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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode the Frame Second Podcast. I'm heuse
Speaker 2: for the evening. My name is Mike. Next to me,
Speaker 2: I have Spike. Across from Spike, I have Ken. Next
Speaker 2: to Ken, I have Rod, and this is an anniversary film.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the year was or whatever, but
Speaker 2: we are covering eight years twenty five years come a
Speaker 2: twenty five year classic film, Broke Back Mountain. This was
Speaker 2: one of Spike's suggestions, and I'm gonna start off with you, Spikes.
Speaker 2: Why do you like this movie so much? Why did
Speaker 2: you suggest we do it? I have never seen this movie.
Speaker 2: I did not suggest it Where did this suggestion come from?
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I think it was twenty five
Speaker 1: year anniversary, that's why. But who picked this? Nobody had
Speaker 1: to pigot. It just happened.
Speaker 2: We usually picking anniversary for no no. I feel like
Speaker 2: this was for just came, no pun attended. I feel
Speaker 2: like this was forced, This was forced upon us.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine, it's fine. You liked it, it
Speaker 1: was okay. Really I didn't hate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting day had a lot of interesting opinions today.
Speaker 1: Ken, what did you think of this movie?
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those movies where you watch
Speaker 3: it once you're good. Yep, you know, you get the
Speaker 3: story is good, it plays out. I think it did
Speaker 3: a good you know, it was definitely a moment in
Speaker 3: time when it released all those years ago. But I
Speaker 3: think overall is the story. I think it were he
Speaker 3: drafting spots, you know, but yeah, rewatching it, it was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it was slow as fuck. But but no,
Speaker 3: overall it's good. It's a good love story.
Speaker 1: Okay, was it a slow ass fuck for you? Rob Christ?
Speaker 4: Like Spike, I had never used sty I've avoided twenty
Speaker 4: five years. I've avoided this just I just had I
Speaker 4: didn't feel like this movie was for me. I just
Speaker 4: feel like this wasn't something that.
Speaker 1: You like love stories, right, and how you know it's
Speaker 1: not for you unless you try it something. I just know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, y'all.
Speaker 4: Y'all all have seen the other movie Don't Move, like right,
Speaker 4: so that's to your point whatever, So like, uh so, yeah,
Speaker 4: like like it wasn't I've always heard what the premise
Speaker 4: of the movie, so I was like, okay, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know that that's I'm not rushing to go see that,
Speaker 4: especially like I'm just not I just never had any
Speaker 4: I won't say I won't have any desire because it's
Speaker 4: a filmmaker.
Speaker 1: I had desire because of all the nominations and received.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I probably should see this film
Speaker 4: as a as an aspiring filmmaker myself.
Speaker 1: Like so, I thought it was done really well.
Speaker 4: Actually I thought it was I thought it was beautifully done.
Speaker 4: And at this point, we've seen so much stuff like this,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. When this came out twenty
Speaker 4: five years ago, I don't think it was like now
Speaker 4: we're desensitized to this type of you know, movie or whatever.
Speaker 4: I've seen it in TV shows like I said, Moonlight,
Speaker 4: like it's it's been so many different things that I've
Speaker 4: seen stuff like this in or relations like this, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, I'm just known to I just watched Call
Speaker 4: Me by Her Name or whatever, like you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like, so at this point, it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: back then, I just you know, I just didn't have
Speaker 4: any interest in watching something like this. I just didn't.
Speaker 1: But they did. Really, it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 4: Done really well. It's done really well. I'm glad I
Speaker 4: finally got around and watching it. And yeah, I'm with Ken.
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, I watched it. I'm done. You know,
Speaker 4: if I was to watch it again, it'll be specifically
Speaker 4: for to to figure out or to uh as a reference. Right,
Speaker 4: things they were doing with long shots and and just
Speaker 4: certain different cinematography. I know that sounds crazy, but they
Speaker 4: did it. They did a really good job with spacing
Speaker 4: and and composition in this movie.
Speaker 1: It was so good. It was really good.
Speaker 4: Like the sheep herding this stuff, like those scenes were
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 2: All right, this might be unexpected. I hate this movie.
Speaker 2: I've never liked this movie. I have always thought this
Speaker 2: movie is fucking terrible. This is my second time watching it.
Speaker 2: I watched it right when it came out, and I
Speaker 2: did not like this at all. I always it always
Speaker 2: made me feel like this movie seems like it was
Speaker 2: made by straight people to give the impression of what
Speaker 2: a gay relationship is, and it always it makes It
Speaker 2: gives me the same feeling of white reviewers listening to
Speaker 2: like Pepper Butterfly and then being like like, oh, now
Speaker 2: I understand the black experience. That's how it feels, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? But yeah, I don't like this movie.
Speaker 2: I don't like the acting. I don't like the story
Speaker 2: it is. I don't know for a fact, of course,
Speaker 2: but how I would interpret this type of relationship to happen.
Speaker 1: This is unbelievably unrealistic. It does look like.
Speaker 2: We'll get there. There is a very specific part where
Speaker 2: it turned me off for the whole film. I was like,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. That makes less than no sense.
Speaker 2: What in the hell is going on right now? We
Speaker 2: you shut up, it's a better question for you, fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're gonna go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty three, ya, actually, before we even go. The
Speaker 2: names were enough for me to be like that, what
Speaker 2: Jack and Eni Twist us? The man's name is Enis
Speaker 2: bro what are we doing us? You combined Penis and
Speaker 2: Anus made a name out of it, so it just
Speaker 2: seems like a troll. I think it's Ennis, But if
Speaker 2: you look at it, it's just like what why why?
Speaker 1: I just look at that. I think you're reaching with
Speaker 1: that one. Damn, I'm just saying rude as hell I
Speaker 1: was earlier.
Speaker 2: I immediately apologized to Ken acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: His head.
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm still mad. I shot on his boufaril Okay,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty three, uh Rod's Maine man, Enis del Mar
Speaker 2: and Jack Twist are hired to go hurd some sheep
Speaker 2: throughout broke Back Mountain, and afterwards they meet up at
Speaker 2: a bar and tell each other about themselves.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Enis and Jack? Ken? Ennis
Speaker 1: and Jack quiet reserved.
Speaker 3: It seemed like Jack was more interested in him than
Speaker 3: the other way around. It was interesting like when he
Speaker 3: got out of the truck. There was a shot that
Speaker 3: they had where he was at a circle looking at
Speaker 3: him in the mirror.
Speaker 1: Something.
Speaker 3: There was some questionable shots that they were doing. I
Speaker 3: wondered if they were doing that intentionally, Like when he
Speaker 3: was drinking the beer bottle and looking at.
Speaker 1: I was like, it was he didn't put a little
Speaker 1: too much mouth. That's not reaching.
Speaker 2: That's not reaching.
Speaker 3: It is some of the ship looked like watching it,
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute the first time, but
Speaker 3: now I'm like, beause.
Speaker 1: Why they showing sheep asses?
Speaker 2: Like I was just like, come on, come on it
Speaker 2: a sheep.
Speaker 3: Like, I said, you know what, I'm just adding this
Speaker 3: to it. I don't read this.
Speaker 1: I say that to say that I'm adding it to
Speaker 1: it's not there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but nah, it was interesting to see just
Speaker 3: like how distant they were from one another in the
Speaker 3: beginning of the movie, very reluctant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did it visually and.
Speaker 4: Audibly, right, So I thought that was that that's a
Speaker 4: good point because that was a note of mine that
Speaker 4: I had, Like they showed like how separate they were
Speaker 4: audibly and and physically, and then it gets gradually closer
Speaker 4: and closer and closer with dialogue as well. All of
Speaker 4: that wasn't, I'm sure obviously intentional, And I and I
Speaker 4: and I and I did.
Speaker 1: Really like that.
Speaker 2: Spike, where'd you think about the conversation that Ennis and
Speaker 2: Jack were having.
Speaker 1: At the bar? Skip to the bar already? I didn't skip.
Speaker 1: That's the part we're at.
Speaker 2: After they meet, they go to a bar, like literally,
Speaker 2: they get hired on and they go to a bar.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked. That's why I asked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so, like, this is how it going
Speaker 2: down on the ranches and stuff, is how they get
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen this on Yellowstone.
