Speaker 1: The Frames per Second podcast.
Speaker 2: What's going on in ship Boy? Nick?
Speaker 1: I'm here with Kenneth B. Hollo.
Speaker 2: I am Spike Lou of the On Day TV show
Speaker 2: and another week in the books.
Speaker 1: How you doing, sir? What up?
Speaker 2: Mike Cetown? Hello?
Speaker 3: And we got the rights Modest Media and miss Naturally Nay.
Speaker 3: How y'all doing.
Speaker 4: Good? What's up?
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 3: You're now tuned into the Frames for Second podcast, And
Speaker 3: in this episode, we are concluding our weekly recaps of
Speaker 3: the hit HBO original series starrings in dea titled Euphoria.
Speaker 3: This recap is dedicated to season three, episode eight, called
Speaker 3: In God We Trust And just to let y'all know,
Speaker 3: this is the this is it I think I put
Speaker 3: I put in the chat. This is the final episode
Speaker 3: of the series, which is interesting because they didn't promote
Speaker 3: it like that. They just dropped it and said we out.
Speaker 3: So I'm curious to think how that impacts your thoughts
Speaker 3: on this episode. But I'll start with you Ken overall thoughts.
Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all can keep this last episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was.
Speaker 5: I'm good, But yeah, when you put that in the chat,
Speaker 5: I hadn't watched the episode, so but uh yeah, huh
Speaker 5: that's it.
Speaker 1: Damn Yeah.
Speaker 3: I waited long enough because everybody I thought everybody would
Speaker 3: have watched it before.
Speaker 1: The No, it didn't ruin anything for me.
Speaker 5: It just confirmed, uh, what we discussed last last week,
Speaker 5: you know. So I was like, oh, okay, so basically
Speaker 5: what everybody was feeling, it's more than likely gonna actually happened.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, I was like, okay, cool, so and
Speaker 5: that was cool. Like so now, I think from that
Speaker 5: point it was like, all right, so, how they're gonna
Speaker 5: wrap all this shit up?
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I think I'm good. I'm glad we're
Speaker 1: over and done with What about you? Lou?
Speaker 6: What a lackluster way to go out of a series?
Speaker 6: This episode was. They could have kept this Like King
Speaker 6: said that, I think they wrapped up everything that was
Speaker 6: important rather quickly and then gave us this fake Western
Speaker 6: shit showdown between two characters who we could have did
Speaker 6: find with If they never crossed paths the whole series,
Speaker 6: it would have been totally fine. So I didn't like
Speaker 6: the last episode. I'm with Ken that it should be over.
Speaker 6: It maybe could have ended last week, to be honest
Speaker 6: with you. That was a better ending episode, just leaving
Speaker 6: Ruth standing right there and that's wondering what the fuck
Speaker 6: happened to it. I think I may would have rather
Speaker 6: preferred that over this, You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 3: You was just there for a second. Uh, miss miss name?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this this final episode?
Speaker 7: My thoughts on the final episode is that it's actually
Speaker 7: it was actually better than I expected it to be.
Speaker 7: My expectations were the Pits of Hell, though, so it
Speaker 7: was better than the Pits of Hell.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't even know what that
Speaker 2: dates said.
Speaker 3: You sound like a nice version with Lucid, but Ron,
Speaker 3: what about you?
Speaker 8: I actually didn't mind it. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 8: I thought it was fun. I think with these shows
Speaker 8: and seasons, series finales, it's hard to please everyone, and
Speaker 8: I think they did the best that they could given
Speaker 8: the circumstances. I can't imagine what else they would have
Speaker 8: been would have done with such a star studied cast. Now,
Speaker 8: and you had to end it, so you're kind of
Speaker 8: forced to end this thing. So I think with that,
Speaker 8: with that, I think they did a decent job at
Speaker 8: at ending it.
Speaker 4: Honestly, if I'm if I'm being honest.
Speaker 3: Mike, you think it was decent or pitts of hill.
Speaker 3: Let me tell y'all something. It's it's always gonna be
Speaker 3: a good day when I agree with Rod. Okay, I
Speaker 3: feel I feel like my spirits are lifted. I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm I'm doing something right.
Speaker 1: No pun intended. That was all fun. That was all fun,
Speaker 1: but for real.
Speaker 3: No, I I I didn't have I had some gripes.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I thought it was good. I thought it
Speaker 2: was good.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought what they did worked. There are
Speaker 3: things that they could have done that would have worked better.
Speaker 3: But I don't have a I don't have any serious
Speaker 3: serious complaints.
Speaker 1: I just have a couple of gripes.
Speaker 3: But I think the stories wrapped up pretty well, especially
Speaker 3: the whole burning bush thing. I thought that they I
Speaker 3: thought they brought that home, y'all. So I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm I'm good with this.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, we'll get there. I guess
Speaker 2: I don't want to, you know, but I think they Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I was expecting you to be the one that
Speaker 2: that actually, uh brought that up.
Speaker 9: Eh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that they did bring that whole
Speaker 3: biblical story around with LEXI.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, now we'll get to it. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fuck up Nick's outline. I don't
Speaker 2: even know if we're gonna get son. Don't know if
Speaker 2: I got that in my notes.
Speaker 1: I was gonna let you cook.
Speaker 3: But now I'm thinking I might be wrong because niggas
Speaker 3: can't be crazy, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: It went nowhere.
Speaker 4: So I was confused.
Speaker 1: Mm. And jewels picture, well, go ahead, go ahead, and
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 4: And a Jewish picture.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not talking about jewels picture, but YESI she
Speaker 3: that that is what the picture depicted, which I thought
Speaker 3: was kind of corny. But I think when we were
Speaker 3: talking about the whole, you know, Israelites and Egyptians and
Speaker 3: the slavery and all that, and then you said, nay that,
Speaker 3: oh it's gonna be about the girls. It was so
Speaker 3: had had Rue not died, the girls would not be free,
Speaker 3: because Ali wouldn't have gone to the club and killed Alamo.
Speaker 2: Because it freed all the girls. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: they really they really thought this through.
Speaker 10: It was almost like.
Speaker 3: It was almost like when you look at the whole
Speaker 3: and this is nerdy, but like the whole you know,
Speaker 3: Anakin being the chosen one, but then people thought Luke was,
Speaker 3: but it was really Anakin because had Anakin not done
Speaker 3: what he did, then.
Speaker 2: Luke would not be there to do what he did.
Speaker 2: It was the same type of thing. So I think
Speaker 2: that I think that they really brought that home and
Speaker 2: I liked it they did.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 10: I didn't get that. I was I was too.
Speaker 7: I think I was too stuff on the Western aspect
Speaker 7: of it to really actually see. Yeah, the the you know,
Speaker 7: the actual free of the girls because I'm looking for
Speaker 7: like the trafficked girls to be I was looking for
Speaker 7: them even though they're probably dead at this point, so
Speaker 7: I did. I was, I was looking for Angel, So
Speaker 7: I wasn't really putting that together with the girls at
Speaker 7: the at the at the club.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I guess you can get there further when
Speaker 10: we get further along.
Speaker 3: And you can also add Maddie to the list like
Speaker 3: all of the girls that Alimo had under his thumb.
Speaker 4: You know, I was mad about that.
Speaker 2: I fucked with this episode.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of time to not because I
Speaker 1: had a lot of time.
Speaker 3: To think on it, and Rod you talked about it
Speaker 3: as soon as you mentioned your review of it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to end the show that's satisfying.
Speaker 3: And I'm realizing after watching the boys, after watching we
Speaker 3: did we did Game of Thrones together. We've done a
Speaker 3: few serious finales, and it's like brother average is low,
Speaker 3: you know, and for granted, like like Mike was saying,
Speaker 3: like we have we have gripes, of course, but I
Speaker 3: was entertained because I was pissed off. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a movie. When I looked at that run time,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a fucking movie. And then but
Speaker 3: then as I'm watching it, I'm like, there's sections that
Speaker 3: I could take and I can talk, we can have
Speaker 3: a long conversations about which we're about to get into.
Speaker 3: We start off this episode right where we left off,
Speaker 3: with Fade screaming Wayne's name as her and we were
Speaker 3: playing on stealing money from her safe from his safe,
Speaker 3: but obviously that didn't go well and now ru was
Speaker 3: on the run. Ken, What did you think about how
Speaker 3: we started this episode off with a chasing.
Speaker 5: Well, one, I think y'all getting soft, But two I
Speaker 5: think that, oh, sorry, you asked for it.
Speaker 3: That's like like not everybody ain't gonna say we're.
Speaker 2: Trying to get sponsors by that.
Speaker 5: But but no, I think I think that made sense
Speaker 5: because when you ended with the last episode, I was like,
Speaker 5: how the hell she gonna get out of this? So
Speaker 5: taking that damn wrench his ass on the knee, you know,
Speaker 5: really allow her to run an escape from him because
Speaker 5: it reduced his his ability to chase her down. Now
Speaker 5: he can't shoot worth the ship. But that's fine. It's
Speaker 5: you know, it's that I didn't expect him to his
Speaker 5: knee was thribbed. I think it's fucking ship was broke,
Speaker 5: so you know the only thing I didn't.
Speaker 1: Of course, they're gonna stick with this old Western thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, when dude through the rope called her
Speaker 5: ass by the knee, I'm like, what the fuck is
Speaker 5: Marshaw like?
Speaker 1: Why did what? What?
Speaker 5: What's going on? In any shotow of course? And then
Speaker 5: uh Marshaan was me when he was like run, get
Speaker 5: your ass up and run because I'm yelling at the
Speaker 5: I'm like, why did she get up and run?
Speaker 1: You know, I know she got dragged, you know, across
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 5: But but nah, I think how they did that made sense.
Speaker 5: From her punching the ship out of Fay hiding his
Speaker 5: ass on the knee and barely escaping up out of
Speaker 5: that tunnel. So I was cool with that, Yes, she did,
Speaker 5: and Marshan's relaxed how he was acting in the car.
Speaker 3: And what I loved about that scene, right was like
Speaker 3: they both from Oakland too, and it's like it was
Speaker 3: a it was a great way for like, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it was just a great connection. She's been
Speaker 3: having some great connections like behind the scenes in the show,
Speaker 3: and I like the fact that they've added that this
Speaker 3: season because it was, like, I know, they don't have
Speaker 3: a lot of nigga shit the.
Speaker 2: Clips, you know what I'm saying floating around. This is
Speaker 2: the most getting she with Tom Holland and Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 3: That's a fad way.
Speaker 10: She was a little more black back in the day.
Speaker 4: She was younger.
Speaker 10: Holly woodn't and got a hold of them.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Shane, marsha and Lynch black And that was when
Speaker 3: we got in this episode.
Speaker 2: So that's why I really fucked with that scene. What
Speaker 2: about you, lu I.
Speaker 1: Fucked with it.
Speaker 6: I fucked with the whole Marshawn Lynch part of it,
Speaker 6: y'all talking about I didn't too much like to escape
Speaker 6: part out of the house though, like they felt cartoon like.
Speaker 6: I feel like they're just trying to make something happen
Speaker 6: to get to another bigger point that I thought they
Speaker 6: was gonna make and not stretch the whole scene out
Speaker 6: throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 4: I thought. I that No, No, I don't feel.
Speaker 6: Like he didn't hear what she was trying to get
Speaker 6: up through when she was trying to get up through
Speaker 6: the barn thing, like I just think they was it
Speaker 6: just it didn't go together to me.
Speaker 1: I feel like they were just doing ship.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that secret was good.
Speaker 8: It was executed really well just from it actually, like
Speaker 8: from a producing standpoint, Like it was just the way
Speaker 8: they were going through that tunnel, like like that tight
Speaker 8: space like that, that that took planning to do it that.
Speaker 4: Like that. That was good. That was really good.
Speaker 3: Did you enjoyed that whole scene ride like this that
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 4: It was intense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was intense and and like you know, like said,
Speaker 8: she hit him on the knee, she punched her, she
Speaker 8: was running through it. I really didn't know when that
Speaker 8: horse that was on top, like you just didn't didn't
Speaker 8: know she was really gonna make it out. I think
Speaker 8: you were. You were kind of tense. You thought she
Speaker 8: that at this point she was gonna die. But but no,
Speaker 8: I thought they executed this, this whole thing well. I
Speaker 8: even liked the little bassa thing like. I like that too.
Speaker 4: I could have them broken niggas.
Speaker 10: I ain't like that.
Speaker 8: That's that's who they were, That's that's absolutely.
Speaker 10: Who That's fine, but I ain't got to see it.
Speaker 10: I felt it felt so, it felt racial as hell.
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be.
Speaker 10: It was supposed to be that great.
Speaker 2: I ain't like, so, you ain't like how we opened
Speaker 2: to see this episode. I like the tension.
Speaker 10: I like that, I like a ton of I like
Speaker 10: how knocking niggas out. I like all of that.
Speaker 7: Until we started lasting niggas and dragging them through the sand.
Speaker 7: I ain't need to see that. And I was happy
Speaker 7: as hell that mar shot ship out of him. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess they brought it back to a
Speaker 7: certain extent, but I was like, what, I ain't.
Speaker 1: Like it, Mike, what about you?
Speaker 3: I'm in between, Actually, I guess I'm in between all
Speaker 3: of them. I understand everybody's take, but I didn't mind it.
Speaker 2: But I do agree with Spike.
Speaker 3: It was cartoony the way she was going up the ladder,
Speaker 3: and the dude was kind of you know, his leg
Speaker 3: was broken. He was kind of moving until he got
Speaker 3: right up on her, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he was like sneaking up on her, and I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, why don't what are you doing? Are
Speaker 3: you trying to get her or not? So I do
Speaker 3: agree with Spike. That was a bit off, but I
Speaker 3: still enjoyed it. I was still tense. I did like
Speaker 3: when she grabbed the wrench. I thought she was gonna
Speaker 3: bust dude in the head, but the fact that she
Speaker 3: busted him in the leg and I was like, well
Speaker 3: that was kind of that was kind of dumb, but okay, fine.
Speaker 3: But then when she punched Faye the nose, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I like that because it was smart because if she
Speaker 3: punched her in the lip it she wouldn't have felt.
Speaker 2: It, so it was a good It was a good move.
Speaker 3: To punch her in the nose, but I really wanted
Speaker 3: Faye to get to get knocked out. Yeah, man, I
Speaker 3: enjoyed all of this, and I still don't know much
Speaker 3: about Marshawn Lynch, but I loved him in this scene.
Speaker 3: I do agree with Nay the roping was racial, but
Speaker 3: I do agree with Rod that it was intended to
Speaker 3: be racial. But I do agree with Nay that I
Speaker 3: don't always need to see it. But at the same
Speaker 3: time I get the point. So overall, I enjoyed the sequence.
Speaker 2: It was entertaining a hill to me like that.
Speaker 3: Again, this this whole season been cartoony in certain ways,
Speaker 3: so like it kind of makes sense to ending on that,
Speaker 3: especially if you wanted to go back to the whole
Speaker 3: Western thing, like somebody, somebody was gonna get it was
Speaker 3: either gonna be a pig, black person's racial.
Speaker 2: It was a racially char season. Like one of the
Speaker 2: other days they show pigs and they show rude and
Speaker 2: they was both in hand and hand.
Speaker 1: So but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: But what really took me was like once we see
Speaker 3: her get in the car with Marshaan again last episode,
Speaker 3: we know that Maddie told Alamo you got a fucking
Speaker 3: rat in your fucking house. So when Marshon took takes
Speaker 3: rude to see Alamo, I'm thinking, oh, this is what
Speaker 3: shit about the pop off flu? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and then he all acting all nice and shit, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, he about to
Speaker 3: just pull out a gun and shoot it. What did
Speaker 3: you think about that scene?
Speaker 1: Little?
Speaker 3: Because I was like, I thought that was tense in
Speaker 3: its own way. I agree with you. I thought that
Speaker 3: was tense.
Speaker 6: I thought that was good and I thought for some reason,
Speaker 6: that's what we were about to sit in the episode with.
Speaker 6: But it went by a little quicker than I expected.
Speaker 6: But they did a great job leaded up to it.
Speaker 6: Like you said, it was, it was tense, like you
Speaker 6: got to see, all right, she made it through that
Speaker 6: part of it, but Alamo still know what she got
Speaker 6: going on because he paused or whatever it may be
Speaker 6: when Mattie told him about it.
Speaker 2: So there was that thing lingering in the air there
Speaker 2: that they did a great job of.
Speaker 4: Sure, I don't even know why Maddy said that shit
Speaker 4: last episode that was.
Speaker 2: It didn't really even lead to anything even.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he killed off of that, that's right, the mind
Speaker 11: off of that, yeh off of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something about the d A and like, why would
Speaker 4: you say that that was dumb?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was just talking.
Speaker 3: But Rob, what did you think about their conversation between
Speaker 3: Rue and I don't know this early in this.
Speaker 8: Episode, No, this was this was this was really good.
Speaker 8: This is when just when he gave it appeals and
Speaker 8: this is a.
Speaker 3: Different yeah co product placement in that motherfucker.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I mean he was he was so so
Speaker 8: smooth with this that you know what I'm saying, basically
Speaker 8: gave gave gave it a sword, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 8: and it's just like, dang, it's like I can kill
Speaker 8: you without killing you, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 8: you're gonna kill yourself.
Speaker 4: And and at that moment, I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 4: I think was about to die.
Speaker 8: I mean because like it's either it was either lace
Speaker 8: with feminol or she was just gonna take the whole bottle.
Speaker 4: I know it was gonna be one of the other.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me that the bottle itself was the fenanyl,
Speaker 3: but the ones he had on the table was not.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm thinking, Like, like man, yeah, and in
Speaker 8: just the way he was just so smooth about it
Speaker 8: with the money, everything like really made her thought made
Speaker 8: her think that, yeah, he fooled me.
Speaker 2: Ship I'm like, did he not care?
Speaker 4: Did not hear what she said? Was he like?
Speaker 2: And to me? To me, Nate, I want to get
Speaker 2: your thoughts, but I also to ask a quick question.
Speaker 3: Should he be nominated for Emmy for this performance?
Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong, I like the animal character, but
Speaker 7: I don't think he did enough to get an Emmy nod.
Speaker 4: To me, mm hmmm, yeah, so many other.
Speaker 8: Great actors in this show for this season, Yeah, I
Speaker 8: think so.
Speaker 4: I think I think that some of them is still
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 3: Man like, yeah, oh okay, I got one, Okay, gonna
Speaker 3: get it over r Well, No, I was gonna say
Speaker 3: support like a supporting, but Ali's gonna get that.
Speaker 1: He's get that over him.
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's gonna get nominated except for Zinda
Speaker 7: in this show. Honestly, I think that because I mean
Speaker 7: that's been the history of the show. Now, I will say,
Speaker 7: Coleman potentially has a chance. I think to me, Coleman
Speaker 7: and Andya carried this show this entire season. To me,
Speaker 7: like I said, out a b C is good, but
Speaker 7: at a b c's out of b C. We're used
Speaker 7: to seeing him as a scary nigga, Like that's not
Speaker 7: super out of range for him.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: So you feel like in this scene where we're like
Speaker 3: he's talking to Ule, he's being super nice.
Speaker 7: That was just like, okay, it was it was he
Speaker 7: did a really good job, but it wasn't a layered
Speaker 7: performance to me.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: What were your thoughts on this scene, Mike. I thought
Speaker 3: it was super tense. I didn't know where it was going.
Speaker 3: Like you said, Nick, I he got me for a minute,
Speaker 3: but then I was like, no, this is Alimo. He's
Speaker 3: doing something sketchy. But then when he put the whole
Speaker 3: when he gave her the one pill, I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, that was probably not a great idea. But
Speaker 3: when he put the whole bottle down, I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: this is it. She's she's done. I mean, I knew
Speaker 3: she was gonna die this episode. I just did.
Speaker 2: But I was like, fuck, she's gonna she's gonna either
Speaker 2: she's gonna take.
Speaker 3: The whole bottle. I never at all thought about fentanyl.
Speaker 3: I it never even popped in my head. I just didn't.
Speaker 3: I just wasn't thinking about it at the time. I
Speaker 3: was just thinking because I didn't put together until after
Speaker 3: she died that he had given her two different pills.
Speaker 2: So in my head, when he put the pill.
Speaker 3: Bottle down, I was like, well, okay, well he took
Speaker 3: two pills out of that bottle and they both took him.
Speaker 3: I never thought about finanal, but I thought that he
Speaker 3: gave a really good performance here because he had me fooled.
Speaker 3: He had me fool that he was he was cool
Speaker 3: with her. I never thought that he was giving her
Speaker 3: the bottle to kill her. I thought he was just like,
Speaker 3: fuck it, whatever. I know, you're an addict. I bet
Speaker 3: you a lot of my girls in her addicts. You know,
Speaker 3: just take your ship and be good.
Speaker 8: You know the reason why I thought that might because
Speaker 8: earlier on he was like, you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 8: be working with me, don't do that shit. Stay off
Speaker 8: of that shit. You know what I'm saying. So why
Speaker 8: are you giving it to her now?
Speaker 2: I guess I don't.
Speaker 3: I believe that that happened, but I don't remember that
Speaker 3: that happened. But I believe you that he said that,
Speaker 3: So that part wasn't in my brain, grass.
Speaker 6: I said, I didn't say, but I'm on the same
Speaker 6: side as Mike. I didn't think that he was giving
Speaker 6: her Fintanyl. I thought she was.
Speaker 1: Gonna take the whole thing mm hm.
Speaker 6: And that's what threw me off in the sense of
Speaker 6: did he do went on purpose or not? And then
Speaker 6: when they tested it, of course it went out the window. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I definitely thought it was just it was.
Speaker 3: Just m Yeah, we're definitely gonna dive into more than that, Ken,
Speaker 3: Did you have any other thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think when the scene started,
Speaker 5: the first thing that one of the things I was
Speaker 5: thinking about was like, Okay, now you got it. He
Speaker 5: has to confront her about what Maddie said, and he
Speaker 5: was way too nice and appreciative of what she's done,
Speaker 5: and he had like.
Speaker 1: He completely forgot about it.
Speaker 5: And when he put the two pills on the on
Speaker 5: the table, I was like, oh, that's messed up and uh.
Speaker 5: And then she took it, and then you know, rewarding
Speaker 5: her because almost nice. He ain't that fucking nice and
Speaker 5: started giving her all these rewards and stuff like that
Speaker 5: and basically finding a way to get her to let
Speaker 5: her guard down. And then he just left the pills
Speaker 5: on the table and I was like, Okay, yeah, he's
Speaker 5: setting her up to take that ship because you know
Speaker 5: how addicts are, So he knew she was gonna take it,
Speaker 5: because if he didn't want her to take it, he
Speaker 5: would have He wouldn't put the shit on the table,
Speaker 5: just would have kept it in his pocket. So so yeah,
Speaker 5: So at first I was like, is he testing her
Speaker 5: to see if she would do it? But at this
Speaker 5: point when he did that, I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 5: is his way of getting rid of her with doubt looking.
Speaker 1: Like the murderer. You know, something happened.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, the saddest part about all of
Speaker 3: this is like he told her she did a good
Speaker 3: job and congratulated her. And if y'all remember it was
Speaker 3: their episode or two back, she was telling those cops
Speaker 3: that like, nobody ever tells her that she does a
Speaker 3: good job, and she gets she gets.
Speaker 2: It from him and then he fucking kills her.
Speaker 7: I didn't think that the pills was gonna take her
Speaker 7: out either at this point.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I was.
Speaker 10: Still waiting on them to come in like kill her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 7: So I was thinking, like he gave her the percoset,
Speaker 7: and because the fact that she said I used to
Speaker 7: love these, I was like, she's not gonna do it, though,
Speaker 7: she's not gonna take her. She's still California, and she was.
Speaker 3: She was she was fucking around with it too, because
Speaker 3: she like she had it closes and she just put
Speaker 3: it away and then she finally took it.
Speaker 12: I was okay.
Speaker 7: So for some reason I was thinking they were gonna
Speaker 7: follow her and kill her.
Speaker 3: H Well, we don't get to rule later on a
Speaker 3: little bit, but we have to talk about Big Eddie's
Speaker 3: country road trip ken As we see that the drugs
Speaker 3: are being installed to the van and then they're picking
Speaker 3: up to a women that got the bbls and ship
Speaker 3: about to send them back to the States. But then
Speaker 3: she kind of goes off a little bit as we
Speaker 3: see the DEAs on the ass and Wayne finally figures
Speaker 3: out that the drugs are not real drugs, at least
Speaker 3: not the ones that make you ship. What did you
Speaker 3: think about this da bush.
Speaker 5: When they when they ran up on the house and
Speaker 5: Wayne left everybody there. I definitely thought the dad was
Speaker 5: gonna kill himself. Uh, But so they did fake me
Speaker 5: out with that. When he was looking at that dog
Speaker 5: and was like, what you're gonna do? I was like,
Speaker 5: that little motherfucker ain't gonna do Ship mother's dog brother
Speaker 5: looking at you like what you're gonna do? Because hey,
Speaker 5: I have to do a damn thing. So I did
Speaker 5: like that scene how he just went ahead and and
Speaker 5: you know, just was like, now I'll just go ahead
Speaker 5: and go back. You know, Laurie or whatever her name was. Uh,
Speaker 5: she went at and went through with it, and they
Speaker 5: were I thought about the old man when I saw it,
Speaker 5: but she jumped off that damn building, but she was
Speaker 5: she knew she couldn't go back or wouldn't go to prison.
Speaker 1: So I liked.
Speaker 5: I liked that, and I think as we talk about
Speaker 5: I hear what you guys say. I was really trying
Speaker 5: to put together the whole thing.
Speaker 1: With Eddie, you know, quitting.
Speaker 5: I know that Alimo definitely that was his punishment for
Speaker 5: Eddie was to send him on this this this uh
Speaker 5: this dummy mission, you know, to get caught instead of
Speaker 5: killing him.
Speaker 1: So I thought that that was a pretty smart move.
Speaker 5: And it's plain while I was like, Okay, I'm surprised
Speaker 5: he didn't kill him. Why is he still seeing him
Speaker 5: on the mission? So it gave me an answer to that.
Speaker 5: So I did like that part of it. But you know,
Speaker 5: he just kind of messed up when they switched vehicles
Speaker 5: when he didn't take the coke out, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: of the truck and put it in the truck. So
Speaker 5: I thought that that was pretty clever of them as well.
Speaker 1: But but overall.
Speaker 5: I think this was this was I liked the old
Speaker 5: scene and it just basically wrapped this whole story part
Speaker 5: up with Wayne and Fay leaving and and them being arrested.
Speaker 6: So the d the d A didn't find it when
Speaker 6: they got the truck, right they found the.
Speaker 1: Rap And was that was that? Or was that about.
Speaker 5: Route him saying that he's a rat?
Speaker 3: That was about Dwayne Wayne. I think Alamo knew Dwayne
Speaker 3: Wayne was a rat. No, I thought that was about
Speaker 3: how would he about if they were putting it in
Speaker 3: the ambulance? Wo wasn't even in the ambulance. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: when Alamo was Maddy told about the d A, he
Speaker 3: knew he had to switch up his plan. That's why
Speaker 3: he he knew that if he knew, if she's telling
Speaker 3: him this information, now, that must mean that they may
Speaker 3: know about the real plan.
Speaker 2: So let's gout switch it up. So that was a
Speaker 2: message to the d A telling them, I know there's
Speaker 2: a rat.
Speaker 1: God, God got it. Got it? Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: That I was still confused. I thought Dwayne Wayne was
Speaker 4: working for the d A. I was like, they got
Speaker 4: the man and.
Speaker 2: I did too. I thought that's why he said I quit.
Speaker 2: I thought he was talking about the job with the.
Speaker 7: D A R And then he was like, tell Alamo,
Speaker 7: we said, what's up or whatever. I was like, see see,
Speaker 7: I told you had d e A in the I
Speaker 7: was all off.
Speaker 2: Mike John should have known Dwayne Wayne wasn't with the
Speaker 2: d A.
Speaker 3: Just looking at his stomach that didn't got three summits.
Speaker 1: I thought he joined the d A. He got shot.
Speaker 3: I shot once he got shot, and Alamo was just like,
Speaker 3: I don't care. I thought that's when he joined the
Speaker 3: d A.
Speaker 4: No, No, they never saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Big Eddy realized that that Alamo sent him up.
Speaker 1: That's why he quit. He was like, man, funk this ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought it was interesting that.
Speaker 8: Technically the the the Red Necks and stuff killed themselves
Speaker 8: for nothing because it.
Speaker 4: Wasn't actually drugs in the in the in the van.
Speaker 4: They just assumed that they were, and so they they'll
Speaker 4: take themselves out.
Speaker 2: Well, they was gonna they was gonna find drugs in
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 4: You know what, Yeah, because they did. They did detain
Speaker 4: the two guys.
Speaker 2: It was just Lord, just like I can't go back.
Speaker 1: Lord that early Yeah, walking wabbling to the to the roof.
Speaker 3: You got you got all them guns in the house.
Speaker 3: You're gonna hang yourself like you none the easiest way
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 4: Gonna make it out.
Speaker 1: You see all them cos.
Speaker 2: You see all them cops.
Speaker 8: Oh, oh, I got you like when the way she
Speaker 8: went out though, me too.
Speaker 1: I like it was really good.
Speaker 4: That was satisfying, even.
Speaker 3: Her shipping after she got hung, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that worked, all that worked.
Speaker 2: Oh did y'all not notice herself? That was the blood
Speaker 2: from her head?
Speaker 1: I thought that was ship.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that sure positive positive taking the word.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They even made the sound like they you shipped yourself
Speaker 3: when you when you die like.
Speaker 2: That, you know that instant. I mean, if you got
Speaker 2: to go Nick right, he was walking up there right ride.
Speaker 3: I'm only I'm only questioned it because if that was shipped,
Speaker 3: that was a lot of ship.
Speaker 4: She had.
Speaker 2: All she had, she had a whole stream being cast
Speaker 2: role with the raising potatoes. Raisins say that was some
Speaker 2: raisins and the potatoes.
Speaker 4: You always holding the ship or something?
Speaker 1: What they did you do?
Speaker 5: Look like, first of all, the first question bird a bird?
Speaker 5: Is that damn sensitive the ship like that?
Speaker 1: Like that definitely?
Speaker 8: Yeah, animals, yes, because they can hit the viborations for
Speaker 8: a wild way exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not believe that.
Speaker 2: No, it's true. It's true.
Speaker 3: You never heard the whole phrasing, like I think that's
Speaker 3: where like the whole Canarian of coal mine thing comes from.
Speaker 3: Like them used, no that never mind, No, it's not
Speaker 3: never mind, forget what I said.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: That was wrong.
Speaker 1: But to think about I was like, wait, don't that's that.
Speaker 4: What that comes from?
Speaker 2: The casus better rod? That sounds better.
Speaker 1: Word? Oh man? She was like they know something. I
Speaker 1: was like, you got to listen to that.
Speaker 5: Damn dog instead of them damn birders. I would trust them.
Speaker 3: The burst was going nuts and that punk ass dog
Speaker 3: was like, Nigga, you don't know way more that this
Speaker 3: relationship works, myiga.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 3: I like that scene. I mean because it does kind
Speaker 3: of say that, like, you know, those type of white
Speaker 3: folks will will consider the lives of animals way higher
Speaker 3: than anything else. So the fact that he was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do this shootout because they end
Speaker 3: up they might end up shooting my dog, and the
Speaker 3: dogs already had a hard life.
Speaker 1: He only has three legs, he.
Speaker 2: Do so you didn't notice that just a dusty ass
Speaker 2: dog was dusty?
Speaker 1: Yeah, get that out of here.
Speaker 2: You'll call a dog dust Steve Man. It's in a
Speaker 2: house full of fectanom. But the dog wasn't doing it, Mike.
Speaker 3: If you want a dog with three legs and you
Speaker 3: know what a four legged dog feel like, Hell.
Speaker 2: No, I might be doing some drugs.
Speaker 1: That dog probably matters. Hell, they don't clean run there.
Speaker 5: But maybe I can go to a pound or something.
Speaker 1: That's why it was like, yeah, go ahead and die bro,
Speaker 1: take me out of here. Somebody the question.
Speaker 5: So it's since they didn't actually find drugs is as
Speaker 5: big as it going to jail.
Speaker 2: No, because he didn't do anything wrong. He ain't do nothing.
Speaker 2: He was just driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was wanting.
Speaker 4: That's that's why they go to.
Speaker 3: Right, That's why the cops said tell Alamo, We said,
Speaker 3: what's up? Because there was nothing they could do to him.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 6: What was your thoughts on the on the bus? I
Speaker 6: thought Elima played it well. I wasn't expecting the double cross.
Speaker 6: I had to rewind it one time, like, wait, what happened?
Speaker 6: But I think I thought Alian would played it well.
Speaker 6: I was surprised he threw big Eddie under the bus.
Speaker 6: I wasn't quite where y'all was within and saying that
Speaker 6: he was gonna kill him or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: I thought he was just trying to test him.
Speaker 6: Okay, I thought he was just trying to test him
Speaker 6: more so than than set him up. But I was
Speaker 6: obviously wrong with that. But I like this whole scene.
Speaker 6: All of this worked, the animals, the lowry part of it,
Speaker 6: all of it worked.
Speaker 8: With that said Spike and Ken, are you at this
Speaker 8: point y'all still not rocking with the y'all not rocking
Speaker 8: with the show right now.
Speaker 6: So it's it's an entertaining episode. I'm entertained. But I
Speaker 6: think Mike and Nick. Mike and Nick said it to
Speaker 6: end out a series like this like Euphoria what I
Speaker 6: know it for. I didn't think that this was how
Speaker 6: you ended a show like this like this felt like
Speaker 6: a one off. This felt like a good episode in
Speaker 6: season two, episode seven.
Speaker 2: It felt like that versus the last time I'm gonna
Speaker 2: see it. I'm seeing this.
Speaker 5: And for me, once I saw what Nick posted, and
Speaker 5: I remember the conversations, you know, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: they rot, they write about what's gonna happen. So you
Speaker 5: know my concern, you know I've said, is how the
Speaker 5: hell they're gonna end this shit to make it made sense?
Speaker 5: And then when I saw that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: so now they're gonna have to wrap this up in
Speaker 5: a way that concludes all the storylines. So when I
Speaker 5: saw this, I was like, Okay, well they out of here.
Speaker 5: L Larry's dead and gone, and this whole storyline is over.
Speaker 1: So we're done with this part.
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna move on to what's gonna happen with
Speaker 5: Rue Alamo and the rest of the cast.
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Speaker 1: Moving on real quick.
Speaker 3: I know we're gonna get to the main part, but
Speaker 3: I want to get through the bullshit first. Maddie and Cassie,
Speaker 3: we see that well previously we see Alamo feels like
Speaker 3: he's on top. He got the drugs, he got louring
Speaker 3: the gang out. So then we go to the subsection
Speaker 3: of his story with Maddie and Cassie because he now
Speaker 3: has made them accessory to murder and also has them
Speaker 3: locked into his business. And they at the diner drinking
Speaker 3: coffee and having French toasts and you know, pancakes.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't know what the fuck just happened.
Speaker 3: Rod, What did you think about the conversation that they
Speaker 3: had at the diner, Like, do you did you find
Speaker 3: that interesting that they are now like like.
Speaker 2: Blood sisters now based off of what happened.
Speaker 4: This is probably the only part that's not satisfying for me.
Speaker 8: I know, like, through the seasons of euphoria, they've been friends,
Speaker 8: they've been typed, they've been close, but damn man, this
Speaker 8: chi literally married or your your man.
Speaker 4: Like I wanted to see Maddie get some sort of get.
Speaker 1: Back, and I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily like the route they went with it,
Speaker 8: with them just just getting closer after all of this,
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't know if that was satisfying for
Speaker 8: me personally.
Speaker 2: You wanted more mess, it's not.
Speaker 4: I mean, they made the mess. They made, They created
Speaker 4: the mess, and I just.
Speaker 8: Wanted to see some sort of some sort of like
Speaker 8: redemption for Maddie.
Speaker 4: And I don't feel like I got it.
Speaker 8: I feel like Cassie basically got everything you wanted until
Speaker 8: she did or whatever due to him dying. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I just wanted to see I wanted to see Maddie
Speaker 8: get paid back. I thought that's the route they were
Speaker 8: gonna go, So I guess I just I just wasn't
Speaker 8: satisfied that that they're now closer than they ever been.
Speaker 3: For that, Yeah, can I challenge you on one thing
Speaker 3: before I now I want to get your thoughts too,
Speaker 3: But when you think that, like after you witness not
Speaker 3: only someone dying in front of you, that was the
Speaker 3: first time Maddie ever saw somebody get shot and like
Speaker 3: killed in that way, and then find out the man
Speaker 3: that you used to love and maybe still have feelings
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: That's why you're still upset about their.
Speaker 3: Union, Like showed up dead in a box full of snakes,
Speaker 3: Like you wouldn't think that would change your mindset of
Speaker 3: Like this shit is way bigger than what I thought
Speaker 3: it was, and I'm kind of way past it now
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking about it differently, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean, Like you would have thought
Speaker 3: she would have want revenge, but like after seeing all that,
Speaker 3: you don't think she would have to.
Speaker 1: Change your heart?
Speaker 8: M yes, yes, but that's not the storyline I wanted
Speaker 8: to see. I guess alto with them, Yeah, what.
Speaker 2: About your name? Was it satisfying?
Speaker 4: I don't know if satisfying just the right word.
Speaker 7: Them becoming like bonded for life didn't necessarily bother me,
Speaker 7: because I've seen that happen in real life, like girls
Speaker 7: in high school who was sleeping with each other's man
Speaker 7: and then come out of high school and now their
Speaker 7: best buddies for less, they after going through a whole
Speaker 7: lot less, So that didn't necessarily bother me.
Speaker 10: But I think.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 10: I just don't like the way either one of these
Speaker 10: storylines ended.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't like what happened when I didn't. I wasn't
Speaker 7: satisfied with it. Just feels like they were left out
Speaker 7: there and they didn't really know what to do. Nate
Speaker 7: just damn disappeared, Like I don't. I wasn't happy with
Speaker 7: the way they just kind of it felt like loose
Speaker 7: ends left with them too, and they just like love
Speaker 7: each other and best friends and working through this drama together.
Speaker 7: I wasn't here for either one of these two storylines
Speaker 7: in the way it ended.
Speaker 4: So you don't like it.
Speaker 7: I don't like it not because I wanted Maddie to
Speaker 7: get paid back. I don't like it because it just
Speaker 7: felt like this for a writing mhm.
Speaker 8: I guess that's essentially what I'm saying too, though, Like
Speaker 8: I wanted this storyline to go differently than what it
Speaker 8: than where it went.
Speaker 2: Mike, what were your thoughts on their how their story ended?
Speaker 2: I was fine with it. I was fine with it.
Speaker 3: I think that the point of them going through a
Speaker 3: traumatic experience together, I can see that being a sort
Speaker 3: of trauma bonding experience or a situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I got that they're going to be best friends forever.
Speaker 3: H I got that in the moment. If we're talking
Speaker 3: about the diner scene, I got in the moment Maddie
Speaker 3: felt sorry for Cassie because Cassie, if we're being honest,
Speaker 3: this sounds mean, but she's the lesser of the two
Speaker 3: when it comes to common sense, you know, intelligence, all
Speaker 3: of that. Like Maddie could make make it out a
Speaker 3: little bit easier than Cassie could. So I think Cassie
Speaker 3: coming over and sitting next to Maddie and putting her
Speaker 3: head on her shoulder, and then Maddie kissing her head,
Speaker 3: I think that that's saying like, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 3: went through something real fucked up, and you're gonna be
Speaker 3: sitting with this for a really long time.
Speaker 1: And yes, there is still an echo.
Speaker 2: I don't know where that's coming from. I ain't I
Speaker 2: ain't hear nothing but lou.
Speaker 6: What I'm gleaning close to Mike's side in the sense of,
Speaker 6: I'm satisfied with it. Once I figured out watching the show,
Speaker 6: because this was before you sent the link, I think
Speaker 6: I've kind of figured out at this point this is
Speaker 6: the last episode, Like I ain't no more coming after this,
Speaker 6: And I'm not sure what more that I needed from
Speaker 6: either one of them, being that they had gone through
Speaker 6: this traumatic episode together, like what Mike said in the
Speaker 6: sense of trauma bond, and in that moment, both of
Speaker 6: them were taking a deep breath like this could have
Speaker 6: been worse, like she could have owe a lot more
Speaker 6: money and Cassie could have been god knows what in
Speaker 6: his stable. Yeah, so both of them looking at it
Speaker 6: like taking a deep breath, looking at each other, your
Speaker 6: familiar face. We've been through this together. I'm cool with
Speaker 6: that resolution in their relationship. I think they took it
Speaker 6: exactly where they needed to take it, uh in the
Speaker 6: last episode as far as it's moving on.
Speaker 3: From it, And do you agree with that point, because
Speaker 3: like they kind of eased into like, all right, we're
Speaker 3: gonna turn my house into an influence the house and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2: I'm over here design and dial.
Speaker 3: Thoz on the whim, Like like, did you think they
Speaker 3: just accepted their fight and just kind of pushed.
Speaker 1: Through doing the content house makes sense? So I get that.
Speaker 5: And you know, Maddie's good at it, Cassie's good at
Speaker 5: her part.
Speaker 1: So I understood all of that.
Speaker 5: You know, they they split apart because of Nate and
Speaker 5: they came together because of Nate, so you know, it's
Speaker 5: it's this sort of weird, full circle thing that happened
Speaker 5: with him. But at this point, I like this diner
Speaker 5: scene and it confirmed some things that we suspected about
Speaker 5: what happened with Maddie when Cassie walked over and well
Speaker 5: when Cassie started to kind of well up and cry,
Speaker 5: so it felt like maybe she revealed her what she
Speaker 5: had to do in order to to get with the
Speaker 5: money and stuff like that. So I did like that.
Speaker 5: It's just it was after this, it was everything after
Speaker 5: this dynasty, where this whole thing just fell apart from me.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 8: So when we can, I do like the visuals of
Speaker 8: the Dynasty. I do like that moment. I just I
Speaker 8: don't know. I just wanted to see something different with them,
Speaker 8: and I already said that part.
Speaker 4: But I do visually like what they did here with that.
Speaker 8: It was like very somber, right, So I do like
Speaker 8: what they did as far as that's what.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree, I like the diner aspect of it,
Speaker 3: and we could have kind of just ended with them.
Speaker 3: There the extended cut that we got when we were
Speaker 3: back at the house where Cassie is talking to Lexi
Speaker 3: about like what she got going on and how she
Speaker 3: want her to be a part of the you know,
Speaker 3: the storytelling of the content were about to create. I
Speaker 3: only cared about it because it got to Lexi's reflection.
Speaker 3: But up until that point, I could do a fuck.
Speaker 3: But because I really just enjoyed the diner scene, being
Speaker 3: like they went through some shit together and now they cool,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And you can you know,
Speaker 3: French toast look good enough for a diner, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was fine with the scene.
Speaker 3: So are y'all saying that you just didn't like that
Speaker 3: the story conclusion for Cassie, Oh, I thought. I thought
Speaker 3: it was fine, just because Cassie has been used this
Speaker 3: whole show, so for her to finally get to a
Speaker 3: point where she's like, all right, I mean.
Speaker 2: Hashtag girl boss. I was like, all right, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think everyone was expecting it from Maddie
Speaker 3: to be that, but the fact that it ended up
Speaker 3: being Cassie, I'm okay with it because she's gonna need
Speaker 3: Maddie regardless, she's not gonna be able to run an
Speaker 3: empire on her own. That's why it does make sense
Speaker 3: that they did reconnect, because if Maddie just walked out
Speaker 3: and left Cassie to her own devices, all of this
Speaker 3: would fall apart.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel I don't want to see a strong
Speaker 2: white woman. When Nick, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: He just really said, you don't want to see these
Speaker 2: European queens, these milk and Magnesian queens. Moving on.
Speaker 1: We see that route.
Speaker 3: After you know, getting her pat on the back from Alamo,
Speaker 3: goes to Ali's crib and it's.
Speaker 2: Just ready to kind of just move on. And but also.
Speaker 3: She notices something on the news about Fez and then
Speaker 3: we see kind of like him escape in prison park
Speaker 3: Core and she's talking to Ali saying like I gotta
Speaker 3: go help him out because I said I would, And
Speaker 3: we kind of get drifted off into a whole other
Speaker 3: side quest that ends up being like the main part
Speaker 3: of the story.
Speaker 2: Louis, you're shaking.
Speaker 3: Your head, and I wonder why that is when we
Speaker 3: get to this part of the story.
Speaker 6: By side, Quesch, you mean what ru was doing when
Speaker 6: she was looking so fast get this ship the fuck
Speaker 6: out of here, man, Like I didn't. I wasn't here
Speaker 6: for none of it. I hate but is this ain't
Speaker 6: even just exclusive to Euphorial, any any show that goes
Speaker 6: dream sequence. It's automatic note for me, And I know
Speaker 6: Soprano is one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 1: They do a lot. I hate it there too, Like.
Speaker 6: Dream sequences are dumb to me, Like, tell me the
Speaker 6: story in the story, Max, It needs to be a
Speaker 6: couple of minutes out to say.
Speaker 2: But I don't care.
Speaker 6: About them finding out in their dreams, about them getting
Speaker 6: this hitting message in their dream.
Speaker 2: Tell the story not.
Speaker 10: That way, Spike, it was the story.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a dream.
Speaker 10: She was she was, she was high and dying.
Speaker 1: It was a dream. She was in a comato state.
Speaker 13: Okay, Spike, hatch the fine dream real quick, Spike, that
Speaker 13: was not No, I didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows you didn't mean it that way. Nobody listens
Speaker 2: to be Spike. Nobody listens to me. Why do you
Speaker 2: not figure this out yet?
Speaker 4: This is the best part of the episode to me?
Speaker 14: Oh wow, that was rude.
Speaker 10: Now, this is my favorite part of the episode.
Speaker 7: To me, it was And because it took me a
Speaker 7: minute well, I mean, yeah, it took I'm like, this
Speaker 7: is weird, and then once you realize it was like
Speaker 7: a dream. It was a gene sequence, like as we
Speaker 7: get on and when she gets to the house, it
Speaker 7: sees her mom and I'm just like, Oh, that's really
Speaker 7: what we're doing, that's really how were going out. It
Speaker 7: felt like euphoria. This sounded like euphoria. There's always a
Speaker 7: haunting scene of Zendia in her addiction, and that's what
Speaker 7: this was.
Speaker 10: And you realize it's the.
Speaker 7: Last, the last, like the last oh man, like it was.
Speaker 7: It was haunting and beautiful. But I will say that
Speaker 7: after this scene, once Ali actually wakes up, it's something
Speaker 7: about it that felt anti climactic at the same time,
Speaker 7: and I don't know if that was intentional. I think
Speaker 7: because of the way the show just continued on, I
Speaker 7: felt like it didn't give me enough time to sit
Speaker 7: in the fact that.
Speaker 4: Ru was gone.
Speaker 7: So there was something about it that felt anti climactic
Speaker 7: to me, and I just wanted more because because this
Speaker 7: show is her, I just wanted more time.
Speaker 10: To sit with the realization that she's now gone.
Speaker 8: I think that was the time that they was the
Speaker 8: time I get it I just wanted more of it.
Speaker 8: I feel like it was just enough at first, because
Speaker 8: my thing is that I wasn't I wasn't ready to
Speaker 8: accept that U was gonna die in this show. I
Speaker 8: know she she had to in this show just to
Speaker 8: give it a realistic feel. But now I agree, Man,
Speaker 8: I agree. I thought the scene was haunting all of
Speaker 8: the things like it felt. It felt like throw back
Speaker 8: you for you, the whole running, just all of that,
Speaker 8: going back to the old spaces of the show. It
Speaker 8: was just like a recap of what we know you
Speaker 8: for you to be. And I think, and I like,
Speaker 8: and I like how because I didn't think we were
Speaker 8: going to see faus So I like when we saw
Speaker 8: fans and it was it was.
Speaker 4: Like it was just like whoa Like it was like
Speaker 4: it was like, damn, that's that's him. That's him for real.
Speaker 4: And they had that moment of them, like, you know,
Speaker 4: a happy.
Speaker 8: Moment with them. So now I really really enjoyed, enjoyed
Speaker 8: this part.
Speaker 2: How about you, Mike. My spirits are still lifted.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm with Rod.
Speaker 2: I'm with Rod.
Speaker 3: I do get Na's point, though, but I'm more with Rod.
Speaker 3: I think what made this work for me so extremely
Speaker 3: well is the fact that I was pissed. I was
Speaker 3: like this when when they first started showing fans doing
Speaker 3: parkour up the wall and then she's running after him
Speaker 3: and then she's ducking it, I was like, this is
Speaker 3: so disrespectful. I was like, this is disrespectful and unnecessary.
Speaker 3: Angus Cloud did not pass away to see the show
Speaker 3: do this shit to him. This is fucked up. But
Speaker 3: then I realized she was dead and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is perfect. This is perfect because
Speaker 3: when she was running away from the cops to use
Speaker 3: Spike's term, I thought it was cartoony. I was like,
Speaker 3: come on, man, like, cops are stupid and cops are bad,
Speaker 3: but really, you can't cast this little skinny ass really,
Speaker 3: So I was like, this is dumb.
Speaker 2: But when she got in the house and she saw
Speaker 2: her mother, I was like, Oh.
Speaker 1: She's dead. She's fucking dead.
Speaker 3: This was amazing when she was reaching for her mother
Speaker 3: and then it cut to her reaching up and she was.
Speaker 1: Trying to catch her breath.
Speaker 3: I don't get choked up that often because I'm a thug,
Speaker 3: but that choked me up just a little bit.
Speaker 1: That what the fuck is Funnies by.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 1: One of y'all laugh, I laugh silent.
Speaker 15: Somebody else is like, but no, man.
Speaker 3: I And to the point about wanting more time, I'm
Speaker 3: in between Nay and Rod. I did want more time
Speaker 3: to sit with it, because when the show was over,
Speaker 3: I was a little upset that we didn't actually get
Speaker 3: that scene with uh Nina King. I was a little
Speaker 3: upset that we didn't really get a full Well, we'll
Speaker 3: get to the others people. But then when I thought
Speaker 3: about it, I was like, man, look, addicts die every day.
Speaker 2: Addicts die every day.
Speaker 3: And and I saw a little snippet of a Sam
Speaker 3: Levinson interview where he said, yeah, I mean this is
Speaker 3: how this has to go because people like Rue don't
Speaker 3: make it out. And that's true, we love Rue, but
Speaker 3: this just tells you, like, you know, just because an
Speaker 3: addict is lovable doesn't mean that they're not still an addict.
Speaker 3: So this was this was this was a I think
Speaker 3: this was a great way to have Rue go out
Speaker 3: and Coleman Domingo, Jesus Christ ay. The fact that that
Speaker 3: man started on one of the worst shows ever made
Speaker 3: and has landed into being one of the best. Fear
Speaker 3: of the Walking Dead, Oh yeah, people forget he was
Speaker 3: even on that trash because he was the best part
Speaker 3: of that show. But seeing this man where he is,
Speaker 3: he is easily one of my favorite actors working in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: He killed the scene when he came out of his
Speaker 3: bedroom and he was like Rue Rue. I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: my man, Colema was gonna have to find her and
Speaker 3: he rolled her over. And I love that they didn't
Speaker 3: even show her face because.
Speaker 2: We didn't need all that. We didn't need all that.
Speaker 2: They showed his face, and his face said every single
Speaker 2: thing IN needed to say. This was this was Sam
Speaker 2: Levinson was killing it.
Speaker 3: I I was gonna ask Michael question, but I know
Speaker 3: it's gonna lead to a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2: Were still talking about Rue. Go ahead and Lou I
Speaker 2: was gonna say what I will say.
Speaker 6: Y'all put it together quicker than me that she was
Speaker 6: dead in the trip sequence, which is why I feel
Speaker 6: like I didn't like it as much.
Speaker 2: I didn't put it together until she was reaching up
Speaker 2: and I was like, are they killing her like this?
Speaker 1: Like right here?
Speaker 6: But what I do agree with is how they did
Speaker 6: it in the sense of like what you said, like
Speaker 6: how addicts died every day, so it wasn't this big
Speaker 6: dramatic thing that happened, because that's not what happens to people,
Speaker 6: Like it's because it takes a bad pill or something
Speaker 6: like that and it's like, oh shit, somebody finds them.
Speaker 6: So I do think that they nailed that part up
Speaker 6: it once I understood what was going on, because I
Speaker 6: just thought it was a dream sequence and she was
Speaker 6: gonna wake up. But once I see her grasping for
Speaker 6: the thing, I was like, oh shit, she's dying so and.
Speaker 8: Oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah they did. They wrapped it
Speaker 8: up really nicely for it to be a death, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean. And I also like the fact
Speaker 8: that that she had her headphones in because I means
Speaker 8: she listened to Yeah, she listened to the Bible that
Speaker 8: she was dying. So I was just like, dang that,
Speaker 8: I really like that because we know, we know she
Speaker 8: wanted set up like like that'd be a.
Speaker 4: Cool way to die, listen to the Word of God.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's that's a good point. I didn't think
Speaker 3: about it until you said it was like, why.
Speaker 10: Is she back in Genesis? Hasn't she been reading back
Speaker 10: at the beginning? So but yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: She was back at this is this is a huge reach.
Speaker 2: Maybe she was well, she was both.
Speaker 3: The whole full full circle of the story, but also
Speaker 3: Alamo was basically the devil and gave her the forbidden fruit.
Speaker 2: Right again, that's a huge reach, huge reach. But I
Speaker 2: didn't think about it until you just said it.
Speaker 4: Good job, he's a snake. I mean they've been they've been.
Speaker 10: Saying they're playing with that the whole season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then the last team when we see him
Speaker 7: man like one of what not the last scene, but
Speaker 7: in that last show that he's right there with the snake.
Speaker 10: So I don't think it's sup that far fetched.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I know I'm learning, y'all right, God is good.
Speaker 1: That is good. All the time.
Speaker 2: Came for me.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize she was dead until I saw her
Speaker 3: mama finger on that by.
Speaker 2: That was an e. That's a dead figure?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: But you did you.
Speaker 4: See what songs?
Speaker 10: I didn't see what.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that that had a meaning to I.
Speaker 3: Didn't think to check what Bible verse she was reading down.
Speaker 3: I wish I had, because I bet it meant Yeah,
Speaker 3: I bet it did mean something. Now, I really liked
Speaker 3: how they did this. I was fine with accepting that
Speaker 3: she could die or she would die. I just looked
Speaker 3: the one thing I did love. And when y'all pointed
Speaker 3: out the Fatida to show her face, like you just
Speaker 3: see her dead, just her dead body. And I know
Speaker 3: for Ale, like they were talking about being spiritual and
Speaker 3: getting back and then like for him to find out
Speaker 3: that she passed that way.
Speaker 2: God, Ken, what was your thoughts on on that scene?
Speaker 4: Most of.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I was like, okay, that's it.
Speaker 5: Like I felt nothing. I was just like, all right,
Speaker 5: well r was gone. I had no attachment, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 5: It was like she out of here, and and that's
Speaker 5: that's how we're going to end.
Speaker 2: The room.
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: You said that's not gonna be the figure.
Speaker 2: Of Chigg and JV does locker.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was, you know, much like Spike. I
Speaker 5: was and and and and Mike as well. I was
Speaker 5: cussing and yelling at the screen because none of the
Speaker 5: ship was making sense. And then I realized it was
Speaker 5: a dream because I'm like, okay, you're running.
Speaker 1: First, when I saw this motherfucker parkouring up the wall.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's stupid as fun.
Speaker 5: And then we went through and then you have to
Speaker 5: damn cops, and then she went to the cops ran
Speaker 5: under and then the cops couldn't find I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: none of that ship makes sense, you know, and Rude
Speaker 5: duck through there, yelling fast name, so I'm screaming. And
Speaker 5: then she getting there, I'm like, oh, ship, this motherfucker.
Speaker 5: This a dead ass fucking tree. I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 5: this is the moment she died. And then she's crop,
Speaker 5: you know, reaching up in the sky and ship like that,
Speaker 5: and you know, and I'm like I was because at
Speaker 5: first I was like, oh, look, Rude.
Speaker 1: Didn't take the pills, and but ship, that was a lie.
Speaker 5: And then they killed her off and I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: Like even when Ali felt found her, I was like,
Speaker 5: because I had already seen Ali earlier, like that didn't
Speaker 5: even do.
Speaker 1: Ship for me, you know, so.
Speaker 5: Nah man, it was just like all right, well, and
Speaker 5: then I saw we had an hour left, I'm like, oh, ship, man, I.
Speaker 6: Did the same thing, right, And I was like, what
Speaker 6: the fuck am I gonna do for the next hour?
Speaker 6: Like why I'm not even I don't even care about
Speaker 6: nothing else like rude dead, like.
Speaker 1: They didn't everything with Maddy and Cassie.
Speaker 6: I swear I did the same thing and hit the
Speaker 6: button on the remote.
Speaker 1: It was like an hour like turn this ship? What
Speaker 1: are we doing?
Speaker 2: Jan if y'all didn't know what it's called, youphor it
Speaker 2: ain't causing there.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with Ken and I feel nothing.
Speaker 6: I did feel for the character because I was in there,
Speaker 6: But once I seen there was an hour left after that,
Speaker 6: I was like, there's nothing that they could do in
Speaker 6: this next hour that would impress me.
Speaker 1: Nothing because.
Speaker 2: Why would you.
Speaker 1: Was dead? Yes, bro't here for this is the rule show.
Speaker 6: If you asked me like it, it is, so an
Speaker 6: hour left, I was already irritated.
Speaker 2: I'm like, kid, what the fuck they're gonna do for
Speaker 2: the next hour? You know what?
Speaker 3: I I don't agree with Spike, but I do agree
Speaker 3: with Spike. I did look at the time and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, there's an hour left. I thought we
Speaker 3: were gonna spend that next hour spending time with all
Speaker 3: of the other characters and how this death affected them.
Speaker 3: I get why they didn't do that, but that's why
Speaker 3: I was okay that she died halfway through the show,
Speaker 3: because I thought we were gonna get like a big
Speaker 3: emotional not necessarily a funeral, but just everybody having to
Speaker 3: deal with her death, especially pocast Lexi, because Room might
Speaker 3: still be alive if it wasn't for as Lexi.
Speaker 1: I would need to see her reaction. Bro we could
Speaker 1: have seen, but.
Speaker 2: Lexi was the one that old what's her name? Maddie didn't.
Speaker 2: She didn't. Lexi didn't for that, so that labor But.
Speaker 7: Maddie, Yeah, Maddie, Maddie killed Ruth at the end of
Speaker 7: the day.
Speaker 1: And no, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, and you had to have realized that,
Speaker 7: so I hope you didn't realize that at the very
Speaker 7: end when we saw her put it together in her mind, like,
Speaker 7: I hope that had had been a thought.
Speaker 10: But I do agree.
Speaker 7: I wanted to sit with the reactions, and that's what
Speaker 7: I meant when I said it after I wanted more time,
Speaker 7: Like I wanted to see if we're gonna do forty minutes,
Speaker 7: forty five minutes to an hour more of this show
Speaker 7: without rue. I want to see people's impact of that,
Speaker 7: not fast forward a whole month, and and and me
Speaker 7: not really being able to see any real change out
Speaker 7: of anybody's situation as a result.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, like at all.
Speaker 5: Cassie was sitting on the bed talking, well, she was
Speaker 5: an addict, which I understand is how yeah, But at
Speaker 5: the same time, like they it's almost like they really
Speaker 5: just didn't give a fuck. It's just like Jules Jews
Speaker 5: just she just like you just slapped her in the painting,
Speaker 5: and now you're gonna paint her like what the fuck
Speaker 5: like your last thing of jusus you slapping the ship
Speaker 5: out is in there, that's your last memory you have
Speaker 5: and then tell her to get out of your painting
Speaker 5: and walk it out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like this was Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Rod.
Speaker 8: I was just saying I thought I thought she was
Speaker 8: emotional actually when she was, and I liked that, like
Speaker 8: you we got from I like, and I like what
Speaker 8: we got from Lexi.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's my spirits are back down low because I
Speaker 3: disagree with Rod. I hate that I have to disagree today,
Speaker 3: But nah, I don't like what I got from Lexi
Speaker 3: because I don't need this profound anything from her at
Speaker 3: this point, because I just don't want to hear it
Speaker 3: from you. I do agree that that Maddie is the
Speaker 3: bigger problem. But Lexi treated her like shit the last
Speaker 3: time she saw rue. So for all of this, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this means that like maybe you know, I'm not well,
Speaker 3: I forgot what she said, I'm not a terrible person,
Speaker 3: or that everything I did wasn't wrong something stupid. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear this shit from you.
Speaker 1: Shut up.
Speaker 3: But forgiveness, yeah, yeah, it's also about vengeance.
Speaker 2: So I would have liked for vengeance to hit Lexi
Speaker 2: one good time.
Speaker 1: But they say it was a lot of violence and
Speaker 1: sets in the.
Speaker 8: Bible about the Bible and stuff. I like, I like
Speaker 8: what she was saying about it. She's like, it's actually
Speaker 8: actually kind of beautiful and tragic and and all of
Speaker 8: the I like that moment. I like that realization with her,
Speaker 8: because she she was just like at first, it's like
Speaker 8: fuck it, don't get that ship out of my house,
Speaker 8: like like, but I like that she you know, she
Speaker 8: she came to a realization that is actually something that
Speaker 8: she might look into.
Speaker 7: It seemed like she was the only one who actually
Speaker 7: sat with her emotions and figured out because she did
Speaker 7: have the guilt of how she handled Rude for the
Speaker 7: last time, so it seems like she was the only
Speaker 7: one who actually communicated how she was processing the feelings
Speaker 7: of Rude dying.
Speaker 10: So I will give her that.
Speaker 7: I mean, she's probably my least favorite character this season.
Speaker 10: But I will say that at least.
Speaker 7: She was trying to express and I have a conversation
Speaker 7: about how it made her feel. But nobody else, like Cassie,
Speaker 7: Maddie Jewels, nobody else was I feel like in touch
Speaker 7: with what they with the emotion of losing room and
Speaker 7: what that meant.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say about that. I do agree again,
Speaker 2: but the reason Lexi shit bugged me is because Lexi
Speaker 2: just made it about herself. So I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't care about anything that you're saying right now.
Speaker 3: With the thing with addicts and addicts dying, especially if
Speaker 3: they're addicts that you've known for a long time and
Speaker 3: you've known that they were addicts.
Speaker 1: This is kind of how it goes like.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of them were actually best friends
Speaker 2: with Rue Jewels, and we should have seen Lexi be
Speaker 2: a little bit more emotional. But I think they also
Speaker 2: said this was a couple months later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think to expect that they're still broken
Speaker 3: up about this. I've had addics die and you're kind
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, it sucks for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, we kind of expected it.
Speaker 4: I think they.
Speaker 3: All expected Ru to die. I don't think anyone expected
Speaker 3: Ru to kind of make it out of this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I do slightly agree with you about Jules, and that
Speaker 3: was Nick what I said beginning. That was my biggest
Speaker 3: gripe with this whole episode is you didn't do ship
Speaker 3: with Jules. If there was one person that we should
Speaker 3: have seen break down. If you didn't want to pay
Speaker 3: Nina King her money, fine, but you already had Hunter
Speaker 3: Schaeffer on the damn show. Just pay her the dough
Speaker 3: and give her the scene that we all expected to see.
Speaker 2: So that pissed me off.
Speaker 4: To be broke up about her being dead.
Speaker 7: I can't be the only one in this room sad,
Speaker 7: like somebody needs to be. And even if it's just
Speaker 7: hard leaving a pitthouse dude, because of the realization that
Speaker 7: Rude's not here anymore, like just something I needed somebody's
Speaker 7: situation to change change.
Speaker 10: Also impact of.
Speaker 3: That, Yes, that's it, though I get it was it
Speaker 3: was it, But I mean he was that was I mean,
Speaker 3: that was anybody that's that's the best actor.
Speaker 2: But he said, I think it's you.
Speaker 4: As his daughter.
Speaker 3: He did, he did, But as far as him her like,
Speaker 3: I think that that I'm with y'all. I do think
Speaker 3: that he brought it home and it did make sense
Speaker 3: for him to be the biggest emotional impact. But I
Speaker 3: think I think Hunter Shaffer was right there, yes, right there,
Speaker 3: robbed the audience of seeing that, and I think that's
Speaker 3: a problem. Someone said, someone said, Luke that we saw
Speaker 3: more of kitties BBL than of Jules's.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I think was.
Speaker 1: Able to definitely pull that scene off. Mike. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: did they.
Speaker 6: Did they want to give the impression that none of
Speaker 6: the none of her friends, so called friends cared about
Speaker 6: her as much as.
Speaker 1: My man did.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think, honestly, I think that
Speaker 2: this was just a rush job.
Speaker 3: And they didn't want to pay the people to do
Speaker 3: it because it doesn't make any sense. They can't make
Speaker 3: us believe that Jules did not care that Rue died.
Speaker 2: There's no way they can make me believe that.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, no, no, go ahead, make a part
Speaker 3: of this season was about that a lot of people
Speaker 3: have moved on so much in their lives and Rule
Speaker 3: is still kind of doing her stuff, and they, like
Speaker 3: one of y'all said, expected her to die.
Speaker 6: And I only thought of this when y'all were talking
Speaker 6: it out. It's made me think of it. I think
Speaker 6: that all of them kind of looked at this as
Speaker 6: an inevitable thing that was about to happen, where Colin
Speaker 6: Domingo's characters looking at it like, no, I can save her,
Speaker 6: Like I hear her talking about the Bible and God
Speaker 6: and Jesus and her warning to leave a better life.
Speaker 6: But I don't think any one of these people ever
Speaker 6: believed it, which is why we never got that emotion
Speaker 6: from them. But we did get the emotion from College
Speaker 6: Domingo in the sense of no, I thought this was
Speaker 6: going to happen up until the last moment, even before
Speaker 6: she went out there to pick up the drugs or whatever.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm trying to take her to her mom's
Speaker 6: house and get her not to do this. It kind
Speaker 6: of showed it he was the only one in the
Speaker 6: show that really cared about her.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Spike, and that's my problem this
Speaker 3: show Euphoria. It started with Jewles and Rue. They were
Speaker 3: the two main characters of this show. And the fact
Speaker 3: that Sam Levinson already has a reputation for what he
Speaker 3: did with Kat in season two. He did the same
Speaker 3: thing to Jewles that he did to Cat so and
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't take.
Speaker 3: One of the main characters of a show and just
Speaker 3: act like she doesn't exist. And that was my issue
Speaker 3: with this. We should have seen a lot more of
Speaker 3: Jewles this episode, and that was to me poor writing,
Speaker 3: really poor writing or just poor planning, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to say, I.
Speaker 4: Think it was.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's like what I think it was, mainly
Speaker 8: what I said in the beginning. I don't think she
Speaker 8: had the ability to I think she's really busy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean he's really busy. So he had
Speaker 4: to write her in the That's why he could.
Speaker 8: And that's good, bro, that's not just said in the
Speaker 8: best way he could, like you know, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, but I don't feel like it would have taken
Speaker 7: that much, Like they could have taken the scene of
Speaker 7: her painting and make it and just give it a
Speaker 7: little bit more drama, having more of a reaction, have
Speaker 7: her interacting with the Elliott dude, just have her like
Speaker 7: actually like act out the emotion that she was supposed
Speaker 7: to be exhibiting while she's painting.
Speaker 8: See that shit was dead to me after the way
Speaker 8: she left that pain on her last time, Like nah,
Speaker 8: now that that was dead like like and and the
Speaker 8: way that Ru was hurt at that point, At that moment,
Speaker 8: I'm like, yeah, that relationship isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, a relationship don't have to be where
Speaker 10: it used to be.
Speaker 7: That doesn't mean that I don't feel something when you
Speaker 7: die just because I'm not with you anymore, just because
Speaker 7: we are no longer in.
Speaker 10: Relationship with each other.
Speaker 7: Like to know that Ru is dead, should still like
Speaker 7: I should still bring something out of her other than
Speaker 7: some watercolors on a painting and walk away like I
Speaker 7: needed something else, some other sort of reaction from if anyone, Jules,
Speaker 7: to show that there was some some sort of impact
Speaker 7: that this character had on these people's lives.
Speaker 4: That was her outlet. That was her outlet, and that
Speaker 4: could be a therapy. But you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean different, and it's gonna make good TV exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look I'm with y'all. I wish that she could
Speaker 8: have been a part of the show more. I really
Speaker 8: thought she was gonna be. But I think it's probably scheduling.
Speaker 8: I think they did two things. Now they're talking it
Speaker 8: out too.
Speaker 6: More like I think Sam Levice did two things in
Speaker 6: the sense of we wanted more from those characters, but
Speaker 6: I think they already had accepted it, versus us wondering
Speaker 6: is Rulee going to die as a character? So I
Speaker 6: feel like us the viewer, we're more in Colin Domingo's
Speaker 6: character in the sense of you go out here and
Speaker 6: you do all of these things because you cared about
Speaker 6: Rule as a character, as a person, but all of them,
Speaker 6: I think, And what he's trying to say is no,
Speaker 6: like you said in the interview clip that you've seen, like, no,
Speaker 6: this is how it happens.
Speaker 1: They had already accepted it a long time before.
Speaker 6: It's including jewels, and I think that's why we didn't
Speaker 6: get that emotion from them.
Speaker 3: I kind of think that he wrote it that way.
Speaker 3: I think you've given him a little bit of bell.
Speaker 3: I think that talking about how you.
Speaker 6: Dis servicing the fans all season though, like even with
Speaker 6: the swingy stuff, with the swingy stuff, and yeah, like
Speaker 6: he's listening to what people are saying about the show.
Speaker 1: So I think there's two sides of how you're taking Rule's.
Speaker 6: Definite sense of there's some people who wanted it to
Speaker 6: be like nostalgic and wanted to be glamorized and have
Speaker 6: these emotional moments. And those are the people like the
Speaker 6: Colin Domingo that got done at the end. However, there's
Speaker 6: also this side of it looked at it like this
Speaker 6: was always going to happen. This was the end of
Speaker 6: the story. That's how addicts usually die. And these are
Speaker 6: the reactions that you get. Do they go through phase
Speaker 6: There are different times that you feel different things, But
Speaker 6: if you fast forward a month or two months later,
Speaker 6: this is how people usually talk about someone who did
Speaker 6: pills or who was living.
Speaker 1: The lifestyle and left lived.
Speaker 3: I got all that, and I don't want to spend
Speaker 3: too much more time on this, but I'm with you, Spike.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is we didn't have to get Jewels
Speaker 3: three months later. We could have got everybody else three
Speaker 3: months later. If there's anybody else here, I would have
Speaker 3: loved to have seen it. Yeah, I mean, in the moment,
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jewles was heartbroken because the last time she
Speaker 3: saw ru she smacked the shit out of her. We
Speaker 3: as the audience could have seen that and felt something
Speaker 3: from it, and they just glossed over it. And I
Speaker 3: think that was the problem. I'm with you with everything else, Spike,
Speaker 3: And I don't know that I believe that Sam Levinson
Speaker 3: wrote it like that. I think it's far more what
Speaker 3: Rob was saying that Hunter Shaffer just did not either
Speaker 3: didn't want to be involved with this with the season
Speaker 3: that much, or it was a scheduling on flick and
Speaker 3: he just did what he could. But I think that
Speaker 3: what he ended up going with was not great. Gotcha
Speaker 3: and you got any thoughts on Jews before we move on?
Speaker 16: No, we didn't see uh we get done at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's get this ship over crazy.
Speaker 3: We didn't see Bishops take Maddie to Alamo's Club, as
Speaker 3: you know that Maddie and Cassie are still a part
Speaker 3: of his whole business plan. Lou, what did you think
Speaker 3: about the conversation Alim Will had with Maddie in the
Speaker 3: back about his epiphany.
Speaker 5: Remind me again what he said. He was saying he
Speaker 5: want a wife rubs.
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, because he flicked and he realized that you
Speaker 17: don't want to have babies. He was still running game
Speaker 17: on her, talking like whatever she would go for, he
Speaker 17: trying to see how far she would go.
Speaker 1: He was dollars No, he wouldn't.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 1: He pushed his stake away.
Speaker 3: It was a good looking state too, but it did
Speaker 3: look good.
Speaker 6: I just can't believe that though. I don't believe she
Speaker 6: put that on him like that for him to be like.
Speaker 1: I think he had a break.
Speaker 3: Sometimes bruh, when the smoke player just ain't after you're
Speaker 3: done hitting the blunt, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Like, sometimes you have to strip. Can't
Speaker 2: know that happens to most niggas. And the trip like
Speaker 2: I figured it out. Yeah, you know, he was the
Speaker 2: money that she brings me in.
Speaker 6: He's attracted act, he's attracted how she acts, in the
Speaker 6: money that she brings in, and he thinks that he
Speaker 6: wants to but he's still run a game on her.
Speaker 3: He's just trying to secure her on a lord intimate level.
Speaker 3: Absolutely surprised the conversation with you. I'm surprised that this
Speaker 3: conversation with you.
Speaker 2: I think that there was this a shitty ass writing.
Speaker 3: I don't think that if he wanted just the money,
Speaker 3: why would he have to wipe her up. He already
Speaker 3: owns her. He was acting like he was in love
Speaker 3: and he wanted to settle down. This was ass and
Speaker 3: not even as this is one of the other ones.
Speaker 3: This was this was This was Lauri's ass. That dirty
Speaker 3: swamp doo ass, dirty dirty red nick nazy ass.
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing worse than some hate flass nick.
Speaker 10: Hate.
Speaker 3: But nah yah, that's like a little he was just
Speaker 3: he was like, bro, I see a bad dy in
Speaker 3: front of me. My best stage is behind me. Given
Speaker 3: up me, like I'm ready to settle that.
Speaker 6: He was running, bro, I don't believe that.
Speaker 5: He was like because remember Cassie was like just that,
Speaker 5: like you you know, like him or whatever. And then
Speaker 5: he was saying, yeah, you know because she was something
Speaker 5: like you know, you know, made all this money, you.
Speaker 1: Got this big empire. She just just gasting his head up.
Speaker 5: But the thing that stout, he was like, yeah, but
Speaker 5: for who he was like her kids, bro, So yeah
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 1: He was trying to knock her eyes up. He was
Speaker 1: He's sad, I want to have some Coco brown.
Speaker 6: Are with Like this is shitty, right, it is.
Speaker 1: It's just god awful, right.
Speaker 7: He is bad writing, but what it did for me
Speaker 7: is just really Like if I didn't believe that she
Speaker 7: was stuck for the rest of her life before ar
Speaker 7: like this Nigga is trying to make you his concubine
Speaker 7: for the rest of your life. Like he want to
Speaker 7: put water headed babies, and you like you are stuck, bitch.
Speaker 2: A waterhead, you head. You gotta think.
Speaker 10: About this thing when you when you get pregnant by somebody,
Speaker 10: Do I really want to push out somebody whose head is.
Speaker 2: Shape like that.
Speaker 4: The rest of life?
Speaker 2: My only question to you, what what number of that
Speaker 2: is on the list? Am I gonna let him pregnant?
Speaker 1: That top?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: You look, I mean you want to have babies with
Speaker 7: a nice looking person and if they have a big head,
Speaker 7: like what is the Yeah, that's that's that's part of
Speaker 7: the physical Yeah, it's up there.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's part of the approval process.
Speaker 1: Is man, I've never heard that before.
Speaker 8: That that's the first time I heard that.
Speaker 2: That makes so much sense though, the first.
Speaker 1: Time I've heard it. But it's so on point, Like I.
Speaker 2: Don't know heard that's ship they we ain't never got
Speaker 2: that close kid.
Speaker 4: All got kids kids.
Speaker 18: Okay we recorded can't remember that?
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Oh but yes?
Speaker 3: So uh we see Bishop take man almost club. They
Speaker 3: have the epiphany all while this Mike we got I
Speaker 3: lead dressed like Colonel Taylor, not Colonel Brown Taylor. He
Speaker 3: had to cut like over anything. Tell you have a
Speaker 3: cut like colonel saying Colonel Brad Taylor.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's funny. He set the strip club down.
Speaker 1: In the worst way.
Speaker 2: Are we talking about the whole scene or just with
Speaker 2: him walking in?
Speaker 3: We can talk about it all. We can talk about it.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm mixed. I'm mixed on this, and here's
Speaker 3: my logic. That was a bar for the dead end.
Speaker 1: Guys I got up to.
Speaker 3: Oh, I liked parts of this, but I would be
Speaker 3: lying if I said it did not feel like a
Speaker 3: completely different show. I liked him walking in, I liked
Speaker 3: all the lead up. I even liked him shooting the
Speaker 3: Marshaw guy in the nuts. I liked all of that.
Speaker 3: I don't really know how much I liked the parts
Speaker 3: after that, like Alamo throwing the bull's head through the
Speaker 3: through the glass was like, this is goofy, And then
Speaker 3: you know, him walking out them having a standoff. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: just shoot him. What are we talking about? Are y'all serious?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna roll the bottle. And when the bottle hits
Speaker 2: the ground, that's when you draw. And I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: if you don't shoot this dude, And and when he
Speaker 2: this was the worst acting I've ever seen from Coleman
Speaker 2: Domingo when when Alamo pulled the gun up and come,
Speaker 2: oh my, that.
Speaker 3: Was like, to Coleman Domingo's credit, his mouth is always
Speaker 3: opening all his rolls.
Speaker 2: He was just looking. It was just him looking at
Speaker 2: you're right, you know, you know, y'all are right. And
Speaker 2: Coleman Dimingo's lips have only met like three times in
Speaker 2: his entire life.
Speaker 1: What you're doing here? No to y'all.
Speaker 6: To Mike's point, man, this is good and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: This ship wasn't bad, man, This ship wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 6: But it just wasn't what I wanted to see on
Speaker 6: the last episode of Euphoria. Yeah, like, all of this
Speaker 6: stuff was good in a totally different setting. This could
Speaker 6: have been a wonder off. This could have been a
Speaker 6: preview or whatever the fuck did they do before the
Speaker 6: show comes on like they did with Call It the
Speaker 6: Mingo last week. All of that stuff would have worked
Speaker 6: for this, and I would have rather spent more time like, man,
Speaker 6: Mike's here with them, like really being impacted by what
Speaker 6: happened to Route.
Speaker 2: I wish that we got that as fans.
Speaker 6: However, I do think that he's trying to tell another
Speaker 6: story in this and this story being the Western and
Speaker 6: him trying to close that out in the sequence is
Speaker 6: what he really leaned into for the final act of
Speaker 6: this show, and it just took some out of it.
Speaker 6: Man Like, it just it didn't really feel like euphoria.
Speaker 1: It was a good sorry Spike, No, sorry Spike, go ahead. No.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say it was a good like for
Speaker 6: like Toad's point, like how it looks, the way it
Speaker 6: played out, all of that shit was good, but it
Speaker 6: just didn't make sense for what I wanted to see
Speaker 6: in the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say.
Speaker 3: Even even him throwing Maddie through the window, I was
Speaker 3: just like, bro, what what in the fuck are we watching?
Speaker 3: The only part that I liked was I think that
Speaker 3: I don't remember the young lady's name that plays Maddie,
Speaker 3: but I liked her facial acting when she shows that
Speaker 3: she's realizing that Alamo killed Rue because Coleman just like
Speaker 3: he kills everything. Even though I didn't like this stuff,
Speaker 3: he killed it. When he was like who hired you?
Speaker 3: Who are you working for? He was like, bu, I
Speaker 3: just liked the way he delivered it, Like it sounded menacing,
Speaker 3: but it almost sounded like I'm I'm upset. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: sounded like I'm an angel of vengeance, like I'm here
Speaker 3: not getting away with this, You're not. It's just it
Speaker 3: was too good and I don't know that many actors
Speaker 3: that could have delivered it this well, and.
Speaker 6: Even to your point of putting on the same by
Speaker 6: the who excuse me? The different world colonel ship, like
Speaker 6: it made sense though, and how he was acting and
Speaker 6: the character that he was taking on and like that
Speaker 6: wasn't a regular Ali that was.
Speaker 1: Ili to smoke crack and dude.
Speaker 6: The shadow boxing, like that was who we got going
Speaker 6: into this strip club, and that made that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in the military.
Speaker 3: Member all of the Yeah, I get it, he was
Speaker 3: still a military dude, but this was still this was
Speaker 3: he a man in uniform when he's served in our country.
Speaker 6: Jump it was a little bit like, this was straight
Speaker 6: just military.
Speaker 2: Brings some sense. What did you think about this scene? Bro?
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: I like I like it.
Speaker 8: It set us up for it because you know, he's
Speaker 8: been spending all of this time, you know, trying to
Speaker 8: save save the lives of addicts and and freedom and
Speaker 8: stuff like that. But it's at this point he's like, no,
Speaker 8: I'm done with that ship. I'm taking the matters in
Speaker 8: my home. Somebody said the angel vengeance or whatever like that,
Speaker 8: and yeah, I like it.
Speaker 4: I liked that.
Speaker 8: He was just like, no, We're going to go a
Speaker 8: different route with this because obviously, you know, all the
Speaker 8: other ways didn't work, so this was the last straw
Speaker 8: for him.
Speaker 4: And I like it.
Speaker 8: I like the set up they've been They've been playing
Speaker 8: on the whole Western thing the entire season, and while
Speaker 8: it didn't feel like euphor you we've been saying that
Speaker 8: from the jump, they stuck with what they what they've
Speaker 8: been showing us from the from the beginning, So I
Speaker 8: feel like it just doubled down on the whole theme.
Speaker 8: So in the sense of this particular season, I felt
Speaker 8: like it actually fit personally, and I did like Alamo,
Speaker 8: he felt he felt menacing. I know it did seem
Speaker 8: a little a little hokey, but I don't know, man,
Speaker 8: I think he delivered it really well.
Speaker 4: I do. I really do think he did. And I know,
Speaker 4: like the whole bottle and all that ship, but I
Speaker 4: don't know. It was believable for me.
Speaker 8: And then I like and I like how Bishop got
Speaker 8: his well, what do you call that not retribution by by.
Speaker 4: Taking the bullets out.
Speaker 8: So I think they bodied this this scene, honestly, I
Speaker 8: do IFVI should.
Speaker 1: Do that, Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 4: The trying.
Speaker 7: I think that they were trying to identify, like who
Speaker 7: in this room is a good guy and a bad guy?
Speaker 7: And Bishop has done horrible things, right, but there's always
Speaker 7: been this like underlying like moral code that he has.
Speaker 7: So I think ultimately he sees how Alamo treating the girls,
Speaker 7: how he's treating I'm not saying this is good. I'm
Speaker 7: just saying this is how it makes sense to me, like,
Speaker 7: because essentially Alamo cheated and was going to shoot him
Speaker 7: before the time. So I think that was them showing
Speaker 7: that Alamo is actually not a good guy and that
Speaker 7: Bishop and Coleman Domingo's character are did I like it, no,
Speaker 7: but I think that's what they were trying to say,
Speaker 7: that ultimately Bishop is has a moral compass, And it
Speaker 7: was interesting to me that even the little kid that
Speaker 7: was like Bishop has a control versus Alamo because he
Speaker 7: told him put your gun up, like, we're not doing this.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 7: I thought I saw how we treated him right right, right,
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think that was just them trying to
Speaker 7: show who actually was a good character versus a bad character.
Speaker 7: I just didn't like it, and I didn't like the
Speaker 7: fact that Maddie killed Rue but Ru still somehow managed
Speaker 7: to save Maddie and I ain't like it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's the part.
Speaker 6: That you sure now you did a really good jobs
Speaker 6: Like you did a really good job of explaining it.
Speaker 1: And if we were on Dead in Sports, we would
Speaker 1: say this is Bell Bond, this is Nay's.
Speaker 6: Bill Bond because you bailing them, I know, like there's
Speaker 6: because what you're saying makes sense. However, it's giving them
Speaker 6: a lot of bail in the sense of I think
Speaker 6: I already knew that Bishop was a good character just
Speaker 6: by some of the stuff that he was saying to
Speaker 6: Ruth throughout the series. I didn't I can't make myself
Speaker 6: believe that he's going to in this moment take his
Speaker 6: his bullets and make him lose in a shootout, because
Speaker 6: we already knew he was bad. You've been working for
Speaker 6: him for all these years as a bad person. Like this,
Speaker 6: just this, this just seems so easy for.
Speaker 3: A writer to change in this life it changed now.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you want me to take you home, Mady.
Speaker 6: Like get the first Roger a long time ago, Like
Speaker 6: this is the moment that you do it.
Speaker 3: Stop Michael Rogers told you brother, Angel Avengers came through
Speaker 3: the Roomiggain and some just right there.
Speaker 2: Angel Avengers would have died had it not been for Bishop.
Speaker 2: I think this was trash.
Speaker 3: It would have made ten times more sense to me
Speaker 3: if that little kid did it, because at least he
Speaker 3: had a reason, and we didn't see him do anything
Speaker 3: bad throughout the show. The fact that Bishop just chopped
Speaker 3: some dude up a couple episodes ago, the fact that
Speaker 3: he didn't really fuck with Rue because he was trying
Speaker 3: to imply to Alamo to get rid of Rue.
Speaker 2: The only the only.
Speaker 3: Person that he defended was Maddie. So I thought they
Speaker 3: were trying to make it seem like he had feelings
Speaker 3: for Maddie, So I was like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1: You got Alimo falling in love with Maddie.
Speaker 2: Now you got Bishop falling in love with Maddie to
Speaker 2: the point where he kills Alimo.
Speaker 1: This is ass.
Speaker 2: This would have only been good, Nick is if.
Speaker 3: If after the end of all of this, we see
Speaker 3: that guy that he had himed up in that room
Speaker 3: that he was gonna chop up, he still alive. If
Speaker 3: they showed him still alive, and they showed him walking
Speaker 3: away or going into the burger king or something, then
Speaker 3: I would have been like, Okay, I accepted he changed
Speaker 3: his tune and he wasn't really killing these folks.
Speaker 2: But no, Bishop was a bad dude.
Speaker 3: He threatened to kill Ruth's mother, but now he's taking
Speaker 3: the bullets at a dude's gun. Was this was Sam
Speaker 3: Levison just being like, you know what, fuck it I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do. I'm gonna do a line real quick, and
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna write some bullshit. Y'all just gonna accept it.
Speaker 3: That's what I only I only can't. I only disagree
Speaker 3: with them for this one point. We wouldn't have got
Speaker 3: the scene where at once he finds out the bullets there.
Speaker 2: I see you could have said that to the kid though.
Speaker 2: He Mike rewarded that scene about hey, well you know
Speaker 2: you when you.
Speaker 3: Know you lost a little sometimes you just got to
Speaker 3: be like, all right, I at least get this out.
Speaker 1: Let me say this for you.
Speaker 5: Gutts have definitely articulated more issues I've had with this
Speaker 5: episode and this This was definitely, uh a huge part
Speaker 5: of it as well. All this ship was stupid. There
Speaker 5: are only a couple of things I like. I like
Speaker 5: when he did you was his third shot to make
Speaker 5: sure he was done. He was dead, So that that
Speaker 5: was that was That was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: Him throwing that damn bullhead at him was fucking hilarious
Speaker 5: because Coleman had no fucking idea with what that was from.
Speaker 2: That was a genuine like, oh ship, what.
Speaker 3: He felt authectically that could be even the thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's just he walked in the club,
Speaker 5: he Barrick basically locked the club doors, nobody could get
Speaker 5: in or out, and he sat down for a while,
Speaker 5: and at no point did anybody tried to go in
Speaker 5: and out of the club to notice. The motherfucker was like,
Speaker 5: but I'm sorry, it just It just didn't make any sense,
Speaker 5: you know, because it's not like he just walked then
Speaker 5: walked aroun I started shooting.
Speaker 1: He sat down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he waited for a shot to finish doing what
Speaker 5: he's doing, to come up there and sit with him,
Speaker 5: and everybody was just in there, just chilling.
Speaker 2: He he did Marshaan dirty in this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: He told a lot, bro, you can't. You can't, Mike.
Speaker 3: I know you'all gonn feel going again. One of my
Speaker 3: worst fears.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Going from almost getting cheeks to getting your dick shine
Speaker 3: in twenty minutes is insane.
Speaker 2: Should have finished.
Speaker 1: That's not how he thought he was going to get
Speaker 1: his dick well, damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not how he thought he was gonna bust today.
Speaker 2: Damn y'all are adios man.
Speaker 3: Rod had to y'all remember because Rod got a couple
Speaker 3: two He's like, you guys don't get his nut off,
Speaker 3: but he got his blown off.
Speaker 2: He tea yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It was funny because like, you'll die from that. He
Speaker 3: just made himself die.
Speaker 2: Remember when that little boy got his you know, he said, hey,
Speaker 2: you lose that, you may as well be dead. Marshal,
Speaker 2: He's like Jesus I'm trying to go see.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but I will say something like, okay, well
Speaker 5: when when he heard the bullets the gun clicking, you know,
Speaker 5: I guess it was honorable that he left the bottle
Speaker 5: hit the ground before he shot, you know, all right,
Speaker 5: because word is bond. I guess it was too old.
Speaker 5: It's changing, you know, sayings they used to have back
Speaker 5: in the day. But I think the biggest thing was
Speaker 5: Bishop doing what he did for no, no damn reason.
Speaker 5: And I think them trying to use the dog as
Speaker 5: a means to show that he may be a different
Speaker 5: person to get this poodle or whatever it was, just,
Speaker 5: you know, we have to really add a lot of
Speaker 5: shit to make him doing what he did make sense.
Speaker 5: Throughout this whole eight episodes seven, we have not seen
Speaker 5: Bishop disagree with anything Alamo done all season to the
Speaker 5: point where he would turn on him, and that is
Speaker 5: the biggest, biggest issue. The only thing he said was
Speaker 5: I like to surprise people. Well he surprised the fuck
Speaker 5: out of Alamo.
Speaker 2: Hey, best line Alimo had all season.
Speaker 1: What you say about a dog?
Speaker 4: How he did Eddie?
Speaker 8: I think anybody's expendable, like I think he thought, if
Speaker 8: I do something wrong, he'll probably kill me too.
Speaker 1: But she wasn't gonna do anything wrong though.
Speaker 8: She was always what I'm saying, but one false moves.
Speaker 8: I mean, Edie didn't think he did anything wrong either.
Speaker 8: He didn't think about to die. He did though. The job,
Speaker 8: that's the job. That's not the job.
Speaker 1: That's the job.
Speaker 3: If I'm if I'm working as a manager in the
Speaker 3: strip club, the job is to die.
Speaker 1: The job not a magic city. But if you work
Speaker 1: if an Alamo.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I got these drugs running through here, all this
Speaker 6: illegal ship is going on.
Speaker 2: You only get that position if you understand it.
Speaker 1: That's the job.
Speaker 6: So part of the job is when that ship happening,
Speaker 6: you get robbed. You can't say anything. And the thing
Speaker 6: is they made it.
Speaker 5: They made it seem like that he did this for Maddie, right, right,
Speaker 5: that's the problem.
Speaker 1: So no, and why why did he do it for Maddie? Right?
Speaker 5: But when that dude to put his dick up against
Speaker 5: the wall, bro, you don't think he did it.
Speaker 8: I don't think it was. I think it was a
Speaker 8: combination of things.
Speaker 1: But we didn't see what those things were. Biggest problem.
Speaker 6: The only thing, the only thing that we seen was
Speaker 6: Maddie and did him asking her, oh, you want to
Speaker 6: ride home?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: And then kitty big booty ass come running there, jumping.
Speaker 1: Out there out.
Speaker 8: I feel like he always had a soft spot for ruthe.
Speaker 8: I feel like he always told her little little little things,
Speaker 8: you know, here and there, like don't do this, do that.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, make sure you do this,
Speaker 8: make sure you don't do that. Like I feel like
Speaker 8: he always told told her like, look, if you do this,
Speaker 8: you're gonna suck you up.
Speaker 1: And your mom, right.
Speaker 8: But I don't think he was gonna actually kill her
Speaker 8: mom ship.
Speaker 1: If AM asked him to do it, he was gonna
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: I think that was a scare tactic.
Speaker 3: They were scared of the death. Damn wow, who said that?
Speaker 3: I looked corny ass joke.
Speaker 1: I wish I had thought of it, but it was.
Speaker 2: Very entertaining but also unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But I really did like how this episode ended with
Speaker 3: a leg going to see what was about to say,
Speaker 3: lou not go ahead, I was gonna say, I le
Speaker 3: going to see the place that we started off the
Speaker 3: season where Ruth felt like she was like, this is
Speaker 3: the most peaceful, whatever the fuck you know, family, or
Speaker 3: just feeling I've ever had being around these people, and
Speaker 3: he went to go see them and kind of again,
Speaker 3: like y'all talked about, make a full circle moment and
Speaker 3: we get to see force goes through, you know, sit
Speaker 3: at the end of the table.
Speaker 2: You want to think that.
Speaker 3: I will go on record of saying I really really
Speaker 3: liked this scene. I thought this ship was great. I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought Ali going and finding this this fucking weird,
Speaker 3: too good to be true, white family and having a
Speaker 3: seat at their table and then looking down and seeing
Speaker 3: ru at the other end again, I think this is
Speaker 3: This is when I recognized the whole burning Bush thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they're bringing this all the way
Speaker 3: full circle because she's sitting at the head of the table,
Speaker 3: almost like some Last Supper shit.
Speaker 2: I thought this was great. I didn't really care for
Speaker 2: the whole.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to say she's Jesus,
Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know, but I mean, I
Speaker 3: definitely think they were making some kind of reference to
Speaker 3: the Last Supper because she was kind of you can't
Speaker 3: see my arms, but she was kind of sitting like this,
Speaker 3: and then she's said, well, and then they kind of
Speaker 3: the whole God bless us all shit.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a low corny but no, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I think I think this was a great way to
Speaker 2: end this this episode. I really liked all of this
Speaker 2: and the one girl who we thought was gonna come back,
Speaker 2: even though she didn't really, but it was almost like
Speaker 2: they were implying that she could kind of see rue too.
Speaker 1: I like this man's corny. That was corny.
Speaker 5: It's like that was what that was the first episode
Speaker 5: she said it was the same seat she was sitting in.
