1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: So big day in Washington, d C. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Is Trump and Zelenski and other European leaders are set 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: to meet here coming up later in the day. Obviously, Friday, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: it was Trump and Putin in Alaska. And I'll tell 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: you what, Jerry, they did something smart over the weekend. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: Theyving the Trump administration. They kept Trump away from the 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: reporters as far as I could see, and they sent 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: Rubio to the talk show circuit. 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: And he is really good at his job. 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: Oh, he's he might be one of the best people 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 3: at his job within this administration. I don't think you're 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: gonna be very hard pressed to find a better person 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: in a position in this administration is better than Rubio. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he is perfectly fit for that position. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people Trump has that he appointed 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: him or picked him because it's like, oh, there's celebrity 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: or whatever. And I think Rubio is actually really good 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: at at that at that job. And so he did 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: all the all the talk shows over the weekend. I 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: mean he was on like four or five of them. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: And he's just a really good he's a really good, 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: consistent messenger. And what will be fascinating aside from a 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: place on this audio here from. 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: Ruby over the weekend. 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: But what will be fascinating is is we look to 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: the next election because I think Rubio now and Vance 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: are the two most closely associated with Trump, and if 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: you're a Trump only type of voter, those are probably 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: the two guys you're gonna look at and it will 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: be interesting to see how that because both of those 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: guys want to be president. 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I'd add Desanta set list, who's kind of Trump light. 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem for Desantas is his campaign was so 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: bad the last time, and he's you're looking at two 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: years where he won't be in the spotlight, like he's 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: not going to be able to do anything from a 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: governance perspective. But yeah, I agree, I think those are 38 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: your I think that's those three if he if Desanta's 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: gets in, and then everybody else, but man, Rubio is 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: just perfect. Like We're gonna play several of these clips, 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: and the consistency in the messaging and the way he 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: relays it is so good. So the first one is 43 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: from Fox News. He was on with Maria Bartiromo and 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: was talking about and this was a wide ranging interview, 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: but he explains, because Trump is the left, some of 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: these squishy Republicans, they're up in arms that Trump even 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: took the meeting, And I thought Rubio did a good 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: job of explaining why Trump took the meeting with Putin. 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: If at some point it becomes clear that both sides 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: are so far apart and so dug in that we're 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: just not near a peace deal, then the President will 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 4: have a decision to make about how much more time 53 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: do we invest in it and what actions does he 54 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: take then. But I want everyone to understand if tomorrow, 55 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: if this morning the President woke up and said I'm 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: putting these terrible strong sanctions on Russia, that's fine. It 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: may make people feel good for a couple hours, But 58 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 4: here's what you're basically saying. You're saying talks are over 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 4: for the foreseeable future, for the next year or year 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: and a half, there's no more talks because there's no 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 4: one else in the world that can talk to him. Okay, 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: Putin's not going to with Macron, he's not going to 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 4: meet with the UK. With all due respect to these leaders, 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: none of these leaders are going to be able to 65 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: bring him to the table and talk to them. There's 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: only one leader in the world that has any chance 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: of bringing these two sides together. If there is a chance, 68 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: there's only one leader in the world that can do it, 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: and that's President Trump, and you forfeit that role the 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: minute you put additional sanctions on him. We may get 71 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: to that point, unfortunately, but if we do, it means 72 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 4: that peace talks are no longer possible, and that would 73 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: be very unfortunate because the real world ratifications are that 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 4: while we're here calling each other names and doing TV 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: interviews about this stuff and all that, in American politics, 76 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: there are people who today will be injured and killed 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: in the battlefield and in cities in Ukraine on the 78 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 4: front lines and even in Russia. 79 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's spot on, and I get that 80 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: most people that are like mad that Trump met with Putin, 81 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: they're doing it for political posturing, political points, whatever. But 82 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: it's ludicrous to think you're going to solve this issue 83 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: without Putin being a part of the equation. 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: Right, right, And he's right. The only person that can 85 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: hold this conversation is Trump. Sure, And the best thing 86 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: that Trump could do is just not talk to reporters, 87 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: like you said, it would go flawlessly. 88 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Let let Rubio do the talking. He's great, Trump 89 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: will negotiates some sort of deal, but like, like Putin knows, 90 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: the world is not going to send troops into Ukraine. 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: And as long as the worlds are going to send 92 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: troops into Ukraine, then Russia will forever at worst be 93 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: able to stalemate the Ukraine. They have grown over the 94 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: past several years, in small margins, they've been able to, 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: I think, quote unquote win the fight, although I think 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: it's been you know, a relative draw with the with 97 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: the other countries supplying ammunitions, et cetera. But like, how 98 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: would you and on what planet would this thing get 99 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: resolved without Trump and Putin's sitting down. 