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Speaker 1: Live from ball hartber and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, welcome to Tony Katz today. I am

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Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge on day number two of filling in for

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Speaker 2: mister Catz. And obviously the big national news where Indiana

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Speaker 2: is ground zero four was the vote that took place

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Speaker 2: on the flour of the Illinois I'm sorry the Indiana Senate. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I got that slip there. I make my home and

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Speaker 2: live in the great state of Illinois right to the

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Speaker 2: west of you. But Indiana, you Hoosiers, great people, great

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Speaker 2: football team, great basketball team, Purdue. But the Senate kind

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Speaker 2: of didn't do what they were supposed to do yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and the Republicans didn't do what they were supposed to

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Speaker 2: do and redraw the maps and get the two extra

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Speaker 2: Republican seats in the congressional map of Indiana. That did

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Speaker 2: not happen, and the Democrats won nationally the left one yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations Indiana senators who voted no on the map. Now

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Speaker 2: a little pig behind the curtain here. This is as

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Speaker 2: we mentioned it a little bit yesterday when we filled

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Speaker 2: coinciding with brand spanking new studios at the flab flagship

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Speaker 2: station of the Tony Katz Today Show, which is WIBC

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis, and they are upgrading, leveling up all their

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Speaker 2: all's great. Right. I mean, that's what you listen to.

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Speaker 2: My favorite's You listen to someone's voice on talk radio, right,

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Speaker 2: You're normally listening to Tony Katz, old friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: old radio friend of mine, very old radio friend of

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Speaker 2: mine is in like fifteen years and I think we're

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Speaker 2: approximately the same age. I said this yesterday. Tony's hair

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Speaker 2: to get to. On Tony Katz today, I am Mike Coolidge,

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. We're back on Tony Katz today. Uh

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Speaker 2: That was the whole argument. Yeah, tradition. We don't want

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Speaker 2: your political careers just ended today, Baron Trump BT News.

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Speaker 2: Trump's redistricting effort until Indiana toward the left. This was

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Speaker 2: a choice, a deliberate one. If you vote with Democrats

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Speaker 2: These names, these names need to be remembered when primary

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Speaker 2: season comes, not debated, not excused, print it, save it,

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Speaker 2: circulate it. Indiana needs backbone, not double agents. One more

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Speaker 2: If that makes sense, because only three of our seventeen

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Speaker 2: Freudian slip. Republican senators, the twenty I mentioned in Indiana

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Speaker 3: Some will say these maps are political.

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Speaker 2: Let me be clear.

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Speaker 3: You're damn right they are.

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Speaker 3: Policy is political. Safe streets are political. Look at Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Vote yes for this map, Vote yes for two more

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Speaker 2: that vote know on this. Yesterday make their voice hurt.

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Speaker 2: Some of these senators are up for election in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six next year, some of them are up in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. This isn't personal. This isn't you know,

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Speaker 2: vindictiveness or nothing. This this is how it works. You

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Speaker 2: vote for our interests, you get reelected, you vote against them,

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Speaker 2: we find someone else to take that role. It's that simple,

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Speaker 2: nothing personal. Out you go. And if you listen to

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Speaker 2: the rationale. Some of these senators in Indiana they can't

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Speaker 2: understand that. Ear least the one who was on who

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Speaker 2: so I'm probably not going to play it. But suffice

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Speaker 2: is to say he's had the reason that they voted known.

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Speaker 2: This was tradition, tradition, tradishan, tradish on little fidger on

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Speaker 2: the roof for you. That's the reason that alone. I'm

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Speaker 2: all for tradition, but when you do it to spite

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Speaker 2: your own face, it's really really not going to work

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Speaker 2: out well for this country. I think some of these

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Speaker 2: people are going to live with the results and they

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Speaker 2: might not be a state Senator in two years, in

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Speaker 2: four years, and they're gonna be okay. I honestly don't

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Speaker 2: think them they fear their jobs that much because they're

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Speaker 2: going to lose them. I mean, hopefully they will lose them.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't care about the country and you

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Speaker 2: see where it's going, that is something that I hope,

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Speaker 2: I hope hits them a little bit harder when they

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Speaker 2: see what happens when the Democrats take over the House

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Speaker 2: next year. We'll we're at back on Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 2: I am Mike Coolidge. Stay with us. We're back on

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge. I cannot comment

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Speaker 2: But they're doing their magic back in Indianapolis and Ozzy

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Speaker 2: And we have a whole lot more coming up on

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. Mike Coolidge filling in for Tony. We're

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Speaker 2: going to we might continue to talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: still about the terrible, terrible decision that the Indiana Senate

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Speaker 2: made yesterday about not saying yes to the maps. Twenty

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Speaker 2: one senators voted no. Republican senators voted no. They had

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Speaker 2: the ability to do. They were all set to say yep.

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Speaker 2: The Court said, yep, you guys passed this. Good. The

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Speaker 2: governor said, yep, I'll sign it if you guys pass it.

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Speaker 2: They said no because of tradition. I guess like they

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Speaker 2: the word that I've been told as to why they

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Speaker 2: voted no on this. Anyone hear anything different, message me

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Speaker 2: at Coolidge ko l ipgd on X. We will be

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Speaker 2: right back on Tony Kats Today. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Live from ball heartb and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, well kind of it's kind of Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today. The show Tony Kats Today is going on

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Speaker 2: right now, is un fortunately, if you love Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: not being hosted by Tony Kats Today. There's a fill

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Speaker 2: in host named Mike Coolidge that would be yours truly,

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Speaker 2: and he abhors when people talk in third person. We

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Speaker 2: have a lot to get to this hour. In case

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Speaker 2: you're just joining us, uh yeah, or in case you're

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Speaker 2: in case you've been asleep. Since yesterday, the state of

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Speaker 2: Indiana has been ground zero for national news. It's the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Illinois There I go again, because I

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Speaker 2: live in Illinois. Sorry Fortigan slip. You know, the whole

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Speaker 2: states beginning with I named after American Indian tribes. Indiana,

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Speaker 2: the state of Indiana, was in the news yesterday, of course,

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Speaker 2: and still is today for the terrible, terrible decision that

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Speaker 2: twenty one Indiana Republican senators made to not redraw the

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Speaker 2: maps in Indiana for a reason unknown other than tradition.

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Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, there's no reason, no rhyme,

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Speaker 2: or reason whatsoever that they voted to not redraw the maps.

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Speaker 2: Considering that so many states throughout the country, particularly those

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Speaker 2: not to counteract that and give the left and the

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Speaker 2: Dems what they want and very likely more power in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six when we have the midterms. This in

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Speaker 2: Tennis would be called an unforced error made yesterday in

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Speaker 2: Indiana's state capital. And we're not going to feel the

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Speaker 2: ramifications of this today or tomorrow. We will a year

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Speaker 2: from now and possibly for the rest of this decade.

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Speaker 2: If somehow Democrats take control of the US Congress again.

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Speaker 2: That's a very very high possibility now, or it's a

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Speaker 2: higher possibility now because of what the Indiana senators did

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Speaker 2: yesterday extremely unfortunately. You know, there's an old line in politics.

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Speaker 2: A guy named Tip O'Neil made it back in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: He was a Democrat House speaker. He was buddies with

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, and anyone know what that phrases. It's an

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Speaker 2: old one. It's all politics is local, right. The idea

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Speaker 2: behind that is, look, people care about their communities, and

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Speaker 2: their neighbors and their towns and their counties. First, that's

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Speaker 2: what they care about most. So if you're doing things

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Speaker 2: that benefit people in their personal lives locally some way,

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Speaker 2: you're getting out of their way maybe with laws, or

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Speaker 2: you're in acting laws that help them live their lives freely.

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Speaker 2: You protect the rights, you know. The purpose of government

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Speaker 2: is to create laws. Purpose of government is to protect

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Speaker 2: the rights of people and do things that the private

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Speaker 2: citizenry can't do on its own, like you know, or

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Speaker 2: maybe they could do it on their own, but it

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Speaker 2: might not be in the most efficient way, like paving roads,

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Speaker 2: filling potholes, you know, running school districts. Although there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of arguments to be made that privatizing schools is

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Speaker 2: results in much better students, you know, having much higher education,

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Speaker 2: much better education, and higher test scores. Anyway, I digress.

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Speaker 2: The point is, yeah, that's true, all politics is local.

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Speaker 2: But the alternative to that, or the axiom to that,

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Speaker 2: lot of things that happen nationally that happen in Washington,

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Speaker 2: the President that affect you locally. So who we send

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Speaker 2: to Washington, d C. To represent us to pass laws

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Speaker 2: and to get rid of bad laws isn't. And I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you I did an internship on Capitol Hill way

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Speaker 2: back in the nineties the Gingrich Revolution. Yes, I'm dating myself.