Speaker 2: And it just brown, but some similar to what abof
Speaker 2: kena Rodd said. You could tell how distant they were,
Speaker 2: reluctant they wore to talk to each other, and then
Speaker 2: that wall just kind of broke down.
Speaker 1: M hmm, Yeah, I was so.
Speaker 2: I liked the story that Ennis tells about his parents
Speaker 2: how they died in a car accident. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was a random story, but it sounds real that my
Speaker 2: parents were driving around curb, they didn't realize it was
Speaker 2: that sharp of a curb and they fucking died.
Speaker 1: But then watching it this second time, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: This is the first time, but this time I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: Jack keeps asking about beating in a rodeo and riding
Speaker 2: horses and shit, and I was like, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: it until this one.
Speaker 1: But I think this was new for Ennis. It was
Speaker 1: not new for Jack.
Speaker 2: I think Jack already had these feelings and I don't
Speaker 2: think I picked up on that the first time I
Speaker 2: watched it. I did think that one of them was
Speaker 2: more experience. I picked up differently Jack definitely, he was initiated.
Speaker 2: So this is the part that I was getting to
Speaker 2: that I didn't I didn't really like. So after night
Speaker 2: of drinking in some really cool weather, Jack makes a
Speaker 2: move on Ennis and after a little bit of resistance
Speaker 2: and it's gives them the penis.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what he was like. I'm about It's like,
Speaker 1: y'all can have this part of the conversation. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to discuss this point.
Speaker 5: What did y'all think about, uh, this scene in particular,
Speaker 5: as well as the romantic emotional relationship that they developed
Speaker 5: while they were on the mountain.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you Rod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, this ship like it it felt like it
Speaker 4: came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh it was. It's like because I
Speaker 1: feel like, no matter what I say, it's going to
Speaker 1: sound fucked up. I know, it's coming. It's like I
Speaker 1: know it's coming.
Speaker 4: I know it's coming. Like you've heard it, heard about it.
Speaker 4: I've heard about it my whole life. It's not my
Speaker 4: whole life, but part of the whole twenty five years
Speaker 4: that it's been off. I've always heard that it, you know,
Speaker 4: about the scenes or whatever, so I know at some
Speaker 4: point it's gonna happen or whatever. But that shit still
Speaker 4: caught me off guard. It's still like, I'm like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck that escalated so quickly or whatever? And then
Speaker 4: like I was like, oh shit, was that a dream?
Speaker 4: This whole time has been a dream? Because they wake
Speaker 4: up and it looked like they were still in the
Speaker 4: same position. Do you see that motherfucker buckler up its pants?
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, what fuck? That shit did happen?
Speaker 4: And so so yeah, uh so, yeah, escalated quickly is
Speaker 4: one of the first things I thought. I thought it
Speaker 4: did it. It reminded me kind of of the stuff
Speaker 4: that you hear about, like jail or whatever, like you're
Speaker 4: in these situations for so.
Speaker 1: Long with men or whatever, so maybe you just dog
Speaker 1: is it usually read? I don't know. I mean this
Speaker 1: kind of was.
Speaker 2: This was not rape. It was it was aggressive. Though
Speaker 2: it was very aggressive, he didn't seem like he wanted it.
Speaker 1: He took you serious, he took it. He he initiated it.
Speaker 1: Jack seemed like he forced to force the situation.
Speaker 2: He forced his booty on his deck. Were all talking
Speaker 2: about what I'm saying, is.
Speaker 4: It Yeah, you're probably right, But initially it seemed like
Speaker 4: Jack like, yo, man, come in the tent or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: This motherfucker wanted to stay in in the freezing cold
Speaker 4: and the sleeping there with that man, and he kept
Speaker 4: telling to come in or whatever, and then he pulled
Speaker 4: his hand around.
Speaker 1: Or that. Later yeah, yeah, yeah, he pulled his hand
Speaker 1: around him or whatever.
Speaker 4: You walk up like what the fuck you doing or whatever,
Speaker 4: and so at that point it's like, all right, can't
Speaker 4: like I don't want this, so but he kept coming close,
Speaker 4: like no, you do, you do?
Speaker 1: So it just felt forced. That felt forced to me.
Speaker 4: That don't feel forced if it's somebody say clearly like
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: He didn't say clearly, I don't want what?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What? His action showed clearly I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think I think equating this to to rape.
Speaker 4: I'm not never equating it to ray let me let
Speaker 4: me just back it up. I'm not equating it to rape.
Speaker 4: It just seemed a little forced to me. It's like
Speaker 4: he didn't want it. He did, he didn't want it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like rape.
Speaker 2: It does sound like rape, So so you're equating it
Speaker 2: to rape. It didn't, but didn't seem it didn't. Yes,
Speaker 2: now they flipped it like what Ken is saying. They
Speaker 2: flipped it once.
Speaker 4: He was like, all right, maybe I do want this,
Speaker 4: and so he turned him around and he was the
Speaker 4: aggress save.
Speaker 2: Or whatever I think it was supposed to be pushing
Speaker 2: this idea of Jack was picking up signals from Ennis.
Speaker 2: And when they got in the tent and he tried
Speaker 2: to pull his arm over and it was at first
Speaker 2: like no, man, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And Jack was like, no, I think you you you
Speaker 1: know you want it.
Speaker 2: And there was like this weird like struggle thing, and
Speaker 2: then pretty quickly and it's was like all right, ship.
Speaker 1: Let's go. They did this in Ozark too, remember the
Speaker 1: same type of way with the FBI and.
Speaker 2: The yeah I don't remember, oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I knew you remember in the hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nineteen sixty three cowboys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This this made it seem like that's a reoccurring thing
Speaker 2: that happens where they are.
Speaker 3: No, well, it's just the sixties, that sort of behavior
Speaker 3: being closeted. You know, I'm not like that, because that
Speaker 3: was one of they say, I let you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not queer.
Speaker 1: Is that I'm not either? You know, it was closetive though,
Speaker 1: well Jack probably wasn't. No, everybody here was. Y'all were
Speaker 1: closing eyes. Jack was a little bit. Jack was a
Speaker 1: little bit more.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess you're right they were because and
Speaker 4: it was like you like, which I thought was a
Speaker 4: really good scene towards the end, it's it's like you did.
Speaker 1: This to me. But either way, I'm jumping today. I
Speaker 1: think that they thought they were gay. They thought this
Speaker 1: was just a thing that they.
Speaker 2: Did, which is what you mean about jail, because people
Speaker 2: say that about jail, like Italians say that, like they
Speaker 2: said that in the Sopranos, Like I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: inside for ten years, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2: They weren't out there that long, y'all. They were lonely,
Speaker 2: and they were by themselves.
Speaker 4: Sure, but I feel like that's what they were trying
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 1: I do think there wasn't a lot of build up.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no, but I think that's what they were
Speaker 2: trying to say though. But that would be the opposite
Speaker 2: of what. Okay, we're gonna do this argument again, We're
Speaker 2: gonna go around a certain I feel what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's it's I don't think the equation.
Speaker 4: Again, it's my perspective. That's what I thought about. I
Speaker 4: thought about similar to jail. Okay, jail thought because a
Speaker 4: lot of those dudes come out and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: well it was just jail.
Speaker 2: Yes, but they don't then carry on romantic relationships. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe they do, maybe they don't. We don't know.
Speaker 1: Typically they don't. How do you know? I'm not mean, Okay, Ken,
Speaker 1: what did you think about the scene?
Speaker 3: Them motherfucker's out there getting buck wild Bro, And once
Speaker 3: it went down, both of them were all in. They
Speaker 3: out there wrestling and ship grab ass Bro. They were
Speaker 3: out there having him a good ass Broy. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: when Randy Quaid Aguar pulled up. It's like, what the
Speaker 3: they were going crazy?
Speaker 1: It was hating.
Speaker 3: Had none, you know, it was it was definitely like,
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't see it. I didn't see it
Speaker 3: unless y'all saw something different to where Jack had signs
Speaker 3: that in us would be receptive to that.
