1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Live from the heart Band and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: It's Tony Cats Today. I favorite districting. 3 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: And for some reason, in the state of Indiana, this 4 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: has become a a your issue and the President has 5 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: now weighed. And I live in this state. I do 6 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: a morning show in this state, the largest morning show 7 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: in the state. 8 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: I would say, so, I will Tony Katz Tony Katz today, 9 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: good to be with you. 10 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: This show is heard across the state. People have opinions. 11 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. But I've heard a lot 12 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: of opinions about redistricting that involve a tremendous amount of 13 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: what can only be described as nonsense. 14 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: Now it's not that. 15 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: It's nonsense because I want to do and somebody else doesn't. 16 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: In the end, that's how people vote, right, do you 17 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: want something, do you not want something? 18 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: And so they're going to go to their elected officials 19 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: and say do. 20 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: This or don't do those. But I want to make 21 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: the conversation clear that it isn't a fool's errand and 22 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: the arguments against are very much not in concert with 23 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: any rational thought. This has been going on for a while, 24 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: the push for redistricting. There are nine congressional districts in Indiana, 25 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: Republicans hold seven. 26 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: So the question as well, so you want to redistrict 27 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: for the other two, you want to readdistrict because the 28 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: Democratic Party. 29 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: Has done so in California, is doing so in Maryland, 30 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: well Tony. Texas did it first? Concede Texas did it first? 31 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Texas engaged a legal process, a political process to change 32 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: districts and draw the lines for congressional districts, the congressional 33 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: maps that would give the party in power and advantage. 34 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: That party is the Republican Party. Texans could then decide 35 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: what they do about this. And in that conversation has 36 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: come a conversation that's happening right here in Indiana, which 37 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: is the idea of well, if you draw the draw 38 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: the lines differently, you're disentranchising these voters. 39 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: No, you're not. That is a lie. So stop it, 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: and I want you to call people liars who say 41 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: such a thing. It is. No one is disenfranchised. 42 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: No one took away anybody's vote with a differently drawn line. 43 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: Was any vote taken away with the lines drawn as 44 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: they are? 45 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: You might have in your district a more Democrat leaning, 46 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: more Republican leaning, and you're the other way. Was your 47 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: vote really taken away? Absolutely not. You still have your vote. 48 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: No one was disenfranchised. It is a lie, so we. 49 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: Should at least call it as such. 50 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: The opportunity Texans have if they don't like this redistricting 51 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: is they can vote out their local state legislator. That's 52 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: the proper recourse in a political process. And I left 53 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: it at that. Then California said, well, we're going to redistrict. 54 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: Oh so now it's about retribution. Well, if it's about retribution. 55 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: Holy hell, game on kitten. 56 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: Because in the retribution game, Democrats are very very good 57 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: at this and Republicans are very very bad at this. 58 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: And part of the reason Republicans are. 59 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Very bad at this is because Republicans think that somehow 60 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: there are rules that they are supposed to be playing by. 61 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: They're fully aware that Democrats don't play by the rules. 62 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: They are fully aware that the Democrats are understanders of power, 63 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: are utilizers of power, and they don't apologize for power, 64 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: and every single thing they do is to amass more power. 65 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: And they don't care how they lie, how they scream, 66 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: how they cajole, how they manipulate, how they bus nothing 67 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: they've shown you. Republicans are very concerned about how it looks. 68 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: We're concerned about, well, is this the right thing to do? 69 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: And then they kind of suck on their thumb and 70 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: wet themselves and hold on to their wood being say mom, 71 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: is it okay? Also, can I have ice cream? And 72 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: you're like, are you Joe Biden? And they're like, I 73 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: don't know. Is that what you want me to be? 74 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: Because I'll be whatever you want me to be, Just 75 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: please don't hurt me. That's the Republican Party. And what 76 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: Trump has done is said you have to fight. 