:28.680 I was like, it was he didn't put a little 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.040 too much mouth. That's not reaching. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.600 That's not reaching. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.240 It is some of the ship looked like watching it, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.240 I was like, wait a minute the first time, but 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.640 now I'm like, beause. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:42.680 Why they showing sheep asses? 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:48.320 Like I was just like, come on, come on it 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:50.119 a sheep. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.720 Like, I said, you know what, I'm just adding this 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.160 to it. I don't read this. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.840 I say that to say that I'm adding it to 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:58.840 it's not there. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.360 Yeah, but but nah, it was interesting to see just 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.520 like how distant they were from one another in the 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.680 beginning of the movie, very reluctant. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.280 Yeah, they did it visually and. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.840 Audibly, right, So I thought that was that that's a 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.880 good point because that was a note of mine that 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.480 I had, Like they showed like how separate they were 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:26.120 audibly and and physically, and then it gets gradually closer 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.400 and closer and closer with dialogue as well. All of 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.000 that wasn't, I'm sure obviously intentional, And I and I 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.240 and I and I did. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.120 Really like that. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.800 Spike, where'd you think about the conversation that Ennis and 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.600 Jack were having. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.640 At the bar? Skip to the bar already? I didn't skip. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:46.640 That's the part we're at. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 After they meet, they go to a bar, like literally, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.560 they get hired on and they go to a bar. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.080 That's why I asked. That's why I asked. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.240 Yeah, I thought so, like, this is how it going 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.760 down on the ranches and stuff, is how they get 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.080 to it. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.320 I ain't never seen this on Yellowstone. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:16.200 And it just brown, but some similar to what abof 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.240 kena Rodd said. You could tell how distant they were, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.640 reluctant they wore to talk to each other, and then 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.560 that wall just kind of broke down. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.679 M hmm, Yeah, I was so. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.600 I liked the story that Ennis tells about his parents 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.920 how they died in a car accident. I mean, it 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.600 was a random story, but it sounds real that my 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.480 parents were driving around curb, they didn't realize it was 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.600 that sharp of a curb and they fucking died. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.880 But then watching it this second time, I didn't know. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.839 This is the first time, but this time I was like, oh, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.120 Jack keeps asking about beating in a rodeo and riding 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.920 horses and shit, and I was like, I didn't realize 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.640 it until this one. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.240 But I think this was new for Ennis. It was 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.280 not new for Jack. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.520 I think Jack already had these feelings and I don't 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.880 think I picked up on that the first time I 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.800 watched it. I did think that one of them was 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:04.840 more experience. I picked up differently Jack definitely, he was initiated. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.120 So this is the part that I was getting to 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.320 that I didn't I didn't really like. So after night 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.520 of drinking in some really cool weather, Jack makes a 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.239 move on Ennis and after a little bit of resistance 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.120 and it's gives them the penis. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:26.640 That's what That's what he was like. I'm about It's like, 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.520 y'all can have this part of the conversation. I didn't 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.640 want to discuss this point. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:36.120 What did y'all think about, uh, this scene in particular, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.200 as well as the romantic emotional relationship that they developed 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.120 while they were on the mountain. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.160 I'll start with you Rod. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.280 Yeah, man, this ship like it it felt like it 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.360 came out of nowhere. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.160 I was like, oh it was. It's like because I 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.719 feel like, no matter what I say, it's going to 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.320 sound fucked up. I know, it's coming. It's like I 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:57.120 know it's coming. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.440 I know it's coming. Like you've heard it, heard about it. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.000 I've heard about it my whole life. It's not my 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.360 whole life, but part of the whole twenty five years 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.439 that it's been off. I've always heard that it, you know, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.080 about the scenes or whatever, so I know at some 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.160 point it's gonna happen or whatever. But that shit still 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.800 caught me off guard. It's still like, I'm like, what 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.720 the fuck that escalated so quickly or whatever? And then 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.320 like I was like, oh shit, was that a dream? 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.040 This whole time has been a dream? Because they wake 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.160 up and it looked like they were still in the 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.920 same position. Do you see that motherfucker buckler up its pants? 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.960 I was like, Oh, what fuck? That shit did happen? 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.920 And so so yeah, uh so, yeah, escalated quickly is 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:43.000 one of the first things I thought. I thought it 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:48.160 did it. It reminded me kind of of the stuff 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.920 that you hear about, like jail or whatever, like you're 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.560 in these situations for so. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.880 Long with men or whatever, so maybe you just dog 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.719 is it usually read? I don't know. I mean this 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:01.320 kind of was. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.800 This was not rape. It was it was aggressive. Though 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.040 it was very aggressive, he didn't seem like he wanted it. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.800 He took you serious, he took it. He he initiated it. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.240 Jack seemed like he forced to force the situation. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.280 He forced his booty on his deck. Were all talking 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.640 about what I'm saying, is. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.360 It Yeah, you're probably right, But initially it seemed like 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.280 Jack like, yo, man, come in the tent or whatever. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:27.839 You know what I'm saying. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.480 This motherfucker wanted to stay in in the freezing cold 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.560 and the sleeping there with that man, and he kept 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.320 telling to come in or whatever, and then he pulled 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:37.719 his hand around. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.200 Or that. Later yeah, yeah, yeah, he pulled his hand 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:42.960 around him or whatever. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.640 You walk up like what the fuck you doing or whatever, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:49.439 and so at that point it's like, all right, can't 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.560 like I don't want this, so but he kept coming close, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:53.839 like no, you do, you do? 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.600 So it just felt forced. That felt forced to me. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.000 That don't feel forced if it's somebody say clearly like 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:01.959 I don't want to do this. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.320 He didn't say clearly, I don't want what? 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:03.560 What? 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:03.480 What? 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.560 What? His action showed clearly I don't want to do this. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.600 Yeah, But I think I think equating this to to rape. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.079 I'm not never equating it to ray let me let 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.760 me just back it up. I'm not equating it to rape. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.599 It just seemed a little forced to me. It's like 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.320 he didn't want it. He did, he didn't want it. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:20.040 Sounds like rape. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.960 It does sound like rape, So so you're equating it 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.960 to rape. It didn't, but didn't seem it didn't. Yes, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.080 now they flipped it like what Ken is saying. They 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.680 flipped it once. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.560 He was like, all right, maybe I do want this, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.400 and so he turned him around and he was the 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:40.600 aggress save. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.520 Or whatever I think it was supposed to be pushing 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.560 this idea of Jack was picking up signals from Ennis. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.400 And when they got in the tent and he tried 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.640 to pull his arm over and it was at first 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:52.640 like no, man, what are you doing? 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.240 And Jack was like, no, I think you you you 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:56.800 know you want it. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.560 And there was like this weird like struggle thing, and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.160 then pretty quickly and it's was like all right, ship. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.080 Let's go. They did this in Ozark too, remember the 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.800 same type of way with the FBI and. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.480 The yeah I don't remember, oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:11.960 oh yeah, I knew you remember in the hotel. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nineteen sixty three cowboys. Yeah. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.880 This this made it seem like that's a reoccurring thing 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.240 that happens where they are. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.000 No, well, it's just the sixties, that sort of behavior 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.160 being closeted. You know, I'm not like that, because that 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.680 was one of they say, I let you know, I'm 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:31.160 not queer. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.640 Is that I'm not either? You know, it was closetive though, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.800 well Jack probably wasn't. No, everybody here was. Y'all were 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.240 closing eyes. Jack was a little bit. Jack was a 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:44.000 little bit more. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.560 Well, yeah, I guess you're right they were because and 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.480 it was like you like, which I thought was a 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.840 really good scene towards the end, it's it's like you did. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.880 This to me. But either way, I'm jumping today. I 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.960 think that they thought they were gay. They thought this 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.040 was just a thing that they. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.560 Did, which is what you mean about jail, because people 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.080 say that about jail, like Italians say that, like they 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.080 said that in the Sopranos, Like I mean, if you're 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.600 inside for ten years, what are you supposed to do? 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.640 They weren't out there that long, y'all. They were lonely, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:15.920 and they were by themselves. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.040 Sure, but I feel like that's what they were trying 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.640 to say. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.640 I do think there wasn't a lot of build up. 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.880 It wasn't no, but I think that's what they were 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.520 trying to say though. But that would be the opposite 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.440 of what. Okay, we're gonna do this argument again, We're 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.760 gonna go around a certain I feel what you're saying. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.680 I just don't think it's it's I don't think the equation. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.480 Again, it's my perspective. That's what I thought about. I 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:43.080 thought about similar to jail. Okay, jail thought because a 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.400 lot of those dudes come out and they're like, oh, 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.680 well it was just jail. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.680 Yes, but they don't then carry on romantic relationships. That's 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:50.760 why I'm saying it's not the same. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.680 Maybe maybe maybe they do, maybe they don't. We don't know. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:17:04.880 Typically they don't. How do you know? I'm not mean, Okay, Ken, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.000 what did you think about the scene? 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:12.200 Them motherfucker's out there getting buck wild Bro, And once 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.600 it went down, both of them were all in. They 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.920 out there wrestling and ship grab ass Bro. They were 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.120 out there having him a good ass Broy. Yeah, that's 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.120 when Randy Quaid Aguar pulled up. It's like, what the 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.280 they were going crazy? 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:30.520 It was hating. 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.320 Had none, you know, it was it was definitely like, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.239 you know, we didn't see it. I didn't see it 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.480 unless y'all saw something different to where Jack had signs 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.800 that in us would be receptive to that. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.840 I think he was trying them out, and I think 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.600 that this is kind of what dudes do, whether it's 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.440 with another guy or a woman. You try a couple 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.200 of things out and see if it works. And that's 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.919 what I'm saying. All his all his advances were rejected. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.480 He only had one advance, was the one, the one 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.800 the other one on the first ones when he's trying 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.479 to get blood off his head and ship dab his 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.520 head and give me that fucking rag, I'll do it myself. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.760 In the moon she was it was, Yes, it was. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.080 If I came over. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.240 After he got after he got his head busted open, 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:23.600 I would expect you to want to help. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.080 You want me to on y'all, you would do that 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.159 a fucking lately. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:34.800 Absolutely, Yeah, my best bucket. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.640 His head opened on a cabinet and the first thing 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.320 I did because he was like, oh my god, it 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:39.840 was bleeding. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:41.720 It doesn't matter. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.520 The first thing I did was I grabbed a rag 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.280 and I was like, hold your head up, hold your 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.480 head up, and I was trying to clean the best friend. Sure, 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.080 but this is this is I would well, I'm glad 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.280 to know that if any of y'all ever get because 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.520 if you got your head busted open and you're like, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.160 oh my god, I would absolutely go try to grab 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:58.760 a rag and be like, hold your head back, let 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.720 me see how deep it is. I would absolutely do that. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.239 I would absolutely do that. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.200 But I didn't know y'all were so like weird about 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.080 male touch that you don't freak out about that. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.560 If I see if I seem fine enough to dap 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.520 my head myself, Like I could see if I'm like 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.640 just kind of like unconscious or whatever and I need 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:17.359 some assistance. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.040 But he seemed perfectly fine to just do the shit himself. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.399 That's all I'm saying. I didn't take it as an 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:23.639 I didn't take it as an advance. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.879 It seemed in the in the context of the movie, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.800 it looked like an advance to me, all right. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:29.760 But. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.359 Yeah, seeing him accept that, you know, that was something 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.040 he was interested in and really pretty much going all 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:43.280 the way in bro like turning him around. And I 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.320 wonder if he was doing that to make it seem like, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.000 you know, he was the one that was in control 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:53.359 of the situation and instead of the other way around. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.919 But yeah, that was the only thing. It was like, Okay, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.600 well this was sudden because he didn't want to sleep 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.400 in the ten you know, it just was cold as fuck. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:03.919 He didn't want to sleep in the tent because he 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.639 thought that was gay. Oh I didn't think that that 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.040 was it, because why else would he not want to 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.920 sleep in the tent. It's fucking freezing outside. He was 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.480 just like, I'm not sharing a temp with no man, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:15.040 right he said that. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.600 He didn't say that. No, no, no, he didn't say that. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.880 It's yeah, it's definitely one person ten, so a little 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.560 snuggle is natural, man. But yeah, I still vividly remember 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.760 the first time I watched this movie. I was done. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.320 After this, I was like, this is stupid because my 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.679 first thought is this can't be how this would happen, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.320 because how do you immediately know who is giving versus 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:46.159 who's getting. There was no discussion. Moonlight did this so 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:51.960 much better. I understand. Y'all on a beach, get a 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.760 handy you realize this is what you know, this is 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:56.680 what I like, and then for the rest of your life, 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.080 your fot you're trying to search for that feeling. This 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.680 was just like y'all just immediately go to oh, turnaround what. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:07.560 And I know, I know y'all gonna bug out and 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:08.320 think it sounds weird. 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.560 But if I was watching and if it started off 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.120 with a blowjob or something, I'd be like, Okay, this 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:14.280 makes more sense to me. 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:19.200 But immediately going to turn around what And it looked 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:20.480 like he did it before too. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.600 Right because he spilled his hand and just went I 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.160 was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, minute, this 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:25.040 this seems weird. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.520 That's why to me it felt like a movie. 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.920 And I'm pretty sure Angy is queer, but that's why 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.119 to me, it felt like a movie that was written 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.280 by straight people about how they think this happens, because. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.680 This is probably how your average straight person thinks, like, oh. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.440 They just round the ten hett fucking my anass. That 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.320 doesn't make sense to me. It really does. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.640 Like I said, it did seem brupt, but I guess 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.359 if I'm trying to give it, give it Grayson, like, Okay, 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.159 it could possibly happen like because it could be like 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.160 one of those things like I'm not even gonna think 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:54.320 about the shit, I'm just gonna do it. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.679 But why would Jack immediately spin around like he like 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:00.879 Enna's turning you around to me just yanked his and 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.080 he was like, okay, cool, what what? And if we're 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.600 supposed to believe that these are two men discovering their 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:12.960 sexuality or discovering what they may like, it just seemed 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.840 weird that there wasn't. 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.399 Any kind of conversation nothing. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:23.160 It was just blow bam and and if I'm being 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.480 a little grad, it went in real easy. I would 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.400 think there'd be a little It's like, are y'all trying 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.320 to make this movie realistic or not? 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.600 Even if he had I it doesn't. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.600 I'm not even it doesn't seem like it seemed like 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:40.639 a no experience for him. 