Speaker 2: I think he was trying them out, and I think
Speaker 2: that this is kind of what dudes do, whether it's
Speaker 2: with another guy or a woman. You try a couple
Speaker 2: of things out and see if it works. And that's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. All his all his advances were rejected.
Speaker 2: He only had one advance, was the one, the one
Speaker 2: the other one on the first ones when he's trying
Speaker 2: to get blood off his head and ship dab his
Speaker 2: head and give me that fucking rag, I'll do it myself.
Speaker 1: In the moon she was it was, Yes, it was.
Speaker 1: If I came over.
Speaker 2: After he got after he got his head busted open,
Speaker 2: I would expect you to want to help.
Speaker 1: You want me to on y'all, you would do that
Speaker 1: a fucking lately.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, my best bucket.
Speaker 2: His head opened on a cabinet and the first thing
Speaker 2: I did because he was like, oh my god, it
Speaker 2: was bleeding.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: The first thing I did was I grabbed a rag
Speaker 2: and I was like, hold your head up, hold your
Speaker 2: head up, and I was trying to clean the best friend. Sure,
Speaker 2: but this is this is I would well, I'm glad
Speaker 2: to know that if any of y'all ever get because
Speaker 2: if you got your head busted open and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I would absolutely go try to grab
Speaker 2: a rag and be like, hold your head back, let
Speaker 2: me see how deep it is. I would absolutely do that.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know y'all were so like weird about
Speaker 2: male touch that you don't freak out about that.
Speaker 4: If I see if I seem fine enough to dap
Speaker 4: my head myself, Like I could see if I'm like
Speaker 4: just kind of like unconscious or whatever and I need
Speaker 4: some assistance.
Speaker 1: But he seemed perfectly fine to just do the shit himself.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I didn't take it as an
Speaker 1: I didn't take it as an advance.
Speaker 4: It seemed in the in the context of the movie,
Speaker 4: it looked like an advance to me, all right.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing him accept that, you know, that was something
Speaker 3: he was interested in and really pretty much going all
Speaker 3: the way in bro like turning him around. And I
Speaker 3: wonder if he was doing that to make it seem like,
Speaker 3: you know, he was the one that was in control
Speaker 3: of the situation and instead of the other way around.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was the only thing. It was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well this was sudden because he didn't want to sleep
Speaker 3: in the ten you know, it just was cold as fuck.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to sleep in the tent because he
Speaker 1: thought that was gay. Oh I didn't think that that
Speaker 1: was it, because why else would he not want to
Speaker 1: sleep in the tent. It's fucking freezing outside. He was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not sharing a temp with no man,
Speaker 1: right he said that.
Speaker 2: He didn't say that. No, no, no, he didn't say that.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's definitely one person ten, so a little
Speaker 2: snuggle is natural, man. But yeah, I still vividly remember
Speaker 2: the first time I watched this movie. I was done.
Speaker 2: After this, I was like, this is stupid because my
Speaker 2: first thought is this can't be how this would happen,
Speaker 2: because how do you immediately know who is giving versus
Speaker 2: who's getting. There was no discussion. Moonlight did this so
Speaker 2: much better. I understand. Y'all on a beach, get a
Speaker 2: handy you realize this is what you know, this is
Speaker 2: what I like, and then for the rest of your life,
Speaker 2: your fot you're trying to search for that feeling. This
Speaker 2: was just like y'all just immediately go to oh, turnaround what.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know y'all gonna bug out and
Speaker 1: think it sounds weird.
Speaker 2: But if I was watching and if it started off
Speaker 2: with a blowjob or something, I'd be like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: makes more sense to me.
Speaker 1: But immediately going to turn around what And it looked
Speaker 1: like he did it before too.
Speaker 2: Right because he spilled his hand and just went I
Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, minute, this
Speaker 2: this seems weird.
Speaker 1: That's why to me it felt like a movie.
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure Angy is queer, but that's why
Speaker 2: to me, it felt like a movie that was written
Speaker 2: by straight people about how they think this happens, because.
Speaker 1: This is probably how your average straight person thinks, like, oh.
Speaker 2: They just round the ten hett fucking my anass. That
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me. It really does.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it did seem brupt, but I guess
Speaker 4: if I'm trying to give it, give it Grayson, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it could possibly happen like because it could be like
Speaker 4: one of those things like I'm not even gonna think
Speaker 4: about the shit, I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 2: But why would Jack immediately spin around like he like
Speaker 2: Enna's turning you around to me just yanked his and
Speaker 2: he was like, okay, cool, what what? And if we're
Speaker 2: supposed to believe that these are two men discovering their
Speaker 2: sexuality or discovering what they may like, it just seemed
Speaker 2: weird that there wasn't.
Speaker 1: Any kind of conversation nothing.
Speaker 2: It was just blow bam and and if I'm being
Speaker 2: a little grad, it went in real easy. I would
Speaker 2: think there'd be a little It's like, are y'all trying
Speaker 2: to make this movie realistic or not?
Speaker 1: Even if he had I it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I'm not even it doesn't seem like it seemed like
Speaker 2: a no experience for him.
Speaker 1: No, it just seemed like, you know, it didn't go in.
Speaker 1: He spit on his hand and went and that was it.
Speaker 1: In a fresh.
Speaker 2: Boekend, it seemed like it was a struggle, but I
Speaker 2: didn't see, well the struggle was before he went into blue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just seemed it just seemed weird to me. It
Speaker 2: seemed like maybe the studio got involved and was like,
Speaker 2: you know, let's make this kind of shocking. I don't
Speaker 2: I didn't really need shocking watching this movie.
Speaker 3: It was definitely was one of the most controversial moments
Speaker 3: back in that time, and talked about scenes.
Speaker 1: To see something like this on in a theater, I
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, I'm with you. It was. It caught
Speaker 1: a lot of people love guard. They were like, what
Speaker 1: was it?
Speaker 4: Twenty five years later, knowing what's supposed to happen still
Speaker 4: caught me off guard.
Speaker 2: It just irritates me because I mean, there's so many
Speaker 2: movies like you said, Call Me by Your Name or Moonlight,
Speaker 2: those movies do this story or uh, let's stay out
Speaker 2: the movie with Elliott Page. Fuck, I can't remember the
Speaker 2: name of it. But there's there's so many Huh.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've learned, maybe they've gotten better.
Speaker 2: But you would think a queer person writing this story
Speaker 2: would not make it so abrupt like this hollow watching
Speaker 2: it even again the first time, and this time, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, this doesn't make any sense, y'all, But you
Speaker 2: gotta just kind of let it go. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: so moving forward, the contract ends, Jack and and it's
Speaker 2: go their separate, their separate ways.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry I left the part out.
Speaker 2: They were playing a little, like I said earlier, a
Speaker 2: little a little playhouse fighting, and uh, they get rough
Speaker 2: and Jack ends up busting and it's his nose, which
Speaker 2: kind of led them to a sort of fight. But
Speaker 2: then they move past that pretty quick when the contract
Speaker 2: ends and they go their separate ways. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to start skipping over stuff because it's getting long.
Speaker 1: But come on, man, damn real quickly. I'm only ask
Speaker 1: one of y'all, whoever wants to take this stop, Spike,
Speaker 1: go outside. I told y'all.
Speaker 4: I told y'all, no matter how you say something, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking this Spike.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Ken, because ros long winded, what did
Speaker 2: you what did you take of the scene of Ennis
Speaker 2: breaking down and puking in the in the in the
Speaker 2: alleyway heartbroken?
Speaker 1: Is that what he was? Oh? You thought it was
Speaker 1: he was disgusted. I thought he was sickened of what
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 2: And I think he was wrestling with Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this just happened.
Speaker 1: This dude left and I'm feeling longing for him, and
Speaker 1: he just got sick. Well, I think, well, yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought he was like, okay, So there was the fight, yeah,
Speaker 3: which I think was him also still trying to reject
Speaker 3: that side because now they're about to come down to
Speaker 3: they about to go to the real world. Now they're
Speaker 3: living in this they're away from everybody. This is fantasy.
Speaker 3: He even told him, the only thing that matters is us.
