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Speaker 3: Nick?
Speaker 4: I am here with Modest Media. How you doing, sir?
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Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm here with miss Naturally.
Speaker 4: Nay glad you were able to join us.
Speaker 2: I am Spike Lou of the on Deck TV show
Speaker 2: and another week in the books. How you doing?
Speaker 5: Man? What up?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 5: I'm good?
Speaker 2: Kenneth Ban, how you doing, sir?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: And Mike c town Yo.
Speaker 4: You now tune into the Frames per Second Podcast And
Speaker 4: in this episode, we are continuing on with our weekly
Speaker 4: recaps of the hit HBO original series Starrings in Deya
Speaker 4: titled Euphoria. This recap is dedicated episode five, called This
Speaker 4: Little Piggy. It's a lot to get into with this episode.
Speaker 4: I feel like, so I'm gonna just got Barry to
Speaker 4: lead overall thoughts. I'll start with you, Lou. It was okay.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was just about like the last
Speaker 4: episode I got. I said I wouldn't gonna like the
Speaker 4: tropes with them and Rue snitching, and I felt like
Speaker 4: they just played all of them and that's just the
Speaker 4: main story.
Speaker 5: So we came as far to see them. Suspect Ruis snitching.
Speaker 5: It was alright, just okay to me, it was just
Speaker 5: okay to YouTube.
Speaker 6: Nay, Yeah, there were there are some things I liked
Speaker 6: about it. There were some things I really didn't. It
Speaker 6: was I feel like the show is slowly declining for me,
Speaker 6: mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What about you Rock?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I'm with them, man, I don't understand
Speaker 7: what they're doing with.
Speaker 3: What they're doing today. I tried, I tried. I tried
Speaker 3: to to hold out, but.
Speaker 7: I think this is how they they're going with them
Speaker 7: That is crazy to me, but okay, But overall the
Speaker 7: show I'm kind of with. I can't remember it was Nails,
Speaker 7: Spike they said, it's like I think it was. Nay
Speaker 7: said it was like, I think it's just on a
Speaker 7: slight decline. It just doesn't seem to be getting better,
Speaker 7: like I feel like You four US is always just
Speaker 7: like you seem like it was getting better with every episode,
Speaker 7: and I don't know, I don't feel like that right now.
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm happening to force myself to kind
Speaker 7: of like it, and I feel like after we talk
Speaker 7: I like it a little bit more after we talk
Speaker 7: about it, But like I used to just like it
Speaker 7: just going in.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm is that the same time? Well, I remember
Speaker 1: season two.
Speaker 8: I was mostly luke warm on it until it got
Speaker 8: real sort of messy towards the end, and then with
Speaker 8: the whole theater thing with LETSI was doing, et cetera,
Speaker 8: et cetera. You know, I'm having similar feelings right now,
Speaker 8: except I don't know if they're gonna close it out
Speaker 8: to where they can recover. And my concern from last
Speaker 8: week is raised even more this week. How in the
Speaker 8: hell they're gonna end this ship? Yeah, it's weird, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're gonna end it right here.
Speaker 7: It seems like they gotta do another season or something.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think they're signing on to dude another
Speaker 4: season in their content contractlast week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's four seasons. They may end it
Speaker 2: next season.
Speaker 8: But if that's the case, well they're gonna have to
Speaker 8: come right back then because they can't wait another.
Speaker 2: And they are busy as hell.
Speaker 8: Well, either way go, if that's the case, then they
Speaker 8: do come back for another season, it may make it
Speaker 8: make more sense.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think like we got some good
Speaker 1: moments here, so overall, I think it was.
Speaker 8: It was fine. I think the thing well, I don't know.
Speaker 8: We'll talk about Nate later on, but yeah, yeah, overall
Speaker 8: it was it was fine.
Speaker 4: I'm just concerned. I liked this episode. I like this episode.
Speaker 4: I don't really have many high expectations on this series though,
Speaker 4: and I think I kind of knew that going in.
Speaker 4: I was just trying to say, like talk myself into
Speaker 4: continue watching it, like, Okay, it's gonna get better.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get better. So to me, it hasn't really dipped.
Speaker 2: It's just that we're just.
Speaker 4: Going through the motions of it, and I'm hoping, like
Speaker 4: I think we got maybe with three episodes left, and
Speaker 4: with everything that, like you said, all the tropes and
Speaker 4: all that stuff, it's going to lead to a big thing.
Speaker 2: So that's why I don't mind the bread crumbs.
Speaker 4: I don't mind the tropes because that usually means that's
Speaker 4: going to be like a huge climax, whether in the
Speaker 4: ninth or the second or last episode or the season finale.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you the reason that that don't sit
Speaker 5: well with me for this show is we know nothing's
Speaker 5: gonna happen to Rule, So you couldn't as many dangerous.
Speaker 5: Couldn't nobody dies really on this show, not now, not
Speaker 5: at this point. And she's a star, so like you
Speaker 5: can play all of these games with her that I'm
Speaker 5: sure we'll get into later when she's in these scenarios
Speaker 5: where it's like, damn, is she gonna make it out? Yeah,
Speaker 5: she gonna make it every time. That's why I don't
Speaker 5: like it, Like they should have won another way it
Speaker 5: used to do. This used to be interesting when she
Speaker 5: was dealing with drugs and she was dealing with so
Speaker 5: many other things, like her relationship. But now if we're
Speaker 5: just dealing with her trying not to get caught by
Speaker 5: the police or killed, we know that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: And y'all talking about another season like it's just there's
Speaker 5: no payoff.
Speaker 2: But isn't that every main character of every show, like
Speaker 2: you know, they ain't really like.
Speaker 5: When we're just saying this show used to do that better. Though,
Speaker 5: this show used to do that a lot better. There
Speaker 5: were real stakes because you got to think if something
Speaker 5: bad happened to Rule, it wasn't taken her off the board.
Speaker 5: It was like her going to rehab. So there were
Speaker 5: stakes when she was like struggling with drugs or like
Speaker 5: she has an argument with her mom and her sister.
Speaker 5: There's stakes because you can remove her from the scene
Speaker 5: and she can go to rehab and come back. The
Speaker 5: stakes here are dead or jail, and we know that's
Speaker 5: not going to happen to her. That's why I didn't
Speaker 5: want them to go this way with the troup. What
Speaker 5: are your thoughts on this episode, Mike. I did not
Speaker 5: think this episode was very good. This was probably the
Speaker 5: worst episode of the season so far. I do slightly
Speaker 5: disagree with Spike. I don't see why she couldn't go
Speaker 5: to jail. There's no reason that she couldn't go to
Speaker 5: jail for something and then just get out. But I
Speaker 5: do agree with Spike with the trope of she's not
Speaker 5: gonna die and that kind of thing just gets boring
Speaker 5: when you put characters in positions like this where we
Speaker 5: know that nothing is really going to happen to them,
Speaker 5: but get into the Nate stuff, of course, but this
Speaker 5: was This was just not a well written episode. And
Speaker 5: it wasn't even the Nate ship that bothered me. This
Speaker 5: ship was bad from the second it started. I was like,
Speaker 5: Sidney Sweetey, you are a sad and pathetic character, because.
Speaker 2: You should have quit this fucking show.
Speaker 4: When they said, look, we're gonna make your titties bust
Speaker 4: a window, you should have been like, all right, bro,
Speaker 4: I'm out.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Kay, bullshit anymore.
Speaker 4: We start off this episode with Cassie continuing on with
Speaker 4: her OnlyFans content create a lifestyle now that she has
Speaker 4: a bigger platform after being tagged by that famous influencer Brandon.
Speaker 4: But we're also seeing the day in the life of
Speaker 4: being an influencer and how much you gotta do to
Speaker 4: create content in general, this kind of content, and I
Speaker 4: think it's starting to starting to take a toll. Nay,
Speaker 4: what was your thoughts on Cassie this episode, especially how
Speaker 4: we started off this episode.
Speaker 6: This is the biggest problem my hand with this episode
Speaker 6: was the way it started off. I don't understand Sidney
Speaker 6: Sweeney as an actress. I don't understand her as a person,
Speaker 6: and I don't understand why she's okay with this character.
Speaker 9: It seems like.
Speaker 6: It seems like Sidney's trying to get away from this
Speaker 6: hot girl characterization that she has, but has allowed Sam
Speaker 6: Lovinson to just throw her all the way into it
Speaker 6: to the point where she's a fifty foot, big, titty, blond.
Speaker 9: Haired white girl.
Speaker 5: I just it was so.
Speaker 9: It just seems so counterinto it.
Speaker 6: It just seems so over the top and unnecessary, Like
Speaker 6: what is the You could have explained whatever it was
Speaker 6: you were trying to explain about Cassie's head getting big
Speaker 6: and her trying to take over Hollywood and whatever the
Speaker 6: hell it had to be a different way to pick
Speaker 6: foot Titty's busting through a window. I just don't understand.
Speaker 6: It just came off so tasteless. It didn't come off
Speaker 6: creative in the least bit. And it's almost it almost
Speaker 6: seemed like a gotcha, like, oh, you want to get
Speaker 6: away from this trope, and now I'm was gonna make
Speaker 6: it bigger for you. It just it was so unnecessary
Speaker 6: and it turned me off from the whole episode out
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 2: Row, are you saying your hair in agreement?
Speaker 3: It did? It did feel a little over the top.
Speaker 7: Like watching it, I do get what they were trying
Speaker 7: to do, and it obviously Nay gets it too, but
Speaker 7: she just didn't like it, you know.
Speaker 3: With like her being this you know, because I think
Speaker 3: she had just reached like fifty thousand followers or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 7: So they were trying to be clever with the fifty
Speaker 7: foot woman thing or whatever.
Speaker 3: So you know, it was okay. She's she's committed to
Speaker 3: the role.
Speaker 7: That's That's what I do appreciate about any Sweeney in
Speaker 7: this role is that she's super committed to it. I
Speaker 7: could care less about her, and I said that from
Speaker 7: the first episode, like I can care less about what
Speaker 7: she does and her personal life, but as far as
Speaker 7: when it comes to the show, she's definitely committed to
Speaker 7: it and I and I kind of give her credit
Speaker 7: for it, honestly, So I'm kind of on the opposite
Speaker 7: in the name when it comes to that, you.
Speaker 9: Give her credits.
Speaker 7: What she's doing in this role. She's she's she's committed
Speaker 7: to the role. And I don't know why she's so
Speaker 7: committed to the role, but she is committed to the role.
Speaker 7: And I and I do and I do like in
Speaker 7: an odd way respected or whatever, because she's really selling it.
Speaker 3: She's really she's really selling this headed.
Speaker 9: M I said, I feel the polar opposite. I disrespect
Speaker 9: him because it's.
Speaker 6: Like it feels, I don't know why, it feels more
Speaker 6: like the gene com Marshall, it's like you're just doing
Speaker 6: whatever for the check, That's what It's just. It's just
Speaker 6: like you don't have any like where's your stance?
Speaker 9: And if you all do? Yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, uh, Lou, was it a turn off for you?
Speaker 5: I mean, wee this before from her, so I think
Speaker 5: I'm more on the side. I understand what Rod saying
Speaker 5: is about her committment to the performance. It is impressive.
Speaker 5: I will say, we don't know why you it's impressive
Speaker 5: sticking to this. I will say that, but I totally
Speaker 5: get what they're saying. Like when I first seen it,
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, bro, why they doing this? Like
Speaker 5: like this is it's like a trolling us. It was
Speaker 5: like they was like doing something Living Color mad TV
Speaker 5: type shit, Like bro, like, come on, this show is
Speaker 5: better than that, or at least it used to be.