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: Hey, the most gangster thing I've ever seen a long 101 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: time was when Trump was greeting Putin and then the 102 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: stealth bomber and the and the four jets fly right 103 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: over Putin and Trump and pot and Putin takes kind 104 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: of like a step back, and Trump kind of grabs 105 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: him by his arm, kind of like I could have 106 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: had to there. 107 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: Bud got okay, so Rubio. Then he was on Meet 108 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: the Press. My gosh, the CBS and the in the 109 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: NBC shows, they're so bad. I mean, these hosts you 110 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: think about it at one point, some of the great 111 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: names that have been Tim Russert, et cetera. And it's 112 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: like these, I mean, these people are just awful. But 113 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: he was on Meet the Press and he was talking 114 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: about the idea of a ceasefire, which he says is 115 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: still on the table, but the ultimate desire is to 116 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: end the war. 117 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 4: Is a ceasefire now off the table, mister Secretary, No, 118 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: it's not off the table. I think what the President said, 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 4: In fact, you just read it on the air a 120 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 4: few moments ago. It was agreed to by all that 121 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: the best way to end this conflict is to a 122 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: full peace deal. There's no doubt about that. I mean, 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: who would be against the fact if tomorrow we came 124 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: to you and said we have a full piece deal 125 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: and it's done. I think that's the best way to 126 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: end the war. Now, there needs to be a ceasefire 127 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 4: on the way they are what we've advocated for that. 128 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: Unfortunately the Russians as of now have not agreed to that. 129 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 4: But the ideal here, what we're aiming for here is 130 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 4: not a cease fire. What we ultimately are aiming for 131 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: is an end to this war. 132 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: Like this question is just ridiculous. Are you saying a 133 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: ceasefire is no? 134 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Of course not. 135 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: But it's like, why would you even waste your time 136 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: focusing on that. Clearly this thing is going to go 137 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: on whether it stops and starts. Ask Israel and Palestine. 138 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: These ceasefires, they mean nothing, It'll start up again. Like 139 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: it's just like the questions from the mainstream national media 140 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: on this jury, they're just these people are ridiculous. 141 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: I think. 142 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: I think the sad reality about media in this country 143 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: is it's so polarizing. 144 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: It is black hats, white hats. 145 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: They cannot give Trump a win, even if it's for 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: the betterment of our country. And there's a lot of 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: people on the right that will not give a win 148 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: to the left even if it's for the betterment of 149 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: our country regardless, and I think it does us all 150 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: a disservice. 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: All right, So a couple more clips here from Rubio, 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: and again, like I said, they ought to just let 153 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: him talk on everything. 154 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: Trump should just never talk in public. 155 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: I want to go back to that interview with Maria 156 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: Bartiromo and he being Rubio addressed the idea that the 157 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: media of the left tried to make this a big deal, 158 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: that no deal was made, right, and he addressed the 159 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: ridiculousness of anybody walking in there thinking a deal was 160 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: going to be cut in this meeting with Trump and putin. 161 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: First of all, if you recall that, there's no way 162 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: you can have a meeting like that, And we never 163 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: said there was going to be a deal coming out 164 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: of the meeting because the Ukrainians are not there. This 165 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: is a war between two countries. It's not America, Ukraine 166 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: and Russia. We met with a Russian side, We've spoken 167 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: repeatedly with the Ukrainian side. We'll see them again tomorrow 168 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: in person, along with our allies in Europe. So I 169 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: do think some progress was made in that talk in 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: terms of narrowing down the issue set. And now these 171 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: are hard issues that remain, you know, the conversation about 172 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: where the territorial lines are going to be, questions about 173 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: long term security guarantees and who Ukraine can have military 174 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: alliances with, things like that. These are difficult things. But 175 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: I do believe we've made progress in narrowing down the 176 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: issue set. But there's a lot of work that remains. 177 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: There's still this is a there's a reason why this 178 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: war has been going on for three and a half years. 179 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: It's a war that never would have happened had President 180 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: Trump been president, but he inherited it and now he's 181 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: trying to do everything he can to bring about peace. 182 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: He's made peace a priority of his administration. As you've 183 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: seen with all the peace deals we've been able to 184 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: achieve throughout the world, this one's the hardest one. Everyone 185 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 4: acknowledges that, but he's the only one in the world 186 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 4: that has any chance of doing it. Look, peace may 187 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: not be possible at the end of the day, we 188 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: don't know. But if it is possible, he's the only 189 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: one that can get it done. 190 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I like, I don't. 191 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that Trump did that was 192 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: a massive mistake is on the campaign. 