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Speaker 2: I was there when I saw the House go from

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Speaker 2: Democrat control to Republican control. What every congressman I talked

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Speaker 2: to there and every staffer, every congressman said, and it's

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Speaker 2: still true to this day, is when you're in the minority,

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Speaker 2: you have next to no power. Yes, you can do

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Speaker 2: some things for your constituents. Yes you can. You know,

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Speaker 2: have a flag flown on the top of the Capitol

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Speaker 2: and mail it to a constituent. You can help a

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's things that you can do as a congressman,

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Speaker 2: when you're in the minority, you can't do much. The

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Speaker 2: chair of the all of the committees are held by

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Speaker 2: the people who have the majority there. They have subpoena power,

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Speaker 2: they have major, major amounts of you know, power over

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Speaker 2: You don't have that if you if you're not in

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Speaker 2: the majority in Washington, DC, you have next inn of power.

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Speaker 2: And that's why you see a lot of congressmen retiring

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Speaker 2: when they see the writing on the wall that they're

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Speaker 2: going to be in the minority, because you know what,

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Speaker 2: it's not a whole lot of fun when you're in

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Speaker 2: the minority in Washington. One of the biggest differences between

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Speaker 2: I've been asked this before. I remember an uncle of

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Speaker 2: in my early twenties. Maybe you know, It's like, why

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Speaker 2: are you a Republican? Why are you an serve it?

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Speaker 2: Why do you want to get involved with the government

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Speaker 2: If you don't like the government, why do you want

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Speaker 2: to you know, work in government or work or even

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Speaker 2: get elected to office. Let's say, if you yourself like

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Speaker 2: don't like the government, what the government is? I never

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Speaker 2: understood that he said to me about Republicans, and my

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Speaker 2: response to him was getting elected to office as a

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Speaker 2: Republican and being in power as a Republican. Let's say,

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Speaker 2: whether it's you know, in a in the legislative side,

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Speaker 2: presidency or a mayor of a town. It isn't just

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Speaker 2: about enacting good policy and getting rid of bad laws

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Speaker 2: and you know, doing work on behalf of citizens. You

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Speaker 2: know what else it's about. It's key. It's about keeping terrible,

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Speaker 2: and crave power, who get intoxicated by power, away from him.

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Speaker 2: And do you not agree that there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: people who shouldn't have power. Case and point COVID. The

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Speaker 2: and everyone listening to this has been alive to remember

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Speaker 2: it unless you're a three or a four year old.

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Speaker 2: And if you're listening to this, good on you. I

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Speaker 2: mean that's if you're three or four years old, you're

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Speaker 2: listening to radio talk radio, especially you're a sharp boy

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Speaker 2: or girl. Good job kid, you don't remember COVID back

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Speaker 2: three four years ago. Every other person listening to this

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Speaker 2: remembers it, and Man oh Man in Illinois did the

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Speaker 2: tyrants named JB. Prisker tried to gain as much power

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Speaker 2: as humanly possible over the people he works for, but

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Speaker 2: doesn't realize that his constituents, people all over the country

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Speaker 2: who had d's next to their name, saw that. They

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Speaker 2: rubbed their hands together. Ah, we've got so much. We're

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Speaker 2: going to shut down churches, We're gonna shut down restaurants.

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Speaker 2: We're going to compel people to get vaccines that aren't

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Speaker 2: tested yet. We're going to make people order them to

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Speaker 2: wear masks, no matter if any science backs it up

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was talk about the really showing people

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Speaker 2: who they are. What's the old quote by Maya Angelou.

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Speaker 2: You know when someone shows you or tells you who

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Speaker 2: they are, believes them. Oh Man, did a lot of

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Speaker 2: Democrats show their true colors back during COVID, All of

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Speaker 2: those people who went with the extreme government overreach, then

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Speaker 2: all of those people should never be an elected office

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Speaker 2: ever again. They should have, you know, great lives and

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Speaker 2: do whatever they want to do, and you know, live

652
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Speaker 2: their lives no problem, but not be in positions of power.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear why on the other side of the break,

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Speaker 2: we should keep certain people away from power. When I

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Speaker 2: say certain people, I mean, for the most part, Democrats,

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Speaker 2: people with DZ next to the name. What could happen

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Speaker 2: when people get in power who aren't paying attention to

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Speaker 2: a lot of the government programs? And well, you'll see

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about. This absolute crazy scandal up in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota that we only touched on on yesterday's show. We're

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Speaker 2: getting to get into it. On the other side of

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Speaker 2: the break, this is Tony Kats today. I am Mike

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Speaker 2: Coolidge in for Tony Stay with us, Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to Tony Cats today. I am Mike Coolidge

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Speaker 2: in for Tony Cats. So what happens when Democrats are

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Speaker 2: in charge of things? What happens when I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Republican senators decide in a state house to not take

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Speaker 2: advantage of an opportunity to add easily to Republican seats

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Speaker 2: to the US Congress, much like Democrats and other states

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Speaker 2: have been doing four years. There's probably anywhere from I

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Speaker 2: don't know, fifteen to twenty seats that should be Republican.

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Speaker 2: If Master Jorman properly held by Democrats, that should be

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Speaker 2: held by Republicans because of jerry mandering and other states,

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Speaker 2: and Indiana had an opportunity to fix that yesterday by

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Speaker 2: two seats, which might make the difference in the midterms,

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Speaker 2: but they did not. Anyway, what happens, what's the result

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Speaker 2: of that? You know, this isn't a game where well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Indiana has twenty and Georgia and the National

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Speaker 2: Championship has seventeen. That's it. Indiana is National champions by

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Speaker 2: the way. That is what's going to be the National

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Speaker 2: Championship this year. It's going to be Indiana versus University

682
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Speaker 2: of Georgia, just so you know. And so, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And then they got more points and on they go. No,

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Speaker 2: this isn't just about points and who's in charge. It's

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Speaker 2: about the policy that's enacted.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Up in Minnesota, which is not as blue a state

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Speaker 2: as Illinois, but it's a blue state. They have Republican

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Speaker 2: congressman there, not a lot, I think one or two,

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Speaker 2: but only a couple of years ago they had Tim

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Speaker 2: Paul Lenti, the statewide governor there. Pretty conservative guy too,

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Speaker 2: I think he ran for president for five minutes. They

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Speaker 2: had a Republican US Senator too. They're not that far

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Speaker 2: gone Minnesota, and they always had three or four. They're

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Speaker 2: always like a D plus four or five when they

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Speaker 2: talk about the electoral college. But again, because Democrats are

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Speaker 2: much better at getting their voters out and that whole

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Speaker 2: all that, the whole mechanism of voting than Republicans are.

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Speaker 2: They have the power there. Well, this is what happened

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Speaker 2: when they got powered. This is from CBS News, not

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Speaker 2: a conservative outlet. Jonah Kaplan see how Minnesota fraudsters spent

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Speaker 2: millions earmarked for hungry kids, luxury cars, private villas, overseas

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Speaker 2: wire transfers. CBS News obtained dozens of files and photos

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Speaker 2: that reveal how Minnesota fraudsters blew through hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: in taxpayer dollars as part of one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: COVID era fraud schemes. Talking about COVID, files document a

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Speaker 2: spending spree in which defendants, many of Somalia Somali descent,

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Speaker 2: took taxpayer money meant to feed hungry children and used

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Speaker 2: it to buy cars, property, and jewelry. Videos show them

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Speaker 2: popping champagne at an opulent Maldeds resort. In a text message,

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Speaker 2: one defendant boasts you are going to be the richest

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Speaker 2: twenty five year old insha allah, which means God willing.

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Speaker 2: The documents feature exhibits from a recent federal trial, many

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Speaker 2: of which are being made public by CBS News for

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Speaker 2: the first time. Did the exhibits include a confirmation email

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Speaker 2: for us stay in an overwater villa with a private

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Speaker 2: pool at Radison Blue Resort, Maldives lakefront property in Minnesota, Erd,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's one property of Minnesota, showing wire transfers

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Speaker 2: to China and East Africa, first class tickets to Istanbul

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Speaker 2: and Amsterdam, a twenty twenty one Porsche Makin. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that right, Stas. I don't have a Porsche?

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Speaker 2: Is it Macan? I don't know. Sacks of cashed texted

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Speaker 2: between defendants and so on and so forth. At the

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Speaker 2: senden thing of a defendant who used taxpayer funds for

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Speaker 2: cars and Maldives and the Maldives for Maldives vacation, twenty

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Speaker 2: four year old Dimajad Mohammad nur Us District Judge Nancy

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Speaker 2: Brazil admonished him, saying, quote, where others saw a crisis

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Speaker 2: and rushed to help, you saw money and rushed to steal.