Speaker 5: I don't like. I didn't like nothing about her character
Speaker 5: this episode. I didn't like, I'm sure we'll get into
Speaker 5: the conversation with Maddie, but this whole opening seemed like
Speaker 5: I didn't need this, Like we knew what she did,
Speaker 5: and for.
Speaker 4: Me, this reminded me of that that Dave Seppelle skin
Speaker 4: when he was fighting Gozilla and it also it also
Speaker 4: reminded me of the beginning of Barbie where they try
Speaker 4: to do the two thousand and one Odysse things.
Speaker 1: It was just like they was.
Speaker 4: It seemed like, let's mix smash all this shit together,
Speaker 4: and the people are going to react to it because
Speaker 4: it's a white woman with big titties. So first of all,
Speaker 4: we got everybody's eyes. But how we executed it's gonna
Speaker 4: be interesting. Was it interesting for you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But I think they it was. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a turnoff. I think they were trying to create a moment.
Speaker 8: So everybody can get on Twitter and social media and
Speaker 8: talk about what happened in Euphoria. And you know, I'm
Speaker 8: sure a lot of teenagers. I think a lot of
Speaker 8: teenagers and stuff were watching it, college kids or whatever.
Speaker 5: But Lou, I don't think the show is better than this.
Speaker 1: This is what they do. This is what they've always
Speaker 1: done with her, this is what they've always done with Cassie.
Speaker 1: This is her role. To Rod's point, but I'm in
Speaker 1: agreement with Nay And that's why I was so.
Speaker 8: Confused and conflicting to watch it, because this is the
Speaker 8: character that she signed up to do, and this is
Speaker 8: the character that got her all of these opportunities. However,
Speaker 8: in between the seasons, I think even she has come
Speaker 8: out and said that she wants to get away from
Speaker 8: being looked at as this type of actor, and she
Speaker 8: wanted to be taken more serious. And Sam Levison just
Speaker 8: came in and just completely just wiped all of that away.
Speaker 8: And it has to be tough because what is Cassie
Speaker 8: five years later? And maybe she could have had that
Speaker 8: conversation with Sam and instead of making Nate completely different,
Speaker 8: making maybe make Cassie completely different and changed her into
Speaker 8: somebody else five years later, so she can start to
Speaker 8: mature out of being this sort of set symbol for
Speaker 8: on this show, this dumb blonde.
Speaker 1: So it's really really weird.
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's yeah, that's yeah, I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm I'm, I'm split down the middle. It's it's tough,
Speaker 8: but it is definitely going backwards for her. You're fifty
Speaker 8: foot walking around with titties and all this stuff. You're
Speaker 8: doing all kind of crazy sexual things, you're in the
Speaker 8: in this sort of thing, and yeah, it's seems very demeaning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she started off with the foot fetish thing,
Speaker 3: and we saw a lot of that this episode. That's
Speaker 3: what she started off with.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I remember she she did make some statements,
Speaker 7: but it didn't seem like her statements were lining up
Speaker 7: with the stuff that she was doing.
Speaker 3: It's like she just said it but didn't really follow that.
Speaker 1: And movie or whatever we watched that.
Speaker 5: Even that, she still was kind of you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, You still can kind of see her
Speaker 3: and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, Mike, of course, I want to get your
Speaker 4: overall thoughts on how we started this episode, but specifically
Speaker 4: as we listen more to New Rules Narration, like we
Speaker 4: find out that Maddie is going into overtime with like
Speaker 4: trying to put her on the biggest platform, create more
Speaker 4: content for others to pay for and care about.
Speaker 2: Did you like the way that she was also showcasing
Speaker 2: how she was using.
Speaker 4: Cassie when it comes to like media outlets, podcast media
Speaker 4: and the stuff she was saying, like it was just
Speaker 4: kind of like she was creating her Internet personality like
Speaker 4: in real time and seeing that.
Speaker 1: Before I jump.
Speaker 4: Into that, Nick, can I can I comment real quick
Speaker 4: about the Sydney sweeth part.
Speaker 2: I just want to point out I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't agree with Spike very often, but I completely
Speaker 4: agree with Spike when Spike said the show is better
Speaker 4: than this. The show is better than this, Like, yes,
Speaker 4: it's always been sexual, it's not been ridiculously stupid and goofy.
Speaker 4: And this came off like remember that show, The Man
Speaker 4: Show from back in the day with it came off
Speaker 4: like that kind of humor. Yep, Like this wasn't clever,
Speaker 4: it wasn't interesting, it was just stupid. I'm a big,
Speaker 4: humongous woman with big titties and I'm busting through a
Speaker 4: window while some dudes jerking off.
Speaker 2: It's just like, this is stupid. This is really, really
Speaker 2: really stupid.
Speaker 4: It came off very very lowbrow, and the show is
Speaker 4: not typically lowbrow, So I agree with Spike, the show is.
Speaker 2: Typically better than this.
Speaker 4: I also, I guess I understand rod and Ken's point
Speaker 4: of her committing to it, but I don't know what
Speaker 4: not committing to it looks like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like just not doing it, because like she could say
Speaker 4: no and she hasn't. I guess, so I guess, yes,
Speaker 4: she's completely fine with this. I'm okay with the sexual
Speaker 4: nature of the show. I always have been, and I
Speaker 4: feel like it's weird that people are complaining about the
Speaker 4: sexual nature now three three seasons in. I just thought
Speaker 4: the way this episode opened up was just fucking corny
Speaker 4: and stupid and laying and low brow.
Speaker 2: As far as cass Maddie, Yeah, I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: I think that it's cool that that I'm actually thinking
Speaker 4: it's cool that I am probably wrong. I thought Cassie
Speaker 4: and Maddie, I thought the whole thing was fake. I
Speaker 4: thought Maddie was not interested in the friendship. But it
Speaker 4: looks like Maddie is actually interested in being cool with
Speaker 4: her again, So I was wrong about that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think this their dynamic is actually interesting. I just
Speaker 4: kind of wish the writing was better to where it
Speaker 4: actually made more sense. Speaking of the Cassie Maddie relationship,
Speaker 4: I love that Mike touched on the fact of like,
Speaker 4: of course, down the line, and I think we could
Speaker 4: just talk about the whole Cassie Nate Maddie stuff now
Speaker 4: because we got other stuff we will get to. But
Speaker 4: down the line that we see that Maddie has accepted
Speaker 4: certain things about her friendship dynamics with even just different people.
Speaker 4: I think she was actually able to talk about a
Speaker 4: lot of people in this episode, Nate, did you get
Speaker 4: that as well as far as like how she puts
Speaker 4: people in Like once she figures you out as a friend,
Speaker 4: she knows how to use you and she knows how
Speaker 4: to interact with you. Because I see that with Cassie
Speaker 4: when it comes with the whole contract situation with Brandon,
Speaker 4: and like that's influence her house and her being an
Speaker 4: official manager and stuff.
Speaker 9: I think, And I think the conversation that she was
Speaker 9: having with Rude at the diner, it was kind of
Speaker 9: poignant to the turn that she's made. I just think
Speaker 9: she accepts people for who they are right she.
Speaker 6: I think that there is a level of a bit
Speaker 6: of care that she still had for Maddie because as
Speaker 6: they were best friends in high school, she's betrayed by her.
Speaker 9: She understands that that Cassie.
Speaker 6: Is going to do whatever she can to get whatever
Speaker 6: attention she wants because that's who she's always been and
Speaker 6: she's going to utilize that to her advantage.
Speaker 9: I think that she's just learned to accept and take
Speaker 9: almost like take the.
Speaker 6: Emotion out of it, which Matt Maddie from high school,
Speaker 6: like she will pop off, right, she was emotional. I
Speaker 6: think that she's learned how to take the emotion out
Speaker 6: of it except people for who they are and just
Speaker 6: use that to her advantage and whatever capacity that happens
Speaker 6: to be. Like she says she's reached a place of harmony,
Speaker 6: so yeah, I think she can acknowledge it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I care about the girl. I don't want nothing
Speaker 9: bad to happen to her. I don't think she really
Speaker 9: cares too much about the marriage because of the history there.
Speaker 9: But I don't want nothing like too too bad to
Speaker 9: happen to you.
Speaker 6: But I also know you're stupid enough to let stuff
Speaker 6: happen to you, so I have to protect myself in
Speaker 6: the intern right.
Speaker 7: That's why I don't think she's like truly a friend
Speaker 7: for real. I know, Mike, I don't know if I
Speaker 7: agree with Mike did. I don't know if that's what
Speaker 7: you're saying their friends like that, But no, I still think, okay, cool,
Speaker 7: So I still think there's still some something there. She's
Speaker 7: not a friend because even more from the way she's
Speaker 7: had her sign that contract, that didn't seem like a
Speaker 7: friendly exchange to me, Like that seemed like you were
Speaker 7: up to something she didn't even read it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Come back around somehow later, you know.
Speaker 7: But I'm kind of like with Nay that she she
Speaker 7: just takes the emotion out of it and knows how
Speaker 7: to just deal with her, which to me doesn't sound
Speaker 7: like a friend.
Speaker 2: Well, go ahead, Mike, I'm sorry, No, you're good.
Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna say, Rod, No, I'm definitely
Speaker 4: not saying that they're like best friend buddy buddy. It's
Speaker 4: just my My whole thing for the whole season so
Speaker 4: far has been that I thought, I thought Cassie are sorry.
Speaker 4: I thought Maddie was only doing this for revenge. I
Speaker 4: thought the whole time she was setting the whole thing
Speaker 4: in motion so she could fuck her over real quick.
Speaker 4: But this episode showed me that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I can't remember which one of y'all just said this,
Speaker 4: but they're not friends, but she doesn't want anything bad
Speaker 4: to happen to her necessarily.
Speaker 2: They're not like homies.
Speaker 4: She doesn't love her or anything like that, but I
Speaker 4: think she has a little bit of care for her.
Speaker 4: I thought before that she has zero care, that this
Speaker 4: was all just a long time, So that's what I meant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, That's what I figured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's so much that no, they're not friends,
Speaker 6: but I think that's because you can't be Cassie's friend
Speaker 6: because Cassie's too self centered. And I think she understands that,
Speaker 6: like she's as much of a friend as you can't
Speaker 6: be to Cassie because Cassie's already shown her the level
Speaker 6: of betrayal. She'll go to get the attention she desired. So,
Speaker 6: like I said, I know where I got to place you,
Speaker 6: and I can make a couple million off of you
Speaker 6: in the interim signed his contract because can't nobody really
Speaker 6: be your friend for.
Speaker 4: Him anyway, Louie, you always have a thought process when
Speaker 4: it comes to people with contracts and those situations. Were
Speaker 4: you surprised that it took Maddie this long to even
Speaker 4: present a contract to Cassie, especially when we see the
Speaker 4: other side of it.
Speaker 2: Cassie's trying to.
Speaker 4: Get lord away by Brandon, Who's like, look, I already
Speaker 4: got anything moving.
Speaker 2: You just got to get on the train.
Speaker 5: I think that Maddie was looking at this relationship is
Speaker 5: completely transactional. I don't think that she was trying to
Speaker 5: be her friend at all. I think that she knows
Speaker 5: that she can make money off of her, and she
Speaker 5: didn't feel like she was smart enough that if another
Speaker 5: contract came that she would consider it, because I do
Speaker 5: think that she looks at Maddie as a I think
Speaker 5: Cassie thinks Maddie as her friend. I don't think Maddie
Speaker 5: is in the least bit interested in trying to be
Speaker 5: friends with Cassie and the only reason that she's talking
Speaker 5: to her is because she's making the money from her.
