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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode the Frame Second Podcast. I'm heuse

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Speaker 2: for the evening. My name is Mike. Next to me,

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Speaker 2: I have Spike. Across from Spike, I have Ken. Next

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Speaker 2: to Ken, I have Rod, and this is an anniversary film.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what the year was or whatever, but

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Speaker 2: we are covering eight years twenty five years come a

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Speaker 2: twenty five year classic film, Broke Back Mountain. This was

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Speaker 2: one of Spike's suggestions, and I'm gonna start off with you, Spikes.

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Speaker 2: Why do you like this movie so much? Why did

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Speaker 2: you suggest we do it? I have never seen this movie.

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Speaker 2: I did not suggest it Where did this suggestion come from?

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Speaker 1: I really don't know. I think it was twenty five

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Speaker 1: year anniversary, that's why. But who picked this? Nobody had

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Speaker 1: to pigot. It just happened.

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Speaker 2: We usually picking anniversary for no no. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this was for just came, no pun attended. I feel

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Speaker 2: like this was forced, This was forced upon us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine, it's fine. You liked it, it

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Speaker 1: was okay. Really I didn't hate it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting day had a lot of interesting opinions today.

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Speaker 1: Ken, what did you think of this movie?

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Speaker 3: I think it's one of those movies where you watch

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Speaker 3: it once you're good. Yep, you know, you get the

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Speaker 3: story is good, it plays out. I think it did

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Speaker 3: a good you know, it was definitely a moment in

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Speaker 3: time when it released all those years ago. But I

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Speaker 3: think overall is the story. I think it were he

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Speaker 3: drafting spots, you know, but yeah, rewatching it, it was like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, it was slow as fuck. But but no,

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Speaker 3: overall it's good. It's a good love story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, was it a slow ass fuck for you? Rob Christ?

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Speaker 4: Like Spike, I had never used sty I've avoided twenty

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Speaker 4: five years. I've avoided this just I just had I

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Speaker 4: didn't feel like this movie was for me. I just

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Speaker 1: You like love stories, right, and how you know it's

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Speaker 1: not for you unless you try it something. I just know,

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Speaker 4: Y'all all have seen the other movie Don't Move, like right,

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Speaker 4: so that's to your point whatever, So like, uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 4: like like it wasn't I've always heard what the premise

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Speaker 4: know that that's I'm not rushing to go see that,

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Speaker 4: especially like I'm just not I just never had any

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Speaker 4: I won't say I won't have any desire because it's

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Speaker 1: I had desire because of all the nominations and received.

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I probably should see this film

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Speaker 1: Like so, I thought it was done really well.

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Speaker 4: Actually I thought it was I thought it was beautifully done.

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Speaker 4: And at this point, we've seen so much stuff like this,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. When this came out twenty

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Speaker 4: I've seen it in TV shows like I said, Moonlight,

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Speaker 4: so yeah, I'm just known to I just watched Call

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Speaker 4: It's it's you know, I watched it. I'm done. You know,

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Speaker 4: Like the sheep herding this stuff, like those scenes were

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Speaker 2: All right, this might be unexpected. I hate this movie.

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Speaker 2: I've never liked this movie. I have always thought this

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Speaker 2: movie is fucking terrible. This is my second time watching it.

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Speaker 2: made me feel like this movie seems like it was

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Speaker 2: made by straight people to give the impression of what

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Speaker 2: gives me the same feeling of white reviewers listening to

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Speaker 2: I understand the black experience. That's how it feels, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? But yeah, I don't like this movie.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the acting. I don't like the story

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Speaker 2: it is. I don't know for a fact, of course,

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Speaker 2: but how I would interpret this type of relationship to happen.

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Speaker 1: This is unbelievably unrealistic. It does look like.

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Speaker 2: We'll get there. There is a very specific part where

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Speaker 2: it turned me off for the whole film. I was like,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. That makes less than no sense.

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Speaker 2: you shut up, it's a better question for you, fucking stupid.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we're gonna go ahead and get into it.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty three, ya, actually, before we even go. The

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Speaker 2: Jack and Eni Twist us? The man's name is Enis

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Speaker 2: bro what are we doing us? You combined Penis and

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Speaker 2: Anus made a name out of it, so it just

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Speaker 2: seems like a troll. I think it's Ennis, But if

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Speaker 2: you look at it, it's just like what why why?

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Speaker 1: I just look at that. I think you're reaching with

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Speaker 1: that one. Damn, I'm just saying rude as hell I

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Speaker 2: I immediately apologized to Ken acknowledge that.

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Speaker 2: Damn, I'm still mad. I shot on his boufaril Okay,

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty three, uh Rod's Maine man, Enis del Mar

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Speaker 1: What did you think about Enis and Jack? Ken? Ennis

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Speaker 3: It seemed like Jack was more interested in him than

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Speaker 3: the other way around. It was interesting like when he

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Speaker 3: There was some questionable shots that they were doing. I

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Speaker 1: I was like, it was he didn't put a little

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Speaker 1: too much mouth. That's not reaching.

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Speaker 2: That's not reaching.

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Speaker 3: It is some of the ship looked like watching it,

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute the first time, but

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Speaker 3: now I'm like, beause.

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Speaker 1: Why they showing sheep asses?

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Speaker 2: Like I was just like, come on, come on it

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Speaker 3: Like, I said, you know what, I'm just adding this

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Speaker 1: I say that to say that I'm adding it to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but nah, it was interesting to see just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did it visually and.

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Speaker 4: Audibly, right, So I thought that was that that's a

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Speaker 4: that wasn't, I'm sure obviously intentional, And I and I

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Speaker 1: Really like that.

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Speaker 2: Spike, where'd you think about the conversation that Ennis and

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Speaker 1: At the bar? Skip to the bar already? I didn't skip.

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Speaker 1: That's the part we're at.

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Speaker 2: After they meet, they go to a bar, like literally,

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Speaker 2: they get hired on and they go to a bar.

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Speaker 1: That's why I asked. That's why I asked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so, like, this is how it going

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Speaker 1: I ain't never seen this on Yellowstone.

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Speaker 2: And it just brown, but some similar to what abof

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Speaker 2: kena Rodd said. You could tell how distant they were,

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Speaker 2: I liked the story that Ennis tells about his parents

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Speaker 1: But then watching it this second time, I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time, but this time I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Jack keeps asking about beating in a rodeo and riding

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Speaker 1: But I think this was new for Ennis. It was

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Speaker 2: I think Jack already had these feelings and I don't

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Speaker 2: So this is the part that I was getting to

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Speaker 2: that I didn't I didn't really like. So after night

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Speaker 2: of drinking in some really cool weather, Jack makes a

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Speaker 2: and it's gives them the penis.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's what he was like. I'm about It's like,

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Speaker 1: y'all can have this part of the conversation. I didn't

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Speaker 5: What did y'all think about, uh, this scene in particular,

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Speaker 5: as well as the romantic emotional relationship that they developed

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Speaker 5: while they were on the mountain.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you Rod.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, this ship like it it felt like it

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Speaker 4: came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh it was. It's like because I

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Speaker 4: I know it's coming. Like you've heard it, heard about it.