193 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: Trails that I'll solve this in twenty four hours. Well, 194 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: he said that about everything. Well and that was it, Yeah, Ebstein, 195 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: all of it twenty four hours, and he didn't deliver 196 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: on any of that. 197 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: None of what Rubio is saying is remotely bad or 198 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: unreasonable or anything. The only problem is we're eight months 199 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: into Trump being president and now you're just now getting 200 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: down to this, and he made the definitive statement, right, 201 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: So when you do that, and I guess you got 202 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: to try to win campaigns. And so much of what 203 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: Trump says is hyperbole or whatever, but he really he 204 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: really makes himself look foolish when the fact that they're 205 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: grinding so hard eight months into this thing. 206 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to me, it's really hard just as a vet. 207 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: These two guys are going to meet to have a meeting, 208 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: and not one of them is just going to square 209 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 3: off from the other one. And you have people that 210 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: are out dying for your causes and you guys can 211 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: sit down and cordially have a meeting. Well, and it's 212 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: hard for me to understand you're the ones sending people 213 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: to die. 214 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: I want to play. 215 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: One more clip here and then I'll address that. So 216 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: Rubio was on ABC, Like I said, man, he hit 217 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: all of them. He just boom boom boom, sent the 218 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: right guy. And yeah, absolutely, And he rejects this idea 219 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: that the left trying to say that this meeting to 220 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: come bring full circle on this, that they that this 221 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: meeting elevated putin. 222 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: I mean, critics of President Trump are always going find something 223 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: to criticize. You don't pay attention to it anymore. But 224 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: I will tell you this, Putin is already on the 225 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 4: world stage. He's already on the world stage. The guy's 226 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 4: conducting a full scale war in Ukraine. He's already on 227 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: the world stage. He has the world's largest tactical nuclear 228 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: arsenal in the world and the second largest strategic nuclear 229 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 4: arsenal in the world. He's already on the world stage. 230 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: When I hear people say that it elevates him, well, 231 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 4: all we do is talk about Putin all the time. 232 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: All the media's done is talk about Putin all the 233 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: time for the last four or five years. That doesn't 234 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 4: mean he's right about the war. That doesn't mean he's 235 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: justified about the war. Put all that aside. It means 236 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 4: you're not going to have a peace agreement between Russia 237 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: and Ukraine. You're not going to end a war between 238 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: Russia and Ukraine without dealing with Putin. That's just common sense. 239 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: I shouldn't even have to say it. 240 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 5: He's right. 241 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: It's the like, and I get this all the time 242 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: when we have people on that like our audience doesn't 243 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: like and they're like, I can't believe you would give 244 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: that person a forum. 245 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: Why they exist? 246 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: It's like it's equivalent of saying with Vladimir Putin that 247 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: if Taylor's Swift, If Taylor Swift people called and said, 248 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: will you have Taylor Swift on your show? And we 249 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: have Taylor Swift, people would say, I can't believe you 250 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: would give Taylor Swift, who's a big lefty of for him, 251 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: as though people aren't going to know who Taylor Swift is. 252 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: Right if somehow she's not on the Kendall and Casey show. 253 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: It's the same thing here. He's a guy, he exists. 254 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: He is the number one part of this equation since 255 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: the US ain't involved in the war. From a troops perspective, 256 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: whatever Putin decides to do is how this thing is 257 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: gonna go, and he can make it go as long 258 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: as he wants to go, because he knows nobody's gonna 259 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: put ground troops in there against him. It is so ridiculous. 260 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 2: I can't believe that they would elevate him like that. 261 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: Everybody already knows who he is. 262 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's really up to Putin when this is over. 263 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: When he decides it's over, it's over. Until then, he's 264 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: just gonna be bleeding American taxpayer dollars in the Ukraine 265 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: because they got US fully funding this war. 266 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of Russia and Ukraine, you will love this 267 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: next segment. Some Ukrainian sniper allegedly did something and I've 268 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: got to ask. 269 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I believe. 270 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna ask, I saw. I don't know 271 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: if I believe. Okay, let's we'll get into when we 272 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: come back. Jerry's in for Casey ninety three WIBC. 273 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So I think this segment's gonna be fascinating. And 274 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad Jerry is here today. It's Kennell and Casey Show. 275 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm Rob. 276 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: Jerry's in for Casey because, as we laid out last week, 277 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: you were you were a member of the US military. Correct, 278 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: thank you for your service. 279 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it even though I was a contractor there 280 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: at the end. 281 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: Some guy got mad because at the end you were 282 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: a contractor. Why are we thanking him? Okay, so the Sun, 283 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 2: but that's that's a British paper. I think the publication 284 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: The Sun has an article claiming that some Ukrainian sniper 285 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: set the world record by killing two Russian soldiers with 286 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: a single bullet from two point five miles away. Now, 287 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: we did the math on this because I looked up 288 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: how many yards are in a mile, and according to 289 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: the Internet, that's seventeen hundred and sixty yards. So to 290 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: break that down, that's seventeen point six Lucas Oil Football Stadium. 291 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: Like you go to the Colts game, the link of 292 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: that field, it's seventeen point six. If you multiply that 293 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: by two and a half, you come out to what 294 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: forty three forty four. So this guy allegedly killed two 295 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: people with one bullet from forty four Lucas Oil foot 296 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you lined those. 