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Speaker 2: This is the Second Amendment, and this is the gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Bom Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And good afternoon, Welcome to the gun Guy Show here

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Speaker 4: on ninety three WYBC. We're thrilled that you're with us.

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Speaker 4: Got a lot to get into. Hope you're enjoying this

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Speaker 4: in support of Craig Haggard. If you know Craig. Craig

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Speaker 4: This is for the Salvation Army, and this is clays

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Speaker 4: You we welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WYBC. Got a couple of people

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Speaker 7: bunch of stuff. And I have a lot of firearms,

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Speaker 7: almost all of my bought, you know, privately, most of

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Speaker 7: them through friends in law enforcement. I'm really not concerned

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Speaker 7: about those so much, but I have others I've brought.

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Speaker 7: I bought from friends and acquaintances and stuff, and so

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Speaker 7: I'm auctioned off a whole bunch of other stuff. And

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Speaker 7: so I was going to throw these firearms in the

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Speaker 7: auction and it's uh just probably a little bit more

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Speaker 7: than a hundred firearms. So I've gone to other auctions

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Speaker 7: and when they auction off firearms, usually you buy it

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Speaker 7: and then they transfer it to a licensed gun store

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Speaker 7: and then you go there and you go through the

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Speaker 7: knicks and then you basically pick it up, you know. There.

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Speaker 7: So the auctioneer, which actually used to be an elected

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Speaker 7: in elected office who's an auctioneer, has basically said that

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Speaker 7: when he auctions off everything else I have that he's

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Speaker 7: not he doesn't care. He's not going to go through that.

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Speaker 7: That's somebody else's problem. And now, when I bought firearms

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Speaker 7: through a private citizen, I've had one of my cop

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Speaker 7: buddies called in make sure it's not stolen and things

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Speaker 7: like that. However, it's possible that it could have passed

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Speaker 7: then but then later reported stolen and.

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Speaker 4: Then Fred buddy, this is getting a little along. Can

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Speaker 4: you get to your question?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: My question is what should I do? He's saying he

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Speaker 7: doesn't care. He basically offered off and able to turn

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Speaker 7: around and hand it to him and somebody else's problem.

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Speaker 7: Am I stupid to allow that to happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, listen, I can't give you legal advice on

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Speaker 4: the radio, but I can tell you how the law works.

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Speaker 4: The ATF says that you can always liquidate a private

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Speaker 4: collection and do that as a private individual, and that

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Speaker 4: doesn't put you in danger of being quote unquote engaged

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Speaker 4: in the business of buying and selling firearms that you

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Speaker 4: have to have a license for. And it sounds to me,

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Speaker 4: even though there are a lot of guns involved, that's

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Speaker 4: exactly what you do, and you're just getting rid of

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Speaker 4: guns and taking the money instead of the guns. So

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Speaker 4: you ought to be able to do that, but with

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Speaker 4: that number of guns. And again I'm not giving you advice,

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you if it were me, if I was

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Speaker 4: liquidating that number of guns, I would be uncomfortable going

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Speaker 4: through an auction that where the auctioneer company itself wasn't

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Speaker 4: an actual FFL. And I've been to auctions where the

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Speaker 4: auctioneer company has a Federal firearms license, and so if

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Speaker 4: it were me, I would find an auctioneer that has

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Speaker 4: this federal firearms license and have them do transfers on

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Speaker 4: all of them. Now, that may diminish to some small

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Speaker 4: degree the amount of income you get out of the thing,

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Speaker 4: because they're going to say, well, we got to do

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Speaker 4: all these transfers. But that to me would give me

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Speaker 4: comfort if just if it was me making the decision,

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Speaker 4: because one, I know it's being done legally number one,

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Speaker 4: and two, I know that my guns aren't going to

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Speaker 4: end up, at least not immediately in the hands of

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Speaker 4: people who shouldn't have guns, because all these people go

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Speaker 4: through a background track before they get any of my

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Speaker 4: guns from the auctioneer. So without telling you what to do,

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Speaker 4: that's how I'd approach that issue. Go back to the

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Speaker 4: phone lines, and Kelly has called, is my buddy Kelly?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it sure is. How you doing guy, Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man, Kelly? And Avon, how are you doing, Brotherton?

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Speaker 6: Oh I'm doing real good on a hot Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But I tell you what, before President Trump signed that

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Speaker 6: executive order this week about telling the banks to quit

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Speaker 6: discriminating against people, I would have figured our chances were

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Speaker 6: about slim to none to get a bill related to

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Speaker 6: that through the Indiana General Assembly. I know we had

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Speaker 6: one up last year, it didn't get a hearing, and

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Speaker 6: then twenty twenty four we had one we did get passed,

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Speaker 6: but it didn't have the teeth we really wanted. With

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Speaker 6: the Attorney General's Office being the having the oversight with

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Speaker 6: the big hammer. It ended up being the banking inspectors well.

