1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Oh hey everybody, I am Andrew 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: Langer and. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: For Tony Katz Today. I'm Tony Katz Today. If you 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: want to join the conversation, you can at me on 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: x at Andrew Underscore Langer l A N G E R. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: You can also message me on Facebook, Facebook dot com 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: slash Andrew Langer Show. You know, I do regulatory policy 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: at Seapeck. I do a couple of different podcasts, one 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: with Jerry Rodgers who joined us in the last hour. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Andrew and Jerry Save the World. Though he and I 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: need to do an episode soon. It's been a bit 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: because our schedules have been a little a little chaotic, 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: both of both of them. 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, come and check me out on Twitter. 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Follow me there at Andrew Underscore Langer to see everything 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: that I'm up to. If you like what you hear here, 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: I guarantee you're going to like the other stuff that 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: I that I work on. 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Got a great hour. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: We're going to be joined in a couple of minutes 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: by Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne from the. 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: Great State of Texas. 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: She's got a small business regulatory bill that I want 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: to talk to her about. And we're going to be 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: joined by marlow Lewis, who works at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: It's actually the think tank where the aforementioned Jerry Rodgers 28 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: and I met many, many, many moons ago. I used 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: to work with Marlowe. To talk about this event that 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: happened yesterday at the White House, the President brought in 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: executives from the auto industry Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy, 32 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: because one of the things that we've been talking about 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: are cars now for many. 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: Let me set it up this way. I would love it. 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: I would love it if I could put a thimble 36 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: full of gas into my car and have the car 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: go and on an infinite distance on that thimbleful gas. 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: But guess what, the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: they don't allow for that. And there are always pros 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: and cons with any kind of power source for a car, 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: and there are always tradeoffs. The big thing with my 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: work is the issue of trade offs, the issue of 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: risk and how you assess risk, right, what is the 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: risk of harm from climate change, or what is the 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: risk of harm from air pollution from fuels? And what 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: happens if you trade the risk of air of harm 47 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: from air pollution from the burning. 48 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: Of fossil fuels. 49 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: What happens if you trade that from the risk of 50 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: making cars that are more easily crumpled or are worse 51 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: off at protecting you? Right, we know that heavier cars 52 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: are better able to protect passengers. 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: What are the risks of having air bags in your car? Right? 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: It's not that they're without risk, but the you know, 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: when you make the trade off of having cars that 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: essentially crumple. 57 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: If you look at them wrong, you know, as opposed 58 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: to the. 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Old chrome monsters that used to come out of Detroit, 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, is you have to have some kind of 61 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: internal protection device. So we invented the air bag. And 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: all of this, by the way, conspires to make the 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: car much much more expensive. Oh and you can't have 64 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: a car that and you can't make standards that defy science. 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: You know. 66 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: It was one of those things where a good buddy 67 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: Mindy now teaches it. William and Mary worked with me 68 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: and Jerry at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. John Jonathan Adler, 69 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: he's a professor at George Washington. We're talking about fuel 70 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: economy standards, and he said, you know, Andrew, by the way, 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: when you make a car that's more fuel efficient, it 72 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: actually produces more carbon like really goes yeah, because it 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: is cracking that petrochemical molecule more efficiently. So it is, 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, more efficiently converting the the the whatever the 75 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: petrochemical formula into the constituents of things like carbon monoxide 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: and carbon dioxide. 77 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: Et cetera. Those things are going to get at least 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: much much more efficiently. So there are always trade offs 79 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: that are work. Here is my point. 80 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: At the same time, you're making things more expensive, and 81 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: obviously affordability is on everybody's minds. So the it's you know, 82 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the the car companies have been talking about this and 83 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: about the issue of the electric fleets. I remember having 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody in the car industry about the 85 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: problems they were having with the Biden The Biden administration. 86 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: Didn't even want to count the gas. 87 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: Electric hybrids, like the gas electric prius, right, the idea 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that you could fill up with gas but then it 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: would go further. Didn't want to count hybrids in these standards. 90 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: But you know something, let's let's before we get to Trump, 91 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: let's hear what the CEO of Ford Motor Company had 92 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 1: to say. 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: Let's play cut number seventeen is a victory common sense 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: and affordability. 