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Speaker 4: I've heard about it my whole life. It's not my

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Speaker 2: This was not rape. It was it was aggressive. Though

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Speaker 1: He took you serious, he took it. He he initiated it.

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Speaker 2: He forced his booty on his deck. Were all talking

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Speaker 4: It Yeah, you're probably right, But initially it seemed like

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Speaker 4: This motherfucker wanted to stay in in the freezing cold

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What? His action showed clearly I don't want to do this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not never equating it to ray let me let

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Speaker 4: It just seemed a little forced to me. It's like

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Speaker 1: Sounds like rape.

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Speaker 2: It does sound like rape, So so you're equating it

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Speaker 2: to rape. It didn't, but didn't seem it didn't. Yes,

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Speaker 2: now they flipped it like what Ken is saying. They

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Speaker 4: He was like, all right, maybe I do want this,

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Speaker 2: Or whatever I think it was supposed to be pushing

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Speaker 1: And Jack was like, no, I think you you you

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Speaker 2: And there was like this weird like struggle thing, and

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Speaker 1: Let's go. They did this in Ozark too, remember the

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Speaker 2: The yeah I don't remember, oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nineteen sixty three cowboys. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This this made it seem like that's a reoccurring thing

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Speaker 3: No, well, it's just the sixties, that sort of behavior

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Speaker 3: being closeted. You know, I'm not like that, because that

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Speaker 1: Is that I'm not either? You know, it was closetive though,

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Speaker 1: well Jack probably wasn't. No, everybody here was. Y'all were

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I guess you're right they were because and

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Speaker 4: really good scene towards the end, it's it's like you did.

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Speaker 1: This to me. But either way, I'm jumping today. I

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Speaker 1: think that they thought they were gay. They thought this

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Speaker 2: Did, which is what you mean about jail, because people

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Speaker 2: They weren't out there that long, y'all. They were lonely,

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Speaker 4: Sure, but I feel like that's what they were trying

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Speaker 1: I do think there wasn't a lot of build up.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't no, but I think that's what they were

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Speaker 2: of what. Okay, we're gonna do this argument again, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna go around a certain I feel what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's it's I don't think the equation.

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Speaker 4: Again, it's my perspective. That's what I thought about. I

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Speaker 4: well it was just jail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but they don't then carry on romantic relationships. That's

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Speaker 2: why I'm saying it's not the same.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe they do, maybe they don't. We don't know.

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Speaker 1: Typically they don't. How do you know? I'm not mean, Okay, Ken,

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Speaker 3: Them motherfucker's out there getting buck wild Bro, And once

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Speaker 3: it went down, both of them were all in. They

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Speaker 3: out there having him a good ass Broy. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: when Randy Quaid Aguar pulled up. It's like, what the

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Speaker 1: It was hating.

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Speaker 3: Had none, you know, it was it was definitely like,

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Speaker 3: you know, we didn't see it. I didn't see it

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Speaker 3: unless y'all saw something different to where Jack had signs

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Speaker 2: I think he was trying them out, and I think

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Speaker 2: that this is kind of what dudes do, whether it's

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. All his all his advances were rejected.

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Speaker 2: He only had one advance, was the one, the one

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Speaker 1: In the moon she was it was, Yes, it was.

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Speaker 1: If I came over.

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Speaker 2: After he got after he got his head busted open,

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Speaker 2: I would expect you to want to help.

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Speaker 1: You want me to on y'all, you would do that

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Speaker 1: a fucking lately.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, my best bucket.

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Speaker 2: His head opened on a cabinet and the first thing

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Speaker 2: I did because he was like, oh my god, it

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: The first thing I did was I grabbed a rag

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Speaker 2: but this is this is I would well, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I would absolutely go try to grab

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Speaker 2: me see how deep it is. I would absolutely do that.

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't know y'all were so like weird about

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Speaker 4: If I see if I seem fine enough to dap

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Speaker 1: But he seemed perfectly fine to just do the shit himself.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I didn't take it as an

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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing him accept that, you know, that was something

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Speaker 2: He didn't say that. No, no, no, he didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: because how do you immediately know who is giving versus

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Speaker 2: who's getting. There was no discussion. Moonlight did this so

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Speaker 2: handy you realize this is what you know, this is

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Speaker 1: And I know, I know y'all gonna bug out and

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Speaker 2: But if I was watching and if it started off

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Speaker 1: But immediately going to turn around what And it looked

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Speaker 2: Right because he spilled his hand and just went I

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Speaker 1: That's why to me it felt like a movie.

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Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure Angy is queer, but that's why

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Speaker 2: to me, it felt like a movie that was written

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Speaker 1: This is probably how your average straight person thinks, like, oh.

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Speaker 2: They just round the ten hett fucking my anass. That

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Speaker 4: Like I said, it did seem brupt, but I guess

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Speaker 2: But why would Jack immediately spin around like he like

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Speaker 2: Enna's turning you around to me just yanked his and

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Speaker 2: weird that there wasn't.

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00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: Any kind of conversation nothing.

440
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 2: It was just blow bam and and if I'm being

441
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: a little grad, it went in real easy. I would

442
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: think there'd be a little It's like, are y'all trying

443
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: to make this movie realistic or not?

444
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: Even if he had I it doesn't.

445
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm not even it doesn't seem like it seemed like

446
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: a no experience for him.

447
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: No, it just seemed like, you know, it didn't go in.

448
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: He spit on his hand and went and that was it.

449
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: In a fresh.

450
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: Boekend, it seemed like it was a struggle, but I

451
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: didn't see, well the struggle was before he went into blue. Yeah,

452
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: it just seemed it just seemed weird to me. It

453
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: seemed like maybe the studio got involved and was like,

454
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, let's make this kind of shocking. I don't

455
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: I didn't really need shocking watching this movie.

456
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: It was definitely was one of the most controversial moments

457
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: back in that time, and talked about scenes.

458
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: To see something like this on in a theater, I

459
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, I'm with you. It was. It caught

460
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people love guard. They were like, what

461
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: was it?

462
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: Twenty five years later, knowing what's supposed to happen still

463
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: caught me off guard.

464
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: It just irritates me because I mean, there's so many

465
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: movies like you said, Call Me by Your Name or Moonlight,

466
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: those movies do this story or uh, let's stay out

467
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: the movie with Elliott Page. Fuck, I can't remember the

468
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: name of it. But there's there's so many Huh.

469
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they've learned, maybe they've gotten better.

470
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: But you would think a queer person writing this story

471
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: would not make it so abrupt like this hollow watching

472
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: it even again the first time, and this time, I'm

473
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: just like, this doesn't make any sense, y'all, But you

474
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: gotta just kind of let it go. But but yeah,

475
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: so moving forward, the contract ends, Jack and and it's

476
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: go their separate, their separate ways.