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Speaker 4: And that was on the watching credit codes, which I'm

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Speaker 4: going to talk about. That's a subset to me of

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Speaker 4: the banking discrimination issue, but I'm going to get into

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Speaker 4: the credit card code issue. But you're right, Kelly, I

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Speaker 4: mean now at least two years. I think I can

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Speaker 4: remember three because the chairman of the Banking and Finance

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Speaker 4: Committee in the House has changed since first time we

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Speaker 4: did it. And where we're trying to get a bill

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Speaker 4: passed in Indiana to prevent discrimination by financial institutions against

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Speaker 4: those involved in the firearm industry or based on firearm

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Speaker 4: ownership or having a firearms related business. And I love

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Speaker 4: the teeth that those bills had in them. And this

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Speaker 4: was a model bill offered by the National Shooting Sports Foundation,

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Speaker 4: who represents the industry including gun stores and trainers and

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Speaker 4: gun ranges and many other businesses in the firearm related industry,

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Speaker 4: and what it said is that if you discriminate against

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Speaker 4: these businesses or these individuals based on their gun ownership

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Speaker 4: or involvement in the firearms industry, that's fine. You can

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Speaker 4: do that all day long, but the State of Indiana

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Speaker 4: will not do business with you. So if if you

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Speaker 4: want to process credit cards for you know, payments made

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Speaker 4: to the State of Indiana, or you know, you want

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Speaker 4: to have any accounts related to business that you know

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Speaker 4: being done with the State of Indiana, you can kiss

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Speaker 4: that all goodbye. We're not telling me how to do it.

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Speaker 4: That's why I liked it, because I'm not a big

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Speaker 4: fan of government telling individual small businesses or big businesses

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Speaker 4: for the most part, how to do business. I'm a

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Speaker 4: hands off, laissez fair conservative in that regard. But when

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Speaker 4: it comes to my Second Amendment rights, I kind of

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Speaker 4: like the idea of saying, discriminate all the hell you

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Speaker 4: want to, we'll just discriminate against you in terms of

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Speaker 4: you doing business with the State of Indiana. I liked

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Speaker 4: that because that wasn't giving them an absolute mandate telling

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Speaker 4: them what to do. It was just telling them there'll

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Speaker 4: be repercussions for discrimination.

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Speaker 6: And not doing business with the great State of Indiana.

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Speaker 6: That's a pretty big stick right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. But that's the bill. And Kelly, thanks

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Speaker 4: so much for calling in. If people don't know, Kelly

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Speaker 4: is the co director of legislative Affairs, I get that right, Kelly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's either a legislative or government.

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Speaker 4: I go, okay, co director of government or legislative affairs

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Speaker 4: the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association. And Kelly does

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Speaker 4: a great job there in the State House. He's been

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Speaker 4: coming for years, even before he was part of the

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Speaker 4: organization that did it, and then IRPA was smart to

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Speaker 4: get him involved and he continues to do a great job.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a break here, we come back.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to talk about these couple of bills, and

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Speaker 4: Kelly and I bumped up against him a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but I want to talk about more specifically what these are,

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Speaker 4: as well as get in a little more detail of

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Speaker 4: what President Trump said in this executive order so people

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Speaker 4: can hear what we're talking about. But again, if you've

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Speaker 4: been the victim of discrimination, and even just on the

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Speaker 4: YouTube chat, my buddy Ross earls that I just had

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Speaker 4: make a rifle for me here. Just last year he

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Speaker 4: owns rock Op Defense Solutions in Avon, just mixed absolutely

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Speaker 4: superior fighting rifles on the AR fifteen platform primarily, and

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Speaker 4: he said it's a long list or something like that

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Speaker 4: in comment to talk in response to my comments about

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Speaker 4: discrimination against gun related businesses by the financial industry. So

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Speaker 4: there you go. But I'd love to hear your stories.

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Speaker 4: Give us a call three one seven two three nine

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Speaker 4: ninety three ninety three. I've got a lot of examples

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Speaker 4: just from talking to a lot of my buddies in

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Speaker 4: the firearms industry. Bug it into more what bills we've

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Speaker 4: had in Indiana where we've had some success where we haven't,

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Speaker 4: and the overlay of what President Trump's executive order has

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Speaker 4: to do with all of this. I'll get into all

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Speaker 4: of that when we come back. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 4: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on three WIBC. So we got a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a short segment here, but President Trump and I'll

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Speaker 4: come back and revisit this after the top of the

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Speaker 4: hour issued this executive order just this last week, last

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Speaker 4: couple of days, and what he says is that he

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Speaker 4: wants banking regulators within the next one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: days to remove the use of consideration of involvement in

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Speaker 4: the firearms industry from the process of banks making financial

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Speaker 4: decisions on who they do business with and who they don't.

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Speaker 4: And this falls under the general category of d banking.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what Operation Choke Point back during the

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Speaker 4: Obama administration focused on, was d banking. They want regulators

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Speaker 4: to stop that practice. Now I'll get into more detail

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Speaker 4: after the top of the hour. Right now, we're taking

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Speaker 4: a break. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 3: Boom boom boom, boom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 3: bang bang.