Speaker 5: So with a contract now, I don't think that she
Speaker 5: even Maddie would have even thought about it, which is
Speaker 5: why she pulled the trick that she did when Cassie
Speaker 5: came to her about the contract and made the fake
Speaker 5: phone call. I think that it showed throughout this episode
Speaker 5: that Maddie is really She ain't really friends with none
Speaker 5: of them. She's a shark. She's trying to come up
Speaker 5: like and whatever she got to do to come up,
Speaker 5: she's going to do that. And if it manipulate your
Speaker 5: ex best friend in the doing porn, then yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna put you out there on the track.
Speaker 2: So you got to say to that name, No, I was.
Speaker 6: Gonna ask, do you think Maddie and Rue are really friends.
Speaker 6: But Maddie even said that, she said, I'm as close
Speaker 6: as you can be the room.
Speaker 9: So it's like she's surrounded by these people that she
Speaker 9: knows you can only really care about them to a.
Speaker 6: Certain extent, and so she's capitalizing off of the situations
Speaker 6: that these people bring to her.
Speaker 9: She ain't friends her somebody, So I agree with you,
Speaker 9: she's not.
Speaker 5: Really friends with anybody't friends.
Speaker 6: No, I don't think that's because she can't be a friend.
Speaker 6: I think that's because of the circle that she's in.
Speaker 5: I agree with you. I don't put it on Maddie.
Speaker 5: I just think that she actually I credit her because
Speaker 5: she's smartened up and she's using what's around her like
Speaker 5: she's the only that's one of the only stories. Well,
Speaker 5: that's one of the few story lines that I've liked
Speaker 5: for this episode. I think they did Maddie really well
Speaker 5: in all of her conversations and like what she did
Speaker 5: this episode. So I agree with you. I don't think
Speaker 5: it's because of her. I don't think she's a bad person.
Speaker 5: She deal with what she's been given to her.
Speaker 2: And did Mattie, I mean, did Cassie sign two contracts.
Speaker 8: She didn't give the other one to Brandy, I mean
Speaker 8: to Brandon, but she did sign it. Yeah, but she
Speaker 8: does never handed it over to him because I had
Speaker 8: wondered the same thing, because I thought it was too late.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 8: Do think they're friends. I think it's a complex friendship
Speaker 8: because of their their history, and I think they're trying
Speaker 8: to get to a spot to where they may rekindle
Speaker 8: what once was, but I don't think it'll ever get there.
Speaker 8: And you kind of hear it when they were having
Speaker 8: a conversation just about the personal life, and when she
Speaker 8: was talking about Nate and what Nate's going on, and
Speaker 8: Nate is using her because he has the debt that
Speaker 8: he got to get in.
Speaker 1: So it sounded like she was trying to give her
Speaker 1: advice on that situation that was going on.
Speaker 8: And you know, of course Cassie didn't want to really,
Speaker 8: she wanted to do business, but well, Maddie was doing business.
Speaker 8: Cassie was having difficulty doing business because she viewed Maddie
Speaker 8: as her friend and that's why she wasn't able to
Speaker 8: do that. But like Brandon told us that, you know,
Speaker 8: this is business, this isn't personal, and there's a they
Speaker 8: weren't able to. Cassie wasn't able to separate that, and
Speaker 8: Maddie did what she should have did the first go round.
Speaker 8: But Cassie was the one that reached out to Maddie
Speaker 8: about managing her and helping her propel her career, not
Speaker 8: the other way around. So that's true. I think she
Speaker 8: is taking advantage of an opportunity that came to her,
Speaker 8: but she was also really good at it, and she
Speaker 8: knows she has that ability and that skill set, so
Speaker 8: she finally hasd somebody to do with it, and now
Speaker 8: she's turning into what may be a profitable business.
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Speaker 10: want to you brought up something as far as I
Speaker 10: think you may have said something about Maddie and Cassie
Speaker 10: and how Maddie maybe looking out for him in some
Speaker 10: way because or I heard it from someone else.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to ask you because Maddie mentions how
Speaker 4: like Cassie donated or sent Nate thirty five K and
Speaker 4: she was like, why are you doing this this nigga?
Speaker 2: Is he ain't shit? She said, he's not a bread winner,
Speaker 2: He's a bread loser.
Speaker 6: And I know that.
Speaker 4: Obviously Cassie clearly still has uh she's still married, and
Speaker 4: she still has a tie to Nate, but obviously she's
Speaker 4: moving in a different direction. Do you feel that Maddie
Speaker 4: is doing this also to egg on their divorce upcoming
Speaker 4: divorce or is she legit given like good friend advice
Speaker 4: and Cassie she kind of listened.
Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of both. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm with Nay. I think I think
Speaker 3: she don't really care about the marriage.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I think she had her moment of her or
Speaker 7: whatnot and if if anything was gonna happen, and what
Speaker 7: it happened by then, I think I think this is
Speaker 7: very solely just her looking out for her investment, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. I think that that will ultimately
Speaker 7: affect her and what's going on with her, which would
Speaker 7: then in turn affect her money as well. So she's
Speaker 7: trying to put her in the best position to be
Speaker 7: as successful as she possibly can be, because he'll be
Speaker 7: just as as successful as she will. I think that's
Speaker 7: all it is.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised that Nate is backing up Cassie's career now.
Speaker 1: No a nigga about it.
Speaker 3: I mean the threast that he's getting, He's trying to
Speaker 3: get it however he can. He's trying to.
Speaker 7: Get it however he can't, even if it means pipping
Speaker 7: out my wife, which is a crazy storyline for him.
Speaker 3: Like, man, this is really really crazy what they're doing
Speaker 3: with Nate.
Speaker 9: He can't sell that Graceland ass house.
Speaker 8: He got.
Speaker 6: Talked to send her your wife the only fans before
Speaker 6: you sell that that glass house.
Speaker 11: That you live in.
Speaker 2: He got blood on it?
Speaker 1: Where clean the carpet?
Speaker 2: He got blood on it again?
Speaker 4: Because Mike, what was your thoughts on this episode? Because
Speaker 4: he didn't get a lot of screen time. Really, he
Speaker 4: didn't need he didn't scream time. That was real, Cordy,
Speaker 4: I hated Nate this whole episode. This was pissing. Huh
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I was thinking the same thing, like did
Speaker 4: he fuck Sam Levinson's girl or something?
Speaker 2: Because why is he doing this?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 1: This was.
Speaker 2: From the second Nate showed up.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I'm irritated, Like I get what
Speaker 4: Rod is saying that he's just trying to get money
Speaker 4: or whatever, but I'm also one hundred percent with Nay,
Speaker 4: you can't do anything else aside from pimping your own
Speaker 4: wife out. I guess they're trying to portray the idea
Speaker 4: that like, Okay, we know he doesn't really care about her,
Speaker 4: but we also know that Nate is very possessive. What's
Speaker 4: mine is mine, So him just being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you should totally do some sexual stuff with Brandon,
Speaker 4: no problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah you should totally move in his house. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's like, make get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: But the fact that he got the money and then
Speaker 4: we're doing this whole thing all over again with the
Speaker 4: mobster guy pulling the toe off again, It's like, bro,
Speaker 4: we already saw this and then you're cutting his finger off.
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, we already saw this, like do something new.
Speaker 4: It was just it was just whack bro, Like Nate
Speaker 4: over there running.
Speaker 2: And hiding in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Not man.
Speaker 2: I was shocked because I thought he had like a
Speaker 2: gun in there. He was trying to like or like
Speaker 2: he would finally like buck up because he's a big dude.
Speaker 2: He's like six something, like you should be able to
Speaker 2: at least scrap.
Speaker 3: But he was a star football player.
Speaker 1: He was the star.
Speaker 3: He was the guy. Like, like, man, this this storyline
Speaker 3: is crazy, like like for real.
Speaker 7: But I wonder if people are I haven't read any
Speaker 7: re used anything I want to people are liking the
Speaker 7: fact that he's kind of getting his getting his just
Speaker 7: dude for being such a horrible person throughout the other season.
Speaker 3: So but it just seems like a lot though, like
Speaker 3: like it's like it's like enough is enough, Like geez okay,
Speaker 3: we get it.
Speaker 1: We get it.
Speaker 3: Like like you know, if you hated him like that,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 9: Feel like retribution doesn't It would be different if he
Speaker 9: was still being Nate and got his just deserves. It's
Speaker 9: like you completely changed his character so much, to the
Speaker 9: point where the audience doesn't even like, like, I'm not
Speaker 9: even happy that he's getting his ass beat Like it's
Speaker 9: just so weird what they're doing.
Speaker 4: With him, and I wonder, Oh sorry, man, I was
Speaker 4: just saying, like, real quick, I'm wondering why he's not paying,
Speaker 4: like he got the bread.
Speaker 3: Late, he was paying late or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he missed the last pain, last over late, the
Speaker 2: last paper.
Speaker 5: She said, just said over.
Speaker 4: I don't think he has the bread. I don't think
Speaker 4: he has any money. That's what it seems like. It
Speaker 4: seems like he's broke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I I just wanted to point.
Speaker 4: Out real fast, Nick, But yeah, I agree with Nay again.
Speaker 4: Like when Nate got beat down by Fez, it was
Speaker 4: like the entire euphoria audience was like, yes, right, But
Speaker 4: now it's like they're trying to make him some kind
Speaker 4: of sympathetic character. He's still a scumbag, but it's almost
Speaker 4: like they're trying to make us feel a little bit
Speaker 4: bad for him.
Speaker 2: So it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't get any pleasure from watching a
Speaker 4: cup get beat up, Like this isn't enjoyable, so I
Speaker 4: don't really understand what they're doing with his character right now,
Speaker 4: and then, Lou I want to talk to you real
Speaker 4: quick because I'm trying to I think you understand what
Speaker 4: I mean with this. Like obviously, in the beginning of
Speaker 4: this season, Nate was looked at as a bread winner
Speaker 4: and Cassie was like, I asked for all the things,
Speaker 4: I get the things I want. Now the roles have
Speaker 4: reversed where Cassie's out doing the work and Nate's at
Speaker 4: home just you know, trying to spend the money.
Speaker 2: Is this also a way of talking about what it's
Speaker 2: like to be like a.
Speaker 4: Working woman in twenty twenty six when you being a
Speaker 4: bread winner and you got an eight shit, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like trying to show that perspective, to
Speaker 4: really demasculate Nick Nate in a way that like, again,
Speaker 4: he's not getting what he wants and it's in the
Speaker 4: even though he bought into all this till now, he
Speaker 4: buys into it because he needed to make a living.
Speaker 4: I do understand what you're saying. I think there is
Speaker 4: something there as to what they're saying about men like Nate.
Speaker 4: I do think that Sam Levison is definitely trying to
Speaker 4: say something with how he presenting the main man characters
Speaker 4: in this show when they look like Nate. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot there in the sense
Speaker 4: of her being the bread whin her him being the cook,
Speaker 4: the stuff we see happening to him. Like Mike said,
Speaker 4: I didn't need to see him get his sminger cut
Speaker 4: off again.
Speaker 5: It's like, we get it.
Speaker 1: We get it.
Speaker 5: The thing that I did wonder about and the only
Speaker 5: thing that interests me because I did say this earlier.
