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Speaker 3: Kevin, we'll talk about NFL a about sixty seconds, but

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Speaker 3: very quickly just crossed my brain as I was looking

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Speaker 3: at highlights from last night's game, like and I asked you,

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Speaker 3: kind of who do you think is coming out of

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Speaker 3: the East and the NBA? And you thought about at

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Speaker 3: the moment, I could tell by the look on your

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Speaker 3: face that you feel kind of like I do, like

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Speaker 3: kind of not my problem this year, right.

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Speaker 4: You said it.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking it though.

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Speaker 2: It's true you said, kind of Nicks.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, no idea, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I don't even know if I can name the

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Speaker 6: top four teams in the East right now, like Standy's.

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Speaker 3: Was, it's because we're keeping an eye on the other

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Speaker 3: end of the standings right now. By the way, James,

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Speaker 3: you ready for Wednesday, Tankathon.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm throwing it into the machine and the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: six NBA Draft Lottery simulator spits out Sacramento number one

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Speaker 3: with the number one overall pick, followed by Brooklyn and

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Speaker 3: then the Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Pacers at three.

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Speaker 5: It's a good day.

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Speaker 4: You'll take that, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly, I mean the alternatives are certainly not as

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Speaker 5: good as that. But I'm curious to see how everyone

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Speaker 5: feels about the order of the draft board at this moment.

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Speaker 5: It seems to have shifted a little bit. I believe

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Speaker 5: the last guy for us at the Athletic our draft

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Speaker 5: guru now has Ajabanza as his number one prospect, followed

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Speaker 5: by Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 3: How about this, The teams that they're tracking right now,

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Speaker 3: like the bottom twelve. I'll say this, The bottom eleven

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Speaker 3: teams in the NBA right now have all at least

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Speaker 3: lost their last game, and multiple teams are on multiple

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Speaker 3: game losing streaks.

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Speaker 2: The tanking is real, James.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're tanking and they also think so

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Speaker 5: go hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nets have lost nine in a row, Pacers six in

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Speaker 3: a row, Washington six in a row, Utah six in

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Speaker 3: a row. Sacramento has only lost two in a row.

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Speaker 3: But you can see where this is all had, and

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Speaker 3: so we'll check that every morning in the meantime we

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Speaker 3: get back to talk about the National Football League. I

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Speaker 3: thought that this text from Cody was very interesting. He

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Speaker 3: is a frequent participator in the group chat over there

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Speaker 3: on YouTube every morning, and he says, guys, if you

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Speaker 3: want a state of the Union, all of us in

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Speaker 3: the chatter agreeing to become Raiders fans until Ballard is gone.

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Speaker 4: Lol.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Mendoza, hopefully they draft one two more mid to

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Speaker 3: late round.

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Speaker 2: Hoosiers, Go Raiders.

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Speaker 6: James, why do you think six million dollars less transition

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Speaker 6: tag with no draft pick compensation in return versus the

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Speaker 6: franchise tag at forty three million with two first round

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Speaker 5: I think they want to draw a line in the

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Speaker 5: sand and say this is what we think you're worth.

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Speaker 5: And it's pretty much that simple. And we believe that

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Speaker 5: whatever market you think you have is not out there

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Speaker 5: because one we helped kind of rehab your career. You're

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Speaker 5: the last player two or last team to have played

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Speaker 5: with and you had half a good year and it

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Speaker 5: was with us. So if you're gonna run it back

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Speaker 5: or you know, get the bag, it probably won't get

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Speaker 5: too much sweeter than here in Indianapolis. That's what I think. Now,

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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily agree with that because I think that

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Speaker 5: if he's your guy, just stamp them with the nine

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Speaker 5: gonna poach him for two first round picks and you

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Speaker 5: move on from there. But I think they're just trying

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Speaker 5: them for because ultimately, if they get Daniel Jones to

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Speaker 5: back and say they were genius just for doing this.

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Speaker 6: But I just don't know if it's worth the risk. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: That's that's where I'm at is. The reward is not

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Speaker 6: that immense. Really when you think about it, you know,

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Speaker 6: you are saving six million dollars.

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Speaker 5: I wish I could save six million dollars, which in

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Speaker 5: NFL terms is really if anybody listening, know, let's high

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Speaker 6: Boy not that much here and it call couch change.

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Speaker 6: I mean, certainly, especially when the Caps over three hundred

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Speaker 3: Does that go straight towards Alec Pierce? That's six million

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think some of it obviously would

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Speaker 6: gonna have to be, you know, super competitive and putting

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Speaker 6: your big boy pants on for that one. But also,

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Speaker 6: what else are you doing? You know, are you doing

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Speaker 6: the Trey Hendrickson thing? Are you doing one of these

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Speaker 6: A thrushers? How much of the front seven are you retooling?