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Speaker 2: He was sentenced to ten years in prison in order

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Speaker 2: to pay nearly forty eight million in restitution for his

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Speaker 2: role in the fraud scheme. Nor is one of dozens

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Speaker 2: who siphoned hundreds of millions and stolen taxpayer funds, with

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Speaker 2: questions still swirling about where all the money went. The

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Speaker 2: crime has drawn renewed attention in recent weeks. House Republicans

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Speaker 2: last week launched a probe into Minnesota Governor Tim Wallas's

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Speaker 2: handling of the cases, and the Treasury Department said it

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Speaker 2: will investigate whether money made its way to Al Cada

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Speaker 2: affiliate Al Shabab, which is based in Somalia. Scott Dessent,

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Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary, said Sunday on faced the Nation, a lot

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Speaker 2: of money has been transferred from the individuals who committed

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Speaker 2: this fraud. Much of that money has gone overseas, and

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Speaker 2: we're tracking that both to the Middle East and to

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Speaker 2: a Maya to see what the uses of that have been.

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Speaker 2: Multiple federal investigators told CBS News there's no evidence taxpayer

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Speaker 2: dollars were funneled to Al Shabab yet, and prosecutors have

746
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Speaker 2: yet to present any evidence linking any of the fraudsters

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Speaker 2: to terrorism. Yet I'm adding the Yet the vast majority

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Speaker 2: of the money that these folks made went to spending

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Speaker 2: on luxury items for themselves. Does this make it okay?

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Speaker 2: There have never been any evidence that this money went

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Speaker 2: to fund terrorism, nor is there any evidence that that

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Speaker 2: was the intent of the seventy people who were indicted. Uh, Okay,

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Speaker 2: who cares? They still did extremely egregious, unethical and illegal things.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there any sense of you know, guilt?

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Speaker 2: Is there is there any sense of shame on the

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Speaker 2: part of these of these people who were you know,

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Speaker 2: arrested for this. The CBS News review of the file

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Speaker 2: shows the defendants wires wired millions and stolen funds overseas,

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Speaker 2: including to banks and companies in China. Official said finding

760
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: the ultimate receipt of money routed through China will be

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Speaker 2: challenging because it can be an investigative black hole. So

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Speaker 2: defendants also transferred nearly three million dollars to accounts in Kenya.

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Speaker 2: Abdi Zizi's Chaffi Farah thirty six, who was sentenced to

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Speaker 2: twenty eight years in prison last month for his role

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Speaker 2: in the scheme, made six separate wire transfers were worth

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Speaker 2: more than one million dollars to banks in China between

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Speaker 2: February and July of twenty twenty one, according to records

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Speaker 2: reviewed by CBS News. Do you remember I can vividly

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Speaker 2: remember the sort of crisis that was going on. I

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Speaker 2: want to say, was about this time of the year,

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Speaker 2: either in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. I seem

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Speaker 2: to remember, like Lindsey Graham on the floor of the

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Speaker 2: Senate talking about like trillion dollars that was going to

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Speaker 2: be spent to deal with this COVID stuff. Four trillion.

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Speaker 2: That's four thousand billion. That's how much. Four trillion is.

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Speaker 2: Four thousand billion, not four thousand million. Four thousand billion,

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Speaker 2: that's what four trillion is. That is a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you've ever been audited by the IRS, or you

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Speaker 2: pay your taxes, you play by the rules, you send

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Speaker 2: your money to DC. What's the old line a fine?

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Speaker 2: This isn't even a line. I think it's like a

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Speaker 2: fortune cookie. A fine is when you do something is

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Speaker 2: when you do something bad. A tax is when you

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Speaker 2: do something good. Either way, the government's getting your mone right.

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Speaker 2: If you're successful you get taxed. If you do something bad,

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Speaker 2: you get fined. Guess who gets the money either way,

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Speaker 2: the government. And this is the kind of stuff they

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Speaker 2: did with it. And all almost all of these kind

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Speaker 2: of programs were run in Minnesota by Democrats, or at

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Speaker 2: least it was under the umbrella of Democrats at the time.

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Speaker 2: What do they think about it? Well, we'll hear from

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Speaker 2: that Governor Wall's character on the other side of this break,

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Speaker 2: this is Tony Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge. That's

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Speaker 2: spelled with a K in for Tony. Stay with us.

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Speaker 2: We're back on Tony Cats today. I am Mike Coolidge

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Speaker 2: in for Tony. I believe Tony will be back on

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Speaker 2: these airwaves on Monday. But this is day number two

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Speaker 2: of filling in for Tony and I love it. I

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Speaker 2: love talking to his listeners. I know he's built a

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Speaker 2: huge following over the many years he's been on the radio,

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Speaker 2: particularly in Indiana. I know where the show is broadcast from,

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00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: but I know it's on other great stations as well.

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Speaker 2: I make my home in the Midwest to just one

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Speaker 2: state over, the great state of Illinois. It is a

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Speaker 2: great state. I love Illinois. I'm here by choice, me

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Speaker 2: and my wife moved here. Well, I moved here in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and my wife a couple of years before me,

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Speaker 2: but she grew up in Georgia, which is why we're

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Speaker 2: big Guga Georgia fans. I grew up in New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: went to school in Boston, was in the Army for

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Speaker 2: six years, was in Louisiana and Kentucky and Chicago and

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Speaker 2: Kuwait and Iraq, and then moved back to Chicago. When

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Speaker 2: I got out of the army, hosted or produced a

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Speaker 2: helped produce a radio show out of Chicago for half

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Speaker 2: a year or so. Then got my own talk show

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, syndicated it in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight and did it all the way until twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and then ran for Congress, was not successful,

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Speaker 2: and have been working behind the scenes in politics for

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Speaker 2: the last two years. I also am the county chairman

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Speaker 2: of our local Republican Party. We have a US Senate

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Speaker 2: and US governor statewide race coming up next year and

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Speaker 2: some other statewide races, and don't count Illinois out as

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Speaker 2: far as winning a one of those two, possibly both.

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Speaker 2: It's I know it sounds crazy blue Illinois, but there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of Pritzker fatigue in our state, let's put

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Speaker 2: it that way, And we have a couple of really

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Speaker 2: good Republican candidates running against him. He's running for his

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Speaker 2: third term, and man, would that be embarrassing if this

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Speaker 2: guy who has delusions about running for president gets shellacked

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Speaker 2: and loses the governor's mansion next year and then his

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Speaker 2: political career is completely done. That's not that far fetched.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things have to go the Republicans way,

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Speaker 2: but it could happen in the US Senate race too.

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Speaker 2: It's an open seat. Durban's retiring, and there's three Democrats

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Speaker 2: running against each other. They are going to pound the

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Speaker 2: heck out of each other before the primary, which is

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Speaker 2: in March for US. And then there's really only one

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Speaker 2: serious Republican running and he's going to come out on

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Speaker 2: top of the primary, and he has a decent shot

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Speaker 2: at winning statewide. Believe it or not, Check this space

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: in one year and we'll see if my prediction is true. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's unlikely, i would say, or it's that the odds

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Speaker 2: are not super high, but there is a chance for

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Speaker 2: both of those. So mark my words now up in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, the point of all that is tell you

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Speaker 2: a little bit about me and where I come from

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Speaker 2: and where I live. But I love the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 2: I am extremely impressed by the Purdue basketball team and

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Hoosiers football team. My goodness, what an incredible

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Speaker 2: year they had, the best year ever. I don't care

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Speaker 2: what happens for the rest of this college football playoffs.

854
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Indiana Hoositers like undefeated, beat Ohio State, beat every team

855
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: they played, beat Oregon. I mean, wow, what a thing.

856
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: And I as a Georgia Bulldog fan who's watched my

857
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: team win two national championships in the last couple of years.