297 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: Up two point something miles how long. 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: That would be. To give you that's the best perspective 299 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: I can I can cut. Like the guy live in Brownsberg. 300 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: It's like shooting somebody in Pittsburgh. I mean, imagine driving 301 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: your exits in two miles. He's shot from there and 302 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: hit somebody at the exit. 303 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That is so I call BS. 304 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: It just didn't happen. This didn't happen. I mean I 305 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 3: don't think it happened because I just saw a special 306 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: As soon as I. 307 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Saw him, think, I was like that seems far. 308 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: So I'm comparing this to the law, the law longest 309 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: one we had in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a sniper war. 310 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: It's all mountainous. It's not like Iraq, Iraq was urban fighting. Afghanistan, 311 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: you get killed by somebody who't even knows around you, right, Yeah, 312 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: the longest confirmed that's because of elevation, mountainous. 313 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Terrain and all that. 314 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: So the longest confirmed sniper kill in Afghanistan was made 315 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: by a British soldier and his name was Craig Harrison, 316 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: who eliminated two Taliban insurgents from a distance of twenty 317 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: seven hundred yards, which is one point five miles. That 318 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: is nothing compared to what these people are legend happened. 319 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: So this would be an additional mile on the all 320 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: time high from Afghanistan. And that guy said, when they 321 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: shot this sniper bullet, there was a ten second flight time. 322 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: What so they shot the bullet ten seconds later the 323 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: target if they hit the target, yeah, ten seconds later 324 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: it hits the target. There's no way he killed two 325 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: with the fifteenth to seventeen second flight time. 326 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 327 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, I just that seems 328 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: and I get that there's all this new technology with 329 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: weaponry and they can do amazing things, and I get 330 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: all of that. 331 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: That's far. That just seems that just seems very far far. 332 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no other way to say it. That 333 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: is far two point five miles. 334 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So can I ask you a question? Yeah, did 335 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: you ever when you were in service? Because I know 336 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: one of the reasons you were picked and you did 337 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: two tours in Iraq was because you looked the part. 338 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I could mingle, you could go amongst the people, and 339 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: so basically what they're saying is the Cuban refugees look 340 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: the same as the Iraqi. 341 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: I know what they're saying. 342 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: Did you ever have to use your weapon on someone 343 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: of the other side. 344 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Whilst in combat? Definitely? 345 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: But our theory was all like we, uh, you never 346 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: want to die for country? Yeah, like you want the 347 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: other guy to die for his is what we used 348 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: to say, right. 349 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: So that there was never I mean obviously like they trained. 350 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: It's kind of like do you Crainans and Russians like 351 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: they don't know each other? Yeah, but you're here fighting 352 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: and I want to go home. 353 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Did you have to be like did you have an 354 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: instinct that did you have an instinct that I could 355 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: take another man's. 356 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Life or did that have to be instilled in by 357 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the middle. It's true, is it? Yeah? Yeah, always think 358 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: about it. But you can't think about it because then 359 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: we'll all die. 360 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: Because it's like like I could take somebody's life if 361 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: they were threatening me. Like if someone broke in my house, 362 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: I would have no problem shooting somebody in whatever, Right, 363 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: Like if I were if somebody is threatening TU, and 364 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: I guess in a weird way, that's what they're doing, right, 365 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: they're threatening you. You're sent there by your country, right, 366 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: they are threatening you. They would they would kill you. 367 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: So it's really not that much different. 368 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: No, one of us is not going to make it home. 369 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's but so like to your point about 370 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: the training aspect, it's if you and I are walking 371 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: down down some road somewhere and you get hit by 372 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: an ied, you step on something that blows up, boom, 373 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: You're gone. 374 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I can't sit there and start crying. Yeah, if I 375 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: do that, we're all gonna die and it's immediate. Go 376 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: back to your training, all right, what do we do this? 377 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: You don't even think about it? Thank you for your contracting. 378 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 379 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back, 380 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: Casey Smith from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is going to 381 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: join us. They have a huge update on this case. 382 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: We broke the story here at Kendall and Casey a 383 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: few weeks ago involving Tom Kleinhelter, who is the Dubois 384 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: County sheriff, a big political ally of Governor Mike Brawn. 385 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: He was accused of impropriety related to money from the 386 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: jail Commissary Fund. Former State Police Superintendent Doug Carter came 387 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: on our show and felt that there were some serious 388 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: red flags into this guy getting cleared by a special prosecutor, 389 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: and then the detective who or the state police officer 390 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: investigated the case, we got punishment from the state Police. 