77 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Now. 78 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: Some people thought you have to fight like Trump, and 79 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 2: that's not one hundred percent true. 80 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: You have to be willing to fight. 81 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: And the most recent thing we saw about this is 82 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: Republicans seeing Democrats screaming and yelling about the shutdown. Republicans said, 83 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: we voted for the continuing resolution. 84 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: Vote for it. We could talk about the other things. 85 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: Everyone should be amazed that Republicans in the shutdown. 86 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: Didn't crack, because that's what everybody was expecting. That's what 87 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Democrats were expecting. 88 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: They don't care whether they're in the majority or they're 89 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: in the minority. They know how to wield power. They 90 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: know how to apply pressure, and Republicans in the main 91 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: throughout history. 92 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: Have capitulatedidden on the shutdown, and man, there's a real 93 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: learning lesson there. No one is disenfranchised by the changing 94 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: of the drawing. 95 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: Of the lines. 96 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: This leads us to the idea of fairness. You take 97 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: a look at your state right now. You take a 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: look at how the lines are drawn, and you tell 99 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: me what is fair about it? Go out, I'll wait. 100 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: Fairness does not exist in the drawing of a congressional line. 101 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: Fairness is the thing you tell your kid when you 102 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: want them to share the legos with the other kid, 103 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: so everybody will stop complaining and you can go back 104 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: to watching whatever it is you're doom scrolling on Facebook. 105 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: That's what fairness is. Actually, that's not even fair, that's 106 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: just bad parenting. Fairness does not come up in this 107 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: conversation at all. Fairness was when everybody who is a 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: legal citizen of the United States got to vote, and 109 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: then they've voted for elected leaders, and those leaders then 110 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 2: were imbued with certain levels of power, and the question 111 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: is why don't you use it? 112 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: And now what you're saying is because they won, they 113 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: shouldn't be able to use it. Oh no, no, no, no, 114 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: well they use it. It's not fair. 115 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: Stop it. Fairness is a child's argument. It is not 116 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: a factual argument. It is not even a decent argument, 117 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: and it is an argument. Now the political right in 118 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: Indiana and everywhere else should push to the side. Then 119 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: I was told, well, you know, the overwhelming amounts of 120 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: people in Indiana were called hoosiers. By the way, hoosiers 121 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: don't want this. Some of those polls had a resounding 122 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: fifty one percent. 123 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: Of people who were opposed. 124 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: If you think that fifty one percent is overwhelming, I 125 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: don't think you understand what a poll looks like. And secondly, 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: don't blame me because Republicans have done a crap job 127 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: of selling the story Democrats will oppose everything Republicans do. 128 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: So am I really supposed to pay attention to their 129 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: part in this poll? What does that matter in a 130 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: political process where the Republicans won the seats? It doesn't. 131 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Now you might say, specifically to your district, well, if 132 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: this happens, I'm not going to get reelected because there's 133 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 2: many Republicans and independence of an issue. You could make 134 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: that argument. That isn't the argument being made. The argument 135 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: being made is it's somehow overwhelmingly. 136 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: And no it's not. No, it's not. 137 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 2: It's a political process. Abortion in the state of Indiana 138 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: is overwhelmingly not wanted. If Democrats had power, abortion would 139 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: be legal up until the third grade. 140 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: Did I say anything that isn't true? The answer is, 141 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: of course not. 142 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: We're having a conversation about power and the utilization thereof. 143 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: One of the questions has been is this all about Trump? 144 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: Trump wanted the redistricting? Well, I think Trump did start 145 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: this thing. And by the way, we should be clear 146 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: that just because your redistrict doesn't mean it's gonna work. 147 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean it's gonna work. It's very possible that it 148 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: doesn't work. Everything has a downside, Everything is a risk. 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: I concur with that. So did Trump? Was he the 150 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: first person to say yes? Does it make it wrong? 151 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: No? 152 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: And the follow up this is somehow this is really 153 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: going to energize Democrats? That that might be the most 154 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. It isn't going to 155 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: energize democrats. Trump hate energizes democrats, not policy, Trump hat, 156 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: not economics, Trump hat. That's the whole thing. If Republicans 157 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: don't redistrict. Do you think Democrats are going to like you? 158 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: You think they're going to vote for you if you 159 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: don't in the state of Indiana vote for redistricting Republicans. 