Speaker 5: In the sense nobody dies here, I don't see him
Speaker 5: being able to go anywhere else, Like I don't see
Speaker 5: him like that. I'm assuming that this season will probably
Speaker 5: end in death for that character. I don't see what
Speaker 5: else they could do. We've seen it all till Mike's point, like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to see him suffer again, and we
Speaker 5: already hate him, so I don't want to see him
Speaker 5: up either. So where do you go from this other
Speaker 5: than death? So I think that that's what they send
Speaker 5: it up for us for him, he's by piece because
Speaker 5: it probably won't even have to do with this. It
Speaker 5: probably will be something if this show does have any
Speaker 5: of its own soul left, it probably would be something
Speaker 5: that we totally didn't think of. He'll die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, Kate, what did you think about Nate?
Speaker 1: It would probably have to be.
Speaker 8: By this It's the only reasonable path left. His actions
Speaker 8: make sense because he doesn't have it. The one person
Speaker 8: that has it or that's getting it is Cassie. Nate
Speaker 8: is or has been selfish. I guess he still is
Speaker 8: somewhat selfish, but he's desperate, he's broken, and he has
Speaker 8: no other option.
Speaker 1: This man was on his knees begging a stranger for
Speaker 1: some sort of relief.
Speaker 8: So if Cassie don't get out there and do all
Speaker 8: this stuff and send him thirty thousand dollars to what
Speaker 8: he hoped helped save another body part, then he would
Speaker 8: absolutely do it. Now, the thing that has happened to
Speaker 8: him is that he's just completely spiraling out of control,
Speaker 8: and they didn't spend enough time kind of showing like
Speaker 8: maybe the effects of him demeaning himself to those people
Speaker 8: and what that did to him emotionally to the point
Speaker 8: where he's just sitting around the house just drinking and
Speaker 8: just wasting away. And that's why he's just going to
Speaker 8: be out there there pivoting her out. But Yeah, that's
Speaker 8: that's what I think about Nate.
Speaker 1: But I don't. It doesn't bother me as much as
Speaker 1: it does other folks. I think I just kind of.
Speaker 8: It was just like it's five years later and I
Speaker 8: just kind of went along with I guess what I
Speaker 8: guess this new version of the character is. I think
Speaker 8: it would have been helpful the show maybe haven't discussed it,
Speaker 8: you know, every episode of why he.
Speaker 1: Sort of morph into this new guy? And I think
Speaker 1: that maybe and the issue that people feel it is
Speaker 1: like what happened? And why how do we get to
Speaker 1: this guy?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: What's the reason he just popped up on seeing he
Speaker 1: was like, this ain't the guy I once knew quickly.
Speaker 4: We also see again going back to Cassie, that her
Speaker 4: professional career is starting to take off to where she's
Speaker 4: now getting TV roles, and we see Lexi was able
Speaker 4: to get her an audition tape, being forced by Maddie,
Speaker 4: of course, but she did it for her sister anyway.
Speaker 2: Nay, did you like her audition tape?
Speaker 9: Who on Lexi? She just wanted to get away from
Speaker 9: this girl and she just can't do it, Like she.
Speaker 6: Just wants to carve out her own little niche in life,
Speaker 6: and here come her sister, just encroaching on her independence.
Speaker 6: I felt so bad for Lexi this episode, but I
Speaker 6: kind of liked her audition tape.
Speaker 9: Was that supposed to be good?
Speaker 2: Like, I was like, look at her.
Speaker 9: She actually kind of acting a little bit. Don't go ahead, and.
Speaker 2: She threw me off with the Shakespeare. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I expect that speare anybody.
Speaker 1: What you think of?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 2: What do you think of that tape? Roight?
Speaker 7: No? I was trying to figure out what they were
Speaker 7: doing here, but I thought it was interesting how you
Speaker 7: know they took It's just totally unexpected. You're just just like,
Speaker 7: oh wait, she just broke out in Shakespearean form, like
Speaker 7: what the hell just happened?
Speaker 3: So, I don't know, I feel like they're still trolling us.
Speaker 3: Whoever said that before? Like that controlled like it's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, she's this Benbo girl or whatever.
Speaker 7: But then she breaks out into like Shakespeare acting like
Speaker 7: that's that's yeah, again, just trolling us.
Speaker 5: Loud.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is gonna lead to anything?
Speaker 5: I don't know how much. Yeah, I mean maybe she
Speaker 5: gets another episode or something like that, Like I don't
Speaker 5: know how far it'll lead her into Hollywood, or maybe
Speaker 5: we see her get lucky like she had throughout this
Speaker 5: whole series and it leaves to so big. I could
Speaker 5: see that, But I do think as far as the
Speaker 5: Shakespeare and tape Rey, like Roger, they were trolling, like
Speaker 5: I think that this is a conversation that she does having.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna act as goofy and bimbowish and put on
Speaker 5: this blonde wig character, and you have to show at
Speaker 5: least one scene or some point in this series where
Speaker 5: I can really show my acting chops. Because she bodied it.
Speaker 5: She did a really good job right here, and I
Speaker 5: was surprised, and I was like, maybe she acting that
Speaker 5: dumb and the rest of it, so she like this
Speaker 5: will stand out, because it really did stand out. Like
Speaker 5: what Nate said, I'm looked at it. I'm like, all right, damn,
Speaker 5: I ain't no Sydney Sweeney had that bag right there.
Speaker 5: It was It felt like a different show for a second.
Speaker 5: So I think she did a really good job with this,
Speaker 5: and I think a conversation was had where she had
Speaker 5: to get this in here because of how she's acting
Speaker 5: and how we said she's acted throughout this whole series
Speaker 5: mostly this episode, right, Did you.
Speaker 2: Like the audition tape?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was good.
Speaker 4: But while y'all were talking, I was trying to think back.
Speaker 4: I thought they had said that she was an actress
Speaker 4: when she was like a kid or something. Didn't they
Speaker 4: say that in one of the previous seasons that she
Speaker 4: had Like.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: Didn't they say in one of the previous seasons that
Speaker 4: she was like an actor when she was an actress
Speaker 4: when she was younger, like she had been in plays
Speaker 4: or something, Because.
Speaker 5: I don't think it was her sister for not putting
Speaker 5: her into play, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive they said something in either season one
Speaker 4: or season two that implied that she was like that she.
Speaker 2: Grew up doing theater or something like that. So this
Speaker 2: didn't really seem off to me.
Speaker 4: As far as Sidney Sweeney herself, I do think Sidney
Speaker 4: Sweeney is a good actress. I just think she's a
Speaker 4: shithead of a person. So her doing a really good
Speaker 4: job at Shakespeare, I was like, yeah, it makes sense,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought this scene was cool. Do you
Speaker 4: think that Lexi's friends and family are gonna get her fired?
Speaker 4: She working on her Lexi's friends and family gonna get
Speaker 4: her fired. I mean to like the things like like
Speaker 4: the reputation that she built up because even it was
Speaker 4: acknowledging Cassie's audition when they were like, oh yeah, we
Speaker 4: love Lexi. Like, I feel like if she keeps sucking
Speaker 4: up based off the connection she's has bringing in, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be like, all right, we gotta.
Speaker 5: Let you go.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 4: I don't know which one of them is gonna be
Speaker 4: that gets her eyes fired. But Lexi needs to start
Speaker 4: speaking up at some point or she's just gonna lose
Speaker 4: everything she's worked for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Maddie had a little too much power to get
Speaker 5: this playoff. I ain't even like this. This was real
Speaker 5: convenient from her fake in the phone call with Cassie,
Speaker 5: like having it on Dick when she had the other
Speaker 5: contract that she signed and she's like, oh, I think
Speaker 5: let me I got you a booking like she thought
Speaker 5: of it quick. And then she goes to talk to
Speaker 5: her about the getting her book for the audition, It's like,
Speaker 5: do you really want to be an enemy of mine? Like,
Speaker 5: do you really got that much more power?
Speaker 3: She over Lexi?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah she would. Lexie's a chunk.
Speaker 5: I could see what Maddie could make life hard for
Speaker 5: but it just took me a hard time to believe
Speaker 5: that that's that's the play. Like, I feel like they
Speaker 5: rushed that. I feel like that that was really rushed
Speaker 5: that whole it could have been flushed out a little
Speaker 5: bit more.
Speaker 2: I thought it made sense. I think Lexi is gonna
Speaker 2: do whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Maddie is gonna do whatever Maddie has to
Speaker 4: do to get what Maddie wants. And the second she
Speaker 4: thought of that audition, she was like, Okay, fuck, how
Speaker 4: can I get this? You know, squared away Lexi and
Speaker 4: she knew she could punk Lexi into doing that.
Speaker 2: I get you, Spike.
Speaker 4: It was quick, but I kind of liked it because
Speaker 4: it shows that Maddie is the only motherfucker here that's
Speaker 4: quick on her feet that all times.
Speaker 5: That's a good point because that's what I liked on
Speaker 5: her with her about this episode, even with the latter
Speaker 5: saying that she was thinking, like, I could I could
Speaker 5: make this work.
Speaker 2: So moving on real quick, I want to talk about
Speaker 2: Jewles before we go with the ending uh story.
Speaker 4: The main storyline ken we see that Ruin Jules are
Speaker 4: still hanging out and this is the first time we
Speaker 4: see him hanging out since the wedding.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the conversation they had when
Speaker 2: Jules asked for Ru's body count?
Speaker 8: Well, one, I thought I thought Jules were playing too
Speaker 8: many damn games with the whole do you want to
Speaker 8: kiss me?
Speaker 5: Ship?
Speaker 1: Back and forth about this? What huh.
Speaker 2: Tell a girl, Hey girl, you want to kiss me,
Speaker 2: come take it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: She said you can take whatever you want.
Speaker 8: After that, I was like, well, damn juice, Okay, I
Speaker 8: guess that's consent. But she played these games bro like like, oh,
Speaker 8: do you want to kiss me?
Speaker 1: Welcome kiss me? Do you want to kiss me? All?
Speaker 1: You don't want to kiss me? On It's like what
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you doing? Why are we going
Speaker 1: back and forth like white playing like this? Just say?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It was annoying, but anyway, but nevertheless, the conversation that
Speaker 8: they had about the body count, it was interesting because
Speaker 8: I'm like, why are you all in and Roue's business
Speaker 8: like that, and uh, but I guess she's just trying
Speaker 8: to figure out where she mays it in this current
Speaker 8: situation right now with.
Speaker 1: Giving her situation as well.
Speaker 8: But you know, my thing is like, well, why you're
Speaker 8: worried about what does that have to do with you?
Speaker 8: But I didn't. I don't think I recalled that her
Speaker 8: and Andrew were like a real item, like that were they.
Speaker 6: Up a little bit? But I mean, yeah, clearly they
Speaker 6: I mean it has sex. They showed that. But and
Speaker 6: there was a connection. But like to say it was
Speaker 6: a relationship might have been a stretch. But like, let's
Speaker 6: look at the like, because Jules and Route wasn't really
Speaker 6: they were like a situationship, So it may have been
Speaker 6: as close to a relationship as Rue has gotten.
Speaker 9: This annoyed me. I got it, but it annoyed me.
Speaker 2: Why why did it annoy you?
Speaker 9: Kind of to Kid's.
Speaker 6: Point, it's like, stop playing, like, stop playing games, Like
Speaker 6: she she's playing games, but she's not right.
Speaker 9: I think that ultimately, Jules is calling out what has always.
Speaker 6: Been Jewels and Ruth's iss you, which is that Ruth
Speaker 6: does not make her feel like she really wants her.
Speaker 6: She's just around until Jules makes a move, if she
Speaker 6: makes a move, right, And when you think about the
Speaker 6: type of relationships that Jules is in with the other
Speaker 6: people that she's involved in, she's always kind of like dominated.