477
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry I left the part out.

478
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: They were playing a little, like I said earlier, a

479
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: little a little playhouse fighting, and uh, they get rough

480
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: and Jack ends up busting and it's his nose, which

481
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: kind of led them to a sort of fight. But

482
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: then they move past that pretty quick when the contract

483
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: ends and they go their separate ways. I'm gonna have

484
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: to start skipping over stuff because it's getting long.

485
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: But come on, man, damn real quickly. I'm only ask

486
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: one of y'all, whoever wants to take this stop, Spike,

487
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: go outside. I told y'all.

488
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: I told y'all, no matter how you say something, it's

489
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: gonna be.

490
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm not asking this Spike.

491
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Ken, because ros long winded, what did

492
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: you what did you take of the scene of Ennis

493
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: breaking down and puking in the in the in the

494
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: alleyway heartbroken?

495
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Is that what he was? Oh? You thought it was

496
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: he was disgusted. I thought he was sickened of what

497
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: just happened.

498
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: And I think he was wrestling with Oh my god,

499
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: this just happened.

500
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: This dude left and I'm feeling longing for him, and

501
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: he just got sick. Well, I think, well, yeah.

502
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: I thought he was like, okay, So there was the fight, yeah,

503
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: which I think was him also still trying to reject

504
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: that side because now they're about to come down to

505
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 3: they about to go to the real world. Now they're

506
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: living in this they're away from everybody. This is fantasy.

507
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: He even told him, the only thing that matters is us.

508
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: It's nobody else's business. But now you're going back to

509
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: the real world where you're judged. We didn't know at

510
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: the time he had this story that his dad, you

511
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: know about with dad.

512
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: We didn't know any of that.

513
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: Maybe that could have been planned, but I felt like

514
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: when they got down and there wasn't a further discussion

515
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: about like what do we do next, him having to

516
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 3: go marry this woman he probably don't want to marry,

517
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: and him walking away from him.

518
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: Because Chatcha pulled the fuck off. He seemed like and

519
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, it was just like, bro, that's it.

520
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: And then it was just like he was heartbroken, like

521
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: that world is over, that I no longer have that anymore,

522
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: and now I gotta go live a life that I

523
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: probably really don't want to live.

524
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: See.

525
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: I took it the opposite way. I took it as

526
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: he was like, I cannot believe that just happened. Now

527
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm questioning every single thing about myself. And then he

528
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: just got sick from it.

529
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but.

530
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't know who's right here,

531
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: who's wrong. So Ennis ends up marrying his girlfriend, Alma

532
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: has two kids. What did y'all think about the sex

533
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: scene between Ennis and his wife Alma?

534
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: Do you I remember this?

535
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: I do remember that, and I thought it was it

536
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 3: was interesting because I was like, Okay, how is this

537
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: gonna play out? And he didn't want to look at her.

538
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: He turned around like he was doing Jack, and even

539
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: it seemed like on her face that that happens a

540
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: lot because she was like in it, and she looked

541
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: like she was like bro like because they were face

542
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: to face and she wanted that intimacy of look at him,

543
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 3: and he was like, nah, he flipped hers around.

544
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: I had it that way one time and it was good.

545
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: Let me try to get it again.

546
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought this was actually a.

547
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: Really interesting scene, the way he spun her around and

548
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: he was rough with her, the same way he was

549
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: kind of rough with with Jack. But I think Jack

550
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: could just take it better. Y what'd you think of that?

551
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: Seems fun? I thought it was indicative of the.

552
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 6: Indive Why are y'all like this? Why are y'all like

553
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 6: all the words? He did that on purpose? He did

554
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 6: that on purpose? Man forget it, Jesus christ Man.

555
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: Jack.

556
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: After being told by a geary that there's no work

557
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: for him, he moves back to Texas, where he meets

558
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: Loreene Newsome. Yes, Stem and the Rose, I could look

559
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: it up, but I still couldn't find a solid definition

560
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: for it.

561
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: I did the same thing.

562
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: I looked it up, but apparently a thing for what

563
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: I saw was just specific to this movie and they

564
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: kind of made it up.

565
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: See, So I went further and I did find other

566
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: references outside of this movie, but typically it just means.

567
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: They're goofing off.

568
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: Because watching the movie the first time and this time,

569
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: I was like, Stem and the Rose must be some

570
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: kind of reference to being gay, That's what I thought.

571
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: But it sounds like he was just saying, no, I'm

572
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: not paying you, because remember they got there the couple

573
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: of the sheep killed because they weren't paying attention.

574
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: They were too busy fucking.

575
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: So I think it was more to him just being

576
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: like y'all were goofing off not paying attention. But any listeners,

577
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: if you have a different explanation, please let me know.

578
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: But but yeah, he meets Loreene news from the daughter

579
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: of a wealthy agricultural agricultural machinery manufacturer.

580
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: They get married and they have a son.

581
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: But after four years past, Jack reaches out to Ennis

582
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: and they meet up at Ennis in Alma's place. Rod,

583
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: what did you think about what went down when they

584
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: see each other.

585
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was crazy. I thought it was

586
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: crazy that he immediately out.

587
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 7: In the in the in the open, like attacked this

588
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 7: ass or whatever, and they was just right on the

589
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 7: side of the apartment, like you know, liked kissing and

590
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 7: shit like that's just stupid.

591
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was done like you're it's sixty three, so

592
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: it's probably sixty seven or something. It was like a

593
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: burning desire is the word that I thought about when

594
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: I saw it, even that, like you know if and

595
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: I know he looked around first, but come on, man.

596
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah it's right there.

597
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: Especially you got like, oh family and stuff, now that's right, yeah, right.

598
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like they wrote that so she could see

599
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: him and kick off the rest of the movie.

600
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: There you go.

601
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 2: This is another scene that I absolutely despised in this film,

602
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: and this it ship like this that makes me not

603
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: be able to enjoy it because it's so unrealistic. If

604
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: you have, I know, you haven't seen this dude in

605
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: a long time, and you've been aching.

606
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: For his kiss. You know your wife is right there.

607
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: Why would you do this right and eyeside of the door?

608
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. They are the worst downlow, closeted

609
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: gaze in the fucking universe. Because this didn't make any sense.

610
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: It would have made far more sense if they went

611
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: around the corner and did it and then she just

612
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: happened to come down the stairs looking for them, yep.

613
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: But to do it right in front of the door, Yeah, yeah.

614
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: I think they were just showing, Like I said, I

615
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: think they were just showing the burning desire, like yo,

616
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: I can't like I've been so because how long have

617
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 4: been five.

618
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Years or four years? Four years?

619
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: And it was just like he can't even control himself

620
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: to that point that I'm gonna do this right here

621
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: out in the open, right at the bottom steps of

622
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: my house.

623
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.

624
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: I didn't like it either, especially with how he's lying

625
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: to his wife the whole time about what's going on.