160 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: Do you think any Democrats going to think, well, finally, 161 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: he's not Hitler. You don't believe that, do you. You 162 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: don't actually believe that you will be loved, do you? 163 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: They might? And Republicans seem to be concerned about this 164 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: idea that it will energize democrats. Maybe you should be 165 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: more concerned about energizing Republicans and independents and moderates and 166 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: the people in your state economic success, lower taxes, expanding 167 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: education to the trades. Put out your vision, execute on 168 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: the vision, succeed. 169 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: And show your success, show your work, and tell your story. 170 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 2: You're so worried about making a move because the other 171 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: guy's going to get angry. You're not making enough moves 172 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: to show all the people in your state what a 173 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: good job you're doing. And you're sure as hell aren't 174 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: selling it. You're not you know it, I know it, 175 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: we all know it. Let's not kid each other. That's 176 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: the whole point of this. Let's not lie. 177 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: You win by being bold and engaging policy that helps 178 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: all the people of your state. So the idea that, well, we're. 179 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Not going to vote for this because it will energize 180 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: democrats is a weak response, is a childish response, is 181 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: a fear based response, and says to me, you shouldn't 182 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: be a representative of mine. 183 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: Know how. Finally, let's talk about the why. 184 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: What is the value of redistricting, Tony, What is it 185 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: that we win we're playing on this federal level. I 186 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: would argue that your state legislature has a responsibility to 187 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: the nation. I oppose the direct election of senators, and 188 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: if you know me at all, you know that I 189 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: always have The direct election of senators took place in 190 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen the seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. 191 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: I have always always opposed this. 192 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: I'll read it. 193 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: By the way, The Senate of the United States shall 194 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: be composed of two senators from each state, elected by 195 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: the people thereof for six years, and each senator shall 196 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: have one vote. Senators used to be selected by the 197 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: state legislature, therefore more responsive to the state and not 198 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: as responsive to the whims of the people. 199 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: It was a. 200 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: Purposeful decision by the founders that the representative, thus being 201 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: having more of them, they would therefore be closer to 202 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: the people, closer to their needs, closer to their wants, 203 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: and yes, more able to move and rise with the 204 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: temperature that they're creating. They're hot about a subject, their 205 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: representatis going to talk about it. The Senate often referred to, 206 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: I think kind of weirdly as the cooling saucer for 207 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: the people who want to use that argument. Was there 208 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: to engage debate, the world's most deliberative body, not to 209 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: be moved moved by the whims. Well, you have the 210 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: direct election of senators. They're moved by whims. It was 211 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 2: a mistake and it took away states' rights. This is 212 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: your right, and you have a national responsibility. You have 213 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: a national responsibility to look at what's going on around 214 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: the country, how other states are acting and reacting and 215 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: ensure if anything, I don't know survival. 216 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: And you say to me, well, that's just a power grab. 217 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: And now we come back to it. All politics is 218 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: a power grab. Politics is power. Why are we pretending 219 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: somehow it isn't. Democrats don't have an issue with power, 220 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: and they don't care if you like it. They have 221 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: said so they want to pack the court. 222 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: I've got candidates for offits talking about it. I've got 223 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: the former attorney general talking about it. They use the 224 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: power to impeach Trump twice over nonsense. They couldn't even 225 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: get the second impeachment right. They have no problem utilizing 226 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: the power. A power grab, kitten, All politics is a 227 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: power grab. Let's grow up. Let's be people who are 228 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: honest Republicans in the state of Indiana. At least they 229 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: won and they can use their power to engage a 230 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: legal process, and if the voters have issue, the voters 231 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: can respond in their local elections. I can think of 232 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: nothing more conservative than that, nothing more American than that. 233 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: I believe we should redistrict. 