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Speaker 1: Sider Man, sider Man's Spider Game Spins Away, Size Cancasy.

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Speaker 1: Just my guys, lookout, here comes asider Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC. This is the

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Speaker 2: Kendall and Case Show. An appropriate song choice from producer keV.

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Speaker 2: Considering we're discussing how the late, the Great, the Magnificence

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Speaker 2: stan Lee continues to be exploited even after death, and

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Speaker 2: this kind of bothers me, Jerry, especially if you know

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Speaker 2: much about how stan Lee was really kind of abused

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Speaker 2: in his later years and exploited for financial gain from

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Speaker 2: Marvel and by unscrupulous individuals who just wanted to co

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Speaker 2: opt his iconography for their own financial benefit. And even

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Speaker 2: after death, he continues not to get rest. And I

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Speaker 2: find this very very sad and possibly a horrifying glimpse

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Speaker 2: into how AI is going to be used in more

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Speaker 2: correctly abused.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very unfortunate what's happened to him. And here's

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Speaker 3: the sad part. Is probably not just going to end

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Speaker 3: with stan Lee. This may be the beginning of something

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Speaker 3: that we continue to see happen, and the wheels can

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Speaker 3: completely fall off this thing.

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Speaker 2: So what we're discussing is a hologram of stan Lee

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Speaker 2: that or was powered by AI, and they deployed this

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Speaker 2: to a lot of criticism at the LA Comic Con

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Speaker 2: last year. Like I said, I've been sitting on this

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Speaker 2: story for a couple of months, but I figured now

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Speaker 2: would be a good time to finally dive into it, because,

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Speaker 2: of course, AI continues to get more advanced and sophisticated

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Speaker 2: every single day. And listen to listen to how they

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Speaker 2: plugged this thing into AI to put words into stan

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Speaker 2: Lee's mouth. Stan Lee didn't have all these opinions, at

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Speaker 2: least not when he was in life, But here is

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Speaker 2: how his imagery has continued to be exploited even after death.

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Speaker 1: Here today has hollow things to join you in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Los Angeles Comic Con. For decades I

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Speaker 1: had the thrill of spinning the arms about heroes and

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Speaker 1: my village in that mighty marvel manner. But the real

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Speaker 1: heroes have always been you for fans whose incitement cept

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Speaker 1: those stories alive. The world may be a little money

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Speaker 1: now and then, but as long as we share our

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Speaker 1: stories and imaginations, there will always be room for hoping,

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Speaker 1: hearts and heroism. So thank you for keeping the Dream

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Speaker 1: Alive Excelsior.

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Speaker 3: Stun's a side side.

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Speaker 2: There was also a clip from later in the video

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Speaker 2: where I mean, this thing is interactive, it's not just prescripted,

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Speaker 2: where one of the members of the crowd asked stan Lee, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, tell us more about how you incorporated the

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Speaker 2: civil rights into the X book comic books. And Stanley

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Speaker 2: has already gone on the record that was not the

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Speaker 2: genesis of his idea when he was, you know, thinking

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Speaker 2: up these these you know, comic book superheroes. That was

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Speaker 2: something that was imposed after the fact, late later, mostly

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Speaker 2: by fans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how far this goes, right, So,

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Speaker 3: I remember it was year maybe ten years ago at

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Speaker 3: this point. Remember they brought out some Tupac hologram. He

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Speaker 3: was dead, and that was a big thing. But that

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Speaker 3: was literally just a hologram that danced on stage. We

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Speaker 3: are now entering the precipice of interactive AI hologram that

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Speaker 3: now is putting words into dead people's mouth.

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Speaker 2: And that's the important thing here because not all of

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Speaker 2: the things that stan Lee is saying. There may be

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Speaker 2: opinions that stan Lee himself had held, and but you're

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Speaker 2: giving people the incorrect perception, the miss you know, misinformation

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Speaker 2: that well it is coming from stan Lee. That's hollow

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Speaker 2: stan Lee. But you know, it's like exploiting a corpse,

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Speaker 2: you know, making him into a puppet, and that just

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Speaker 2: seems like a very inappropriate use for AI. This is

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Speaker 2: a conversation, of course, it's it's come up in the

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Speaker 2: past and other ductions. Disney had somewhat unethically resurrected Peter

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Speaker 2: Cushing for the what was a twenty fifteen Rogue one movie.

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Speaker 2: Peter Cushing, of course had been dead for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but they brought him back to be Grand Moth Tarkin.

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Speaker 2: They did the same thing in twenty nineteen's The Last Jedi,

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Speaker 2: which of course was a terrible disaster of a film

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Speaker 2: all by itself. I'm sorry, twenty seventeen's twenty seventeen's The

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Speaker 2: Last Jedi. There we go. The Rian Johnson won the

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Speaker 2: middle of the trilogy because, of course Carrie Fisher had

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Speaker 2: already deceased, and they brought back her digital corpse to puppet.

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Speaker 2: That just not unless the actor is giving explicit permission

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Speaker 2: for their image and likeness to be used in that way.

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Speaker 2: I think you should let these individuals. Rest, Let them

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Speaker 2: get peace and find somebody else to shill your intellectual

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Speaker 2: property that physic Yeah, is it that hard?

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Speaker 3: That bad?

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Speaker 2: You can't find a new one, you know, you could

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Speaker 2: all you can always find a new sales rep.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Let somebody else be the new stan Lee. And of

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Speaker 2: course you're never going to replace somebody like that, which

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Speaker 2: I guess is why they want to co opt the corpse.

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Speaker 3: Well, and this is one of the big reasons why

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Speaker 3: they had that lockout. The writer's lockout was because AI

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Speaker 3: was being not introduced as it's going to replace the extras,

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Speaker 3: it's going to replace all this other stuff. So workers

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Speaker 3: we're now striking because they didn't want AI to take over.

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Speaker 3: I asked you a question, when will we have movies

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Speaker 3: that are just all AI? And they say, screw the actors.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've already kind of got that, not in any

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Speaker 2: mainstream capacity. But of course people are using this technology

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Speaker 2: and they're posting short videos online and I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 2: some of them are pretty entertaining. But you know, as

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Speaker 2: far as a mainstream film breaking through, I don't see

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Speaker 2: that in the immediate horizon. A Hollywood's not going to

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Speaker 2: let that happen because they understand that, you know, there

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Speaker 2: goes their gravy train if they were ever to lose that.

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Speaker 2: But also when you take away the human element, when

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Speaker 2: you take away the human touch, I think you lose

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Speaker 2: an essence of the craft.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very fair. I think people still are now.

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Speaker 3: Our ears are a little perked up to AI, and

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Speaker 3: I think we appreciate the human to human experience.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because it can't be replicated. You know, they can

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Speaker 2: copy human, but they can never replace a human