391 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just it's a like an incredible 392 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: story and I cannot believe it really wasn't until Carter 393 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: came on our show that this sort of blew up 394 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: across the state. Anyway, Casey said them, the Capitol Chronicle 395 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: has a big update on this. She's talked to Bronze people, 396 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: She's talked to klein Helter, she's talked to a special prosecutor, 397 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: and so we'll talk to her about that coming up 398 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: next Kennel and Casey Show, ninety three WIBC. So it's 399 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: the stories that broke here on Kendalyn Casey and now 400 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: another news outlet here the city has done a deeper 401 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: dive ninety three WIBC. It is the Kennell and Casey 402 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: Show and Rob Casey's out today, Jerry Lopez in for Casey. 403 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: And of course we're talking about a couple of weeks 404 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: ago when former Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter came 405 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: on this program and talked about an investigation into Tom Kleinhelter, 406 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: the sheriff into Boys County, and klein Helter was alleged 407 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: to have committed some improprieties related to money being spent 408 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: in the commissary. It sparked an eighty page probable cause 409 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: affidavit from the State Police, and then early this year, 410 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: once Carter stopped being State Police superintendent, the investigation went away, 411 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: and the Indiana Capitol Chronicle has now done a deeper 412 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: investigation into this, a deep dive. You can read about 413 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: it now over Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com and Casey Smith, 414 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: who wrote the story, joins us now. 415 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Casey Smith, Hello. 416 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: Hi, Thank for having me. 417 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: Okay, so you guys, Carter came on our show and 418 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: basically said, hey, this thing really stinks. We felt we 419 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: had a strong case against Clinhelter. Braun becomes the governor, 420 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: Braun is super close with Clinhelter, the case goes away. 421 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: What did you guys find as you did your deep dive, 422 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: because I know it was a sort of a team 423 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: effort over there at Capitol Chronicle when you started diving 424 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: into this case. 425 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, so we obviously heard the former superintendent interview with 426 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: you guys, and given that he was formerly the superintendent, 427 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 6: that he was the longest serving, had a lot to say. 428 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 6: And when you bring the governor into this, and there 429 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 6: was a lot that was said, we wanted to look 430 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 6: deeper into kind of what happened. I hadn't heard of 431 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 6: this case or incident Donal Dubois County before this, so 432 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 6: obviously immediately went to try and figure out a what 433 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 6: happened with the investigation, you know, what involvement if any, 434 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 6: was there with the Governor's office or other agencies, and 435 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 6: what what happened with the special prosecutor. You know, there 436 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 6: there were all sorts of different pieces of this and 437 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 6: so we got some some additional information and or at 438 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 6: the end of this from the state police, for example, 439 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 6: about the discipline that the second investigator on the case 440 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 6: that he faced. I did talk to the special prosecutor 441 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 6: down in Orange County who was the one who was 442 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 6: considering criminal charges against sheriff client Helter, talked with lots 443 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 6: of other folks just to try and get a or 444 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 6: picture of what did or didn't happen. And what we've 445 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 6: kind of got in the piece is we we did 446 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 6: get the proble cause after David and so we did 447 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 6: get a chance to look at that. We get we 448 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 6: looked deeper into the investigation that is p did again 449 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 6: tried to get to the bottom of boy charges weren't filed. 450 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, the governor's office 451 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 6: has vehemently denied any UH interference in this and that 452 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 6: from what we've gathered, at the end of the day, 453 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 6: I can't tell you why the exactly the social prosecutor 454 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 6: down south made the decision not to file charges. She 455 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 6: didn't think. What she told us was that she didn't 456 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 6: think that there was enough to file criminal charges, and 457 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 6: that she had those concerns for months and months before 458 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 6: in February of this year, she ultimately decided could not file. 459 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: Casey Smith is our guest from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. 460 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: They have a big X was up now on the 461 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: case of Tom Kleinhelter. Of course, if you're familiar with that, 462 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: that's because we sort of broke this story. Former State 463 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: Police Superintendent Doug Carter came on our program several weeks 464 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: ago and talked about this investigation into the Do Boys 465 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: Caddy Sheriff and how he really felt that the current 466 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: current state Police, in addition to this special prosecuter down 467 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: in Orange County, dropped the ball. So that was what 468 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: was interesting to me. Casey was huddleson the special prosecutor 469 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: down in Orange County. She did tell you, hey, I 470 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: didn't think there was enough to go forward with it, 471 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: but she did. She didn't really from the article go 472 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: into any sort of detail on why no. 473 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 6: And I talked to her about this. She did make 474 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 6: pretty clear when I spoke to her that she she 475 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 6: didn't think there was enough for criminal charges and that 476 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 6: she said that she had had those concerns for for 477 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 6: several months. So not to get too into the weeds 478 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 6: on this, definitely should should listen back and read the story. 479 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 6: But this was a month long I see the investigation 480 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 6: that had started initially back in July of twenty four. 481 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 6: There was an investigator switch up in September of twenty four, 482 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 6: and Holly told me that as far back as that 483 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 6: September when she was meeting with investigators, but she wasn't 484 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 6: sure if there was going to be enough here. And 485 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 6: that was kind of the extent of what she explained. 486 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 6: And he didn't go into. 487 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: So real quick. 488 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 5: I just caught it because there's so much. 489 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: Obviously, we spent a whole hour with ug Carter, So 490 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: we're trying to do this here with you in about 491 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: ten minutes, but just for people who may not be 492 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: familiar with the case. Again, basically, this Sheriff Tom Kleinhelter, 493 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: who is a political ally and bile Account's close friend 494 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 2: of Braun. The governor was accused of using money out 495 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: of the Commissary, which is the jail fund, to take 496 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: these trips and he took his wife on the trips 497 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: with him, and the State Board of It flagged in 498 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: by to get from State Board of Accounts. State Board 499 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 2: of Accounts ended up turning it over to to in 500 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: the hands of Indiana State Police, ended up in the 501 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: hands of this special prosecutor, and ultimately they put together 502 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: an eighty page probable cause affidavit. Now you touched on 503 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 2: another thing with this, which, obviously, given this guy Kleinhelter's 504 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: relationship to Braun, people were concerned about that. Braun says, Hey, 505 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: we didn't have anything to do with this. 506 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, very very firmly. So yeah, no, no involvement. 507 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 6: This was the special prosecutor's decision to make you know, 508 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 6: didn't have anything to do with it, and just to 509 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 6: know it was for this all also came out of 510 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 6: a state Board of Accounts audit initially, and that's kind 511 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 6: of what flagged. That's how this got forwarded over to 512 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 6: state police investigators. And it's like what you said, it 513 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 6: was use of those commissary funds for I don't remember, 514 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 6: I don't remember verbatim what it was considered, but unauthorized 515 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 6: use of those funds for his wife to travel with 516 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 6: him with these conferences. And then there were also some 517 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 6: gift cards and blacktops drills that were purchased, and so 518 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 6: that's kind of what got flagged there. 519 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: Spending Carter basically told us, he said, look, if I 520 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: and I don't know if this is directly how he 521 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: was quoted, but this is what I recall being people 522 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: go back and listen to the interview. Everyone should read 523 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: your piece. He basically said, well, the excuse is the 524 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: guy paid the money back. But he said, if I 525 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: rob a bank and then I put the money back, 526 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: as I recall, he said, it doesn't mean I still 527 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: didn't rob the bank. And you didn't get any feel 528 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: from the special prosecutor on why she felt that didn't 529 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: rise to the level of criminal criminal behavior. 530 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's exactly what's laid out, and the probable 531 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 6: cause affidavit too is maybe maybe some different things that 532 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 6: were happening around the time that or between the times 533 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 6: the State Board of Accounts flagged the spending when it 534 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 6: got paid back. That's kind of what the investigator was 535 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 6: trying to get at. There's maybe there was some more 536 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 6: intent here to to move money around in different ways. 537 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 6: But again it's based on the what the Social prosecutor 538 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 6: told me, based on the public statements that she set out. 539 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 6: You're exactly right. It seems to be that because the 540 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 6: money was eventually paid back, that maybe kind of closed 541 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 6: the book on this now that doesn't Some other folks 542 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 6: I've talked to have said, Okay, well, criminally sure, but 543 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 6: I guess technically the the county, the commissioners, they there 544 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 6: could still be some civil liabilities there if they wanted to, 545 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 6: But I've not gotten any indication that that's something on 546 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 6: their on their mind. 547 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: Casey Smith from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is our guests. 548 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: Just a couple of minutes left with her. She's got 549 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: a fabulous new piece out on a story we broke 550 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: here on the Kennel and Casey shown, which is former 551 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: State Police Superintendent Doug Carter raised big concerns about this 552 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: investigation into Tom Kleinhelter, the sheriff of Dubois County, close 553 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: political ally of the governor. I think the thing that 554 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: Carter is very upset, but I think he's very upset 555 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: that the charges weren't filed. But I think he's also 556 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: very upset the Jeff Heron, who he felt was felt 557 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: is a phenomenal state police officer who investigated this case 558 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: got some discipline from the Indiana State Police. Can you 559 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: tell us what you found out about that? 560 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is Jeff here, and by the way, this 561 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 6: is the same guy who these are these are two total, 562 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 6: two different magnitudes of cases here. But Jeff Hearn is 563 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 6: the same guy who led the Jamie oldcase down South 564 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 6: that did later lead to obviously but that is still ongoing. 