95 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: We're very proud of Ford to be the number one 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: auto producer. 97 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: Eighty percent of the vehicles. 98 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: We sell here we may in our country right, and 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 3: we never left like many of our competitors. We're the 100 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: number one ex quarter and we have the most factory 101 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: auto factory workers. 102 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: We can end it. 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it was also he had said it was. 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Sean Duffy said something about creating a fuel economy standard 105 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: where they wanted cars to get something above sixty five 106 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: miles to the gallon, which is just not scientifically attainable. 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: It gets into what happened with a diesel fuel. 108 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: Right. 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: You can either have diesel fuel that burns more efficiently, right, 110 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: it gets converted into energy more efficiently, or you can 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: have it pollute less, or you can have it have 112 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: good power. But you can't do all three at the 113 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: same time. It is physically impossible, scientifically impossible. Something gets sacrificed, 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,239 Speaker 1: whether it's power or efficiency. 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: Or the the making it so that it pollutes less. 116 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: And so when VW came out and said, oh, we've 117 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: cracked the code. We figured out a way to have 118 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: a diesel engine that is powerful, that is fuel efficient, 119 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: and it doesn't pollute as much. Folks are like, well, 120 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: that's really interesting, we want to know how you do. Well, 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: it's proprietary, but here's the test data. And guess what. 122 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: It turned out that their test data was falsified. Right, 123 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: you remember this, You just can't make it do so. 124 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: The President, he had this announcement yesterday. Let's go ahead 125 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: and play cut number fourteen. 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: Today, my administration is taking storic action to lower costs 127 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: for American consumers, protect American auto jobs, and make buying 128 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: a car much more affordable for accountless American families. And 129 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: also station we're officially terminating Joe Biden's ridiculously burdens some 130 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: horrible actually cafe standards, then imposed expensive restrictions and all 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: lots of the problems. 132 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: You gave all sorts of. 133 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: Problems to automakers. And we're not only talking about here, 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: we're talking about outside of our country. Because nobody could 135 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: do it, nobody wanted to do it, and it. 136 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: Was ridiculous, very expensive. 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: It put tremendous upward pressure on car prices, combined with 138 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: the insane electric vehicle mandate Biden's burdens some regulations help 139 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: cause the price of cars to sore more than twenty 140 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: five percent, and in one case, they went up eighteen 141 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: percent in one year. 142 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Okay, let's stop it there. And there are reasons for this, 143 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: right it is. You're making cars that have more expensive technology, 144 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: and you're making cars where there is a there is 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: a penalty being placed if they don't have the right 146 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: kinds of fuel economy standards. By the way, that's what 147 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: CAFE means, Cafe CAFI. It's an acronym for corporate average 148 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: fuel economy, So they essentially look at the entire car fleet. 149 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: You want to know why we don't have station wagons 150 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: in America anymore? You some of you are aware of this. 151 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm certain I drove station wagons raising my hand. You 152 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: can't see them on the air, you know. I think 153 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: my parents are listening. We we were a station wagon 154 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: family in the eighties, and we had a diesel wagon 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: first and then that went uh to a town in 156 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Montana called Helena, that went to the Helena hand basket. 157 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: And then we. 158 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: Got a successor car that was a regular unleaded car. 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: But those old land Boat Chevy, you know, GM station wagons. Well, 160 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: at some point station wagons disappeared and people either bought 161 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: SUVs or they bought minivents. I was also a minivan guy. 162 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: I love my love my Toyota minivan. And what happened, Well, 163 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: what happened is station wagons were counted as cars. Mini 164 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: vans and SUVs are counted as trucks, so they're not 165 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: counted in the same way under these cafe standards that 166 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: were begun under Bill Clinton and then extended over time 167 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump taking action. And so yeah, it's gonna have 168 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: an in. We'll play more of these clips, but listen. 169 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: In a moment, we're going to be joined by Congresswoman 170 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,359 Speaker 1: Bethfan Dying. She's doing some really interesting stuff with regulations 171 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: and small business. Want to talk to her about that. 172 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats Today. 173 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: We are back. 174 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats Today on 175 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. And if you spend any time listening 176 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: to me, you know that there are things that I 177 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: am passionate about. Two of them are regulation and small 178 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: business and reducing the regulatory burden on small businesses. It's 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: what I do over at SEAPEC and finding ways and 180 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: innovative ways to get at the issue of regulatory costs. 181 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: Joining us right now, Congresswoman bethfan Dyne. She's from the 182 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: great state of Texas. She's a member of the House 183 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: Committee on Small Business. You guys had a big victory yesterday. 