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Speaker 2: Bom Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back for hour number two of The Gun

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Speaker 4: Guy Show. Here on ninety three WIBC. Before the break,

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Speaker 4: I was talking about this executive board that came out

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Speaker 4: from President Trump. It has to do with d banking

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Speaker 4: of those individuals or businesses involved with firearms or the

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Speaker 4: firearms industry, and it's to prevent the kind of discrimination

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Speaker 4: that we've been seeing for a number of years, certainly

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Speaker 4: since the Obama administration. As I mentioned, and if you

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Speaker 4: talk to somebody in the firearms industry. In fact, my

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Speaker 4: friend Ross, who owns the business that I just bought

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Speaker 4: a rifle from Rockop Defense Solutions at Avon Heap on

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Speaker 4: the YouTube chat, had big, long, multiple paragraphs of all

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Speaker 4: the challenges starting trying to start a new gun manufacturer

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Speaker 4: and retailer and dealing with all the different insurance and

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Speaker 4: banking and credit card issues, not to mention institutions like

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Speaker 4: Google and others. The discrimination is just rampant against Second

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Speaker 4: Amendment related businesses. But the executive order comes out and

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Speaker 4: it really went to primarily the regulators within the federal

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Speaker 4: government that regulate the banking industry, and it said focus

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Speaker 4: on either new rule making or even potentially new legislation

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Speaker 4: that can reduce or eliminate this unlawful d banking that

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Speaker 4: is depriving banking and other financial services on a discriminatory basis,

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Speaker 4: and then also directed the Small Business Administration to, among

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Speaker 4: other things, inform all of the SBA's clients or members

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Speaker 4: that if they've been denied access to payment processing services,

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Speaker 4: for instance, or banking services by financial institutions, that those

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Speaker 4: rights are being restored. And further orders the Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 4: to develop a comprehensive strategy for further measures to combat

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Speaker 4: politicized or unlawful debanking activities. And again this is focused

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Speaker 4: specifically on firearms related businesses. So this is music to

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Speaker 4: my ears. However, just as we said over and over again,

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Speaker 4: when Joe Biden issued executive orders telling the ATF to

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Speaker 4: basically run out and infringe our Second Amendment rights at

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Speaker 4: every opportunity, we would say, hold on, he's trying to

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Speaker 4: do by executive order what only Congress can do. And

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Speaker 4: then we won I say we meaning pro two eight

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Speaker 4: groups like goun Owners of America and Second Amendment Foundation

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Speaker 4: and RA and others one in court because the ATF

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Speaker 4: exceeded its authority and oftentimes changed the words of Congress

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Speaker 4: in trying to do what Biden wanted the ATF to do.

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Speaker 4: For instance, when they banned bump stocks, they essentially changed

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Speaker 4: the definition of machine gun that Congress wrote in the

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Speaker 4: National National Firearms Act in nineteen thirty four. And same

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Speaker 4: thing when they tried to ban forced reset triggers. They

648
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: exceeded their authority and they and their rules were inconsistent

649
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: with the federal statutes they're regulating under. And the same

650
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: argument that we used when we didn't like what Biden

651
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: was doing by executive order, and the same legal arguments

652
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: and the limitations on the process required by what's called

653
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: the Administrative Procedures Act, which tells federal regulations excuse me,

654
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: tells federal agencies how they have to pass regulations and

655
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: how they go through rule making and that whole process

656
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: with public comment, et cetera, et cetera. That's how we

657
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: got the pistol brace regulation declared unenforceable and at court

658
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: in Texas because the ATF didn't comply with the Administrative

659
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: Procedures Act and just sort of made it up as

660
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: they went in a way that wasn't legal, and that's

661
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: why it got tossed. So we're on the other side

662
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: of all those arguments now, and that's okay. If Congress

663
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: is willing to get in at the federal level, and

664
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: to some degree, we can fix a lot of this

665
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: at the state level here in Indiana if we can

666
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 4: get not just the members of the Indiana General Assembly,

667
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 4: but the committee chairs that actually matter on this issue, like, oh, say,

668
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: the Banking and Finance Committee in the Houses and the

669
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: parallel committee in the Senate, where we've bogged down on

670
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: this before. Because if we can get the laws changed

671
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: to make this kind of discrimination illegal or at least

672
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: create important disincentives to make banking institutions financial institutions think

673
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: twice about this kind of discrimination, then we can go

674
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: a long way toward fixing the problem. So, as I

675
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: mentioned on the call with Kelly, we've had a bill

676
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 4: at least twice, i want to say three times filed

677
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 4: in the Indiana General Assembly that would say, hey, financial institutions,

678
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: you can't discriminate against the firearms industry or individuals involved

679
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: in the firearms industry on that basis, and if you do,

680
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: a state of Indiana will discriminate against you by not

681
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: doing business with you. Again, it wasn't a law that

682
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: said you cannot do this, it is illegal because a

683
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: lot of the free enterprise people, a lot of people

684
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 4: supporting the business side of free business unburdened by government regulation,

685
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: said hold On, I had a little bit of problem

686
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: just telling them they can't make their own decisions on

687
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: who they do business with. That's why I like the

688
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: stick that came along with that bill, that is the

689
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: enforcement Provision, because it didn't say they couldn't discriminate. You

690
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: can choose who you do business with, but guess what,

691
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: the state of Indiana can choose who it does business

692
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: with as well. And to a free enterprise guy, that

693
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: sat a little easier with me. But that's the bill

694
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: we can't get through committee. We had it heard in

695
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: the House Banking and Finance Committee. Wants after we had

696
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: a hearing on it, and a lot of people told

697
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 4: a lot of compelling stories. I told my stories about

698
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: how credit card companies didn't want to do business with me.