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Speaker 6: We've debated here. Is it two new starters in the

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Speaker 6: front seven? Is it three new starters in the front seven? Well,

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Speaker 6: if you're doing that, then you're going to have to

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Speaker 6: spend so so yeah, you know, that's where the penny

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Speaker 6: pinching I think comes into play. Is it's more of

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Speaker 6: a if we're gonna check off all these boxes, because yes,

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Speaker 6: Pierson Jones are the first two dominoes to the Colts offseason,

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Speaker 6: but they have plans to do a lot, then you

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Speaker 6: do have to save every little dollar. The question becomes

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Speaker 6: was the risk of you know, saying to Daniel Jones, hey,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna call your bluff at this transition tag. But

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Speaker 6: is there any part of you that says we should

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Speaker 6: have just tagged Alec Pierce and then we'll call Daniel

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Speaker 6: term deal is gonna come. That's where I think you

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Speaker 6: culture basically saying to Daniel Jones, we don't think you're

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Speaker 6: gonna find an offer north of thirty seven million. That's

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Speaker 6: where the transition tag comes into play. Well, it could

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Speaker 6: that also be the case for a long term deal,

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Speaker 6: and again, then you would have secured Pierce, because that's

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Speaker 6: now the unknown. I think so much of the unknown

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Speaker 6: has shifted to Alix Pierce. You are now allowing him

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Speaker 5: And I get that out.

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Speaker 6: Pierce, I think has some reasons that he wants to

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Speaker 2: I think your hat is very appropriate today, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: You've got the big third down here hat on, and

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Speaker 3: it feels like the Colts are looking at a big

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean Matt, Yeah, I guess to just

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Speaker 6: go over everything with people out there. You know, Monday

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Speaker 6: at noon is the next big deadline to watch, So

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Speaker 6: at any point, you know, in the next minute, all

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Speaker 6: the way up until Monday at noon, the Colts could

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Speaker 6: get a long term deal done with Pierce, keep him

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Speaker 6: out of free agency. They could also get a long

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Speaker 6: term deal done with Daniel Jones. Again, the transition tag

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Speaker 6: is just a placeholder, if you will, And that thirty

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Speaker 6: seven million counts against your cap right away, So the

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Speaker 6: Colts are enticed right now to try and still get

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Speaker 6: a long term deal done with Jones, so that thirty

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Speaker 6: seven million is not just sitting there in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: You likely want that number to be lower.

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Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken, I want to say the Coults

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Speaker 6: Wednesday morning. Yeah, about five million dollars, which you have

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Speaker 5: And then that's when the new league gear starts. I

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Speaker 3: That's adjusting for the recent increase in the cap too, right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that is adjusting for everything. I mean, once you

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Speaker 5: put the tag on Daniel Jones, that full thirty seven

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Speaker 5: point eight million dollars as we'll call thirty eight, that

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Speaker 5: full thirty eight million dollars counts against your salary.

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Speaker 4: Cap came right out of the bank.

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Speaker 5: Boom, Yeah, because you have to. I mean, we went

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Speaker 5: guaranteed deal, the money has to be put up right away.

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Speaker 5: So there you have.

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Speaker 6: But again, Lamar is different, and a lot of people

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Speaker 5: Well, Lamar was asking for like two hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 6: But Baltimore had placed the franchise tag on him with

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's the difference.

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Speaker 6: So if the Colts had gone the Colts went with

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Speaker 6: thirty seven million, thirty seven million, says we can match

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Speaker 6: you would find that skeptical Minnesota continues to be that

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Speaker 5: Have to create the cap space.

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Speaker 6: But you know, is there a team out there that's

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Speaker 6: going to structure a contract in a very unique way

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Speaker 6: for Daniel Jones. That's the one little hanging cloud I

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Speaker 6: teams that do business differently than the Colts in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: A lot of teams.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, And I think you make a good point

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Speaker 5: But yeah, if a team says we'll guarantee you fifty

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Speaker 5: Are the Colt's gonna pay him fifty million dollars guaranteed?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: What if a team gives Daniel Zones a fully guaranteed contract? Right,

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Speaker 6: and again, that sounds outrageous to me out loud.

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Speaker 4: It should be.

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Speaker 6: NFL teams are can be desperate.

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Speaker 3: And you talked about what the Bucks did with Damian

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, different league, the same concept. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you That's why I was having a conversation actually yet

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Speaker 5: yesterday with Eddie Garrison through text, and he was texting

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Speaker 5: just told him, look, man, not that I'm some genius here,

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Speaker 5: but I've been covering the NFL for going on five

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Speaker 5: I tell you that the cap it doesn't mean nothing,

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Speaker 5: So for the Colts feel like they're a very traditional team.

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Speaker 2: A lot of wide receivers out on the market right now,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, to do both, you're going to have to again

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Speaker 6: If I said that about Kyler Murray, would you rather

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Speaker 3: This makes me not popular, But I think in the

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Speaker 2: Good morning, mister Holder.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 3: What did yesterday bring in your opinion for the Indianapolis Colts?

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Speaker 8: Just really just necessary evil. You know, it wasn't anything

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Speaker 8: really what you saw yesterday was what I expected, which

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Speaker 8: is just the Colts are in the middle of the

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Speaker 8: negotiations and they're still ongoing, and that won't change based

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Speaker 8: on anything that happened yesterday. But it was at least

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Speaker 8: a recognition that, you know, we have work to do.