Speaker 5: You know, I get it, but you know it's all right, cool,
Speaker 5: I'm with you this point right.
Speaker 2: I can't get this ship out of here.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: This man like this didn't mean this ship was like
Speaker 3: what like, damn, get all of this out of here.
Speaker 1: And lying motherfuckers. Marlin who Marlin with me? That was
Speaker 1: his name, that was the name.
Speaker 2: Yes, he changed his name, he became Muslim. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, I leave that like a Muslim transfer day.
Speaker 2: You man, what you mean yeah that Christians? Yes?
Speaker 1: Wow, he lie like did so. I thought the niggas
Speaker 1: just up and line.
Speaker 5: Was like, look, some motherfuckers, I'm just gonna I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get away y'all got a spot for me up here,
Speaker 5: up here, which I got dog the horse, not horse,
Speaker 5: but the counter had a baby and ship like yeah,
Speaker 5: I didn't connect that.
Speaker 2: Hell, I didn't connect that part.
Speaker 1: It was a miracle. Oh oh.
Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine. Smart motherfuckers. But I didn't think
Speaker 3: about it like that. But that's fine. Yeah that works.
Speaker 3: What did you never mind? It don't even matter.
Speaker 10: What did what?
Speaker 2: What the hell did they want? They really?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What did y'all want?
Speaker 5: I just didn't want to end at this point.
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be over.
Speaker 1: That's all. I just make it be over. I ain't
Speaker 1: need none of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I was over. He could have when when Rue died.
Speaker 8: And while we're still doing yeah, well we're.
Speaker 12: Still doing here, all this out of here God, So
Speaker 12: as he found her body, he should have made a
Speaker 12: couple of phone calls, zoom in on his face, cut.
Speaker 1: Scene, wrap out, brosne y'all.
Speaker 4: If it ended, yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Was my hour and seven minutes of this damn show.
Speaker 1: Did nothing.
Speaker 3: It was all the handling business and photo jewels and
Speaker 3: all that, but I'm saying it's not the entire thing home.
Speaker 2: It brought everything home.
Speaker 1: The whole.
Speaker 2: It did the whole.
Speaker 3: Reason of Rue, converting all of the burning bush shit,
Speaker 3: this whole savior complex that Rue all of a sudden had,
Speaker 3: and the fact that she had to die for everybody
Speaker 3: else to be free.
Speaker 2: It brought everything home.
Speaker 3: Y'all might not have liked it, and I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to convince y'all to like it, but y'all can't say
Speaker 3: it didn't like complete the story or complete the whole
Speaker 3: narrative that they were trying to push.
Speaker 2: The story was complete when she rolled over on the couch.
Speaker 4: The story was done.
Speaker 2: The story was complete.
Speaker 5: She was murdered, and her friends think she od like
Speaker 5: the whole time. They don't even know she was gonna
Speaker 5: be killed.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's but you know now that that
Speaker 8: that came in and shut up the club.
Speaker 1: Wow, that.
Speaker 2: Sound crazy. Maddy knows for sure, Matt, He's gonna tell people.
Speaker 2: Maddy's definitely gonna tell people.
Speaker 4: Cassie's not gonna care.
Speaker 1: Cassie ain't even gonna get it.
Speaker 3: I think at some point they'll they'll get to Jules.
Speaker 3: I think I think the word will get out that,
Speaker 3: like Ruth.
Speaker 2: Didn't just passed away, she she was murdered. They killed her.
Speaker 5: Anybody gonna tell it, It's gonna be Maddien because Maddy
Speaker 5: be telling.
Speaker 3: Me, Mattie telling everybody. Bro, all you got to do
Speaker 3: is tell Lexi le gonna make a show about it.
Speaker 7: Let me ask this question, right, So, now that Maddie
Speaker 7: knows Maddie's out of her situation with with Alamo, do
Speaker 7: her and Cassie maintain a friendship.
Speaker 5: That's why Kitty loved to go with her to do
Speaker 5: the whole only man ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, business thing. I don't think it will be friends
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: Because I'm like, Cassie is still in debt from Nate's that.
Speaker 7: I don't understand why they didn't just tell that mansion.
Speaker 7: But whatever, as he still has dad from Nate. So
Speaker 7: she said she said.
Speaker 2: An episode she did.
Speaker 3: She was like, she said it, I owe more than
Speaker 3: it's worse type ship, so it don't even matter as
Speaker 3: well keep them mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she can use the place to make money with
Speaker 2: the girls, so it makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an ugly ass place though, like a god
Speaker 3: damn gingerbread house.
Speaker 2: Yeah it does look crazy, y'all.
Speaker 5: Didn't because it was the scene when she put it
Speaker 5: out and Cassie was in this Barbie house.
Speaker 1: Y'all didn't We didn't say anything about it. Y'all don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck it.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just just in case anybody asked, no talk
Speaker 5: about this scene.
Speaker 1: But that's a reason why, for a reason it was.
Speaker 1: It was it was Cony. You read the red.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to acknowledge it because it was supposed
Speaker 5: to be a big moment.
Speaker 10: Nick.
Speaker 1: They lingered for a minute, they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't even fuck up any other thoughts on
Speaker 3: this episode, the last This is the last we ever
Speaker 3: gonna talk about you for We've been on a long
Speaker 3: journey with this show.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think this show's good.
Speaker 8: It obviously got these actors to a really good point
Speaker 8: because how good the show was. Unfortunately, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, they weren't able to dedicate that same amount
Speaker 8: of time to the show. And obviously the stuff that
Speaker 8: happened with Sam Lewiston, unfortunately, I think kind of kind
Speaker 8: of messed up the last runner this or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I think, ultimately, man, I think it's still you know, solid,
Speaker 4: it could have been.
Speaker 8: Obviously, it could have been better if it still felt
Speaker 8: like that the people were still.
Speaker 10: Around that made the show what it was.
Speaker 8: But I think, you know, like I said in the
Speaker 8: beginning of the show man, I think they did the
Speaker 8: best they could to wrap this thing up. And that's
Speaker 8: where I'm still at with it.
Speaker 3: Strong opening, pitch poor closing. There were some great things
Speaker 3: that was done with this series.
Speaker 6: If somebody asked me should I watch it, would definite
Speaker 6: tell them yes, because I don't think how they ended
Speaker 6: it serves to how good the good moments of those
Speaker 6: first two seasons were. Like I put that up there
Speaker 6: with some of the best TV that you're saying. With
Speaker 6: that being said, I think it ended right on time.
Speaker 6: I did not need another season of this. As you
Speaker 6: can tell about this last episode, they're really grasping the
Speaker 6: straws for say things to do. So I'm glad they
Speaker 6: did ended here and all of my it's a good show.
Speaker 6: Like I would recommend it to people. If someone asked
Speaker 6: me what should you Should I watch you?
Speaker 1: For you? I would definitely tell them yes, Okay, I'll go.
Speaker 3: I guess I agree with Spike. I think that that
Speaker 3: it was it was still and Rod. I guess it
Speaker 3: was a really good show. I think all in all
Speaker 3: that I don't think they shit the bed for the ending.
Speaker 3: I think the ending worked. It could have been a
Speaker 3: lot better. I didn't really need a whole season of
Speaker 3: Western motifs for a show like this, but it's what
Speaker 3: I got. And you know, for a really uneven season,
Speaker 3: I think that they closed the final episode out good
Speaker 3: enough for me to walk away saying, yes, you should
Speaker 3: watch Euphoria. Just be aware that the first two seasons
Speaker 3: are great and the third season is very uneven. So
Speaker 3: I think all in all, Sam Levinson did a good job.
Speaker 2: He needs to go ahead and relish this money because
Speaker 2: he's probably not going to get another job after this.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I think I think they did.
Speaker 1: They did good enough. Yeah, he's he's done, But you know,
Speaker 1: it was a moment in time.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, for a lot of people, they
Speaker 5: took the world by storm. You know, we're gonna see
Speaker 5: a lot of actors from this show go on and
Speaker 5: and a lot of them are already doing really good things,
Speaker 5: and he'll continue to do it. So I think in
Speaker 5: terms of a complete one through three seasons, for the
Speaker 5: most part, you got a beginning.
Speaker 1: Middle, and an end. You know, and uh, whether.
Speaker 5: You like it or not, at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I think there's a conclusion to the story, and you know,
Speaker 5: I think that's all you can hope for, and we're
Speaker 5: not left with, you know, a very ambiguous ending.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's good enough.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, yeah, we're done. What a what a
Speaker 5: last couple of what a ride for the last couple
Speaker 5: of years?
Speaker 1: Huh? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also it's still one of the best looking shows
Speaker 3: that I've seen on TV. They're cinematographers. Even though I
Speaker 3: didn't like the first couple of episode cinematography wise, they
Speaker 3: came together for this last half. Even the episodes I
Speaker 3: didn't like towards the last half of the season, I
Speaker 3: still think they looked really good.
Speaker 2: May what's your thoughts?
Speaker 7: No, I can court with what was just about what
Speaker 7: everybody said. I think ultimately this has been a really
Speaker 7: good show. I think it was a really interesting take
Speaker 7: on addiction. I think that if you are watching the
Speaker 7: show for any of the other reasons, I think going
Speaker 7: into the show, I would say, this is a really
Speaker 7: interest tail about addiction.
Speaker 10: And the impacts of it.
Speaker 7: And I think that because I started to go back
Speaker 7: and rewatch season one in preparation for this, I think
Speaker 7: I rewatched all of it. Yeah, I caught up in
Speaker 7: preparation for this, and the show was really It.
Speaker 4: Was a lot in the beginning, but.
Speaker 7: I think that the impact pays off and the shock
Speaker 7: value pays off when you.
Speaker 10: Realize what this show is trying to showcase.
Speaker 4: And I think I agree.
Speaker 7: Sam Levinson did a really good job with this particular story,
Speaker 7: and the performances were great, and I would suggest it
Speaker 7: to somebody else.
Speaker 10: Again, I wish we could have tied it up a
Speaker 10: little nicer, but ultimately it was a solid three seasons
Speaker 10: of TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is the last great teen drama
Speaker 2: that we had.
Speaker 3: I think we all grew up in the nineties early
Speaker 3: two thousands and we've seen some shit that kind of
Speaker 3: you was talked about around the country, and I think
Speaker 3: this the last show of that. That's like mainstream Lise.
Speaker 3: Everybody got their little nitch shows. But I think this
Speaker 3: is the end of an era with that. And like
Speaker 3: you said, can these these A listers topping up and
Speaker 3: down on this roster? So we'll see them in different shows,
Speaker 3: But I think this this series ended off well. Like
Speaker 3: you said, Loutle, this may be.
Speaker 2: Top fifteen HBO show all time.
Speaker 3: Still, in my opinion, you can make the list top twenty,
Speaker 3: give me top twenty, give me top twenty twenty five. Five,
Speaker 3: Oh you're tripping spider. No, that's top twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: You can't even yeah for real? Yeah, top ten would day?
Speaker 3: This show changed ship. This show made other shows want
Speaker 3: to step up their game as far as how they did,
Speaker 3: like Filmmaker.
Speaker 2: But see, Mike, you ain't. You haven't watched Industry, right,
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 3: It's on my list, you see, like a better than
Speaker 3: this though, and Industry was influenced by this show?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah it was. What does that mean? It's
Speaker 1: still better than Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2: Still better than this. And I ain't saying that, like
Speaker 2: because Euphoria is really good.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying that.
Speaker 2: It's not one of those shows that should have be
Speaker 2: had in the conversation.
Speaker 3: If somebody says Hayes top ten, Hayes top fifteen, top twenty,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to scarf at them. I would have
Speaker 3: the conversation with them and start naming the HBO shows
Speaker 3: that I'm familiar with to say.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's better than this?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Like, you can't say that though? You can't say that
Speaker 3: because Industry it hasn't even ended. It's going to end
Speaker 3: this final season, so you're not get everything into it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the industry is better than this. I'm
Speaker 3: saying the industry is in the conversation with this and
Speaker 3: it ain't even done yet, so I won't even know
Speaker 3: what it's.
Speaker 1: Going to do on their land.
Speaker 2: Just two minutes. Industry is better. I'm not saying industries best.
Speaker 1: Sound like this episode, Spike. The only thing I'm.
Speaker 6: Trying to say is if you're saying that this is
Speaker 6: the top ten HBO show and you haven't seen Industry,
Speaker 6: I don't think that that's.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to you telling me industry is not. No,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I think it's better than Euphoria. Industry.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it hasn't ended yet, so if they blow
Speaker 3: the ending, I may be able to take that back
Speaker 3: and reneed that statement.
Speaker 1: However, right now, industry is better than you for I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna watchst like he sent them to high standards, Bro,
Speaker 3: just doing I want you to recommendations. You're not better
Speaker 3: than you for you. I'm not saying that. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that. Would you say it's not though I know
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, I'm not saying that I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think industry until I see the final season,
Speaker 3: I can't say what that is.
Speaker 1: So you're saying the same thing. Business that's about.
Speaker 2: It ain't that good, Lou and I fun with it,
Speaker 2: but it ain't that Euphoria.
Speaker 6: The whole point right there, This whole his response is
Speaker 6: my point.
Speaker 3: My point is that I don't have I got to
Speaker 3: wait till the final season come out because we've just
Speaker 3: seen the final season of Euphoria and you already concluded,
Speaker 3: all right, this is better now because I've seen the
Speaker 3: ending of this. So I'm saying, we got to put
Speaker 3: up both shows when both shows have ended, and see
Speaker 3: what's we.
Speaker 4: Two and a half hours, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go as.
Speaker 1: Bad, y'all.
Speaker 3: Uh, those are our thoughts on the final season of Euphoria.
Speaker 2: Please let us know what you guys think.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, peace, all right,