699
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 4: Charlie Hilton, and the president of the Indiana State Rifle

700
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: and Pistol Association told his story about just because he's

701
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: a president of ISRPA, he had banks not want to

702
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: do business with him, and gun stores, gunshop owners. We

703
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: had a lot of compelling testimony, and then you had

704
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: the Banking lobby people stand up with the gangster style

705
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 4: pinstriped suits. I want to add and think, well, basically,

706
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: we're big banks and we had to do business the

707
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: way we damn well want to do business. It was

708
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: the message I heard I may not be completely objective

709
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 4: in that assessment. And lord and behold, the committee chair

710
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: didn't call it for a vote. We took testimony, we

711
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: heard testimony, the committee heard testimony, but then it didn't

712
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: get a vote, and it never did. It just sort

713
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 4: of went away. And then the next year or two

714
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: we had the same bill offered, couldn't even get it

715
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: a hearing and committee. That's frustrating. Have we done any

716
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: good at all in this area? Well, a couple of

717
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: bills we've had passed who have become law that are

718
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: much more tangential in my mind, I deal with more

719
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: peripheral issues, but on the same subject. Generally, one is

720
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: that the Treasure through one statute, has been directed to

721
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: look at where Indiana pension funds go in terms of

722
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: what financial institutions and determine if they're using these sort

723
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: of woke scoring systems, on on on, oh, and now

724
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: the acronym's not coming to me on social issues. That

725
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: includes participation in the gun related industry as as as

726
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: a means of discriminating against what customers that they that

727
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: they will take or who what businesses they will support.

728
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: That that that those financial institutions that use those sort

729
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: of woke social credit scores for lack of a better term,

730
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: won't be the financial instututions that Indiana invests with for

731
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 4: purpose of it. It's very large and I'm sure very

732
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: lucrative for the financial institutions that handled things like pension

733
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: funds administered by the State of Indiana. So in terms

734
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: of the sort of woke social credit scores that we've

735
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: seen companies utilize, Indiana's taking a step to discourage that,

736
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: one that I was very glad to see pass and

737
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: I testified in favor of this in both the House

738
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: and the Senators. I recall was a bill just in

739
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: the last year. I believed twenty twenty four might have

740
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: been twenty twenty three now I think about it. That's

741
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: a bad thing when you get old, time goes by

742
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: a lot faster. But it was a bill offered by

743
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: Representative Jake Teshka that we got passed signed into law

744
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: by Governor Holcombe and This has to deal with the

745
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: use of merchant credit codes, and what I thought was

746
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: a very devious scheme by gun control proponents, liberals and

747
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: government and the financial industry to not only discriminate against

748
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: gun owners, gun related businesses, or individuals involved in the

749
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: in the firearms industry, to not only discriminate against them,

750
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: but to gather data on them that would be useful

751
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: for future discrimination through merchant credit codes. What are merchant

752
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 4: credit codes? How was that going to unfold? What do

753
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: we do about it here in Indiana? That's what we'll

754
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: go into when we come back. Right now, we're taking

755
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: a break, Give us a call, Join the discussion. Three

756
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Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three three

757
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: one seven two nine ninety three, ninety three. This is

758
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

759
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: Pure Rights with Pure Responsibilities your guns. This is the

760
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WIVC.

761
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Speaker 4: So what did we do here in Indiana to prevent

762
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: the use of quote unquote merchant credit codes in a

763
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: way that can discriminate against against gun related, firearms related

764
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 4: individuals or businesses because you necessarily associate those things merchant

765
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 4: credit codes. Well, what happened is back in September of

766
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, the International Standards Organization, it's actually based

767
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 4: in Switzerland. They're the ones who come up with these

768
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: credit card codes. When you use your credit card or

769
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: your debit card, there's a code that gets associated with

770
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 4: the kind of purchase that you just made, based on

771
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 4: the business that you're doing the transaction in. So, for instance,

772
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: if I stopped off and had lunch on my way

773
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: downtown at a restaurant, then boom, there's a restaurant MCC

774
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: merchant credit code that gets attached to that transaction when

775
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: I paid for my launch. In September of twenty twenty two,

776
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: a number of individuals organizations, including several gun control groups.

777
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 4: We're talking about the Brady Campaign and the so called

778
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: Violence Policy Center and the Gifford Center, Mom's Demand, those

779
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: type people, they had been putting pressure on this International

780
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 4: Standards organization that creates these codes and organizes them and

781
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: distributes them for use by credit card companies. They've been

782
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: putting pressure on that organization to create a new code

783
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: specifically for firearm and ammunition purchases. And what happened in

784
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 4: September twenty twenty two is that group, the International Standards

785
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: Organization agreed to do that and implemented a new code

786
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: for firearms and ammunition merchants. So if you run a

787
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: if I'm in a gun store and I go I

788
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: go into a gun store to do business, and I

789
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 4: use my credit or debit card at the gun store,

790
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: then that code shows up in that transaction, and that

791
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 4: is publicly available information to the extent that the financial

792
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: institutions involve agree to make it public. The financial institution

793
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: keeps that excuse me, keeps that data. And how do

794
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: you know they're even using it? Well, a lot of

795
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 4: us now get summaries at the end of the month.