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever realized that it was on 185 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: the floor yesterday, but you have the Small Business Regulatory 186 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: Reduction Act of twenty twenty five. 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: It passed the House. Tell us about it, what it does. 188 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Why you went down this road, Well, I will. 189 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 5: Tell you I have been. I appreciate you having me. 190 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: I'm on Ways and MAS. 191 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 6: Which handles tax issues, and I'm on small business. Before that, 192 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 6: I was in there, and you know, as fay or 193 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 6: to do, our focus was on economic development. Our focus 194 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 6: is on working with the small businesses of our. 195 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 5: Community and recognizing the fact that, you. 196 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 6: Know, policies have consequences, and we've got fantastic you know, 197 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 6: relationships with your business community. Guess what people invest there, 198 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 6: they hire their and your economy grows. 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 5: And what he found was, over the years we were. 200 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 6: Seeing this regulatory war right launched on our businesses, and 201 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 6: when you start adding up the cost, it. 202 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 5: Was incredible, it was crazy. 203 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 6: And so I, as a freshman, I introduced this bill. 204 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: This is a third Congress that I have introduced this. 205 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 6: Finally we got to go on the floor and I 206 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 6: am hopeful that we're going to be. 207 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: Able to get this out of the Senate. 208 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: But this was never I talked about. 209 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: This all on the campaign trail. 210 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 6: I said, you were never going to find people talking. 211 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 5: About regulation sexy, right, you know, but. 212 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 6: It makes such a difference. 213 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 5: I didn't know, right, I didn't know about the dose. 214 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: I'm literally writing a memo, literally writing a memo to 215 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: colleagues right now about that because some of my colleagues 216 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: just don't don't get that issue. And to put a 217 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: number on it, folks, because I have the press release 218 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: in front of me, and you know, so, regulatory costs 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: essentially doubled under Joe Biden in the space. 220 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Of four years. 221 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: They went from two and a quarter trillion dollars annually 222 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to about four trillion dollars annually, an increase of about 223 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: one point eight trillion dollars. That is part of why 224 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: we saw inflation appen. You know, when you made things 225 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: more expensive. This is this is the end result, is 226 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: it not? 227 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 5: This is absolutely right, absolutely right. 228 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 6: And we would have small businesses coming in at our 229 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 6: witnesses and our hearings and they would tell you like, look, 230 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 6: we are not we can't compete with the big corporations. 231 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 6: We don't have an entire regulatory department. 232 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: Right. 233 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 6: This goes in place with our thin margins, this community 234 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 6: difference trends, having to open our doors or close them, 235 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 6: you know, hiring more people, expanding or actually going on 236 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 6: of business and all. This This bill does two things. 237 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 6: One has the SBA, which is in charge of basically 238 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 6: being the champion for small business, for small businesses across 239 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 6: the country within. 240 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 5: The federal government. 241 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 6: This has them identify the cost of regulations. You just 242 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 6: mentioned at one point eight trillion dollars in the last. 243 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: Four years under the Biden administration. Nowhere was it ever outlined. 244 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: So outline the cost, and then too, what we're trying 245 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 6: to do is codify the efforts during the first Trump 246 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: administration for. 247 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 5: Every regulation to add you're got to take away too. 248 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 6: This one's were making a dollar a dollar for dollar comparison, 249 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 6: So it's not just getting rid of a number of regulations. 250 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 6: It's getting rid of the cost of the regulations. 251 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 5: So if you're going to have a regulation that comes 252 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 5: in it's. 253 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 6: One hundred million dollars, you've got to figure out regulations 254 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 6: that add up to one hundred million takeoff. 255 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 5: It's got to be budget neutrals. 256 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 6: So you can't keep just adding layer upon layer of 257 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 6: bureaucracy to government. 258 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: Our guest is Congresswoman Beth Van Dying from the Great 259 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: State of Texas talking about these issues. I got two 260 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: things to add to it for you, by the way. 261 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: Number one is there should be a no net loss 262 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: of time pledge when it comes to paperwork. Anytime they 263 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: want to add fifteen minutes of paperwork burden to a 264 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: small business, they've got to take fifteen minutes off it 265 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Because time is one of those things where yeah, 266 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: time is money, absolutely, and there's an opportunity cost that's 267 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: there because this is just direct regulatory cost, the four 268 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: trillion dollar number, that's not the opportunity cost when a 269 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: business has to make a choice. The other thing is 270 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: we've got to get a handle on a compliance assistance. Congresswoman, 271 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: at some point, it wasn't intending to sort of use 272 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: this as a way to lobby you. 273 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to. 274 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: I want to come in and talk to you about 275 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: the business compliance one stop. It's twenty twenty five. There 276 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: should be no reason why you can't go onto an 277 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: online portal somewhere put a few key pieces of information 278 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: about your business, location, kind of business, number of employees. 