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.200 No, it just seemed like, you know, it didn't go in. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.320 He spit on his hand and went and that was it. 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:50.240 In a fresh. 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.359 Boekend, it seemed like it was a struggle, but I 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:58.440 didn't see, well the struggle was before he went into blue. Yeah, 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.000 it just seemed it just seemed weird to me. It 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.399 seemed like maybe the studio got involved and was like, 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.320 you know, let's make this kind of shocking. I don't 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.359 I didn't really need shocking watching this movie. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.800 It was definitely was one of the most controversial moments 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.960 back in that time, and talked about scenes. 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:22.840 To see something like this on in a theater, I 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.840 think that, Yeah, I'm with you. It was. It caught 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:28.800 a lot of people love guard. They were like, what 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:29.159 was it? 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.280 Twenty five years later, knowing what's supposed to happen still 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:34.160 caught me off guard. 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.000 It just irritates me because I mean, there's so many 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.400 movies like you said, Call Me by Your Name or Moonlight, 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.119 those movies do this story or uh, let's stay out 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:48.200 the movie with Elliott Page. Fuck, I can't remember the 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.920 name of it. But there's there's so many Huh. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.440 Maybe they've learned, maybe they've gotten better. 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.560 But you would think a queer person writing this story 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:02.600 would not make it so abrupt like this hollow watching 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.480 it even again the first time, and this time, I'm 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.000 just like, this doesn't make any sense, y'all, But you 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.720 gotta just kind of let it go. But but yeah, 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.640 so moving forward, the contract ends, Jack and and it's 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:18.400 go their separate, their separate ways. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.160 Oh, I'm sorry I left the part out. 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.399 They were playing a little, like I said earlier, a 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:30.560 little a little playhouse fighting, and uh, they get rough 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:35.240 and Jack ends up busting and it's his nose, which 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:36.919 kind of led them to a sort of fight. But 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.280 then they move past that pretty quick when the contract 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.879 ends and they go their separate ways. I'm gonna have 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:43.680 to start skipping over stuff because it's getting long. 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:52.120 But come on, man, damn real quickly. I'm only ask 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.760 one of y'all, whoever wants to take this stop, Spike, 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.040 go outside. I told y'all. 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.520 I told y'all, no matter how you say something, it's 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:03.000 gonna be. 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:03.680 I'm not asking this Spike. 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.479 I'm gonna ask Ken, because ros long winded, what did 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.920 you what did you take of the scene of Ennis 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.960 breaking down and puking in the in the in the 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.000 alleyway heartbroken? 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.359 Is that what he was? Oh? You thought it was 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.080 he was disgusted. I thought he was sickened of what 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:21.000 just happened. 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.920 And I think he was wrestling with Oh my god, 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:25.400 this just happened. 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.080 This dude left and I'm feeling longing for him, and 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.280 he just got sick. Well, I think, well, yeah. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:37.760 I thought he was like, okay, So there was the fight, yeah, 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.119 which I think was him also still trying to reject 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.760 that side because now they're about to come down to 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.880 they about to go to the real world. Now they're 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.639 living in this they're away from everybody. This is fantasy. 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.560 He even told him, the only thing that matters is us. 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.080 It's nobody else's business. But now you're going back to 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.920 the real world where you're judged. We didn't know at 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.280 the time he had this story that his dad, you 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.240 know about with dad. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:02.640 We didn't know any of that. 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.199 Maybe that could have been planned, but I felt like 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.080 when they got down and there wasn't a further discussion 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.639 about like what do we do next, him having to 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.439 go marry this woman he probably don't want to marry, 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:16.280 and him walking away from him. 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:22.320 Because Chatcha pulled the fuck off. He seemed like and 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:23.880 you know, it was just like, bro, that's it. 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.879 And then it was just like he was heartbroken, like 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.520 that world is over, that I no longer have that anymore, 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.359 and now I gotta go live a life that I 0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:34.840 probably really don't want to live. 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:35.400 See. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.480 I took it the opposite way. I took it as 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.359 he was like, I cannot believe that just happened. Now 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.960 I'm questioning every single thing about myself. And then he 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.160 just got sick from it. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:47.240 Yeah, okay, but. 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.119 I don't know, you know, I don't know who's right here, 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.159 who's wrong. So Ennis ends up marrying his girlfriend, Alma 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:57.480 has two kids. What did y'all think about the sex 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.200 scene between Ennis and his wife Alma? 0:26:59.240 --> 0:26:59.840 Do you I remember this? 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.000 I do remember that, and I thought it was it 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.959 was interesting because I was like, Okay, how is this 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.960 gonna play out? And he didn't want to look at her. 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:11.200 He turned around like he was doing Jack, and even 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.040 it seemed like on her face that that happens a 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.400 lot because she was like in it, and she looked 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.800 like she was like bro like because they were face 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.400 to face and she wanted that intimacy of look at him, 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:23.719 and he was like, nah, he flipped hers around. 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.680 I had it that way one time and it was good. 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:27.040 Let me try to get it again. 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.120 Yeah. I thought this was actually a. 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.040 Really interesting scene, the way he spun her around and 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.480 he was rough with her, the same way he was 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.080 kind of rough with with Jack. But I think Jack 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:40.320 could just take it better. Y what'd you think of that? 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.199 Seems fun? I thought it was indicative of the. 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:50.520 Indive Why are y'all like this? Why are y'all like 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.480 all the words? He did that on purpose? He did 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.480 that on purpose? Man forget it, Jesus christ Man. 0:27:58.840 --> 0:27:59.119 Jack. 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.440 After being told by a geary that there's no work 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.160 for him, he moves back to Texas, where he meets 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.280 Loreene Newsome. Yes, Stem and the Rose, I could look 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.840 it up, but I still couldn't find a solid definition 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:09.159 for it. 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:10.720 I did the same thing. 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.119 I looked it up, but apparently a thing for what 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:14.919 I saw was just specific to this movie and they 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:15.639 kind of made it up. 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.920 See, So I went further and I did find other 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.480 references outside of this movie, but typically it just means. 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:22.160 They're goofing off. 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.640 Because watching the movie the first time and this time, 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.919 I was like, Stem and the Rose must be some 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.000 kind of reference to being gay, That's what I thought. 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:31.879 But it sounds like he was just saying, no, I'm 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.880 not paying you, because remember they got there the couple 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.280 of the sheep killed because they weren't paying attention. 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:39.400 They were too busy fucking. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:41.480 So I think it was more to him just being 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:45.400 like y'all were goofing off not paying attention. But any listeners, 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.560 if you have a different explanation, please let me know. 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.040 But but yeah, he meets Loreene news from the daughter 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.760 of a wealthy agricultural agricultural machinery manufacturer. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.120 They get married and they have a son. 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.920 But after four years past, Jack reaches out to Ennis 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.240 and they meet up at Ennis in Alma's place. Rod, 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.479 what did you think about what went down when they 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:07.120 see each other. 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.400 Yeah, I thought that was crazy. I thought it was 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.480 crazy that he immediately out. 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:17.320 In the in the in the open, like attacked this 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:19.320 ass or whatever, and they was just right on the 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:24.320 side of the apartment, like you know, liked kissing and 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.840 shit like that's just stupid. 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.200 Yeah, it was done like you're it's sixty three, so 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.520 it's probably sixty seven or something. It was like a 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:36.040 burning desire is the word that I thought about when 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.840 I saw it, even that, like you know if and 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.440 I know he looked around first, but come on, man. 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:43.600 Yeah it's right there. 