796
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: Here's your spending information based on the debit card you

797
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: have with our bank. It'll say, do you spend fourteen

798
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: percent on retail and thirty eight percent on dining and

799
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: food and whatever else. Well, that's the data that they've

800
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: collected through the use of those merchant credit codes. But

801
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: why would I mention it's public data to the extent

802
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 4: the financial institutions care to make it public. Because when

803
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: the federal lawmakers who were puts for this, and again

804
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: it wasn't a federal law passed in the United States.

805
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: It was talking this international standards organization to simply implement

806
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 4: this code. But when people were announcing it, like anti

807
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: gun politicians, like the gun control groups, the announcement they

808
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: made they said they called this the first step towards

809
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: facilitating the collection of valuable financial data that will help

810
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: law enforcement, encountering financing, the financing of terrorism efforts, and

811
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: identifying potential mass shooters. Collection of valuable financial data that

812
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 4: will help law enforcement. Well, hold on, what that's telling

813
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: you is the intental along was to collect this and

814
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 4: then turn it over to O, say the ATF, And

815
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: that's going to identify potential mass shooters or the financing

816
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 4: of terrorism efforts simply because I'm using my debit card

817
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: in a gun storm. What makes no sense identifying potential

818
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: mass shooters. Let's focus on that one. And this is

819
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: what we all debated in twenty I believe it was

820
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three when we got our bill passed in

821
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 4: Indiana prohibits financial institutions from using the Merchant Credit Code

822
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: for Firearms Businesses SOLAW in Indiana we successfully got passed.

823
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't get a lot of fanfare like a lot

824
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: of other successes we've had in the General Assembly, but

825
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: I'm damn proud of this one because this was nefarious.

826
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: This was evil. And in terms of the plan to

827
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: collect this data, collected data on law abiding citizens using

828
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Speaker 4: their debut or credit cards in highly regulated, lawful businesses. Now,

829
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: are crimes ever committed to people ever illegally buy guns

830
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: or attempt to do so. Sure, but ninety nine point

831
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: nine percent of the data collector was going to be

832
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: on you and me use our credit are our debit

833
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: cards and gun stores? But why does it make no

834
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: sense that the data would be useful for those purposes? Well,

835
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: first of all, if I go into a gun store.

836
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 4: I mentioned Indie Arms right where I'm going to teach

837
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 4: my gun law class coming up in September. If I

838
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: go into Indie Arms and I buy a two thousand

839
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: dollars gun safe that I've got my eye on, nice, big,

840
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: beautiful Liberty safe. I want that safe, and I put

841
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: my debit card down and I buy my two thousand

842
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 4: dollars Liberty Safe, then there's a code that says I

843
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: spent two thousand dollars at a gun store that shows

844
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: up in my financial data. And if my bank chooses

845
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 4: to share that with law enforcement, which was the plan

846
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 4: all along. Based on the announcements that were made around

847
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 4: the implementation of the merchant credit code specifically for gun

848
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 4: stores or gun and ammunition and related merchants. All it

849
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: says is that Guy Rafford spent two thousand dollars in

850
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: a gun store. It doesn't tell them what I bought.

851
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 4: So I could have bought depending on what rifle we're

852
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: talking about, I could have bought three ars where I

853
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: could have bought two thousand dollars worth of ammunition. Or

854
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: I could have about a gun safe where I could

855
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: have bought four handguns. Nobody knows from that code, from

856
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: that data. And I'm a firearms instructor, So when I

857
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: was teaching a lot more shooting classes, I would go

858
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: in and a lot of times I would have it

859
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 4: as an option for my students, so I would provide

860
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 4: the ammunition if they didn't have to bother bringing their

861
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: own ammunition. So I would buy a lot of ammo.

862
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 4: Hell I like to shoot, I buy ammo in bulk. Now,

863
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 4: so my credit to my debit cards as it will,

864
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: it show if this code were in use in Indiana,

865
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 4: that I'm buying a lot, I am Oh sure, does

866
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 4: that mean I'm a terrorist? Does it mean I'm a

867
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: potential mass shooter? Or does it mean that I'm a

868
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 4: law abiding citizen conducting a lawful business. And who the

869
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 4: hell can tell the difference just based on an amount

870
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 4: of money I'm spending in a gun store. It doesn't

871
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 4: make any sense. It was a trojan horse. It literally

872
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 4: it was a headfake. Oh, we want to do this

873
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 4: to prevent mass shootings and identify potential terrorists. No, you don't.

874
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: You want to track who's buying whatever they're buying, who's

875
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: spending money in gun stores. You want to track that.

876
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 4: You want to turn it over to government, and you

877
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 4: want the government to be able to track it. And

878
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: you even in my mind, and this isn't this isn't paranoid.

879
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: This is exactly what these people wanted, the collection of

880
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 4: valuable financial data that will help law enforcement. If this

881
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 4: is excuse me, I have a little frog in my

882
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: throat here that keeps popping up when I least expect it.