858
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: If they wind up making it to Indiana or actually

859
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: to Miami, because that's where the national Championship is going

860
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: to be. If they wind up playing Indiana in the

861
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: National Championship and Indiana wins, I'm not gonna cry. Honestly,

862
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: Georgia had a great year. If they make it to

863
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: the national championship again, great. I'll tell you when I

864
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: was sitting there in Indianapolis, of all places, when I

865
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: watched the Georgia Bulldogs win the national championship back in

866
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, beating Alabama, well It was really cool

867
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: about watching that game, first of all, in Indianapolis, a

868
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: frigidly cold January in Indianapolis, surprise, surprise. But had a

869
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: fantastic time there before the game, During the game obviously,

870
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: and a little bit after the game too. But what

871
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: was cool about being there in the stadium for the

872
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: game was being with a bunch of Alabama fans and

873
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: they had won a bunch of national championships prior, and

874
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: they were kind of crapping on their team. They were

875
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: openly admitting, like, Georgia deserves to win this, We're just

876
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: not doing it. We're just not running the ball well,

877
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: we're not playing good defense. We threw a terrible interception there. Like,

878
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: I really grew some respect for Alabama fans, at least

879
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: the ones that were in Indianapolis that night. But they

880
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: were up Alabama, and then Georgia came back and won,

881
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: and it was the greatest sports memory I have had

882
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: since the New York Mets won the World Series in

883
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. For me, Yeah, I'm telling you way

884
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: too much information here, I know, but I just wanted

885
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: to tie in a little Indianapolis memory for me because

886
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: I know a lot of listeners are in that area,

887
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: and also predicting that you Indiana Hoosiers fans, if you

888
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: wind up playing Georgia in the National Championship, which I

889
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: bet you if you were betting on sports, that matchup

890
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: probably has the best odds. I'm going to go ahead

891
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: and say, if I find myself at that game, I

892
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 2: might be in Alabama's shoes and be like, ah, man,

893
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: you know what, Georgia. It's just not because I yelled

894
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: at the screen this year when Georgia lost to Alabama

895
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: the first time, then they beat him in the second band.

896
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: And if they wind up losing to the Indiana Hoosiers,

897
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be because Indiana's better, obviously, and they

898
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: have a better day, a better Monday night, And you know,

899
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it. Indiana has a couple

900
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: of games to win before they get there, but they

901
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: have a really good shot at winning, and I hope

902
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: if it's not the Georgia Bulldogs winning a third National

903
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: championship in what five or six years, my second favorite

904
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: team I want to win will be Indiana. All right,

905
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: but let's talk about Minnesota now before the rig we're

906
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: talking about this scandal with this crazy, crazy COVID money

907
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: to the tune of one billion dollars being stolen by

908
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: these shysters. CBS News is reporting about the money that

909
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: was spent in the Maldives, money that was supposed to

910
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: feed people, all this COVID money that just you know

911
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: what I was saying before the break. We spend all

912
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: this money in our taxes. We pay a fine if

913
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: we do something wrong, we get penalized. If we do

914
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: something well, like succeed and make money in a year,

915
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: we send it to DC. We send it to our

916
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: state capitals. You think that they're good stores of that money.

917
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: Right when they voted on the floor of the House

918
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: and Senate to give four trillion dollars in tax money

919
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: back to the population of the United States, you thought

920
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: maybe those in charge at the time were being good

921
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: stares of it. Well, apparently not. Tim Walls is the

922
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: governor of Minnesota right now. He's like a JB. Pritzkar.

923
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: I think he's running for a third term, and man,

924
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: that would be great if he got shellacked and thrown

925
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: out of office. You may have remembered him. He was

926
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: the buffoon who was Kamala Harris's running mate. Here was

927
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: his response to listen to the question from the reporter

928
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: about this and then listen to his response. Here we go.

929
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: Do you want to hear more from members of leaders

930
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 4: from the small community to say we need to hold

931
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 4: our we need to look at ourselves, we need to

932
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 4: hold our own Dabers and cowbul to a little bit

933
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 4: daviash that this is docs for community. What do you

934
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 4: want to hear more from a set of to say,

935
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 4: way you see more oversight from look, it's.

936
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 5: Not law abiding citizens. If that were the case, there's

937
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 5: a lot of white men. Should be holding a lot

938
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 5: of white men accountable for the crimes that they have committed.

939
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 5: I think for the community to maybe educate their population,

940
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 5: because I think what you're seeing here is there are

941
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 5: secondary victims in this, that there's dividers inside the community

942
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: that are then victimizing the creutity himself by signing them up.

943
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: Because when we're going to some of these people, they're like,

944
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 5: I had no idea I was in this program. So

945
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 5: I think it's it's asking us then, you know, for

946
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 5: every crime, which of course the majority being committed by

947
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 5: white men, asking us to do more about that. I

948
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 5: think it's crime in general, and I think the biggest

949
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 5: thing on this is is just making sure that we're

950
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 5: educating the population. And again, this is eighty people or

951
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 5: so that have been convicted in this, maybe some more

952
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: in that.

953
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: Out of a bottle. Wow, you thought Kamala Harris was

954
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: the queen of word salads. No, Tim, Tim Wallas is

955
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: given her a run for her money. He goes on,

956
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: here's good number two.

957
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 5: Again, this is eighty eighty people or so that have

958
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 5: been convicted in this, maybe some more in that. Out

959
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 5: of a broader ring. Medicaid broad wall stretch across all

960
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 5: racial demographics, all ethnic groups. So I think it's really

961
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 5: important for us to note each each community's got this

962
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 5: in their own mids. But to blame them and say

963
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 5: that they should have been responsible for stopping it, I

964
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 5: think that's a pretty hard reach. I think we continue

965
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 5: to educate folks about why they shouldn't commit crimes. You

966
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 5: would hope that it's being taught both at home and

967
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 5: at schools and in our society. But no, I think

968
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 5: this idea that the Somali community is to blame for

969
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 5: this because they didn't do more, I think that's how

970
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 5: we got into this, and that's you know again, I

971
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 5: know we're not going to lose the whole plot here,

972
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 5: all this work that's being done. Donald Trump brought this

973
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 5: to the attention like this is something brand new. It

974
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 5: is not brand new, it's been being worked on, but

975
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: he made it white hot and very dangerous.

976
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: You can you can almost hear and smell the smoke,

977
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, as his brain is working coming out of

978
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: his ears. Wait, he's like, wait, I've talked too long

979
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: and I haven't mentioned Donald Trump. Donald Trump must be

980
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: somehow responsible for this. This was funds, by the way,

981
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: sent directly to the states, and then the governors were

982
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: in charge of this money. Remember how fast it all

983
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 2: went out. Those of you older than four years old

984
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: listening to this, how fast that money went out? And

985
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean this was This is the kind of stuff

986
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: that went on in war zones where you have, you know,

987
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars on pallets sent to Afghanistan

988
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: or Iraq and then it's just given off in US

989
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: dollars to the villages there, like hey, guys, uh, here,

990
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: do with it what you want. That that happened all

991
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: over the blaze, totally unencumbered, totally unwatched, totally not kept

992
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: track of when you send your money to the state

993
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: capitol and to Washington, d C. Don't you think that

994
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: the people in charge of it are being good stewards

995
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: of it? But they rush this money out from DC.

996
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: Trusted the individual states to be good stewards of it

997
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: and they weren't. And Tim Walls in Minnesota, who I mean,

998
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: he's being invested. He could get in serious trouble for

999
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, and I hope he does. But

1000
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: if he doesn't, if he doesn't lose the governor's mansion

1001
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, I don't even know if they have imagined

1002
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: they If he doesn't lose his political career over this

1003
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: at the very minimum, if not face legal consequences for this,

1004
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: what is to stop this kind of thing from happening again?

1005
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: It will happen again, and and then what are we

1006
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: left with. What we're left with is we have to

1007
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: make sure people like that don't get in power. We

1008
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: have to keep people like Tim Walls and Kamala Harris

1009
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: and JB. Pritzker away from power. They're at the very

1010
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: least incompetent and barely literate, and at the worst they're

1011
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: smart as can be, but have really, really terrible intentions

1012
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: with what they want to do with the money. Let

1013
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 2: themone the power that they're given. The best way to

1014
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: make sure people like that don't have power is to

1015
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 2: elect Republicans, and then when Republicans get power, they have

1016
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,440
Speaker 2: to actually do something with it and not give Democrats

1017
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: more power. Ahem. Talking about the senators in Indianapolis yesterday,

1018
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: we'll we're at back on the Republican senators. We'll be

1019
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 2: right back on Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge

1020
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 2: in for Tony. Stay with us. I can through the

1021
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: setup we have here. Literally kind of hear that music,

1022
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: that bumper music and I can't. I can't. I'm pretty

1023
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: good at the name that too, that one I don't know.

1024
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge

1025
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 2: in for Tony.

1026
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1027
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 2: We've got a lot coming up in our number three

1028
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: of the show today in clue ding how Trump changed

1029
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: America and who are the top eight Democrats looking to

1030
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: unseat a Republican in the White House in twenty twenty eight.

1031
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: Who do we think they are. We're gonna go through

1032
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: each one of them in our number two, but you know,

1033
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,919
Speaker 2: just sticking on this terrible decision that Indiana senators made yesterday.