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.640 Especially you got like, oh family and stuff, now that's right, yeah, right. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.920 Yes, it's like they wrote that so she could see 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.240 him and kick off the rest of the movie. 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:54.719 There you go. 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.479 This is another scene that I absolutely despised in this film, 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.880 and this it ship like this that makes me not 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.040 be able to enjoy it because it's so unrealistic. If 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:05.760 you have, I know, you haven't seen this dude in 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.640 a long time, and you've been aching. 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.960 For his kiss. You know your wife is right there. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.840 Why would you do this right and eyeside of the door? 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:20.480 It makes no sense. They are the worst downlow, closeted 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:25.520 gaze in the fucking universe. Because this didn't make any sense. 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.040 It would have made far more sense if they went 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.360 around the corner and did it and then she just 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.000 happened to come down the stairs looking for them, yep. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.760 But to do it right in front of the door, Yeah, yeah. 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:39.400 I think they were just showing, Like I said, I 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.520 think they were just showing the burning desire, like yo, 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.360 I can't like I've been so because how long have 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:44.960 been five. 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.600 Years or four years? Four years? 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.760 And it was just like he can't even control himself 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:54.960 to that point that I'm gonna do this right here 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.720 out in the open, right at the bottom steps of 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:58.160 my house. 0:30:58.280 --> 0:30:58.960 I didn't like it. 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.200 I didn't like it either, especially with how he's lying 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.080 to his wife the whole time about what's going on. 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.479 It's like, but you just fucking kissed him, made out 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:06.960 with him right in front of the door, and then y'all 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.240 came in. Yeah, this is. 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:19.200 What the music they play. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.720 This is another thing that I hate about. 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.400 I don't know if y'all even notice, but every single 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.800 time they see each other, it's this. 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.920 Like sensitive guitar part. It's so corny. 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.520 But it worked, though it did not work for me. 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:33.560 I hated it. 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.120 This shit sucks, man, because they made it seem like 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.200 it's just a regular love story if even well it 0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.240 is a regular I know, that's what I'm saying that 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.280 that was that's what would happen, That you would have 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.480 that type of music playing and it would be cheesy, 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.360 and people would be like, this is fucking cheesy even 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:51.320 if you watch love stories. 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.400 Now they don't do that anymore. Do you think people 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.720 are scared to say that? Because yes, one hundred and 0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.960 ten percent. Yes, scared to say what? Scared to say 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:01.560 they don't like. 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:06.280 You see it seems like it's anti LGBTQ because I've gotten. 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:06.600 Called out for that. 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.440 They're like, really, it was like, dude, me not liking 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.960 this film has nothing to do with my support of 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.120 the queer community. I just think this movie sucks. I've 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.600 never liked this movie. I've always thought it was bad, 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.760 cheesy and boring and completely unrealistic. 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.000 That part worked for me, but I like cheesy stuff. 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.520 You would love to have more content from frames per second. 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.160 Become a patron where you can contribute to what we 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.400 review and discuss. 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Alrighty, what 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.320 did y'all think about the story that Ennis tells about 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.239 the body that his father showed him. 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.560 I start with you, King, because you were kind of 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:13.880 hinting at that earlier. 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.280 Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was a 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:21.320 really good, interesting story that he told, and even the 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:26.240 visual of like the blood in the in the genital area. 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.440 I was like, dang, like that that was really abusive. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.560 And taking the dad like the dad especially talking about 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.320 that story had to happen in the fifties, forties, fifties, 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.040 and showing the kids and basically trying to scare it 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.240 out of them, you know, and say this is. 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.960 What happened to you if you are gay. 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.000 Yeah, So I thought that that was that was an 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:54.760 interesting story that eventually came around later, which is again 0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:01.400 him kissing that guy in the middle of the. 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.920 Day out in the open, just didn't make sense. 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.320 That's exactly where I was going to i'ma I'm gonna 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.800 get your opinion in a second spike, That's exactly where 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.480 I was going. It already didn't make any sense. It 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.879 makes even less sense after Ennis tells this story. If 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.200 you know what can happen, and you're constantly throughout the 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:20.919 film being the one that's like, we can't do that's 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:21.560 out in the open. 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:23.160 We have to be careful. 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.239 But you're the one that initiated this makeout session right 0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.080 in front of your own house, out in the open. 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.799 It doesn't make any sense. It just seems like bad 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.279 writing to me. Does he speak to his desire, then 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.000 maybe like he knows all of this stuff. His dad 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.320 told him this, but he desired him so much that 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:42.320 he couldn't help himself. 0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.200 No, because but even then I think that. 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.000 Would be like over sexualized and gave me like they 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:51.120 couldn't contain themselves. That is also a lot of what 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.600 I felt with this film. It was like, y'all are 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.520 making this out to where it's like these dudes can't 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.920 even think straight because they just want this so badly. 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.520 But then you're following it up by making it clear 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.080 that they understand the dangers. If Jack was the one 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.080 that was initiating a lot of this, I'd be like, Okay, 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.880 it's Jack, and if and this was like man stop, 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.120 that scene would have made sense to me. 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.399 I think it's because, like the interactions are so far 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.200 few in between, so by the time they see each other, 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.840 it's just like, man, they are they are really excited. 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.000 I can be really like if I adn't seen my 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.040 girl in three weeks and and she comes to my 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.040 mom's house, I'm not slopping her down on the front 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:33.160 porch of my mom's house. 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:34.960 That's three weeks. I mean, but you take it for 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:35.319 a month. 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.160 I'm not slopping her down on my mom's porch, and 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:37.759 you're not either. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:42.200 Jack could have the you know me momn whatever I 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.360 feel like. So I. 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.960 Get what you're saying, and I get your follow up 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.080 question to that. 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:53.160 The issue is that for the rest of the movie, yes, yes, 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.720 a lot of time afraid of being. 0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.839 Discovered exactly exactly And it might seem like a small thing, 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.960 but it's just these small things kept happening throughout the film. 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.560 I was like, come on, man, that doesn't make any sense. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.040 Who wrote this, Spike, when did you? 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.920 But it might make sense to the to that person 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.600 in the moment, they might think they're being super discreet 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:16.800 or in front. 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:21.279 Of your wife's door with your kids. Yeah, his kids 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.359 were in the house, so you gotta be dumb, not you. 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.279 But the person in the movie has to be dumb 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.160 as fuck to think he's being discreet by making out 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.080 right in front of the fucking the front door. 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.040 Well I'm past the in front of the front door. 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.600 I'm just talking about like just them, oh, go on 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.080 this fishing trip and like it. 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:43.160 Just ohod and give your opinion, because I don't think 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.760 Spike wants to talk about to go ahead. 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.600 Getting out with that we can transition. Go ahead, where 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:48.280 were you before? 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:53.480 I was yes, about Earl and Rich and how the 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.560 town suspected them being a gay and they beat Earl 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:57.640 to death and towards dick. 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.560 Off, and and then y'all start talking about that. You 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.439 would think there would be a lot more discreet after 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:03.440 those stories and stuff. 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.959 No, I'm saying that that made this the part before 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:07.120 it make even less sense. 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.200 Oh that's what's just saying. Okay, right right. 