626
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: It's like, but you just fucking kissed him, made out

627
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: with him right in front of the door, and then y'all

628
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: came in. Yeah, this is.

629
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: What the music they play.

630
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: This is another thing that I hate about.

631
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all even notice, but every single

632
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: time they see each other, it's this.

633
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: Like sensitive guitar part. It's so corny.

634
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: But it worked, though it did not work for me.

635
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I hated it.

636
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: This shit sucks, man, because they made it seem like

637
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: it's just a regular love story if even well it

638
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: is a regular I know, that's what I'm saying that

639
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: that was that's what would happen, That you would have

640
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: that type of music playing and it would be cheesy,

641
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: and people would be like, this is fucking cheesy even

642
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: if you watch love stories.

643
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: Now they don't do that anymore. Do you think people

644
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: are scared to say that? Because yes, one hundred and

645
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: ten percent. Yes, scared to say what? Scared to say

646
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: they don't like.

647
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: You see it seems like it's anti LGBTQ because I've gotten.

648
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Called out for that.

649
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: They're like, really, it was like, dude, me not liking

650
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: this film has nothing to do with my support of

651
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: the queer community. I just think this movie sucks. I've

652
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: never liked this movie. I've always thought it was bad,

653
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: cheesy and boring and completely unrealistic.

654
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: That part worked for me, but I like cheesy stuff.

655
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,520
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00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: each cast member. You also get the opportunity to vote

661
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: on the publicly released anniversary film, all exclusive to our Patreon.

662
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: So become a patron at patreon dot com frames per second,

663
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: where there are two tiers you can choose from. That's

664
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Speaker 2: patreon dot com forward slash frames per second. Alrighty, what

665
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: did y'all think about the story that Ennis tells about

666
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 2: the body that his father showed him.

667
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I start with you, King, because you were kind of

668
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: hinting at that earlier.

669
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was a

670
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: really good, interesting story that he told, and even the

671
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: visual of like the blood in the in the genital area.

672
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: I was like, dang, like that that was really abusive.

673
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: And taking the dad like the dad especially talking about

674
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: that story had to happen in the fifties, forties, fifties,

675
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: and showing the kids and basically trying to scare it

676
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: out of them, you know, and say this is.

677
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: What happened to you if you are gay.

678
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that that was that was an

679
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: interesting story that eventually came around later, which is again

680
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: him kissing that guy in the middle of the.

681
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Day out in the open, just didn't make sense.

682
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was going to i'ma I'm gonna

683
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: get your opinion in a second spike, That's exactly where

684
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: I was going. It already didn't make any sense. It

685
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: makes even less sense after Ennis tells this story. If

686
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: you know what can happen, and you're constantly throughout the

687
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: film being the one that's like, we can't do that's

688
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: out in the open.

689
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: We have to be careful.

690
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: But you're the one that initiated this makeout session right

691
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: in front of your own house, out in the open.

692
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. It just seems like bad

693
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: writing to me. Does he speak to his desire, then

694
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: maybe like he knows all of this stuff. His dad

695
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: told him this, but he desired him so much that

696
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: he couldn't help himself.

697
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: No, because but even then I think that.

698
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: Would be like over sexualized and gave me like they

699
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: couldn't contain themselves. That is also a lot of what

700
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: I felt with this film. It was like, y'all are

701
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: making this out to where it's like these dudes can't

702
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: even think straight because they just want this so badly.

703
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: But then you're following it up by making it clear

704
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: that they understand the dangers. If Jack was the one

705
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: that was initiating a lot of this, I'd be like, Okay,

706
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: it's Jack, and if and this was like man stop,

707
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: that scene would have made sense to me.

708
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: I think it's because, like the interactions are so far

709
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: few in between, so by the time they see each other,

710
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 4: it's just like, man, they are they are really excited.

711
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: I can be really like if I adn't seen my

712
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: girl in three weeks and and she comes to my

713
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: mom's house, I'm not slopping her down on the front

714
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: porch of my mom's house.

715
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: That's three weeks. I mean, but you take it for

716
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: a month.

717
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm not slopping her down on my mom's porch, and

718
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: you're not either.

719
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Jack could have the you know me momn whatever I

720
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: feel like. So I.

721
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: Get what you're saying, and I get your follow up

722
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: question to that.

723
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: The issue is that for the rest of the movie, yes, yes,

724
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time afraid of being.

725
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: Discovered exactly exactly And it might seem like a small thing,

726
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: but it's just these small things kept happening throughout the film.

727
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, man, that doesn't make any sense.

728
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: Who wrote this, Spike, when did you?

729
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: But it might make sense to the to that person

730
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: in the moment, they might think they're being super discreet

731
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: or in front.

732
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: Of your wife's door with your kids. Yeah, his kids

733
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: were in the house, so you gotta be dumb, not you.

734
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: But the person in the movie has to be dumb

735
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: as fuck to think he's being discreet by making out

736
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: right in front of the fucking the front door.

737
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: Well I'm past the in front of the front door.

738
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about like just them, oh, go on

739
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: this fishing trip and like it.

740
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: Just ohod and give your opinion, because I don't think

741
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: Spike wants to talk about to go ahead.

742
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Getting out with that we can transition. Go ahead, where

743
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: were you before?

744
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: I was yes, about Earl and Rich and how the

745
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: town suspected them being a gay and they beat Earl

746
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: to death and towards dick.

747
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: Off, and and then y'all start talking about that. You

748
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 4: would think there would be a lot more discreet after

749
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 4: those stories and stuff.

750
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that that made this the part before

751
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: it make even less sense.

752
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's what's just saying. Okay, right right.

753
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: Well, okay, So they have these fishing trips on and

754
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: off for a while, which they use as an excuse

755
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: to meet up and spend some time with each other.

756
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, their marriages are suffering.

757
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: Ns ends up getting a divorce and Jack hears about

758
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: it and drives up to talk to him.

759
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: What did you think about how that conversation went, Spike?

760
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: How did it go? I thought Jack was being a

761
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: dick so he walks up to him.

762
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: I think for some reason, Jack had convinced himself that

763
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: since Ennis wrote him saying, hey, I'm getting a divorce,

764
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: that means so when he go he went up there

765
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: and and it's was like, hey, bro, I'm sorry, I

766
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: got my kids this weekend, And Jack got mad because

767
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: he thought that that letter was like an open invitation

768
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: to be with me, but.

769
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: He was not even understanding of I have my kids

770
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: this weekend and that was okay. That goes to the

771
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: question that I asked you too. I felt like.

772
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: They were painting this picture the people that wrote it

773
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: as to like that's the only thing that they could

774
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: think about. This point didn't seem like sex. It seemed

775
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: more like, I want to be with you even then,

776
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: if it's even beyond the sexual part of it. But

777
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm only thinking about being with you, like people prioritize

778
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: their relationships, and they were acting like he couldn't do it,

779
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: and he was acting like you said, I got my kids,

780
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: like I'm prioritizing you even if I do want to

781
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: be with you, and the other guy was just like

782
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: so mind blown by it.

