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Speaker 2: And now Cameron Nigel Joe off the rails with Rod end.

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Speaker 3: My name is Ni Joe Jerry Lopez filling it for him.

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Speaker 3: We're also live in the studio Rob Kendall from The

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Speaker 3: Kendle in Casey Show, here to go off the rails, Rob,

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Speaker 3: how are you great?

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always to our segment sponsor Garage Doors

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Speaker 1: of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: You were kind enough to call me on your day off.

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Speaker 3: That was Monday when the governor announced He's yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: They did this special session on abortion. It was very quick.

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Speaker 2: Do whatever I want to do.

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Speaker 2: It smears, it's for clicks, it's whatever. I was right.

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Speaker 1: Not only is there grand jury, it's exactly what I said.

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Speaker 1: Right, you can either believe that Rob Kendall, with nothing

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Speaker 3: Is it done that there's no more friendship there at all?

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Speaker 2: It breaks my heart. Yeah, it breaks my heart because

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Speaker 1: It's the way the people feel, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: American greed documentaries on CNBC, or oftentimes they invest their money.

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Speaker 1: Micah was this. He is a habitual liar in many ways.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I was naive to it in many ways. Maybe

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Speaker 1: part of it was I wanted to believe in someone

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Speaker 1: Rob never talks about what he's for. I saw this guy,

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Speaker 1: And from basically the moment he got in that office,

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Speaker 1: grand jury. It doesn't mean there's gonna be an indictment.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean there's gonna be a conviction. But he

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Speaker 1: the guy who broke the story.

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Speaker 2: I heard about it from Lobbianco.

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Speaker 1: Labyanca says, no, he told me heard about something in

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Speaker 1: the treasure's office, like meaningless stupid lies. And if he's

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Speaker 2: Gonna be lying about the big stuff.

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Speaker 3: Did he stagrant for one more segment?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show going off the rails

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Speaker 3: with Rob Kendall. A couple of minutes left. Rob had

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Speaker 3: Denny Smith on the air earlier today talking about uh

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Speaker 3: wb oh and Dennis Smith high talking about the wibc's

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Speaker 3: birthday today, eighty seven years on the air. I heard

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Speaker 3: you talking a little bit about this earlier on your

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Speaker 3: show on the Kendall and Casey Show. What what sort

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Speaker 3: of feelings boy? You got kind of you got kind

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Speaker 3: of deep when talking about WIBC and the history that

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Speaker 1: Well, you and I are lucky we both got to

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Speaker 1: live out our dreams. You got to be on X

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Speaker 1: one o three and I got to be on WIBC.

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Speaker 3: I was on X one or three and there. I

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Speaker 3: never talk about that.

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Speaker 1: No. Look WIBC, and I know you feel the same

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Speaker 1: way about this because you're a Hoosier lifer, You're a

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Speaker 1: Central Indiana lifer. WIBC has always been the gold standard

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Speaker 1: of radio, especially community minded radio. And when I say

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Speaker 1: it is. But there, when you listen to WIBC, there

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Speaker 1: we taught. We make our money, we make our living

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Speaker 1: some Nashally syndicated radio talk shows. It was to be

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Speaker 1: it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It was where the action was.

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Speaker 3: Man, it was the first time I'd ever heard and

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Speaker 3: we got about thirty seconds left here, and I know you.

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Speaker 3: You rattled off a ton of old WIBC legendary personalities.

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Speaker 3: The first time I ever heard Rush Limbaugh is my

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Speaker 3: parents listening to WIBC. Now, I didn't know what he

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Speaker 3: was talking about as a kid. I found it fascinating though,

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Speaker 3: that he would sit in a room. A guy would

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Speaker 3: right now and talk by himself for three hours and

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Speaker 3: the ratings were through the roof. That's kind of where

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Speaker 3: I discovered WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh reading an ad was better than anybody doing

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Speaker 1: a show.

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Speaker 3: Rob Kendall nine to noon, Kendall and Casey Show Monday

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Speaker 3: through Friday. Thanks for going off the rails, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: You're the best nights Thanks to garage George of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: It's a Hamray Nigel Show.