1034
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 2: Jade Vance, the Vice President, even tweeted about this or

1035
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: posted about this on X, said Rod Bray, the Senate

1036
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: leader in Indiana, has consistently told us he would not

1037
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: fight redistricting while simultaneously whipping his members against it. That

1038
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 2: level of dishonesty cannot be rewarded, and the Indiana GOP

1039
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: needs to choose a side and then someone else. On X,

1040
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 2: Christian hines, why are Republican lawmakers in Indiana such stone

1041
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: cold losers of all the hills to die on for

1042
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 2: the sake of principle? You're going to choose handing your

1043
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: enemies two free congressional seats. And then Jennifer Van Laar posted.

1044
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: I maintained that Republicans in most extremely red states like

1045
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: Indiana are soft because they've never had to truly battle

1046
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: or feel the fear. Those of us living behind the

1047
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: blue curtain have felt. They don't see the opposition. Clearly,

1048
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 2: I concur as somebody who lives behind the blue curtain

1049
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: of Illinois, it's not good here. It is really, really terrible,

1050
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: and we're the We're the almost a diametric opposite to

1051
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 2: Indiana as far as who our elected leader that you know,

1052
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: the power level. We have a super minority in Illinois.

1053
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, we're in the super minority in Illinois

1054
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: in the House, in the Senate, meaning we can't even

1055
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: like stop or filibuster or you know some According to

1056
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: the only Constitution, laws need to go have a you know,

1057
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: super majority to pass. Well, the Democrats have so much

1058
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: power that they can you know, lose a couple of

1059
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: votes from Democrats and still be able to pass even

1060
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: the most extreme sort of legislation. Our property taxes here

1061
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: are insane. It's just the worst governed state in the country.

1062
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: And Indiana you haven't really good anyway. Well, we're at

1063
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: back Iro number two twenty guts today to stay with us.

1064
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: Lie from ball Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Yes it is. I am not Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Coolidge's fellow, the K K O L

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Speaker 1: I Dge.

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Speaker 2: And you're listening to Tony Katz today on this last

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Speaker 2: day of the week also known as Friday. And this

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Speaker 2: is our number three. And I got to say, we

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Speaker 2: have been we've been making this happen. This has been

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Speaker 2: a team effort. The great flagship station of Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: today happens to be in the great city of Indianapolis, WIBC.

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Speaker 2: They have some brand spanking new equipment that they're testing

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Speaker 2: out here and new studio stuff and leveling up to

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Speaker 2: make you the listener, a better quality product for the

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Speaker 2: rest of twenty twenty five and going into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: And you know, anytime you pull something out of the

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Speaker 2: box and pug it in and set it up, you

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Speaker 2: know it doesn't always go perfectly. So we've been I've

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Speaker 2: been proud. This has been a fun challenge because I'm

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Speaker 2: an older radio pro here have been through many different

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Speaker 2: evolutions and iterations of radio equipment and microphive. It's not

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Speaker 2: as easy as it sounds people, especially when you are

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Speaker 2: hosting a radio show in another state at a studio.

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Speaker 2: Mine happens to be in my home, but I happen

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Speaker 2: to have some great radio equipment from my previous radio

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Speaker 2: show that I still use, a great R twenty microphone

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Speaker 2: and speaking into night H five n zoom that's going

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Speaker 2: through a secret device. I'm not going to say anymore.

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Speaker 2: And now we're connecting. It does have to do with

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Speaker 2: the internet, I'll tell you that. But we've not been

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Speaker 2: able to have any guests on show today, nor have

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Speaker 2: we been able to take any calls because of the setups.

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Speaker 2: So you've been treated only to yours truly's melodious, beautiful

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Speaker 2: voice and occasional clips we play here. But I, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, cannot hear anything on my end. I

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Speaker 2: don't even have headphones on. I'm just talking into the mic,

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Speaker 2: and I'm getting thumbs up from landing back in Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: saying Yep, things are good to go, and we are

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Speaker 2: powering through this for you and the person sitting in

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Speaker 2: your car next to you, if you're driving here. So

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Speaker 2: we've talked at length about the terrible, terrible decision that

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Speaker 2: many Indiana Republican senators made yesterday to not vote on

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Speaker 2: the new maps, which the Court's already said, yes, if

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Speaker 2: you pass them, it's good to go. The governor already said, yep,

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Speaker 2: I'll sign them, good to go. Democrats have been drawing

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Speaker 2: out Republicans from maps for decades in countless states, every

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Speaker 2: New England state, every I don't think there's ever been

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Speaker 2: a Republican elected in Hawaii. We have Delaware, I know

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Speaker 2: tiny state, but there's Republicans there. New Mexico. No Republicans

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Speaker 2: in DC, but there's Republicans there. And even in a

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Speaker 2: state like Illinois where I live, where the number of

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Speaker 2: Republicans here is anywhere from forty three to forty six percent,

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Speaker 2: it's not that minimum. There's forty three percent Republicans here,

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Speaker 2: up to forty six percent. And you know how much

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Speaker 2: of the population is represented in Washington, d C. By

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Speaker 2: Republican congressman sixteen and a half percent. That's it. That's travesty,

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Speaker 2: that's unfair, as they say, But you know, all's fair

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Speaker 2: in love and war, right. Democrats know that they draw

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Speaker 2: maps to benefit them in every state they have power in.

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Speaker 2: Republicans know that. That's how they got to match it.

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Speaker 2: They did it in Tech, they're doing it in a

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Speaker 2: couple of other states. In Indiana, it's all good to go.

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Speaker 2: All they needed, all y'all needed. I say that as

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Speaker 2: I say I say y'all as a man married to

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Speaker 2: a Southerner and somebody who frequently goes to central and

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Speaker 2: southern Illinois, where y'all is a normal expression there, y'all

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Speaker 2: in Indiana, Illinois. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Indiana senators, particularly,

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Speaker 2: you screwed the pooch on this one. This is hopefully

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Speaker 2: fingers crossed, not going to come back to haunt us

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Speaker 2: in the midterms. If the Democrats win the House of

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Speaker 2: Representatives by one or two seats, which is a possibility.

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Speaker 2: If that's the case, we're going to look at yesterday

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Speaker 2: as a catastrophe that could have been avoided. Now. You know,

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Speaker 2: in radio, it's almost like some people considered radio, especially

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Speaker 2: like a news stations, like a newspaper, an audio version

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Speaker 2: of a newspaper. You talk about the news, you move

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Speaker 2: on to other things. But talk shows like Tony Kantz

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Speaker 2: Today and my previous radio show, The Michael Coolidge Show,

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Speaker 2: you know, and as you listen to us in the

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Speaker 2: very beginning, we talked about my love, appreciation and admiration

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Speaker 2: for Rush Wimbaw, my entire life, the king of radio

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Speaker 2: of all time, of talk radio specifically, it's about a

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Speaker 2: lot more than talking about the news. It's talking about

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Speaker 2: where we are as a country right now, where we

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Speaker 2: are as a state. If you're in a state, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're on a talk show in a state. Where we

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Speaker 2: are is a community, if you're a hyperlocal city show,

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Speaker 2: Let's say I think it's important to point out where

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Speaker 2: we are as a country right now and where we

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Speaker 2: could go. I don't need to point it out, Waters

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Speaker 2: and l Wanger in Real Clear History, Real Clear Politics

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Speaker 2: is my go to main page that I go to

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Speaker 2: pretty much the first thing I look at every single morning,

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Speaker 2: whether I'm doing a radio show or not. It's Real

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Speaker 2: Clear Politics. It's awesome links to a bunch of different

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Speaker 2: news stories and commentary, both on the left and the

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Speaker 2: right perspective. They've been doing it for decades. They're just

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Speaker 2: off the charts. Awesome. Tom Bevan, who happens to live

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Speaker 2: in Illinois, runs it, and I know other people do too,

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Speaker 2: but he's one of the co founders. Anyway. John Waters

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Speaker 2: and Adam Ellwanger wrote the following, and it's so good

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Speaker 2: How Trump changed America in Realclearhistory dot com, which is

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Speaker 2: part of Real Clear Politics. Since the terrorist attack on

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Speaker 2: the World Trade Center towers, many have designated September eleventh,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, as the true close of the

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Speaker 2: twentieth century. That event indeed changed many things in the

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Speaker 2: United States and in the world. It was a sign

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Speaker 2: that the American led global order established after World War

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Speaker 2: two had become fragile and hollowed out out. But in

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Speaker 2: the decades that followed, our leaders clung to the pieties

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Speaker 2: and perspectives of the pre nine to eleven period, applying

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Speaker 2: obsolete solutions in a new era with much different problems.