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Speaker 5: I think, Stephen, why do you think the Colts tagged

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones over Alec Pierce. That has been a big

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Speaker 5: debate here for our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I've picked up on that among readers and listeners, and

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Speaker 8: I understand why there's a question.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 8: I think that's a fair question, but I don't actually

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Speaker 8: think they got it wrong. And really it boils down

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Speaker 8: to you have to first you have to first accept this,

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Speaker 8: whether you agree or disagree, they have settled on Daniel

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Speaker 8: Jones as their guy at quarterback. Now you can disagree

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Speaker 8: with that.

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Speaker 4: Premise, that's fine.

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't necessarily care I'm just giving you

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Speaker 8: the facts, right. The facts are they have settled on

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Speaker 8: Daniel Jones. So if that's the case, you have to

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Speaker 8: apply positional value to this debate. And the positional value is,

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Speaker 8: without question, quarterback over receiver. You have to protect the quarterback.

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Speaker 8: I am not telling you that it's going to be

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Speaker 8: cheap to keep Alec Pearce. It will be cheaper, but

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Speaker 8: they will not be cheap, and there will be more suitors.

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Speaker 8: As far as I can tell, there will be more,

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Speaker 8: potentially significantly more suitors for Alec Pearce than Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 4: But here's the deal.

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Speaker 8: Ultimately, if you retain it, if you retain Alec Pearce

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Speaker 8: and Daniel Jones squeaks away from you, slips away, where

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Speaker 8: are you at quarterback? And what is even the point?

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Speaker 8: What are we even doing here?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: You got to take care of the quarterback. And I mean,

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Speaker 8: anybody who's watched the Indianapolis Colts for the last five

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Speaker 8: or six years, I kind of don't understand why we're

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Speaker 8: having that conversation. To be completely honest with you, the

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Speaker 8: quarterback's kind of important. You can agree, you can disagree

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Speaker 8: on the quarterback, but you can't disagree on the fact

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Speaker 8: that they have to settle that position.

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Speaker 6: Stevens always thank you for the time. I do want

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Speaker 6: to get to Pierce in just a second specifically, but

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Speaker 6: you mentioned the spicy transition tag six million dollars. Basically

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Speaker 6: the difference in the transition tag and the franchise tag,

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Speaker 6: the six million dollar risk they're taking because they think

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Speaker 6: thirty seven million is more of Daniel Jones's actual value,

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Speaker 6: or they need every last penny to get everything done

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Speaker 6: they feel necessary this offseason.

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Speaker 8: So part of I think part of what's happening here

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Speaker 8: is just to be talking not one years. It's this

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Speaker 8: if you go with the franchise tag, and I'm not

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Speaker 8: saying it's the right call, but I'm given maybe some

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Speaker 8: possible rationale. If you go with the franchise tag, what

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Speaker 8: you are doing is you are then starting the multi

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Speaker 8: year contract discussion at what is it, forty four million,

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Speaker 8: I believe. So at that point, what you're doing is

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Speaker 8: you're saying, all right, if we sign him to a

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Speaker 8: three year deal, we're signaling to his camp, Well, the

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Speaker 8: starting point is forty four million. Very clearly right now

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Speaker 8: they are not at forty four million per year for

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Speaker 8: Daniel Jones, and I know my colleague Adam Schefter specifically

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Speaker 8: said that there is a disagreement over value right now.

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Speaker 8: He said that yesterday, I believe on macafee's show, and

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Speaker 8: I think that that's kind of what I figured, right

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Speaker 8: they are haggling over what is the value. I think

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Speaker 8: it's a complicated situation, given the injury, given his history

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Speaker 8: up and down through his career, all of that. Right,

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Speaker 8: So if you then go with the franchise tag, you're

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Speaker 8: then saying, look, we're going to continue talking. But the

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Speaker 8: starting point if I'm Daniel Jones agent at that point

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Speaker 8: is okay, so forty four million a year and let's

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Speaker 8: start from there. Well, that's not the conversation the Colts

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Speaker 8: are trying to.

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Speaker 5: Have regards to Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 6: You've been all over this, just the desire for the

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Speaker 6: stability at quarterback. Obviously, now with him free to choose

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Speaker 6: where he goes, I have a feeling his market could

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Speaker 6: include some teams that you could make an argument have

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Speaker 6: a much more stable situation at quarterback. How much of

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Speaker 6: that do you think will be a factor in Pierce

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Speaker 6: ultimately choosing his home Because of course, you know the

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Speaker 6: Colts aren't in a position where they can just match

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Speaker 6: like with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 8: Right, So, a couple of things. Number One, he did

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Speaker 8: talk about wanting to if he came back here, wanting

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Speaker 8: to play with Daniel Jones. He said that at the

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Speaker 8: conclusion of the season. Now, my sort of emphasis on

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Speaker 8: that is not just based on that, It's also based

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Speaker 8: on conversations in recent days. Alex Pearce wants the quarterback

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Speaker 8: situation here settled before he signs. That was made very

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Speaker 8: clear to me. So that's the first thing. Now as

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Speaker 8: you apply that to other teams, that is true. There's

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Speaker 8: no question that he could have some period quarterback situations,

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Speaker 8: and you know, potentially at least. I mean, I think

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Speaker 8: Buffalo comes to mind. I don't know if they've made

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Speaker 8: any overtures and what their number would be. I have

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Speaker 8: no idea, but I think it's it's a pretty obvious

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Speaker 8: connection to make, and there's some other ones as well,

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Speaker 8: But I agree, I do think that right now, I

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Speaker 8: think Alec Paris wants to come back right now. The

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Speaker 8: problem is the longer he sits out there and the

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Speaker 8: more he's able to entertain and be courted by other teams,

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Speaker 8: the easier it becomes to see yourself in a different uniform.