Speaker 6: So I think Jules was kind of saying like, I
Speaker 6: want you to dominate me like these other people, because
Speaker 6: there's something there.
Speaker 9: But I just don't don't. I don't care about the
Speaker 9: Rue Jewels romance anymore. Like I'm more interested in seeing
Speaker 9: how Jules deals with her the way people deal with
Speaker 9: her identity, than I am interested in the Jewels rule
Speaker 9: of it all. I don't care about their connection anymore.
Speaker 2: Mike, do you feel the same, mm hmm, No, I'm.
Speaker 4: Prior to this episode, I would have agreed, But I
Speaker 4: think this episode kind of showed why Jules acted the
Speaker 4: way she's acting, and I think that the way they
Speaker 4: did that cut kind of reinforced it. I think Jewles
Speaker 4: is just sick of being a side piece. Jules is
Speaker 4: tired of being like I think Jewels feels like nothing,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think when they when
Speaker 4: they when they cut to the guy, that that's fucking her.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the guy's name, Ellie. And when he
Speaker 4: says to her like, yeah, I like you, but I
Speaker 4: love my wife, I love my family, it made that
Speaker 4: cut make all the more sense because it went right
Speaker 4: from Jewels playing with Rue to us, almost thinking, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's them fucking now, but it's not. It's her getting
Speaker 4: used or exploited once again by this guy. And then
Speaker 4: she starts crying because she Why are y'all laughing.
Speaker 2: Anyway? Anyway? I think this is this is her. I
Speaker 2: forgot my train of thought, y'all some ignorant motherfuckers. Brou damn.
Speaker 2: I hate Spike block his whole square. I wasn't even.
Speaker 1: You laughing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot what I was saying. Nick, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: now you were saying this about.
Speaker 1: Though, Bro. It was mean as hell? What was mean? Though?
Speaker 4: He threw the drawers in the face. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: does not look like she takes showers off and probably stink.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: We see what she We see what Ru does every episode.
Speaker 4: She'd be a big slop in the basement with some
Speaker 4: fitting off fiends her. Yeah, Oh that's what I was
Speaker 4: gonna say. Yeah, because she cried after that after he
Speaker 4: said that ship to her. So I think that was
Speaker 4: her thinking about like I wish I had something like that,
Speaker 4: which is I think is why she's using Rue.
Speaker 2: I think Rue does still have feelings for jewels.
Speaker 4: Outside of I just find her attractive I think, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Rue has genuine emotional feelings for Jules, and
Speaker 4: that is probably the most relationship type relationship that both
Speaker 4: of them have ever had. They're both just used to
Speaker 4: just floating around doing whatever, you know.
Speaker 6: Which is why I don't want Jules to beat around
Speaker 6: the bush and ask and playing games.
Speaker 5: He was talking about me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that Spike's fault.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I that's why I want her to just be
Speaker 6: straightforward with them, because they they do have so much
Speaker 6: history and they both want connections.
Speaker 9: To just call a thing a thing. Stop playing games with.
Speaker 6: Rue because you know, like Ruth has a difficult time
Speaker 6: communicating that because she always has. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 6: think that's why it annoyed me, because ultimately, you want
Speaker 6: to admit that this is something, so just say it
Speaker 6: is something, just saying Jesus.
Speaker 2: Rob, what was your thoughts on they conversation between Ruin
Speaker 2: and Jules.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with what, like Ken said, it was
Speaker 3: just a little annoying, but I got it.
Speaker 1: I mean it just.
Speaker 3: I guess I guess it was the it was it
Speaker 3: was an okay.
Speaker 7: Band, I guess for the show, the dialogue and whatnot.
Speaker 7: I did like that it was kind of old school
Speaker 7: of them, kind of going back and forth to what
Speaker 7: we were.
Speaker 2: Used to seeing in in a sense.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just it just I don't know, it just
Speaker 3: it just ultimately just felt annoying and awkward.
Speaker 7: And then they cut to where you think it's them
Speaker 7: having sex, but then it's the guy and her having sex.
Speaker 3: So that was like a kind of like a abating
Speaker 3: abating switch situation. Because did y'all think that it was
Speaker 3: them too in it on versus? Yeah? Yeah, so it
Speaker 3: was like a baiting switch. So I think they did
Speaker 3: that to set up that scene like that.
Speaker 1: And then work.
Speaker 2: Tearing that ship up.
Speaker 5: Damn ju, she don't leave her drawers in the middle
Speaker 5: of her bathroom.
Speaker 2: Hey, Spike, you get it that good? Sometimes you just
Speaker 2: don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: She knows she loved without her draws, but can't he
Speaker 1: he was, Hey, my.
Speaker 2: Thing was he was upset. He was like, he was like, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
Speaker 12: No, like, you got these stinky draws, like you everybody
Speaker 12: things be in the middle.
Speaker 2: I did, That's what he was crying, like bo boxing,
Speaker 2: I can't never use these again.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: Like, like you said, she was crying because the draws
Speaker 2: her face up was upset, said God was like the farts.
Speaker 5: You face.
Speaker 11: Come on, disrespectful, especially if they stink, broing some dirty
Speaker 11: draws and somebody man and to say, I like you,
Speaker 11: I love.
Speaker 5: But he was he was keeping it really keeping like
Speaker 5: the situation that you have going on with Jules. I
Speaker 5: think that's his blunt and it's real as he can
Speaker 5: keep it to protect her and himself, Like, look, this
Speaker 5: is what this is. But you're gonna have somebody in here.
Speaker 5: They might get bright ideas and then this will turn
Speaker 5: in the old something else and I lose my family.
Speaker 5: Like you, you have to be careful, and you're not
Speaker 5: being careful if you got dirty draws in my bathroom.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, liked the.
Speaker 1: Wife and kids, and I can't go home with an STD.
Speaker 5: You wasn't even don't fund anybody else.
Speaker 2: Just like you need to be careful what you say. Name.
Speaker 6: I said, if you don't want to go home to
Speaker 6: the s CD and you love your wife and stop
Speaker 6: fucking other people.
Speaker 2: That's too logical.
Speaker 3: Name.
Speaker 2: You always try to bring that to these conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that this is just like pet toy or
Speaker 3: he's treated it like that.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's a fetish for him, and Jules knows that
Speaker 4: until then, Well, it didn't hit her until then. He
Speaker 4: was struffing that thing. She looks like one of them
Speaker 4: sausages from the gas station.
Speaker 2: Shew right there. She's like, that's what God like in
Speaker 2: the hospital, glove. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. That super crazy.
Speaker 5: Does you know what's up? Like, look at look what
Speaker 5: she live at.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, that's the cost of doing. But
Speaker 2: you've seen that if you ride.
Speaker 5: Like she's asking about bills, groceries, cable internet, none of that. Like,
Speaker 5: she's just living.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine.
Speaker 2: My she young lou, she don't know no better.
Speaker 4: That's true, right, come on, she might have lost them,
Speaker 4: like maybe threw them across who knows?
Speaker 9: Is that to insinuate that after that conversation her.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, yeah that's how I took it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Rue just stunk. And she told her you
Speaker 5: got to bathe for you.
Speaker 2: Your booty stink. You saw them she was sitting on
Speaker 2: the couch and how busted them Chucks looked. Chucks was dirty?
Speaker 2: Respectful for her to put them on the living room flow,
Speaker 2: I agree, take them off at the door.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta take them off the door.
Speaker 2: But her feet probably smell worse than their shoes. I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe maybe jewels like that musk.
Speaker 5: They always make Chinese good in Chinese take out?
Speaker 9: You going with that car?
Speaker 4: I was like, we're gonna say, were about to find
Speaker 4: out what lou fetish or cake? And I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, we'll see. We did we see, We're going
Speaker 4: to the main stage now. We didn't jump to Alamo
Speaker 4: at his crib going off Nate.
Speaker 2: At a BC was showing up bits and pieces in
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 4: We're trying to understand what well Big Eddie, after getting
Speaker 4: shot in his gut, would tell Laurie's crew where.
Speaker 2: The safe is at? What did you think of Alamo
Speaker 2: in this scene.
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about his whole episode in general, but
Speaker 4: what do you think about him in this scene and
Speaker 4: what he did to the little boy?
Speaker 9: I couldn't remember who called it, but somebody said.
Speaker 6: I think it was saying that like Spike and Ron
Speaker 6: one of y'all, what do y'all heard, niggas y'all was
Speaker 6: like this, why like like that that at BC was
Speaker 6: gonna have that reaction to Edie like he knew that
Speaker 6: that was like he basically sealed his faith by by
Speaker 6: opening that that.
Speaker 9: That's safe for him. I think that they are doing
Speaker 9: a really good job with this character.
Speaker 6: Alamo's layers is like because the minute you think like
Speaker 6: he reacts, and then he had the little boy piss
Speaker 6: himself and he flipping out about how water pants, and
Speaker 6: it's like he comes.
Speaker 9: Off as this real menace. And then the next scene
Speaker 9: he's playing jazz and talking softly and doing.
Speaker 6: Like like honorable business deals with Maddie. Like he is
Speaker 6: such a nuanced character.
Speaker 9: I really really like what they are doing with like
Speaker 9: they I just want an Alamo show.
Speaker 5: At this point, but.
Speaker 2: You didn't it.
Speaker 9: The Indians spit down. I'm like, I like the jazz.
Speaker 9: I like jazz.
Speaker 4: It was a slip sing over him with the white
Speaker 4: girl on the counch and he just playing like as
Speaker 4: he talking ship.
Speaker 5: In the trump He's just playing the trumpet. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: got a background music.
Speaker 4: I like to because I thought they I thought they
Speaker 4: had a scene where there was a record being played
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Somebody put a record on the final and I thought
Speaker 2: that was what he was hearing. But he over here
Speaker 2: with a half a glass of yat ride.
Speaker 4: Doing his best Miles Davis, What did you think about
Speaker 4: that logic though, because Marshawn and Bishop chimed in on
Speaker 4: it as far as.
Speaker 2: Like big Eddie, he like he was man, you know,
Speaker 2: rocking a hard place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it was true, true, true spit Like
Speaker 7: he was really just just saying, like I'm saying, I.
Speaker 5: Think Mike, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: my bad in your room.
Speaker 2: I'm fidgety. I'm fidgety this, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: mean myself.
Speaker 7: I like the realness that mar Shan brings to it.
Speaker 7: Like he was just like, look, I'm just saying I
Speaker 7: get what he did. I'm not saying I would have
Speaker 7: good exact same thing. I'm just saying that I get
Speaker 7: the mindset of what he did, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But but yeah, Alamo wasn't trying to hear that or whatnot.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was going back.
Speaker 7: To what we were saying last episode. But but nah, Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's I like, I like what the two characters bring
Speaker 7: to the show, Marshawan and Bishop. They bring like different
Speaker 7: type of logic to the situation, and I'm really surprised
Speaker 7: that well what Yeah, Alimo did go off on it.
Speaker 7: He's like, so what you're saying if you was in
Speaker 7: that position, did the same shit or like you know,
Speaker 7: so yeah both, but yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. He was
Speaker 7: just being irrational in that moment.
Speaker 5: But I think, like we were saying last episode, Rod,
Speaker 5: that's his expectation then, like they they're not realizing that,
Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, nigga, you have to take a shot
Speaker 5: to the gut before you open this safe. As a
Speaker 5: matter of fact, you have to die before you open
Speaker 5: this That's why I hired you. That's why you make
Speaker 5: the cyber money. That's that's why you hear So I
Speaker 5: agree with Nay in the sense of, like, this is
Speaker 5: the most interesting thing going on in this whole series.