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.440 Well, okay, So they have these fishing trips on and 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.360 off for a while, which they use as an excuse 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.200 to meet up and spend some time with each other. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:19.759 Meanwhile, their marriages are suffering. 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.400 Ns ends up getting a divorce and Jack hears about 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.239 it and drives up to talk to him. 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.520 What did you think about how that conversation went, Spike? 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.719 How did it go? I thought Jack was being a 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.759 dick so he walks up to him. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.600 I think for some reason, Jack had convinced himself that 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.160 since Ennis wrote him saying, hey, I'm getting a divorce, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:45.080 that means so when he go he went up there 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:48.080 and and it's was like, hey, bro, I'm sorry, I 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.680 got my kids this weekend, And Jack got mad because 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.760 he thought that that letter was like an open invitation 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.399 to be with me, but. 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.720 He was not even understanding of I have my kids 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.080 this weekend and that was okay. That goes to the 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:03.799 question that I asked you too. I felt like. 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.480 They were painting this picture the people that wrote it 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.040 as to like that's the only thing that they could 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.680 think about. This point didn't seem like sex. It seemed 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.839 more like, I want to be with you even then, 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.680 if it's even beyond the sexual part of it. But 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.560 I'm only thinking about being with you, like people prioritize 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.520 their relationships, and they were acting like he couldn't do it, 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:25.640 and he was acting like you said, I got my kids, 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.480 like I'm prioritizing you even if I do want to 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:29.799 be with you, and the other guy was just like 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:30.960 so mind blown by it. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.200 Yeah, I didn't like that betrayal. I get what you're saying. 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:36.400 But I think with Jack, maybe it was I have 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.200 been searching because maybe he's had queer sex before, but 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.480 maybe he's not been in lust fit with another man. 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:45.200 So I think in that moment it was just I 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.600 found someone that I want to actually be with, not 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.600 just go have sex with. I want to be with 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.560 this person, and this person seems like they want to 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:53.960 be with me. 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:54.680 So it just seemed like. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:58.040 He was he was thirsty, he was desperate, and he 0:38:58.160 --> 0:38:59.479 just read the signals wrong. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.400 I mean, he spent a lot of which I mean, 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.000 he should have known better because in his constantly over 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.959 and over again rejected the premise, the idea of even 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.239 being together, right, which is how he even told him 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:10.440 the story in the first place. It was like, Bro, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.279 you don't think I'm telling you. It's gonna look weird 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.480 because of this thing that happened. It looked weird back then. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.600 We can't be together, Like it's just not gonna happen. 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.920 And when he got the yeah, because at that he 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:22.879 was kind of even hinted to ins at the time, 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.600 just how's your relationship going, how's everything going to the marriage? 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.440 How should get a divorced coming back with me? So 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.600 he had already been trying to get him anyway, and 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:31.840 so when it happened, he. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.759 Was like, oh shit, it's on and popping, you know. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.680 So yeah, so yeah, and the whole thing with the 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.680 fishing trips and stuff like that, like they were so 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.680 terrible at that, but I know we'll get to that later, 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.279 but even the first day, like I know, the white 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.040 fella was like, oh yeah, so you know, we're gonna 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.040 go drinking and we may not come back. 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:58.360 I may not come back tonight. Brouh. So bad for her, Yeah, 0:39:59.239 --> 0:39:59.799 that's probably now. 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:05.960 That seemed realistic for a fifties woman in Texas. No, 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:12.640 they were in Texas because she can't say ship right. 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.319 She was just like, all right, here's one I. 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.880 Asked the divorce. He was just a piece of ship 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:17.719 and us. 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.000 He just like, did Jack have anything to do with 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.400 this because it seemed like he just wasn't fulfilling his 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:27.240 duties to the point where she just got got over it. 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:31.520 I think it started with from what I remember, at least, 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.720 it started with he they were trying to fuck or whatever, 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.879 and then she was like, basically to get a condom. 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.640 If you don't want to have my kids, you know, 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:43.960 we won't have to you know, we ain't got to 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.040 do this. And then she said I'll have your kids 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.560 if you support them. So I think what it was 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:50.440 is like, yeah, you're onto something. He was being a 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.120 piece of ship. She was looking at it like you're 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.080 never fucking here. Yeah, I'm always taking care of the kids. 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:56.279 I mean even when she was at work and he 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.560 came and dropped the kids off and she's like, what 0:40:58.640 --> 0:40:59.520 about my job? 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.080 Yeah, he wasn't keeping a job right and stuff like that. 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.359 So yeah, he just was. He was a terrible husband. 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.759 Right, He was a bad husband, even outside of even 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.239 if this was not related to him cheating on her 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.400 with Jack, if he was really going off on fishing trips, 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:15.360 he would be a bad husband. 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.760 Yeah. Yeah, so she had every round or every reason 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:19.480 to get a divorce. 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:24.840 After Jack drives up to Mexico to get his freak on, 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.520 he has a conflict with his stepfather at the dinner table. Rob, 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.000 what do you think about this scene? This is one 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:34.279 of the best scenes. I wanted to beat that old 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:35.440 man's yo. 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:42.560 He he pitched up real quick, right, I'll be talking 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.359 right right right, Nah, But I thought that was really good. 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.040 He finally stood up for himself. Even his wife gave like, 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.600 gave him more respect or whatever. So he kind of 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:53.919 saw that a little bit, and she looked at her, See, 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.760 supposed to your daddy, you know what I'm saying. 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.960 So I did. I did like that he was being super. 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.080 Differ respectful, very Yeah, damn I wanted to carve the 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:03.800 fucking turkey. 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.920 Want to turn on the TV that crazy man. 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:11.480 I was like, man, y'all, yeah, you sit your ass down, yo, Jill, 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:16.960 all your gass down, put your inger ass down right, 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.160 knocked your ass in the next week like man was. 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.719 Man, yo, Yeah that was saying I think too. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.280 I like that. That was probably one of the best scenes. 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.200 Did he only do it out of anger? Though? Yeah? 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.759 He was frustrated. He was frustrated years and years of 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.319 like him disrespectful. I thought he was mad because old 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.600 boy rejected him. That's what I thought. It was frustration board, 0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:41.160 I ain't taking this ship no more. 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.359 Yeah, yeah that she was just specting when he threw 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:44.680 the keys at him when the baby came. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:49.000 Yeah, he looked like me and like that. Oh yeah, 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.239 he looked like. 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:52.960 Yeah, this was a good scene. I did like that. 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:53.920 That's one of the best ones. 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:55.319 What did y'all think of the scene of all my 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.920 calling enis out in the kitchen Ennis out in the kitchen. 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:00.120 I was like, bout times. 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.279 Jack twist boy like Jack mask, Oh my god, I 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.480 lost What kind of disc was that? 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:07.600 It was? 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:07.960 Right? 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.400 Brook? 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.800 Jack nasty? Yo? I was you a white woman? 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.799 Not knowing how to get because a black woman probably 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:24.359 that way. 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:27.640 With your dirty dick, right, Yeah, she would twist. Yeah, 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.279 but I'm like, man, you wait to now to say 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.520 that ship like in front of your new husband. 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.680 He was a sucker too, he was because he didn't 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.120 get up from his her all that ship. 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.880 He had to I'm gonna call him and Roll was 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.000 right there. 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.399 Bro, you can hear he can hear you here, get 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:49.319 up when she when the badass kid grabbed that jar 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.279 and everything and fell down. I would have made them 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.359 pay for all that ship me too, but he was. Yeah, 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.560 so they were just we know what that scene was. 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.960 I did like that, Like they did a good job 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:05.799 with timing, like like like uh, moving time along. I 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.440 thought it was cool because we saw that scene and 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:09.640 it made sense when we saw him later as her husband. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.400 Like that's really good filmmaking to be able to like 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.680 not even show the stuff that happened between it, but 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:16.960 it makes sense when you see it. 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:18.839 Yeah, So I do agree with that. 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:20.680 It was it was definitely a setup for later for 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.600 c But yeah, this this part. 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:26.160 Of the movie, this movie was two hours and fourteen minutes. Bro. 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:32.000 This middle section of them going back and forth they up. 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:34.520 Yeah, you know they gonna spend all this up. But no, 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.000 I liked her calling him out and the story she 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.320 told makes sense. And and then I was thinking to myself, 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.760 y'all fucking stupid nobody. 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:42.200 Y'all. 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.400 Even one time he was leaving, he even forgot the 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.880 tackle box. She was like, you're forgetting something, bro, what 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:49.239 are you doing about to go tackle some box? I 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:50.200 don't need this tackle box. 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.120 Yeah, yeah, I got, you know, I got, I got 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:52.560 my fishing. 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.279 But she said, like, and all these trips, because even 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.799 even even Jack's wife was picking up on it too, 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.520 But all these trips you were going on, and you 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.879 gotta cover it up. When your wife is saying and 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:11.920 your daughter is saying, bring fish, all. 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:14.880 Right, we like fish and fish on, He's like, we 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:15.480 ate them all. 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.520 Come on, dude, come on, dude, we ate them all. 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.239 Why wouldn't you think, Okay, let me go stop at 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.720 the store then and grab a couple of fish. 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.480 But your dumb ass every time comes home with none. Nothing. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.080 Like I said earlier, these are the worst download dudes 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:33.280 on the planet. 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.520 Yeah, but uh so. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.080 Yeah, after he gets called out talking about putting the 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.359 note on his on his fishing pole and how the 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:42.680 note was still there. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:44.959 Which means he never used it like a dumb fuck. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:45.719 Uh. 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:47.640 He leaves and goes out and gets his ass whooped 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.719 the middle of the street, but he continues his uh, 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:54.320 his fishing fishing freak offs with Jack and he starts 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.719 dating this waitress named Cassie. But that I didn't find 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.920 that interesting. If y'all do stop me, I didn't at all. 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.360 But Jack and his wife Lauren make friends with another couple, 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:08.319 Randy and Randall and Lashawan was it implied that Jack 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:09.840 and Randall were getting it on. 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:11.200 You know? That was hot from ye. 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.760 Was like, yeah, you know, my boss got a cabin. 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.680 You know you want to go go fishing fishing right 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.800 now and gonna be cold, bro. It's that like it's cold, 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.960 we can go fish to hang out ship like that. 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.080 Yeah, I got this stranger thing for you. But they 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.719 were definitely looking at each other at the table and 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:30.360 ship like that. I thought this was kind of a 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:31.279 weird scene too. 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.399 I don't know, man, I mean, I hate to pick 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.160 this movie apart the way y'all did Five Nights, but 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.319 there was just so much ship that I was like. 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:45.600 This seems unrealistic. Because it's like, how did he know? 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:51.120 Jack was not doing anything that would have implied like, yeah, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.040 I'm gonna go ask you to come to my cabin. 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:53.520 What. 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.680 Oh yeah, no, I agree with you that that was 0:46:55.840 --> 0:47:01.200 very forward. Yeah, just by a gage, just you know, gaze. 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:08.279 Yeah, oh yeah, Nah. This scene didn't work for me 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.400 at all. Interesting It did work for me because it 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:16.600 was it was just like how Jack did enis or 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:18.000 what his name? 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.520 And you know it, I'm tired of y'all today. Man. 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:30.600 It was just like how Jack did enis? See? Okay, 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.200 thank you, Yeah he did. 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.879 It seemed the same to me because and it's never 0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.720 showed any signs to me that that he was interested. 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.920 In that way. The same way y'all saying that about Jack. 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.880 It was just like the gaze that you were talking 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:54.120 aboute But they were in the same tent. It was 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:56.919 an intimate situation and it was only them. They still 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.200 tried him out in the open with their why was 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.719 right there, So it just they had to give me 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.360 more for me to be like, Okay, this seems very similar. 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:07.120 It seemed like it seemed like the roles were reversed 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.959 in this situation, and I was like, oh, okay, Yeah. 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.520 There was another part where he tried to buy a 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:13.520 dude to drink. 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.280 Yeah, and then he picked up on it and walked away. 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.040 That part made sense because he was being weird. He 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.920 was being really I'm sure, but I don't know how 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:22.680 many of y'all have actually had this spaar. I've been 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.840 hit on by gay dudes at bars, and they are 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.440 the dudes at least that I've run into in Atlanta. 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:32.239 They were very forward, but it was as simple as 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.000 a bro I appreciate you, but no. 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.160 Thanks, and it was done. I thought I thought he was. 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.080 This scene made no That scene made sense to me, 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.200 where he was just like he was being very forward 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.239 and the guy picked up on it pretty quickly and 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.399 was just like, no, I'm good, I'm gonna leave. 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:50.200 I thought he was. 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:51.879 He just wasn't willing to come out and over because 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:53.000 they kind of looked for each other. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.080 I didn't get that. I thought that he was just 0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:58.480 being cool. At the bar. 0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.200 Dude walked up sorry hitting on him, and he picked 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.120 up on it, but he didn't want to like call 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.120 him out. He was just like, I'm cool on this, 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.800 I'm gonna jet and then he left Jack there looking stupid. 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:13.280 Yeah, Jack got mad. He sure did get mad. You motherfucker, 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.560 you don't want this butt. Don't think you don't think 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:17.560 I go before my own fucking whatever. Whatever. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.479 I think Jack kind of showed that he wasn't into 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.920 his wife either, and I feel I think. 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:24.840 He showed like similarities to him. 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.840 But why would you automatically pick up, Oh, you must 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.480 be queer. I might be like y'all might have just 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.320 gotten a fight a couple of minutes ago. It seemed 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:35.279 like a weird jump to automatically be like, hey man, 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.120 my boy got this cabin owt lif If you ain't 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:38.279 doing shit, you want to go. 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.840 But it still was weird. It still was like subtle 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.160 in a way it was not. It wasn't like yo, let's. 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:45.120 It wasn't like yo let's. 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.440 Fuck. It was just like drink. Listen to what I'm saying. 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.680 You know you I couldn't even watch the blood off 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:52.920 your forehead, but you said I can invite you to 0:49:52.960 --> 0:50:00.600 my boys cap just being you yoking about b oh No, 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.120 you and your wife and me and my wife will 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:04.400 both go up and hang out together. 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:06.960 He left the wives ain't. 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:11.759 Always go, kid, that ain't hot that he just can 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.000 not go like that. He that, bro, what are you doing? 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:18.440 No serious? I'm being dead that serious? You thought that 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.120 was still it's still subtle. What we're gonna do with 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.560 the cabin rod, We're gonna go fishing? 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:25.640 Were not somebody going fishing. 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:27.800 Yeah, we're gonna go fishing. We're gonna do some hunting. 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:32.440 I don't know, man, that it wasn't It wasn't overt. 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:34.040 It's all I'm saying. It's crazy. 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.120 That's cool in the movie, and. 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:36.839 It seems that way. 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.240 But I feel like it was the same ship that 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:40.600 that that Jack was doing. 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:43.520 It was very subtle ship until it's not because they 0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.960 ended up in a relationship. I think, man, they did. 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.279 They did that. I get that they did. I'm not 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:49.719 saying that that's not what he was doing. 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:52.160 He was doing that, but it was I'm saying that 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.239 he was just like just testing the water. He's like, yeah, 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:56.600 you know, my boy, you know you got a cabin 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.160 out there. You know you want to hang out some time. 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.160 And he was like, oh, I know what that means. 