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Speaker 8: Now we're not there yet. I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 8: for fans to panic about or anything like that, but

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Speaker 8: you know we are what we're a few days away.

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Speaker 8: On Monday, he can speak to other teams, or at

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Speaker 8: least his agent can, and at that point, now you're

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Speaker 8: getting tangible offers. You're not talking hypothetically anymore. Now you

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Speaker 8: can you can write it down on paper and you

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Speaker 8: can slide it across the table and you can say,

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Speaker 8: how about that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: And so that makes it more real. So I just

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Speaker 8: think that's the issue for the Colts. I think that's

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Speaker 8: really I'm not saying it's their deadline, but that's I

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Speaker 8: think what you're trying to avoid. You don't want him

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Speaker 8: to get to that situation because then the odds of

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Speaker 8: losing him become very real.

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Speaker 5: Again, we're speaking to ESPN's Stephen Holder, their Colts reporter,

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Speaker 5: and Stephen, why would he sign before Monday? Like, is

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Speaker 5: there any instinctive on his part?

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 8: No, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 8: In fact, I will tell you, I can tell you

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Speaker 8: for a fact that the likelihood of him taking this

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Speaker 8: to next week went up infinitely yesterday. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 8: expecting it at this point, and I mean the tag

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Speaker 8: decision was always going to be huge in terms of

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Speaker 8: how he proceeded for obvious reasons, right, I mean, there

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Speaker 8: is no incentive for him to sign ahead of time.

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Speaker 8: That is absolutely true. The only the only way it

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Speaker 8: happens is if I don't know what their offer is now.

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Speaker 8: I don't know where they're at. I'm not going to

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Speaker 8: speak to that. But the only plausible thing that could

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Speaker 8: happen that would change the calculus is if they had

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Speaker 8: a dramatically different offer and if you're Alec Pearis, you

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Speaker 8: just want to get it done now, that could happen,

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Speaker 8: but it's probably not the best business decision.

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Speaker 5: I mean, million i'd sign right away.

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Speaker 8: Well yeah, everybody's signed for two, right, but but I

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Speaker 8: anticipate that it goes to next week at this point, yes,

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Speaker 8: And honestly, look, I don't know if it's It may

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Speaker 8: not be the smartest thing for the Colts in the end,

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Speaker 8: because you're gonna let You're gonna let other teams now

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Speaker 8: negotiate for you, right, I mean, if you are the Colts,

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Speaker 8: you're gonna end up having to match somebody else's offer

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Speaker 8: to Alec Pearris, you know, because he can't sign until

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Speaker 8: next Wednesday, a week from today, but he can get

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Speaker 8: those offers in hand and you can take them back

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Speaker 8: to the Colts and be like, hey, team X says

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Speaker 8: I'm worth thirty million a year, which is not out

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Speaker 8: of the question, by the way, from from what we

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Speaker 8: have been hearing Glassy Days.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And to follow up to that, Steven, how

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Speaker 5: much do you think this song and dance with Daniel

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Speaker 5: Jones and with Alec Pearce will perhaps influence how the

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Speaker 5: rest of your moves are made? And does it put

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Speaker 5: sort of like a hold on what else you can do? Because,

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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, free agency begins next week, and so

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Speaker 5: it's not just about trying to get a long term

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Speaker 5: deal done with Daniel Jones and retaining Alec peers. There's

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Speaker 5: other flaws and areas of need for this team. But

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Speaker 5: can any of that get done before those two guys

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Speaker 5: are settled?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you do need some clarity. I do

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Speaker 8: agree with that, or at least it would help to

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Speaker 8: have some clarity. I think the Colts are first off,

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Speaker 8: I mean they have already crunched all the numbers. You know,

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Speaker 8: we can rest assured they have crunched all the numbers

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Speaker 8: and gone through all the contingencies and dotted all the

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Speaker 8: eyes and across the t's, etc.

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Speaker 4: That has happened.

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Speaker 8: There's no question in my mind. They're good at that

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Speaker 8: part of it, right. They They managed the cap as

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Speaker 8: well as anybody, you know, perhaps better than most other teams.