Speaker 5: His character, the conversations that he have and how he
Speaker 5: reacts and stuff, Like I thought it was great. He's like,
Speaker 5: do I look five eight nigga, Like, like, how you
Speaker 5: even bring these like that was great? He played all
Speaker 5: of that fantastic, even in the scene with Maddie, the
Speaker 5: scene what he's having a conversation with Rue, Like all
Speaker 5: of everything he did he nailed at this episode and
Speaker 5: has been doing so for all of this series. Excuse me,
Speaker 5: all of this season, So I'm the most interested here
Speaker 5: and I think he is a complex character, as Nay
Speaker 5: was saying, and it's just a lot more intriguing. I
Speaker 5: don't know if it's because he's a new character or
Speaker 5: whatever it may be, but this is like reminds me
Speaker 5: of the euphoria that we were used to when we
Speaker 5: would be with someone like Fenn or something like that,
Speaker 5: and all the stuff that was going on in his world.
Speaker 5: This is like a higher elevated version of that. And
Speaker 5: it's just so good. And he's been the actor's body.
Speaker 5: Like that whole pant scene was great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ken, I wanted to get your thoughts on that
Speaker 4: because I knew you would find that interesting because to me,
Speaker 4: Alamo is like a trifecta of dangerous charming and a comedian,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And it's like every scene
Speaker 4: he kind of just steals, even if he's just doing
Speaker 4: something like sitting on the couch playing an instrument, like
Speaker 4: the pants scene, Like what was like, what did you
Speaker 4: think was gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen at that scene?
Speaker 8: I thought that he was so frustrated by what Eddie
Speaker 8: did that he was going to take it out on
Speaker 8: him and the pants scene, when he looked at himself
Speaker 8: in the mirror, he saw someone that looked like a fool,
Speaker 8: and that's what he was starting to like internalize. He
Speaker 8: was like, I do undid all this stuff out of
Speaker 8: how this guy he been with me for fifteen.
Speaker 1: Years and just like that he betrayed me.
Speaker 8: And you guys in here, as he called him, a
Speaker 8: bunch of judases are trying to rationalize that, and it
Speaker 8: doesn't make sense. And then on top of this, this
Speaker 8: other idiote brought me some pants that don't fit. So
Speaker 8: everything that's going on right now doesn't fit what I
Speaker 8: have built over the last fifteen years and all falling apart.
Speaker 8: You can't get my clothes right, This motherfucker can't keep
Speaker 8: the safe fucking clothes.
Speaker 1: Like nothing is is working, like this ship is off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it made sense.
Speaker 5: Kidding away, you explained that that was such a black
Speaker 5: moment that we had sometime where you be like everybody
Speaker 5: got me fucked up. All of y'all got me up,
Speaker 5: Like everybody vi sinity around me, all of y'all got
Speaker 5: me fucked up.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: It's the one time where it's like all sins are equal.
Speaker 1: It up.
Speaker 2: Everybody got me.
Speaker 4: If you shot me or stepped on my foot, you
Speaker 4: everybody else, I will treat you all the same way.
Speaker 2: That's what he did.
Speaker 1: And then it was a red pants, like a five
Speaker 1: line nigga from high Water.
Speaker 3: He was killing the ship him. Do I look like
Speaker 3: you like like it was just like it was. It
Speaker 3: was just a shame that he was giving man bro
Speaker 3: he was hot.
Speaker 1: Oh ship that was mike.
Speaker 4: Uh. I wanted to get your thoughts overall, of course,
Speaker 4: but specifically about what Alamo was playing the trump and
Speaker 4: he was talking to Rue and he was telling her
Speaker 4: like I just talked got off the phone with Laurie
Speaker 4: and she's trying to meet up link up. What did
Speaker 4: you think about that as far as like they still
Speaker 4: calling each other, like like you can still reach out
Speaker 4: to Like I thought it was war already. I thought
Speaker 4: you couldn't even I was surprised that he said that
Speaker 4: not only did we talk, but we agreed to meet up.
Speaker 2: Was this before the part where the girl brought the
Speaker 2: coke in the room?
Speaker 4: This was this was before this was before before that,
Speaker 4: It was before this, So yeah, the coke was after
Speaker 4: this scene?
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, never mind that I thought it was before.
Speaker 4: It, but now because remember Ue had to go back
Speaker 4: in the store and say, oh yeah, I forgot to
Speaker 4: tell y'all Kitty found a coke that I tried to
Speaker 4: plan on her. And then that's when the whole scene
Speaker 4: of like going to meet up with Maddie at the
Speaker 4: diner happened. Okay, all right, so yeah, so what did
Speaker 4: I sorry you asked, what did I think when this
Speaker 4: When she walked in the room, he was sitting around
Speaker 4: playing the trumpet, well specifically what he was saying, like,
Speaker 4: there's a meat now set up between me and Lord.
Speaker 4: I thought he was lying, but I just didn't know why.
Speaker 4: It didn't make any sense to me that he would
Speaker 4: have spoken to Laurie and had a meetup. So I
Speaker 4: just assumed he was lying for some weird reason.
Speaker 2: Because he was already mad.
Speaker 5: He's trying to see his root talking to the police.
Speaker 5: If you tell if you tell her that I got
Speaker 5: a meeting with Laurie and the police find out about it.
Speaker 5: He knows that she talking to the police.
Speaker 2: But why would he think that if this part was
Speaker 2: before the part this.
Speaker 6: Was after I did too, After the little hispanic broke
Speaker 6: met girl, Gates told him about the.
Speaker 9: Drugs and planet the scene in him like you can't trust.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your positive. From what I remember, it was it
Speaker 4: was after that, because that's okay. It was because because
Speaker 4: of that, that's how we got to the rule in
Speaker 4: the dirt ship, because to me.
Speaker 5: Was she snitched.
Speaker 6: He called her in to let her know about the
Speaker 6: meeting with Laurie, right, they poled her to the side,
Speaker 6: and then that's what or maybe you are right, because
Speaker 6: maybe that's when they showed up with the trucks.
Speaker 9: Maybe I do have a confuse.
Speaker 5: It was all though, Okay, yeah it was. I just
Speaker 5: pulled it up. So the scene with Rue at the
Speaker 5: diners right after, like Nick said, the coaxing, okay, and.
Speaker 2: The scene we're talking about now was before all the.
Speaker 5: Four gotch.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why I was throwing me off because
Speaker 4: I was like, why is he even setting this meet
Speaker 4: up with Ry?
Speaker 2: Why is he telling Rue about this?
Speaker 4: And to me also, what was standing out a lot
Speaker 4: with Rue in the scenes with Alimo on his cruise,
Speaker 4: like she was asking too many fucking questions or she
Speaker 4: kept questioning everything, and I was like, you not even.
Speaker 2: Breaking this up with like banter or anything. You just
Speaker 2: asked them, Well, why is this When are you about
Speaker 2: to meet up with her? What ch'all about?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: I was like, so, what's the answer, Nicky? Why was
Speaker 2: he doing that?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 4: I think he actually genuinely trusts Ruth up until the
Speaker 4: point of when Kitty got into the came in and
Speaker 4: said like, she's like she threw the coke on the table.
Speaker 4: Because remember, no one really explained exactly what happened. They
Speaker 4: were just focused on Big Eddie getting shot and the
Speaker 4: safe missing money, and now we got we know that
Speaker 4: Laurie's pnchmen were involved, but no one talked to Kitty
Speaker 4: and say, like because Alamo didn't even know she was
Speaker 4: in the room when he was like, this is all
Speaker 4: that really happened in the room before they busted in?
Speaker 4: What you should what we were supposed to tell you
Speaker 4: about Ruby and a snitch?
Speaker 2: But there wasn't.
Speaker 4: There wasn't really a meeting between Alamo and Laurie, right,
Speaker 4: he was making that up. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Why do y'all think he was making that up?
Speaker 2: I think there is a meet I just think that
Speaker 2: he didn't tell her what day or like when it
Speaker 2: was happening.
Speaker 9: There was they know that Faith.
Speaker 6: They know that Faith was the getaway driver, so that
Speaker 6: Laurie's crew is behind the robbery, and they know that
Speaker 6: Rue is the only one who knows what.
Speaker 9: Her house is like in the lair of her house.
Speaker 6: So I don't know if there was was he saying
Speaker 6: that they have a meeting or if he wants to
Speaker 6: meet her?
Speaker 4: He said thought he was saying there was a meetup
Speaker 4: already set up, So that's why I was confused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it said that he wanted she want to meet up.
Speaker 4: He was like, just got the phone with her and
Speaker 4: she want to link up, and he was like, that's
Speaker 4: when he was like, I feel like she wanted me
Speaker 4: to spread my cheeks, but she gonna spread words.
Speaker 2: I'm confused now, y'all.
Speaker 5: Hm hmm. He's geparating under the assumption that Laurie don't
Speaker 5: know this happened though, because remember we said last week
Speaker 5: they did this without her consent, So maybe she's talking
Speaker 5: to him and not knowing that this happened.
Speaker 4: But they have beef before that before the robbery thing
Speaker 4: happened without the pig and the and the bird and ship.
Speaker 2: She's still upset about that. She knows they killed the bird.
Speaker 5: Okay, but he still got about drugs.
Speaker 2: She's not she's drugs from him after after he killed her.
Speaker 2: Bird not my mama. Bird ain't no way.
Speaker 8: I think business may supersede all that though, ben Uh
Speaker 8: still trying to talk.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know about the bird thing. That bird
Speaker 2: was her best friend.
Speaker 1: It was well Rob.
Speaker 4: What we do know is that Rue, based off of
Speaker 4: what Alamo told her, went back to the.
Speaker 2: DA and now they want to be in on that
Speaker 2: meeting as well, get a wire or something.
Speaker 4: And then we see that Rue was starting to make
Speaker 4: phone calls to make that happen and going out, basically
Speaker 4: going out of pocket. Do you think it was a
Speaker 4: mistake for her to call Laurie and Wayne back to back?
Speaker 2: Wayne, the god fucking faith your fa the Nazi guy,
Speaker 2: the Nazi?
Speaker 3: What are you ask me?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 4: What was a mistake for her to call Lourie and
Speaker 4: Wayne back to back, especially after we've Alamo just told
Speaker 4: her about the whole meeting and then she told her
Speaker 4: DA and it not only does she call Lourie, but
Speaker 4: she called Wayne like I'm thinking, like, in my mind,
Speaker 4: they're gonna bring that up in the meeting.
Speaker 2: Somehow, somebody is gonna get brought up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't tie like that because it didn't seem like
Speaker 7: the Wayne guy was. I mean, I don't know why
Speaker 7: he would bring it up, just like it just seemed
Speaker 7: like she.
Speaker 3: Was trying to get a job back. He's just like,
Speaker 3: are you too late for that? So I don't understand,
Speaker 3: like how why that would come up in a meeting later.
Speaker 3: I think that was just to I think that was
Speaker 3: just to get the DNA the information that they needed.
Speaker 9: It ultimately words right like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said that doesn't.
Speaker 9: And I shouldn't think.
Speaker 6: It was suspicious for her to call the guy back
Speaker 6: because of the way Laurie got off this.
Speaker 9: Like hung up on her. So I don't know. The
Speaker 9: order of that didn't seem sketchy.
Speaker 6: It just felt like kind of pissed for writing, because like,
Speaker 6: so is the is the cops situation?
Speaker 9: Is the snitch situation.
Speaker 1: Over m H?
Speaker 5: Why you say that?