565 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 6: But when he was the second investigator to get put 566 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 6: on this case, and yeah, he kind of did a 567 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 6: mini version of that investigation here. Obviously did he put 568 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 6: this giant proble cause after David together, He talked a 569 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 6: lot of folks. He was building, you know, building a 570 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 6: case here. And when this February, the past February came 571 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 6: along and the decision was made by the social prosecutor 572 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 6: not to file charges, he was upset. There's contention over 573 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 6: an email that he sent to her after that decision 574 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 6: was made, but there was there was also what we 575 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 6: ended up finding out when we got the disciplinary records 576 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 6: and the state police, so there was some discipline related 577 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 6: to that. Just unpre professional not non professional conduct is 578 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 6: what they're saying was in that email. We read the email, 579 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 6: I think it could. I think anybody could read it 580 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 6: both ways, depending on how you read it. But then 581 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 6: he was also disciplined for sharing the probable cause after 582 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 6: David without permission from the superintendent of police, and he 583 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 6: shared that with I believe, a county commissioner and a 584 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 6: county councilman, and so they considered that a violation of 585 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 6: state Police rules and regulations. So he he was disciplined 586 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 6: for that. He was suspended for a couple of days. 587 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 6: But I think even more critically what Doug Carter has 588 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 6: especially taken issue with is this is one of the 589 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 6: State Police's, you know, best investigators maybe ever, and he 590 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 6: went from doing that kind of work to kind of 591 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 6: being put in a in a nothing I guess, quote 592 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 6: unquote a nothing type of position in the basement where 593 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 6: he worked for the Fusion Center. So and he also 594 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 6: cannot teach at the Law Enforcement Academy anymore, which is 595 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 6: I think that's important to them, And so that was 596 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 6: another thing that Doug and others had taken issue with. 597 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: Well, look, I've been trying for years on this program 598 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: to get Nikki kellyed off her opinions on things. Since 599 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: you won't do it, and I'm sure you won't do 600 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: it either, so I'm not even gonna try. But I 601 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: do want to say the piece is phenomenal, and I 602 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: think you tell you got to all the all the players, 603 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: and I think you took it a step further than 604 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: what we did on this program. Look, I think there's 605 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: as we talked about earlier in the show. I think 606 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: there's still a ton of red flags out here about this. 607 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: But you guys the Capitol Chronicle, you guys always do 608 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: excellent work, and Casey Smith, this is no different. 609 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time today. 610 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. Yeah. 611 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: It's kettl Casey Show ninety three WIBC. Alright, so he 612 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: has an update on a topic that. 613 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: Jerry and I delved into earlier. It's Kennel and Casey Show. 614 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: I'm Rob Jerry Lopez in for Casey. Jason Hammer. 615 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, So you guys were talking about how Spanglish 616 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 7: went to the gas station to get a big fountain 617 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 7: beverage and they didn't have straws. 618 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: Yes, So I feel like this is kind of my 619 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 5: wheelhouse here. I am a convenience store officionado. I think 620 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 5: it's a little ridiculous. 621 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 7: I do not have an endorsement with Get Go or 622 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 7: wah wah or Speedway or somebody. I'm more than happy 623 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 7: to be your huckleberry because I go to these places. 624 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 7: But what I have found and maybe this is my 625 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 7: side of town. I don't live in fancy Schmancy, Noblesville 626 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 7: or Brownsburg. Yes, I'm a Marion County very fancy. But 627 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 7: it seems like they've taken the straws away from the 628 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 7: fountain machine and they put them up by where you 629 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 7: check out the pay because I've been told by one 630 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 7: of the clerks drug addicts come in and just grab 631 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 7: straws by the handful and just take them back for 632 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 7: various drug activities. So I would assume that means snorting stuff. 633 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 7: But I also don't know enough about drug use. I'm 634 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 7: sure there's probably other things. 635 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: Now, you you have been associates in roommates, et cetera 636 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: with people who would know about that, but you personally 637 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 2: don't know, right. 638 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 7: I used to live in a house, but hop Rob 639 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 7: which some of them, He's going to tell you the 640 00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 7: story before. I lived with six other roommates and I 641 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 7: was like the choir boy out of that group, right. 642 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 5: And I did some living back in the day. 643 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 7: But I'd come home from class one day and these 644 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 7: were the type of dudes that would be cooking drugs. 645 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 7: I don't know how you do that, right. Something you 646 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 7: would see like loak dog doing and don't be a. 647 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 5: Medare it is. 648 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got the chefs like, yeah, they're making stuff 649 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 7: I've never heard of before. 650 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: Jerry ever done a drug that would require a straw 651 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: of any sort. 652 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: And I could either confirm nor to deny the existence 653 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: of anything that requires a straw, But no, I mean, 654 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: I don't know why you would go to a gas 655 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 3: station and grab a handful of straws. 656 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: If that's what you were doing with these. 657 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 7: Bums though, that would take them. Then they take them 658 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 7: back to their bum community and. 659 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: Trade your straws out for things that I get. I 660 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 3: almost had to drive all the way to Wisconsin just 661 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: to grab a straw. It was the dumbest thing in 662 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: the world. 663 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: By the way, did you see that they're not tearing 664 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 2: down the Fountain Square homeless camp? 665 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 7: Now that's gonna stay up. There's more there now than 666 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 7: there was before. The Come to Jesus letter bum community 667 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 7: made me think of that. They ain't written straws. They 668 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 7: got all Jerry Stress over there right now. I'm on 669 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 7: my way fountd Square. 