279 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: It should be able to spit out to you every 280 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: regulatory requirement that you have to follow in plain English. 281 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: And and you know, we've we've been at this for 282 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years. I think both those things. I want 283 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: to get your your I find you agree with that. 284 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: AI will definitely help with that. 285 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 5: You know, if if, if our federal. 286 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 6: Government can actually figure out how to adopt you know that. 287 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: And put that into our work. Oh, I'll tell you. 288 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 5: I mean, you look at what just happened with the 289 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: gas and the geo's investigation. 290 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: Right in the healthcare right people who are using make 291 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: sure people understand a. 292 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: Lot that was very simplistic, you know, if we've been 293 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: able to do that. 294 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 6: But you're right, it should be a lot easier. It 295 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 6: should be a lot more. 296 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: User friendly for businesses to be able to follow, uh 297 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: these regulations but. 298 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: When they're so complex and they're so a multi level, 299 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 6: you can see why people get get in trouble easily. 300 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: And we shouldn't be looking for Aha moments. This would 301 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: be to set up and make it easier to do 302 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: business in the. 303 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 6: US and not harder. 304 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, compliance, compliance should be the goal. 305 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: If we all agree that regulations are supposed to exist 306 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: to protect people, then making sure that we know how 307 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: to comply with those regulations should, at the end of 308 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the day, be the God literally just wrote this to 309 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: some comments to the EPA about a paperwork rule that 310 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: they have together. Congressman, what else is on your agenda? 311 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's helping small business, whether it's on 312 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: the tax side of things, whether it's generally helping your constituents. 313 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: What else do you have going on? 314 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: We're trying to right now, affordability is an issue, and 315 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 5: you're trying to do everything we can. 316 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 6: On our tax code. You know, we just passed one 317 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 6: of the largest tax codes in our nation's history. We're 318 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 6: trying to go after and. 319 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 5: Make sure that you know, we can make it easier 320 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:41,479 Speaker 5: for energy. 321 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 6: Producers cheaper, you know, for people to buy energy. We're 322 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 6: looking at trade deals right now. We just had Jamison Greer, 323 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 6: our Ambassador for Trade, in front of our committee yesterday, 324 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 6: talking to him about what we can do. 325 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: To make sure that our American businesses. 326 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 6: Have an upper hand, you know, and in global competitiveness 327 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 6: and that they are investing in the US. 328 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: The other thing that we're going to be working on 329 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 5: is making sure that we are getting rid of corrupt 330 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 5: systems within. 331 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: Our own government. 332 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 6: Yes, and they've been hiring foreign born workers over American 333 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 6: born workers. 334 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: That is that is that is amazing, and it is 335 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you need to do to get down on 336 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: these things. 337 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: This is what you just did a press release a 338 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. 339 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,359 Speaker 1: Representative VANDNS seeks to crack down an illegal immigration industrial 340 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: complex by banning non governmental organization funding. 341 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: Real quick talk to us about that. 342 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 6: Well, what we've been finding is that you have these 343 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 6: corrupt systems that are basically putting on a backbench folks 344 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 6: too shouldn't really even. 345 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: Be in our country, but they're being they are using. 346 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 6: These loopholes in laws to be able to bring foreign 347 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 6: born workers here at the expensive American workers. And we're 348 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 6: going to try to do everything that we can to 349 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 6: realign that system at the same token. 350 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 5: We also have to go after our. 351 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 6: Education system when we are spending you know, billions of 352 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 6: federal dollars to educate kids who can't get jobs, and 353 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 6: yet having to bring in people from other countries, you know, 354 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 6: to fill the massive labor shortage that we have because 355 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 6: we are basically you know, having people graduate who are 356 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 6: illiterate and don't. 357 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 5: Have a multiple job skills. 358 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 6: We have got to get that into alignment. 