783
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like that betrayal. I get what you're saying.

784
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: But I think with Jack, maybe it was I have

785
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: been searching because maybe he's had queer sex before, but

786
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: maybe he's not been in lust fit with another man.

787
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: So I think in that moment it was just I

788
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: found someone that I want to actually be with, not

789
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: just go have sex with. I want to be with

790
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: this person, and this person seems like they want to

791
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: be with me.

792
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: So it just seemed like.

793
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: He was he was thirsty, he was desperate, and he

794
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 2: just read the signals wrong.

795
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he spent a lot of which I mean,

796
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: he should have known better because in his constantly over

797
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 3: and over again rejected the premise, the idea of even

798
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: being together, right, which is how he even told him

799
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: the story in the first place. It was like, Bro,

800
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: you don't think I'm telling you. It's gonna look weird

801
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: because of this thing that happened. It looked weird back then.

802
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: We can't be together, Like it's just not gonna happen.

803
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: And when he got the yeah, because at that he

804
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 3: was kind of even hinted to ins at the time,

805
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: just how's your relationship going, how's everything going to the marriage?

806
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: How should get a divorced coming back with me? So

807
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: he had already been trying to get him anyway, and

808
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: so when it happened, he.

809
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Was like, oh shit, it's on and popping, you know.

810
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, so yeah, and the whole thing with the

811
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: fishing trips and stuff like that, like they were so

812
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: terrible at that, but I know we'll get to that later,

813
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: but even the first day, like I know, the white

814
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: fella was like, oh yeah, so you know, we're gonna

815
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: go drinking and we may not come back.

816
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: I may not come back tonight. Brouh. So bad for her, Yeah,

817
00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: that's probably now.

818
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: That seemed realistic for a fifties woman in Texas. No,

819
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: they were in Texas because she can't say ship right.

820
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: She was just like, all right, here's one I.

821
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Asked the divorce. He was just a piece of ship

822
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: and us.

823
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: He just like, did Jack have anything to do with

824
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: this because it seemed like he just wasn't fulfilling his

825
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: duties to the point where she just got got over it.

826
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: I think it started with from what I remember, at least,

827
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: it started with he they were trying to fuck or whatever,

828
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: and then she was like, basically to get a condom.

829
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: If you don't want to have my kids, you know,

830
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: we won't have to you know, we ain't got to

831
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: do this. And then she said I'll have your kids

832
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: if you support them. So I think what it was

833
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, you're onto something. He was being a

834
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: piece of ship. She was looking at it like you're

835
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: never fucking here. Yeah, I'm always taking care of the kids.

836
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: I mean even when she was at work and he

837
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: came and dropped the kids off and she's like, what

838
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: about my job?

839
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't keeping a job right and stuff like that.

840
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, he just was. He was a terrible husband.

841
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: Right, He was a bad husband, even outside of even

842
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: if this was not related to him cheating on her

843
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: with Jack, if he was really going off on fishing trips,

844
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: he would be a bad husband.

845
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so she had every round or every reason

846
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: to get a divorce.

847
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: After Jack drives up to Mexico to get his freak on,

848
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: he has a conflict with his stepfather at the dinner table. Rob,

849
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: what do you think about this scene? This is one

850
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: of the best scenes. I wanted to beat that old

851
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: man's yo.

852
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: He he pitched up real quick, right, I'll be talking

853
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 4: right right right, Nah, But I thought that was really good.

854
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: He finally stood up for himself. Even his wife gave like,

855
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: gave him more respect or whatever. So he kind of

856
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 4: saw that a little bit, and she looked at her, See,

857
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 4: supposed to your daddy, you know what I'm saying.

858
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: So I did. I did like that he was being super.

859
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: Differ respectful, very Yeah, damn I wanted to carve the

860
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: fucking turkey.

861
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: Want to turn on the TV that crazy man.

862
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 8: I was like, man, y'all, yeah, you sit your ass down, yo, Jill,

863
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 8: all your gass down, put your inger ass down right,

864
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 8: knocked your ass in the next week like man was.

865
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Man, yo, Yeah that was saying I think too.

866
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: I like that. That was probably one of the best scenes.

867
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Did he only do it out of anger? Though? Yeah?

868
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: He was frustrated. He was frustrated years and years of

869
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: like him disrespectful. I thought he was mad because old

870
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: boy rejected him. That's what I thought. It was frustration board,

871
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I ain't taking this ship no more.

872
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that she was just specting when he threw

873
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: the keys at him when the baby came.

874
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked like me and like that. Oh yeah,

875
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: he looked like.

876
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a good scene. I did like that.

877
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: That's one of the best ones.

878
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of the scene of all my

879
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: calling enis out in the kitchen Ennis out in the kitchen.

880
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: I was like, bout times.

881
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 4: Jack twist boy like Jack mask, Oh my god, I

882
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 4: lost What kind of disc was that?

883
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: It was?

884
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: Right?

885
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: Brook?

886
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: Jack nasty? Yo? I was you a white woman?

887
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: Not knowing how to get because a black woman probably

888
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: that way.

889
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: With your dirty dick, right, Yeah, she would twist. Yeah,

890
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: but I'm like, man, you wait to now to say

891
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: that ship like in front of your new husband.

892
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: He was a sucker too, he was because he didn't

893
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: get up from his her all that ship.

894
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: He had to I'm gonna call him and Roll was

895
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: right there.

896
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: Bro, you can hear he can hear you here, get

897
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: up when she when the badass kid grabbed that jar

898
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: and everything and fell down. I would have made them

899
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: pay for all that ship me too, but he was. Yeah,

900
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: so they were just we know what that scene was.

901
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: I did like that, Like they did a good job

902
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 4: with timing, like like like uh, moving time along. I

903
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: thought it was cool because we saw that scene and

904
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: it made sense when we saw him later as her husband.

905
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 4: Like that's really good filmmaking to be able to like

906
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: not even show the stuff that happened between it, but

907
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: it makes sense when you see it.

908
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do agree with that.

909
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: It was it was definitely a setup for later for

910
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: c But yeah, this this part.

911
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: Of the movie, this movie was two hours and fourteen minutes. Bro.

912
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: This middle section of them going back and forth they up.

913
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know they gonna spend all this up. But no,

914
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: I liked her calling him out and the story she

915
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: told makes sense. And and then I was thinking to myself,

916
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: y'all fucking stupid nobody.

917
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Y'all.

918
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: Even one time he was leaving, he even forgot the

919
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: tackle box. She was like, you're forgetting something, bro, what

920
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: are you doing about to go tackle some box? I

921
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: don't need this tackle box.

922
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got, you know, I got, I got

923
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: my fishing.

924
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: But she said, like, and all these trips, because even

925
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: even even Jack's wife was picking up on it too,

926
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: But all these trips you were going on, and you

927
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: gotta cover it up. When your wife is saying and

928
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: your daughter is saying, bring fish, all.

929
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Right, we like fish and fish on, He's like, we

930
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: ate them all.

931
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, come on, dude, we ate them all.

932
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you think, Okay, let me go stop at

933
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: the store then and grab a couple of fish.

934
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: But your dumb ass every time comes home with none. Nothing.

935
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, these are the worst download dudes

936
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: on the planet.

937
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh so.

938
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, after he gets called out talking about putting the

939
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: note on his on his fishing pole and how the

940
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: note was still there.

941
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 1: Which means he never used it like a dumb fuck.

942
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

943
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: He leaves and goes out and gets his ass whooped

944
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: the middle of the street, but he continues his uh,

945
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: his fishing fishing freak offs with Jack and he starts

946
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: dating this waitress named Cassie. But that I didn't find

947
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: that interesting. If y'all do stop me, I didn't at all.

948
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: But Jack and his wife Lauren make friends with another couple,

949
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: Randy and Randall and Lashawan was it implied that Jack

950
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: and Randall were getting it on.

951
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: You know? That was hot from ye.

952
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, you know, my boss got a cabin.

953
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: You know you want to go go fishing fishing right

954
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: now and gonna be cold, bro. It's that like it's cold,

955
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: we can go fish to hang out ship like that.

956
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got this stranger thing for you. But they

957
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: were definitely looking at each other at the table and

958
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: ship like that. I thought this was kind of a

959
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: weird scene too.

960
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, I hate to pick

961
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: this movie apart the way y'all did Five Nights, but

962
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: there was just so much ship that I was like.

963
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: This seems unrealistic. Because it's like, how did he know?

964
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Jack was not doing anything that would have implied like, yeah,

965
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ask you to come to my cabin.

966
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: What.

967
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I agree with you that that was

968
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: very forward. Yeah, just by a gage, just you know, gaze.

969
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Nah. This scene didn't work for me

970
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: at all. Interesting It did work for me because it

971
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: was it was just like how Jack did enis or

972
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: what his name?

973
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: And you know it, I'm tired of y'all today. Man.

974
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: It was just like how Jack did enis? See? Okay,

975
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah he did.

976
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 4: It seemed the same to me because and it's never

977
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 4: showed any signs to me that that he was interested.

978
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: In that way. The same way y'all saying that about Jack.

979
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: It was just like the gaze that you were talking

980
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: aboute But they were in the same tent. It was

981
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: an intimate situation and it was only them. They still

982
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: tried him out in the open with their why was

983
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: right there, So it just they had to give me

984
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: more for me to be like, Okay, this seems very similar.

985
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: It seemed like it seemed like the roles were reversed

986
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 4: in this situation, and I was like, oh, okay, Yeah.

987
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: There was another part where he tried to buy a

988
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: dude to drink.

989
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he picked up on it and walked away.

990
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: That part made sense because he was being weird. He

991
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: was being really I'm sure, but I don't know how

992
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: many of y'all have actually had this spaar. I've been

993
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: hit on by gay dudes at bars, and they are

994
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: the dudes at least that I've run into in Atlanta.

995
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: They were very forward, but it was as simple as

996
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: a bro I appreciate you, but no.

997
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Thanks, and it was done. I thought I thought he was.

998
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: This scene made no That scene made sense to me,

999
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: where he was just like he was being very forward

1000
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: and the guy picked up on it pretty quickly and

1001
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: was just like, no, I'm good, I'm gonna leave.

1002
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I thought he was.

1003
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 3: He just wasn't willing to come out and over because

1004
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: they kind of looked for each other.

1005
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. I thought that he was just

1006
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: being cool. At the bar.

1007
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: Dude walked up sorry hitting on him, and he picked

1008
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: up on it, but he didn't want to like call

1009
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: him out. He was just like, I'm cool on this,

1010
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jet and then he left Jack there looking stupid.

1011
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack got mad. He sure did get mad. You motherfucker,

1012
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: you don't want this butt. Don't think you don't think

1013
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: I go before my own fucking whatever. Whatever.

1014
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 4: I think Jack kind of showed that he wasn't into

1015
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: his wife either, and I feel I think.

1016
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: He showed like similarities to him.

1017
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: But why would you automatically pick up, Oh, you must

1018
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: be queer. I might be like y'all might have just

1019
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: gotten a fight a couple of minutes ago. It seemed

1020
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: like a weird jump to automatically be like, hey man,

1021
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: my boy got this cabin owt lif If you ain't

1022
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: doing shit, you want to go.

1023
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: But it still was weird. It still was like subtle

1024
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: in a way it was not. It wasn't like yo, let's.

1025
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't like yo let's.

1026
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: Fuck. It was just like drink. Listen to what I'm saying.

1027
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 9: You know you I couldn't even watch the blood off

1028
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 9: your forehead, but you said I can invite you to

1029
00:49:52,960 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 9: my boys cap just being you yoking about b oh No,

1030
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 9: you and your wife and me and my wife will

1031
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 9: both go up and hang out together.

1032
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: He left the wives ain't.

1033
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 4: Always go, kid, that ain't hot that he just can

1034
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: not go like that. He that, bro, what are you doing?

1035
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: No serious? I'm being dead that serious? You thought that

1036
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: was still it's still subtle. What we're gonna do with

1037
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: the cabin rod, We're gonna go fishing?

1038
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: Were not somebody going fishing.

1039
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna go fishing. We're gonna do some hunting.

1040
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, that it wasn't It wasn't overt.

1041
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: It's all I'm saying. It's crazy.

1042
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: That's cool in the movie, and.

1043
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: It seems that way.

1044
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 4: But I feel like it was the same ship that

1045
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: that that Jack was doing.

1046
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: It was very subtle ship until it's not because they

1047
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: ended up in a relationship. I think, man, they did.

1048
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: They did that. I get that they did. I'm not

1049
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: saying that that's not what he was doing.

1050
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: He was doing that, but it was I'm saying that

1051
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: he was just like just testing the water. He's like, yeah,

1052
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: you know, my boy, you know you got a cabin

1053
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: out there. You know you want to hang out some time.

1054
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: And he was like, oh, I know what that means.

1055
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: That's my move, trying.

1056
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: To play the player, right, that's my move.

1057
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: No, I didn't like this. I thought this was I

1058
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: liked it I liked it all right.

1059
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: Well, what did y'all think about the argument that Ennis

1060
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: and Jack get into after their last fishing trip.

1061
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: This is the one where Jack was like, we could

1062
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: have had a good fucking life, edis, but all.

1063
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: We got is broke back mountain. I wish I know

1064
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: how to quit you.

1065
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: That's thet I know how to quit you. I think

1066
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: that's the That's one of the quotables from it is.

1067
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: It is, I said all the time, all the time. Now,

1068
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: this is good. I think this is what I was

1069
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: talking about earlier when he's like, I wouldn't beat his

1070
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: wayward for you. Yeah, he acted like Jack turned him out.