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Speaker 8: So they will position themselves to do what they need

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Speaker 8: to do. Now the question is how much are they

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Speaker 8: willing to do? And that, by the way, includes the

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Speaker 8: Michael Pittman situation. I don't know where it's going, but

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think it has to be addressed. You

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Speaker 8: have other deals like I mean, you could extend Quintin Nelson. Frankly,

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Speaker 8: you could have done that yesterday. I think that that

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Speaker 8: could have been done months ago. Frankly. So I think

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Speaker 8: things like that can be done and you can squeeze

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Speaker 8: out quite a bit of cap space. I will say

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Speaker 8: the Combine said to me from my conversations that the

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Speaker 8: defense with some targeted signings on defense, and frankly, Chris

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Speaker 8: Ballard said this, I would look for some targeted signings

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Speaker 8: on defense. I think it's actually going to be a

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Speaker 8: pretty active free agency period for the Colts. That's what

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Speaker 8: I'm anticipating, and I have heard. I was told very

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Speaker 8: specifically that Carli ers A. Gordon is willing to be

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Speaker 8: active in free agency this year and that you should

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Speaker 8: expect that.

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Speaker 4: Steven.

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Speaker 6: Last one from me. Let me throw some names at you.

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Speaker 6: Alec Pierce, Michael Pittman, Junior, Ziar Franklin, Kenny Moore, those

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Speaker 6: four Pittman, Pierce, Franklin More.

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Speaker 5: How many are back in September.

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Speaker 8: M that's a tricky one. I think there's a scenario

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Speaker 8: where they're all back. But but I think Pittman plays

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Speaker 8: in a lower number. If he's going to be here,

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Speaker 8: I think you just have to.

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Speaker 5: Would you rather say three?

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Speaker 6: Would you bet three back or four back? What would

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Speaker 6: you be more confident in all four or three?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I guess I think I think all four. I think

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Speaker 8: all four. I mean I think with Kenny, Kenny's an

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Speaker 8: interesting one. He has, he has, you know, versatility. Uh,

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Speaker 8: they're going to probably lose that cross, you know, I

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Speaker 8: think you could you could still make a lot. You

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Speaker 8: can still do a lot with Kenny Moore on your team.

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Speaker 8: And I mean, frankly, the money's fine. I don't think

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Speaker 8: it's anything ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: So I think you.

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Speaker 8: Keep Canny Moore, Zire Franklin in the grand scheme, not

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Speaker 8: a ton of money, and that position is just so

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Speaker 8: barren right now. I think it helps him. I am

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Speaker 8: not suggesting that he had a great season, but I

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Speaker 8: just think the cover being so bare at that position

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Speaker 8: does help him. So we will see if they can

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Speaker 8: protect him and get a more athletic guy playing beside him.

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Speaker 8: It makes it more digestible, but they got to have

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Speaker 8: that for him to be effective.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think if we fans, we just want Daniel Jones, Sigmon,

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Speaker 3: we went Alec Pierce back, we want Pittman on a

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Speaker 3: reduced number. We want the other guys to longer term contracts. No,

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Speaker 3: by the way, let's go get Trey Hendrickson too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's what that's all we want, right.

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Speaker 4: Sure, that's it, That's it.

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Speaker 8: I do think the one big splashy ish signing they

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Speaker 8: could make is a defensive end that if they make one,

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Speaker 8: it'll be a defensive end. And I'm not saying it's

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Speaker 8: Trey Hendrickson. In fact, I'm not banking on that. I

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Speaker 8: do think, though, like, who is this year is justin Houston.

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Speaker 8: That was just such a great signing. I don't know,

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Speaker 8: it's been like six years now, but I think their

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Speaker 8: best moves at defensive end have been free agents, and

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Speaker 8: I think they should follow that path this year and

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Speaker 8: then fill in the rest with those second tier free

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Speaker 8: agents and govin there.

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Speaker 3: And as Susan points out on the text line, we

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Speaker 3: haven't even talked about Nick Cross yet.

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Speaker 2: I liked what he did last year. Can they even

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Speaker 2: keep him under all these scenarios?

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Speaker 8: I love Nick Cross. I don't see that he's here

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Speaker 8: next year. And it's nothing personal. I think he's going

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Speaker 8: to get a very lucrative offer and I think he's

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Speaker 8: going to have to take it, though, you know, I

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Speaker 8: liken this to the Bobby o'carake situation a few years ago.

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Speaker 8: There was no question that Bobby was a great player

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Speaker 8: and budding, like Pro Bowl type of player, but they

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Speaker 8: just didn't have it in the budget and it was

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Speaker 8: for them a position where they could find a replacement,

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Speaker 8: and they did, and so they let him walk. It

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Speaker 8: wasn't anything personal. I think the same thing with Nick Cross.

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Speaker 8: You've got those two young twenty twenty five rookies who

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Speaker 8: were hurt last year. Wally and Roller, for example, who

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Speaker 8: come into play. We have talked among ourselves. Maybe does

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Speaker 8: Kenny More factor in it as a possible safety. I

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Speaker 8: could see that that is totally possible, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: So you have options there, and I don't think you

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Speaker 8: have to force a big time money signing at strong safety,

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Speaker 8: which is a low value position, even though Nitcross is

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Speaker 8: a very good player.