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.560 That's my move, trying. 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.520 To play the player, right, that's my move. 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:09.239 No, I didn't like this. I thought this was I 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.759 liked it I liked it all right. 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.440 Well, what did y'all think about the argument that Ennis 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:17.040 and Jack get into after their last fishing trip. 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.439 This is the one where Jack was like, we could 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.640 have had a good fucking life, edis, but all. 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:25.960 We got is broke back mountain. I wish I know 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:26.640 how to quit you. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.799 That's thet I know how to quit you. I think 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.160 that's the That's one of the quotables from it is. 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:38.120 It is, I said all the time, all the time. Now, 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.920 this is good. I think this is what I was 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.719 talking about earlier when he's like, I wouldn't beat his 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.279 wayward for you. Yeah, he acted like Jack turned him out. 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.359 Yeah he did, And I thought that was And then 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.640 Jack was I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry I turned you out. Bro, 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:58.720 I'm sorry man, Like, yeah, no, this is good. Wouldn't 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.239 have though, I wouldn't have when it turned him out? 0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:05.040 Well, if if Jack never made the probably would have 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:06.320 went and. 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.960 He said this is your fault. Yeah, he said, this 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.279 is your He said you did this to me. I 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.080 did turn him out the way, Yeah he was. 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:13.960 I think he was. 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:21.840 Clearly, and it's had like a feeling. So yeah, he 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.640 probably would have lived his life and just ignored the 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:29.440 fact that he had queer tendencies or whatever or desires 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:30.520 however you want to phrase it. 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.560 But I thought this scene was I agree. 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.760 I thought this scene was was was good. 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.560 High altitude is crazy though, I thought that was wild. 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.319 Oh yeah, yeah, that would give me the high altitude fuck. 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.040 I like how they made these guys especially and it 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:50.040 seemed like such. 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:52.480 Like a man manlies man, but then he was he 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:56.200 had a very sensitive side to him, So I like that. 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.000 I liked that they were able to depict that that 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:04.040 it's not just you know, some overly feminine guy that's 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:05.120 gay or whatever. 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:09.440 Like you got two very masculine men that I didn't get. 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.960 Bro huh, I said, you got some I this is 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:14.719 two very masculine men. No. 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:16.600 I thought the casting for this, even though these are 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:18.720 both great a. I thought the casting was dog ship 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.560 really absolutely, but they but they even brought up like 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:23.600 these two little squawnny guys, so they I don't think 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:24.880 they were trying to make it seem like they were 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:25.720 overly masculine. 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.880 They say scotty, but they don't. They didn't look like 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:28.880 scrawny guys to me. 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:32.440 They did to me, they didn't look like buff manly cowboys. 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:34.080 It seemed like tough guys. 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.160 They seem like tough guys to me until that one 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:38.400 guy to put his dick in the dirt. 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:39.560 He did. 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.040 That, How dare you hit me in my car? 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.840 Yeah, because he gave him one of them two guys 0:53:55.920 --> 0:54:00.759 work at the fucking that was man and if we're 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:02.680 fucking scene, that scene was dope as funk. 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:03.560 When he kicked it up. 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.360 That dude, the firewors is going home. That ship was 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.960 just there like, yeah, you look at the right right. 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:24.360 I said, right too quick, throw my legs. Ron he 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:25.839 did have that John clop Man. 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:27.920 Damn here. 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.480 Out. I want the microphone and pick that up. 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:38.520 He laughed, my forty. 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:46.319 Since I was twelve. Oh my god, we gotta ship 0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.600 was smooth, a little smooth. 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:50.440 That ship was Mann sooth. 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.040 So and it's. 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.640 And it's gets a postcard, says the check out. 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.080 I gotta stop laughing, hold on and to get the postcard, 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:03.920 and says Jack died. He calls and speaks to his 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.000 wife and she tells him that he was popping up 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:07.719 a tire and it blew up and the rim hit 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:09.760 his face and he died by choking on his own blood. 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:11.160 What did y'all take from this? 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:12.799 The first thing I want to point out is like, 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.520 it said deceased, So I guess like it's the perfect 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.840 person dies on the transit of a letter. 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:20.120 They have to put it on there. I don't know 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.279 if they have to. Maybe the wife marked him as 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:23.680 to cease. I don't know how that works, but. 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:25.439 Either I feel like that was a post office thing. 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.080 I don't know, mmm, because I was wondering about that part. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:30.840 I'm like, well, why how did you. 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.560 Just say deceased? I don't know. Interesting. 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.160 I thought that was interesting, But what was the actual question? 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:40.239 What did y'all think about this? But that was the 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:44.000 first thing I thought. I was like, I went up 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.759 to post office put deceased on it, and I was like, 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.240 oh shit, this motherfucker. 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:49.520 Died for real. 0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:52.640 So yeah, it was interesting to see how all of 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:55.240 this is going to play out after he after he died, 0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:58.840 and what he was gonna do all and he called her. 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:01.520 That's what I thought was interesting because I was like, oh, 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.520 what dang, she did kind of pick up on his 0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:06.080 lifestyle because they didn't wreak that. 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:07.960 They didn't make that clear. 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.959 In my opinion, that Jack's wife picked up his life 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.400 on his lifestyle. I know you said it earlier because 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:17.040 he's like, well, why he can't never come down here 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.919 to fish? But I still didn't think that was They didn't. 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.040 They didn't show that his wife picked up on it. 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.520 I guess we're to assume that at some point she 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.879 figured it out. At least that's what I always took 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:32.360 from the scene. I don't know if Jack was actually murdered, 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:39.240 because all it shows is is Ennis kind of visualized 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:40.759 visualizing it based on what his. 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.120 Dad told him. 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.040 So we're not sure if if he really just got 0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:45.480 hit in the face and chrunk in his own blood, 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:48.040 or if he was really murdered. The ship that she 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:49.640 said sounds super far fit. 0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:50.080 It did. 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.879 It did, and especially the attitude she was giving made 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.520 it sound like bullshit. So I'm thinking she knew, and 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:57.640 I'm thinking he was murdered. 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:00.439 Yeah, it definitely sounded like shit. 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:04.240 And I think that's, of course, this cover up story 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:08.359 that they came up with when she suspected as much. 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.319 So maybe that's, you know, a thing where you know, 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:17.080 gay guys were getting beat up and jumped and killed 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.600 for being gay, and it's kind of known, you know, 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.360 and that's why. So they just try to make it 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:26.520 the obituary and stuff sound, you know, good, to protect his. 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.760 And I thought maybe her dad called a hit. Yeah, 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:31.280 that's why. 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:33.600 That's why I've always thought like, maybe his dad picked 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:35.880 up on it because he made that comment about you 0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:37.840 want your son to be a man, don't you. So 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.560 I always took it as the dad was figuring things out, 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.120 and the dad, since he was rich, yeah. 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:45.440 Figured it out and put the hit on him. I 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.880 didn't even think about that. Oh yeah, that's what I thought. 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.480 So and it goes we're almost done, y'all, And it 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:53.480 goes to Jack's family home to get his ashes to 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:54.360 take the broke back, but. 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:55.360 His father refuses. 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.120 However, his mother lets him go up to see Jack's room, 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.040 and there he finds an old old shirt, that old 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.439 shirt that he left on the mountain after they got in. 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.200 That little fight. Jack apparently kept it and had it 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:07.960 nestled lovingly inside. 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:10.280 One of his own shirts. What do you think about 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:13.240 this part? Spike was a sweet? Yeah, it was sweet 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.240 for this movie. It No, it was good. 0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:16.800 It was good. 0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:19.720 It showed it little his heart was there for him 0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:20.520 all that stuff. 