234 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: And I think the arguments against are absolute bunk, childlike, 235 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: pablem unsirious. Doesn't mean I'm going to win the fights, 236 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: but I wanted to make sure I was clear about 237 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: the position. 238 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. 239 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: Just I guess a question that's out there, Why wouldn't 240 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: they been released the last four years when President Vien 241 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: was in office. Well, that's the question every American is asking. 242 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 4: Not every American, but so many Americans are asking what 243 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 4: the hell is he hiding? Why doesn't he want them released? 244 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: When you don't want something like that's released, When even 245 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: a whole lot of Republicans are calling for the release 246 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 4: his own party members, people ask the question, what's he hiding? 247 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: Chuck, Chuck Shure, Hey, Tony Kats, how are you good? 248 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: Good? Good? Good to see you good? 249 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: No? 250 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: No, no, I don't want a cheeseburger. 251 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: Please please, I don't want to ruin my appetite. 252 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: That wasn't the question, Chuck. 253 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: The question was about Joe Biden not sharing anything in 254 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: the Apstein file. 255 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: Just I guess a question that's out there. Why wouldn't 256 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 4: they been released the last four years when President Biden 257 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: was in office? Well, that's the question avery American is asking. 258 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: Yes, that is question that every American is asking, every American. 259 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: But so many Americans are asking you. 260 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Yes, so many Americans are asking why didn't Biden release 261 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: is The question was clearly, why didn't Joe Biden release? 262 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: What the hell is he hiding? 263 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: Why doesn't he want them released? 264 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 4: When you don't want something like that it's released, when 265 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 4: even a whole lot of Republicans are calling for the 266 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: release his own party members. 267 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: People ask the question. 268 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: What's he hiding? It's got to be answered by releasing 269 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 4: the files. 270 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: First, President Trump is now in favor of releasing the files. Secondly, 271 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: glad he's finally there. Third, we've been in favor of 272 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: releasing them since the beginning. Fourth, who in the world 273 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: taught Chuck Schumer that he should like hold up his 274 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 2: fists like he's really where does this? This is not 275 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: inspiring us to believe that you are strong. This is 276 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: us looking at you saying like you're saying to yourself, 277 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: I know I left my key somewhere. 278 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: Where are my keys? 279 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: It's an unseriousness that exists when they don't answer the 280 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: basic questions. And you can argue that there are plenty 281 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: of people of both political parties that don't answer questions. 282 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: But now that it's out there, now that it's out 283 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: there that we're going to release these things, are. 284 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: The Democrats going to sing a different tune? Is there 285 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: a how do I want to ask this? 286 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: What's the best way to ask this? How are Democrats 287 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: going to spin this to say, well, you see what 288 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: Trump's really doing? 289 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 3: Again? I will say it. 290 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: We have taken the subject of children being abused, and 291 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: we have politicized it. We took COVID a virus where 292 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: we should have all been unified and figuring out what 293 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: this is, how to deal with this and how to 294 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: live our lives normally, and we said, no, let's make 295 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: it political. Now we're going to do it with the 296 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: abuse of children. Well, that's just ugly, very very ugly. 297 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So there's 298 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: a series of stories for us to get to, starting 299 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: with Mexico, where the gen Z protesters got into a 300 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: clash with police. Over one hundred officers were hurt. They 301 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: are calling for more enforcement to prevent organized crime and 302 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: alleged government corruption. This after a assassination of a lawmaker. 303 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: This is sadly way too standard for Mexico. They're targeting 304 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: the President of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, criticizing her socialist political 305 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: background and her handling of the cartel. So they don't 306 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: want socialists. Interesting, very very very interesting. They did enter 307 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: the uh the it's not a palace, it's presidential. 