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Speaker 2: In retrospect, Donald Trump's twenty fifteen presidential campaign was the

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Speaker 2: true start of the twenty first century. He was the

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Speaker 2: first political figure to offer a coherent account of where

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Speaker 2: America had gone wrong, and the first to propose a

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Speaker 2: genuinely different prescription for fixing the rot in our institutions.

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Speaker 2: More than that, though, he restored national pride to the

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Speaker 2: center of politics. Approximately eighty percent of Americans said they

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Speaker 2: were proud of their country in January of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: By the mid twenty twenties, only sixty percent of Americans

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Speaker 2: said they were proud of their country January twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry tw two thousand and one. That's key. And

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Speaker 2: remember that's before September eleventh. The patriotism after September eleventh

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Speaker 2: was off the charts high. It was probably like in

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Speaker 2: the low nineties, But in January of two thousand and one,

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of Americans said they were proud of their country.

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Speaker 2: Now it's at sixty percent, with younger Americans being significantly

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Speaker 2: less proud than their baby boom in Silent Generation elders.

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Speaker 2: We cannot blame the precipitous decline solely on political polarization.

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Speaker 2: Many Americans across the political spectrum believe both parties have

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Speaker 2: failed to act in the best interests of the nation

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Speaker 2: and its citizens. Hem Indiana Republican Senator shooted in vote

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Speaker 2: for the Map yesterday. On foreign policy, Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 2: share the blame. President Bush launched a global war on

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Speaker 2: Muslim terrorists, which failed to achieve its stated objectives and

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Speaker 2: gave rhetorical ammunition to our opponents. President Obama expanded Bush's

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Speaker 2: war through covert action, all the while traveling to Cairo, Strausbourg, Hiroshima,

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Speaker 2: and other international destinations to apologize for American power. Remember

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Speaker 2: the bowing and the American apology tour Leading from behind

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Speaker 2: Obama I do. Months before his messy and embarrassing withdrawal

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Speaker 2: from Afghanistan, President Biden declared in June of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one that domestic violent extremism, specifically white supremacists and so

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Speaker 2: called anti government groups was the most urgent terrorist threat

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Speaker 2: to the United States. Obama once ridiculed working class Americans

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Speaker 2: as bitter and backwards, bitter clingers hanging to their clinging

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Speaker 2: to their guns. Remember that Hillary Clinton dismissed them as

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Speaker 2: a basket of deplorables, but Biden made the attacks the

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Speaker 2: cent piece of his agenda. Democrats have systematically undermined national

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Speaker 2: identity for decades. Rather than acknowledging the people, events, and

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Speaker 2: ideas that contributed to the formation and improvement of our country,

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Speaker 2: Obama and Biden presented tales of racism, discrimination, and inequality

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Speaker 2: as the defining features of the American character. Indeed, Obama

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Speaker 2: once referred to slavery as the country's original sin. This

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Speaker 2: metaphor was not accidental. Original sin can never be erased

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Speaker 2: or xpated. This meant that America was irredeemable. As national leaders,

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Speaker 2: Obama and Biden taught American history in aberration, using a

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Speaker 2: narrow identity politic to demonstrate that America had wandered away

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Speaker 2: from its founding principles and that only collective action the

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Speaker 2: federal government could write this wrong. Both presidents used these

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Speaker 2: narratives to instantiate diversity criteria into federal hiring practices and

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Speaker 2: domestic policy, which atomized the fractured unity of the American people.

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Speaker 2: The ancient Greeks had a concept called thumos, a word

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Speaker 2: that is best translated into English as spiritedness, which means

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Speaker 2: something closer to pride or self respect when applied to politics.

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Speaker 2: Since America won the Civil War, elites of both parties

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Speaker 2: carried out a long series of policy decisions that worked

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Speaker 2: to kill our sense of self respect. Republican politicians unwittingly

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Speaker 2: undermined the United States thumos. They made people poorer by

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Speaker 2: gutting the manufacturing sector in pursuit of corporate profit, and

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Speaker 2: they pushed us into unwinnable wars with enormous human, economic,

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Speaker 2: and reputational damage. The Democrats, however, deliberately attacked the nation's thumos,

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Speaker 2: openly mocking regular Americans, denigrating our culture and history, and

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Speaker 2: implementing a system that put newcomers and illegal immigrants ahead

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Speaker 2: of citizens. By twenty twenty, this dual attack on American

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Speaker 2: pride had reduced regular people to a state of hopelessness

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Speaker 2: or worse, self disdain. But people don't want to feel

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Speaker 2: that way. The strongest retained a flickering sense of pride

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Speaker 2: that awaited someone to stoke the fading embers into a

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Speaker 2: fire of ambition, hope, and self respect. And more than

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Speaker 2: anyone else, that person was Donald Trump. He returned the

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Speaker 2: nations faltering thumos and reminded Americans that they have much

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Speaker 2: to be proud of. Trump were kindled enthusiasm for Americanism,

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Speaker 2: both as a feeling of patriotism and a conviction in

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Speaker 2: our culture, customs, and history. He uses words and imagery

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Speaker 2: to spotlight examples of historic greatness to which any American

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Speaker 2: of any race, sex, class, or religion can aspire. Trump

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Speaker 2: said in his second inaugural address on twenty twenty, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, Our country was forged and built by the

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Speaker 2: generations of patriots who gave everything they had for our

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Speaker 2: rights and our freedom. They were farmers and soldiers, cowboys

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Speaker 2: and factory workers, steel workers and coal miners, police officers

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Speaker 2: and pioneers who pushed onward, marched forward, and let no

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Speaker 2: obstacle defeat their spirit were their pride. Where his predecessors

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Speaker 2: fixated on abstract issues like global terrorism, Trump is strategically

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Speaker 2: focused on america'sities. I have no vision for Europe Trump

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Speaker 2: said on December ninth, twenty twenty five, just a couple

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Speaker 2: of days ago, I have a vision for the United

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Speaker 2: States America. First, this year, Trump redit the fire in

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Speaker 2: the hearts of the American people. He restored their hope

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Speaker 2: that the future can and will be better. In achieving

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Speaker 2: this monumental feat, Trump gave birth to the new century.

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Speaker 2: John Waters and Adam Elwanger in Real Clear History dot com,

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Speaker 2: this is Tony Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge in

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Speaker 2: for Tony. Will be right back. We're back on Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge in for Tony Cats.

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Speaker 2: And before the break we were talking about how Trump

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Speaker 2: changed America. This piece by Waters and Elwanger and Real

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Speaker 2: Clear History and their point in a nutshell is that

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Speaker 2: this century really kind of started in the Trump era,

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Speaker 2: which started in twenty fifteen. It's funny. John Nolty, friend

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Speaker 2: of mine, also an old radio friend, who is an

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01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 2: early bright bart guy, and his ex handles hilarious. He

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01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: found a big journalism this old website and his oastsla

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Speaker 2: on acts are just hilarious. And he was a conservative

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Speaker 2: film critic for years. Anyway, he mentioned how culture from

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Speaker 2: two thousand till about twenty till the COVID era really

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01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: seemed to not really advance all that much. You know,

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01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: like even if you watch shows like Friends in the

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: mid and late nineties, the clothes that they're wearing, with

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: a couple of exceptions obvious, see, don't seem that weird.

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Speaker 2: Even the hairstyles that they're wearing don't seem like that dated. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But like, for instance, the eighties is way different than

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Speaker 2: the seventies, which was way different than the sixties, which

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Speaker 2: was way different than the fifties. Two thousand and five,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, twenty fifteen, sixteen, even twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: not a whole lot of difference. Like I feel like

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Speaker 2: John brought this up, and I agreed with him that,

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Speaker 2: you know, culture itself has kind of not really gone

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Speaker 2: that forward, and it was it was in a stagnant

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Speaker 2: era until Donald Trump came on the national political scene.

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Speaker 2: He of course was already a huge deal in the

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Speaker 2: entertainment world on The Apprentice, and he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: on Oprah Winfrey in the eighties and he was a major, major, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he helped start the usfl all the casinos. I mean,

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01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 2: he was on TV all the time, with stuff. Even

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Speaker 2: before The Apprentice, he was famous for being rich and

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01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 2: losing his money and then gaining it all back, and

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01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: then losing it and then gaining it all back. I mean,

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01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 2: he was quite an American icon before he even got

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01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 2: in to politics. And I happened to interview him twice

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01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: on this radio show. Once once in twenty twelve when

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01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 2: he was stumping for Mitt Romney, if you can believe it,

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01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 2: during the primary, and the second time when he was

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01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 2: running for president in twenty sixteen. And I was a

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01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: huge fan of The Apprentice and watched every episode. My

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01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 2: wife and I were when we were dating. We would

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01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: watch that all the time. So I was very familiar

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,879
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, and I liked him as a person

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01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: and as a just you know, celebrity before he got

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01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: into politics. But I was skeptical of him when he ran,

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01:29:54,160 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: mainly because I'm a lifelong conservative Republican. He he's not

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01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: a lifelong conservative Republican or he wasn't, you know, he

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01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: just wasn't like he said in the nineties, he was

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01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: a Democrat. At one point he said he was pro choice.