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Speaker 3: Steven Holder always great to pick your brain, Always good

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Speaker 3: to have you around. Hope you have a terrific Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: To you soon.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll see you guys happy Wednesday morning. It's

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Speaker 3: trying out a little bit. Maybe it was wet yesterday,

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Speaker 3: a lot of rain, but better than the snow I

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Speaker 3: guess on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Ka, I'm crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, starting to warm up probably, that's what that means.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, things are warming up in the off

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Speaker 3: season of the National Football Yesterday, of course, the Indianapolis

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Speaker 3: Colts putting the transition tag on quarterback Daniel Jones. We've

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Speaker 3: been talking about what it might mean for the team

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Speaker 3: moving forward, and now we thought we'd get some national perspective.

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Speaker 3: Matt Verdam joins US now on the pay less liquers hotline.

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Speaker 3: He works at Sports Illustrated. He covers the league and

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Speaker 3: he's been kind enough to wake up and join us

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Speaker 3: this morning. Matt, good morning, thanks for being here. It

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Speaker 3: is that time of year in the National Football League,

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Speaker 3: and the Colts get it started off with a transition

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Speaker 3: tag on a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Don't see that very often. What were your thoughts when

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Speaker 2: you first heard that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's smart.

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Speaker 9: Look, if you weren't going to get a long term

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Speaker 9: deal done, then this was the next best option because

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Speaker 9: it gives them some control, you know, the franchise tag.

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Speaker 9: Look for fans maybe aren't aware. If you Francis dag

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Speaker 9: a player and another team offers and you allow that

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Speaker 9: player to leave, you get two first round picks, which

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Speaker 9: is why it never happens. It hasn't happened in twenty

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Speaker 9: five years. Transition tag a team can make an offer,

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Speaker 9: the Colts can choose not to match.

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Speaker 4: They get nothing back. But if the Colts do.

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Speaker 9: Match, then Daniel Jones is in Indianapolis on that contract.

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Speaker 4: And so look, the reality is.

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Speaker 9: It gives the Colts the ability to kind of control

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Speaker 9: the market here if there's an offer that they feel

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Speaker 9: like is appropriate, they can just match it and really, look,

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Speaker 9: is it possible some team fries to poison pell them

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Speaker 9: just offer some crazy contract. Yeah, but it's unlikely if

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Speaker 9: you look at the league, I don't know who that

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Speaker 9: team would be. And so I think, you know, the

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Speaker 9: cultural continues trying to have them away at a deal.

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Speaker 9: And the other question is, obviously you got a week

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Speaker 9: or so, what happens with Pierce? Do the Colts find

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Speaker 9: a way to keep him? He's probably going to be

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Speaker 9: the most expensive receiver on the market by a wide margin.

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Speaker 9: And if they do is at the end of Michael Pittman,

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Speaker 9: so's there's a lot of moving parts in it.

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 5: From a national perspective, when you're looking at quarterbacks around

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Speaker 5: the league, why do you think Daniel Jones still has

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Speaker 5: a decent amount of levers to even warrant a transition

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Speaker 5: tag when he played half a good season here in Indianapolis?

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Speaker 9: Because maligue willis played like ten good quarters and he's

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Speaker 9: going to get thirty to forty million. I mean, it's crazy, right,

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Speaker 9: but it's the reality is like in an insane world,

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Speaker 9: I'm with you, Like, in the sane world, you'd be

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Speaker 9: sitting there, Okay, Indianapolis is gonna give maybe another one

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Speaker 9: year deal.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a two year deal that's kind of.

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Speaker 9: Really a one year deal with a team option on

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Speaker 9: the back end. But even off the Achilles, even off

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Speaker 9: of you know, I would say the back half year

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Speaker 9: before you heard he slowed down, he was still effective.

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Speaker 9: Certainly wasn't as good as he was first after year,

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Speaker 9: you know.

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Speaker 4: He's got leveraged for a few reasons.

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Speaker 9: One, he's still a relatively young quarterback who played really

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Speaker 9: well for a big stretch of last season. Number Two,

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Speaker 9: this is a stupid reason, but NFL teams, it's a

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Speaker 9: reason he was a first round pick. He was a

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Speaker 9: high pick years ago. He's had even with the Giants,

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Speaker 9: he had flashes, and so teams are always gonna believe

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Speaker 9: in that town.

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Speaker 4: If Daniel Jones is.

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Speaker 9: A fourth round pick, I think we're talking about a

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Speaker 9: much different situation. And then lastly, because of the position

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Speaker 9: these the eyes are in such demand, and the culturally

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Speaker 9: kind of boxed themselves into a corner here when they

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Speaker 9: traded through first round picture Sauce Gardner, Like, once they

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Speaker 9: did that, they're kind of in on Daniel Jones at

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Speaker 9: that point.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know that they can backtrack.

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Speaker 9: They're not going to be able to draft a quarterback

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Speaker 9: even next year when the class is supposed to be

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Speaker 9: really good. This year it's Mendoza basically nobody else.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna it's gonna be a challenge for them.

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Speaker 9: So if you're ballad like, you're kind of all in

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Speaker 9: at this point with Jones, I don't know that there's

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Speaker 9: an exit ramp. You You took away that egg of

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Speaker 9: ramp when you when you traded through first round, Picture Gardner.