359 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 5: So those are the things that we're working on right now. 360 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Amen, Well, we're talking with Beth Endin, she's congresswoman from 361 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: the twenty fourth congressional district in Texas. Before I let 362 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: you go, when I do my podcast, my Deep Die podcast, 363 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I ask them, you know, folks that i'm talking to 364 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: about public policy, about you know, their outside interests. But 365 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: if they're a member, I say, okay, what's one place 366 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: if they're going to visit your district, where should they go? 367 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: And I know you've got you know, parts of Dallas, 368 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: you've got parts of Fort Worth. We did the Fort 369 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: Worth Stockyards back in June and loved it. Where would 370 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: you want folks to go in your district? 371 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 6: Well, those people actually, okay, this is not necessarily where 372 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 6: they go, but this is typically where they're going to 373 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 6: go if they come into my district. In my district 374 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 6: center my district. 375 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: Is DFW Airport, and I know that a lot. 376 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 6: Of people don't appreciate everything about the FW Airport goodbye 377 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 6: so they used to be on the board. Yeah, he's 378 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 6: actually one of the more I. 379 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 5: Think on friendly airports. 380 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 6: They've got awesome restaurants, they've got a hotel that's right there, 381 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 6: and number five specially use American Ireland. 382 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: You know something, I flew through DFW for the first 383 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: time in forever twice this summer and had a great 384 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: time both times. It was it really is. It's like 385 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: it's like a modern listen. I grew up in New York. 386 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Laguardi Airport was a hole for many many years and 387 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: then they finally beautified it. I will say that the 388 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: Dallas has outdone even the new LaGuardia, So congratulations on that. 389 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: How do folks find out more about the good work 390 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: you're doing. 391 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 6: Best FANDWM, we are on We're on obviously, we're on X, 392 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 6: We're on Facebook, We're on Instagram. Come join us, Best VANDYM, VA, 393 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 6: N d U, Y and E Texas twenty fourth district. 394 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 6: Come sign up for our newsletter. Come if you come 395 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 6: to duc man, come visit her office. Hi. 396 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 5: We literally on the seventh floor of Long Work. When 397 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 5: you come, and I'm not kidding, people think I'm joking, 398 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 5: jump out the window. We're on the top four has 399 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 5: the best feat of DC. 400 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: And there we go. 401 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to take you up on a congressman. Listen, 402 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, and thank you for being a 403 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: small business champion. It's so vital, especially on these issues. 404 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: So take care Main Street. Absolutely, take care. Happy holidays, 405 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: have a great weekend Christmas. 406 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: So that was Congress when Bet van Dyne twenty fourth 407 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: Congressional District. 408 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: That's Van Dyne v A n d u y n 409 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: E Beth van Dyne. Go and check it out. Listen. 410 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: We got Marlow Lewis joining us in just a couple 411 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: of minutes to talk about these cafe standards, what the 412 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: president did. Oh when there was a funny moment, a 413 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: funny moment talking about the former Transportation secretary. Yeah, his 414 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: name's Pete Bood Edge Edge. We're going to talk about that. 415 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langle. 416 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. 417 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: His name is Marlow Lewis. He is with the Competitive 418 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute. I think he's considering him a good friend. 419 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm honored to be a colleague of his. He's also 420 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: a musician of some note. And Marlow Jerry Rogers reminded 421 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: us all your father was a producer on the Ed 422 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: Sullivan Show. 423 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 7: That's correct, Andrew. He was the original co creator of 424 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 7: the show with Ed Sullivan. So he began producing the 425 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 7: show in nineteen forty eight when there was a television 426 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 7: audience in Manhattan of about fifty thousand people, and they 427 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 7: had an initial budget I think of just maybe one 428 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 7: hundred dollars or so, got it, And many of many 429 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 7: of the performers performed for free. 430 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: Yes, and. 431 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 7: They were big name people. 432 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: But so was was Ketchikurian's saber dance? Was that on 433 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: the turntable in your house growing up all the time? 434 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: The one that never mind very obscure weird references today, 435 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: let me go here, Marlow, sorry me, let me write 436 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: my own ship because Tony's never going to be back. 437 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: Big News Yesterday, the White House. What I appreciate about the. 438 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: Work do you guys do at the Competitive Enterprise Institute 439 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: CEI dot org is the website is that you are diligent, 440 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: and you know the journey of a thousand miles begins 441 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: with a single step. You guys have been fighting against 442 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: cafe standards. I know, yes, I quote it mal. You 443 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: guys have been fighting against cafe standards for a very 444 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: long time, underscoring the lack of a scientific rationale for them. 445 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: That must have been a good, a good, feel good 446 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: day for you guys yesterday. 