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01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: He wasn't very He didn't have a big kind of

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01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 2: track record of being like pro gun rights and so

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01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: those kind of things gave me hesitation when he said

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01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 2: he was running for president in twenty sixteen. I didn't

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01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: get on the you know, Trump train immediately. I was

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01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: a Marco Rubio guy who actually turned out to be

1324
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: a really great politician and now maybe one of the

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01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: best definitely the best secretary of State we've had in

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01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: my lifetime, to be sure. And he's only been Secretary

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01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: of State for a year, not even a year anyway,

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01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: I digress Donald Trump. What he did by entering politics,

1329
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 2: as these guys point out, changed the country, not just

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01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 2: by getting elected, but changed history. And this Trump era

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01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: is going to be looked back on in history. It's

1332
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: like a fifth teen year period. He's going to be

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01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: president all the way till twenty twenty eight, of course,

1334
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 2: and he's probably going to be around for the first

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01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: couple of years of whoever comes after him, Right, He's

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01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: still going to be a name and a figure. And

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01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: like former President Trump and no other president could say

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01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 2: that Obama doesn't have influence on our culture anymore. George

1339
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Bush certainly does not, Bill Clinton sure doesn't. But Trump has,

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01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 2: and especially because of the way that his terms were

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01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 2: spread out anyway, we have more after this on twenty

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Speaker 2: Cats Today. I am Mike Coolidge to stay with us.

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01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 2: We're back on Tony Katz Today. I could vaguely, vaguely

1344
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: hear that bumper music of working for the weekend, and

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01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 2: my wife and I always argue over that song. I

1346
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: always say that working for the weekend means like, Hey,

1347
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 2: do you want to hang out tonight? Nope, Sorry, I'm

1348
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 2: working for the weekend. Can't do it. I'm busy. What

1349
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: do you mean, Yeah, I'm working for the weekend. She's like, no,

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01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 2: it means working for the weekend is like, yeah, we're

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01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: getting ready to go out for the weekend. We're working

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01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 2: to get to the weekend. I think she's probably right,

1353
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 2: but I think it's funnier to be pessimistic about it. Sorry,

1354
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm working for the weekend. I can't hang out. So

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01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: we talked before about where we are in history right now. Yeah,

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01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 2: we tackle big things on Tony Katz Today with fill

1357
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: in host for Today Mike Coolidge and Donald Trump. And

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01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: we're in the Trump era and it is going to

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01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 2: be at a minimum of fifteen years and then at

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01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: some point there's going to be somebody after him. And

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01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 2: my money is on a JD. Vance Marco Rubio ticket

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01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: the two of them. I think that that is much

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01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: like if I were a betting man, which i am,

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01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 2: I would say that it's going to be the University

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01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: of Georgia versus the Indiana Hoosiers in the College Football

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01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: National Championship in twenty twenty six. I think that the

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Speaker 2: matchup on the Republican I'm sorry, on the presidential race

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01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty eight is going to be jd Vance

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Speaker 2: and Marco Rubio on the Republican ticket, almost for certain,

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Speaker 2: I think. But who is going to be on the

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Speaker 2: Democrat side That is a huge question mark, huge question mark.

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Speaker 2: But I do have to say this before we get

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Speaker 2: into who that is going to be. I got to

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01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: tell this quick story about when I joined the Trump train.

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01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: When it's fifty when twenty fifteen was going on, I

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01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: was on the radio with the Michael Coogan Show, and

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01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 2: we had this tradition where I would have a Christmas

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01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 2: party every year, and then sometimes I would have a

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01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 2: summer party too, so you know, it's like a listener

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01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,759
Speaker 2: appreciation thing with the listeners would come out and again,

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01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,799
Speaker 2: this is one of the things I love about radio.

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01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 2: I know Tony has done similar things and connects with

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01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 2: you in person sometimes, which is awesome. If you've had

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01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: a chance to meet Tony in person, it's like you've

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01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,560
Speaker 2: you because you listened to a show all the time. No,

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01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm like a friend, right, You're like, hey, it's so

1387
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 2: Tony Katson. He might not know you at all, but

1388
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: you know him. It's a weird dynamic, right. What was

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01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 2: the same with me and my listeners. My listeners knew

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Speaker 2: me because I listened to the show every day, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't know them. And why I loved having these

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01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: listener you know, listener appreciation parties. Anyway. So it's a

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01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: summer of twenty fifteen and the Republican field is starting

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01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: to form for the election of twenty twenty six, and

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01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:36,480
Speaker 2: Trump's already running, and me, mister smarty pants political junkie,

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Speaker 2: as wagging my finger at my listeners, saying Donald Trump,

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01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 2: he's super smart. He's a great, you know, entertainer and

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Speaker 2: a businessman. I watched all the episodes of The Apprentice.

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01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 2: I like how he makes decisions about things. I've interviewed him.

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01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 2: He's awesome, but I'm not convinced he's going to be

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01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 2: a conservative Republican in the presidency. So, and you know,

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01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: I think he's doing this maybe for you know, entertainment reasons.

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01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't think he's actually running. And so at the

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Speaker 2: listener party, it was in Rochelle, Illinois, beautiful summer day.

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01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I remember one particular listener she grabbed me by the

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01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 2: shoulders and kind of shook them in a sweet way.

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01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: She's like, Mike, you don't understand Trump is for real.

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01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 2: And she had a Trump shirt on already. It's in

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01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. She's like, Trump is for real. He gets

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01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: us better than any of these other candidates do. He

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01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 2: gets what needs to happen in this country. He gets Americanism.

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01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,919
Speaker 2: He is not in anyone's pocket. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

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Speaker 2: He's not part of the establishment in any way, shape

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01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 2: or form. That's in assets. We love him. We're not

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01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,719
Speaker 2: leaving the Trump train. And that was the first time

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Speaker 2: that I was educated, not the first time I was

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Speaker 2: educated by my listeners, but that was the strongest time

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Speaker 2: I was ever educated by my listers on something saying

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01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 2: I was certain that I was smarter about the political

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Speaker 2: world of twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen than they were I'd

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Speaker 2: follow this stuff every day, I talk about it on

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01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 2: the radio. No, they corrected me, and they were right.

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Speaker 2: And then the second time where I really again was

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Speaker 2: educated by Trump supporters when I wasn't one hundred percent

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01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: on the Trump train yet, was just a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks after that. It was the debate of twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: the famous debate with all the candidates on stage, and

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01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 2: Trump made the comment about Rosie O'Donnell and then made

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01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 2: the comment about Megan Kelly afterwards, and the you know,

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Speaker 2: from wherever comment fill in the first part of that,

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01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to say on the radio. They of

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01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 2: course had since you know, shook hands and their allies

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01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: now and they're awesome. But that was a really controversial thing.

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01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: He said something that was some people thought it was sexist,

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01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: and you know, at the time in twenty fifteen, people

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01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 2: thought that Trump was playing by all the political rules.

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01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 2: Oh you say something controversially, you're out, your career is over,

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01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 2: it's done. And so I think it was Eric Erickson

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01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 2: in Georgia. I was at an event that Red State

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01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 2: dot Org was running there and a lot of the

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01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 2: candidates were there. This is in Atlanta, and then Trump

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 2: was going to come to the party afterwards, and at

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01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 2: that time, Eric Erickson like basically said, no, he's off

1444
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 2: the Trump train because of the whole Meghan Kelly controversy

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01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 2: at the time. So he quit on him right there,

1446
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 2: and it was really controversial because people were expecting Trump

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01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 2: to be at the event later that night or the

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01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: next day whatever. And remember before we went to the

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01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: event that we're busted is going to the College Football

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01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, which happens to be in Atlanta, and

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01:37:55,439 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 2: we are I'm talking with four middle aged women at

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Speaker 2: the bar. None of us are drinking yet. We're on

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01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 2: the way there, but we're just kind of like waiting

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01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: at the bar. It's like late afternoon, and it said,

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01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 2: so what do you think about the Megan Kelly thing

1456
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 2: and that whole controversy, Like, are you guys does that

1457
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 2: bother you? And all four of these middle aged women

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01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:19,560
Speaker 2: were like, no, not at all, are you kidding me?