Speaker 3: It's nobody else's business. But now you're going back to
Speaker 3: the real world where you're judged. We didn't know at
Speaker 3: the time he had this story that his dad, you
Speaker 3: know about with dad.
Speaker 1: We didn't know any of that.
Speaker 3: Maybe that could have been planned, but I felt like
Speaker 3: when they got down and there wasn't a further discussion
Speaker 3: about like what do we do next, him having to
Speaker 3: go marry this woman he probably don't want to marry,
Speaker 3: and him walking away from him.
Speaker 1: Because Chatcha pulled the fuck off. He seemed like and
Speaker 1: you know, it was just like, bro, that's it.
Speaker 3: And then it was just like he was heartbroken, like
Speaker 3: that world is over, that I no longer have that anymore,
Speaker 3: and now I gotta go live a life that I
Speaker 3: probably really don't want to live.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: I took it the opposite way. I took it as
Speaker 2: he was like, I cannot believe that just happened. Now
Speaker 2: I'm questioning every single thing about myself. And then he
Speaker 2: just got sick from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know who's right here,
Speaker 2: who's wrong. So Ennis ends up marrying his girlfriend, Alma
Speaker 2: has two kids. What did y'all think about the sex
Speaker 2: scene between Ennis and his wife Alma?
Speaker 1: Do you I remember this?
Speaker 3: I do remember that, and I thought it was it
Speaker 3: was interesting because I was like, Okay, how is this
Speaker 3: gonna play out? And he didn't want to look at her.
Speaker 3: He turned around like he was doing Jack, and even
Speaker 3: it seemed like on her face that that happens a
Speaker 3: lot because she was like in it, and she looked
Speaker 3: like she was like bro like because they were face
Speaker 3: to face and she wanted that intimacy of look at him,
Speaker 3: and he was like, nah, he flipped hers around.
Speaker 2: I had it that way one time and it was good.
Speaker 2: Let me try to get it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought this was actually a.
Speaker 2: Really interesting scene, the way he spun her around and
Speaker 2: he was rough with her, the same way he was
Speaker 2: kind of rough with with Jack. But I think Jack
Speaker 2: could just take it better. Y what'd you think of that?
Speaker 1: Seems fun? I thought it was indicative of the.
Speaker 6: Indive Why are y'all like this? Why are y'all like
Speaker 6: all the words? He did that on purpose? He did
Speaker 6: that on purpose? Man forget it, Jesus christ Man.
Speaker 1: Jack.
Speaker 2: After being told by a geary that there's no work
Speaker 2: for him, he moves back to Texas, where he meets
Speaker 2: Loreene Newsome. Yes, Stem and the Rose, I could look
Speaker 2: it up, but I still couldn't find a solid definition
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing.
Speaker 3: I looked it up, but apparently a thing for what
Speaker 3: I saw was just specific to this movie and they
Speaker 3: kind of made it up.
Speaker 2: See, So I went further and I did find other
Speaker 2: references outside of this movie, but typically it just means.
Speaker 1: They're goofing off.
Speaker 2: Because watching the movie the first time and this time,
Speaker 2: I was like, Stem and the Rose must be some
Speaker 2: kind of reference to being gay, That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like he was just saying, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not paying you, because remember they got there the couple
Speaker 2: of the sheep killed because they weren't paying attention.
Speaker 1: They were too busy fucking.
Speaker 2: So I think it was more to him just being
Speaker 2: like y'all were goofing off not paying attention. But any listeners,
Speaker 2: if you have a different explanation, please let me know.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, he meets Loreene news from the daughter
Speaker 2: of a wealthy agricultural agricultural machinery manufacturer.
Speaker 1: They get married and they have a son.
Speaker 2: But after four years past, Jack reaches out to Ennis
Speaker 2: and they meet up at Ennis in Alma's place. Rod,
Speaker 2: what did you think about what went down when they
Speaker 2: see each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was crazy. I thought it was
Speaker 1: crazy that he immediately out.
Speaker 7: In the in the in the open, like attacked this
Speaker 7: ass or whatever, and they was just right on the
Speaker 7: side of the apartment, like you know, liked kissing and
Speaker 7: shit like that's just stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was done like you're it's sixty three, so
Speaker 3: it's probably sixty seven or something. It was like a
Speaker 3: burning desire is the word that I thought about when
Speaker 3: I saw it, even that, like you know if and
Speaker 3: I know he looked around first, but come on, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's right there.
Speaker 2: Especially you got like, oh family and stuff, now that's right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like they wrote that so she could see
Speaker 3: him and kick off the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: This is another scene that I absolutely despised in this film,
Speaker 2: and this it ship like this that makes me not
Speaker 2: be able to enjoy it because it's so unrealistic. If
Speaker 2: you have, I know, you haven't seen this dude in
Speaker 2: a long time, and you've been aching.
Speaker 1: For his kiss. You know your wife is right there.
Speaker 2: Why would you do this right and eyeside of the door?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. They are the worst downlow, closeted
Speaker 2: gaze in the fucking universe. Because this didn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: It would have made far more sense if they went
Speaker 2: around the corner and did it and then she just
Speaker 2: happened to come down the stairs looking for them, yep.
Speaker 1: But to do it right in front of the door, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think they were just showing, Like I said, I
Speaker 4: think they were just showing the burning desire, like yo,
Speaker 4: I can't like I've been so because how long have
Speaker 4: been five.
Speaker 1: Years or four years? Four years?
Speaker 4: And it was just like he can't even control himself
Speaker 4: to that point that I'm gonna do this right here
Speaker 4: out in the open, right at the bottom steps of
Speaker 4: my house.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: I didn't like it either, especially with how he's lying
Speaker 2: to his wife the whole time about what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's like, but you just fucking kissed him, made out
Speaker 1: with him right in front of the door, and then y'all
Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: What the music they play.
Speaker 1: This is another thing that I hate about.
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all even notice, but every single
Speaker 2: time they see each other, it's this.
Speaker 1: Like sensitive guitar part. It's so corny.
Speaker 2: But it worked, though it did not work for me.
Speaker 1: I hated it.
Speaker 4: This shit sucks, man, because they made it seem like
Speaker 4: it's just a regular love story if even well it
Speaker 4: is a regular I know, that's what I'm saying that
Speaker 4: that was that's what would happen, That you would have
Speaker 4: that type of music playing and it would be cheesy,
Speaker 4: and people would be like, this is fucking cheesy even
Speaker 4: if you watch love stories.
Speaker 1: Now they don't do that anymore. Do you think people
Speaker 1: are scared to say that? Because yes, one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten percent. Yes, scared to say what? Scared to say
Speaker 1: they don't like.
Speaker 2: You see it seems like it's anti LGBTQ because I've gotten.
Speaker 1: Called out for that.
Speaker 2: They're like, really, it was like, dude, me not liking
Speaker 2: this film has nothing to do with my support of
Speaker 2: the queer community. I just think this movie sucks. I've
Speaker 2: never liked this movie. I've always thought it was bad,
Speaker 2: cheesy and boring and completely unrealistic.
Speaker 1: That part worked for me, but I like cheesy stuff.
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Speaker 2: did y'all think about the story that Ennis tells about
Speaker 2: the body that his father showed him.
Speaker 1: I start with you, King, because you were kind of
Speaker 1: hinting at that earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was a
Speaker 3: really good, interesting story that he told, and even the
Speaker 3: visual of like the blood in the in the genital area.
Speaker 1: I was like, dang, like that that was really abusive.
Speaker 3: And taking the dad like the dad especially talking about
Speaker 3: that story had to happen in the fifties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 3: and showing the kids and basically trying to scare it
Speaker 3: out of them, you know, and say this is.
Speaker 1: What happened to you if you are gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that that was that was an
Speaker 3: interesting story that eventually came around later, which is again
Speaker 3: him kissing that guy in the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Day out in the open, just didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was going to i'ma I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get your opinion in a second spike, That's exactly where
Speaker 2: I was going. It already didn't make any sense. It
Speaker 2: makes even less sense after Ennis tells this story. If
Speaker 2: you know what can happen, and you're constantly throughout the
Speaker 2: film being the one that's like, we can't do that's
Speaker 2: out in the open.
Speaker 1: We have to be careful.
Speaker 2: But you're the one that initiated this makeout session right
Speaker 2: in front of your own house, out in the open.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. It just seems like bad
Speaker 2: writing to me. Does he speak to his desire, then
Speaker 2: maybe like he knows all of this stuff. His dad
Speaker 2: told him this, but he desired him so much that
Speaker 2: he couldn't help himself.
Speaker 1: No, because but even then I think that.
Speaker 2: Would be like over sexualized and gave me like they
Speaker 2: couldn't contain themselves. That is also a lot of what
Speaker 2: I felt with this film. It was like, y'all are
Speaker 2: making this out to where it's like these dudes can't
Speaker 2: even think straight because they just want this so badly.
Speaker 2: But then you're following it up by making it clear
Speaker 2: that they understand the dangers. If Jack was the one
Speaker 2: that was initiating a lot of this, I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's Jack, and if and this was like man stop,
Speaker 2: that scene would have made sense to me.
Speaker 4: I think it's because, like the interactions are so far
Speaker 4: few in between, so by the time they see each other,
Speaker 4: it's just like, man, they are they are really excited.
Speaker 2: I can be really like if I adn't seen my
Speaker 2: girl in three weeks and and she comes to my
Speaker 2: mom's house, I'm not slopping her down on the front
Speaker 2: porch of my mom's house.
Speaker 1: That's three weeks. I mean, but you take it for
Speaker 1: a month.
Speaker 2: I'm not slopping her down on my mom's porch, and
Speaker 2: you're not either.
Speaker 1: Jack could have the you know me momn whatever I
Speaker 1: feel like. So I.
Speaker 3: Get what you're saying, and I get your follow up
Speaker 3: question to that.
Speaker 1: The issue is that for the rest of the movie, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of time afraid of being.
Speaker 2: Discovered exactly exactly And it might seem like a small thing,
Speaker 2: but it's just these small things kept happening throughout the film.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, man, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Who wrote this, Spike, when did you?
Speaker 4: But it might make sense to the to that person
Speaker 4: in the moment, they might think they're being super discreet
Speaker 4: or in front.
Speaker 1: Of your wife's door with your kids. Yeah, his kids
Speaker 1: were in the house, so you gotta be dumb, not you.
Speaker 2: But the person in the movie has to be dumb
Speaker 2: as fuck to think he's being discreet by making out
Speaker 2: right in front of the fucking the front door.
Speaker 1: Well I'm past the in front of the front door.
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about like just them, oh, go on
Speaker 4: this fishing trip and like it.
Speaker 2: Just ohod and give your opinion, because I don't think
Speaker 2: Spike wants to talk about to go ahead.
Speaker 1: Getting out with that we can transition. Go ahead, where
Speaker 1: were you before?
Speaker 2: I was yes, about Earl and Rich and how the
Speaker 2: town suspected them being a gay and they beat Earl
Speaker 2: to death and towards dick.
Speaker 4: Off, and and then y'all start talking about that. You
Speaker 4: would think there would be a lot more discreet after
Speaker 4: those stories and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that that made this the part before
Speaker 2: it make even less sense.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what's just saying. Okay, right right.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, So they have these fishing trips on and
Speaker 2: off for a while, which they use as an excuse
Speaker 2: to meet up and spend some time with each other.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, their marriages are suffering.
Speaker 2: Ns ends up getting a divorce and Jack hears about
Speaker 2: it and drives up to talk to him.
Speaker 1: What did you think about how that conversation went, Spike?
Speaker 1: How did it go? I thought Jack was being a
Speaker 1: dick so he walks up to him.
Speaker 2: I think for some reason, Jack had convinced himself that
Speaker 2: since Ennis wrote him saying, hey, I'm getting a divorce,
Speaker 2: that means so when he go he went up there
Speaker 2: and and it's was like, hey, bro, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: got my kids this weekend, And Jack got mad because
Speaker 2: he thought that that letter was like an open invitation
Speaker 2: to be with me, but.
Speaker 1: He was not even understanding of I have my kids
Speaker 1: this weekend and that was okay. That goes to the
Speaker 1: question that I asked you too. I felt like.
Speaker 2: They were painting this picture the people that wrote it
Speaker 2: as to like that's the only thing that they could
Speaker 2: think about. This point didn't seem like sex. It seemed
Speaker 2: more like, I want to be with you even then,
Speaker 2: if it's even beyond the sexual part of it. But
Speaker 2: I'm only thinking about being with you, like people prioritize
Speaker 2: their relationships, and they were acting like he couldn't do it,
Speaker 2: and he was acting like you said, I got my kids,
Speaker 2: like I'm prioritizing you even if I do want to
Speaker 2: be with you, and the other guy was just like
Speaker 2: so mind blown by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like that betrayal. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But I think with Jack, maybe it was I have
Speaker 2: been searching because maybe he's had queer sex before, but
Speaker 2: maybe he's not been in lust fit with another man.
Speaker 2: So I think in that moment it was just I
Speaker 2: found someone that I want to actually be with, not
Speaker 2: just go have sex with. I want to be with
Speaker 2: this person, and this person seems like they want to
Speaker 2: be with me.
Speaker 1: So it just seemed like.
Speaker 2: He was he was thirsty, he was desperate, and he
Speaker 2: just read the signals wrong.
Speaker 3: I mean, he spent a lot of which I mean,
Speaker 3: he should have known better because in his constantly over
Speaker 3: and over again rejected the premise, the idea of even
Speaker 3: being together, right, which is how he even told him
Speaker 3: the story in the first place. It was like, Bro,
Speaker 3: you don't think I'm telling you. It's gonna look weird
Speaker 3: because of this thing that happened. It looked weird back then.
Speaker 3: We can't be together, Like it's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And when he got the yeah, because at that he
Speaker 3: was kind of even hinted to ins at the time,
Speaker 3: just how's your relationship going, how's everything going to the marriage?
Speaker 3: How should get a divorced coming back with me? So
Speaker 3: he had already been trying to get him anyway, and
Speaker 3: so when it happened, he.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh shit, it's on and popping, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, and the whole thing with the
Speaker 3: fishing trips and stuff like that, like they were so
Speaker 3: terrible at that, but I know we'll get to that later,
Speaker 3: but even the first day, like I know, the white
Speaker 3: fella was like, oh yeah, so you know, we're gonna
Speaker 3: go drinking and we may not come back.
Speaker 1: I may not come back tonight. Brouh. So bad for her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably now.
Speaker 2: That seemed realistic for a fifties woman in Texas. No,
Speaker 2: they were in Texas because she can't say ship right.
Speaker 2: She was just like, all right, here's one I.
Speaker 1: Asked the divorce. He was just a piece of ship
Speaker 1: and us.
Speaker 3: He just like, did Jack have anything to do with
Speaker 3: this because it seemed like he just wasn't fulfilling his
Speaker 3: duties to the point where she just got got over it.
Speaker 2: I think it started with from what I remember, at least,
Speaker 2: it started with he they were trying to fuck or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then she was like, basically to get a condom.
Speaker 2: If you don't want to have my kids, you know,
Speaker 2: we won't have to you know, we ain't got to
Speaker 2: do this. And then she said I'll have your kids
Speaker 2: if you support them. So I think what it was
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, you're onto something. He was being a
Speaker 2: piece of ship. She was looking at it like you're
Speaker 2: never fucking here. Yeah, I'm always taking care of the kids.
Speaker 2: I mean even when she was at work and he
Speaker 2: came and dropped the kids off and she's like, what
Speaker 2: about my job?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't keeping a job right and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he just was. He was a terrible husband.
Speaker 2: Right, He was a bad husband, even outside of even
Speaker 2: if this was not related to him cheating on her
Speaker 2: with Jack, if he was really going off on fishing trips,
Speaker 2: he would be a bad husband.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so she had every round or every reason
Speaker 1: to get a divorce.
Speaker 2: After Jack drives up to Mexico to get his freak on,
Speaker 2: he has a conflict with his stepfather at the dinner table. Rob,
Speaker 2: what do you think about this scene? This is one
Speaker 2: of the best scenes. I wanted to beat that old
Speaker 2: man's yo.
Speaker 4: He he pitched up real quick, right, I'll be talking
Speaker 4: right right right, Nah, But I thought that was really good.
Speaker 4: He finally stood up for himself. Even his wife gave like,
Speaker 4: gave him more respect or whatever. So he kind of
Speaker 4: saw that a little bit, and she looked at her, See,
Speaker 4: supposed to your daddy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I did. I did like that he was being super.
Speaker 4: Differ respectful, very Yeah, damn I wanted to carve the
Speaker 4: fucking turkey.
Speaker 1: Want to turn on the TV that crazy man.
Speaker 8: I was like, man, y'all, yeah, you sit your ass down, yo, Jill,
Speaker 8: all your gass down, put your inger ass down right,
Speaker 8: knocked your ass in the next week like man was.
Speaker 1: Man, yo, Yeah that was saying I think too.
Speaker 4: I like that. That was probably one of the best scenes.
Speaker 1: Did he only do it out of anger? Though? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was frustrated. He was frustrated years and years of
Speaker 1: like him disrespectful. I thought he was mad because old
Speaker 1: boy rejected him. That's what I thought. It was frustration board,
Speaker 1: I ain't taking this ship no more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that she was just specting when he threw
Speaker 4: the keys at him when the baby came.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked like me and like that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a good scene. I did like that.
Speaker 3: That's one of the best ones.
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of the scene of all my
Speaker 2: calling enis out in the kitchen Ennis out in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I was like, bout times.
Speaker 4: Jack twist boy like Jack mask, Oh my god, I
Speaker 4: lost What kind of disc was that?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Brook?
Speaker 1: Jack nasty? Yo? I was you a white woman?
Speaker 3: Not knowing how to get because a black woman probably
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 2: With your dirty dick, right, Yeah, she would twist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, man, you wait to now to say
Speaker 2: that ship like in front of your new husband.
Speaker 1: He was a sucker too, he was because he didn't
Speaker 1: get up from his her all that ship.
Speaker 2: He had to I'm gonna call him and Roll was
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: Bro, you can hear he can hear you here, get
Speaker 3: up when she when the badass kid grabbed that jar
Speaker 3: and everything and fell down. I would have made them
Speaker 3: pay for all that ship me too, but he was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they were just we know what that scene was.
Speaker 4: I did like that, Like they did a good job
Speaker 4: with timing, like like like uh, moving time along. I
Speaker 4: thought it was cool because we saw that scene and
Speaker 4: it made sense when we saw him later as her husband.
Speaker 4: Like that's really good filmmaking to be able to like
Speaker 4: not even show the stuff that happened between it, but
Speaker 4: it makes sense when you see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do agree with that.
Speaker 3: It was it was definitely a setup for later for
Speaker 3: c But yeah, this this part.
Speaker 1: Of the movie, this movie was two hours and fourteen minutes. Bro.
Speaker 1: This middle section of them going back and forth they up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they gonna spend all this up. But no,
Speaker 3: I liked her calling him out and the story she
Speaker 3: told makes sense. And and then I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 3: y'all fucking stupid nobody.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Even one time he was leaving, he even forgot the
Speaker 3: tackle box. She was like, you're forgetting something, bro, what
Speaker 3: are you doing about to go tackle some box? I
Speaker 3: don't need this tackle box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got, you know, I got, I got
Speaker 1: my fishing.
Speaker 3: But she said, like, and all these trips, because even
Speaker 3: even even Jack's wife was picking up on it too,
Speaker 3: But all these trips you were going on, and you
Speaker 3: gotta cover it up. When your wife is saying and
Speaker 3: your daughter is saying, bring fish, all.
Speaker 1: Right, we like fish and fish on, He's like, we
Speaker 1: ate them all.
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, come on, dude, we ate them all.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you think, Okay, let me go stop at
Speaker 2: the store then and grab a couple of fish.
Speaker 1: But your dumb ass every time comes home with none. Nothing.
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, these are the worst download dudes
Speaker 2: on the planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after he gets called out talking about putting the
Speaker 2: note on his on his fishing pole and how the
Speaker 2: note was still there.
Speaker 1: Which means he never used it like a dumb fuck.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He leaves and goes out and gets his ass whooped
Speaker 2: the middle of the street, but he continues his uh,
Speaker 2: his fishing fishing freak offs with Jack and he starts
Speaker 2: dating this waitress named Cassie. But that I didn't find
Speaker 2: that interesting. If y'all do stop me, I didn't at all.
Speaker 2: But Jack and his wife Lauren make friends with another couple,
Speaker 2: Randy and Randall and Lashawan was it implied that Jack
Speaker 2: and Randall were getting it on.
Speaker 1: You know? That was hot from ye.
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, you know, my boss got a cabin.
Speaker 3: You know you want to go go fishing fishing right
Speaker 3: now and gonna be cold, bro. It's that like it's cold,
Speaker 3: we can go fish to hang out ship like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got this stranger thing for you. But they
Speaker 1: were definitely looking at each other at the table and
Speaker 1: ship like that. I thought this was kind of a
Speaker 1: weird scene too.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, I hate to pick
Speaker 2: this movie apart the way y'all did Five Nights, but
Speaker 2: there was just so much ship that I was like.
Speaker 1: This seems unrealistic. Because it's like, how did he know?
Speaker 2: Jack was not doing anything that would have implied like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ask you to come to my cabin.
Speaker 6: What.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I agree with you that that was
Speaker 3: very forward. Yeah, just by a gage, just you know, gaze.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Nah. This scene didn't work for me
Speaker 2: at all. Interesting It did work for me because it
Speaker 2: was it was just like how Jack did enis or
Speaker 2: what his name?
Speaker 1: And you know it, I'm tired of y'all today. Man.
Speaker 1: It was just like how Jack did enis? See? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah he did.
Speaker 4: It seemed the same to me because and it's never
Speaker 4: showed any signs to me that that he was interested.
Speaker 1: In that way. The same way y'all saying that about Jack.
Speaker 2: It was just like the gaze that you were talking
Speaker 2: aboute But they were in the same tent. It was
Speaker 2: an intimate situation and it was only them. They still
Speaker 2: tried him out in the open with their why was
Speaker 2: right there, So it just they had to give me
Speaker 2: more for me to be like, Okay, this seems very similar.
Speaker 4: It seemed like it seemed like the roles were reversed
Speaker 4: in this situation, and I was like, oh, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was another part where he tried to buy a
Speaker 1: dude to drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he picked up on it and walked away.
Speaker 2: That part made sense because he was being weird. He
Speaker 2: was being really I'm sure, but I don't know how
Speaker 2: many of y'all have actually had this spaar. I've been
Speaker 2: hit on by gay dudes at bars, and they are
Speaker 2: the dudes at least that I've run into in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They were very forward, but it was as simple as
Speaker 2: a bro I appreciate you, but no.
Speaker 1: Thanks, and it was done. I thought I thought he was.
Speaker 2: This scene made no That scene made sense to me,
Speaker 2: where he was just like he was being very forward
Speaker 2: and the guy picked up on it pretty quickly and
Speaker 2: was just like, no, I'm good, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 1: I thought he was.
Speaker 3: He just wasn't willing to come out and over because
Speaker 3: they kind of looked for each other.
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. I thought that he was just
Speaker 1: being cool. At the bar.
Speaker 2: Dude walked up sorry hitting on him, and he picked
Speaker 2: up on it, but he didn't want to like call
Speaker 2: him out. He was just like, I'm cool on this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jet and then he left Jack there looking stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack got mad. He sure did get mad. You motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you don't want this butt. Don't think you don't think
Speaker 1: I go before my own fucking whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 4: I think Jack kind of showed that he wasn't into
Speaker 4: his wife either, and I feel I think.
Speaker 1: He showed like similarities to him.
Speaker 2: But why would you automatically pick up, Oh, you must
Speaker 2: be queer. I might be like y'all might have just
Speaker 2: gotten a fight a couple of minutes ago. It seemed
Speaker 2: like a weird jump to automatically be like, hey man,
Speaker 2: my boy got this cabin owt lif If you ain't
Speaker 2: doing shit, you want to go.
Speaker 4: But it still was weird. It still was like subtle
Speaker 4: in a way it was not. It wasn't like yo, let's.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like yo let's.
Speaker 1: Fuck. It was just like drink. Listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: You know you I couldn't even watch the blood off
Speaker 9: your forehead, but you said I can invite you to
Speaker 9: my boys cap just being you yoking about b oh No,
Speaker 9: you and your wife and me and my wife will
Speaker 9: both go up and hang out together.
Speaker 1: He left the wives ain't.
Speaker 4: Always go, kid, that ain't hot that he just can
Speaker 4: not go like that. He that, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: No serious? I'm being dead that serious? You thought that
Speaker 4: was still it's still subtle. What we're gonna do with
Speaker 4: the cabin rod, We're gonna go fishing?
Speaker 1: Were not somebody going fishing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna go fishing. We're gonna do some hunting.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, that it wasn't It wasn't overt.
Speaker 4: It's all I'm saying. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's cool in the movie, and.
Speaker 1: It seems that way.
Speaker 4: But I feel like it was the same ship that
Speaker 4: that that Jack was doing.
Speaker 1: It was very subtle ship until it's not because they
Speaker 1: ended up in a relationship. I think, man, they did.
Speaker 1: They did that. I get that they did. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that's not what he was doing.
Speaker 4: He was doing that, but it was I'm saying that
Speaker 4: he was just like just testing the water. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, my boy, you know you got a cabin
Speaker 4: out there. You know you want to hang out some time.
Speaker 4: And he was like, oh, I know what that means.
Speaker 4: That's my move, trying.
Speaker 2: To play the player, right, that's my move.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't like this. I thought this was I
Speaker 1: liked it I liked it all right.
Speaker 2: Well, what did y'all think about the argument that Ennis
Speaker 2: and Jack get into after their last fishing trip.
Speaker 1: This is the one where Jack was like, we could
Speaker 1: have had a good fucking life, edis, but all.
Speaker 2: We got is broke back mountain. I wish I know
Speaker 2: how to quit you.
Speaker 3: That's thet I know how to quit you. I think
Speaker 3: that's the That's one of the quotables from it is.
Speaker 1: It is, I said all the time, all the time. Now,
Speaker 1: this is good. I think this is what I was
Speaker 1: talking about earlier when he's like, I wouldn't beat his
Speaker 1: wayward for you. Yeah, he acted like Jack turned him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, And I thought that was And then
Speaker 1: Jack was I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry I turned you out. Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry man, Like, yeah, no, this is good. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: have though, I wouldn't have when it turned him out?
Speaker 3: Well, if if Jack never made the probably would have
Speaker 3: went and.
Speaker 2: He said this is your fault. Yeah, he said, this
Speaker 2: is your He said you did this to me. I
Speaker 2: did turn him out the way, Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: I think he was.
Speaker 2: Clearly, and it's had like a feeling. So yeah, he
Speaker 2: probably would have lived his life and just ignored the
Speaker 2: fact that he had queer tendencies or whatever or desires
Speaker 2: however you want to phrase it.
Speaker 1: But I thought this scene was I agree.
Speaker 2: I thought this scene was was was good.
Speaker 1: High altitude is crazy though, I thought that was wild.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that would give me the high altitude fuck.
Speaker 4: I like how they made these guys especially and it
Speaker 4: seemed like such.
Speaker 1: Like a man manlies man, but then he was he
Speaker 1: had a very sensitive side to him, So I like that.
Speaker 4: I liked that they were able to depict that that
Speaker 4: it's not just you know, some overly feminine guy that's
Speaker 4: gay or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like you got two very masculine men that I didn't get.
Speaker 1: Bro huh, I said, you got some I this is
Speaker 1: two very masculine men. No.
Speaker 2: I thought the casting for this, even though these are
Speaker 2: both great a. I thought the casting was dog ship
Speaker 2: really absolutely, but they but they even brought up like
Speaker 2: these two little squawnny guys, so they I don't think
Speaker 2: they were trying to make it seem like they were
Speaker 2: overly masculine.
Speaker 4: They say scotty, but they don't. They didn't look like
Speaker 4: scrawny guys to me.
Speaker 1: They did to me, they didn't look like buff manly cowboys.
Speaker 1: It seemed like tough guys.
Speaker 4: They seem like tough guys to me until that one
Speaker 4: guy to put his dick in the dirt.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: That, How dare you hit me in my car?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he gave him one of them two guys
Speaker 4: work at the fucking that was man and if we're
Speaker 4: fucking scene, that scene was dope as funk.
Speaker 1: When he kicked it up.
Speaker 2: That dude, the firewors is going home. That ship was
Speaker 2: just there like, yeah, you look at the right right.
Speaker 10: I said, right too quick, throw my legs. Ron he
Speaker 10: did have that John clop Man.
Speaker 1: Damn here.
Speaker 2: Out. I want the microphone and pick that up.
Speaker 1: He laughed, my forty.
Speaker 2: Since I was twelve. Oh my god, we gotta ship
Speaker 2: was smooth, a little smooth.
Speaker 1: That ship was Mann sooth.
Speaker 2: So and it's.
Speaker 1: And it's gets a postcard, says the check out.
Speaker 2: I gotta stop laughing, hold on and to get the postcard,
Speaker 2: and says Jack died. He calls and speaks to his
Speaker 2: wife and she tells him that he was popping up
Speaker 2: a tire and it blew up and the rim hit
Speaker 2: his face and he died by choking on his own blood.
Speaker 1: What did y'all take from this?
Speaker 4: The first thing I want to point out is like,
Speaker 4: it said deceased, So I guess like it's the perfect
Speaker 4: person dies on the transit of a letter.
Speaker 2: They have to put it on there. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they have to. Maybe the wife marked him as
Speaker 2: to cease. I don't know how that works, but.
Speaker 4: Either I feel like that was a post office thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, mmm, because I was wondering about that part.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, why how did you.
Speaker 1: Just say deceased? I don't know. Interesting.
Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting, But what was the actual question?
Speaker 4: What did y'all think about this? But that was the
Speaker 4: first thing I thought. I was like, I went up
Speaker 4: to post office put deceased on it, and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Died for real.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was interesting to see how all of
Speaker 4: this is going to play out after he after he died,
Speaker 4: and what he was gonna do all and he called her.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought was interesting because I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: what dang, she did kind of pick up on his
Speaker 4: lifestyle because they didn't wreak that.
Speaker 1: They didn't make that clear.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, that Jack's wife picked up his life
Speaker 4: on his lifestyle. I know you said it earlier because
Speaker 4: he's like, well, why he can't never come down here
Speaker 4: to fish? But I still didn't think that was They didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't show that his wife picked up on it.
Speaker 2: I guess we're to assume that at some point she
Speaker 2: figured it out. At least that's what I always took
Speaker 2: from the scene. I don't know if Jack was actually murdered,
Speaker 2: because all it shows is is Ennis kind of visualized
Speaker 2: visualizing it based on what his.
Speaker 1: Dad told him.
Speaker 2: So we're not sure if if he really just got
Speaker 2: hit in the face and chrunk in his own blood,
Speaker 2: or if he was really murdered. The ship that she
Speaker 2: said sounds super far fit.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 2: It did, and especially the attitude she was giving made
Speaker 2: it sound like bullshit. So I'm thinking she knew, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he was murdered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely sounded like shit.
Speaker 3: And I think that's, of course, this cover up story
Speaker 3: that they came up with when she suspected as much.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's, you know, a thing where you know,
Speaker 3: gay guys were getting beat up and jumped and killed
Speaker 3: for being gay, and it's kind of known, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's why. So they just try to make it
Speaker 3: the obituary and stuff sound, you know, good, to protect his.
Speaker 1: And I thought maybe her dad called a hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 2: That's why I've always thought like, maybe his dad picked
Speaker 2: up on it because he made that comment about you
Speaker 2: want your son to be a man, don't you. So
Speaker 2: I always took it as the dad was figuring things out,
Speaker 2: and the dad, since he was rich, yeah.
Speaker 1: Figured it out and put the hit on him. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. Oh yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: So and it goes we're almost done, y'all, And it
Speaker 2: goes to Jack's family home to get his ashes to
Speaker 2: take the broke back, but.
Speaker 1: His father refuses.
Speaker 2: However, his mother lets him go up to see Jack's room,
Speaker 2: and there he finds an old old shirt, that old
Speaker 2: shirt that he left on the mountain after they got in.
Speaker 1: That little fight. Jack apparently kept it and had it
Speaker 1: nestled lovingly inside.
Speaker 2: One of his own shirts. What do you think about
Speaker 2: this part? Spike was a sweet? Yeah, it was sweet
Speaker 2: for this movie. It No, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 2: It showed it little his heart was there for him
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was done really well. It was. They did
Speaker 1: an amazing job with the scene. With this scene here,
Speaker 1: it really captured like his had motion.
Speaker 4: The motion was definitely captured, like just from him grabbing,
Speaker 4: like grabbing on the fabric and pulling.
Speaker 1: It close to himself.
Speaker 4: Like I was like, God, they killing this right here, this,
Speaker 4: this is this is really really good.
Speaker 2: Watching this, I could tell why they want to watch
Speaker 2: one hundred. I could tell why they want to watch this.
Speaker 1: One of those type of movies.
Speaker 2: I like this part, but I don't see how they
Speaker 2: want towards I didn't think the acting was that good,
Speaker 2: and I definitely don't think the script was good at all,
Speaker 2: this particular part that Jake, what's the dude name, he's
Speaker 2: a great actor, Jack, and then the other guy was
Speaker 2: he fledged Yeah, But I didn't walk away from any
Speaker 2: of this being like, oh, yeah, they should have definitely
Speaker 2: won awards, not even realized he loves yeah joker.
Speaker 1: I think that it's safe to assume the parents knew. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I assume they did. The dad basically said it.
Speaker 3: He was talking about guys coming out to live together,
Speaker 3: or Jack was going to have some guy come out.
Speaker 1: The guy and the guy that that that that the
Speaker 1: stranger things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ended up having a relationship. Actually, I think
Speaker 4: that's probably how the wife found out too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the damn the dad was telling because it's like
Speaker 3: he was just still in mourning shock or whatever, and
Speaker 3: he was talking about I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: him or was saying that Jack always talked about having
Speaker 3: a friend come out and living together on the ranch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I don't know a male friend. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a male friend. I see.
Speaker 2: I always took it. So I'm confused about this part
Speaker 2: because he says he says something like, you know, he
Speaker 2: wanted to be buried on uh broke Back Mountain, but no,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get buried in the family plot.
Speaker 1: If he knew, why would.
Speaker 2: He be like, yeah, take this motherfucker's as just broke back.
Speaker 1: I don't want this shit around for who he was.
Speaker 3: But he also knew that in this day and age
Speaker 3: and that time period, they have to be closeted. So
Speaker 3: I think to protect the family, he just kind of
Speaker 3: they just kind of kept that to themselves.
Speaker 1: Remember, even the mom was like, we know what broke
Speaker 1: back is. She said that kind of aggressively too. You
Speaker 1: don't remember that she did. I believe you, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that part they knew.
Speaker 4: I think he said to assume that they they knew
Speaker 4: who who their son was, and the mother always knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like they were saying it without saying
Speaker 3: it because of you know, it was probably the seventies
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I assumed that they knew. That's why she's like,
Speaker 4: you can go to his room and all of that.
Speaker 4: It's like, definitely come back and see us.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: That's why I was assuming that they did not know,
Speaker 2: because if her dad was that mad about her son
Speaker 2: being gay, why would the wife be like, yeah, come
Speaker 2: on back.
Speaker 1: On me and see us anytime.
Speaker 4: That's weird because it seemed like one of those like
Speaker 4: kind of what Kim was lose to, like those those
Speaker 4: old couples.
Speaker 1: They could be on two.
Speaker 4: Sides of the of the coin, but still like one
Speaker 4: could have one perspective and the other one have the
Speaker 4: other one, like, but you just let the other one
Speaker 4: just kind of live with it.
Speaker 1: My dad was definitely pushing back. Yeah, mom was.
Speaker 2: She was the one like, no, I don't forget what
Speaker 2: he's talking about. Just you could come back anytime you
Speaker 2: want to come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I took it, and that's one of
Speaker 4: the old couples like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the dad realized I don't put together who
Speaker 3: he was to Jack, that's why he was like, we
Speaker 3: bearing his ass here, right.
Speaker 1: You ain't taking his ass nowhere. I know y'all did
Speaker 1: y'all thing and ic, but no, he's staying here all right.
Speaker 2: So last scene fast forward some years and we see
Speaker 2: his daughter Alma Alma Junior come to uh Ennis's place
Speaker 2: to invite him to her wedding. After he agrees to go,
Speaker 2: she leaves her sweater by accident, and he puts it
Speaker 2: in the closet.
Speaker 1: Where we find the shirts.
Speaker 2: Now he has Jack's shirt nestled inside one of his
Speaker 2: shirts and next to it a postcard of Broke Back Mountain.
Speaker 1: And the movie ends with Ennis saying dragon swear.
Speaker 3: To god, Yeah, I don't get down to get the end.
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, that's it. Yeah, I know it
Speaker 3: really wasn't.
Speaker 1: Much came in. He wanted to ask what was the
Speaker 1: significance he's all living alone and he's still a piece
Speaker 1: of ship. I swear, you're ruined me quit his job again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to go watch his because it's dark, but it
Speaker 3: looked like he had been doing kind of ship because
Speaker 3: his daughter was like wedd.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm not gonna go yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And then he changed his mind. He was
Speaker 1: mourning for that long. Bro, let it go. Dog.
Speaker 2: He he's like a widow, and maybe that's why he's saying,
Speaker 2: I swear, I swear to God, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't mess me up like I can't move on.
Speaker 1: I can't move on. I swear I can't move on.
Speaker 2: This is just one of those things that makes me
Speaker 2: dislike this movie. It's like, Bro, you just left us
Speaker 2: on this weird cliffhanger just to do It's just man,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a cliffhanger. I think it's like
Speaker 2: he just really he can't move on. I swear to
Speaker 2: God that that doesn't translate to I can't move on.
Speaker 2: That doesn't translate to anything. If they're intentionally leaving this
Speaker 2: very open ended.
Speaker 4: To me, it's not because it's like he's still like
Speaker 4: he said, he's still alone. He don't even want to
Speaker 4: go to his daughter's wedding. He's in his trucking double
Speaker 4: wide trailer or whatever and just looks lonely.
Speaker 1: You can't move on. I'm with you on that part.
Speaker 1: I'm just not with.
Speaker 2: You on when he says Jack, I swear to God
Speaker 2: that that automatically is you did this to me and
Speaker 2: I can't move on. It just doesn't translate. It doesn't
Speaker 2: that that statement itself doesn't mean anything. So it's just
Speaker 2: it's just annoying. But Yeah, anybody else got anything to
Speaker 2: say about this movie?
Speaker 1: The Mexico thing? What was that about? He just wanted
Speaker 1: to get a fix. Yeah, that's all that was.
Speaker 4: And then Jack brought it up again later talking about Mexico.
Speaker 4: What was that He was just saying.
Speaker 2: He was saying, we can go to Mexico because he
Speaker 2: thinks they'd be safe there because he's been going down
Speaker 2: there fucking around with with with with I guess prostitutes.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Sior. Yeah, I hate that.
Speaker 2: I don't like this movie, but I do. I do
Speaker 2: not like this movie one fucking bit. I don't like
Speaker 2: the acting, I don't like the story, I don't like
Speaker 2: the music.
Speaker 1: I think this movie is awful. Man.
Speaker 2: We don't like love stories. I'm I'm cool with love stories.
Speaker 2: I'm not good with this one. This movie is bad.
Speaker 2: So that's all I got. If anybody is cool, We're
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and end it here. Anybody got anything
Speaker 2: else they want to say? Good, all right, let us
Speaker 2: know what y'all thought, and we'll see all next time.
Speaker 1: We're out in peace.
Speaker 2: M