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.640 So it was done really well. It was. They did 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.160 an amazing job with the scene. With this scene here, 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.439 it really captured like his had motion. 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.560 The motion was definitely captured, like just from him grabbing, 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.480 like grabbing on the fabric and pulling. 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:37.160 It close to himself. 0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:39.640 Like I was like, God, they killing this right here, this, 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:41.919 this is this is really really good. 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:43.960 Watching this, I could tell why they want to watch 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:49.080 one hundred. I could tell why they want to watch this. 0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:48.960 One of those type of movies. 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.040 I like this part, but I don't see how they 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:52.920 want towards I didn't think the acting was that good, 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:54.720 and I definitely don't think the script was good at all, 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:58.720 this particular part that Jake, what's the dude name, he's 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.000 a great actor, Jack, and then the other guy was 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.760 he fledged Yeah, But I didn't walk away from any 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:05.440 of this being like, oh, yeah, they should have definitely 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:09.800 won awards, not even realized he loves yeah joker. 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:14.600 I think that it's safe to assume the parents knew. Yeah, yeah, 0:59:15.080 --> 0:59:19.240 I assume they did. The dad basically said it. 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:24.000 He was talking about guys coming out to live together, 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:26.720 or Jack was going to have some guy come out. 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:30.520 The guy and the guy that that that that the 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:31.240 stranger things. 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.880 Yeah, they ended up having a relationship. Actually, I think 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:35.880 that's probably how the wife found out too. 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.720 Yeah, the damn the dad was telling because it's like 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:46.240 he was just still in mourning shock or whatever, and 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:47.840 he was talking about I don't know if it was 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:54.000 him or was saying that Jack always talked about having 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:57.160 a friend come out and living together on the ranch. 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:01.680 Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I don't know a male friend. Yeah, yeah, 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:03.440 a male friend. I see. 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:06.080 I always took it. So I'm confused about this part 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:13.600 because he says he says something like, you know, he 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:17.360 wanted to be buried on uh broke Back Mountain, but no, 1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:19.439 he's gonna get buried in the family plot. 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.200 If he knew, why would. 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.040 He be like, yeah, take this motherfucker's as just broke back. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.680 I don't want this shit around for who he was. 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:29.680 But he also knew that in this day and age 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:33.920 and that time period, they have to be closeted. So 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.800 I think to protect the family, he just kind of 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:38.280 they just kind of kept that to themselves. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.080 Remember, even the mom was like, we know what broke 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:44.240 back is. She said that kind of aggressively too. You 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.320 don't remember that she did. I believe you, but I 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:47.680 don't know that part they knew. 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.400 I think he said to assume that they they knew 1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:53.640 who who their son was, and the mother always knows. 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:55.800 Yeah, it seemed like they were saying it without saying 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.200 it because of you know, it was probably the seventies 1:00:58.240 --> 1:00:58.760 at that point. 1:00:59.080 --> 1:00:59.480 Yeah. 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:01.560 Yeah, I assumed that they knew. That's why she's like, 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:03.560 you can go to his room and all of that. 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:05.400 It's like, definitely come back and see us. 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:05.720 See. 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:07.600 That's why I was assuming that they did not know, 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.480 because if her dad was that mad about her son 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:12.720 being gay, why would the wife be like, yeah, come 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:13.240 on back. 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:14.360 On me and see us anytime. 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:16.480 That's weird because it seemed like one of those like 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:19.760 kind of what Kim was lose to, like those those 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:20.600 old couples. 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:21.720 They could be on two. 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:25.760 Sides of the of the coin, but still like one 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:27.840 could have one perspective and the other one have the 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:30.000 other one, like, but you just let the other one 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:30.880 just kind of live with it. 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:34.280 My dad was definitely pushing back. Yeah, mom was. 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.480 She was the one like, no, I don't forget what 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:38.440 he's talking about. Just you could come back anytime you 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:39.439 want to come back. 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:41.680 Yeah, that's how I took it, and that's one of 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:42.880 the old couples like that. 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:45.919 Yeah, when the dad realized I don't put together who 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:49.000 he was to Jack, that's why he was like, we 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:50.680 bearing his ass here, right. 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:53.200 You ain't taking his ass nowhere. I know y'all did 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:57.600 y'all thing and ic, but no, he's staying here all right. 1:01:57.640 --> 1:01:59.560 So last scene fast forward some years and we see 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:03.800 his daughter Alma Alma Junior come to uh Ennis's place 1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:06.280 to invite him to her wedding. After he agrees to go, 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.880 she leaves her sweater by accident, and he puts it 1:02:08.920 --> 1:02:09.840 in the closet. 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.440 Where we find the shirts. 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:15.280 Now he has Jack's shirt nestled inside one of his 1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:18.360 shirts and next to it a postcard of Broke Back Mountain. 1:02:18.880 --> 1:02:22.120 And the movie ends with Ennis saying dragon swear. 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:24.960 To god, Yeah, I don't get down to get the end. 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:30.000 It was like, okay, that's it. Yeah, I know it 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:30.800 really wasn't. 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:34.040 Much came in. He wanted to ask what was the 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:37.680 significance he's all living alone and he's still a piece 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:42.120 of ship. I swear, you're ruined me quit his job again. 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:44.800 Yeah, to go watch his because it's dark, but it 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:46.840 looked like he had been doing kind of ship because 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:48.680 his daughter was like wedd. 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:50.120 He was like, no, I'm not gonna go yeah yeah, 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:54.000 yeah yeah, And then he changed his mind. He was 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:57.040 mourning for that long. Bro, let it go. Dog. 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:01.880 He he's like a widow, and maybe that's why he's saying, 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:06.920 I swear, I swear to God, I don't. 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.360 I don't mess me up like I can't move on. 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:10.480 I can't move on. I swear I can't move on. 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:11.960 This is just one of those things that makes me 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:13.880 dislike this movie. It's like, Bro, you just left us 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.840 on this weird cliffhanger just to do It's just man, 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:19.480 I don't think it's a cliffhanger. I think it's like 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:23.520 he just really he can't move on. I swear to 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:27.760 God that that doesn't translate to I can't move on. 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:32.360 That doesn't translate to anything. If they're intentionally leaving this 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:33.480 very open ended. 1:03:34.480 --> 1:03:37.760 To me, it's not because it's like he's still like 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:39.960 he said, he's still alone. He don't even want to 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:44.320 go to his daughter's wedding. He's in his trucking double 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:48.560 wide trailer or whatever and just looks lonely. 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:51.600 You can't move on. I'm with you on that part. 1:03:51.640 --> 1:03:52.400 I'm just not with. 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:55.320 You on when he says Jack, I swear to God 1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:57.640 that that automatically is you did this to me and 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:00.560 I can't move on. It just doesn't translate. It doesn't 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:03.920 that that statement itself doesn't mean anything. So it's just 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:08.600 it's just annoying. But Yeah, anybody else got anything to 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:09.480 say about this movie? 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:15.320 The Mexico thing? What was that about? He just wanted 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:17.520 to get a fix. Yeah, that's all that was. 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:20.480 And then Jack brought it up again later talking about Mexico. 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:22.240 What was that He was just saying. 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:24.240 He was saying, we can go to Mexico because he 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.160 thinks they'd be safe there because he's been going down 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:28.960 there fucking around with with with with I guess prostitutes. 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:34.360 Mm hmmm. Sior. Yeah, I hate that. 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:35.960 I don't like this movie, but I do. I do 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.400 not like this movie one fucking bit. I don't like 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:40.400 the acting, I don't like the story, I don't like 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:40.960 the music. 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:42.640 I think this movie is awful. Man. 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:46.280 We don't like love stories. I'm I'm cool with love stories. 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.320 I'm not good with this one. This movie is bad. 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:52.040 So that's all I got. If anybody is cool, We're 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:53.880 gonna go ahead and end it here. Anybody got anything 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:57.720 else they want to say? Good, all right, let us 1:04:57.760 --> 1:05:00.680 know what y'all thought, and we'll see all next time. 1:05:00.720 --> 1:05:01.880 We're out in peace. 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:03.400 M