670 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: You were fascinated with another story we did earlier about 671 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: the lady who's making money trying to get men to 672 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: she's hired by women to try to get their boyfriends 673 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: or husbands or whatever to cheat on them with her. 674 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 7: So it's the smoking Hot Smoke show. Chick looks like 675 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 7: some sort of AI Instagram model almost she's real, but 676 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 7: she's real, and her job is to go out and 677 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 7: try to bang your husband or bang your boyfriend. 678 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 5: Right, that's what she gets paid to do. 679 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Because if you. 680 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: Can resist her, the theories, you could resist any woman 681 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: if you can say no to her. 682 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: Right. 683 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: So, and I heard you talking about how maybe maybe 684 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 5: we should put Jerry out there to do this. Maybe 685 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 5: you know, we'll find out what ladies are cheating or not. 686 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 7: And then the genius panel turned on inside my head. 687 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 7: What if we had a whole WIBC branch of that. 688 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 7: Oh So, ladies, if you've ever, you know, wondered what 689 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 7: it would be like to have a romantic encounter with 690 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 7: Tony Katz. You imagine you hear a knock on the 691 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 7: door and he's dressed like Deuce Bigelow. You know, he's 692 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 7: got the flowers, the shirt's unbuttoned and it's Tony Katz 693 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 7: and he's ready to take your girl out, maybe for 694 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 7: a night of poundtown, like and maybe it's Rob Kendall. 695 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 7: You know, maybe Rob shows up at the door. And 696 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 7: I asked Crystal about this earlier at the coupon Lady, 697 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 7: and I said, hey, would you be okay if I 698 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 7: volunteered my services? 699 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 5: She was like, just be home in time to cut 700 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: the grass. 701 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: That's funny. 702 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 7: I kind of get the oppression. It's just you'll be 703 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 7: on top of somebody else for a change. 704 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's ridiculous that we live in a 705 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: world where this exists. But this, if you're this lady, 706 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 2: it's like she's not doing anything. She's just probably sitting 707 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: at home in her pajamas because you know, she's not 708 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: dressed the way she has in those photos. 709 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 5: And yet she's. 710 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: Getting what a great gin and it's more acceptable than 711 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: only fans. 712 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, I'm not mad at this woman at all. 713 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 7: That's like the dream job. She's going to make six 714 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 7: figures going around banging other people. 715 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: We don't even even going that far, just flirting. 716 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 5: She doesn't even show up today's. 717 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: Setting up a bris does have to go that far. 718 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 7: But I mean, what you get to the point of 719 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 7: no return, why are you going to turn back? 720 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look at that, like Like we said, though, 721 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: shouldn't the red flag be unless your wallet is the 722 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: size of a musk or a bezos or whatever. This 723 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: woman's not gonna have any interest in you. Shouldn't you 724 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: if you have an IQ above seven? Shouldn't there be 725 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: a giant red flag? Why is this person talking to me? 726 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: Point of order. 727 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 7: We've all been to a gentleman's club at some point 728 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 7: in our life, and we've all got that one friend 729 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 7: that thought the stripper was into it. 730 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: That's fair. 731 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 5: I got news. 732 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I have a friend that married one. 733 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 5: The stripper's not in to you. 734 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeahs from the service that go. They got divorced, but. 735 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 5: She cleaned him out. 736 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was. 737 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 5: She pretty much as into strip club by the army base. 738 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: She knew what the deal was. Let me grabble these 739 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: gis in. It's game up. Yeah. I knew a guy. 740 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't exactly say it was a friend, but I 741 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: knew a guy who engaged in a I guess you'd 742 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: call it a relate or in his mind, it was 743 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 2: a relationship with someone in the dancing industry. And once 744 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: the money was gone, she disappeared and he was like, 745 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: all just broken up about it, and it was like, 746 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: that's what she did, dude. 747 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 7: Like I taught my kids at thirteen, when you go 748 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 7: to the strip club, listen, they're not into you. Like 749 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 7: this is lessons you could take when you get your 750 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 7: first fake ID like I did, and you start going 751 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 7: to these joints. 752 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 5: They're not into you. Go there and have a good time, 753 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 5: but they're not into you. 754 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: I had a friend who for years ran various known 755 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 2: dancing institutions here in the Greater Indian Apples area, and 756 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: he used to say the girls who made the most 757 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 2: money were not the best looking ones or the best dancers, 758 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: it was the ones who could sit there and talk 759 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 2: to these guys, because that's what they were paying for. 760 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 5: Low key. 761 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 7: I love how like Rob is like the conservative, he's 762 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 7: got a friend that's done everything. I could talk about 763 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 7: some guy that chopped off three heads. I once had 764 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 7: a friend that may or may not chopped off three 765 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 7: people's heads. But Rob knows everybody that's done something shady. 766 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know, it's just it's what I do. 767 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 5: Robin is shady friends. 768 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 3: Here, my wife, no, I bet you're going out with 769 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 3: your shady friends again. 770 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: All right, Hey, what's up this afternoon? 771 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 5: IMPD Chief Chris Bailey will join us. 772 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 7: We'll talk Indiana, Nazis and some other stuff. Monday, Gun 773 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 7: Day with Guy Ralford and biggest stories of the day. 774 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: Let's gettle The Casey Show ninety three w IBC