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Speaker 1: Well, it's always dangerous to play the old podcast game

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Speaker 1: during a free agency, but I guess we'll attend something

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Speaker 1: here on Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kevin Bowen.

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Speaker 1: This is another edition of Colt's Corner with myself, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Bowen and a little emergency pod here. Eddie and Ile

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Speaker 1: regroup at some point this week, and so we sit

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Speaker 1: here right now. A trade of Ziara Franklin. You know,

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junr just got traded as well. Alec Pierce

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Speaker 1: back on a four year daily expectations, Daniel Jones will

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Speaker 1: be back. You know, I still think the Colts want

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Speaker 1: to try and do something of note in the defensive front,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, continuing to try and create cap space.

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Speaker 2: And give yourself in a position to do that.

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Speaker 1: Will certainly be a question here, but you know they

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Speaker 1: have already started to do that a little bit here

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Speaker 1: this offseason. So yeah, I guess I'll just kind of

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Speaker 1: go over all the moves so far in chronological order

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Speaker 1: as best we can hit a couple of squitter questions again,

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Speaker 1: the time sensitivity of the podcast, I want to get

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Speaker 1: something up. I realize things can fully changed pretty pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: but I had a chance to kind of catch my

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Speaker 1: breath after posting a few things, and thought, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's do a little.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, going back to the Franklin trade, I

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Speaker 1: And you know, as we sit here right now, that's

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Speaker 1: obviously Pierce kept he was the one that had to

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Speaker 1: and the Zira trade. You know the fact that they

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Speaker 1: just need some insurance with the Forest Buckner in that net.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important to keep on pointing out

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