883
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: If if the benefit of this is the collection of

884
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: valuable financial data that will help law enforcement, quote unquote,

885
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 4: what does the government do when you give them a

886
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 4: lot of data like O say, millions and million, tens

887
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: or hundreds. Who knows how many millions of transactions go

888
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 4: on in gun stores every day across this country, and

889
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: certainly the aggregate number to build up an e What

890
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: is the government going to do with that? They're going

891
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 4: to put it in a database, of course they will.

892
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: They're not going to have notebooks, three ring notebooks full

893
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 4: of printed paper sitting around with a bunch of credit

894
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 4: card codes in them. They're going to put it in

895
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 4: a database. And that was a way to track you

896
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: and track me. And if you don't think given the

897
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 4: same banks that are closing accounts based on businesses that

898
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 4: people are are in, or even what private organizations like

899
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Association you may be

900
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 4: part of the leadership of, you don't think they'll start

901
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: shutting down people's credit or debit account you know, checking

902
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 4: accounts based on how much money they're spending in gun

903
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: stores that they can track through these codes. It's a

904
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: basis for discrimination, and it's a basis for government overwatch.

905
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 4: It's a basis for surveillance. I'm telling you right now,

906
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: that's exactly why they wanted to do it, and so

907
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 4: now Indiana is one of just a handful of states

908
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 4: that abandoned banned the use of the merchant credit codes

909
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 4: for firearm stores here in Indiana. And not so long ago,

910
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: for instance, MasterCard came out and said, well, it looks

911
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: like there's some inconsistency among states since we can't necessarily

912
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 4: use these, so we're pausing the use of this credit

913
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 4: card code for gun related purchases or purchases at gun

914
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 4: related businesses. We're going to pause that while we re

915
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: examine it. Boom, big victory right there. But when I

916
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 4: saw President Trump's executive Order Justice last in the last

917
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: couple of days, I got excited because the merchant credit

918
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 4: is all related ab use merchant credit codes again, apart

919
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 4: from the surveillance part, which is nefarious and creepy enough,

920
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 4: but it was it was it was designed to be

921
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: able to allow for discrimination and facilitate discrimination against gun

922
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: related businesses and people who make purchases and gun related

923
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: businesses themselves. There's no doubt about it. And so the

924
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 4: general discrimination Trump's looking to head off, we've already taken

925
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: at least one swing at that successfully here in Indiana

926
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: and there's more work to be done, and the general

927
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: discrimination Bill, the general anti discrimination Bill, is one that

928
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 4: I still want to push. Uh, give us a call.

929
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Speaker 4: You want to join the discussion. Three one seven two

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: three nine ninety three, ninety three. We're taking a break.

931
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Speaker 4: Russ shift gears a little bit. When we come back,

932
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: go to a different subject, and if we got any callers,

933
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: we'll go to the phone lines. Give us a call.

934
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Speaker 4: Three one seven two three nine ninety three nine, he

935
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety

936
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Speaker 4: three WYBC.

937
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: Second to none on this second amendments.

938
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety

939
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: three WYPC.

940
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

941
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC. So I enjoyed reading an

942
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 4: article over at Reason dot com. And if you don't,

943
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: you don't follow Reason. They do a nice job, and

944
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: it's like any other publication. I'm not going to agree

945
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: with everything I see over there, but their approach to

946
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 4: things I think is often rational and factually based, and

947
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 4: that I appreciate. They're also not afraid to call out

948
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 4: other publications when they see things published that are ridiculous,

949
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: like osay the New York Times tends to do on

950
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 4: a regular basis, and the folks over at Reason went

951
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: after the New York Times pretty hard here recently, based

952
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 4: on reporting that the Times did about the shooting in

953
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 4: Manhattan where somebody from Nevada and I don't name these people,

954
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 4: you want to go do a mass shooting because you

955
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: want to be famous, Well, on my little old Saturday

956
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 4: show in Indiana, I'm not going to help. Does that

957
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: make any difference on a national scale, Well, of course not.

958
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: But hey, if we all in the media had the

959
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: same approach, I think we'd have an effect because a

960
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: lot of these people just want to be famous, They

961
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 4: just want their name known across the country. And if

962
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 4: the media would control that, I think we'd cut down

963
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 4: on the number of these things we see. But the

964
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 4: guy in Nevada took his ar, drove to Manhattan, New York,

965
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: went to the building that houses the NFL along with

966
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: several other businesses, and killed a number of people. And

967
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: of course being New York, and there was a mass shooting,

968
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: and one was that I'm I'm sure was designed to

969
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: be much worse than what it was. As horrific as

970
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: it was, I believe five people, including the shooter, lost

971
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: their lives, and as horrific as it was, obviously I

972
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: think the guy designed it to be worse. But the

973
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 4: New York Times, following the Rama Emmanuel approach, would never

974
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 4: want a good crisis to go to waste, and so,

975
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: like we always see anytime we have a shooting, we

976
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: saw demands for gun control and blaming states that don't

977
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: have the worst forms of gun control, like Osay, New York,

978
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: blaming other states and their quote unquote weak gun laws.