1459
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 2: And again it was this moment that I vividly remember

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01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 2: where I was being educated by people who understood Trump

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01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 2: politically before I did. They said, he gets it this

1462
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. He's not going to apologize for it,

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01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: and that's awesome. He's proving right now that he is

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01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 2: not controlled by the media. He's not playing the old

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01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 2: game of politics here. He's changing things. We're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: We're one hundred percent on the Trump train. That was

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01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 2: the second time that I realized how serious this whole

1468
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,799
Speaker 2: movement was. And by that point it wasn't about Trump anymore.

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01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 2: It was about what he and how people felt about him.

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Speaker 2: Was about the people. And I remember that came to

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Speaker 2: fruition at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio the

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Speaker 2: next year, which I was at, and I remember vividly

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01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 2: his speech, his final speech, where he said, you know,

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01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 2: the phrase of Hillary Clinton was I'm with her. I'm

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01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: with her. Remember there were bumper stickers I'm with her.

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01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 2: And he said, what I'm telling you tonight is I'm

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Speaker 2: with you. I'm with you. Sounds so simple, sounds like

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01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 2: a bumper sticker, but it resonated. And here we are

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Speaker 2: ten years later, over ten years later, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about term two of President Donald J. Trump and the

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Speaker 2: person who comes after him. I hope and praise another Republican.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's Jade Vance and Marco Rubio, But who

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Speaker 2: are they? Going to run against and God forbid, if

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Speaker 2: that is the ticket on the Republican side, what if

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Speaker 2: they lose, who might be the next president and vice

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Speaker 2: president of the United States? And if they're a Democrat,

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Speaker 2: who they gonna be. We're going to go through eight

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Speaker 2: names after this on Tony Katz today with the highest

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Speaker 2: likelihood of being the Democrat nominee at least. This is

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Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge in for Tony Katz. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: We are back on Tony Katz today. I am Mike

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Speaker 2: Coolidge in for Tony and you can find me on

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Speaker 2: X at Coolidge koo l I dge Coolidge's belbo the

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Speaker 2: k Go ahead and follow me and ahem for a

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Speaker 2: limited time only, I will follow you back. Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 2: Coolidge koo l I dg e on X. All Right, So,

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Speaker 2: if it's Vance and Rubio at the top of the

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Speaker 2: ticket in twenty twenty eight, who is going to be

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Speaker 2: on the other side. Mark Halprin has a podcast and

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Speaker 2: he's been around the block a long time in DC.

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Speaker 2: He has a list here of eight people in order

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Speaker 2: who he thinks has the best chance of being the

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Speaker 2: Democrat nominee in twenty twenty eight. Let's go through them.

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Speaker 2: Number eight, all right, so this is eight going up

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Speaker 2: to one. Eight Alexandria Acazio Cortes. He says unmatched activist

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Speaker 2: energy and youth appeal for the base, but lands at

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Speaker 2: the bottom due to skepticism from centrists and establishment over electability,

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Speaker 2: polarizing style, big hurdles in general election viability. Alexandria Casio Cortez.

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Speaker 2: She is not extremely smart. She's smarter than Kamala Harris, though,

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Speaker 2: I'll give her that, and that's a very low bar.

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Speaker 2: She's more appealing than Kamala Harris, I'll tell you that

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Speaker 2: right now. That's also a very low bar. She's more

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Speaker 2: likable than Kamala Harris. But she is fringe left. She's

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Speaker 2: a Democrat socialist. I mean, she doesn't shy away from

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Speaker 2: that at all. And she's in the bubble of New

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Speaker 2: York City and in the bubble of the Accella Corridor

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Speaker 2: and has shown zero and I mean zero indications that

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Speaker 2: she is able to moderate any position whatsoever. So I

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Speaker 2: think that she definitely has a shot at getting the nomination.

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Speaker 2: But I think if they start only because you know,

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Speaker 2: her appeal to the leftist base, but as they poll nationally.

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Speaker 2: Her appeal when people start to learn about what she believes,

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Speaker 2: who and things that she said and what she's done.

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Speaker 2: As far as a far lefty socialist that she is,

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Speaker 2: I do not see her being the nominee. Number seven.

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Speaker 2: Wes Moore, current governor of Maryland. Emerging talent with charisma

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Speaker 2: and focus on economic issues, using twenty twenty five election

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Speaker 2: wins to build momentum, but still building donor ties. This

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Speaker 2: guy is legit, or at least I thought he was

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Speaker 2: up until really recently. Because a lot of stuff keeps

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Speaker 2: coming out about this guy that is sketchy. Two particular

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Speaker 2: things come to mind. One, he did serve in the military.

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Speaker 2: He claimed when he was running for office that he

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Speaker 2: had a bronze star. Turned out he didn't have a

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Speaker 2: bronze star. Turned out years later, literally like twenty years

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Speaker 2: after he got out of the military, he convinced his

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Speaker 2: former commanding officer to submit him for a bronzetar. As

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Speaker 2: you can do that. I was in the Army for

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Speaker 2: six years. I actually at one point was an S one,

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Speaker 2: a guy who processed medals up the chain of command

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Speaker 2: and you know the applications for them. So yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can get submitted for a medal even after your way

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Speaker 2: out of the military. I know a guy who received

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Speaker 2: a Congressional Medal of Honor after receiving a silver Star previously.

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Speaker 2: David Bellavia interviewed him to awesome, amazing human being. Wes

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Speaker 2: Moore lied about having a bronze star early on, and

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Speaker 2: then he got one, and then more recently it was

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Speaker 2: out that he went to Oxford, but there's no record

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Speaker 2: of his dissertation, and there's no record there's no record

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Speaker 2: that he went to Oxford. That might he might produce that,

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Speaker 2: and that might turn out to be, you know, not

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Speaker 2: that bad. But those two knocks against him. I think

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Speaker 2: he's one of these guys that embellishes things a bit,

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Speaker 2: a little bit like, oh, I don't know Tim Walls,

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Speaker 2: who's not on this list. Smartly Andy Basheer, governor of Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: rising star with crossover appeal in red States, praise for

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Speaker 2: winning tough races, but needs to scale up national profile

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Speaker 2: and vision. He's legit. Two, he's not that crazy. Lacking

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Speaker 2: a little bit in the charisma department though, Andy Basheer,

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Speaker 2: don't think he has the it factor you need to

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Speaker 2: be president. Wes Moore kind of does AOC kind of

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Speaker 2: does too. I mean, even though she's a far super lefty,

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Speaker 2: but that you know, Andy, butsheer is not going to

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Speaker 2: have five million Instagram or TikTok followers like aoz Is

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Speaker 2: trust me. Gretchen Whittmer, solid Midwest appeal and executive experience,

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Speaker 2: but must prove national viability beyond regional base. Highlighted for

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Speaker 2: leadership and swing states. That's a no. She is only

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Speaker 2: a smidgen more intelligent than Kamala Harris and is not

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Speaker 2: as appealing as people think she might be. Number four,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Kamala Harris remains a contender due to

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Speaker 2: name recognition and fundraising prowess, but faces skepticism from centrists

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Speaker 2: and establishment for past campaign struggles. Ranked mid pack as

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Speaker 2: a potential comeback story. Please Democrats, please renominate her. Number

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Speaker 2: three Pete Buddhaje Edge fits into the shifting field with

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Speaker 2: go anywhere confidence, national experience and ability to connect with moderates.

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Speaker 2: Strong communicator, but needs to build a broader coalition. I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't rule him out, but I think he's overrated. Pee

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Speaker 2: Buddha Judge Number two Josh Shapiro undervalued stock with broad

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Speaker 2: appeal and battleground states. Sets himself apart by focusing on

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Speaker 2: pragmatic governance and understanding Trump voters seeing his real force

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Speaker 2: if he executes well. He is the sharpest tack of

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Speaker 2: these eight and the most serious guy. His problem is

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Speaker 2: he is and this isn't a problem for him personal

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's Jewish and there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism on the Democrat side, so I don't see

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Speaker 2: him getting to the top because of the anti semitism

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Speaker 2: on the Democrats. But he is a really sharp guy

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Speaker 2: for a Democrat and number one Gavin Newsome leads the

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Speaker 2: pack due to strong donor networks, media savvy and proactive

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Speaker 2: efforts to address party weaknesses post twenty twenty four dominates

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Speaker 2: the invisible primary with action, intention and authenticity. He's phony,

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Speaker 2: he's slimy. He could be your next Democrat nominee for president.

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Speaker 2: But I think Vance and Rubio mop the floor with him.

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Speaker 2: That's my prediction. Well, that is going to do it

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Speaker 2: for this hour, this show, and this week of Tony Cats.

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Speaker 2: Today I have been Mike Coolidge in for Tony. Have

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Speaker 2: a wonderful weekend and we'll see you next time.