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Speaker 6: Matt Verderram, great stuff over on SI Wonders and Losers

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Speaker 6: from yesterday and the tag day that was around the league.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of the news items, Kyler Murray seemingly available for

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Speaker 6: relatively cheap money here, let's call it twenty million dollars cheaper,

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Speaker 6: probably more, but let's call Kyler Murray twenty million dollars

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Speaker 6: cheaper than Daniel Jones. Who would you either have next

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Speaker 6: year Kyler Murray or Daniel Jones Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 4: But but.

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Speaker 9: It's not like I'm running to go sign Kyler Murray

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Speaker 9: like the Cardinals. The Cardinals have Jacoby Brissett as a backup,

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Speaker 9: who col Stands are familiar with.

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Speaker 4: And I think Jacoby presets.

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Speaker 9: A good backup. He's not a good starter. He's older,

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Speaker 9: he's on the back nine of his career, and the

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Speaker 9: Cardinals still says, you know what, we're good, We're good.

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Speaker 9: We're just gonna release you. And they're getting no cap

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Speaker 9: real leaf. By the way, like if they now they

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Speaker 9: designated as a post June one, then they get a

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Speaker 9: little bit, but even then not that much. If they

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Speaker 9: just cut him straight up free June one. Okay, see you,

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Speaker 9: thanks for the memories, they're actually eating an additional two

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Speaker 9: million dollars this year, like they are just basically saying,

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Speaker 9: we do not want you, please leave. Is he talented, Yes,

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Speaker 9: At the same point, he's had an injury history. He's

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Speaker 9: also won nothing at this long now now listen, part

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Speaker 9: of that is the Cardinals. Part of that has been

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Speaker 9: his own shortcomings. I think he's going to have a

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Speaker 9: significant market. You know, everybody thinks the Vikings will be

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Speaker 9: in on them there. I wonder if the Jets will

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Speaker 9: be in on him. You know, I got to paying

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Speaker 9: the time. I mean, the Cardinals are paying the freight here.

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Speaker 9: I mean he's going to get a very cheap contract.

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Speaker 9: You know, I thought the Cardinals might even be able

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Speaker 9: to trade him, quite honestly, because when you acquire players

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Speaker 9: just taking on a base salary as a cap hit,

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Speaker 9: his cap hit is not that much in the next

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Speaker 9: two years. It's like two years forty million. But as

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Speaker 9: it turns out, look he's going to go. I think

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Speaker 9: the Cardinals this is just an educated get. I think

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Speaker 9: they think they're going to get league Willis. You know,

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Speaker 9: Austin Ford, who's their GM was was there when the

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Speaker 9: Titans drafted Willis and Tennessee obviously, Michael floor is a

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Speaker 9: new coach, well, Matt leaflor Is his older brother and

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Speaker 9: just coach Willis for the last two years. And if

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Speaker 9: you're Willis, where would you rather Go'd you rather go

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Speaker 9: to the Cardinals all the offensive weapons they.

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Speaker 4: Have, or the Jets or Cleveland?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I feel like if you're Willis, that's kind

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Speaker 9: of a clear answer.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I think Murray's going to have, yeah, a

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Speaker 9: handful of shooters. I don't think he's going to be

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Speaker 9: sitting there waiting around forever.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Trey Hendrickson ends up?

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Speaker 9: You know, if the Colts could make it work capwise,

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Speaker 9: I think they're the perfect fifth one.

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Speaker 4: Honestly.

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Speaker 9: You know, look, he's he's a guy who thrives them

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Speaker 9: around in Rumo and since he had his best years

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Speaker 9: there when Anam Rumo was there, I think he's a

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Speaker 9: weird evaluation in the sense that come off a little

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Speaker 9: bit of a down the year. He's over the age

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Speaker 9: of thirty, but he's still want healthy.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the best.

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Speaker 9: Pass rushers in the NFL. He's a great player, no

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Speaker 9: off field concerns, nothing like that. So I think he's

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Speaker 9: going to get paid. But you know, over thirty million years,

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Speaker 9: I think that's probably where thing lands. Maybe maybe it's

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Speaker 9: right around that number just because of the age and

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Speaker 9: it doesn't climb into like the thirty five million area.

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Speaker 4: But he you know, I look at him and say, you.

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Speaker 9: Know, there's a guy that if you're a team that's

880
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 9: trying to get to the next level, whether you're a

881
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 9: team like the Colts and you're trying to become a

882
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 9: consistent playoff team, whether you're a team, no, I don't

883
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 9: think a team could afford him, like the Bills, we're

884
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 9: trying to get to that that super Bowl level. You know,

885
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 9: a guy like Henderson, like Hendrickson another place.

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00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: I look at it.

887
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 9: The Bears, who right now, by the way, are have

888
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 9: to be somewhat reeling with Donovan retiring.

889
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: That is a massive loss.

890
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 9: But Hendrickson is a guy. But I think they're all

891
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 9: on Max Crosby. I think they'd love to get him.