1071
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, And I thought that was And then

1072
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Jack was I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry I turned you out. Bro,

1073
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry man, Like, yeah, no, this is good. Wouldn't

1074
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: have though, I wouldn't have when it turned him out?

1075
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: Well, if if Jack never made the probably would have

1076
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: went and.

1077
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: He said this is your fault. Yeah, he said, this

1078
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: is your He said you did this to me. I

1079
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: did turn him out the way, Yeah he was.

1080
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: I think he was.

1081
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Clearly, and it's had like a feeling. So yeah, he

1082
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: probably would have lived his life and just ignored the

1083
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: fact that he had queer tendencies or whatever or desires

1084
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: however you want to phrase it.

1085
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: But I thought this scene was I agree.

1086
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 2: I thought this scene was was was good.

1087
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: High altitude is crazy though, I thought that was wild.

1088
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that would give me the high altitude fuck.

1089
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: I like how they made these guys especially and it

1090
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 4: seemed like such.

1091
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: Like a man manlies man, but then he was he

1092
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: had a very sensitive side to him, So I like that.

1093
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I liked that they were able to depict that that

1094
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: it's not just you know, some overly feminine guy that's

1095
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: gay or whatever.

1096
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Like you got two very masculine men that I didn't get.

1097
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Bro huh, I said, you got some I this is

1098
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: two very masculine men. No.

1099
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: I thought the casting for this, even though these are

1100
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: both great a. I thought the casting was dog ship

1101
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: really absolutely, but they but they even brought up like

1102
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: these two little squawnny guys, so they I don't think

1103
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: they were trying to make it seem like they were

1104
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: overly masculine.

1105
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: They say scotty, but they don't. They didn't look like

1106
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: scrawny guys to me.

1107
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: They did to me, they didn't look like buff manly cowboys.

1108
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: It seemed like tough guys.

1109
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: They seem like tough guys to me until that one

1110
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 4: guy to put his dick in the dirt.

1111
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: He did.

1112
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: That, How dare you hit me in my car?

1113
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he gave him one of them two guys

1114
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 4: work at the fucking that was man and if we're

1115
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: fucking scene, that scene was dope as funk.

1116
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: When he kicked it up.

1117
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: That dude, the firewors is going home. That ship was

1118
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: just there like, yeah, you look at the right right.

1119
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 10: I said, right too quick, throw my legs. Ron he

1120
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 10: did have that John clop Man.

1121
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: Damn here.

1122
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: Out. I want the microphone and pick that up.

1123
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: He laughed, my forty.

1124
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: Since I was twelve. Oh my god, we gotta ship

1125
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: was smooth, a little smooth.

1126
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: That ship was Mann sooth.

1127
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: So and it's.

1128
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: And it's gets a postcard, says the check out.

1129
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: I gotta stop laughing, hold on and to get the postcard,

1130
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: and says Jack died. He calls and speaks to his

1131
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: wife and she tells him that he was popping up

1132
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: a tire and it blew up and the rim hit

1133
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: his face and he died by choking on his own blood.

1134
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: What did y'all take from this?

1135
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: The first thing I want to point out is like,

1136
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: it said deceased, So I guess like it's the perfect

1137
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 4: person dies on the transit of a letter.

1138
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: They have to put it on there. I don't know

1139
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: if they have to. Maybe the wife marked him as

1140
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: to cease. I don't know how that works, but.

1141
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 4: Either I feel like that was a post office thing.

1142
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, mmm, because I was wondering about that part.

1143
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, why how did you.

1144
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: Just say deceased? I don't know. Interesting.

1145
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting, But what was the actual question?

1146
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 4: What did y'all think about this? But that was the

1147
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 4: first thing I thought. I was like, I went up

1148
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 4: to post office put deceased on it, and I was like,

1149
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 4: oh shit, this motherfucker.

1150
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: Died for real.

1151
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was interesting to see how all of

1152
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 4: this is going to play out after he after he died,

1153
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 4: and what he was gonna do all and he called her.

1154
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: That's what I thought was interesting because I was like, oh,

1155
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: what dang, she did kind of pick up on his

1156
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: lifestyle because they didn't wreak that.

1157
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: They didn't make that clear.

1158
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 4: In my opinion, that Jack's wife picked up his life

1159
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: on his lifestyle. I know you said it earlier because

1160
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 4: he's like, well, why he can't never come down here

1161
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 4: to fish? But I still didn't think that was They didn't.

1162
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: They didn't show that his wife picked up on it.

1163
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: I guess we're to assume that at some point she

1164
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 2: figured it out. At least that's what I always took

1165
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: from the scene. I don't know if Jack was actually murdered,

1166
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 2: because all it shows is is Ennis kind of visualized

1167
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: visualizing it based on what his.

1168
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: Dad told him.

1169
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: So we're not sure if if he really just got

1170
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: hit in the face and chrunk in his own blood,

1171
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: or if he was really murdered. The ship that she

1172
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: said sounds super far fit.

1173
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: It did.

1174
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: It did, and especially the attitude she was giving made

1175
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: it sound like bullshit. So I'm thinking she knew, and

1176
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he was murdered.

1177
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely sounded like shit.

1178
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 3: And I think that's, of course, this cover up story

1179
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: that they came up with when she suspected as much.

1180
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: So maybe that's, you know, a thing where you know,

1181
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: gay guys were getting beat up and jumped and killed

1182
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: for being gay, and it's kind of known, you know,

1183
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: and that's why. So they just try to make it

1184
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: the obituary and stuff sound, you know, good, to protect his.

1185
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: And I thought maybe her dad called a hit. Yeah,

1186
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: that's why.

1187
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: That's why I've always thought like, maybe his dad picked

1188
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: up on it because he made that comment about you

1189
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: want your son to be a man, don't you. So

1190
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: I always took it as the dad was figuring things out,

1191
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: and the dad, since he was rich, yeah.

1192
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: Figured it out and put the hit on him. I

1193
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. Oh yeah, that's what I thought.

1194
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: So and it goes we're almost done, y'all, And it

1195
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: goes to Jack's family home to get his ashes to

1196
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: take the broke back, but.

1197
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: His father refuses.

1198
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: However, his mother lets him go up to see Jack's room,

1199
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: and there he finds an old old shirt, that old

1200
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: shirt that he left on the mountain after they got in.

1201
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: That little fight. Jack apparently kept it and had it

1202
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: nestled lovingly inside.

1203
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: One of his own shirts. What do you think about

1204
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: this part? Spike was a sweet? Yeah, it was sweet

1205
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: for this movie. It No, it was good.

1206
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: It was good.

1207
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: It showed it little his heart was there for him

1208
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

1209
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: So it was done really well. It was. They did

1210
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: an amazing job with the scene. With this scene here,

1211
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: it really captured like his had motion.

1212
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 4: The motion was definitely captured, like just from him grabbing,

1213
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: like grabbing on the fabric and pulling.

1214
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: It close to himself.

1215
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 4: Like I was like, God, they killing this right here, this,

1216
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 4: this is this is really really good.

1217
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: Watching this, I could tell why they want to watch

1218
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: one hundred. I could tell why they want to watch this.

1219
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: One of those type of movies.

1220
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: I like this part, but I don't see how they

1221
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: want towards I didn't think the acting was that good,

1222
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: and I definitely don't think the script was good at all,

1223
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: this particular part that Jake, what's the dude name, he's

1224
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: a great actor, Jack, and then the other guy was

1225
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: he fledged Yeah, But I didn't walk away from any

1226
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: of this being like, oh, yeah, they should have definitely

1227
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: won awards, not even realized he loves yeah joker.

1228
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: I think that it's safe to assume the parents knew. Yeah, yeah,

1229
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I assume they did. The dad basically said it.

1230
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: He was talking about guys coming out to live together,

1231
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: or Jack was going to have some guy come out.

1232
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: The guy and the guy that that that that the

1233
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: stranger things.

1234
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ended up having a relationship. Actually, I think

1235
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 4: that's probably how the wife found out too.

1236
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the damn the dad was telling because it's like

1237
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 3: he was just still in mourning shock or whatever, and

1238
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: he was talking about I don't know if it was

1239
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: him or was saying that Jack always talked about having

1240
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: a friend come out and living together on the ranch.

1241
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I don't know a male friend. Yeah, yeah,

1242
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: a male friend. I see.

1243
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: I always took it. So I'm confused about this part

1244
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: because he says he says something like, you know, he

1245
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: wanted to be buried on uh broke Back Mountain, but no,

1246
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 2: he's gonna get buried in the family plot.

1247
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: If he knew, why would.

1248
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: He be like, yeah, take this motherfucker's as just broke back.

1249
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't want this shit around for who he was.

1250
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: But he also knew that in this day and age

1251
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: and that time period, they have to be closeted. So

1252
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: I think to protect the family, he just kind of

1253
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: they just kind of kept that to themselves.

1254
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: Remember, even the mom was like, we know what broke

1255
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: back is. She said that kind of aggressively too. You

1256
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: don't remember that she did. I believe you, but I

1257
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know that part they knew.

1258
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 4: I think he said to assume that they they knew

1259
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 4: who who their son was, and the mother always knows.

1260
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like they were saying it without saying

1261
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: it because of you know, it was probably the seventies

1262
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: at that point.

1263
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1264
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I assumed that they knew. That's why she's like,

1265
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: you can go to his room and all of that.

1266
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: It's like, definitely come back and see us.

1267
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: See.

1268
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: That's why I was assuming that they did not know,

1269
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: because if her dad was that mad about her son

1270
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: being gay, why would the wife be like, yeah, come

1271
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: on back.

1272
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: On me and see us anytime.

1273
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 4: That's weird because it seemed like one of those like

1274
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 4: kind of what Kim was lose to, like those those

1275
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: old couples.

1276
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: They could be on two.

1277
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: Sides of the of the coin, but still like one

1278
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 4: could have one perspective and the other one have the

1279
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 4: other one, like, but you just let the other one

1280
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 4: just kind of live with it.

1281
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: My dad was definitely pushing back. Yeah, mom was.

1282
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: She was the one like, no, I don't forget what

1283
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: he's talking about. Just you could come back anytime you

1284
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 2: want to come back.

1285
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I took it, and that's one of

1286
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 4: the old couples like that.

1287
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the dad realized I don't put together who

1288
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: he was to Jack, that's why he was like, we

1289
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: bearing his ass here, right.

1290
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: You ain't taking his ass nowhere. I know y'all did

1291
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: y'all thing and ic, but no, he's staying here all right.

1292
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: So last scene fast forward some years and we see

1293
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: his daughter Alma Alma Junior come to uh Ennis's place

1294
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: to invite him to her wedding. After he agrees to go,

1295
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: she leaves her sweater by accident, and he puts it

1296
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: in the closet.

1297
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: Where we find the shirts.

1298
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: Now he has Jack's shirt nestled inside one of his

1299
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 2: shirts and next to it a postcard of Broke Back Mountain.

1300
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: And the movie ends with Ennis saying dragon swear.

1301
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: To god, Yeah, I don't get down to get the end.

1302
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, that's it. Yeah, I know it

1303
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: really wasn't.

1304
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Much came in. He wanted to ask what was the

1305
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: significance he's all living alone and he's still a piece

1306
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: of ship. I swear, you're ruined me quit his job again.

1307
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, to go watch his because it's dark, but it

1308
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: looked like he had been doing kind of ship because

1309
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 3: his daughter was like wedd.

1310
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I'm not gonna go yeah yeah,

1311
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And then he changed his mind. He was

1312
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: mourning for that long. Bro, let it go. Dog.

1313
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: He he's like a widow, and maybe that's why he's saying,

1314
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: I swear, I swear to God, I don't.

1315
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't mess me up like I can't move on.

1316
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: I can't move on. I swear I can't move on.

1317
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: This is just one of those things that makes me

1318
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: dislike this movie. It's like, Bro, you just left us

1319
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: on this weird cliffhanger just to do It's just man,

1320
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a cliffhanger. I think it's like

1321
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: he just really he can't move on. I swear to

1322
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: God that that doesn't translate to I can't move on.

1323
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: That doesn't translate to anything. If they're intentionally leaving this

1324
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: very open ended.

1325
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 4: To me, it's not because it's like he's still like

1326
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 4: he said, he's still alone. He don't even want to

1327
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 4: go to his daughter's wedding. He's in his trucking double

1328
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 4: wide trailer or whatever and just looks lonely.

1329
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: You can't move on. I'm with you on that part.

1330
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm just not with.

1331
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: You on when he says Jack, I swear to God

1332
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: that that automatically is you did this to me and

1333
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: I can't move on. It just doesn't translate. It doesn't

1334
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: that that statement itself doesn't mean anything. So it's just

1335
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: it's just annoying. But Yeah, anybody else got anything to

1336
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: say about this movie?

1337
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: The Mexico thing? What was that about? He just wanted

1338
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: to get a fix. Yeah, that's all that was.

1339
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 4: And then Jack brought it up again later talking about Mexico.

1340
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 4: What was that He was just saying.

1341
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: He was saying, we can go to Mexico because he

1342
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: thinks they'd be safe there because he's been going down

1343
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: there fucking around with with with with I guess prostitutes.

1344
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Sior. Yeah, I hate that.

1345
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't like this movie, but I do. I do

1346
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: not like this movie one fucking bit. I don't like

1347
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: the acting, I don't like the story, I don't like

1348
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: the music.

1349
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: I think this movie is awful. Man.

1350
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: We don't like love stories. I'm I'm cool with love stories.

1351
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm not good with this one. This movie is bad.

1352
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: So that's all I got. If anybody is cool, We're

1353
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and end it here. Anybody got anything

1354
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: else they want to say? Good, all right, let us

1355
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: know what y'all thought, and we'll see all next time.

1356
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: We're out in peace.

1357
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: M