979
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: Indiana gets accused of this all the time. Our weak

980
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: gun laws get accused of causing all the gangland shootings

981
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: in Chicago, which of course is ludicrous, but that's what

982
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 4: we get blamed for all the time. Well, here the

983
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: Times decided, well, we'll just blame the weak gun laws

984
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: in Nevada for why we had this shooting in Manhattan.

985
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: And what they focused on was they said that that

986
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 4: the shooter had been committed to a mental institution in Nevada,

987
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 4: which should have made him unable legally prohibited from buying

988
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 4: a gun in Nevada or anywhere else. But the weak

989
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 4: background check systems, the weak background check requirement through the

990
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: laws of Nevada allowed this guy to escape detection even

991
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: though he'd been committed to a mental institution, buy his guns,

992
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: drive to New York and commit the horrible crime. And

993
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 4: the headline from the Times article was gunman's mental health

994
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 4: history did not prohibit gun purchase, and the suggestion was that,

995
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: of course it should have because he was legally prohibited.

996
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: Well was he and what actually happened? And this actually

997
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: points out I think an important issue that that I

998
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 4: deal with is part of my law practice all the

999
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 4: time in explaining to people what issues they're facing if

1000
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 4: they've been denied a gun purchase or denied a handgun

1001
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: license and we're trying to work through exactly what the

1002
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: issue is. I deal with this issue all the time.

1003
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: The law that we're dealing with is a federal state

1004
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 4: part of the Gun Control Acts in nineteen sixty eight.

1005
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 4: It's been a manded, expanded, and amended significantly since nineteen

1006
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 4: sixty eight, primarily through the Brady Bill in nineteen eighty

1007
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 4: four and before that in the Firearm Owners Protection Acts

1008
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six. But one of the things that

1009
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: was built into that law as it exists today is

1010
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 4: that you're prohibited from possessing a firearm if you've been

1011
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: adjudicated to be mentally defective. Is the term in the statute? Now?

1012
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 4: Mentally defective is I think a somewhat objectionable term, as

1013
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 4: not easily offended as I am. That's somewhat of an

1014
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 4: offensive term. But generally that's been interpreted through regulation and

1015
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 4: case law to say, if you've been involuntarily committed to

1016
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 4: a mental institution based on a finding you're a danger

1017
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: to yourself or others, then you're prohibited. Does that mean

1018
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: if you've ever had any mental health treatment that you're

1019
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 4: prohibit possessing a firearm. No, does not mean that. And

1020
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 4: by the way, the Indiana State Police and their application

1021
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: for a licensed to carry handgun, and even though there's

1022
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 4: no license requirement in Indiana, there are many many advantages

1023
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: to having one, and I encourage people who want to

1024
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 4: carry guns certainly to go ahead and get their license

1025
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 4: if they so choose. But in their application it says

1026
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 4: you ever been treated for any form of mental illness.

1027
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, I don't think exact language. You've been treated

1028
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 4: for a mental illness? And so why have people call

1029
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 4: me all the time? I mean they're in front of

1030
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 4: their computer, they're filling out the application, and I'll say, well,

1031
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 4: I'm on antidepressants that my doctor prescribed to me several

1032
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 4: years ago. Do I have to answer yes to this?

1033
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 4: And and and and There is a legal definition in

1034
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: Indiana of mental illness, and typically it involves causing dysfunction

1035
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 4: and your ability to live your life. And a lot

1036
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: of times that what people are being treated for, like

1037
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 4: minor forms of depression, don't reach that level. And it's

1038
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: appropriate and and honest to say no. But other people

1039
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 4: have been treated for other conditions. But if they say yes,

1040
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 4: they'll likely to get denied their license to carry. But

1041
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean they're they're they're legally prohibited, and it

1042
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they won't eventually get their license. What the

1043
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 4: state police really is looking for is someone who's seen

1044
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: you as a mental health care professional, and preferably recently,

1045
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: to say, oh, yes, I treated them for this, that

1046
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 4: or the other thing, but I've never seen any indication

1047
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 4: they're danger to themselves or other But that still is

1048
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 4: not even the real legal steam for possessing a firearm,

1049
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 4: as set forth in federal statutes. That's adjudicated to be

1050
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 4: mentally defective, which means involuntarily committed. That's what applies to

1051
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: the subject matter of this New York Times article saying

1052
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: this guy shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun.

1053
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: He should have shown up if Nevada had decent background checks,

1054
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: was the suggestion of the article. The fact this guy

1055
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 4: had been committed would have shown up. And I went

1056
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: on a little bit of a bunny trail there with

1057
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 4: the Indian analysised carry process a little bit of a

1058
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 4: different issue. But this guy had had mental health issues, Yes,

1059
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 4: had a history of mental health problems. Yes, twice he

1060
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 4: had been briefly held for what in Nevada they called

1061
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 4: this is in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four,

1062
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: a mental health crisis hold. That's when authorities, typically police,

1063
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 4: based on personal observation, have probable cause to believe as

1064
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: a result of, for instance, mental illness or sometimes substance abuse,

1065
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 4: there there's a substantial likelihood of harm to themselves or others.