892
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 9: But if they can't, I look at Henderson say, looking

893
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 9: at the Bears, you need somebody on the edge, right

894
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 9: you need somebody to go with Montese sweat. They don't have.

895
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 9: It's a black hole on their side. You know, that

896
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 9: line is kind of in flux right now. They need

897
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 9: another piece. But those are a couple of teams that

898
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 9: I think are going to be in a in a

899
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 9: you know, I don't want to say, maybe a bidding war,

900
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 9: but I think that'll be very It'll be It'll be

901
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 9: a hot market for Henderson. He's not gonna He's not

902
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 9: gonna go without a lot of studs coming on day

903
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 9: after that.

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00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: It's so total hypothetical if it came down to it

905
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: for the Colts and then money's money, Alec Pierce or

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson.

907
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 9: Like it's hard because Pierce is so much younger, But

908
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 9: I think Henderson's a much better player like Pierce is

909
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 9: an awesome deep thright. You know, to have less than

910
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 9: fifty receptions half a thousand yards is tremendous. The last

911
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 9: two years, he's led the league in yards for a session.

912
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 9: At the same point, if I can put Hendrickson with

913
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 9: a lot to keep Pittman, maybe draft or receiver in

914
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 9: the mid rounds. This is a very very very deep

915
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 9: draft first series is also, to be fair, very draft

916
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 9: at deep trapp edge. I personally would would take Henderson

917
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 9: for the next two to three years and keep Pittman

918
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 9: and just say, you know, I think that's the better

919
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 9: combination because I think Hendrickson sells.

920
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 4: A lot of really good football offs.

921
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 9: And I also wonder, like how much of how much

922
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 9: of Henderson last year was just not like you got

923
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 9: hurt and out say that that.

924
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 4: Is what it is.

925
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 9: But that was a that was a bad situation since scenatio.

926
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 9: Last year, I was a camp, I was doing my

927
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 9: Canter last year. I was in Cincinnati when Henderson came back, uh,

928
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 9: and it was.

929
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: It was awkward.

930
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 9: I mean there was it was very obvious even a

931
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 9: couple of years ago, because actually it was two years

932
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 9: ago when I was there and he did that it

933
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 9: was awkward. Then last year it didn't get any better.

934
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 9: There was still a lot of bitterness. You know, the

935
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 9: team was awful defensively. I think they're going to whoever

936
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 9: signed him. I think he's going to get the best version.

937
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 5: Trans last one from me, Matt, And again thanks for

938
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 5: the time. I encourage you all to check out Matt

939
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Speaker 5: veter Ram's work at Sports Illustrated. Anthony Richardson requested a

940
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: trade last week. The Colts want to work with him

941
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 5: with finding a trade partner. Have you thought about where

942
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: he could go to try to, in essence, revitalize his career.

943
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 9: You know, James, I really I think with Anthony Richardson,

944
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 9: but he's not going to go somewhere and find the

945
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 9: starting gigame.

946
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm not saying that, right.

947
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 9: No, right, But I mean there's this thought that, like, well,

948
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Speaker 9: he could just go somewhere. It's like that he's gonna

949
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 9: have to He's gonna have to take the long road

950
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 9: here a little bit. And I I love to see

951
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 9: him go to a coach who's known to be able

952
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 9: to work with quarterbacks. You know, look, Jimmy groffol is

953
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 9: probably in the Rams. Maybe he goes to the Rams

954
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 9: and sits behind Stafford for a year or two. Uh,

955
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 9: maybe he goes to Kansas City and you know, they

956
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 9: had Mitchell as their backup Lasher he's to create. Maybe

957
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 9: he goes there and he sits behind Mahomes and learns

958
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 9: from the Homes and Larne from Andy Reid, and who knows,

959
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 9: maybe he has to play a few games to start

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 9: the year based on whether or not Mahomes back Macy. Yeah,

961
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 9: I think you will be, but it's unclear. Uh, you know,

962
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 9: Minnesota of course is the one. You know, you say, hey,

963
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 9: I mean if there's a path, maybe it's there because

964
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 9: McCarthy's been hurt and or ineffective throughout his first two

965
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 9: years and Kevin O'Connell is known as his quarterback guru.

966
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 9: But I want to see Anthony Richardson go to a

967
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 9: team where he is going to get really coach stuff,

968
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 9: not stichen is it is it dam could coach in

969
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 9: his own right.

970
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 4: So if you can't may go work with him.

971
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 9: There are obvious concerns, but I'd like to see him

972
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 9: go to a team like that and a team that

973
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 9: there's no pressure on him, which is the only concern

974
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 9: I have. Minnesota it feels like if you go to Minnesota,

975
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 9: people are gonna view him as like, Hey, he can

976
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 9: come in here and he can fix this. I'd like

977
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 9: to see him go to a team where he can

978
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 9: just reset, take a year, learn, and then and then

979
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 9: maybe try to go from there and take the Malik

980
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 9: Willis Rout.

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Speaker 3: Matt, great stuff. Thanks for your time this morning. We

982
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: appreciate your perspective and we'll call on you again down

983
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: the road.

984
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: Thanks and no problem anytime.