Speaker 9: Because they essentially.
Speaker 6: Needed her to be able to get something on Laurie's
Speaker 6: crew to incriminate them. The guy answered the phone and
Speaker 6: admitted that Rue was a drug mule for them, so
Speaker 6: he corroborated the pictures that they had of her. So
Speaker 6: does that mean that she's fulfilled her obligation and they
Speaker 6: can arrest Laurie and now be done.
Speaker 4: That would probably work for someone that has some sense,
Speaker 4: but for someone like Rue that doesn't know any better,
Speaker 4: they can keep using her whenever they feel like.
Speaker 5: So that's what a compidential informant is. Though, like once
Speaker 5: you are like, they always can bring right everybody fulfillment
Speaker 5: of your obligations. Once they have the charges on you,
Speaker 5: they can always come back and say, I'm gonna charge
Speaker 5: you with this if you don't do what I What
Speaker 5: I say now I went back to the scene with
Speaker 5: the guy on RUD looks like what we said last
Speaker 5: week she did. Laurie didn't know her crew did this.
Speaker 5: Right when she found out, she called him and offered, Well,
Speaker 5: she ain't make the offer, but he thinks she trying
Speaker 5: to get the money back because in the scene he
Speaker 5: says the rule where would she probably be keeping my money?
Speaker 5: And Rue says in the basement. So that's what the
Speaker 5: call was about with them too, that we were stumped about.
Speaker 5: So that's why they were even talking because she probably
Speaker 5: found out that these assholes went out and done that
Speaker 5: in her name, and now she calling him even though
Speaker 5: they beef and being like, well, I didn't want to
Speaker 5: go that far. They did this without my knowing. Let's
Speaker 5: meet m That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I don't feel like, why would you write like
Speaker 2: they like.
Speaker 5: He Robin is different in the drug world, or like
Speaker 5: when you get to robbing each other, like it's something
Speaker 5: like that. I don't think she wanted to take his money.
Speaker 5: You killed my birds, like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You never loved the animal like that.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know, you like killing
Speaker 2: somebody child to them.
Speaker 5: Laurie, don't see me as a type that would want
Speaker 5: them to go do that without her knowing that. That's
Speaker 5: why she may have called.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how much I agree that after
Speaker 4: they came to her house and killed her bird in
Speaker 4: her house, and then her her henchman went and did
Speaker 4: this whatever Jack move. I just don't know how much
Speaker 4: it makes sense for her to then call Alamo and
Speaker 4: try to like make because.
Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think that satisfies the requirement
Speaker 5: for her. Because even in the scene when he said
Speaker 5: she called, he said, I think she's gonna try to
Speaker 5: fuck me. They're going to rob him.
Speaker 1: That don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think the burd meant so much to her.
Speaker 5: I don't think that that money means anything. She wants
Speaker 5: something more. So I think that's the reason for the
Speaker 5: phone call, like, no, you killed, give you about your
Speaker 5: money back, but you still God, I can do this,
Speaker 5: And that's what he was apprehensive of when now I
Speaker 5: was like, well yeah, he was like, she gonna try
Speaker 5: to fuck me, and he was like, well, you're not
Speaker 5: going for that.
Speaker 2: So I think she's like, Nah, that little.
Speaker 5: That little robbery, we can squash that because I got
Speaker 5: more in plan for you got it?
Speaker 2: Does anybody know why? Bishop?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: Who that motherfucker? He was about to cut up in
Speaker 2: the bathroom? Security guard?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: I who that was?
Speaker 1: At first?
Speaker 5: I think it's to be cut up he did. I agree,
Speaker 5: But that's like, yeah, I get here.
Speaker 2: You gotta kill him. Damn you gotta chop them up.
Speaker 5: Shoot me, you got to put the body somewhere. Shoot you,
Speaker 5: you gotta cut you up. But that's part of the
Speaker 5: trope that I didn't like because they're playing and it's
Speaker 5: like he's doing and suiting up. It was funny. I
Speaker 5: enjoyed the scene, but they were trying to make it
Speaker 5: act like he wish to do something to rule, and
Speaker 5: I just knew that it wasn't, So there was no
Speaker 5: suspense there.
Speaker 3: I think it's more so for her not us.
Speaker 5: Mmm. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: She could lose a fingers fight.
Speaker 5: You're putting off and you're putting all that on this
Speaker 5: mold and the finger like.
Speaker 9: He he is killing I think I agree.
Speaker 6: As an audience, we know that he's probably not doing
Speaker 6: it for rue, but then for me, it's playing into
Speaker 6: the whole idea.
Speaker 9: How much does Alamo and his crew actually suspect her?
Speaker 9: So it's like they're messing with her mind at this point.
Speaker 9: So I wasn't.
Speaker 6: I wasn't, even though, Yeah, this whole snitching trope annoys me,
Speaker 6: and the suspense of it is annoying because it's.
Speaker 9: Kind of cliche.
Speaker 6: But like I said, I think last week they do
Speaker 6: it well enough with this particular group of actors and
Speaker 6: this particular group of characters.
Speaker 9: But it's still kind of enjoyable. Even with like the
Speaker 9: way the episode ended, I'm still kind of like interested.
Speaker 1: Can for me.
Speaker 4: Once we once the whole we talked about the kiddie
Speaker 4: scene and how Alimo was like, Okay, now I really
Speaker 4: got a lead on on what's going on with Ruth.
Speaker 2: He pulled up to her favorite diner with Maddie and.
Speaker 4: It was and this is a scene that I didn't expect,
Speaker 4: like me enjoying as much as I like, I thought
Speaker 4: I would like seeing Alamo sit with Rue and Maddie
Speaker 4: and be so dangerous, but then the nigga actually just
Speaker 4: like just talking to him like a regular guy, like
Speaker 4: it's it was brilliant, Like I didn't know what was
Speaker 4: about to happen. I didn't know he was gonna cut
Speaker 4: the throat or ask Maddy out on a date. He
Speaker 4: could have done both.
Speaker 5: This is the best the episode to me, This was
Speaker 5: really good.
Speaker 1: It was I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 8: And I love the way he walked in with the boots,
Speaker 8: very westernike, you know, at the big the belt and stuff,
Speaker 8: before he even showed who he was, and he was
Speaker 8: just extremely like disarmed me. And I was wondering because
Speaker 8: because I know, like after they had the whole conversation
Speaker 8: about you know, who each other were, you know, when
Speaker 8: when he told that they would give them a drive back,
Speaker 8: and was like, oh, don't you have somewhere to go?
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah blah, And Maddy was like, no,
Speaker 8: I'm good, And I'm like, well, did Maddie like pick
Speaker 8: up the clues that trying to put down or.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I think she did give a fuck. Really,
Speaker 5: I thought she picked up on all of it. I
Speaker 5: thought they did a great job of showing how smart
Speaker 5: Maddie has become versus all of her peers. Like we
Speaker 5: talked about earlier, she was picking up on it. She
Speaker 5: was just like, nah, let me see, it might be
Speaker 5: something here.
Speaker 4: So here's where I disagree, because I feel like every
Speaker 4: single character we interacted with this season, at least the
Speaker 4: main ones, they're all have one thing in common to
Speaker 4: a slight degree, is that they're all naive in some way.
Speaker 4: Nate is naive about how the mob life really don't
Speaker 4: treat you. Maddie's naive about being an influencer. Maddie's naive about.
Speaker 2: Who you're really doing business with.
Speaker 4: When you say I'm gonna do business with anybody trying
Speaker 4: to get money, I don't know if you really want
Speaker 4: to do business with anybody trying to get money.
Speaker 2: Jewels is.
Speaker 4: Naive about being someone's sugar baby. Lexi is naive about it,
Speaker 4: Like it's just like I feel like everybody's naive. So
Speaker 4: like Maddie not picking up on Rush, it was like
Speaker 4: an obvious thing for me because she's never been she
Speaker 4: rule's been in the streets pick up something he ain't
Speaker 4: never been.
Speaker 5: In the streets.
Speaker 2: I think Maddie.
Speaker 5: I think Maddie looking at it like I get what
Speaker 5: you're saying, but I feel like I can handle myself.
Speaker 2: Yea, U thought the same thing.
Speaker 5: It ain't at that part yet, but she's just looking
Speaker 5: at Roule like, yeah, you different from me. I'm Finnish.
Speaker 5: I can get out of it. I'm gonna make some shake.
Speaker 2: Ye I don't have a dress.
Speaker 5: I ain't exactly. I ain't working for him. I'm coming
Speaker 5: in with something to offer, Like she looking at it
Speaker 5: like okay, what can I get into it?
Speaker 4: But she don't know that's gonna end up working for him,
Speaker 4: Like doing that, it's going to be in a situating time.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like that makes her naive. Maybe later
Speaker 5: on in some dangerous like Ruth seeing it from the
Speaker 5: get it like she knew what this was. Maddy's still
Speaker 5: trying to scope for that she's like, maybe I can
Speaker 5: get my little piece of it. And I ain't even
Speaker 5: got to get that deep into it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think she's looking at it. I think that starnship
Speaker 3: I'm I'm with Spike.
Speaker 7: I think she's she's having some sort of leverature as
Speaker 7: an actual partner of his.
Speaker 6: And I think Alimo actually respects her a little her
Speaker 6: like there's a there's a mutual thing that that.
Speaker 9: And that's why I think the scene was so freaking good,
Speaker 9: Like there's a mutual.
Speaker 6: Thing there because she she has she has, She's coming
Speaker 6: in with a business, like a legitimate business plan that's
Speaker 6: gonna work with her without him, And he's like, oh,
Speaker 6: I need to get in on what you got going
Speaker 6: on actually.
Speaker 2: To a million a year, hold on, I got girls
Speaker 2: a little better than I get what they saying.
Speaker 7: Though, Like though, for me, Mike, before you get into
Speaker 7: that was like even the fact that she picked out
Speaker 7: the cream of the crop, as he said, She's like,
Speaker 7: oh you you got it.
Speaker 3: You got all these women, you you picked them two
Speaker 3: that are the cream of the crop. So I think
Speaker 3: he respects her on a different level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of in the middle of all of y'all.
Speaker 4: I see Nick's point about her being naive. I think
Speaker 4: where the naivete comes in is her thinking that she
Speaker 4: can actually handle the ship with Alamo. Yes, because if
Speaker 4: Alamo feels like taking it to a different place, Maddie
Speaker 4: has nothing. And I don't want to speak for you, Nick,
Speaker 4: but I think that's what Nick was kind of sort
Speaker 4: of getting at. Yeah, he Alamo probably respects her, but
Speaker 4: at the same time, Alamo knows like, if I feel
Speaker 4: like making you my property, I'm going to do that.
Speaker 4: So I think that's where this situation is very interesting,
Speaker 4: and I do agree with y'all. This scene was incredible.
Speaker 4: I love the way he was menacing. But he changed
Speaker 4: his tone he started talking to Maddie because at first
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, he's gonna try to like scammer,
Speaker 4: he's gonna try to pimper. But then when he found
Speaker 4: out like, nah, this girl is smart, this is she's
Speaker 4: not like Rue, then his tone changed up and he
Speaker 4: was like, oh, well, let's let's work, let's see how
Speaker 4: we can make this happen. But at some point he's
Speaker 4: not gonna need Maddie anymore, and that's when this is
Speaker 4: gonna go left.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think it'll be interesting to watch how this plays out,
Speaker 6: because the thing that I liked about it is, like
Speaker 6: Lexi called this last episode, she was like, you're like
Speaker 6: some internet pimper or something. To see the way that
Speaker 6: Maddie it can be to these this her circle from
Speaker 6: school the way that, And I think that they kind
Speaker 6: of did the whole episode like they're showing that Maddie
Speaker 6: is kind of to this circle what Alamo is in
Speaker 6: his world, like he capital off of people, manipulates people,
Speaker 6: he uses people, and Maddie does the same thing.
Speaker 9: So it was interesting to see.
Speaker 6: Them kind of parallel that, and then it'll be interesting
Speaker 6: to see how that kind of collides.
Speaker 9: Does that work together or does that become like a
Speaker 9: head butt thing?
Speaker 3: Right, I got you, That's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 7: She's like an online pimp, Like she's a pimp for
Speaker 7: like online stuff, and he's like a traditional pimp or whatever.
Speaker 3: So together they could really make some money. It's how
Speaker 3: he's seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, until he don't need her no more, until he
Speaker 4: figures out how the game works, and he's like, all right, cool,
Speaker 4: you can go.
Speaker 1: I don't see him.
Speaker 7: I don't see him getting into that world. I don't
Speaker 7: see him getting into the interwet world. I think he's
Speaker 7: good where that and we'll have somebody that can work
Speaker 7: that that sector.
Speaker 5: I'm just I don't think that she thinks that he's
Speaker 5: that dangerous because how she was introduced to him. She
Speaker 5: don't know how deep Rue has gotten into the game.
Speaker 2: But that's the next point about naivete.
Speaker 5: I agree with that. You're You're right, it's kind of
Speaker 5: naive because she think, Okay, this is just a strip
Speaker 5: club owner. I mean, I can figure it out if
Speaker 5: it happens. She don't know the depths of it because
Speaker 5: she don't know that about Ruth either. When speaks to
Speaker 5: the friendship that she talked about earlier, like, I'm as
Speaker 5: close as Rut as you can get. I don't know
Speaker 5: she smuggled drugs from Mexico and is in on this
Speaker 5: illegal drug business or whatever it may be. So when
Speaker 5: this big black guy come in here, yeah, he's intimidating
Speaker 5: his medicine, But I think he's just a strip club owner.
Speaker 2: Think about this, right.
Speaker 4: Ruth was clearly trying to get Maddie the fuck out
Speaker 4: of there, and Maddie knew that, but Maddy ignored every
Speaker 4: single one of those signals.
Speaker 5: So I think that she thinks that she's tougher than
Speaker 5: Ruth exactly. Yeah, yeah, she thinks she tougher than Ruth.
Speaker 5: So I can handle this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be her downfall.
Speaker 3: That might be.
Speaker 2: Anybody doing business with him.
Speaker 4: Bro. He did the same thing with Rude when he
Speaker 4: found out Rue has something to like sometimes he.
Speaker 6: Was like, guys, Alamo, has this shown us that he
Speaker 6: will fuck people over? He just don't like to be
Speaker 6: fucked over, right, So, like him and Laurie would still
Speaker 6: be doing business if she hadn't called him a pig.
Speaker 9: It's like, until he's.
Speaker 6: Crossed, he hasn't shown any signs of being the type
Speaker 6: of a menacing character who is like he still has
Speaker 6: a code of ethics.
Speaker 4: I mean he he threatened to stab a dude because
Speaker 4: he gave him the wrong pair of pants. I don't
Speaker 4: think this dude is really like on a moral on
Speaker 4: a moral high ground or anything, you know.
Speaker 9: I mean, like like the guy said, like, everybody has
Speaker 9: me fucked up right now, and everybody said could get it.
Speaker 9: So as long as you don't get me up.
Speaker 2: You just talked about this. I told you all sins
Speaker 2: are yea like you know when you hit that points
Speaker 2: like nah, no, mad he was in the room. I
Speaker 2: don't know she might you said, listen to what a
Speaker 2: nigga upset? He was certain adjectives. He called things out.
Speaker 2: He said, he's red pants, Like you look like a clown.
Speaker 2: He said, you call it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't think that. I don't know if
Speaker 5: that applies to or it will apply to Maddie's relationship
Speaker 5: or even so, I don't know if we can call
Speaker 5: him because maybe when Maddie sees that she get out
Speaker 5: of there makes true.
Speaker 2: She's getting out of there.
Speaker 1: Run.
Speaker 5: She just ain't got yet. She don't have to do
Speaker 5: business with him. Rute tie Rue got a blood contract
Speaker 5: for the other lady, like you don't got no choice.
Speaker 5: Maddie can see her and be like, nah, you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm going back to the corporate world where I'm good
Speaker 5: at and doing my only things things. I thought I
Speaker 5: was set up for that, but I'm not always back.
Speaker 2: Now He's gonna tell her like, I know your address,
Speaker 2: I know where you listen.
Speaker 5: Like that's what I'm saying. Rue Rue not a civilian.
Speaker 5: Maddie's a civilian. This is I don't think, because that's
Speaker 5: what one, that's what's gonna run him, hide and get
Speaker 5: his work. Like the police are already looking at Laurie.
Speaker 5: It ain't too long for it to come knocking on
Speaker 5: your door. So when you do stuff where Maddie disappears
Speaker 5: and people that matter need her because she got a
Speaker 5: job and they start calling and it roots back to you.
Speaker 5: He thinking about stuff like that because he running the
Speaker 5: Priminal enterprise, So he'll let her walk. Don't nobody give
Speaker 5: a fuck about Rue if Rude disappeared, like who cares?
Speaker 5: Like nobody will know bro.
Speaker 4: So if anything, I think that he probably is gonna
Speaker 4: look if anything that has to to threaten the situation
Speaker 4: between Alamo and Maddie is Alamo likes money, and if
Speaker 4: he sees money walking away with Maddie, then he's gonna
Speaker 4: have a problem with it. But for everything else, I
Speaker 4: completely agree with these fight. Uh last thing before we
Speaker 4: get up out of here, the end of this episode.
Speaker 8: Was it not?
Speaker 1: Did it not? Was it not?
Speaker 2: Goofy? Was it not like the building? This is like
Speaker 2: some Looney Tune.
Speaker 3: Ship back when the golf club and ship don't just.
Speaker 1: When the dirt.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah we got past that, ye Yeah.
Speaker 7: He's stupid like Louis to that's crazy. I did like
Speaker 7: the build up though. I like the build up because
Speaker 7: that that that gave me anxiety when it was doing
Speaker 7: the Dirt Owner the barriers alive, like what the hell
Speaker 7: is going on? But but nah, Yeah, but I'm also
Speaker 7: with with what everybody was saying earlier. I think Spike
Speaker 7: started it off when it was just like, yo, we
Speaker 7: know you're not about to knock her head off, Like
Speaker 7: we know that you're not about.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 5: Like he's just not like that. She'll be back next episode.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be something that happens. He's not going to
Speaker 5: hit her with the thing, and she'll be back next episode.
Speaker 3: Okay, what would you do?
Speaker 1: Tell us?
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, what is she doing?
Speaker 5: I would be shocked. That would be one of the
Speaker 5: most shocking moments in TV history.
Speaker 1: Come back.
Speaker 3: You, I would be good.
Speaker 5: They if they came back next week and she did,
Speaker 5: I would be shot, and I will come back next week.
Speaker 4: What if they come back the week after and they
Speaker 4: show that she's dead? What if next episode? What if
Speaker 4: the next episode.
Speaker 2: She's in this ship?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would make sense though if they're trying to
Speaker 4: make this the potential last season. Go ahead and kill
Speaker 4: then they don't want to do this ship no more.
Speaker 4: Go ahead and kill her ass off, and then if
Speaker 4: they do it next season, it'll be fucking Sydney, Sleepy
Speaker 4: Maddie and Nate wo.
Speaker 2: Or the Alamo Show and y'all gonna be here.
Speaker 3: They will cancel the hell out of this show.
Speaker 7: You heard.
Speaker 4: On the show man if they killed what's his name
Speaker 4: on the Last of Us or this this this Last
Speaker 4: of Us. Yeah, if they killed Joel's ass, they can
Speaker 4: kill him.
Speaker 2: Dam Yeah that's what.
Speaker 6: I'm going with.
Speaker 1: But what happened that, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Right after I said it, I was like, that's.
Speaker 5: Not going to happen.
Speaker 4: But also also can't can't correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Seeing something that it's peak is still an amazing thing,
Speaker 2: like because.
Speaker 4: About everybody was like what I'm saying, what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: we would we just like I'm saying, I think it's
Speaker 4: like when spoiler alert, when when Joe got the Last
Speaker 4: of Us, we was all shocked. That was a good
Speaker 4: episode because we didn't expect that ship. Granted it went down,
Speaker 4: so it's a good episode.
Speaker 2: That's all I say.
Speaker 5: Killing the rule, that's that's not going to happen, bro,
Speaker 5: So they.
Speaker 2: Might do a last episode. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 5: If I would be shocked, And I don't know how
Speaker 5: it feel about it if they killed her and showed
Speaker 5: it in this episode. But Michael, they did, like what
Speaker 5: you said, and we started this episode with Jules, Maddie
Speaker 5: and Nate like we don't see jewels, and I mean
Speaker 5: today to the end, would be pissed. I would be pissed.
Speaker 6: I will say that even though I had the whole
Speaker 6: idea like Okay, what are they doing because we know
Speaker 6: we're not gonna kill Zida, I will say that it
Speaker 6: made me think like if I was in her position,
Speaker 6: but I continue to build that very like dig that
Speaker 6: damn hole, like like do you do in that circumstance
Speaker 6: because these these two big niggas and they just like
Speaker 6: where can you go with guns?
Speaker 1: She could have took pissy pants ship. He's standing there
Speaker 1: trying to look up. I saw you kiss your pants.
Speaker 5: I know that was the only one she could get those.
Speaker 5: You got my challenge and you got this other cycle
Speaker 5: right here, like she got a long day, she.
Speaker 2: Ain't getting out.
Speaker 5: You got you got nothing gonna come over that mountain
Speaker 5: like you're gonna run down that mountain.
Speaker 1: That's it, dig hole man. Only Rue would end up
Speaker 1: in a situation like that. That's all I said.
Speaker 5: When they came back to her head, I said, the same.
Speaker 8: Man, only roule Bro. But I hated this ending. This
Speaker 8: was some bullship, like what why are we doing this?
Speaker 8: Like what this fool coming down swinging.
Speaker 2: On a horse.
Speaker 5: Man set up was good man bro because I didn't
Speaker 5: know when he was getting ready to ride the horse,
Speaker 5: and he put the little polos like all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Only that was good.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay to set up for school once
Speaker 5: I realized what he was doing. But then when we
Speaker 5: got to the end, it was like, I know what's
Speaker 5: He's not gonna kill her?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I'm just saying there's a chance.
Speaker 4: I don't I wouldn't bet money on it, but ride
Speaker 4: if they took out, hey that's a bolt, that's a bold.
Speaker 2: Tape they had crazy if they did something like that.
Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on this episode.
Speaker 6: I mean they played with her death before because like
Speaker 6: the first season, we thought she overdose the end of
Speaker 6: the season.
Speaker 2: So I thought she did.
Speaker 3: Yes this way this way, like this like to die
Speaker 3: this way is crazy, That is what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Overdose all that, sure, but to get her head knocked
Speaker 7: off by Alamo, that does not happening.
Speaker 4: Ry.
Speaker 3: Hey, I just don't see that.
Speaker 5: I agree, bad episode.
Speaker 2: Then it might be.
Speaker 4: It might be because I think that was the only
Speaker 4: this last part was the only part that I gave
Speaker 4: about as we went to go through it.
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