308 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: I forget the name of the house. 309 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: I forget the name of the of the building. And 310 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: I haven't heard anybody say it's a kin to January sixth. 311 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Yet I'm a little shocked by this. But I think 312 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: this is interesting because you know, not everything means everything 313 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: to everyone and every nation the same way. So a 314 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: criticizing as news nation reports it of her socialist political background. 315 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. 316 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what that is supposed to signify. It 317 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: needs a little more in depth. Look, then there's Trump 318 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: suing the BBC for five billion dollars. 319 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: They did they doctored the speech. 320 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: They doctored his January sixth speech, and they took out 321 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: the part where he said peacefully protest, which is a 322 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: pretty big deal. He said that they expects a file 323 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: a damage's claim and that would be between one and 324 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: five billion dollars. 325 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: I have no idea how Donald Trump collects on this. 326 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: How in the world do you get the nation to 327 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: hand over five billion dollars to you. 328 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: The BBC did issue an apology. Two people did indeed 329 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: lose their jobs, but they did this. We are clear 330 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 3: that we have seen organization after organization after organization do 331 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: this deceptively edit. 332 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: And you always note that when people say it's a 333 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: mistake or that wasn't we weren't trying to do that. 334 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: It's always in the same direction. It's always against Trump, 335 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: it's always against the political right. Always, every time you 336 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: see an issue. 337 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: It's always in favor of this group and always opposed 338 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: to this group. 339 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: Always, always, always, always, there comes a moment you realize 340 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: that this is not. 341 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: Some kind of bug, This is a feature. 342 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: This is who they are, This is how they work, 343 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: whether it's the United States or other places. If you 344 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: are progressive in these positions, you feel that you are 345 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: somehow called to engage in absolute manipulation. And it is 346 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: an apt salute manipulation, and the manipulation is to keep 347 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: going a falsehood. It is clear that the BBC does 348 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: not care if they lie to the viewer. They want 349 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: to lie to the viewer. They hate the viewer. 350 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: And they want to only utilize the viewer to be 351 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: able to accomplish their goal, their agenda, their desire, their 352 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: want not to actually engage news. 353 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: News is the very last thing they're interested in. What 354 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: they're interested in is agenda. The agenda at Wendy's, you know, 355 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: the fast food place with the square burgers and the potatoes. Really, 356 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: I should have said the Frosty's and the more frosties. 357 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: Frosty sounds good right now. Someone bring me a frosty. 358 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: I will chocolate, which is the classic. I would take vanilla. 359 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: I like strawberry is ice cream. I don't think I 360 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: would like it as a frosty. And then they've got 361 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: some other flavor things. I'm like that that's just not okay. 362 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: So chocolate, arbanella. Someone can just bring me a frosty. 363 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: That would be great. You know who you are, and 364 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: you know where I'm at. Thank you. 365 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: Wendy's is going to close hundreds of stores. I do 366 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: not look at this as a conversation about. 367 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: The Trump economy, to as I was discussing with AI earlier. 368 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: I think during one of the breaks, we've got a 369 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: livestream going at YouTube YouTube dot com slash Tony Katch. 370 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: You can be a part of that five days a week, 371 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: starting at noon. There are things that are gonna happen 372 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: in this economy that have nothing to do with President 373 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: Trump and certainly aren't his fault. It's part of growth, 374 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: and the AI acceleration and explosion is going to lead 375 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: companies I think falsely to believe that people can replace 376 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: can be placed with the help of AI there's going 377 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: to be a lot of early trust in AI. As 378 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: we already know, there have been trillions of dollars invested 379 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: into artificial intelligence all over the place. Because they are 380 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 2: doing so, they're going to then utilize these tools and say, 381 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: how can we use this to lower corporate this or 382 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: lower other employee that lower costs, heighten the profits, et cetera. 383 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: This is a serious issue for somebody who follows the 384 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: America first mantra because that's also a bit of a 385 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: protect I shouldn't say a bit, it's also a protectionist mantra. 386 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: How do you protect American. 387 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 2: Jobs that are now being replaced by AI when Americans 388 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: are investing so much money into the AI. So people 389 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: are going to shed jobs. We've seen this from Amazon, 390 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 2: We've seen this from. 391 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: UPS, which also has to do with the post COVID 392 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: world with also has to do with a bit of bloat. 393 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: They could have just felt we've got too many people here, 394 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 3: we can do more with less. Why aren't we doing 395 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: more with less? 396 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: And so this AI world is going to mean a 397 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: shedding of employees and then Trump's economies. 398 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: Look, he's losing all these jobs. 399 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: You're not talking about the investment in the innovation side. 400 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 2: It's not an honest conversation. I think you need an 401 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: honest conversation all times. You need an honest conversation about 402 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: what we're seeing Wendy's, which is not really affected. 403 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 3: You could argue by the AI side, unless you're going 404 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: to talk about kiosks taking the orders and not people, 405 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: they're going to do a mid single digit percentage, So 406 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 3: four to six percent is what they're going to close. 407 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: So the approximate number of store closures is two hundred 408 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: and forty one. I would say that of all of 409 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: those fast food companies, one could argue that it's Wendy's 410 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: that's the most stale. Not not every company lasts forever. 411 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: I'm not an anti Wendy's guy. Again, Someone bring me 412 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: the frosties. I'm saying that as a level of marketing, 413 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: as a level of inside people's heads, McDonald's does a 414 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: far better job, Chick fil A does a far better job, 415 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: Burger King. 416 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: Did a whole refresh. 417 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: Wendy's could simply be in a place it's like, Okay, 418 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: we need to engage a level of reinvention. We've got 419 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: fantastic social media, but now we have to have fantastic stores. 420 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: You know, we forget that that is a part of 421 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: these things. It's not all just well, who's to blame? 422 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: Sometimes just time is to blame. The people of Staten 423 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: Island are blaming the other four boroughs. 424 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: So New York is five boroughs. 425 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: There's Manhattan, there's Brooklyn, there's Queens, there's Bronks known as 426 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: the Bronx, and then there's ston Island. Staten Island is 427 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: famous for having landfills. Staten Island is also famous for 428 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: being the most conservative borough. 429 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 3: Did a lot of driving through Staten. 430 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: Island to get to Brooklyn to see Graham Athel back 431 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: in the day. So one of the stories is is 432 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: that Staten Island lawmakers are taking a look into a 433 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 2: secession bill, something that I think has been discussed before. 434 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: And what they're saying is we have no interest at 435 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: all in being with these people. 436 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: They did have. It's a they did a vote, and 437 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: back in history, it might have been like one hundred 438 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: years ago, they talked about this. They don't want to 439 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: be a part of it. Manhattan and Brooklyn slap them around. 440 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: They end up paying more taxes. They don't feel they 441 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: get anything out of it. 442 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: What's the point of all this, it is is just 443 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: more example of people being unhappy with mom Donnie's victory 444 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: and what they. 445 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: Believe may very well come. 446 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: Now, this is happening in Oregon, where the eastern half 447 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: of Oregon they want to become part of something called 448 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: Greater Idaho. 449 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: And then there are a series of counties in Illinois 450 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: that would like to be a part of Indiana. And 451 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: in Indiana they're like, yeah, sure, we can make this happen, 452 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: but you need the state approval. You need Illinois approval. 453 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: No one's going to let these people go. Cook County, 454 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: which is Chicago, is just going to continue to abuse 455 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: these people. 456 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: People forget that there was almost a state called Jefferson. 457 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 2: This was northern California and a little bit of southern Oregon, 458 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: and so there was this proposal for this state called Jefferson, 459 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: and they were going to vote on this on December seventh, 460 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: nineteen forty one Pearl Harbor. 