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Speaker 1: So this redistricting bank continues to rage on here in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: And now Mitch Daniels, former governor, has weighed in with

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Speaker 1: an op ed in the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He he said that Indiana lawmaker's duty is to

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Speaker 2: their constituents, not to the White House or national political organizations.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, the redistricting debate is fascting because

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Speaker 1: I think it's much bigger than just redistricting. It's like

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Speaker 1: an eye, it's like an opening into the mind of

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Speaker 1: the populace as a collective. Because he used to be

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Speaker 1: able to and I think this is where Mitch Daniels

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Speaker 1: is coming from. Used to be able to sit down

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Speaker 1: with people kind of with facts and go Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: what's actually going on, and the people go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of right now. The people acknowledge what the

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Speaker 1: facts are and they're just straight up don't care. We

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Speaker 1: don't care. Yeah, And so I've thought about this quite

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Speaker 1: a bit over the last week, and several people have

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Speaker 1: sent me messages, including one pretty high profile person here

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Speaker 1: in Indiana politics, and said, I just love how you

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Speaker 1: continue to swat down all the people that come at

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Speaker 1: you on redistricting. And I said, well, what do I care?

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Speaker 1: Like to me, it's the Republicans have done nothing for

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Speaker 1: my family or me. They lie to me all the time,

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Speaker 1: they never follow through, they never do what they promise.

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Speaker 1: So why would I be or why would anyone be

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Speaker 1: invested in more Republicans in the Congress, Because they're never

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Speaker 1: going to govern effectively if you don't make them earn

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Speaker 1: the election and then the people come out and go, well, yeah, California, Okay,

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Speaker 1: First of all, California's California, and California did this in

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Speaker 1: response to Texas to Texas. And if we look at

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Speaker 1: the maps right now, in the way they're drawn, apparently

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Speaker 1: they're so unrigged that the Republicans have been able to

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Speaker 1: secure majorities for multiple elections now since they've been redrawn

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Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives. And I just don't see

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Speaker 1: how adding two more Jefferson Shreeves or Aaron ha Outions

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Speaker 1: or Messmer or whoever pick your favorite underachieving Republican of

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Speaker 1: the seven or make a composite of them, giving them

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Speaker 1: two more seats is going to make the government any better.

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Speaker 1: And the Republicans currently have the House of Representatives. The

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Speaker 1: jerrymandering takes place in all of these states, and then

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Speaker 1: the argument gets even more ridiculous, like that we've said,

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Speaker 1: well Massachusetts, okay, I have challenged for days now somebody

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Speaker 1: to draw me a map. There's all these websites, we

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Speaker 1: can go, draw your own map, draw me a fair

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Speaker 1: map of Massachusetts where Republicans get seats, and nobody'll do

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Speaker 1: it because you can't, because they can. And then the

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Speaker 1: people are like, well, Vermont, Vermont is one representative, are

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Speaker 1: you saying it should be a Republican based on the

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Speaker 1: fact that Vermont is heavily Democrat? Or New Hampshire, which

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Speaker 1: goes to I think they've got two. Well, New Hampshire's

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Speaker 1: gone Democrat in almost all the recent memory presidential elections.

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Speaker 1: Are saying we should just give one of those seats

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Speaker 1: to the Republican. Maine is split in half. One's Republican,

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Speaker 1: one's Democrat. Like they keep using the East Coast, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, but most of these states have like one

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Speaker 1: or two reps and the states are democrat, so it

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Speaker 1: makes sense that the reps would be like, it's just

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Speaker 1: this bizarro totally total ignoring of the facts or totally

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Speaker 1: hiding of the facts. And I'm at a point now

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Speaker 1: where it's like you can't even have an honest debate

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Speaker 1: with people because they don't care what the facts are,

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Speaker 1: and what are the Republicans giving you anyway? What are

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Speaker 1: you getting?

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Speaker 2: So Mitch Daniels said that he acknowledged the pressure that

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Speaker 2: they were getting from the White House, but he said

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Speaker 2: that they should quietly and respectfully pass on the idea.

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Speaker 2: He called it almost without precedent and said that the

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Speaker 2: current maps were drawn by Republicans and are visually reasonable

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Speaker 2: and compact. He said he does support the outcome, but

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Speaker 2: the tactic being employed to get there is not well.

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Speaker 1: And my favorite thing of all of this is these

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Speaker 1: phony outrage from Republicans about Andre Carson. Oh, we got

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Carson. You guys had a chance

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Carson four years ago when you

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Speaker 1: drew these maps the last time, and you deliberately the

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Speaker 1: same people crying foul in many cases are the same

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Speaker 1: people who deliberately made Carson stronger. Because Victoria Sparts is

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Speaker 1: such a lit aloof goof that they were like, we

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Speaker 1: got to figure out a way to save her, and

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Speaker 1: so they made her district more red, and they made

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Speaker 1: Carson's district more blue and they just did this. And

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Speaker 1: it's the hypocrisy of these people where they scream and

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Speaker 1: cry about Andre Carson when they just made him stronger.

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Speaker 2: So there's lots of pulling out there. And it says

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Speaker 2: that Hoosiers mostly opposed the mid decade redistricting, and Daniel

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Speaker 2: said that Charlie Kirk's death became a flashpoint for this,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't justify it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, do you think Mitch Daniels still has the

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Speaker 2: poll in Indiana that he used to Are people listening

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Speaker 2: to what he has to say?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think we've long moved past the idea of

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Speaker 1: this statesman being able to come in and go, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: let's just calm down. I think they were so partisan now,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. Like, his article was very

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Speaker 1: well written, but so many people acknowledge that this is

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Speaker 1: completely political. It's not like they're lying about it. It's

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Speaker 1: not like you have to show the people. We have

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Speaker 1: people like the governor, like Andrew Ireland, State Rep. Like

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Speaker 1: many other reps and senators who are for this, who

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Speaker 1: are just openly admitting, yeah, it's for political reason, but

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Speaker 1: we got to do it. So, how do you have

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Speaker 1: a how do you have an honest, you know, fruitful

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Speaker 1: conversation with that You don't. You don't