447 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, it was fantastic now you know. Of course, 448 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 7: of one of your good friends also is our former 449 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 7: General Counsel, Sam Casman. It's only former because he eventually retired, yes, 450 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 7: in his mid seventies, but he started fighting. He started 451 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 7: battling Cafe, the Cafe program, the corporate Average Fuel Economy program, 452 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 7: I believe in the late nineteen eighties. In nineteen ninety 453 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 7: two court case with the Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington, 454 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 7: d C. We had our first victory because what we 455 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 7: said was that look, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 456 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 7: which administers the Corporate Average Fuel Economy Program, has the 457 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 7: word safety in its middle name, right, but they never 458 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 7: consider the adverse safety consequences of fuel economy standards, which 459 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 7: highly pressure automakers, at least it's and especially at that time, 460 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 7: the way the program was set up to achieve greater 461 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 7: fuel economy by making the average car smaller and lighter 462 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 7: and therefore less crashworthy. 463 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I remember from the late eighties 464 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: there was a novelty song about that. Now listen, I'm 465 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: someone who drives. I'm holding on subsidiary of Toyta Motor Corporation. 466 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: My family drives exclusively Toyota cars, so I'm with that 467 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: in mind, I'm going to say this. There was a 468 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: song called You'd Never have a wreck in a Japanese car, 469 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: and it was basically about a guy who'd gotten into 470 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: a Mi inter fender bender and wound up in the hospital. 471 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: Because of what was happening with cars at the time 472 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I was talking about this, there are always trade offs, 473 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: and there's always limitations in science as well, and these 474 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: fuel economy standards, ever increasing, seem to ignore just the 475 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: limits of physics and chemistry, didn't. 476 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 7: They, Well, yes, that, I mean, we all know that 477 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 7: driving around in the tank will give you more protection 478 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 7: than driving in a go cart, right, And so they eventually, 479 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 7: at first they just denied that there was any relay, 480 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 7: any size safety trade off, because not only do heavier 481 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 7: cars have more masks to absorb collision force, right, but 482 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 7: bigger cars provide you with more space between the point 483 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 7: of impact as your rib cage, how are your skull? 484 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 7: So they denied it for years. Oh no, there's no 485 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 7: there's no trade off here. And then when they were 486 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 7: finally forced to admit it, and these were not trivial 487 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 7: casualty numbers. By some estimates, the CAFE program had added 488 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 7: about fifty thousand fatalities to you know, to the to 489 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 7: US auto casualty statistics over a period of several years. 490 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 7: But anyway, so then they came up with something called 491 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 7: the footprint method, where the which was in other words, 492 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 7: that the the basically the area underneath the car determined 493 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 7: by the by the position of the four wheels, would 494 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 7: create a separate category for those vehicles and they would 495 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 7: have to meet a fuel economy requirement within that category 496 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 7: or footprint vehicle footprints they called it. And so that 497 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 7: that alleviated the pressure to downsize, because in other words, 498 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 7: you couldn't achieve fuel economy uh uh standards just by downsizing, 499 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 7: because all that would mean is that now your car 500 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 7: would be lighter, and so then you would have a new, 501 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 7: more more stringent fuel economy standard because you fell within 502 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 7: the lower footprint category. However, it still was the case 503 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 7: that the most economical way to improve the fuel economy 504 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 7: of any car of whatever footprint was to make it lighter, 505 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 7: of course, and to make it smaller, and so there 506 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 7: was still that pressure to reduce the size of a car. 507 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 7: One of the one of the side effects of this, 508 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 7: of course, at the start of the program was that 509 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 7: it described basically destroyed the market for UH station wagons, 510 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 7: which then literally family car, you know, because the R 511 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 7: all right, So what happened was there was there was 512 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 7: a less demanding, less restrictive fuel economy requirement for trucks. Yes, 513 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 7: And so what people did was I said, Okay, we 514 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 7: can't we can't afford to buy these these station wagons 515 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 7: anymore because it would really cost a fortune to have 516 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 7: a big station wagon meet these new fuel economy standards. 517 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 7: So we'll buy SUVs because those those are not those 518 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 7: are not deemed to be passenger cars. And so then 519 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 7: one of the one of the side effects of that 520 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 7: is that vehicles that were originally designed to be trucks 521 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 7: that is to say, for off road adventures and for 522 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 7: hauling then became passenger vehicles by default, you know. And 523 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 7: then and then then you had the scolds, the fuel 524 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 7: economy skulls railing against the suv, you know, because because 525 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 7: they because they didn't have the same fuel economy as 526 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 7: passenger cars. But the popularity the suv was directly created 527 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 7: by the by the the decimation of the market for 528 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 7: station wagons caused by the fuel economy broke. 529 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: They didn't want to go down this road. 530 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the other side of this, which 531 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: came out yesterday, the discussion of affordability. I think I've 532 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: already seen one story again to go back to Toyota 533 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: about Toyota finally bringing back the small entry level high 534 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: lux pickup truck. Doesn't need all the bells and whistles. 535 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: As something else, Let's talk about the affordability issue and 536 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: how the mandates drive up the cost of a of 537 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: a car. 538 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 7: Yes, well, there, the Department of Transportation is estimating that 539 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 7: it's roll back of the fuel economy requirements, which which 540 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 7: we can get into in a moment if you want to, 541 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 7: but that will that will basically avoid about nine hundred 542 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 7: dollars in cost purchase cost per vehicle. 543 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: Wow. 544 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 7: And and now you know, the thing is that there 545 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 7: there have been, there has been so much ratcheting up 546 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 7: of the costs of vehicles and to produce them by 547 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 7: various regulatory requess including especially I think the fuel economy 548 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 7: requirements over the decades, that the average vehicle today, the 549 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 7: average new vehicle is something I forgot. It's forgotten exactly, 550 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 7: I think, but it's over forty thousand dollars. And so 551 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 7: already a whole bunch of middle income households are priced 552 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 7: out of the market vehicles. I know that we the 553 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 7: Lewis household hasn't had a new car in just decades, 554 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 7: and we keep buying used cars because we you know, 555 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 7: that's that's what we can afford. But but the thing 556 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 7: is so that every time that they lay on another 557 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 7: regulatory requirement, like, for example, the Biden administrations of vehicle 558 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 7: program estimated and this is it's the Biden administration's own estimate, 559 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 7: which is probably on the low side, estimated that automakers 560 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 7: would have to spend seven hundred and sixty billion dollars wow, 561 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 7: over a twenty I think it was a twenty one 562 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 7: year period, or maybe it was, maybe it was twenty 563 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 7: six seven hundred and sixty billion dollars to comply. Well 564 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 7: gets who ends up paying the freight for that? 565 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: Right right, right, right, so another three quarters of a 566 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: trillion dollars added on to the consumer costs. I mean, 567 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Marlow again, big kudos to you guys as CEI. You're 568 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: doing the work, you're taking your time to do it. 569 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Big congratulations on this, my friend. 570 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 7: Well, thank you so much, Andrew. And you know you 571 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 7: you were, You're a CEI, a competitive Enterprises to suit alum. 572 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 7: So you yes, you can. You you have a share 573 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 7: in the in the in the reflected glory, all right, 574 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 7: but yeah, and also I congratulate you on your taste 575 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 7: in music, Bobiger. You know I do better than that. 576 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: I gotta love that. Listen. 577 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: All I know is my dad's listening right now. And 578 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying this because I know he's going to ask 579 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: me about it. I'm going to start lobbying early Marlow 580 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: to be the MC of next year's next year's annual 581 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: gala dinner. 582 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: It's at CEI. 583 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm putting I'm putting it in now, planting my flag. 584 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to I want to m see the dinner 585 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: next year. 586 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 7: Well great, and I will definitely if to the extent 587 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 7: that I vote on these matters here at CEI, I 588 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 7: will have to vote in your favor. 589 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: I know. 590 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Listen, I would, I would say I would, I would, 591 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: I would race I would race Kent across the English channel. 592 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: But that is never going to happen. So anyway, Marlo, listen, 593 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: Happy holidays to you, my friend. Thank you so much. Andrew, 594 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: take care. Marlo lewis from the Competitive Enterprise Institute CEI 595 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: dot org is the website. Check them out. They do 596 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: great work on these regulatory issues. Yes, they're near and 597 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: dear to my heart, they are so vitally important. We're 598 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: going to talk about Trump's moment with Sean Duffy, about 599 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Pete bood Edge edge in justin listen, I'm on an 600 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: Indiana station, you know, or right, no, we're syndicated, but 601 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: you know broadcastings originating from an Indiana station. Pete footage 602 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: engineer and dear to everybody's hearts, here, I'm Andrew Langer. 603 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: This is Tony Kats today. You know it's funny, and 604 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Landon and I coordinated this better. We would have we 605 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: would have played I can drive fifty five. When we 606 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: started talking about the car stuff, we would have played 607 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, would have been good Land and the LEDs 608 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Upen with Jerry. We'll get this at some point. I 609 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: will get this down. I'm Andrew Langer. Everybody, Hi, how 610 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: are you all doing? You know you can check me 611 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: out at Andrew underscore Langer on Twitter. I obviously don't 612 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: do radio full time. I do love it, though, I 613 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: do policy work, which is what we've talked about with Marlowe. 614 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: We were talking about with a Beth Van Dyne. But 615 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: you know I do take both seriously. But if you 616 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: want to find out what I'm up to on the 617 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: regulatory front, on the policy front, I sit at the 618 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: intersection of healthcare and regulatory policy. Check out my Twitter 619 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: feed at Andrew underscore Langer. We may do a deeper 620 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: dive interview with Congresswoman Vandyne. I do a podcast called 621 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the Lunch Hour through an outfit called the Federal News Wire. 622 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Those clips I tend to tweet out. You'll see those 623 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: once a week, thirty to forty five minutes about weighty 624 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: public policy issues. Well, we'll take thirty seconds and explain that, 625 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, politics to me, is the art of getting 626 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: things elected. It's the it's the horse trading that goes 627 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: on when you're getting legislation passed. But the policy side 628 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: of it, which is how we go about solving the 629 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: problems that are out there, that's always. 630 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: Been much much more interesting to me. 631 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, how do you what are the problems that 632 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: we've identified in society, and how do you go about 633 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: solving those problems. You know, we want to make a 634 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: climate that is more small business friendly. What do we 635 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: need to do to make it easier for businesses to 636 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: form and for businesses to thrive and grow, et cetera. 637 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: Those are the things that interest me. 638 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, the issue of affordability is fundamentally a public 639 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: policy issue. People use it for politics. Let's hear from 640 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: President Trump on this. Let's play cut number sixteen. 641 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 8: It's all about affordability, all about it. They never talk 642 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 8: about like the specifics. Everything was through the roof. Eggs 643 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 8: when I cook over, eggs were four times higher than 644 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 8: they ever were. We got the prices down to the 645 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 8: lowest level. 646 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean amazing, But. 647 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: They never you got to watch they're great con people. 648 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: It's like the. 649 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 4: Inflation Reduction Act and after they got it approved because 650 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 4: everybody said inflation reduction. They admitted it had nothing to 651 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 4: do with producing inflation. 652 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: It was all about the kind we can end it there. 653 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: But then the Ford CEO in the wake of this 654 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: was on Fox I think this morning and literally talking 655 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: about what they were able to do. Let's play cut 656 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: number eighteen. 657 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 9: It's a really important improvement for US customers. What you 658 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 9: should know is that this is a victory for affordability 659 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 9: and common sense. As the President said, you know, we 660 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 9: will be able to offer more affordability on our popular models, 661 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 9: and we'll be able to launch new vehicles build in 662 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 9: America that are more affordable because of this rule change. Frankly, 663 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 9: Cafe was totally out of touch with the market reality. 664 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 9: We were forced to sell evs and other vehicles. We're 665 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 9: not going back to gas clozers. We have a lot 666 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 9: of evs and a lot of hybrids at Ford. But 667 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 9: now customers get a chance to choose what they want, 668 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 9: not buy what we force on them. 669 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: Right, you want something that's reliable, that is affordable, et cetera, 670 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: et cetera. That you know, instead of making all these cars, right, 671 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: when you make a bunch of cars that nobody wants 672 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: it drives up the cost of everything else. But there 673 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: was this moment yesterday with Trump and Sean Duffy, Tress 674 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: Secretary of Transportation. Let's play out number nineteen. 675 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 2: What was contrary to the law of the Congress that 676 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: a rule that says you have to look at combustion engines. 677 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: Biden and Buddha Judge actually did an analysis. 678 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 3: Using edge Jedge Judge, right, Judge used EV and hybrids 679 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: to come up with a too. 680 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: So you know, listen, if that had been Joe Biden, 681 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: Joe Biden would have butchered it entirely. I mean, Joe 682 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: Biden would have you would have said, you know, we 683 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: would have said Buddha Judge and Joe Biden would have said, 684 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: oh no, it's a transportation secretary. 685 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: Is Ray Donovan? 686 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: Right? It would have been pulls out somebody who is 687 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: dead and long and buried. And by the way, the 688 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: media would have completely and blithely ignored it. But the President, 689 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, he says this, The President makes a quip, Oh, 690 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: they'll they'll probably find some way to spin that, you know, 691 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: say that he's like Admiral remember Admirald Stockdale from the 692 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two presidential elections. 693 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 2: Who am I You know, on. 694 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: The stage, they're going to say that there's something wrong 695 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump because he introducted about Pete boot Edge Edge. 696 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: So listen. 697 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: That've been a nice little moment yesterday, a moment of levity, 698 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: which to me is a good sign in all of 699 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: these things. I want to I want to say, once again, 700 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: as always, thank you so very much to the folks 701 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: here at Tony Katz's home studio, Matthew of course, and 702 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: Tony for inviting me, Landon for doing his great production 703 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: as always and putting up with with my nonsense. 704 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. We got it, We got it done. 705 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: We got it done today Landon, as I said, you 706 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: want to find me, find what I'm up to Facebook 707 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: dot com, Slash Andrew langer Show, but also at Drew Underscore. 708 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: Langer On X. 709 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: Have a great Christmas season, guys, have fun and stay safe.