461 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: And that ended the vote, and that ended the push. 462 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: You know, the idea that we've got this map, we've 463 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: got these states and they all have to stay this way. 464 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: It's not true at all. But this is also a 465 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: great example. I saw this came up was this. Shapiro 466 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: was discussing that, you know, if you can't afford to 467 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: live in New York, maybe you got to move out 468 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: of New York. 469 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: And some people on the right were like, see, this 470 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: is the problem. We need to make it more affordable 471 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: for them. 472 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: Some places aren't affordable, you move to where it's more affordable, 473 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: and you then build your life there. 474 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: This is standard. This is the way all migration is gone. 475 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: The answer is, I gotta make it affordable for people 476 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: in New York. It's more affordable in Indiana, it's more 477 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: affordable in Nebraska, it's more affordable in Louisiana. 478 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: You don't want to live in those places. Sounds like 479 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: your problem. 480 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: So the people of Staten Island might have to say 481 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: to themselves, by Felicia and get out. There's something romantic 482 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: about this. They're not saying they want to leave the country. 483 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: That's not They're saying they want a better life, and 484 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: those people can't give it. 485 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: So let us have our independence, let us go. I 486 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't think. I don't think it's gonna work, 487 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: but I do like that people discuss it. 488 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. 489 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz Today, Newsmax is reporting that Democrats 490 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: want to push the housing crisis on President in twenty 491 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: twenty six. 492 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: I swear to you if there is not a better 493 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: example of do you want to solve problems or do 494 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 3: you want power? I do not know what it is. 495 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, so good to be here, 496 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: so good to be with you. Dems to push housing 497 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: crisis on Trump in twenty six. Shouldn't we want to 498 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: end a housing crisis. Shouldn't we want to think of 499 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: ways of engaging more affordable housing? Instead, Democrats want to 500 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: see how they can get a political victory, not solve 501 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: a problem. 502 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 3: Solving problems is not what it's about. 503 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: Jadie Van said, We've got to get our blue states 504 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: to build enough houses for their citizens, because the red states. 505 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: Of the federal government are actually doing a really good job. 506 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: Part of the problem is because I'm a I have 507 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: stated before that part of the issue is what we 508 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: have learned from all these remodeling shows and people say, 509 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a first time home buyer. I can 510 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: afford one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the house. 511 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: Has to have. 512 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: Granite countertops and standing steale appliances. The house has to 513 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: have a roof, maybe a door. It's a first home. 514 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: You don't need all those things. You don't need them. 515 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: Stop thinking that you have to have them. No you don't, No, 516 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: you don't, you're irrational. Well, I'm two years out of college. 517 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: I need a brand new sixty thousand dollars car. No, no, no, 518 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: you don't. 519 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 4: Know. 520 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: You certainly do not. And yes, chat room, you do 521 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: not need a fifty year mortgage. But as was explained 522 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 2: to me by Fingers molloy, who does eat, drink, smoke 523 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 2: with me, Well, if builders build homes to be able 524 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: to maximize, which I don't have a problem with, and 525 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: the house is there for a five hundred thousand dollars house, 526 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 2: how does somebody afford it when they're just starting out. 527 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 3: So they do have an issue that is actually not 528 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 3: of their making. That's a point that is a solid 529 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 3: legitimate point. 530 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: We also have a realization that younger generations see the 531 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: housing differently and they don't necessarily view home ownership as 532 00:34:53,320 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 2: the end all be all. How do we fix an 533 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: issue when we haven't perfectly defined what the issue is. 534 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: If the issue is the cost, how do you lower 535 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: the cost of building a home. If the issue is 536 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 2: the cost in New York City, why are we paying attention? 537 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: And then. 538 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 2: Are we engaging rationally with people about economics, their own economics, 539 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: about what they can actually afford and how they can 540 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 2: build towards something bigger and better. 541 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: This is Tony Kats today.