1066
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: They can be held and evaluated. Indiana has what's called

1067
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 4: an emergency detention, where someone in Indiana could be held

1068
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: up to seventy two hours, taken in by police to

1069
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: a mental health facility and evaluated held up to seventy

1070
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 4: two hours. If within forty eight hours, the institution or

1071
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 4: law enforcement applies to a court to hold them longer

1072
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 4: to be evaluated for a longer period of time to

1073
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Speaker 4: decide whether they should go through the involuntary commitment process.

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Speaker 4: They can be held up to fourteen days if a

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Speaker 4: court approves that, and then potentially can go through an

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Speaker 4: involuntary commitment process and be committed against their will at

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Speaker 4: the time they're committed. After that whole process, that's when

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Speaker 4: they're prohibited from possessing a firearm Voluntarily committed. What about

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Speaker 4: in Nevada what they called a mental health crisis hold

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Speaker 4: or in Indiana hear what we call an emergency detention.

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Speaker 4: If you go through one of those, or let's say

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Speaker 4: you check yourself in. I've had people call me going

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Speaker 4: I've had some horrible things happen in my life. I

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Speaker 4: don't think I can deal with this stress. I want

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Speaker 4: to check in voluntarily to the Saint Vincent Stress Center

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Speaker 4: or whoever wherever it might be. I'm going to seek

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Speaker 4: out some help and I want to check myself in

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Speaker 4: and get it on an inpatient basis. Am I going

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Speaker 4: to lose my gun rights. I was well go into

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Speaker 4: when we come back, was we wrap up this week's

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Speaker 4: edition of The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 2: Second to nine on this Second Amendment.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back for the last segment here on The

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Speaker 4: Gunky Show on ninety three WIBC. And you know, talking

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Speaker 4: about the menst mental health issue. One thing is it

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Speaker 4: breaks my heart is when people are calling me, like

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Speaker 4: I mentioned before the break, and they're considering going and

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Speaker 4: getting treatment because they feel like they need treatment, but

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Speaker 4: they're hesitating because they're concerned they're going to lose their

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment rights. And I can't honestly tell them, no,

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Speaker 4: there's no possibility of that happening. For instances I've reported

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Speaker 4: on before and it got people upset, but what I

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Speaker 4: said was exactly accurate. That is the VA, even where

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Speaker 4: veterans have a significant disability rating, for instance, based on

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Speaker 4: a PTSD and they've pointed a fiduciary to handle their

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Speaker 4: VA benefits, some veterans, particularly under Obama and Biden, were

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Speaker 4: getting letters from the federal government saying they were legally

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Speaker 4: prohibitive from possessing firearms. Did that actually meet the definition

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Speaker 4: of adjudicated to be mentally defective? I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: And we've had acts in Congress introduced and in fact,

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Speaker 4: well we just had one tagged on to the most

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Speaker 4: recent appropriations bill that would actually prevent that from happening.

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Speaker 4: That's a great thing, But it was the Times, the

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Speaker 4: New York Times correct when they said that based on

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Speaker 4: this guy going through this mental crisis, hold and similar

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Speaker 4: thing we have here in Indiana, an emergency detention, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of times red flag cases start with an

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Speaker 4: emergency detention. I've seen that happen over and over and

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Speaker 4: over again. But I'm not talking about red flag I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about separate from a red flag proceeding. Are you

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Speaker 4: prohibitive from possessing firearms simply because law enforcement has taking

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Speaker 4: you in, taking you to a mental hospital, for instance,

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Speaker 4: and had you held and evaluated. That's what happened in Nevada,

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Speaker 4: That's what happens often here in Indiana. But it's what

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Speaker 4: happened with the Manhattan mass shooter. Was New York Times

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Speaker 4: correct that he'd been committed therefore he was legally prohibitive

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Speaker 4: from possessing the firearm. No oh no. That first step

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Speaker 4: of being held and evaluated is just that that's held

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Speaker 4: and evaluated until authorities take the next step and actually

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Speaker 4: have you committed against your will. Now you're being held

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Speaker 4: briefly and evaluated against your will. If people call me

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Speaker 4: and when they've been released very upset saying I had

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Speaker 4: false allegations made against me, there was no way I

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Speaker 4: was a danger to myself or anyone else. I'd just

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Speaker 4: sit in a hospital for twelve or fourteen or twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours. But they're held against their will, yes, but

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Speaker 4: only while they're being evaluated and not based on an

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Speaker 4: actual determination and an adjudication that they're a danger to

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Speaker 4: themselves or others. That's what separates that emergency hold. That's

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Speaker 4: why New York Times was wrong. I was glad to

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Speaker 4: see Reason dot Com call them out, and it was

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Speaker 4: appropriate they did so. But it's also something we need

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Speaker 4: to take a look at, and it's something that I've

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Speaker 4: been concerned with about the abuse of our red flag law,

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Speaker 4: accusing people of being mentally ill when they're really not,

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Speaker 4: and then having a red flag proceedings started where even

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Speaker 4: though they had not legally prohibited under the Federal Statute.

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Speaker 4: Now they are because they've been red flagged and they

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Speaker 4: have to go through that process in state court. Whole

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Speaker 4: another discussion. We're wrapping it up for this week. They

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Speaker 4: hope you enjoyed it. You hope you come back. I

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Speaker 4: always shoot straight, be safe. This is Guy Ralford on

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Speaker 4: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC